or conduit
#protection
lilac bloom
sick sentinel
kliea for kyrian
has option to make potion remove and immune to bleeds ontop of standard effects which are now immunes
jagged pier
blazing condor
jagged pier
is that brutal vitality instead of unvering
blazing condor
Clear ur discord notifs
primal cape
lilac bloom
well i choose that cos i have 226 instead of 213
blazing condor
sweet summit
that doesnt make it a better choice
primal cape
Piercing verdict
jagged pier
lilac bloom
well i thought i could experiment abbit but ok
primal cape
What have you done Eddie
sick sentinel
whats your character name eddie so we can look up more
lilac bloom
well thats cos i got this wonderful new conduits from SOD that i might as well try it out
didn't think it would be that bad
greystormz
primal cape
link your raiderio ig
primal cape
I tried Valiant Strikes, same than Bron, bring too small heal/damages to be decent
wait are you fury?
primal cape
primal cape
you have the reprisal leg?
lilac bloom
yah
i do
but i find it ..terrible.. cos the hgher key.. i can't use it instead use the wall
jagged pier
look honestly we arent really gunna be able to tell u anything without logs of your runs
if your stuggling its most likely a play issue
which we cant understand without logs or a vid/stream of u tanking
lilac bloom
yah i have to get my logs back.. cos of how wow keeps kicking me out i end up deleting all my add ons tnad restart
primal cape
Potency play with Piercing Verdict + Show of Force if 2nd potencys Conduit
Finesse, Inspiring Presence
Endurance, Unnerving Focus is common
modern brook
If you have access to 2nd potency on Kleia you shouldn't be running double potenxy
lilac bloom
how to stream i have no idea..ijust used wowlog
sick sentinel
i'm considering doing a major purge of unnessecary addons
primal cape
talents are fury one
modern brook
Her right side is a trillion times better
primal cape
should screen ig
sick sentinel
just use move anything and only the things i need damage addons nothing else
primal cape
reprisal is needed btw, you have to charge/interv to refresh mdb + rage
are you lacking rage?
mdb is shield block
lilac bloom
yah .. i tried that i guess i have to go back to it.. just bad for me since.. it hurts me like hell last time..
let me link u my gear for it
primal cape
yes sir
sick sentinel
i was asking the wine guy about it, but thats not a bad idea for necrotic week
lilac bloom
i haven't unlock my 2nd potency
primal cape
Do you want to stay with Kleia btw?
jagged pier
so u run PV
jagged pier
PV
its in the cheatsheet in the pins
if u want a run down of conduits
cov specific (unless your venthyr) > unvering > stalwart > whatever u like they are all shit
sick sentinel
i couldn't kill the mail room boss so i said i'm done
lilac bloom
i'm not sure.. like first boss.. i was alriht till ppl dying then i end up dying
sick sentinel
glitched out
primal cape
i'm not sure.. like first boss.. i was alriht till ppl dying then i end up dying
The single target war is not decent tbh
mellow bridge
keys are a lot easier than expected
jagged pier
ogan u arent going to be able to tell from just talking in discord, logs are far far more useful we can actually see why ppl are dying and what hes casts etc etc
primal cape
If your overall is around 4k at the end, its great
jagged pier
keys are a lot easier than expected
well all the dungeons got nerfed so yes
mellow bridge
we just had triple dps with necrotic wound power in NW
primal cape
if people die, cant do more
mellow bridge
completely trivialized the last boss lmao
primal cape
pick up are really bad
primal cape
i think people played back and they have no idea of what theyre doing
RIO is fucked up now, you dont even need to time to get points
jagged pier
u didnt before 🤔
primal cape
You can play like that but in low keys, its dps builted
primal cape
Im not playing with best served cold
jagged pier
are you playing with reprisal?
jagged pier
lilac bloom
i did but used the wall instead cos i wasn't surviving
jagged pier
there the wrong talents for the wall
strong forum
<:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506>
fucking depleted SoA 17 cuz hunter and rogue died several times on all bosses
jagged pier
but that question was at ogan
primal cape
Why would i use Best Served Cold doing +20% damages than Booming Voice doing 20% overall + giving Rage ?
jagged pier
because its not overall 20% damage its more
strong forum
Why would i use Best Served Cold doing +20% damages than Booming Voice doing 20%...
cuz its perma dmg vs on a 45sec CD 8sec window
jagged pier
because that proc that reprisal gives u
is 50%
increase damage
and if u use reprisal correctly
u have more than enough rage
primal cape
Perma 50% ?
jagged pier
every time u charge or intervene
u get the 50% increase on it
and u get a boat load of rage to boot
lilac bloom
i only intervene on reprisal if i needed the sb but thats how i played ..and still did not let me cope with damage from the boss if my hp is below 50%
strong forum
BV is a dmg gain in ST
but in multitarget, because you use so many revenges and get so many revenge procs from reprisal, BSC results in more dmg
sweet summit
https://i.imgur.com/lvH8ZaX.png
HNNNGGG
strong forum
i guess i have to enchant leech now aswell
jagged pier
POG
jagged pier
gaming
strong forum
also skipping the last lieutantn with the +50% phys dmg on soa last boss is great
tame jasper
strong forum
yeah but we had 10 deaths, 9 of those being dps on bosses 
jagged pier
F
sick sentinel
you know, i think i will give that dungeon 1 more try, but first i'll get rid of maximum amount of addons useless ones
strong forum
so first boss took like 5minutes
sick sentinel
and maybe try other content first before that still need to run a 4 star torghast
sick sentinel
pretty much just move anything, weakauras
jagged pier
its okay
ebon geyser
no spear conduit like WUT
lilac bloom
haven't put that in yhet
gloomy cradle
😎
lilac bloom
so bearers persuit
jagged pier
☝️
lilac bloom
yah i think my conduitsw wsa made for fury
why can't i change conduits on rest areas
here much better
jagged pier
excpet the brutal vitality
strong forum
remove brutal vit
mellow bridge
I ran a similar build in all my keys this week
took doubletime for more reprisal and crackling thunder over bounding strike
but those rows are somewhat subjective I guess
mellow bridge
you got all the important rows right in that pic
the two I mentioned are personal taste
as long as you have devastator, bsc, indom, AM youre def good to go
- reprisal legendary
Now just focus on permanently using your reprisal legendary
charge and intervene as often as possible
get those shieldblocks running
learn what casts you can and should reflect/kick
as long as you have SB up, the only things that can kill you are casts and bleeds pretty much
lilac bloom
oh wells i try it later
now.. i feel like dungeons istn' for me at the moment
i failed so many groups.. only doing ok in raids
its like they changed the whole dungeons after patch.. all the boss strat is different
mellow bridge
dunno why you think that
I guess you just burned most bosses with pride before they did anything?
time to look up what they do
lilac bloom
no ..l a few no need pride
like this theater boss just the first one.. its harder then the last one
then i had a plauge boss.. first boss.. with slimes and moved to the right.. after the top big add spawn and still people just strugggling to cc or kill it
no idea.. wahts going on
instead of brutal vitality .. i got these 2
anima sphere or fueld by violence
oak lotus
Unnerving focus = lots of revenge
strong forum
or lots of executes!
lilac bloom
so i should use unnerving focus ofver anima
jagged pier
2-3
jagged pier
so i should use unnerving focus ofver anima
yes
strong forum
unnerving = stalwart > anima
oak lotus
I'd play anima instead of stelwart if you're running AM
lilac bloom
ok i just leave it as that then
maybe i should work on my reknown
or do more torghast for that 240 legoo
by the way,,,, does reprisal work on SOD raid
or should i go back to teh WALL
oak lotus
I used reprisal on SOD. worked wonders.
mellow bridge
Reprisal everywhere
low beacon
As a DPS main on nigthfae, is it ok to run dreamweaver in m+ for tanking? Pod it pretty useless but the 20% absorb every minute seems pretty strong since its the only soulbind with the extra row until next week
lilac bloom
thx guys will try it later when i'm abit less stress over this..
mint loom
hey, quick question, why are so many using reprisal boots instead of legs? I don't get it
mellow bridge
They have it from Nathria because SLG had higher ilvl legs
mint loom
oh now I understand lol
jagged pier
Conq banner makes prot warriors S tier
if your gunna take it for the dps increase for the raid u may as well play a paladin or monk they do more damage than a prot with that buff
sweet sleet
im just looking for viability tbh
jagged pier
u can literally pick any cov and be viable
sweet sleet
im still kyrian but i took a break from 9.0, saw the necrolord buff so im curious
gotcha
sweet sleet
becuase not all classes benefit from mastery?
strong forum
and because you need to play around the banner alot
and that itself is ass
and if you dont min max playing around the banner its not worth outside of you doing it for fun
jagged pier
and u loose reprisal 
sweet sleet
reprisal is that good huh?
jagged pier
yes
plucky galleon
Got kicked from russian warri discord for proving that necro is Top for prot
let see how it goes here
sweet sleet
why do you lose reprisal if you're neco though?
jagged pier
because u have to take glory
strong forum
because you have to play glory legendary
otherwise you might aswell not play necrolord
lime trail
^, Wall is a little less involved if you find it hard to uh, make a focus intercept macro, but yes
blazing condor
what dom sockets do we wanna use btw?
jagged pier
3 blood 2 frost
blazing condor
does it matter which ones?
like any specific
i dont really know how they work or how many there are
jagged pier
its in the icy veins guide
lime trail
ngl I heard Tarrague hurt at 10% but I didn't expect "You are unavoidably fucking DEAD if you don't preemptively CD"
jagged pier
your not supposed to live it
strong forum
its supposed to 1 shot you
lime trail
lol now I know
novel sentinel
It was only a 134k melee hit 
rotund thicket
are the shards of domination bind to loot ID? or can i farm them?
tepid nest
They behave like any other loot, you can only loot a boss once per difficulty
rotund thicket
i see and i can get them only from raidbosses? no torghast adamant layer or something else?
oak lotus
As a DPS main on nigthfae, is it ok to run dreamweaver in m+ for tanking? Pod it...
The pod can wipe you if u can<t get a bres out. Its bad for tanks
orchid frigate
using the glyph clap for the first time now. sounds like someone is firing a rifle 😄
primal cape
How many crit do you have for m+ guys ?
orchid frigate
how should i have my sound settings if i only want to hear BW and ready checks/countdowns?
outer plume
How are you guys handling rage management? I feel rage starved this expansion. Should I be pooling more instead of dumping into revenge? This is the first time in a long time I have felt like I need to worry about resource management
Understanding that it is somewhat situational, but I’m feeling like i am struggling with block uptime while keeping dps high enough to eliminate threat issues. Probably need to manage reprisal better as well though
jagged pier
couldnt tell u without logs
jagged pier
How many crit do you have for m+ guys ?
does not matter
outer plume
I understand that. I guess I answered my own question in a way, I should pool if I’m not able to hit SB when I need and I have charges available. Will post a log this afternoon though for advice
jagged pier
u shouldnt be having that problem though
mossy peak
by any chance are you not using devastator
last yacht
Is Decanter of Endless Howling any good as Prot? 101 crit and a strength proc
jagged pier
not really
ebon sun
How good is the “secondary stat to an ally and you” trinket from Tazavesh?
jagged pier
🤷
ebon sun
Okay.
mossy peak
it simmed higher than a 220 phial as fury for me, so at the very least, it's a lot of haste
or vers i guess if you want it
mossy peak
well use it on someone else
who doesn't have a lot of mastery
it gives you THEIR highest stat
sweet summit
and its by rating, not %
ebon sun
Sick.
outer plume
by any chance are you not using devastator
I am using devastator. Playing the standard reprisal build. Most likely it’s gear related. 205 ilvl doesn’t feel great in 13-15s this season
mossy peak
wouldn't really affect rage economy so much unless you're just venting all of it into IP because you're getting smoked
but yeah that's extremely low considering that's like doing 18s last season
outer plume
I find myself having to use IP pretty often, and I’m still learning how to use reprisal most efficiently so I am making mistakes there
mossy peak
never use IP over shield block
and rarely use it over revenge
it's more of a rage dump
it doesn't do a whole lot
blazing condor
Go log one of your runs
mossy peak
if you're very IP focused that explains your rage problems
blazing condor
And we can see whats the issue
mossy peak
as far as reprisal there isnt much to say, keep charge and intervene roughly on cooldown without wasting them if you need them for actual mobility
mouseover macros may help with this
you can use any opportunity when a mob stops to cast as a free charge without running out or anything
outer plume
I just have these gaps where dev doesn’t proc and I have no buttons to press and no rage, SB on cd. I def prioritize SB but my uptime isn’t what it should be. I still get clapped hard by stuff
mossy peak
and weave charges and intervenes into your natural kiting
outer plume
I have a charge/intervene/hamstring mouseover macro I am comfortable using it is more of a muscle memory thing with reprisal
jagged pier
get rid of hamstring
mossy peak
at your item level make sure you are kiting, as well
jagged pier
thats wasting rage
outer plume
Hamstring requires an additional key press
jagged pier
u dont ever press hamstring
mossy peak
if you're sittin there with nothin to do and youre getting blasted
jagged pier
its a waste of rage
mossy peak
get the fuck outta there
outer plume
So it doesn’t get used when I charge unless I’m in melee
mossy peak
at 205 you arent going to be able to sit there and face tank the world in a 15 right now
when the going gets tough, the tough get going
outer plume
True enough lol
opal escarp
Is banner still bugged?
strong forum
No
opal escarp
Thanks
rustic relic
How is the blood 3 set bonus compared to the others for prot?
opaque hearth
started playing again for 9.1, I had Reprisal on legs, do i need to re-craft it to add a gem or anything weird?
rustic relic
No @opaque hearth
opaque hearth
thanks, i heard a lot of complaints about re-crafting and gem sockets, wanted to make sure. So im safe to just upgrade it to 262 asap with soul cinders?
rustic relic
Yes. The only slots that get gems now I believe are rings and necks. As for re-crafting, we had reprisal on boots originally and now we use legs. So you’re in a perfect spot.
opaque hearth
good to hear, thank you
sick sentinel
What 3 potency’s are we running right now? Assuming kyrian.
jagged pier
in raid PV ashen AAF
in m+ PV SoF AAF
sick sentinel
Even in tyrannical we don’t use ashen?
strong forum
80% of the dungeon is still trash mobs
jagged pier
for any one guys this is how u can charge the boss without moving it in a raid situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ea4BtA0CNU&ab_channel=Jakeyplops
it can be done, even though it sounds like it cant be
sick sentinel
So turn them around and jump through them?
blazing condor
You can leap and charge pretty much how you want it works incredibly well
But i guess its more ideal to jump through than away but if youre fast enough to press charge it usually doesnt matter
jagged pier
☝️
Just people always seem to ask that specfic qusetion about charge when tanking a boss that is just one example of jow there are a lot of ways, but i always thing something to show if better than trying to explain it.
crimson furnace
should i care about ilvl on rings or just simply get the highest haste???
talking about 226 vs 239
sweet summit
id personally take the 239
crimson furnace
yhea, thinking the same same
sweet summit
unless the 226 has a socket, maybe then id be more lenient 🤔
crimson furnace
both have sockets
crimson furnace
cool, ty ty
crimson furnace
bigger numbers, better person!!!
blazing condor
Not nice losing 200 haste or some shit
sweet summit
both are within 1% iirc
high folio
gotcha
high folio
yeah i figured, my show of force is higher ilvl
lofty nexus
The new Affix Mini-boss...Soggondon, shall now forever be known as...SOGGONDEEZ!
sweet summit
soggondeez what
deft sapphire
🎣
vernal grove
So I've been averaging about 60% up time on shield block any tips or tricks to get that higher.?
grand drum
Get out of melee range when its down 😎
sick sentinel
What should I be using the second kyrian spear in SoA on?
weak mesa
most people burn the spear + lust on the last angel before the last boss
quiet crane
@vernal grove reprisal
Don’t lust that angel if it’s not fortified @sick sentinel @weak mesa
Spear and a CD of two is enough
vernal grove
i have reprisal
quiet crane
Then charge and weave more intervene on CD and don’t use SB when you’re not actively tanking
You can leap out and charge back instantly aswell if you don’t need leap for movement on a fight
Abuse any adds in the encounter to charge to aswell
vernal grove
In mythic plus I usually intervene an ranged an charge back in and leap then charge if I don't need to kite atm
quiet crane
in mplus make sure when you're charging mobs you're not going through them and getting auto'd in the back
muted arch
Do you guys like the spell reflect WA
modern brook
which sr wa
jolly swift
Anyone broken out the amazing tank spec which is venth tank draven?
wide pilot
would u guys take a 226 aegis or a 249 item from vault tuesday
analog radish
Hey, is the Wall an acceptable legendary for a Mythic+ focused tank? Reprisal seems too confusing for my peanut brain.
I have rank 4 Thunderlord atm.
quiet crane
Not if you’re serious about mplus no
median tulip
Hey, is the Wall an acceptable legendary for a Mythic+ focused tank? Reprisal se...
It'll work fine, it's just not as good as an optimally played Reprisal build. But if you aren't capable of playing Reprisal near-optimally, The Wall is effective.
quiet crane
And there’s nothing confusing about it
You charge it bets you 4 seconds of SB 20 rage and a free revenge
Same if you intervene
mossy peak
just charge and intervene a lot
zig and or zag
heck even if you don't, it's still good
gives ya everything you want right on pull
quiet crane
@median tulip lol no even playing reprisal a shit as possible and only using it to pretty much charge into packs makes it instantly Bette d
Better
The wall is only ever useful if you need shield wall for a tank buster like once every 2 min and you can cover that alone with the other CDs and externals available to you
timber slate
I have rank 4 Thunderlord atm.
Why would you craft thunderlord?
dusty geyser
might have crafted before reprisal was changed
obtuse monolith
Reprisal has been best since 9.0.5 and that isn’t really changing. Good defensive and offensive benefit
inland raft
do shards of domination drop at higher rank from different tiers?
nimble laurel
Can the overhead slash from the first boss in Spires no longer be avoided?
drifting glade
Can the overhead slash from the first boss in Spires no longer be avoided?
I recall reading that they changed that pretty early on
unless I'm mistaken
muted arch
is details shield block up time accurate
sick sentinel
so, if I understand correctly too there is you g to be activatable through game mechanics hard mode like kill robot heart in ulduar
for tazavesh
empty spindle
Hoping for a juicy 252 shield this week 💦
mighty cairn
all prot warriors dreaming of it 🙏
sick sentinel
4-5 casts per minute
muted arch
can you see that on details
plush tendon
No, you’ll have to log
muted arch
pretty sure i used intervene and charge on cooldown but details had me at 72% uptime
no clue whats goin on lol
golden basin
How is prot aoe damage? It looks pretty nice as kyrian or nf but idk
mighty valley
Uptime doesn’t really mean anything, you just want to know what percentage of hits your blocked, so you need to log for that
little herald
How is prot aoe damage? It looks pretty nice as kyrian or nf but idk
revenge, thunderclap, revenge, thunderclap....
GN, what ilvl am i suppose to be for can tank a +15?
of course, dont be a supertank, but not a bad. I try tank a spires 15 and take so much dmg
mighty valley
What ilvl are you at? It kinda depends on the overall skill of the group
mighty valley
It’s possible, you and group have to be good
Remember that a 15 rn is basically an 18 from last season
brave jetty
what energy do you guys move Guardian to cores at?
little herald
reroll for warr, my main tank in legion
brave jetty
You can tank a 15 @ 217 with kind of a carry group. It won't be comfortable.
little herald
what energy do you guys move Guardian to cores at?
3% i move close, wait do one protocol, and enter.
3% no, 3 energy
like a 3sec
brave jetty
226 or so and you'll be a lot more comfortable in 15s, you could do it a little lower than that, too
there will still be moments and pulls where you're going to want to kite a bit
little herald
hmmm
makes sense
if 226 is like a new "210 for tank a +15" in S1, its ok
i broke the key, but only the first boss os spire, after this, no big problens.
thx guys
more confident now
cinder roost
what energy do you guys move Guardian to cores at?
Wait for 2 protocols and jump in 2sec before the end of the cast, 3/2.5 if you're not confident
cinder roost
I was looking at your logs for Balls on Raznal
brave jetty
Our ranged were sucking that night lol
cinder roost
Yeah you asked so I checked 😄 but it was fine for me
brave jetty
it was an unplanned raid day so a bunch of people were drunk
flint cliff
Is vault loot itemlevel capped this week?
cinder roost
Nop
tawdry dirge
is there a thumb rule about how much worth a domination socket is?
jagged pier
u drop ilvl for them
cinder nova
When it says 50% or more HP thank your target is it talking about % or value?
brave jetty
I imagine %, if it was value you'd never trigger it ever
at least not in PvE
Are Shards of Dom not upgradeable beyond t2 right now?
empty spindle
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors
mighty valley
Apparently it’s difference in percentage values — if you’re at 70%, your target has to be at 20% etc
tawdry dirge
fair enough so actually good for execute
cinder roost
If this is really the case, Devs are more brainless than I thought cause it's useless on Sylvanas.
jagged pier
well not if your above 50%
cinder roost
If what Harrow says is true
But I don't see why they would code it like that
It's just dumb wording
fringe marten
problem with sylvanas is..you don't get to hit the Cool red sword button..
cinder roost
Respec Venthyr for Sylv 😄
fringe marten
I respect your sense of humor sir.
The ONLY wrinkle in the crystal clear Blue People superiority..is their propensity for Owlmans slavery. I'm not a fan of the treatment of Owlbros after me and Popo have become such good friends.
lavish oracle
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors
No.
jagged pier
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors
39% when u start getting taxed for it on gear buffs like ITF still dont get reducded
empty spindle
Oooh so more haste = good
lavish oracle
Yeah, pretty much, we just like stats, more stats = good
In most circumstances prioritize ilvl
brave jetty
Shards of Domination = upgradeable past t2 or is it time gated right now?
lunar jackal
Hey guys does the chisel extract the shard (like actually returns it to bags)?
nvm misread im dumb
wanton panther
Hey guys, I was lucky enough to get Old Warrior's Soul from Sylvanas (normal ofc) and I wanted to ask if you are going to swap Splintered Heart of Al'ar for Old Warrior's Soul for mythic+ ?
For 15-16 keys right now and Raid I think I can use it but for pushing 18s this week I dont think I can survive without a cheat death trinket.
What do you think ?
jagged pier
u can survive 18s fine without heart
round vortex
I’d personally run the heart. The old soul might only gain your group a little. But being tyrannical week and new key level tuning, your healer might get caught off-guard.
Jakey is right. But there’s a very strong chance you’ll proc your trinket a few times possibly each key
wanton panther
Yea it only proc a few times but it was my bad. example: Big pull on ardenweald (dos) and all mobs get enraged and insta nuke me 🙂
strong forum
Hey guys, I was lucky enough to get Old Warrior's Soul from Sylvanas (normal ofc...
I did soa 17 the other day and it was basically 0 tank dmg
Halfway through the key I literally got tilted cuz I ran my bloodscale
For 0 value
Waste of a trinket slot
wanton panther
I’d personally run the heart. The old soul might only gain your group a little. ...
What about Old Warrior's Soul, is it top tier as wow head says here ?
For raids I mean, I see it as bis, but I am not sure for m+.
strong forum
Still a very good trinket
round vortex
What about Old Warrior's Soul, is it top tier as wow head says here ?
Yeah it’s super good. It’s only simming 3% behind Phial damage wise but the haste has defensive value that can’t be measured as precisely
wanton panther
Yea more shield block uptime etc etc.
Well thanks for the info guys, ill test it in a 16-17 today and let you know!
round vortex
But the original question about the shard, I’m using it while we play in the new affixes and once the “shock value” has left us I’ll likely ditch it again lol
What’s your other trinket? Why not run them both lol
wanton panther
My other trinket is 220 Blood Spattered and I am not switching this one, ever 😛
jagged pier
weak man not getting rid of blood scale
just to point out how busted the DR form aegis is u can tank the second pack in DoS comfortably with it pretty much
like i went down to like 10% popped trinket hp didnt move
smoky wave
Aegis worth it for raid as well? Seems to scale better with more mobs hitting you but scale better at soaking single big mechanic hits?
jagged pier
scale is better in raid
ember lodge
seems like condensed anima scale is not bad? any thoughts vs brutal vitality
blazing condor
Probably better than brutal vitality but that isnt saying much
fringe marten
I don't think sims are seeing codex of the first technique right..or details is just wrong. It's not always; but way more than 50/60% of the time it has decent procs in raid fights and beats everything else I have for damage (I don't have a 230'ish phial to test against it though)
as in..on painsmith kill it was my 4th damage source.
plus 3rd or 4th healing source.
strong forum
seems like condensed anima scale is not bad? any thoughts vs brutal vitality
It is better than Brutal vit and fueled by violence, yes
ember lodge
thanks
smoky wave
Thought as much, ta Jakey
fringe marten
in keys it NEVER performs 'good' though...it's so odd I don't understand why in raids it's SO much stronger.
ticking dots/mechanics all the time maybe?
golden basin
I'm new to prot, but do we loot GV as prot in all situations?
strong forum
Only if you want a shield / weapon / specific trinket
Once you are set on those, you loot as arms or fury
ember lodge
Only if you want a shield / weapon / specific trinket
what's the rationale on that sir
strong forum
?
brittle owl
?
jagged pier
?
brittle owl
it's p self explanatory
prot can loot 1h and shields, and all the tank specific trinkets
unless you need those, you'd get better chances as arms since you eliminate 1. shit situational trinkets from the loot table 2. higher chances at gear in general since you have a loot table that is less than prot's by 1 slot
worst thing you can loot by going arms is a 2h that you can use for your offspec. worst thing you can loot in prot lootspec is a selection of high tier shit trinkets that you're gonna vendor
cinder nova
I did soa 17 the other day and it was basically 0 tank dmg
This. I normally am a baby back bitch running Heart, but I took it off when I realized this is goof week.
Sidenote... holding both orbs for Stitch room is maximum kek
Pulled the patrol and right side after Sogg and orbed it all down in a 16
Then pulled the left side and orbed it down too
strong forum
im ooooorbing it
strong forum
We managed deplete the key because several hooks got missed on 3rd boss
cinder nova
That's a capital oof, old boy.
strong forum
And then the piece of shit healer decided its not worth his time to complete the key???
Fucking week1
Of s2
strong forum
Yeah who cares about loot bro
strong forum
Idk I find NW is one of the hardest keys ever
strong forum
It's hard because wiping to 3rd boss is a staple it seems
cinder nova
#YEAROFTHESPEAR
strong forum
Or 2nd boss because the dps love to not kill the adds
brittle owl
#YEAROFTHESPEAR
🍆
strong forum
And just flop
cinder nova
tbh last boss isn't that bad even on tyran, just make sure you save hammer for aegis and you're solid
Then you shatter after the hammers deplete
After that you should have enough on healer CDs and if you have a druid you can also drop HotW to pick up the aoe damage if they last overlong
The aegis seems to be the biggest source of damage if it isn't clipped fast
blazing condor
Its not hard
But its long
Luckily you usually have at least 8 mins going into it
blazing condor
cinder nova
Ooo related
How the fuck are tanks going to soak the 220K phys from Guardian oblit on Mythic
That is a FUCKLOAD of damage, and I'm pretty sure he does 2 per combo
brittle owl
ngl
blazing condor
simply just dodge
brittle owl
this convo is p hot
cinder nova
I don't think armor and crit block is enough to live it.
sweet summit
sunder is only 160k damage on mythic
cinder nova
Yeah, I'm talking Oblit
Oblit is 220K on mythic
And the arcane damage is the split
not the phys
sweet summit
oh right
cinder nova
Yeah, apparently lol. I'm gonna be really fucking glued to logs to see how WF pulls that bullshit off.
cinder nova
Because my smoothbrain math with the damage reduction and diminshing returns pooped out ~75% DR
Which is still a lot of fuckin' damage.
But I also may have done my math wrong. Does block factor raw damage first with the remaining being checked against DR?
strong forum
Armor>block>DRs>absorbs
cinder nova
So if I have 50% armor on a 120K swing it's dropped to 60K, and if I have a block of 30% it's dropped to 40K, and then whatever is left of my DRs is checked against that 40K, and then the rest hits hp/bubbles?
cinder nova
Right, which means stacking them becomes less effective the more you throw on.
strong forum
Ya, which means block+armor alone won't reduce the 120k to 40k
But still considerably low
cinder nova
Right, that's what I was calculating it as originally - that armor and block are just DRs and suffer the same diminishing returns as piling on Wall or whatever.
strong forum
If you have IP + block + Demo shout I think you should be fine
Throw in an SW if need be
But will have to see
strong forum
Naowh felt very squishy on his pwar against normal guardian, but that's prolly because he was tanking with only priest healers
cinder nova
Disc? Our healer lineup is like all priests and one hpal I think.
cinder nova
idk our holy priest pumps and even then N Guardian I barely felt the second sunder.
I also parsed like shit, though, because I wasn't trying to choke on my ankle from overhype over one tanking
strong forum
Cuz he dumb
strong forum
Says he would prefer to play Wall in raid
But he doesn't have wall
??
So how can he prefer it
If he's never played it
cinder nova
Yeah, avg of 20K on sunder with a max of 33K and I know that hit was when I didn't have block up because I was too busy losing my shit over one-tanking
1000% I played it like shit but we still one-tanked it
Didn't feel bad
mellow bridge
did you need big defensives for the second hit or is the dmg on normal just that low
cinder nova
At first I was using big CDs, but afterwards I sacked up and just used block and lived ez
Guaranteed if Nom is looking at my logs he's cringing hard
strong forum
From the first glance looks good, besides that 1 missed block on sunder
And for the fact that you solo tanked
cinder nova
Oh it's a travesty
I think that was like 2 pulls
I'd have to check
Yeah it was 2 pulls.
I wanna try and one-tank H
So I'm still trying to puzzle out if I can live the second oblit.
🤔
Some part of me is betting I get deleted on the second whack though
@strong forum Do you know where I can find the formula for how hits are calculated with everything? I might just do the math myself and see if I can live it or if I'll get absolutely goomba'd
cinder nova
Shards of Domination = upgradeable past t2 or is it time gated right now?
I have a T3 already?
cinder nova
Yeah, it was in the back page.
brave jetty
Huh, there wasn't a second page for me
brave jetty
Dunno offhand, out of game now
brave jetty
Weird, I wonder why my NPC didn't have the next page of them
cinder nova
I can even buy foreboding
In fact, Imma do that
Yeah it's on the second page.
If I get 45 more embers I can get T5
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> Do you know where I can find the formula for how hits are...
I would only just Google them
cinder nova
What do I even google? My googlefu sucks mad dick
strong forum
But yeah, sloot released a good video on how mitigation works
orchid frigate
is the pack before gauntlet in SD changed back to when you could single pull a guy in it?
mellow bridge
havent tried it myself (skipping them is usually more efficient), but apparently yes
have heard that from several people now
blazing condor
No idea cus u would usually skip them
cinder nova
Yeah, you'll have to test it.
blazing condor
You know what irritates me
Why blizzard has ”fixed” outranging some tank-abilties in m+
Aka the bleed in SD or tenderize in NW
I think if you just wait a bit before charging back in they still dont recast it
But otherwise they just recast that shit on you
steady slate
is post master actually bugged or is it an issue with people not understanding how the bombs work?
none of the groups i've run with have been able to get past it
fringe marten
I haven't seen any kind of hotfix so as far as I know post master is bugged
you basically have one chance to do it perfectly while it works; if you wipe you insta drop bombs and crap after you pick up them..it shatters the encounter.
However if you do the other mechanics ..then just let the bombs sit there and don't touch them; you have a good bit of time. So everyone is just burning him
turbid cargo
yep. We had to have our healer swap to dps, pop lust, and just mongo it down
fringe marten
yeah, you basically soak purple (if you want) live through...? mail call or whatever it is..the cyclone; then go hamskies with lust and down him (pop lust probably right after cyclone)
OH there's the soak too; have to do the orange swirly soak
But yeah; you either overpower that fight with dps or...you don't kill him
I"m sure tuesday there will be a patch for him, and a serious nerf for Painsmith heroic.
crystal dirge
just read the conversation about intervene macro
definetly use it on partyframes, dont be like me, intervening in the middle of the melee group on random target, accidently hitting my co-tank on Kelthuzad HC and killing myself w the first hit
also regarding the Tazavesh convo, I went fury myself for it during a boost run, so we were essentially 4 dps, easily burning him down, if you guys go 5, it's going to be super easy
cinder nova
Yeah you don't even need lust for HM if you got some pumpers.
We ran VDH and I went Fury our priest went shadow and we all just smoothbrained the fight
mellow bridge
you dont have to soak anything on post master if youre just burning it
not soaking the swirlies just means there's a big puddle but it doesnt matter if you just burn
we easily burned him in HM with our healer staying as healer and just doing damage
slow hatch
jagged pier
lucy lawless 
craggy pilot
whats the best NF Soulbind setup?
jagged pier
niya and apart from that u dont know
strong forum
There's usually a log in the note associated with it if it works
craggy pilot
Best Served Cold, and Anger Management is still the play right?
jagged pier
in m+ yes
strong forum
the comments say it doesnt reflect but the column says it does
You reflect 1 tick of it
Or deflect
Yeah so literally what the note says is what happens
You don't reflect it as in deal dmg, but you deflectit
brittle owl
i.e. spell reflect works but it doesn't pümp
fresh belfry
ok so it doesnt reflect
nvm im being stupid I thought the 2nd row is "deflectable"
but its block xd
brittle owl
👏
fallow cape
im having an issue with the intervene/charge macro, the intervene mouseover works on players but doesnt work on my party frames
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
unless im doing something wrong
strong forum
Do @mouseover instead of target=mouseover
Maybe that helps
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, exists] Intervene
/cast [exists, harm] Charge
This should be good enough
distant crystal
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Charge
harm/help include exists automatically, but nodead will keep you from trying and failing to intervene a corpse
strong forum
Double mouseover over is kinda
blazing condor
warped moth
what's the consensus for H Sylv? Wall or Reprisal?
jagged pier
rep
blazing condor
This is a strict reprisal household
jagged pier
i mean i havent even done sylv HC but i will run rep on it 100%
primal nimbus
Unless the fight changes drasticly for tanks from normal to HC, then there are loads of oppurtinies to charge
She don't excactly swing the bow around a lot 😄
strong forum
You also can't move sylv on your own
She moves and you follow
Only after some mechanics she teleports to the tank, but usually she doesn't just follow, so reprisal should be goat
analog bear
is there a haste cap we need to reach or just get all the haste possible?
jagged pier
39%
analog bear
oof
jagged pier
i mean u dont need to hit it but thats when u stop
strong forum
At 40 the 20% stat tax sets in, and that one actually makes a difference so its advisable to full stop getting haste at that point
analog bear
ok ty for the info. if you dont mind where are you guys at haste wise?
jagged pier
32 maybe i honestly dont track stats it doesnt matter
analog bear
all good
strong forum
32/33ish
analog bear
ty again for your time and have a great day
strong forum
I could have like 36%
Maybe 37% even
Cuz im fully enchanted and socketed to mastery
jagged pier
strong forum
Bro im fast
jagged pier
strong forum
blazing condor
Doors were on gcd
median tulip
I hit like 55% when my AFE procs and 5+ people are near me for ITF stacks
jagged pier
^^
ember orbit
im having an issue with the intervene/charge macro, the intervene mouseover work...
this is a macro i use, you can leave out Heroic Throw if you wish but i find it useful if charge and taunt are on cd to get aggro on adds at range as it will use Heroic Throw if Charge is on CD, it works been using it for some time
#show Charge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Heroic Throw
/castrandom [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Charge; [@mouseover,help,nodead] Intervene
jagged pier
boys how can i pick the big anima boy in SD with the tornado guy?
u run to the other side of the room they dont usually social aggro though but tbh just do the pack before u dont need to do that skip anymore
blazing condor
Since you go there with 10 stacks of venthyr buff
Those two packs are pretty easy peasy
jagged pier
'if u have a vnehtyr buff'
blazing condor
But i assume you could skip them and pull from the other side but i dont see the point
Well why would you run SD with no venthyr
blazing condor
I mean yeah its not a gg
But still
You can time mists with no NF
But why
You can time X without Y but its pretty int
strong forum
Rarely anyone plays venthyr
So, kinda hard to have that for SD
Had to run multiple ones without it back in the day
👴
cinder fern
If you don't skip and pull the pack outside, you can taunt the tormentor out of that room and do him first.
distant crystal
Double mouseover over is kinda <:weird:718676218500874320>
you still get your target as a failsafe
lavish oracle
More people playing venthyr this patch, feels like
lilac bloom
i tried to do painsmith on heroic
die everytime i taunt the boss
i know.. have use mitigation b4 taunting
still damn it hurts so bad
i'm so undergeared for some reason
jagged pier
i mean u may also still have the debuff
median tulip
Painsmith is a horrible fight
graceful cobalt
how good is the new trinket with mastery from Wolrd boss
jagged pier
📉
lilac bloom
ya i was dying so much rl end up kicking me out of the raid. sometimes i live sometimes i dont
like what debuff do i still have on after he shoot me with the axe.. moved back to position did my mitigation or forgot taunted the boss back then suddenly getting wacked
and as well as soon as i get debuff some random chain knocks me then kills me
then Rl says im dying too much..
oops 4got to log cos logging makes my comp really slow
i think i did live log that slows
sick sentinel
like what debuff do i still have on after he shoot me with the axe.. moved back...
Could you try and explain this part differently? Having trouble understanding what you're describing
lilac bloom
i think using reprisal is bad for that fight
shell fox
!guides
candid shadow
hello !! beside scale what trinket should we use ?
sweet summit
we dont have commands like that
lilac bloom
Like every time i get that debuff and jump all the way to the corner... then i went back to the position where the other tank was... taunted the boss and i get one shoted
shell fox
you should
sweet summit
why?
shell fox
the rogue discord has it
gilded tendonBOT
sick sentinel
Like every time i get that debuff and jump all the way to the corner... then i w...
You shouldn't be taunting until your debuff falls off or the other tank gets targeted with axe
pine cypress
Like every time i get that debuff and jump all the way to the corner... then i w...
Are you taunting the boss while you have the debuff from the weapon? That is why you are dying if so
lilac bloom
i didnt see
fringe perch
Eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
shut summit
when the boss throws wep at other tank after you come back, theres ~3seconds where the other tank gets debuff before he actually starts to cast so if you taunt he can melee you
so you either taunt from range so the boss moves some / doesnt hit you until he starts casting the actual throw or just hafta use cd if you taunt and stay in
while making sure block is up
lilac bloom
i seen vid from hazel nut that i need to use tank button before taunting i assume mitigation before taunting
ya just rl says bring him back which i thaught he meant taunt straight away.. but didnt realise that
i think i get what u r saying
i have to make sure it clears up... how about smacking to chain people?
cos they end up killing me too
only when i have that debuff
sick sentinel
Try real hard not to run into them
lilac bloom
ya it sux. i tried when i was going through the line of balls i jump and they were in the line of jumping and they smacked right through and one shoted me
which is why they should let me pass first
but ya ill keep an eye on debuff b4 taunting thx 4 da tip
sick sentinel
It's called Blackened Armor
lament zealot
This may not be the place for this question but I'm looking for the add-on that will display shield block beside my character in a large frame so it's easy to see my uptime
Are there some general addons most people use for ui?
formal grail
This may not be the place for this question but I'm looking for the add-on that ...
You could create a weakaura for shieldblock by using an icon template (or bar)
timber slate
eyir cocks
lavish oracle
Can brutal vitality increase IP over its cap?
timber slate
I have one that show IP and shield block remaining time
lament zealot
Okay. That sounds like what I want. I'll see if I can find one that suits my needs when I'm off work
Thx
timber slate
Luxthos weakaura
candid shadow
for the same ilvl do i always choose haste vers ?
lavish oracle
For defensive ability, yes
candid shadow
thx
icy halo
Question: Is there a way to make ravager be automatically placed at whomever i'm targeting? Because i can make it be placed at my cursor, or my character, or my focus target, but how do i make it go to my target?
icy halo
What?
nimble laurel
Question: Is there a way to make ravager be automatically placed at whomever i'm...
You can't, but you can make it cast immediately at your cursor when you hit the keybind instead of getting the green circle and clicking a second time. This works best as the travel time of ravager works perfectly to cast right before charging into a new pack.
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
lavish oracle
Can brutal vitality increase IP over its cap?
For reference, the answer is no
ebon geyser
no NF assault?
ebon geyser
i though it was every 2 or 3 days
sweet summit
its like the nzoth things, swaps mid reset
ionic maple
So I'm necro on my tank alt (yeah yeah I know)biggest problem in m+ is holding aggro on bigger pulls, thinking about running the seismic leggo to help with best served cold, currently running wall which I'm honestly not making good use of, but dying isn't the issue and still feel tanky as fuck, am I missing something obvious with this plan?
strong forum
Y-youre supposed to reprisal
Anything else is just wrong
In m+ there is no choice but to play reprisal
Seismic you only play in meme keys or unless you know better
ionic maple
Even if this toon wont be doing anything higher than a 10-11?
hot island
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8n4gYbxBThAzqQm9/
I'm the Prot tank, Crash. Healers tell me that I'm way harder to heal than most tanks. Not 100% sure what I'm doing wrong. Any help is appreciated.
Really struggled with last boss of theater of pain on +7 last night, too. Scythe did a bunch of damage and it seemed like I never had enough CDs
strong forum
ionic maple
1st, spell reflect the scythe. It's big dmg to boss and not you
strong forum
You take alot of unblocked dmg
candid shadow
you dont use ignore pain enough i think
strong forum
Your blocked hits should be north of 80%
Ignore pain isn't of essence to being tanky, odge
hot island
ok so I need to better prioritize shield block and ignore pain?
strong forum
It's a supplement, not what makes you tanky
hot island
er more shield block?
distant crystal
try to have it up when you're being meleed as much as possible
and not using it during downtime helps w/ that
ionic maple
Better shield blocks is more important than more
strong forum
You should use your buttons more often
hot island
okok
strong forum
In a 6min fight, you only used spear twice
You only used ravager 3 times
Both those buttons are 1min or less CD
hot island
Yeah I'm bad with buttons that's for sure
distant crystal
personally that was always my biggest problem i feel, was using mit when it wasn't needed, then not having it later when it was
ionic maple
Theres also almost always telegraphed raid dmg that's magic based, use spell reflect before to help with that unless the boss has a tank buster spell
distant crystal
like pressing shield block right before the boss does a big cast, even though my timers told me it was gonna happen
strong forum
Your Shieldslam and TC usage is almost okay, could be better
But keeping up SB for attacks is the biggest prio
distant crystal
the log doesn't show your gear for some reason
strong forum
You aren't wasting rage, which is a good thing
distant crystal
you using reprisal?
hot island
I'm 215 with reprisal
strong forum
So the right of the bad things are, keep up SB as long as you're tanking
Use defensives like SR / SW / LS before taking dmg (although LS can also be used after)
And make sure to press your buttons
hot island
I'm guessing those weakauras in #268491842637660160 will help with shield block timing
ok this is all very helpful
strong forum
Ya they're vital
hot island
thanks a lot guys!! another raid night tonight... will drop the log in here.
ionic maple
Catching up on the convo log here, some peeps were saying they are having trouble tanking 11-13s at around 205 ilvl. The dungeons drop 229 gear, that's 24ilvls above your "belt". Its going to be a struggle unless you are in top of your game
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Doing 15s at 226 with no problem, which is like what 13 ilvl above what it drops?
ionic maple
Ran a PF 13 on my mage with my guild main healer and convinced them to take a 225 prot warr, healer was amazed the tanks health never dipped below 60%
chilly brook
Like honestly ilvl is important but a lot of the time good play>anything else
strong forum
205s in current 15s is a challenge for most tbh
Oh 11-13
Eh
Should be fine?
Depends entirely on your group
chilly brook
I dont have a 205 boi to do keys on
strong forum
Like the 17 I did at 225 ilvl was a joke for tank dmg
chilly brook
So couldn't really tell you from experience
strong forum
So I imagine a 11-13 at 205 is the same
ionic maple
DKs aren't bad right now....well they are above "terrible" at least
strong forum
No tank is bad
strong forum
The only thing bad about tanks is their dmg output
With vdh bdk and pwar fighting for the last spot
And then there are monk druid and pala overlords with a 2k dps lead to the other 3
chilly brook
The only thing I would truly be worried about in terms of doing 11-13s at 205 is not being able to hold aggro
crystal dirge
yoyo, i cant remember, multiple rallies dont benefit the raid if they are overlapped right?