How is the annhylde aegis
#protection
dark lark
cinder nova
Strong
tardy osprey
📈
blazing condor
Id take the shard ngl even though its not the smartest move
Or maybe it is idk
Its way easier to obtain though than the others
dark lark
Yeah but my other options are pretty underwhelming
tame jasper
Limit mit Prot warrior? ❤️
sweet summit
pala dk
tardy osprey
pala dk
not what I expected, but stoked to see a less common tank pair
#tankbalance ❤️
tardy osprey
3 Ashen Hallows in raid is strong
dark lark
they were running double arms earlier, so no need for protwar in their comp
and 0 dps dk's, so blood dk provides value with amz
tardy osprey
they had a dps dk on Eye of Jailer
dark lark
Oh I must've missed that
tardy osprey
ya they subbed him in after one of the wipes
dark lark
Still, their tank/healer setups give a little bit of insight into their Sylvanas comp
tardy osprey
I am more surprised about the BDK there than Prot Pal
even though Darkee is a DK god
tardy osprey
true
lilac quail
Is this jeweled heart of ezekiel worth using if I already have a 220 neck?
severe sluice
lavish oracle
Mass grip is good this tier plus BDK brings a basically unnerfed AMZ on top of being super tanky in raid
Prot Pala surprises me because I thought tank damage might be high enough this tier to shut them out
tardy osprey
that raid damage on The Nine is nutty
strong forum
7.4%
strong forum
ya its literally free 200 hps
fringe marten
So we can hit 48 renown this week right?
strong forum
ya
fringe marten
that means...it's Owlmans forever right?
strong forum
not offensively
fringe marten
Or it 'seems' so on paper
strong forum
6% shield every 30seconds isnt that amazing
fringe marten
Well if it's a small difference though; then I'd rather the tree with better stuff...but yeah we lose potency conduits I know that.
strong forum
remember, the new conduit is like 4.5% every 10 seconds
fringe marten
How sizable is the difference supposed to be?
strong forum
of what
fringe marten
pelagos/kleia/mik at 48
fringe marten
and yeah that new anima bead conduit is amazing but that's available either way
carmine prawn
Anyone knows how many taunt within x time makes boss go taunt immune?
strong forum
soulbinds are minimal optimisations
sick sentinel
Do you use the auto potion or the aoe knock back? I don't like not being in control of potion use
lavish oracle
Yeah, I use the knock
strong forum
9 times out of 10 you dont use phial anyway
lavish oracle
For the same reason
carmine prawn
3 within 18 seconds
Thank you. My raid got taunt immune on tarragrue last raid... lol
strong forum
and in dungeons where you need the cleanse you just dont play the auto use
lavish oracle
I only use him for dungeons so that checks out
sick sentinel
What's it like when Bron drops down? Can you see the damage it's doing? Is it noticeable? I've never used it
lavish oracle
Bron is bad, his knock back is noticeable but his damage is not 😄
balmy coral
I have 1056 haste, is that enough?
lavish oracle
More Stat is best stat
strong forum
if i changed sockets and enchants i could get to like 1.2k
balmy coral
I also got anima field emitter. Running that with the stone legion trinket. I have 650 vers as well.
copper lion
i have 246 shoulders,246 wrists, and 242 wep from vault, currently i have 226 shoulders, 220 wrists, and 210 wep
what should I upgrade?
strong forum
if you get KSM you can upgrade weapon to 246
balmy coral
Shoulders and wrists are domination slots right?
strong forum
but generally weapon would be the choice
tardy osprey
wep
sick sentinel
weapon
strong forum
head, shoulders, chest, wrists gloves
tardy osprey
strong forum
those 5 slots have dom sockets
blazing condor
did a weekly no leave key
actually goes well and we time it
something isnt right here
strong forum
need to do 2 more keys
fringe marten
Nom is that a hard rule; because absolutely some bosses have taunt DR even during seemingly normal taunt rotations (not too many this tier but it happened with 2)
strong forum
yes its a hard rule
copper lion
can i do a 16 at 220 ilvl
strong forum
yes
fringe marten
Yeah...will be nastier this week due to trash being a lot worse than last week; I hate doing tyrannical keys..I like tanking tyrannical keys =\
copper lion
is a 226 fueled by violence better than a 200 brutal vitality
empty spindle
strong forum
is a 226 fueled by violence better than a 200 brutal vitality
just play the new conduit
copper lion
over what brutal or unnerving focus
tame jasper
those 5 slots have dom sockets
Question about hat: I might have access to Heroic SoD Gear (maybe, not sure) so 239 (?) - but I will get 252 from vault every week due M+. Are the 239 Sockets o much more worth then 252? I can't imagine that, as (at least up to now) Ilvl > all?
strong forum
dom sockets > ilvl
tame jasper
even without any setbonus (as its not active in m+)?
strong forum
yes
tame jasper
😮
lavish oracle
Anyone else get a key 1 level higher than they would have expected this week?
strong forum
they said it would only be lowered by 3
lavish oracle
No, I know, I mean highest I did last week was a 16
and I got a 17 out of my vault
shouldn't it have been a 16?
strong forum
🤷♂️
iron drift
timed 16 = 18 key from vault atm
strong forum
lavish oracle
I timed my 16s though
tame jasper
and I got a 17 out of my vault
maybe blizz fixed it by deplete_key_by(-1) xD
lavish oracle
so that doesn't check out
Yeah, potentially it's counting my 18 from the week before S2 started
and just having it decay 1 level because it was after 9.1
weird
iron drift
ya possible
tardy osprey
and I got a 17 out of my vault
did you have a 17 in your bags at the end of last week?
lavish oracle
yeah
iron drift
i did not
tardy osprey
Idk the formula blizz used, but everyone i spoke to got the same level key from vault they had in their bags
lavish oracle
same key even, 17 PF -> 17 PF out of vault
jagged pier
Idk the formula blizz used, but everyone i spoke to got the same level key from ...
If u time a key u get that lvl in vault if u dont its dropped down by 1
lavish oracle
Yeah, the weird thing is I didn't run a 17 last week
jagged pier
Did u run an 18?
lavish oracle
Nope
jagged pier
Did u open the vault last week?
lavish oracle
Yeah
kindred pine
Is there much difference between a Mag’har orc and a HM Tauren as far as tanking goes? I mean will there be a discernible difference?
jagged pier
I duno then
jagged pier
Is there much difference between a Mag’har orc and a HM Tauren as far as tanking...
Horde races dont matter if u care abot racials u will play vulpera
lavish oracle
🍝
mighty valley
there's definitely some key level bug from vault
tardy osprey
If u time a key u get that lvl in vault if u dont its dropped down by 1
ya that's how it's suppose to work, but not how it played out this week
jagged pier
Fair enough
ruby oar
Hey folks! Im a beginner tank in M+ (exped only as healer on 15-18 range keys) looking to learn more about that role before jumping to higher keys. Are there any advanced video guide you can recommend on how to tank M+?
Im watching the preach 5part one, but that's from 4 years ago ;p
karmic plinth
lament raven
iron drift
hows the kyrian leggo for prot warrior
jagged pier
Not good
ocean yoke
looks pretty booty
jagged pier
Its not
Its barely above rep in damage and u loose all defensive value
It bad
If u want damage u do seimic which is far ahead
ionic fern
You can pvp with it. 
jagged pier
onyx sandal
Anyone done the math to see if Condensed Anima Sphere > Fueled by Violence?
jagged pier
Anima sphere is the 3rd best endurance after unvering and stalwart
onyx sandal
figured but i thought i saw a wowhead guide that had fueled by violence ahead
but i saw wrong, thanks all
abstract forge
Hello guys, it's Grievous a bad thing for us?. I just reroll into prot and i have no idea how to deal with that affix or if it good or bad for us. Any tips or advices?
modern brook
Hello guys, it's Grievous a bad thing for us?. I just reroll into prot and i hav...
greivous is a healer problem
i believe u can purge it with kyrian pot
ionic fern
Not really something that's managed by us as Prot Warriors outside of playing our rotation properly to avoid any unnecessary spikes.
ebon geyser
What power u folks pick in m+
jagged pier
Honestly i pick dependant on dungeon and group
modern brook
i havent seen the tank options yet tbh
jagged pier
They are all pretty lack luster but barbs tbh
ebon geyser
I mean I feel I'm always getting rkt
modern brook
dps ones are p cool so far
ionic fern
What power u folks pick in m+
Only one i care about is the barb one since it actually deals decent damage.
modern brook
plume is really good with how many stupid casters there are across the dungeons
jagged pier
I mean I feel I'm always getting rkt
That has nothing to do with the powers
Powers wont save you from getting rekt that much more down to personal play
ebon geyser
I mean I know but was wondering if powers help
ionic fern
And also the 40% DR for 3s in the beginning of combat is ok
cold zealot
And also the 40% DR for 3s in the beginning of combat is ok
Its is perma 5%vers, which itself is juicy
jagged pier
I mean you might not be tbh alot of ppl say that then we see the logs
ebon geyser
I'm having to kite a lot
jagged pier
That shouldnt be happening
jagged pier
Ither stream to mwahi or post logs
cold zealot
I have made the experience this week, that with a good healer i almost never have to kite but with am mediocre healer kiting is a necessity.
modern brook
that just sounds like you're playing wrong but had a healer willing to dump mana into your health pool
TBH
cold zealot
as long as my sb is up i cant facetank almost anything in 15-17 keys. hpal (kyrian) still pumped 2k ish overall
modern brook
my dream is to stream to mwahi ngl
jagged pier
Do it 👀
modern brook
nah i gotta work on my brand
jagged pier
🤔
tardy burrow
So this is my issue, I got a 249 wirsts from the vault (currently wearing 216, 239 shield (currently wearing 226) and a 226 helm from the raid with a domination socket(currently wearing 229 helm) I think I should go with the helm, although the other pieces are way higher item lvl and also I only do heroic raids so is not like I will get anything higher from raiding other that 226
muted arch
used 165 IPs, wondering if i over did IP
jagged pier
Yes
modern brook
So this is my issue, I got a 249 wirsts from the vault (currently wearing 216, 2...
so the only reason im not snap telling you to take the shield
is cause idr the ilvls for Hraid and i know 1st boss drops it
jagged pier
Shield 100%
jagged pier
Its the biggest upgrade
cold zealot
239 shield is heroic ilvl shield
jagged pier
And helm is dom socket anyway no?
modern brook
then yeah take the shield
jagged pier
So u want a dom socket one
modern brook
if Heroic ilvl is > 239 i think theres a real strong case for the wrists instead
cold zealot
sylvanas does have a higher ilvl one though but shield should be the best upgrade ehre
modern brook
but if its the same, then just go with the free shield
ionic fern
is 5k dps decent in mists 17 this week
It's okay,jeah. :)
modern brook
then shield no question
cold zealot
wrist is nice but you want that domsocket there
modern brook
most important slot by a mile
cold zealot
most important slot by a mile
this
muted arch
It's okay,jeah. :)
whats considered good
jagged pier
6k
muted arch
kk so less IP
cold zealot
6k with repisal?
jagged pier
And that was before 9.1
muted arch
i run reprisal yes
tardy burrow
the wrists are 249 and I have 216 currently the shield is a crit ver 239 shield and I have a 226 crit/mast(from taza vesh)
muted arch
night fae tho
modern brook
the wrists are 249 and I have 216 currently the shield is a crit ver 239 shield...
cool, take the shield :^)
ionic fern
It's good. :) 5k + is what you should be aiming for. All depends on the pulls/dungeons/pull duration etc.
modern brook
unless the 33 ilvls of wrist comes with a dom socket and some block stat, the 13 ilvls of shield is better
muted arch
pulls lasted a lil while so i had to kite a bit
cold zealot
5k is what i would consider fine, 6k seems rather high to me...
guess i gotta git gud
ionic fern
I still get some dungeons where i'm doing like 4.5k cause all the pulls take forever due to pug dps.
buoyant pasture
I got a 252 chest from m+ and 226 domination socket from raid in my vault 😦 feels bad to pick up the chest knowing I won't replace it
unique sky
How does threat work with prot warriors, like the mechanics if it, I am not finding it anywhere.
Do some abilities cause more threat then others or does the prot spec just add like a % extra threat to any damage?
tardy burrow
noted
dark lark
I got in my vault
-239 Shard of Annhylde
-252 heavy crit vers neck
-252 heavy vers mast ring
(3rd 252 was halls tank trinket bleh). Heroic Nine is easily killed by my guild, but the other two jewelery options are underwhelming. Any thoughts on what to take?
modern brook
How does threat work with prot warriors, like the mechanics if it, I am not find...
Threat is just damage
dont over think it
to answer you completely i believe heroic throw has a threat multiplier
so it generates more than it deals
tardy osprey
I got in my vault
-239 Shard of Annhylde
-252 heavy crit vers neck
-252 heavy ve...
Shard of Annhylde's Aegis is dope
especially in M+
unique sky
Ahh, so as prot spec you get more threat per damage than other specs of warrior and non tank classes? So threat is not just simply who does the most dps.
modern brook
Ahh, so as prot spec you get more threat per damage than other specs of warrior ...
So all damage (and healing) generates "threat" roughly equal to the amount of damage/healing done
muted arch
shoulda done the 10 lol
buoyant pasture
26 ilvl upgrade on a chest piece feels more worth it than a domination socket
modern brook
Tank specs have a multiplier to that
I think its like 5 or something at this point
Its changed a million times
unique sky
Tank specs have a multiplier to that
Thank you sir! 🙂
buoyant pasture
How accurate does raidbots sim the domination sockets?
ionic fern
How does threat work with prot warriors, like the mechanics if it, I am not find...
The multiplier Bullfango mentioned is usually baked into the class aura.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=137048/protection-warrior
cold zealot
What is your opinion on the Titanic Ocular Gland (the trinket that gives haste while over 50% but tankes it away while under).
I checked some of my m+ logs (15-17 range) and on average i drop below 50% maybe three times/run.
I would prefer Old Warrior soul for sure but meanwhile?
Yay or nay?
modern brook
How accurate does raidbots sim the domination sockets?
unless im misunderstanding your question the margin of error is usually noted in the column on the right of your sim
buoyant pasture
I was just curious because I got 226 raid chest in loot and heavy vers/crit 252 chest to decide between
modern brook
What is your opinion on the Titanic Ocular Gland (the trinket that gives haste w...
it really depends on he content. This sort of effect was seen in bfa season 2 w/ the azerite trait that raised mainstat. The bonus is that its a fatty stat stick, the negative is that you are the guy most likely to be being punched
I wouldnt run it unless i had no other option
dark lark
Shard of Annhylde's Aegis is dope
Just feels bad taking a heroic early boss trinket over 252 gear
unique sky
The multiplier Bullfango mentioned is usually baked into the class aura.
https:/...
Is this where the aura modified threat generated? I presume the 450 means 450%?
cold zealot
Other options would be s1 stuff like slg trinket or straight dbs trinkets.
The haste ist just so juicy
modern brook
Is this where the aura modified threat generated? I presume the 450 means 450%?
yeah which is roughly a 5.5x multiplier so i was pretty close
buoyant pasture
My sim is telling me get the 252 chest and I doubt we’ll be 10/10M to replace the chest piece
unique sky
yeah which is roughly a 5.5x multiplier so i was pretty close
You are good :p
modern brook
Other options would be s1 stuff like slg trinket or straight dbs trinkets.
The h...
its really up to you. stats are good. if youre finding you'e not dipping then go for it
if your healer is an absolute degenerate then maybe you cant afford to
cold zealot
i scolded a restoshaman guildy for keeping me around 50% already.
Like dude i got no haste if i am at this "little" haste. I need to spam revenge, gimme my haste
modern brook
its worth noting you technically lose double the amount of secondary stat when you dip below 50
modern brook
i have a hard time recomending it for a tank tbh
cold zealot
i wouldnt recommend it either, if i werent playing warr for like 15 years and know my ins and outs i wouldnt play it either, but with a good healer it might just be worth it
chilly brook
I wouldnt run it unless i had no other option
I would tbh
I'm not usually sitting below 50% and if I am it's not for long
modern brook
its really up to you. stats are good. if youre finding you'e not dipping then go...
Then go for it
chilly brook
Although it's also an encounter by encounter basis
modern brook
it really depends on he content. This sort of effect was seen in bfa season 2 w/...
I agree :)
modern brook
Yarrr
cold zealot
they have to tune/nerf painsmith at some point (multiple times) or else they will have very unhappy playerbase
jagged pier
i mean ive heard its fine with 10 ppl
but the more u get the harder it is
which is always the issue with bosses in flex tbh
cold zealot
so 10 man ist the trick? guess il kick 2/3rds of my raidteam then, brb disbanding guild
i would really like to try it with 10 man... :/
modern brook
Just tun 2-3 separate runs
tardy osprey
just kick all the hunters and make half the healers swap to dps
cold zealot
we barely have another decent tank... how to do 2-3 splits^^
guess we could carry with heal/tank and rotate dps
cold zealot
just kick all the hunters and make half the healers swap to dps
rl is hunter though^^
cold zealot
we are trying to get her to do that^^
but tbh we aint even playing for ce so it is overkill and not fun enough^^
tardy osprey
that Ner'zhul kill was fugly
cold zealot
a kill is a kill^^
graceful cobalt
hey how good is that trinket from Tavaze endboss for Tanks
So'leah's Secret Technique how good is that?
strong forum
its a solid trinket
simple mural
[Soul Cage Fragment] dropped, I'm guessing it's not worth dropping [Anima Field Emitter] or [Blood-Spattered Scale] both at 226?
fierce relic
I see the spreadsheet for reflectable spells, but does anyone have a WA?
simple mural
It's easy enough to go to wowhead and pull the spell id. Like addSpell(350453) -- Piercing Lens
runic drum
Afternoon all, I have a question that seems like an easy answer, but I'm not sure. Should I pick up 226 wrist with a dom socket and increased haste, or a 246 weapon with a haste loss.
sweet summit
^
runic drum
That's what I thought, but I didn't know how important dom sockets would be
fringe marten
UHH
we just helped 2 guildies do the 'hard mode' starter for tazavesh
now we can't reset/start hard mode...why?
simple mural
Need an alt not saved
crystal dirge
it needs to be on a fresh lockout char
simple mural
You just need an alt or other partly member to be lead that's not saved to do a fresh run
haughty sleet
Rank 5 boots 600k 😣
blazing condor
leggo upgrades are bait to do boreghast dont fall for it
havent done torghast since 1st week where i didnt even unlock layer 10
ionic fern
I'm still rocking 190 Wall and 235 Reprisal.
jagged pier
no they can not
north rampart
Yeeees! Was panicking for a sec there
We got any cool cheeses for tazavesh or SoD?
Tricks like reflecting the scythe o the last boss in ToP
muted arch
hows the RWF comparing to CN so far?
leaden basin
doubt its updated for 9.1 with the new content
I added this to the wa "actions" code:
--- Sanctum of Domination ---
addSpell(350803) -- Eye of the Jailer - Piercing Lens
addSpell(350283) -- The Nine - Soulful Blast
addSpell(353603) -- Fatescribe - Diviner's Probe
I think thats all that worthwhile (at least on hc)
tardy osprey
We got any cool cheeses for tazavesh or SoD?
lots of knock backs make for easy reprisal use
not really a cheese, but fun
north rampart
Thanks, i will try to play around that getting 2 or 3 reprisal procs off in a few seconds feels so good
north rampart
I added this to the wa "actions" code:
```
--- Sanctum of Domination ---
addSpel...
Great! Makes is easier knowing what really matters, nathria had some good ones like avoiding spawining an add on inerva darkvein
Well if youre dps 😅
She didnt target tanks that one lol
golden basin
any other week 1 252 scale gang here?
brave jetty
i saw one this morning
jagged pier
i mean scale isnt that good so 🤷
mighty valley
it's still pretty good til we get raid trinkets lol
brave jetty
I hadn't given thought to how much dom gear and sockets spoils M+ vault options
Suddenly we only have about 5-6 slots we ideally want to see vault gear in from the dungeons
strong forum
If at all
jagged pier
it's still pretty good til we get raid trinkets lol
its better in raid than aegis for sure but in m+ aegis it cant compete
mighty valley
i will work harder on manifesting aegis to drop
jagged pier
i get it week 1 on normal easy 
mighty valley
curse you
blazing condor
So for vault do we ever pick items in slots where dom sockets till be?
mighty valley
unless your other options are literal garbage
then you might as well take the temporary ilvl increase
blazing condor
Makes sense ty ty
jagged pier
I mean sure but know u are gunna be dropping then later regardless of ilvl
blazing condor
I realize how poorly read up i am on the new shit
mighty valley
basically the heroic dom socket gear is gonna be better than max ilvl m+ vault stuff
mighty valley
is normal gear still better even when you're not getting set bonuses?
jagged pier
If it has a dom socket woth a fully upgrade gem yer im pretty sure
blazing condor
that sucks
mighty valley
on the one hand i don't like deliberately making number be smaller
on the other hand it's cool that heroic raid drops are actually worth something
jagged pier
I mean i got the 239 chest piece from hc only way i can replace it is with the mythic version of that chest
That slot is dead
Ill get 3 252 chests tomorrow in my vault
Just u watch
strong forum
Worse
blazing condor
strong forum
You'll get a choice between 239 aegis, 252 shield and 252 weapon
strong forum
And a matrix
jagged pier
amber herald
why are those trinkets still in the game
near pewter
So what would be the 2 BiS trinkets for M+?
jagged pier
This is my chest
I pray it will not be 🙏
strong forum
So what would be the 2 BiS trinkets for M+?
Matrix +aegis probably
cinder nova
What is matrix
jagged pier
Is matrix really that good?
cinder nova
Does matrix really pump?
jagged pier
I thought it was kinda meh
cinder nova
Yeah it looks kinda shit tbh
strong forum
Supposedly it pumps
golden basin
I ran DoS like 60 times during 9.0/9.0.5, never saw a scale, first week in 9.1 and I get one in first cache and it's not even that good anymore
strong forum
Good dmg and healing
cold zealot
matrix only proccs every minute for like 5-6k at 226, its kinda useless tbh
cinder nova
Crust, BSS is still strong
jagged pier
Good dmg and healing
Well if i get one ill test i guess
near pewter
my 239 aegis doesnt seem to be absorbing that much more ove rthe course of a dungeon than my 220 scale
jagged pier
Then u arent using aegis correctly or pull to small, like it is legit 5k from every attack aginast u
long bronze
o nelly
strong forum
my 239 aegis doesnt seem to be absorbing that much more ove rthe course of a dun...
Gotta pull bigger 📈
near pewter
Gotta pull bigger 📈
will do
strong forum
Aegis value scales with pull size
jagged pier
Aegis scales with pull size
jagged pier
Like all the trouble pulls in m+ arent anymore with that trinket
jagged pier
True
cinder nova
I do find it hilarious that the trinket from the raid is better for M+ and the trinket from M+ is (sorta) better for raid.
graceful cobalt
should i use So'leah's Secret Technique with 226er ToP Trinket or Scale (220)
cinder nova
Scale. So'leah's trinket is dogshit.
graceful cobalt
yeah even wich i choose i get 100 versa or haste and i find that nod bad
so wich of these 3 i should combine
mighty cairn
if you los the miniboss that pulls you immediately, will it run to you normally?
the new halls miniboss location feels weird af
strong forum
Soleah + scale should be a decent default option
strong forum
if you los the miniboss that pulls you immediately, will it run to you normally?
I think the minibosses don't have social aggro
graceful cobalt
thx @strong forum
strong forum
So you can pull them without chaining, but I'm not certain, haven't done enough keys
brave jetty
They 100% do not have social aggro
it would fuck a lot of routes and dungeons if they did
frank sequoia
yo guys is Slimy Consumptive Organ any good, trying to decide if i should take a 252 vesion
amber herald
nope
frank sequoia
ty
ebon geyser
no NF reeeee
coarse meadow
i jsut leveled a prot warr, the reprisal leggo is crafted on the legs right?
leaden basin
yep
coarse meadow
tyty
mighty valley
the reprisal is stored in the legs
twin cedar
should i prioritize ilvl over stats? IE: i have the 220 gloves with the Dom socket, i have a 246 gloves in t he vault. thanks for the help
quiet crane
@mighty cairn you can taunt him and run behind the wall to move him away from the stoneborn
As long as you’re quick enough he won’t grip you
flat elk
So , what covenant better for M+ and Raid for prot right know? want to know ur opinions
misty timber
As long as you’re quick enough he won’t grip you
Been doing the same with last one in SoA as well. Taunt and leap to los Haven’t got pulled but might be a better way
mellow bridge
Reading the trinket convo above
I did some keys with matrix today (EU so still tyra)
It did a solid ~5% of both my hps and dps in a couple of keys e.g. 18 spires
At 226 ilvl
Seems like a decent choice overall
cinder nova
So , what covenant better for M+ and Raid for prot right know? want to know ur o...
@strong forum
LET'S GOOO
sweet summit
vers amount doesnt really matter
we want higher item level > haste > vers > crit/mastery in that order
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oh
north rampart
What is matrix?
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ya
sweet summit
What is matrix?
tank trinket from guardian of the first ones
north rampart
Thanks try to remember to have from lootspec up incase it drops dont want to miss a biss
brave jetty
do we know the relative value of dom shards and sets?
like, heroic socketed shit will be better than 252 dungeon gear, but what about 226 w/dom socket if I'm not getting it from heroic clears?
nimble laurel
anyone going Mikanikos for high m+ now that we have the shield souldbind?
rich badger
Hi friends, need some advice. I tanked Castle Nathria through 9.0/9.05 as Kyrian in my guild. (we are fairly casual / play what you like kind of group). Leading into 9.1 we rotated and I moved to a DPS role (still on my Warr) as a couple of others wanted to try tanking in 9.1. Happy days. I jumped to Venthyr and capped out my renown. Have been playing Venthyr since. Jump to the new raid and one of our tanks has decided to bail out on raiding. The guild leaders have asked me to jump back into a Tank role. More than happy to, but trying to decide if I'm best off jumping back to Kyrian (and starting renown at 40), or if I just stick with Venthyr? Is the condem damage reduction viable (especially for the last 20% of a fight and you can spam it). Or do i just bite the bullet and go back to the smurfs? Knowing my guild i'll be back to dps once we start clearing the raid and alts want to start tanking.
sweet summit
venthyr is fine, but is obviously not ideal. id take the bullet and go back personally
then just swap again once youre back on dps. swapping isnt bad its just timegated for some reason
cinder nova
Ion hates giving players what they want.
rich badger
Hmm, looks like Kyrian is quite viable for Arms these days anyway, and Arms looked pretty good in the first DPS rankings. So I might look at doing prot / Arms as Kyrian then.
green swift
I asked a friend of mine who plays prot and asked him if he ever feels like theres nothing to do because all abilities are on cooldown and he said its probably because im rage spending too quickly and overlapping abilities
anyone got any input on this? fairly new to warrior and feel like there are times i have nothing to do until waiting for shield slam and thunder clap to come back up with no rage
languid lava
..
mighty cairn
anyone on heroic painsmith notice they changed the trap and spike timing
it's different from what it was last week and the healer timers are weird
slow hatch
this sucks right?
peak patrol
this sucks right?
Definitely sucks for tank coz you’ll be likely sitting below 50% for most burn phases throughout the fight
cinder nova
Damn, I really hope they make more of the mechanics blockable. H Eye feels like shit.
desert solstice
I have a 229 Viscera, 213 Gluttonous Spike, and a 220 SL Heraldry
What is my best setup?
Id say the SL Herald and Viscera
cinder nova
For what? Damage or survival.
desert solstice
In a raid and mythic+ standpoint
potent drum
So I may get ripped for discussing, but I started as a prot warrior in 07. Played tank off and on until mists, totally quit for years. Just leveled a new warrior after unlocking Kul Tiran as fury, and after learning dungeon mechanics I’m trying prot again. I’ve noticed holding agro must not matter anymore? I feel like the old head basketball player using fundamentals and the new school running past me. Anything for an Ol head tank to know to keep up with tanking in today’s modern WoW?
inland silo
aggro definitely matters to an extent
ill pull off aggro all the time in dungeons as dps
tranquil leaf
is into the fray usable in mythic+? is ravager only picked because of regen/dmg?
tranquil leaf
tyvm
unique shale
candid shadow
hello iam trying to understand why am i getting my ass kick by the first 2 packs of DOS on all donjon i have 14% uptime on shield block and 54 ignorepain whats a normal shieldblock uptime ?
sonic tangle
First packs of DOS just suck and group will usually lust and burn. Make sure you are kiting especially if you don't have a soothe, and to spell reflect if casters are still up
Kiting in dungeons has become the thing now, many packs you can't just face tank, especially in DOS
timber slate
this sucks right?
Keep it if you switch dps
silk edge
Can we get 750 valor this week or double because of the increased cap ?
shadow temple
Cap is double
silk edge
Yes but can you earn more then 1500 total this week ? Not sure how it works
shadow temple
1500 total is the cap for this week. It's week 2 and it goes up 750 each week I believe
modern brook
So I may get ripped for discussing, but I started as a prot warrior in 07. Playe...
Tanks generate 5x as much threat
Dps will rip off you in cds if you don't get time / line your cds up with it
Just play and watch more and you'll get caught up
silk edge
1500 total is the cap for this week. It's week 2 and it goes up 750 each week I ...
Ok thx 👍
analog radish
So anybody hit the 11 sec cooldown breakpoint for shield block yet? How much haste do I need for it?
I just tested it, it's at about 38% or 39% haste. Doable with Into the Fray.
tame jasper
@strong forum Lets assume I have a heropic SoD item (but no gems yet) and 252 weapon or shield in the vault, pick the dom item or weapon/shild?
strong forum
Depends on your raiding situation, if you continously clear heroic then you'll get Dom pieces eventually
unkempt fox
I would take the weapon all day if you killed those bosses once with last week gear you will kill them again with more gear for sure
tame jasper
That was I was thinking about too. thanks for your thoughts!
vale fable
Is there a spot or pin that discusses the different dom sockets and conduits now?
visual drift
will this Memory of Nature's Fury worth as leg?
jagged pier
not really its good for damage but u loose rep so its kind of pointless
visual drift
okay
cinder nova
Pretty sure SR is still cleave king atm
MoNF I think is stringer than Signet in ST tho
Right?
drifting forge
Looking at going NF for the 1st time this expac as group needs one funnily enough. Is the knock down associated with Aftershock a reliable interrupt or is it still best to try and weave kicks in between?
cinder nova
It's reliable for longer casts or packs that just spam-cast stuff.
For example, the supplicants in the ZG wing of DOS
I throw AA down on the 2nd-to-last pack and it's pretty good.
After AA fades > Shockwave > Intimidating Shout > group CCs after
drifting forge
Thankyou very much.
cinder nova
It's super useful for consistently hobbling some caster packs, 100%
Also, Seismic on Fatescribe is just...
cinder nova
I wouldn't call cleaving adds padding.
They gotta die anyway, the faster the better.
Not like spiked ball pad
jagged pier
at 40 sec its on par with NF
brittle owl
and more flexible
jagged pier
and 400k seems really low looking at a dungoen i did last night my spear did 700k
cinder nova
300K was the instant damage total. Dot was another 100K
That was a 10 min fatescribe
Revenge was 1.3M
jagged pier
wow that was a shit vault
cinder nova
?
strong forum
I won't get to open my shit vault for another 8.5hrs
cinder nova
I'm having to hold vault until the end of my raid week.
Since I could get H Domination gloves from raid, and if I do, I'm gonna take the 252 belt.
jagged pier
jagged pier
i dont pvp
placid river
I got reactive defense matrix at 226, is it worth it tho?
jagged pier
i mean i just pissed off my whole guild taking the 252 IQD
and i can wear it in raid so 🤷
cinder nova
Enjoy pressing it to restore healer mana kek
strong forum
I'd pick ring cuz haste
cinder nova
☝️
jagged pier
both my rings have more haste
cinder nova
Than a 252? 🤔
strong forum
Well you're not gonna get bigger haste rings
Than dena and inerva
Lmao
The only Ring that has more haste than those is DoS ring
jagged pier
i have the haste vers from taz
jagged pier
yes
crimson furnace
i believeeeee
crimson furnace
yhea
crimson furnace
we are getting 2 at least tonight
strong forum
Until you kill him
crimson furnace
going for 3
crimson furnace
ok
poggers!
that si the plan
can u guys belive this luck?
1st chest
holy fuck!
crimson furnace
gonna hold off then, wait for tonights kill and see if I get shield
strong forum
It's actually so annoying that tarragrue drops a shield
In terms of what to pick from vault
Cuz you never know if you're gonna get it or not
In CN it was easy cuz shield and weapon didn't drop until fuck off late into the raid
But now weapon and shield drop giga early in raid
And because of Dom sockets you don't wanna occupy some slots aswell
The pain of choice is insane from vault now
Literally more a curse than a blessing
strong forum
Nice
amber herald
in another vault
low fossil
Do I take a 242 weapon or a 233 sylvanas trinket? D: I'm ilvl 221
tardy sequoia
Guys weapon or chest?
cinder nova
Weapon if you wanna pump, chest otherwise.
jagged pier
u know u can printscreen right?
tardy sequoia
Yeah I’m just lazy atm
cinder nova
kek
cinder nova
I'd go with weapon, because you're gonna replace your chest with a Domination piece eventually, even if it is lower ilvl.
A 246 weapon is gonna get replaced by either a 252 M+ weapon or a mythic SoD one
bold bolt
🤔
cinder nova
IQD is literal memery
tardy sequoia
Thanks
cinder nova
You can at least pour valor into the boots to make them not shit
IQD is forever shit
low fossil
How good is sylvanas haste trinket? Should I take it at 233 over a 242 weapon?
bold bolt
You can at least pour valor into the boots to make them not shit
i see thank you
cinder nova
Just PUG N Sylv if you're really interested in getting one.
She's not even hard, tbh.
Then again OWS is gonna be the new DFV with everyone hunting for one kek
strong forum
242 is the safer pick, ows is a good trinket, but weapon is more important
edgy belfry
afaik, every single spec in game is eligible to loot IQD
pine phoenix
So.. vault question: 252 ring with crit and mastery or 249 helm with prismatic socket haste mastery? (I do raid heroic/mythic so id lose out on domination helm)
strong forum
Eww
That's some shit options
Idk bro, depends on how likely you can get a Dom helmet
edgy belfry
dont take the ring imo
strong forum
Vault is beyond hard to figure out
If you take the ring you can trade other rings
If you take helmet you have a helmet until you get a Dom Helmet
That's the 2 choices
edgy belfry
fair point
pine phoenix
Yeah that’s exactly the problem I’m facing
woven bear
The shield is only a 3 ilvl upgrade, so I guess the neck besides it having bad secondaries?
obsidian mica
Guys, Domination Socket Item Ilvl 239 (10 Ilvl Upgrade) or Chest 252 (22 Ilvl Upgrade)?
flat pewter
thoughts on this trinket compared to Phial of Purification and Anima-Charged Winds [both 229]?
strong forum
The shield is only a 3 ilvl upgrade, so I guess the neck besides it having bad s...
The neck isn't better
All of your options suck
strong forum
thoughts on this trinket compared to Phial of Purification and Anima-Charged Win...
Phial is literally 30x better
And so is decanter probably
Just sim it tbh
humble ferry
Is crit or mastery better for high keys?
strong forum
Uuh... Both are the same
Crit is more dmg and gives you parry
Mastery gives you higher chance on crit blocks
turbid cargo
finite thicket
I need a decision to make between two trinkets. 252ilvl Slimy Organ or ilvl 233 Decanter that I could upgrade later. What would you guys choose?
strong forum
Neither
Slimy organ is dogshit
And 233 decanter is just bad ilvl
But decanter if you literally have nothing else
finite thicket
242 ilvl Chest
finite thicket
yep
finite thicket
well f me then 😛
finite thicket
I'll go with decanter, i can upgrade it later on if i need to
strong forum
Waste of valor
Don't use valour outside of literally the best items
Like phial, shield if need be, or a scale if need be
finite thicket
Well if i get a phial someday... never dropped (lootspec was on dps)
jolly cipher
252 wep, 239 domination head or 252 decanter?
finite thicket
I would've picked the wep
jolly cipher
Is decanter a sim trap?
finite thicket
I think its the 3rd/4th best offensive trinket u can use. there are better ones. There is also a new one from sylvanas that looks great
strong forum
My 226 decanter does like 150 dps
jolly cipher
So i guess the best option to pick is the weapon
brittle owl
unless the trinket is aegis
heavy wolf
Dom slot >
jolly cipher
Thanks guys
plain hornet
🙏
tawdry dirge
how good are those new conduits compared to the other ones
i did see some of the US race to worldfirst ppl did pick em
tiny orchid
i got a choice of stoneheart - crit vers ring with like 70 vers and head haster vers ... went with head w.e at least i will wear it for some time
mental scarab
Do the dom socket bonuses work in dungeon?
tiny orchid
bonuses dont work only gem individually
mental scarab
Okej so for a m+ player 252 pice is better the Hc dom socket gear
cinder nova
Hot take, shield lost value this tier because there's less major blockable mechanics bosses do compared to last tier.
Still stronkest pick for survival up tho
burnt stump
Do I take the slimy organ or the shoulders pls help
tawdry dirge
oO whhy not bloodscale?
finite thicket
lol yea scale for sure
wide pilot
He trolls lol
burnt stump
And 18.4k damage to 5
strong forum
how good are those new conduits compared to the other ones
Mediocre
3rd and 4th choice for us
tawdry dirge
even if it is higher ilvl then UF
strong forum
If you're gonna kill tarragrue anytime soon on mythic, don't pick anything for now
Otherwise the shield
Tarra drops shield
And that helmet is superseded by a Dom socket helmet, but still an insane helmet tbh
willow hearth
i got 0 domination items right now - so maybe the helmet till the moment i got the domination item?
smoky wave
Expecting this question to come up a lot. How much ilvl is a dom socket worth?
We're plebbing our way through normal SoD (just done painsmith) with a single clear then going hc so sockets at decent ilvl will be hard to come by. can choose a 226 (no ilvl upgrade) chest or 246 (+20ilvl)boots. I think it's the dom socket, right? (no decent shards yet).
strong forum
Shield is the most important item
strong forum
Expecting this question to come up a lot. How much ilvl is a dom socket worth?
...
Don't pick normal raid loot from vault
That's a waste
smoky wave
Don't pick normal raid loot from vault
ok, ta. I was basing my assumption on being able to get boots elsewhere but sockets harder to get, but I guess Ilvl is the better option for now.
smoky wave
shield.
strong forum
ok, ta. I was basing my assumption on being able to get boots elsewhere but sock...
It's just so easy to clear normal
So you will get a Dom piece soon enough
smoky wave
It's just so easy to clear normal
😓 Painsmith was painful. I think we'll manage the rest ok but dunno on sylvanus.
strong forum
Oh you didn't clear normal?
smoky wave
no, we're plebs. we raid once or twice a week, all have loads of other commitments, and having to carry some people cos we've too many healers.
strong forum
Hm
reef needle
legitimate tough time here, high-vers ring and high-crit waist. but my trinkets are still 200 so prob taking scale, any ideas here?
leaden basin
236 scale is farmable. depends how much M+ youre planning to do I guess
smoky wave
Hm
yeah, hence the ask. slamming M+ is easy, can likely do 15s no bother, but the raid is harder
strong forum
Ya that ring is juicier
sweet kayak
Blood Scale ye? 🙂
sweet kayak
Hehe :p
So yesterday I had no electricity to do the last Mythic 15 to open the last slot, had to use power generator to play lel 😛 otherwise I would get it really low ilvl 🙂
wide pilot
So how low ilvl are we going for dom gear? If my priority is m+. Will normal gear beat 249 or 252. Will heroic?
reef needle
i thought the set bonus is what makes the sockets good? and they dont work in m+ afaik, only within raid, maw and torghast
mellow bridge
The sockets themselves work outside the raid and are still very very good
flat pewter
Is there any solid resource available for prot (or general tank) in regards to dungeons/keys? Like "it's best to position this pack in this way" or boss positioning etc. etc.
wide pilot
Sort of worried about m+ this tier honestly. tons of ppl were doing 15s day 1 in 220 gear lol
spring holly
@flat pewter tank notes can help with abilities and dratnos gives good basic routes for dungeons
as for exact positioning of mobs, that can change a little and is 1. learned through experience and 2. mostly pretty obvious
oh and 3. if you miss any obvious positioning don't worry pugs will yell at you 🤣
native coyote
or 3.5 the pug will manage to mess it up even more
wide pilot
@flat pewter trial and error buddy
spring holly
if you're scared of making a mistake, don't worry, every player does whether or not they want to admit it. And you're the tank so whatever.
flat pewter
gotcha ^^ I'll definetly read thorugh tanknotes web for even a quick understanding what's happening and what does what and then improve via practice 😄
wide pilot
My favorite pugs are the ones that nuke the crap out of mobs when you’re gathering a big pull up an complain they pulled aggro
flat pewter
yeah that's sth I'm struggling with a lot
or if there's a boss fight were additional stuff spawns (say 2nd boss in HoA)
strong forum
So how low ilvl are we going for dom gear? If my priority is m+. Will normal gea...
Dom sockets are worth 20+ilvl
flat pewter
I completely have no idea how to approach gathering them together
strong forum
Sort of worried about m+ this tier honestly. tons of ppl were doing 15s day 1 in...
People are already doing 22s
hollow sun
I actually have been lucky so far in the new patch. I had a mage leaving cause no one interrupted the flame lieutenant ( he had Cs available btw) but other than that it went pretty good
strong forum
We're gonna see 30s easily this tier
wide pilot
Yea I was watching a pally do a 21 hoa was pretty nuts
strong forum
What removing pride does for one huh?
Such a dogshit affix
Coupled with the dungeon nerfs
thorny yew
someone build and tried the new kyr legendary already or do we still play reprisal?
dense gate
jagged pier
mik
crystal nexus
is it a good idea to recraft reprisal on boots if you get 252 legs out of your weeklychest with haste/mastery? -.- im a little on the lost side at the moment... (Tank in raid, DD in m+)
strong forum
It's your money
And your soulash
In the long run it's a bad idea
Short term, sure if you want to
warped moth
if a boss has no blockable abilities, that means shield block is "useless" against it other than the additional shield slam damage it provides right?
crystal nexus
12k soulash in stock and more then enough money for 24k boots. The problem i have is that every other item in the cheest is on a domination sockle slot xD
strong forum
Boots or legs both don't have Dom sockets
crystal nexus
thats why i was thinking about that. And on the plus side i can craft haste/versa boots. something that does not exist 😛
mellow bridge
if a boss has no blockable abilities, that means shield block is "useless" again...
You can still block their whitehits which is a majority of the dmg intake usually
wise rivet
is it even worth taking this trinket?
current trinkets are both 226 and back is 220
rotund parcel
anyone know what the icd of decanter of endless howlings 2nd proc is?
warped moth
You can still block their whitehits which is a majority of the dmg intake usuall...
but on a boss like Eye of the Jailer, there's no white hits other than the add right?
quiet mica
hello stupid question, is there any wa for ashen, wild spirits, earthquake so you can see when they are down?
on the ground
mellow bridge
but on a boss like Eye of the Jailer, there's no white hits other than the add r...
uh, I believe that is true actually, yeah
primal cape
what my boys using as trinkets except scale ?
livid finch
is reprisal still on legs in 9.1 ?
strong forum
Yes
livid finch
thanks
kind matrix
so final desicion is reprisal to legs now?
strong forum
Always has been the better long term option
tawdry dirge
when is it that mikanos is pulling ahead?
sweet summit
57 or whenever it sims higher
strong forum
Our potency conduits suck
tawdry dirge
kinda does ye,.. the kyrian one is nice thought
austere cave
are there any sims comparing the shard 3 sets raw dps whise?
sleek echo
is new kyrian legendary competitive with reprisal?
strong forum
Dps is the only thing you consider with the shards to begin with
strong forum
is new kyrian legendary competitive with reprisal?
Not even remotely
elfin nova
If you wanted a damage one for easy aoe content seismic is better
austere cave
@strong forum ye sure but I would like to compare the different sets in different situations ^^
elfin nova
You can sim it for your character on raidbots
But raid is the only (relevant) content where the set bonus works anyway so you basically just pick the one that is best on st
sick sentinel
How's other peoples luck been with shard drops? 9 boss kills so far and no shards yet.
violet tundra
I have 30 speed. So that was a great win.
sick sentinel
Do we know if they drop from LFR?
haughty sleet
I have 6-7 shards
sick sentinel
I have 30 speed. So that was a great win.
😆
main wasp
has anyone been able to test out of the Blood Link domination shard set is AOE or ST?
heady pollen
Guys, is anyone progressing or actually killed sylvanas heroic? I was on her last night and I was having some tough issues, she hits really really really hard compared to any boss I've ever tanked
strong forum
Maybe throw a log, or compare it to some others that have killed it
From the logs im looking at, the ehrps and dtps isn't all that high
She's also horrendously bugged and badly tuned so keep that in mind btw
Iike, extremely bugged
heady pollen
I cant really show logs, but I spent some time looking into them, the other tank wasn't taunting fast enough, so I was getting to 6 stacks constantly, the dmg of banshees mark was way above most logs I've seen
strong forum
There ya go :^)
heady pollen
One question tho, I'm slightly new to Warrior, i've been using banner on my boomkins with intervenne and stuff, however, I can't feel like I'm kneecapping myself damage wise by using it, was watching logs yesterday, I did 67 log which is quite low, but in terms of necrolords I was 2nd, this is.. frustrating, is it really worth it?
I'm not sure how to feel about the banner, I have kyrian ready, and i'm thinking about doing the full switch more and more
nimble laurel
Reactive Retrofitting from Mikanikos did about 14% of my healing in a TOP key
nimble laurel
One question tho, I'm slightly new to Warrior, i've been using banner on my boom...
what kind of content? raid or m+? Spear of Bastion is usually around 10-15% of my overall damage in m+
strong forum
One question tho, I'm slightly new to Warrior, i've been using banner on my boom...
Necrolord is really awful dps output for yourself
Like 300dps+ behind just by being necrolord
strong forum
Your raid gains like 300 overall dps in the best case scenario
By you playing necrolord
It turns into 600-900 dps when you play glory legendary
Glory makes you catch up to other covenants yourself, and you buff 1 more person, but you lose survivability
heady pollen
I was reading the pins about the banner use, and yeah, even with glory the "raid dps" will be depend on my mates cooldowns, and I'll always have to play around them and have perfect position, it feels like a lot of hassle to be fair 😄
strong forum
Yup
It's dogshit to play around
For very little gain
That's why hardly anyone plays it
wise rivet
can someone give me a hand on this?
i pretty much only play m+ rn and both current trinkets are 226 & back is 220
wise rivet
oki thank you
heady pollen
yeah hook hits like a truck
low fossil
as a necrolord prot warr should I use glory in dungeons? I like how I can buff the whole group and make insane burst windows but im a bit afraid of not having the SB uptipe to survive well enough
blazing condor
Nah reprisal is almost mandatory in dgs
But you definitely could run Glory and do at least 15s
But still
sick sentinel
Reprisal should be baseline
timber jasper
ring with 13 ilvl more than my best even if it hast mast/crit. yes or no?
strong forum
no
timber jasper
thought so
jagged granite
Shadowcore or sharpen weapond? 😄
strong forum
makes little to no difference
shadowcore works together with phantom fire potion and its better on ST
sharpen weapon is better in aoe
with like 10 dps difference
wide pilot
how does the uptime of shield block differ so much from warcraft logs and details
one is saying i had 60% uptime and one is saying 47%
wide pilot
so if there is that big of a dif in my sb uptime i imagine there would be a decent dif in my CPMs
wide pilot
if it lowered my uptime id imagine it would lower my cpm
wide pilot
its adding more time
strong forum
thats not what im asking
im asking, compared to what would it lower your CPM
details doesnt show CPM
wide pilot
dont have anything to compare it to
wide pilot
ok so its reading lower than it should be
depending on how much downtime you had the run it could change drastically
strong forum
if you wipe alot yes
you will have lower cpm COMPARED to when you dont wipe or fight raid boss
wide pilot
idk maybe im just trying to find excuses for me sucking so bad LOL some runs i feel super tanking and feel like i smashed the crap out of SS and it shows a low-mid cpm. ive yet to hit the 10-12 range and ive been focusing the crap out of it.
strong forum
my SD yesterday
🤷♂️
82% blocked hits, pog
havent played keys in 4 months, still got it
strong forum
wide pilot
are you using last stand on CD with the unnerving focus conduit or do u save it for specific packs