It's an independant buff
#protection
low beacon
So i could potentially give our tank at guardian 6 second DR without getting hit by the group soak
because were trying to let him solo it
strong forum
So you can buff someone with safeguard, then piss off
low beacon
alright
strong forum
And they will keep safeguard
Guardian can no longer be entirely solo tanked
You could on ptr
low beacon
yeah were just trying to reduce group damage by letting a tank soak one hit solo
with a couple stacked DRs as we saw darkee do it for limit 3 days ago
probably used wall, reflect and fleshcraft for it
strong forum
Well yeah, normal/heroic
pale jasper
how many haste is the cap for warrior proteccion? (m+ kyrian)
blazing condor
39%
proud shoal
hello, any have the weakaura when u use spell reflection say Reflectkion
jagged pier
@strong forum we gaming
sweet summit
thats hot
jagged pier
cinder nova
I don't have to imagine 
Although the one shard I did get does a lot of healing via absorb, so a T5 Kyr isn't the worst.
cinder nova
That's why I set up a deal with the local crafting whale.
He's doing it my mats, but he's getting a 15K front-loaded
mellow bridge
is reactive defens ematrix good for m+?
modern brook
can someone explain legendary crafting
Legendaries come in scaling ilvls. the only difference between ranks is the passive stats. the actual affects of the legendary are at full efficacy from rank 1+
ebon geyser
ohh i know
modern brook
so assuming rank 4 is still like, 9.0.x rank 4, then yeah thats probably worth it just cause soul ash is farmable now
ebon geyser
but is it worth it to make a rank 4 when next week u can make 5 and 6
modern brook
You can upgrade them at no additional cost (aside from SCALPING GOLD)
w/ just the higher ilvl base item
but you cant switch the stats on them cause god for fucking bid blizzard makes a game without stupid stipulations
ebon geyser
what u mean upgrade them? dont i need soulash to go from 4 to 6
modern brook
Yes
Well
no
Soul cinders i think it is
but the same idea
So if you have r4 reprisal
and have want r5 reprisal
You need the r5 base item, the cinders required, and a r4 reprisal
but the total cost (in ash/cinders) for upgrading is the same as if you built it froms cratch
ebon geyser
what about the soul ash
modern brook
Soul ash is just season 1 Cinders, to my knowledge
just another currency to make this harder for you
modern brook
yup
but he base items are expensive rn on the auction house at least
legs are like 800k on my server
:/
I'm not progressing rn, so i probably wont buy them until the prices deflate like 80% in a month
native coyote
but you won't have enough soul cinders this week for an rank 5 upgrade anyway?
ebon geyser
ohh i dont even have the gold for the base piece LOL
modern brook
but you won't have enough soul cinders this week for an rank 5 upgrade anyway?
you should
p sure its only 1100
and if you did all the shit since 9.1 release you'd be at ~750 ish
native coyote
yep, I have 740
modern brook
yeah
so tomrrow/wednesday
your torghast opens
thats 200+
+150 from torment and cov assaults
native coyote
and ~400k gold on my server
modern brook
i think layer 10 is 110 each, and i believe layer 11 opens
but even w/o layer 11
220 from layer 10s and the 150 from the cov assualts and torments would put you at 1110
so yeah
r5s tomorrow should be doable
ebon geyser
i have 690 SC
modern brook
if layer 11 is >+20 soul cinders, you're also set
i think i have like 500 lol
I'm sort of assuming the cov assualts/torments are a weekly source of cinders
I actually dont know
but they have been so
native coyote
yes, they are (and will be) from the war chest thingy
modern brook
Yeah it looks like next week you ca get 450 from Torghast and assault/torments
meaning if you currently have >650 sc you can afford your r5 legendary, even if the new campaign quest doesnt reward any
ebon geyser
140k for 249 pants
modern brook
249 were 800k on my server yesterday:(
sweet summit
rank 5 is hard bait
ebon geyser
i mean im sure they will go up tommorow
modern brook
i mean im sure they will go up tommorow
Yeah but they'll go do a lot in a few weeks
I'm with erga
R5 is a hard bait
modern brook
yes thats possible
and also likely the most economical from a gold perspective
but assuming resource is a non issue
You should upgrade when your leggo stops being a valuable piece
ie: the only benefit a 6 has over a 4 is more stats. if you're like 220 overall, a 235 leg is still fat no matter what
when you're pusing 240 overall, your 235 legs are holding you back, ya know?
Also worth noting: Theres literally 0 reason not to upgrade immediately, if price is not a concern
its a straight upgrade
but if gold prices are a concern, holding for the market to un-hype is not going to kill you
timber slate
is there a reason why IP isnt showing in my WA when i switch to arms?
timber slate
ill try to look into it
timber slate
its useful af when tanking, i can see how much IP i have
timber slate
oh really?
modern brook
its gunna get burned through quickly anyways
and IP isnt really worth casting for uptime
timber slate
rip
modern brook
its nice to know its up
but ive never made a decision based on having 20k left on ip, you know
timber slate
having SB up makes it useless then?
modern brook
Your rage spending should pretty much be maintaining shield block whenever its blocking something ->revenge-> IP if the pulls spicy / you're about to rage cap
shadow temple
Using reprisal in m+ (say SD), what sort of uptime on SB should you be aiming for?
distant crystal
just look for blocked melees in the 80-90% range
SB uptime isn't a super useful metric
80-90% is an educated guess from other logs i've seen posted, ymmv, void where prohibited
timber slate
what you guys think of adaptive armor fragment?
modern brook
80-90% is an educated guess from other logs i've seen posted, ymmv, void where p...
80-90 s a good benchmark for blocked hit % w/ reprisal
I'll vouch it
eager iron
Throw it in.
modern brook
what you guys think of adaptive armor fragment?
is that the endurance conduit?
timber slate
potency
timber slate
gives 3% strength when healed
sweet summit
true
timber slate
this is what i have
sweet summit
stop using brutal bitality π
both stalwart and unnerving are countless times better
the anima sphere is a good 3rd option
but still worse than the other two i mentioned
timber slate
kek
modern brook
do this instead
ionic maple
Anyone have that image/flowchart that shows how dmg filters through reductions, absorbs etc?
modern brook
only 1 potency?
we only have 1 good potency
every potency we have to take is a bad thing
Phial of paitence is also high key the best part of pelagos' tree
and that says something
cuase hes got a stacked tree
You could take safegaurd instead of IP for your finesse
most people just prefer ip cause they misread it
timber slate
im out of energy 
sweet summit
unnerving is our 2nd best potency conduit dont @ me
modern brook
modern brook
π§
every now and again erga shows the difference between me, the smartest brown, and the yellow of storm forged
iron drift
sinful or celestial for raiding, id imagine celestial for m+ again
modern brook
Id say celestial but idr think it matters
ionic maple
Nobody has that beautiful dmg flowchart? π
modern brook
Nobody has that beautiful dmg flowchart? π
All DR mutlipliers are applied simultaneously as far as i know
spring holly
I heard mikanos got hotfixed, is he still the better dmg option?
modern brook
im p sure it goes raw damage -> DR ->block->absorb shields
ionic maple
About a year ago someone here posted a flowchart showing how dmg filters through, like shield block and shield wall affect before absorbs like IP
modern brook
i can draw it for you
ionic maple
So you get the most out of shields if you use a mitigation beforehand
lilac bloom
any info on how to upgrade stalwart guardian to 226
strong forum
drops from m+, no?
strong forum
then i guess you can buy conduit upgrades from korthia soon tm
and from adamant vaults in torghast
modern brook
tav and rare mobs seem like best options
ionic maple
So 1000 raw, SW makes it 500, SB+armor (85% reduction) leaves 75, then IP blocks half, so 37.5?
modern brook
armor is in DR
strong forum
not additive
modern brook
Block applies after all DR
lilac bloom
well that will set me back for a while
ionic maple
So 50% armor and SW means 25% gets through to the others?
strong forum
3 equal signs, that means its 3times as true
modern brook
it was uspposed to be 2 but i hit it too many times
strong forum
whatever comes out at the end, ignore pain halfs it aslong as IP is bigger than 50% of the hit
ionic fern
State of Protection Warrior hosted by MarcelianOnline. Thoughts and ideas with @strong forum @patent osprey and myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xPD4TW8fs
modern brook
smh i wasnt even contacted π
strong forum
shut up, rogue
modern brook
wasnt invited to that one either :9
strong forum
unlugg
strong forum
β€οΈ
short kiln
Very valuable insights as expected.
It's no secret that I'm a shameless Plka simp, but more importantly both Nom and Mwahi have been not only accessible but receptive to all requests for help in here. I'm a part of a number of tank discords and this one is by far the best place to be.
So thank you all for your help and guidance. Keep on doing what you're doing. We're all better for it.
modern brook
no problem scotty π
strong forum
patent osprey
modern brook
speaking of valuable insights: any one do the adamant vaults? what is it and is it owrth my tower points
short kiln
It's a good source of conduit upgrades and cosmetics
And the floors are genuinely unique compared to the rest of the tower
strong forum
can give unique cosmetics
hollow sun
theoretically conduits could drop in there, but i haven't saw any so far. The there are like mogs to buy, and like 20 tower knowledge
strong forum
can also drop sockets
hollow sun
those are just urban legends
strong forum
and you get tower knowledge ye
hollow sun
short kiln
Yeah it's worth it since you're leading your groups to 5 stars anyway right?
strong forum
groups?
short kiln
Lol
strong forum
y'all doing this in groups?
short kiln
I never solo torghast
strong forum
ive never done it in a group
short kiln
It's way more fun in a group imo
short kiln
Yup
It feels like a mythic minus dungeon in a group
Which is fun with the right groups
hollow sun
the ammount of time required to clear the vaults is pretty small. If nothing useful like conduits and sockets drops in my next run i won't run them anymore
short kiln
Should run a mono tank comp for TG just for kicks. Tanks in TG are easily the rarest resource for groups to find
Lol
Two wings, 35 mins all in. EZ claps. No wait times
distant crystal
idk with the way things scaled mobs might be 1shotty with a 5 tank group
short kiln
Only if it scales for each character of type instead of just presence of type
But I hear you. Might be chaos
strong forum
Just get an rsham to boost you
hollow sun
or monk
strong forum
They're disgustingly overpowered
short kiln
Nom is right.
short kiln
Yup
strong forum
They do 120k+ dps St
strong forum
Imagine having good anime powers...
short kiln
Right?
strong forum
What do we get? Oh revenge does 40% more dmg during berserker rage...
short kiln
I rolled ele sham for DPS this season and it feels ridiculous in TG and M+
short kiln
It is cool when you get the shouts to deal 150% more DPS though
But that's some solid commitment
short kiln
Oh yeah. Getting a build together for us is rough
strong forum
So frustrating
short kiln
Where like DK and Rsham and Priests are silly. So are warlocks in there btw
strong forum
Now I just run as fury... Just spam WW and pick survivability powers
Cuz you ain't fucking gonna get dmg powers lmao
short kiln
Hahahahahaha
reef needle
is guardian normal bugged? we seem to be getting waaay more damage from the sentries than usual, simply ticking to death around 50% boss hp every single time and, comparing to other logs from today, getting almost double the damage from the sentry fire with up to 500k per person halfway into the fight
for reference our log if anyone wants to look into it: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C1hJLyVRwgcjX9dD#fight=46&type=damage-done
reef needle
well, we pull the boss into it once his energy is zero and normally play them by draining them completely and then moving out once it explodes
strong forum
You're supposed to break the pillars after he's done 2 waves
reef needle
yeah fair, but that doesnt influence any of the sentry damage though, right?
strong forum
Idk that would be my guess cuz look
This how the dmg taken from the sentries looks like on another normal kill
This is yours
reef needle
Yeah i know what you mean, thats my fuckup^^ but as far as I know the sentry damage is completely independent from the pillars, right?
strong forum
I'm not very familiar with the fights as I just yoloed through it
leaden basin
purging protocall kills the sentries
shut summit
u hafta let purging go off
leaden basin
so if you dont let it go off, they dont die lol
strong forum
Yeah so it what I assumed
leaden basin
last line
strong forum
You have to let an aoe go off
reef needle
I feel incredibly dumb now but at least we only wasted 3-4 tries, thanks for the help everyone xD
supple lily
can i post some logs here for tearing me apart?
supple lily
from this pull onwards (i used the wall before)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AMVkmWgnbRwX2Ghd#fight=24&type=summary
just want general idea of where i'm failing at spec, what can be better
since it is (unwanted) reroll
strong forum
Unwanted? Wat, it's a game, play what you want, not what you have to.
The log is private BTW
I'd rather quit the game than be forced to play smth I don't want to play
modern brook
Honestly
strong forum
And you're automatically gonna perform worse
modern brook
If you're simultaneously in discord asking about class viability and at risk of being dropped from your guild for playing a certain class
spring holly
also not saying prot warrior is weak in anyway but jesus is there anything about prot warrior that would warrant a necessary re roll?
modern brook
Just leave the guild they're not worth your time
supple lily
hm, can't remember them being private, guess they changed them
strong forum
also not saying prot warrior is weak in anyway but jesus is there anything about...
Nothing warrants a reroll
supple lily
reason being we have almost 0 warriors so guess they don't want to stick with that one dps to have a buff
strong forum
Outside of not enjoying the spec
So why are you biting the bullet if you don't want to
Seems kinda dumb
oak lotus
When the point is to have fun
spring holly
well whatever decimation is 60 and playing his prot warrior let's not pile on the regert lol
lavish oracle
I'm also like 90% sure Limits gonna run a warrior in RWF
supple lily
dgmw, i love warrior, but not it raid
oak lotus
warr is good this raid
supple lily
not arguing, just don't like raiding on war in general
keys is another beast
strong forum
Can't comment much on logs, so have to pile on the "unwanted" reroll 
supple lily
strong forum
Ima throw some generic tips
- press more buttons (Ss/tc/spear)
- keep SB uptime
- use your CDs
- don't overuse IP, it's not our main mitigation
supple lily
i can tell that i have around 85% blocked hits, average 45 cpm and around 20-50 rage wasted on every pull p much
i know there are more to this, but are those numbers okay?
supple lily
on painsmith?
supple lily
see, that's a war main thinking π
urban portal
Clap, intervene, heroic leap
All viable
Maybe even shield block if you have extra rage
chilly brook
reason being we have almost 0 warriors so guess they don't want to stick with th...
Fury is goated this patch they're inting if they're making you play prot over just recruiting a warrior lol
strong forum
Arms owns
sweet summit
strong forum
Unironically
chilly brook
fury sucks on the relevant boss tho π€‘
Gotta get past pain boi first kekw
Fr tho
Not recruiting a warrior dps is weird
lavish oracle
I like fury better because it's smoothbrain
I don't want any ugly wrinkles in my brain
sweet summit
Mood
cinder nova
Korayn on Painsmith for the proc pads
empty spindle
So
Legit question here why are shield upgrades so important. What makes it stand out. I hear people in here say that a shield upgrade takes priority over everything else. Whatβs so definite about it exactly ?
cinder nova
Isn't BV just a flat reduction ?
sweet summit
Booming voice?
cinder nova
Block value
sweet summit
No
Its a % dr depending on how much block value you have and what content and/or difficulty youre doing
Theres K value and a formula and shit if you wanna math it out yourself
How much DR u get from block
cinder nova
Oh god is that seriously what they reverted it to? I remember it being something like that in earlier xpacks.
Then they changed it to just a flat value.
sweet summit
Thats how its been for all 2 xpacs ive been playing the game 
cinder nova
And I guess they swapped back
I just remember one of the expansions they turned block value into a flat reduction based on the shield.
sweet summit
Yar
rancid tiger
Guys what would u say is a minimum versa a prot warrior should have for prog raiding?
empty spindle
Tankier warrior is a good warrior
cinder nova
Guys what would u say is a minimum versa a prot warrior should have for prog ra...
There is no minimum stat for Prot.
sweet summit
But there are no required stat %s
rancid tiger
ofc there isnt, but more recommended
sweet summit
Whatever your highest ilvl gear puts you at really
rancid tiger
u can go naked with no shield
sweet summit
Ilvl>haste>vers>mast/crit
cinder nova
ofc there isnt, but more recommended
sweet summit
Thata fine
sweet summit
Maybe he's simming upgrades for dps
And thats what pops up
Or he just likes crit block
Idk
cinder nova
Mastery shouldn't ever sim as an up for DPS? Isn't it like the worst DPS stat for us?
cinder nova
idk I haven't ever seen Mastery sim higher lol
Nothing wrong is having a hard dick for crit block tho
It is pretty good
cinder nova
Just kinda sucks because we can't force it, so it's kinda RNG.
So Mastery's value (outside of it's passive AP bumps) seems like it's all just falling to RNG
sweet summit
Sorry not a legion guy but yea sure
sick sentinel
if u time a 14, can you exchange the key that was upgraded (Now a 15) at the end of the run?
cinder nova
Even with that broken shit we were still like 2% of the tank pop
sweet summit
No
cinder nova
if u time a 14, can you exchange the key that was upgraded (Now a 15) at the en...
No.
sweet summit
Lol
cinder nova
It's keys of equal level or lower
sick sentinel
so have to time a 15 to do that?
cinder nova
Yeah
sweet summit
Guess people really dont like not taking damage xd
cinder nova
Yeah, we're just historically one of the least played tanks of modern wow.
empty spindle
Vers gives him more healing recived π
rotund thicket
does prot warriors open their vault as dps lootspecc? or do we fish for a nice shield?
obtuse monolith
Nobody has a 252 1h or shield yet so I think a lot will be opening as Prot
cinder nova
does prot warriors open their vault as dps lootspecc? or do we fish for a nice s...
You open as prot to get shield, specific trinkets, and potentially 1hers.
The rest you open as DPS.
leaden basin
do arms and prot have the same innate chance to get 1 handers?
rotund thicket
You open as prot to get shield, specific trinkets, and potentially 1hers.
specific trinket = scale only, right?
deft sapphire
Yeah, IP had no cap and was a proper 100% absorb
It had a cap at 3 60 rage ips and was a 90% absorb
Although you could go over that cap with the artifact proc
amber herald
arms won't have any chance of getting a one hander
empty spindle
Fury will tho
odd nimbus
hey i have a question,i made a new legendary the wall on back and it doesnt have a socket
what should i do i want that versa socket
235ilvl
odd nimbus
but my friend has a back leggo with socket on it
distant crystal
no he doesn't
distant crystal
cinder nova
It had a cap at 3 60 rage ips and was a 90% absorb
That was after EN.
IP went through a shitload of iterations, but early in the xpack during the first tier it was off-the-wall, which is what led to it getting a cap in the first place.
deft sapphire
It always was 90% and capped
It just got tuned down a lot cause it was extremely overpowered
90% is fine anyway
You can still receive some passive heals
barren socket
do we still use shield block on cooldown when not tanking the boss?
sweet summit
you can, as it provides 20% extra damage to shield slam, but its not really needed
just make sure you have it back up for when you need it π
limpid jackal
how much harder is prot than guardian druid?
sweet summit
the hard part, in my opinion, is learning to tank
if you already know how to do that, then learning a new spec isnt bad
but if id have to put both on a scale from 1-10 id say guardian is a 3 and warrior is a 7
limpid jackal
Is it due to the lack of threat and spammable threat skills warrior has compared to Bear?
sweet summit
not really, we have great threat and revenge
limpid jackal
so far it feels like I'm waiting for thunderclap cooldown
sweet summit
its more the playstyle, making sure you have shield block, charge weaving/using intervene and cycling cooldowns
limpid jackal
It's a hard habit to break when bear had swipe >.<
sweet summit
imean
just use revenge
it does countless times more damage
and you can spam it (if you have rage, which you should most of the time)
limpid jackal
Is that ST?
sweet summit
both ST and AoE
limpid jackal
ah
sweet summit
i like to think revenge=thrash, shield slam=mangle, thunder clap=swipe
sweet summit
shield block is
limpid jackal
gotcha
limpid jackal
I haven't played in so long, before people were memeing that prot warrior was generate rage hit ignore pain and afk
but that was legion
lavish oracle
Can you block any of the hits from eye? no, right?
sweet summit
pine cypress
Will that spreadsheet be updated with Tazavesh eventually?
fading quiver
So, what exactly was the bug with banner? I keep hearing different things.
spare zodiac
best legendary for m+ still reprisal?
sweet summit
ye
carmine prawn
Can you block any of the hits from eye? no, right?
From my logs, none are blocked, gotta suck it up hard and eat it
sweet summit
So, what exactly was the bug with banner? I keep hearing different things.
Conqueror's Banner is currently bugged(?) and always buffs the lowest GUID players
that was the bug
kinda cringe
fading quiver
Not quite sure what that means. But OK.
sweet summit
its an ID you character gets when you create it basically
fading quiver
So now it just buffs people nearby correctly?
sweet summit
now it does yea
fading quiver
not just in your party, but anyone?
fading quiver
Darn, was hoping you could funnel it by being in a group
sweet summit
unfortunately/fortunately not
tepid sparrow
in your guys experience, how is it solo tanking for m+s?
sweet summit
its fine?
brittle owl
kinda like barkskin <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
it's nothing like barkskin lmao
sweet summit
a suppliment/for magic damage no?
brittle owl
it's a 1 min cd DR
sweet summit
just that barkskin has a cd
obtuse monolith
PW:S kinda
sweet summit
that works out in my head at least
brittle owl
hot island
primal nimbus
You guys also found fatescribes movement to be super bugged at times?
Had him chase me to the side with tank add debuff, even though my cotank had taunted multiple times
And at times he would just randomly run away and come back in
warm pewter
brittle owl
this isn't a lfg discord
jagged pier
This isnt a pink boi discord ither yet some of then still pop up 
wide pilot
Anyone able to guide me in the right direction of finding out how haste scales with the gcd. (Obviously it lowers it) but was trying to figure out roughly how to calculate how much to subtract from the 1.5 sec
digital arch
guys, how do i get this?
elfin nova
1.5/(1+haste/100) where haste is your %age haste on char sheet
wide pilot
@jagged pier I know we spoke a few days ago about my cpm since you noticed everything was REALLY low. But anyway I was curious whatβs your overall cpm on average for the dungeon. Not any specific spells just overall
elfin nova
So if you have 50% haste
1.5/(1+0.5) = 1
wide pilot
So if you have 50% haste
1.5/(1+0.5) = 1
Thx a ton
wide pilot
@elfin nova and 60/gcd would give me my maximum cpm/min right? (Not including anything off gcd)
jagged pier
60ish @wide pilot
delicate iron
Guys, if any of you have a moment could you check my logs and let me know what I could improve? I feel like I'm doing alright in general but I'm sure I can do better, probably could pop my CDs more often. Thanks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m1kCRBxHwFbX6Wg7#fight=last&source=3
jagged pier
Guys, if any of you have a moment could you check my logs and let me know what I...
Blocked hits looks fine, u could up your APM a little more u can fit a few more revenges, TCs and SSs a min.
You can use intervene a lot more sane can be said for SW and LS as well remebr they are part of our rotation u want to pretty much use them on cd/ use them so u have them back for the big pulls or hard hitting abilities.
U do waste quite alot of rage though so look at casting more revenges as ive said or more IPs just to dump that rage
next palm
Guys I have to replace a tank for tonight hc painsmith prog, any tips?
jagged pier
Taunt when hes casting otherwise u get 1 shot
next palm
Is it worth to use a shield block for the throw or just ip?
leaden basin
not blockable
jagged pier
Its unblockable
next palm
Rip
leaden basin
tank the boss first for the easier job movementwise
elfin nova
He targets the hammer on the other tank and then waits a few seconds before casting, like jakey said taunt once he's casting or he'll melee you when you still have debuff
As long as you do that the damage he does to tanks is not very threatening
Just go the corner you're supposed and don't int to balls or spikes
If chains are in your way it's their fault not yours
leaden basin
i wasnt too sure what to do in p2/3 after getting the weapon hit. do we just wait for the spikes to expand, or try to get back to boss early?
elfin nova
You can charge through them when the spikes are up
jagged pier
U can charge through the spike when they are up
elfin nova
But then you have to dodge them again so it's pretty much up to you
Obviously if you charge back and dodge again you get more uptime on the boss
wide pilot
What kind of revenge cpm are we aiming for?
modern brook
guys, how do i get this?
Google search legion prot warrior hidden appearance. Wowhead can explain it better than any of us typing it out
jagged pier
What kind of revenge cpm are we aiming for?
13-15
wide pilot
13-15
And Iβm assuming if your doing a lower key that allows to feel more dps oriented than usual I would be higher and either SS and/or TC would be a little lower than nor@al?
jagged pier
No my IP casts are lowerin or non exsistant in low keys
And revenge casts go up
Ss and tc stay the same
If u arent casting ss and TC on cd in any content your inting u loose a tone of rage
wide pilot
Ok got it. Wondering if thatβs whatβs hurting my cpm if I feel comfortable I revenge to much leaving me with no rage so when I do need it I donβt get enough from the single SS and I thus feel starved
cinder nova
LET'S GO 
wide pilot
Not sure if that makes sense but I feel like I get rage starved either when I panic or comfortable where Iβm not paying a whole lot of attention because there is no real threat
cerulean pivot
Hey boys always done high keys , but first season going in as prot warrior. My key healer (venthyr hpally) is struggling to keep me up . I always try to effectively use my defensives . Keep atleast one sb up if i can and where applicable use ip and kyrian pots etc . 227 ilvl running reprisal legendary. What else can i do
cinder nova
I mean, post logs, but also your Hpal may be struggling because Hpal is either playing poorly or they're being bottlenecked by dogshit non-CD VHpal throughput.
jagged pier
Hey boys always done high keys , but first season going in as prot warrior. My k...
Could be the paladin struggling could be you making mistakes hard to tell without logs tho
cerulean pivot
Doing a key tonight hopefully so ill log then as i doubt theres any pre uploaded
jagged pier
No problem can ping me if u find some or make them im happy to have a look
strong forum
guys, how do i get this?
digital arch
https://youtu.be/08f_suM80Bs
ty a lot!!!!!!!!
finally got 227!
F that my vers is low
potent basalt
Huch much ilvl are Dom Sockets worth? Ive 226 Hands and could equip 220 with a R3 Shard of Jas
strong forum
Dom sockets are worth alot
Like 20+ ilvl
And once you have the set bonus they're worth all the ilvl
potent basalt
Yeah got lucky with that Shard and since its the best for raiding i upgraded it to R3. I could buy the Hands from Korthia so i was wondering if it is worth loosing 6 ilvl.
strong forum
How do you even have 220s with a Dom socket?
potent basalt
You can buy it in Korthia with enough reputaion
strong forum
Ah you grinded like a mad man
potent basalt
Haha no i dont mean the one from the Archivists. They are 226. I mean the other one(dont know its Name in English)
Ah deaths advance
potent basalt
Ah you grinded like a mad man
blazing condor
Dom sockets dont work outside SoD right?
potent basalt
Dom sockets dont work outside SoD right?
Only its Setbonus. Shards as itself work
jagged pier
Got the hc chest piece last night that piece is never getting swapped
And pray for shield from vault tomorrow and i can loot vailt as dos for the rest of the patch
potent basalt
Got the hc chest piece last night that piece is never getting swapped <:copium:8...
On which Boss does it drop?
Ive got the Shield from 1st Boss on HC and Scale after 14 DoS Runs in a Row :joy:
jagged pier
5th boss i dunno, and why are u running dos scale is doggo compared to aegis
tepid nest
What is aegis?
potent basalt
5th boss i dunno, and why are u running dos scale is doggo compared to aegis
I dont have it atm and Scale is still extremly good imo
delicate iron
Blocked hits looks fine, u could up your APM a little more u can fit a few more ...
Thanks mate, appreciate that!
jagged pier
Its okay in raid but tank damage seems to not exisit tbh, but in m+ scale is not comparable to aegis its uncapped mitigation its insane
jagged pier
What is aegis?
Trinket off the nine in the raid
potent basalt
Can sometell me why wowhead says that Decanter of Endless Howls is that good? Ive got it and it never proccs bc ive only 5% Crit
mighty valley
Its okay in raid but tank damage seems to not exisit tbh, but in m+ scale is not...
whatβs gonna be the number 2 m+ trinket do you think?
jagged pier
whatβs gonna be the number 2 m+ trinket do you think?
Phial, emitter, OWS, hynmal
U dont want 2 on use
jagged pier
Can sometell me why wowhead says that Decanter of Endless Howls is that good? Iv...
I dont know what it says, but the strength procs pretty good but yer u need crit to make it worth while more likely a dps trinket tbh
We have better chooces
jagged pier
whatβs gonna be the number 2 m+ trinket do you think?
Defence matrix is pretty good as well apprently
potent basalt
I dont know what it says, but the strength procs pretty good but yer u need crit...
I think that im gonna skill Alchemy for the Trinket Just bc DoEH is so shitty for me. What do i want with a trinket that never proccs
potent basalt
I mean the alchemy trinket is worse than SLH
Hm then i will equip my 220 SLH an keep DoEH in my Bag for my "Tank with dps" Gear(Almost the same as my normal tanking gear except less Versa and more Crit)
mighty valley
Canβt wait to wake up to my ilvl252 
tomorrow
jagged pier
potent basalt
Dont remember my about the Vault. I still need ond 15 for 2nd Chest. Its kinda hard to find Group as a Warrior in PUGs. Funny that i didnt had that much Problems back in 9.0.5 with my BDK(had about 1,4k). Idk why, ive 229 ilvl
strong forum
The famous "Community perception"
brittle owl
if by famous you mean retarded
and by perception you mean "tongue based tactile feedback response"
tepid nest
the wording on the aegis is a little confusing, it says it reduces the damage you take from enemies by 6900 for 8 sec
is that just a 6.9k absorb per enemy?
strong forum
Per attack
strong forum
Yup
crystal dirge
hahah that aegis was from Eternal Palace innit
or was it Edict? nvm
same amount of letters 
crystal dirge
Nine
strong forum
The nine
crystal dirge
I actually liked that fight, on ptr it was a huge pain to coordinate everything on mythic testing
but this week on hc it was my fav fight i think
wraith surge
oooh nice
crystal dirge
oh shit you are right, man bfa feels ages ago
strong forum
Aegis the essence did basically the same thing
digital arch
im crying, i got 228 today! I was 226 yesterday!
strong forum
But much much worse
blazing condor
Edict of the depths or whatever it was called was nice as well
crystal dirge
edict+urchin was insane
strong forum
Never ran content that needed both
But I had both titan forged with socket, so that was nice
crystal dirge
my group had no dmg issues on 22-ish keys, but we had interrupt overlaps and shit so i preferred double def
not dying > doing minimally more dmg
strong forum
π€·ββοΈ
crystal dirge
diff groups diff needs
there was one trinket I really enjoyed playing
ill look up the name in a sec, it was from the BoD 2nd raid
Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption
cinder nova
Is it me or are a lot of the really hard-hitting phys attacks in SoD not blockable
Like tons of tank mechanics we can't even influence outside just hitting CDs.
strong forum
Doesn't matter
As long as its your highest ilvl, you're good to go
I personally have 32% haste and 2% vers
primal cape
kk
elfin nova
@cinder nova what stuff in particular? I think only big one is obliterate and that is largely fine as you want to cooldown the two hits anyway
primal nimbus
The sentry fire did kinda hurt on that fight ngl
fringe marten
I still have my edict in bank..and I reminisce every time I look at it. That was such a cool tank trinket; choice of magic or physical absorb with ramp up in combat? How amazing.
However, greatest trinket of ALL TIME and I will NEVER delete it....Ramping Amplitude Gigavolt Engine? I think it was called... Mekkatorque trinket from Battle of Dazar'alor.
sick sentinel
In 8.2 I had and often used both of the trinkets from heroic ep
One that links you and focus gives you both a big bubble and one that did a huge circle around you and did leech maybe
That link trinket was increibly good I really miss it
It seemed to help another with aggro anyway, this circle guyif you have access to good raid trinkets by all fucking means man
blazing condor
I got stuck on orgozoa too much to enjoy ep with my old guild
signal plover
@strong forum just wanted to stop by n say your cat was a star in the podcast
Mwahi's cam game also v strong
strong forum
Ikr
brittle owl
what podcast π
signal plover
err video i guess
strong forum
Well it is a podcast
candid shadow
hello ! do you guys always take the same 4 anima in key +10 ?
blazing condor
p much
granite nest
Playing prot warrior this tier, as far as I can tell, no real stand out covenant choices, they all sorta perform at a similar level? currently kyrian, was considering NF
orchid frigate
is this season unusual easy when it comes to doing keys?
muted vessel
Hey, looking at the best m+ run done with a prot warrior and i see a lot of theses talents
Pika is doing the same too but with ravager.
Do you know why heavy repercussions is beeing prefered now ? Infinite shield block ?
tender glen
Hey, looking at the best m+ run done with a prot warrior and i see a lot of thes...
almost near 100% uptime on sb
strong forum
Playing prot warrior this tier, as far as I can tell, no real stand out covenant...
Pmuch makes no real difference between NF or kyrian
autumn pendant
@strong forum im proud of you cloud
muted vessel
almost near 100% uptime on sb
Thanks π
strong forum
mellow bridge
hello ! do you guys always take the same 4 anima in key +10 ?
I always take barbs and crumbling bulwark, only two I consider from run to run are the ice and tank guy
lilac bloom
does anyone know if this is good for raid for SOD protection warrior
modern brook
strong forum
Either or is fine, depends on if you want that 3potency or not
modern brook
who the fuck wants a 3rd potency
strong forum
But yeah bulls is looking neato now tbh
blazing condor
I run what bull does
modern brook
3rd potency isnt worth it
blazing condor
Same conduits at least
lilac bloom
ok
deft vessel
I'm honestly trying Mikanikos since patch..I am still unsure if I like it or not
Bron is okay I guess
modern brook
mika doesnt become pog until capstone
deft vessel
not maxed yet, so don't have the deep AOE one
yeah
but frankly, it's been a bit refreshing lol
thorn remnant
I went into 9.1 convinced as being a DH, but this raid tier has me questioning that choice to consider Warrior because Warrior is so much fun too.
deft vessel
anyway, I came to ask about trinkets - I've not spent much time in new patch due to commitments so I'm a tad behind, but I wanted to see if there's some entry-level stuff that I can aim for pre-raid that's decent
I'm still using a scale from my s1 adventures (not even upgradable, never got one after valor got introduced, it's 216 or something)
and a 213 hungering destroyer trinket which I want to get rid of
modern brook
ive been running kliea cause pelly is for arms :/
deft vessel
so what would I replace the hungering destroyer trinket with? Not alchemist so no access to alchemy stone, but there's been murmurs about some open world stuff
modern brook
anyway, I came to ask about trinkets - I've not spent much time in new patch due...
Scale's really good still
there's a Kyrian trinket
that i cant remember the name of
deft vessel
yeah the scale I'll use still, not until I find a notable upgrade over it
orchid frigate
haven't seen much use of the alch trinket π€
blazing condor
Hymnal of the path?
modern brook
Hymnal of the path?
That's the one
Honestly, if the trinket gives strength and any secondary stats, it's probably fine
deft vessel
alchemy trinket is pretty okay cus of the high item level early season
can get it to...430 or something?
with the new crafting mats
do note that it will count towards the "one equipped crafted item" limit
modern brook
probably not to 430
deft vessel
I'm pretty sure it's 430, like the rest of the crafted stuff
fudge 230* lol
I made the same typo twice
modern brook
It'd be a pretty good trinket at 430
digital arch
ive been running kliea cause pelly is for arms :/
u can do this for arms, u can use as prot/arms
modern brook
Having both be at 2 potency seems bad tbh
Pelly isn't so far ahead that losing the 3rd potency is worth it just to be lazy on 2 specs
digital arch
the mastery that u get is better than one potency
modern brook
P sure combat med is on par or slightly behind Pointed courage
point remains theres no reason to share the tree
lilac bloom
i just want ones that is very good for heroic sod
tame jasper
What time is it in US in terms of maintence and beginn RWF?
tame jasper
Hows your maintence sxheduled(we in EU have 9-10 am for tomorrow)
modern brook
I think it's over soon? Maybe a bit longer cause of the new content
Within an hour or so
Website has it slated for 8 pst which is in 6 minutes
tame jasper
π so i should be able to watch us guilds on their mythic runs when back home in a few hours
tardy osprey
server up! race is on
sweet summit
inland raft
whats our best trinkets this tier for m+? the raid one to replace scale for sure then what? anima field emitter?
sweet summit
u get the loot u deserve
modern brook
<@!204081428869283843> liar
Servers are up why r u lying
inland raft
@strong forum anima field emitter still super good this tier for m+?
compact laurel
252 shield in the vault has to be bait right
mythic tarragrue shield has bis stats
hurts not to take tho to upgrade my 220 lol
brave jetty
how do we feel about taking vault gear in slots with dom sockets?
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> anima field emitter still super good this tier for m+?
It's up there, but OWS is the better haste trinket
brave jetty
my 252 piece is chest, which is the slot for the blood set bonus
strong forum
Depends on your likely hood of getting heroic Dom pieces
Heroic Dom pieces are easily already bis besides mythic
sick sentinel
distant crystal
252 scale with 5 targets is 85K absorb
sick sentinel
what should i grab friends?
distant crystal
scale
strong forum
Well fuck, prolly scale
Since tarragrue drops shield already
*if you kill him on mythic
So it's up to you
strong forum
If you regularly kill tarragrue on mythic, pick scale
tardy osprey
that's a really good problem to have
strong forum
3 great picks
Aegis, shield or scale
I myself would've picked the shield prolly since I won't be raiding much
brave jetty
will probably be clearing H remnant this week onwards, so I could get the heroic chest that way
strong forum
Tough choice, since picking raid loot is quite shit
fierce field
Hmmm.,. 252 Crit/Haste boots, or 249 Crit/mast 1h weapon (have a haste/vers 229 weapon that can be upgraded)
brave jetty
I don't want to pick the raid loot, but that 252 has to be fucking chest slot...
And the 246 is also a dom socket slot
main wasp
252 Darkfrost Helmet, 252 Chest Crit/Mastery, 252 Crit/Vers Shield... I assume I go for shield? Even though shield drops from 1st boss, helm/Chest is Dom sockets
lunar jackal
Tanks only want one thing and its fucking disgusting. Hell yeah
strong forum
Aegis > scale
brave jetty
that's gonna feel bad to swap it down for the H 239 blood chest but yeah
i guess that's the best of bad options
is blood set really that far out in front for us?
brave jetty
...why wouldn't survivability be a consideration too?
strong forum
Because its irrelevant amounts of survivability gain
99% of survival comes from playing well
nimble laurel
anyone trying out Mikanikos this week for the shield soulbind?
brittle owl
...why wouldn't survivability be a consideration too?
in content where mathematical, gear driven survivability is a consideration it's a case of "you'll know it when you get there"
until then, keep learning
until you do stuff that basically nobody else does first besides you and a few others
main wasp
are the keys bugged out this morning? i did a 16 last week, but i got a 19 key from the vault
muted arch
ik
so unfortunate
might wait til after mythic tara, since that shield drops off him
strong forum
>defensives
Aegis owns. On a pull with 20 mobs it does 80k dmg
On a 1.5min CD
Easily the strongest m+ trinket
lunar jackal
@strong forum What do you think are gonna be the staples of m+ trinketwise?
blazing condor
Yeah im lookin forward to using it im just memeing
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> What do you think are gonna be the staples of m+ trinketw...
Aegis + ows
Or aegis + matrix prolly
amber herald
I heard matrix does a lot of dmg and healing
sweet summit
it does
strong forum
Or full on spergs might still even play heart
sweet summit
its insane
unique sky
Just came back to retail and gave tanking a shot, first time tanking since vanilla and back then only tanked a couple of dungeons (Disaster)
It was pretty fun and went alright, I am level 40, was not like I ran a mythic or anything.
Anyway, looks fun and the rotation and options look fun.
Are tanks kinda high demand and easy to get groups with?
amber herald
200+dps from one trinket
blazing condor
Wouldnt surprise me if splinter is still gonna be run in the highest keys
sweet summit
yea
strong forum
Just came back to retail and gave tanking a shot, first time tanking since vanil...
Tanks are always high demand, and leveling is nothing like end game
tardy osprey
Just came back to retail and gave tanking a shot, first time tanking since vanil...
lot's of good stuff in #268491842637660160
and ya it's easy to get groups as a tank
unique sky
Cool cool, yeah I got lots of reading up to do. Was just curious if tanking was cool now and there are too many of them lol
unique sky
It was super fun though, looking forward to more.
ocean yoke
actually my mom said im cool so
cinder nova
Tanks are always high demand, and leveling is nothing like end game
I can either get 252 Belt or a 239 Domination Hands. I don't have another shard, but I do have my chest already.
strong forum
actually my mom said im cool so
Yooo, my mum said the same!
Do we have the same mum? She's named mum too
gasp
ocean yoke
yo its possible
fossil moon
quick question, just started tanking and a friend said i don't want avoidance because it'll reduce my rage gen, is that right?
it seems counterintuitive but i only just started tanking so, sanity check
cinder nova
No, your friend is probably a smoothbrain.
Having avoidance is fine, but we're not aiming for any tertiary stats.
amber herald
lavish oracle
Of course my shield drops from the one slot in my vault that wasn't 252, lol
fossil moon
Having avoidance is fine, but we're not aiming for any tertiary stats.
Ok thanks, makes sense. Nice to have, not critical
are any of the secondaries more important than another # for # outside of maybe haste? Or just more numbers = better numbers
cinder nova
More numbers = better numbers.
Our secondaries are really, really close together. The only exception to this is same ilvl pieces, trinkets, necks, and rings.
There's a bit more play, but even then, it's not huge.
fossil moon
neato, thanks again. I just found that in the FAQ too, so i'll go over it again before asking more noob Qs
tardy osprey
how many ilvl's do you give up for ideal Haste/Vers rings and necks?
strong forum
Up to like 16 ilvl
nimble laurel
what do you consider when choosing between Ravager/AM vs Into the Fray/HR for high level m+?
I'm at 29% haste; wondering if I shouldn't use ItF
sweet summit
nah ravager + AM in m+
tardy osprey
ravager feels good to press in M+
jagged pier
βοΈ
nimble laurel
I agree, Ravager feels good in m+. Just need to do better with SB uptime, I think.
tardy osprey
feely craft best craft
jagged pier
Of course my shield drops from the one slot in my vault that wasn't 252, lol
Imagine not doing 10 x15s week one kek
jagged pier
Yes
muted arch
no jakey u cant
jagged pier
Theres not much tank damage
muted arch
shut up
jagged pier
So a paladins fine to bring
mighty valley
kicked off vault with 252 anima emitter, I'll take it
sweet summit
thats hot
remote yarrow
How much haste on 252?
mighty valley
Proc is 333
sweet summit
thats 10% haste jesus christ
remote yarrow
fookin ell
cobalt ibex
Suggestions? Running reprisal
sweet summit
warriors soul oh lord
jagged pier
Ows
remote yarrow
sim
tardy osprey
Darkee on a BDK, must feel good
lavish oracle
Imagine not doing 10 x15s week one kek
The funny thing is, I did 9 and was like "eeeeh, it probably won't matter"
yeah, DK and prot pally, the 2 dark horse tanks
ebon geyser
Not gonna lie seeing a paladin on prog is weird
stark sage
this tier's tank balance is super good
protp+DK was not my first guess either, but i'm not that surprised
ebon geyser
Idk that nerf to the kyrian Lego made me delete mine
stark sage
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
lavish oracle
yeah, for sure, there's definitely a case to be made for bringing any tank this tier
I'm surprised there's so much melee
they have like 6 melee DPS and 2 Hpals
wait, is Impec Enh?
Oh, he is
huh
stark sage
the early bosses are quite melee friendly ,we'll see later on when multidot starts to become much more relevant
ebon geyser
Who are this soniqs ppl
lavish oracle
Not sure
lavish oracle
Oh
It's Imperative
I don't know what the Soniqs part is
Rigg's guild
they ran like 3 resto shamans on Eye for some reason, though
seems really high
ebon geyser
Dang I don't even know who they are lol
lavish oracle
Imperative's been around forever
lavish oracle
I think they were Lazarus Imperative last xpac
modern brook
Didn't li get busted for something
dark lark
Got a 239 shard of annhylde's aegis, 252 crit vers neck, 252 vers mastery ring, 252 pulsating stoneheart. Thoughts?