so he switches for progress
#protection
smoky wave
Yes
Sweet. Might try mucking around with it tonight. That's some mighty nonsense possible.
jagged pier
from what ive found so far
even in 15s
i cant get it to proc that much
but thats probably due to not pulling big enough
carmine prawn
Anyone tanked normal Sanctum and has some quick and dirty tips to share?
smoky wave
don't underestimate tarragrue's melee range though, but yeah, otherwise it tickeles
smoky wave
oh aye, just caught me off guard in the last phase. turns out giant thing with long arms can reach quite far
carmine prawn
Good info on the long arms of angry giant. Thanks all!!
primal nimbus
Don't intervene your cotank on the nine, you might end up getting way too many debuffs - also you don't need to taunt painsmith as soon as the other tank has to run out, if you wait until he starts throwing the weapon with taunting you don't have to tank as many hits whilst debuffed
carmine prawn
Don't intervene your cotank on the nine, you might end up getting way too many d...
This is really good info!!! Thanks again!!
distant kestrel
Whats the actual diff between NF and Kirian for M+ for Prot? Spear v AA is pretty close but asking more Soulbind-wise, since NF doesnt seem to have any decent defensive soulbinds "made" for tankin that r worth usin
ionic fern
Generally you shouldn't need any "decent defensive soulbinds" for tanking. You are tanky enough just by playing your class correctly.
strong forum
Defensive soulbinds don't really exist or provide meaningful mitigation
So you're better off just going for dmg
You will never go "damn if I had that 3% more stam or 3% more magic DR I woulda lived"
languid juniper
So only difference is extra pot / bleed removal vs being a cute furry
jagged pier
well some ppl do they think that extra % vers will give it to yah
jagged pier
i dont think just revengj 
strong forum
They need all this vers, just for a fraction of our power!
jagged pier
TRUE
primal nimbus
Good info on the long arms of angry giant. Thanks all!!
You can also easily tank both sunders on guardian if you wanna flex on your cotank
languid juniper
Guardian smacks my ass with his melee
primal nimbus
My cotank(dk) tried after I did it and got clapped by a 108k hit on the second sunder 
languid juniper
My co tank just bubbled it and then flexed on me with his exec dammage 
Fuck paladin
primal nimbus
carmine prawn
You can also easily tank both sunders on guardian if you wanna flex on your cota...
Maintain shield block up will help? Any other cds on our suite to help out?
last yacht
Hey, i can make a 230 Spiritual alchemy stone with 103 vers - Would it be worth using over a 220 scale or 213 splintered heart?
primal nimbus
You can tank both with SB and IP, but just use shield wall/LS, since there isn't really anything else that does damage
languid juniper
Hey, i can make a 230 Spiritual alchemy stone with 103 vers - Would it be worth ...
Not really no
jagged pier
Hey, i can make a 230 Spiritual alchemy stone with 103 vers - Would it be worth ...
over heart 100%
carmine prawn
You can tank both with SB and IP, but just use shield wall/LS, since there isn't...
Will try that out!! Thanks!!
last yacht
Haha difference of opinion 😄 I'm leaning towards using it over heart because of the stats
Thanks!
last yacht
Just read it and that's a fair point
95% of the time it doesn't proc so the value of the alchemy stone would be way higher
languid juniper
hard to say since we have more gear than early nathria
but seems pretty easy for now tanking wise
(i stopped at Kel'tuzad
unique shale
hmm i thinking about tank or dps this raid tier but if it seems easy and boring i think i ganna stick to dps
strong forum
From what I heard, the raid is less hard on tanks
Bosses don't slap as hard, but yeah it's hard to tell. Mythic isn't out and heroic is usually not a benchmark
Sylvanas is proper hard apparently tho
unique shale
i had enough sire kills that makes me vomit
but it is kind of hard to optimize dps and tank gear cause i have so much fun in m+
i lose mastery on gears and i need to farm trinkets twice and need 2 one handed weapon
upbeat yoke
Yoo are the Unholy domination sockets nerfed for tanks or are they just in generell worst than the blood one?
upbeat yoke
Even in terms of dmg yeah?
upbeat yoke
I see, thanks - I‘ll stick for 3blood 2 frost for now 🙏🏼
sick sentinel
over heart 100%
Sry pretty New here what does heart mean
jagged pier
Sry pretty New here what does heart mean
its a trinket
carmine prawn
From kael'thas. The cheat death trinket
quiet crane
Tank damage isn’t to high no not until the far latter half of the raid any by the time most get their they will already have gear
sick sentinel
ah alright
wide pilot
for the 1st boss in spires when dealing with "Deep Connection" is it possible to move the two bosses together? seems like any way i move when the connection is going hits me
strong forum
Well you can tank the boss ontop of the bird
Once the boss if flying just don't stand in the line
The connection doesn't hit you if stand on the opposite side of the boss 
wide pilot
well i has been for me so ive just been standing still witht he bosses serperate and i get a lot of flack for it
wide pilot
ive tried strafing left and right moving my mouse to sort of make a circle to it and it still hits me
brittle owl
ye boi get into that cloaca
tame sleet
reprisal is the best legendary, but seems like it would make raid mobs yo-yo a bunch, that the case in practice?
jagged pier
no
old flame
What addon is giving those percentages?
sweet summit
modified version of "advanced tooltips", it wasnt updated. might be now tho
strong forum
reprisal is the best legendary, but seems like it would make raid mobs yo-yo a b...
Playing reprisal in raids is alot easier than it sounds
sick sentinel
tried to run that new mega dungeon a few times furthest i ever got was the suitcase boss on like, 4th attempt
got to the first boss and he left a swirl that wouldn't go away even though we were all out of combat, and still did damage to us
then on last run, somehow get through market and die 3 times to suit cases, only thing i can see on there is all 3 roles have "pick up and dispose of bomb" someone said have to tank near the pits maybe or catch them? can't stand under them it seems maybe have to click them while in mid air? not sure.
frustrating anyways, and i'm just not inclined to care why
quiet crane
It’s bugged currently @sick sentinel
You have two ways of dealing with it essentially you have 2 assigned “pillar players” and one “collecter” play is what we named them and the collecter picks up the bombs and throws them to the pillars whore strategically placed and put it down the shoot,
Alternatively you can just list burn it with CDs if your dps is half decent and ignore the mechanic entirely
sick sentinel
all i saw was orange firey breifcases a cast bar and then a boom followed by wipe
there was like 6 of them after i think they had a colored puddle
torpid cliff
The mechanic is bugged
tame sleet
@strong forum do i just intervene out and charge back in over and over again?
torpid cliff
Sometimes its impossible to pick up the bombs
sick sentinel
might be a good time to go try out some steam games i guess
give blizzard a week or month to work things out
torpid cliff
I did the mailroom boss with 4 dps and a tank. Burned through it. Otherwise it was inpossible
tame jasper
I did the mailroom boss with 4 dps and a tank. Burned through it. Otherwise it w...
yeah the "best" we had were 3 ppl with the bug and 2 without, but they also could pick up only 1 bad good and deliver it
sick sentinel
im not sure, whats the way that mechanic is intended to work?
they get thrown, land, pick up, take to spot for remove, then do boss as normal
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> do i just intervene out and charge back in over and over ...
Na, you charge for example before you taunt, you intervene basically on CD if youre tanking, be it a melee or w/e
And regular SB uptime should carry the tanking periods
You can charge when the boss stands still to cast an ability often times, or there are adds nearby to charge aswell if need be
median tulip
reprisal is the best legendary, but seems like it would make raid mobs yo-yo a b...
The key to using Reprisal effectively in Raid encounters is knowing the fight. Raid bosses are almost always heavily scripted, so you can predict when they will be doing something that means they will stand still while you counter-charge them.
pine phoenix
I might have missed it but is there a list on ideal anima powers from the m+10 affixes for tanks?
wide pilot
how often should we be using ignore pain? feels like i never have the rage to use it between revenge and shield block
tame sleet
awesome. i just maxed my prot warrior and am now waiting for upper reaches so i can make a reprisal. thanks wars 🙂
tame jasper
yes yes yes 229 scale on 2nd DOS attempt 🥳
stark lion
how often should we be using ignore pain? feels like i never have the rage to us...
If you rage cap, you probably could have snuck in an IP, but it's also not a ton of value for the rage. So literally only ever IP if you would've rage capped and had nothing better to spend the rage on.
wide pilot
If you rage cap, you probably *could have* snuck in an IP, but it's also not a *...
any examples of when to prioritize ip over everything else?
seems like i get so little absorb for so much rage spent
stark lion
If the absorb would help you survive something and you're not being meleed. Sire Denathrius P1, you could Charge, Charge, Intervene while your other tank was tanking, max out IPs, then do a triple night hunter soak without taking up any healer mana. Even then, the rage was likely better spend as DPS.
Any time you need to soak something, it can be valuable to boost up a nice stacked IP so the soak eats IP instead of your HP. But again, it has to be rage that has nowhere else better to go.
strong forum
I might have missed it but is there a list on ideal anima powers from the m+10 a...
Just test it out, there's nothing to lose
spring holly
oh wow, I have REALLY been overusing IP lmao
strong forum
That's part of the fun
stark lion
I could be way off, fwiw, that's just been my experience with IP.
i.e. Everything you read in Discord is something from a stranger on the internet, and should be regarded as such.
strong forum
IP is a defensive rage dump, mostly used to prevent overcapping rage and for dmg smoothing or when you know a big hit is coming. For regular melee dmg it's mostly a waste to pump rage into IP
Proper usage of IP vs revenge is mostly feelycraft and depending on how much you wanna greed dmg
jagged pier
i know im late to this, but the fact they didnt touch any of our worthless new leggos in the retuning is kinda scuff
orchid frigate
how do you solve the issue with taking aggro over your co-tank when youre not supposed to?
its no fun holding back and i want to dps as much as i can
brittle owl
you either
a. tell your cotank to l2p
or b. start first, burst as hard as you can
that way you generate enough of a delta that it shouldn't be an issue
taunt is essentially a copy/paste for threat +a 3 second fixate
orchid frigate
yeah i usually start since i generate more threat than him but doesn't help in the long run. tbh ive only seen this happen before back when we had TD
brittle owl
what class is he playing
orchid frigate
DK
brittle owl
oof
yeah that's gonna be a challenge to balance out
you absolutely need to start first and he has to not use anything until his first taunt
ensure that the delta is as big as possible
other than that idk what to suggest tbh
brittle owl
still kindof a bandaid fix though
orchid frigate
true
mellow bridge
tell him to stop being a pussy and starting running big dps trinkets 
brittle owl
there are underlying issues with his play that need to be adressed
orchid frigate
hate to tell him to l2p when (besides from the threat thing) he's really good 😄
but yeah, can always mention that when i bring it up
that he's really good but...
median tulip
I might have missed it but is there a list on ideal anima powers from the m+10 a...
In DOS I highly recommend everyone takes the stone ward power that gives you a shield every 45s; it makes Hakkar and Mueh'zela completely trivial
mellow bridge
feel like that's the standard pick for everyone in every dungeon
jagged pier
i havent done HoA but i would probs take the 15% reduced magic damage in there tbh
mellow bridge
you get it really late in there sadly
after second boss
it's nice for us for the last boss tho
median tulip
Mmmm. In DOS you can get all the powers before doing any of the bosses.
jagged pier
ive only done a few dungeons
and failed 2 because ppl still think u have pride and forget some boss actually change without it
wide pilot
so what is the m+ reprisal build the wow head guide is very confusing on distinguishing between m+ and raid
jagged pier
BSC RAV AM
wide pilot
then why am i being yelled at by 2400 io players for using those lol
and healers saying how squishy i am
wide pilot
what keys u doin?
jagged pier
15s/16s
wide pilot
im getting shit on in 13s and 14s
jagged pier
do u have logs?
jagged pier
well i cant tell what your doing wrong without logs tbh
wide pilot
its PF and DoS im strugglin with
jagged pier
i did a PF 15 this morning it was fine 🤷
warlock decided to stand in a tentacle on the last boss and wipe the gorup so we mistimed
wide pilot
are you using IP much?
jagged pier
no more often than i usually do
wide pilot
well i wouldnt know what you normally do
jagged pier
i.e not much
mellow bridge
I've been doing 15-18 and I feel completely fine
in DoS you are probably getting wrecked by people not kicking
especially once they enrage
or you just dont kite properly when theyre all raging
wide pilot
well when they enrage i just run
mellow bridge
75% dmg increase on shadowcores 
wide pilot
in ardenweld i tank fine (obviosuly its all physical) but its the other stuff that just shits on me
i guess im going to have to look at my SW/ LS/Trinket/Rally Cry usage..the only thing i can imagine being off is how those are being used
jagged pier
again cant tell u without logs
limber temple
I got the 226 Decanter Drop the other night. Thinking I might swap it with my 220 Dreadfire Vessel.
Any opinions on that?
wide pilot
actually i have some from the other day i should be able to upload
jagged pier
I got the 226 Decanter Drop the other night. Thinking I might swap it with my 22...
dread is better
limber temple
Thats what my gut is telling me.
wide pilot
@jagged pier how do i get u the log
jagged pier
well first things first your effective shield block is aweful
strong forum
M8 you need to press buttons
jagged pier
should be around 80 with reprisal
strong forum
You're not pressing any buttons
jagged pier
your CPM is low
like really really low
u should be around 10-12 SS CPM
your at 6.6
wide pilot
CPM?
jagged pier
and TC around 10 yoru at 5
casts per minute
your wasting about a 5th of the rage u generate
and u dont generate much because your CPM is so low
strong forum
6.8k rage generated is also insanely low
wide pilot
how u getting the cpm?
strong forum
You're legit missing 50% of rage because you don't press Shieldslam and Thunderclap on CD
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Probably underutilising other buttons aswell
median tulip
You've got unnerving focus socketed, but you only used Last Stand 3 times in the whole dungeon
wide pilot
is the log taking into account the key was 23 mins over time?
jagged pier
yes
wide pilot
so is it adding that into the average of dead time
jagged pier
yer and running etc
but on average thats what u should be at
im at 10 even in horrible runs
cooldown usage isnt the issue your basics are the issues
u need to focus on useing shield block properly for 1
and press your buttons for a second
strong forum
Yea but in a key
That's 23min over time
You should generate way over 30k rage
But you're only at 6.8k
That's an insane survivability and dmg loss
The things to focus on right now would be:
More actively focusing on your rotation and shieldblock uptime
Those 2 alone will change literally everything
analog apex
This is all a very interesting read. Looking at my logs, I need to be better about it too.
indigo sapphire
want to look over my own logs later, so far I have:
80% blocked w/ Reprisal
10-12 SS CPM
10 TC CPM
what's a good rule of thumb for rage generated per min?
wide pilot
Yea but in a key
where are you seeing the rage generation?
strong forum
Resources->rage
analog apex
man, i forgot to change my legendary last night in a 14 Spires and my shield block up time was 25%. CPM of SS 9.8% and thunderclap an abysmal 7%. Thanks for all the insight guys
orchid frigate
anyone sitting on some pug friendly routes for this week?
keen oasis
I have seen some guides recommending Reprisal in raid, how good is it there really?
jagged pier
its amazing
jagged pier
anyone sitting on some pug friendly routes for this week?
run forward thats what im doing and its fine
analog apex
I've been using The Wall for raiding this week
orchid frigate
yeah but im pretty derpy so would need someone to point me forward 😉
keen oasis
its amazing
Okay, doesn't it need a lot of running back and forth though?
obtuse monolith
Charge in on taunt swap. Intervene on melee while tanking.
keen oasis
Hm, alright. First time raiding Sanctum today, so will go with the wall and when I know encounters I might switch to Reprisal.
sick sentinel
yeah but im pretty derpy so would need someone to point me forward 😉
For enemy forces you can just pull the same mob packs as season 1 you just don't have to worry about back tracking or timing Pride. That's what I'm doing until I have time to optimize. Haven't done HoA, PF, or NW yet though
orchid frigate
alrighty
median tulip
Hm, alright. First time raiding Sanctum today, so will go with the wall and when...
That's what I do; Reprisal is better, but requires a lot more knowledge of the fight timings/script to get the most out of it
orchid frigate
watching naowh doing DoS now and it seems like theyre doing a super complex route 😦
keen oasis
That's what I do; Reprisal is better, but requires a lot more knowledge of the f...
Yeah, sounds good then.
Also, people seem to use AM on raid now?
Is Bolster bad or something?
jagged pier
^^
sweet summit
so you dont need the extra block uptime
and am is more dmage
and more damage = good
median tulip
The DOS route I've used is to go all the way around the circle to get 3 minibosses down (dipping into the entrance to the Mechagon to get the one there) and then go and do Ardenweald/Broker first, then Gnomes, then Hakkar
orchid frigate
aha
keen oasis
its not needed with reprisal
and with the wall? Does it make sense to go Bolster, or still AM is better?
sweet summit
boss specific
lost mist
Has the recommended soulbind (kyrian) for m+ changed?
strong forum
Then reprisal came out and wall got thrown in the trash
keen oasis
I ran AM+Wall on every boss until council
That 1 min CD on shield wall is kinda tempting.
keen oasis
Yeah, but like I said, I won't run reprisal on my first run.
strong forum
Weak
keen oasis
Oi!
strong forum
jagged pier
i mean Nomes not wrong
keen oasis
I will see then.
young oasis
S2 affix is great. No need to look at route or try to learn it ever again
brittle owl
Then reprisal came out and wall got thrown in the trash
wall still broken if something like nya ilgy comes along
or any big magic nuke for that matter
strong forum
SW is still only 1.5min CD with reprisal
brittle owl
epic rap battles of history
keen oasis
Also I am curious, how viable is HR right now?
sweet summit
its extremely powerful if you just want higher block uptime
but you lose a good bit of damage and shield walls
keen oasis
I am mostly pondering what to run with the wall at the moment, in raid.
keen oasis
Good to know.
sweet summit
thing is
without the constant SB from reprisal
its way too rng to rely on
so with any other legendary youre better off using bolster if you want more block uptime
keen oasis
Seems safer until I learn encounters, at least.
sweet summit
if that works for you, its good 
timber slate
Whats the effect of the 1handed from kel thuzad?
timber slate
It only says ‘empower your weapon’
sweet summit
spell data indicates its not combat related ive heard
sweet summit
theory is it sheaths on the back/waist
timber slate
XD
RP stuff
Its the sword of thousand truth
Gives us the ability to 1shot everyone
sweet summit
🙏
signal prairie
Are you able to stack the same shard of domination like 5 of the shard of beks or do they have to be all different?
distant crystal
that's like r3 right
sweet summit
ya
distant crystal
mine is 1.5%
distant crystal
YUUUGE
median tulip
What's the % at max rank?
sweet summit
wait that is max rank isnt it
distant crystal
4.5%
Shard of Cor Icon Shard of Cor (Rank 1) — Your damage is increased by 3% for 20 seconds after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
Ominous Shard of Cor Icon Ominous Shard of Cor (Rank 2) — Your damage is increased by 3.38% for 20 seconds after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
Desolate Shard of Cor Icon Desolate Shard of Cor (Rank 3) — Your damage is increased by 3.75% for 20 seconds after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
Foreboding Shard of Cor Icon Foreboding Shard of Cor (Rank 4) — Your damage is increased by 4.13% for 20 seconds after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
Portentous Shard of Cor Icon Portentous Shard of Cor (Rank 5) — Your damage is increased by 4.5% for 20 seconds after attacking an enemy you have not yet damaged.
oh wait
that's pre-nerf
distant crystal
icy veins smh my head
median tulip
I'm just glad I didn't bother skilling up plate chest legendaries to rank 4
modern brook
I'm scared to look at leggo prices
timber slate
Dont look
Glad i bought my leggos before the patch release
Now its double the price
high folio
Glad i bought my leggos before the patch release
same here, i need to remake my wall but i crafted reprisal on boots so im chillin for now.
timber slate
Bought rank 1 and 4 legs
But idk if i should upgrade reprisal or craft elysian might
jagged pier
might is trash unless u pvp
high folio
i dont think elysian is worth using in prot
its really good for arms and fury, otherwise reprisal is infinitely better
jagged pier
no
high folio
no to what
high folio
have you seen the pins? unless they changed like yesterday EM is going to be really strong in keys
ST is a dif story i believe
hollow sun
I think that I will be using my old R3 legendary for a long time
high folio
sinful looks better to me
i wasnt talking about what was better
i was saying its good, plus sinful got nerf batted p hard
safe thistle
quick question a new season 10 would be equivalent to what last season for tank dmg wise ? is it me or its easier
timber slate
Cant use sinful if you’re not venthyr lol
sweet summit
like a 13 or 14 @safe thistle
safe thistle
thnx
inland raft
in terms of scalign ya
high folio
quick question a new season 10 would be equivalent to what last season for tank ...
a 15 is roughly a 17-18 for scale
inland raft
in terms of difficulty its easier imo
safe thistle
i would like to go with 10 first to see the new anima boss thingy
inland raft
the nerfs hit dungeons hard
sweet summit
yep
high folio
theyre really boring and underwhelming
high folio
pride was cooler and more challenging bc routing was MUCH more important
yeah i run my old S1 routes and just tweak accordingly, its not hard
safe thistle
you cant separe good router now from bad :/
signal prairie
What shards would be the best for tanks in general
high folio
on some dungs you can optimize by getting as many powers as you can as early in the dung as possible
safe thistle
ya on plaguefall i would pull the anima guy before the doctor
high folio
in DoS you can have all 4 before you ever fight a boss
inland raft
i mean i disliked pride because it felt like all you could do is different variations of the same route essentially, but this affix isnt much better in that regard and the nerfs just made dungeons boring
i have 0 interest in pushing this season which is a first
usually i love dungeons themost
high folio
the powers are extremely underwhelming atm
i dont see the high end key pushers getting as high imo
safe thistle
which one are good for tanks ?
high folio
the magic damage one is BiS
inland raft
ya but i wouldnt be surprised to see 30s at least id say higher but speculated it caps at 30 based on tourney realm
high folio
which one are good for tanks ?
theres one that gives a flat 15% magic damage reduction and its nuts. otherwise maybe the leech one. none of them are really that great
distant crystal
If people start timing 30's they'll bump the cap
there were some 32's in BFA right
junkyards
high folio
interesting
high folio
i didnt realize they were hammered that hard
high folio
i know auto attack damage took a 10% hit and some of the annoying mobs lost abilities like the black phantoms in SD not dropping pulls
inland raft
im timing keys with me as top dps
high folio
we are having v different experiences
inland raft
as i said for first time i have 0 interest, im prob gonna farm my weekly keys with guildies and thats it
high folio
i have been getting shit tastic dps in my keys and im not good enough at prot yet to consistently do really high damage
i havent mastered the mass pull and blow CD's strat but im improving
inland raft
people complained too much about the requirements to upgrade their gear i guess
high folio
i typically die bc dps focusing on padding and not giving me any cc
who knows man. this is the first xpac ive done keys in since legion so it was really rewarding having to improve as much as i had to to get ksm and time an 18 or two
nothing impressive, but a farcry from where i was
inland raft
i mean last season i only hit 19/20s but i was also just playing with friends and usually above at least one of the dps on the meters, i havnt really pushed keys since bfa s2
but now i dont even have motivation to do that much
dungeons just boring now
high folio
i feel you. have to see if they roll out any changes. these anima powers need to be tweaker, or dungeons need to be harder, or both
plush tendon
Naw, they made some good changes
did a 15 DoS yesterday, Hakkar finally a boss who isnt just a 1 min enrage
inland raft
ya some changes were good
plush tendon
granted, you are right, 15s are shit easy compared to last tier
inland raft
mainly the tweaks to bosses that were overtuned when didnt account for pride
but a lot of stuff was just overdone
high folio
i appreciate some of the boss changes, hakar was a tyrant
one slip up in your rage management and you get walloped for half your hp or more
plush tendon
Hakkar was just not fun
high folio
SR only did so much
plush tendon
Mostly cause of blood barrier
high folio
yeah that shit was ass
the add spam and pools being tossed everywhere when they die
so ass
high folio
yes
glacial ivy
cool
plush tendon
Right now, my favorite dungeons have become NW, SD and DoS
glacial ivy
so best cold server ravager and anger?
plush tendon
so best cold server ravager and anger?
yea, sounds right
glacial ivy
also should i craft in legs rep or boots
sweet summit
legs
plush tendon
also should i craft in legs rep or boots
legs
Unless you really want a pair of air jordans 😛
glacial ivy
kk thx
high folio
so best cold server ravager and anger?
i still use booming voice for on demand damage and rage gen
plush tendon
Yea, with Booming use that shit on CD
high folio
BSC is just damage right? no rage generation or anything like that right?
yeah i do, sometimes on bosses ill line it up when im rage starved to tank one of the tank buster spells
plush tendon
BSC increases the damage of your Revenge
plush tendon
no rage gain per say, but its a lot of extra damage throughout a key
high folio
gotcha
plush tendon
totally worth it with reprisal
high folio
i may toy with it some time just to see how it feels
plush tendon
it feels good
high folio
gonna be weird not having that big rage button to jump start your mitigation
plush tendon
You gain enough rage anyways
high folio
or popping it on a big aoe pull for fatty AA damage
plush tendon
yea, but its hard to line up AA and Avatar+Demo
they just dont line up with the conduit
high folio
yeah ik
it lines up decently well if you have a little down time moving to the next pack, i usually dont have a ton of issues getting them to sync up
varies on dungeon really
sick sentinel
no hotfixes yet for suit case boss yet eh?
or, whats the work around if it's glitched 100% of the time, i saw videos ppl killin it so its possible, seems like they had boomie doing 20k dps
jagged pier
u just burst him down
sick sentinel
so everybody does all the cooldowns and nukes hell out of him?
jagged pier
pretty much
elfin atlas
no hotfixes yet for suit case boss yet eh?
What my group has done and it works every time as a workaround is to have every1 log out of the game and log back in just b4 you pull. No issues with picking up packages from that point on.
sick sentinel
mage suggested tank near the 2 air vent disposal things
and im not certain if that works
Are you guys using reprisal or the wall in sanctum heroic so far?
jagged pier
rep
sweet yoke
for reprisal in raids are you guys macroing it to the other tank or doing mouseover macro? or abit of both? or something entierly different?
sweet yoke
ah ok i will keep to doing mouseover then!
burnt pawn
is it worth to go mikanikos yet for keys? sim wise it should be above pelegos but not sure how it would work in practice
jagged pier
u go mik at 57
blazing condor
Havent tested it myself but mikanikos’ value really comes later at like 57 renow
lavish oracle
it's pretty good in M+ prior to that
the haste from attacking a new enemy's not bad
bron still blows, though
jagged pier
big
jagged pier
the one at the start of SD didnt i ther
lavish oracle
can you snap them?
sweet summit
havent tried that tbh
jagged pier
can i leave the packs around it?
sweet summit
ya
jagged pier
which ones did u do?
lavish oracle
Wondering if you could have a rogue tricks pull one and snap it over
jagged pier
top of the stairs?
sweet summit
thats how i did it
sweet summit
hc leap mid air
jagged pier
thats big brain
burnt pawn
looking at the sims of it i cant really make sense of it. Might be shit sims but this is waht im looking at dmg wise for hectic add cleave
at renown 45
strong forum
what seems to be the issue?
burnt pawn
wondering why not go mik now if the dmg gap is that big
or why that wouldnt be the go to
burnt pawn
alright
burnt pawn
well we dont really talk about necro for keys xd
strong forum
necro is just a huge dps loss for yourself
burnt pawn
yea but its also a huge dps increase for those around you
strong forum
"huge"
burnt pawn
just feels awful to play with
i mean if you run with a venth boomy next week that has leggo
you will see some numbers
strong forum
at this pace, youre better off having a different tank being a bigger dps upgrade for raid than a necro war with glory
chilly brook
If you're really that concerned about overall group dps
Play prot paladin
- you do dumb damage, more than the group would gain from glory
- your covenant ability not only does dumb damage but also is a healing CD
- you can cheese mechanics which means higher uptime on boss for people who would have said mechanic and therefor more damage
modern brook
Yeah but then u have to play a dork class :/
fading dirge
Hey what is a good number I should be shooting for on blocked hits. Im around 75% but not sure if thats meh or decent starting out?
modern brook
w/ reprisal avg about 80-85 is expected
fading dirge
ty
chilly brook
Also really depends on what you're specifically talking about
vernal grove
Is trinket from DoS still gonna be a prime pick up
vernal grove
Whelp took me all last season to get a 220 of it soooooo yeah lucky me
plush tendon
you can also farm it
vernal grove
It's not in my loot table lol
But got shield off Terra H last night so that was nice
plush tendon
Same!
Huge upgrade
especially after trying to face tank it for one melee with SW and last stand up
vernal grove
I have sword from second boss N aswell
sweet summit
anyone gotten KT weapon yet?
burnt pawn
Do you think the taz hardmode trinket from soazmi will be the go to
we dont have mythic+ version of it tho
but it looks insane
sweet summit
it looks solid, but is capped at 233
so id take aegis>scale>first technique in that order
modern brook
Is handmade available yet?
sweet summit
could potentially be a good 2nd defensive option if you need it and dont have al'ar 🤔
yes it is
modern brook
That's crazy
burnt pawn
ahh yea that makes sense then
got my new scale yesterday thank fuck so i dont have to farm it
ill just take the L and uppgrade it :)
sweet summit
jagged pier
Play prot paladin
honestly a BM does more dps than a necro prot in sims
like including the buffs
so if u want to buff the raid go moink
jagged pier
mental scarab
harmonic Crowd Breaker how good is that trinekt?
sweet summit
not great
sick sentinel
I've seen people saying aegis is better than scale? It looks good but doesn't seem to be THAT crazy.
mental scarab
dammit was so happy when i got it O_O
sick sentinel
So it lasts 8 seconds no matter what
jagged pier
no matter what
sick sentinel
ok i see it now
timber slate
Are prot supposed to do more dmg than dps spec?
main wasp
has anyone been able to test if the Blood Link set from shards is AOE or ST?
timber slate
Then i guess the dps ive been with were just bad 😆
unique cloak
@timber slate burst aoe in lower keys you can beat geared dps sometimes
Im averaging like 5.5k overall in keys prot does a lot of aoe damage right now
unique cloak
I have a ton of leech though so idk if its ideal to be revenge spamming in higher keys
I ended last tier with like 7 or 8% leech
nimble laurel
Im averaging like 5.5k overall in keys prot does a lot of aoe damage right now
What level keys?
fringe marten
Actually where the first technique trinket has been shining for me is raids.
at the end of a M+ dungeon it's less damage than a phial, barely more than a 226 sludge trinket...but in raids it's bananas strong.
For it's duration on trash it's small reflects/damage but for it's duration on a boss it's huge reflect/damage (up to it's max) so it's actually stronger on 'stronger' targets rather than more (and you still have to kite sometimes in M+)
But the aegis is super stronk...I needs me that.
How does the damage portion of the aegis work?
strong forum
need to mitigate X dmg with it
then it slaps infront of you
uncapped targets
so on 20 targets it does like 80k dmg
nimble laurel
Do you have the logs?
fringe marten
AH uncapped aoe..the dream~ from a trinket of course LOL.
unique cloak
no I dont log m+
shut summit
do you have a log of that nom, the dmg effect from my aegis is https://i.imgur.com/E6t0FFI.png
nimble laurel
I having to dump a lot of rage into IP on higher keys
fringe marten
The codex of first technique is doing insane things in raid for me..It may be the best trinket for raiding for a while.
proud carbon
do you have a log of that nom, the dmg effect from my aegis is https://i.imgur.c...
I get the same
fringe marten
It's blocking dot ticks from mechanics/etc so not just doing tons of damage but tons of mitigation/healing.
(not blocking..reflecting)
nimble laurel
no I dont log m+
Screenshot of damage breakdown in details maybe?
fringe marten
seems straight forward...1/3 of the 20k to everything in 8 yards. So with a big pull 7k~'ish x your targets.
But I'm betting it can crit?
unique cloak
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1081170948?t=04h04m31s @nimble laurel link to vod of a sanguine 16 I did last night
nimble laurel
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1081170948?t=04h04m31s <@!217015982172930048> link ...
Thanks
unique cloak
most of the time I only IP when i have too much rage or Ill like last stand + ravager IP spam and do like 5k hps on big packs
timber slate
Throw a spear in there and do big dick dmg
clever sable
guys is fae worth for prot warriors ?
plush tendon
I like NF
I also play with a lot of Kyrians, and not a lot of NFs now
but AA is a great ability, soulshape great tool to kite with, two really good soulbinds, and good if you want to play DPS
plush tendon
Korayn is pretty good in M+ cause of the crit, but I did play with Niya last night in a DoS and it was quite good
So either or I would say
unique cloak
I do noticeably less damage without korayn in m+ but both work fine for that. Niya always for Single Target raid stuff
chilly brook
With the loss of pride
chilly brook
Having more single target damage is actually big on tyrannical
3 minute boss fights are kinda aids ngl
plush tendon
Yea, Niyas burrs did a lot of damage in my 15 DoS
felt good
to do meaningful boss damage
Im also interested in some of Niyas traits later; some interesting ones in there
plush tendon
No issues with any of the DoS bosses
but 1st boss SD is a challange
been only doing 15 SDs and DoS as thats all the key weve been getting
jagged pier
pugged 16 SD ealier seemed fine
inland raft
Ya SD seems pretty easy
It was already my favorite dungeon though and now the circle is easier to go big on so just like it even more but maybe im weird since seems so many people hate sd
timber slate
specially when people dont stack
timber slate
whirlwind 
inland raft
Revenge followed by more revenge and when feeling like it a bit more revenge
tardy osprey
Revenge / IP depends on if you need more dmg or survivability
warm furnace
Any of y’all man-moded the full combo on heroic Guardian? Can you do it with just wall + reflect or do you need more?
tardy osprey
Intervene often, something I am bad at, but the more you do it the smoother combat feels
patent osprey
is the play on Tyran AMA
inland raft
Its shield slam on cd, tc pretty often pretty close to cd, revenge as much as can ip to not overcap or to smooth out unblockable damage, we dont really have a filler since we run devastater
inland raft
But revenj goes brr
Also @patent osprey that may be the case but my queen grants me the power of caster lockouts
ebon geyser
Queen is bae, but at Ren 57 blue thighs save lives will be probably better with that 40 s spear 
timber slate
blue thighs?
inland raft
For raw damage probably ao ill def be tempted by those thighs
timber slate
kyrian girls arent thicc
inland raft
But i like aa
So idk
Makes some pretty scary pulls into cakewalks
I just want to date both
ebon geyser
Makes some pretty scary pulls into cakewalks
I missed and love the AA caster interrupt
tardy osprey
I was a die hard spear chucking smurf boy, but recently swapped to NF, and First Strike + AA is sooo much dam
ebon geyser
I am wondering how long will it take to to reach 45 on NF
inland raft
Depends on how much you commit to the relationship
tardy osprey
I did 1-40 in about 8 hours of gameplay
jagged pier
not long u spam PF
ebon geyser
I did 1-40 in about 8 hours of gameplay
What u did, dungeon only
tardy osprey
M0 spam and NF campaign
inland raft
Dungeon and campaign
toxic jungle
Hey guys, is there a haste cap I should be aware of? I currently have 30%, just wondering if it is too much
ebon geyser
But I am assuming I lose all anima
inland raft
39% can start flirting elsewhere but really not a cap really
Haste stonks remain high
toxic jungle
got it cool
ebon geyser
Or will anima reservoir moves
ebon geyser
Ohh ok
timber slate
do you guys use victory rush or its a meme?
strong forum
well, when its available its a good button to use
tardy osprey
I often have "open" gcds, so if it's there I hit it
timber slate
ok, good
fringe marten
oh cool; the visual effect on the 'old warrior' trinket is pretty cool.
Also the icon for it is...as it should be~
desert solstice
strong forum
throw it as far away as you can
ebon geyser
utter useless trash
I know I am
desert solstice
Good to know thank you
tiny wagon
Wat are prot warriors best trinkets?
jagged pier
for what?
timber slate
we want big dick trinkets or defensive one?
ebon geyser
Soul from Silvie is a gr at one and aegis
jagged pier
for m+ u want aegis or blood scale
tiny wagon
for raid
tiny wagon
phial? and OWS? what are those
jagged pier
phial if the dps trinket from PF
and old warriors souls
is from slyvannas
bloodscale is alright in raid as well
tiny wagon
Why would a dps trinket be good for prot Phial*
jagged pier
becuase u dont need defensive trinkets
timber slate
every melee go with phial, i want something new xD
jagged pier
and most defensive trinkets are on use and u only ever want to run 1 on use
ebon geyser
Why would a dps trinket be good for prot Phial*
Also tank have been using dps trinkets for a while now
tardy osprey
Why would a dps trinket be good for prot Phial*
because Blizz is historically bad at making tank trinkets
tiny wagon
Wouldn't a cheat death trinket be better?
tardy osprey
just don't die
ebon geyser
If u gonna die u gonna die no matter what
ebon geyser
because Blizz is historically bad at making tank trinkets
And story
tardy osprey
if mobs die faster you don't need as much healing
timber slate
prot warrior are almost invincible
tiny wagon
talking about raid
strong forum
in raiding you usually dont need defensive trinkets
timber slate
if you die, blame your guildies
strong forum
tanking isnt about being a turtle that only tanks and does 0 dps
if you know what youre doing youre gonna be fine, the only situation where you want defensive trinkets is in high m+ situations or very very early prog raiding when youre severely undergeard
or when you just want to be lazy
timber slate
some tanks can outdps D tier dps specs🤓
fringe marten
They upgraded that blade dancer kit too..so it like..reset when you reset a raid boss? LOLOL
tiny wagon
@strong forum Ye im talking about "very very early prog raiding when youre severely undergeard"
strong forum
well, are you in a top level guild?
tiny wagon
yes
jagged pier
then u should know the answer
tiny wagon
not if ive havent tanked in a long time
strong forum
my general approach is
go max dps until i know i need extra survivabiltiy
not the other way around
tiny wagon
I have the dps trinkets because I am a dps swapping to tank and was wondering what surv trinkets are best
fringe marten
yup, if you're running a cheat death trinket as a tank you are either: on the cusp of a world first kill and think it might help secure the kill...or...a tank who is terrified of tanking and doesn't know what they're doing and is going to suck and die anyway. (in raiding situation)
strong forum
aegis can be good too
if you can get a heart of alar and REALLY want to use it, then sure you can use that too
but there arent many good defensive trinkets besides scale and aegis
jagged pier
my co tank stopped usein heart because he was killing ppl on prog with it
strong forum
i just got the new cheat death trinket and its literally just an ankh
and ill never use it
fringe marten
If you're been tanking in modern wow for a little while you simply realize...it's an easy job, we don't deal with a ton of mechanics for almost all fights; and it's not scary at all...that's why every tank here is always trying to push more dps; we're never afraid of the mob killing us.
chilly brook
<@!192743144276623360> Ye im talking about "very very early prog raiding when yo...
I've legitimately not needed a defensive trinket in raiding so far this tier nor did I even really need one in CN on any prog fight outside of maybe Sire
Defensive trinkets are extremely binary
fringe marten
You die because you don't understand the fight, fail a mechanic..or OTHER people fail their mechanics. Very few fights VERY few, actually test your durability as a TANK if you're geared for it. Mythic sire was the first in like ? 2 expansions/6 tiers?
tiny wagon
Also im venthyr atm just temp tanking till we find another 1
chilly brook
You don't run one until you need one
strong forum
venthyr is alright in raid
chilly brook
And that question of need is answered very quickly
strong forum
you wont magically live a boss because youre a different covenant, so youre safe there
chilly brook
And its answered by just pulling the boss and giving it a few shots
Always default to a more dps oriented build until you can't
fringe marten
Because of how 'important' tanking is..encounters and the tank classes are simply designed to handle the content, simply put. If you do the fight right; don't fail a swap/tank mechanic/whatever..and your ilevel is near an 'intended' range for the fight...you're gonna' be 100% fine.
tiny wagon
yeeee im 222.5 ilvl
fringe marten
Watch limitmax's little video on why tanks burnout /career tanks etc..his little snippet about "you get a beacon and some passive healing and that's it..you live with that" THAT is how little management from healers tanks need to live in MYTHIC progression riading. What does that tell you?
tiny wagon
mythic week is gunna slap me
strong forum
thats.... very low ilvl for someone in a top tier guild
chilly brook
Tanking 16s easily on my 222 Paladin
tiny wagon
Its my tank set
chilly brook
Like legit your play matters the most
tiny wagon
190 ilvl legendary i gotta upgrade that when i get on
tardy osprey
Tanking 16s easily on my 222 Paladin
living in a 16 is more about, "is the group doing the shit they are suppose too" and much less about what the tank is doing
turbid horizon
reactive defense matrix is a pretty pog trinket for m+
fringe marten
Yeah; you play well ...manage your personal defensive/etc right, use right talents for situation...do mechanics right.. You'll feel basically unkillable minus 'that one mechanic' that you gotta' get healed through or whatever (the blackened armor on painsmith..etc)
jagged pier
living in a 16 is more about, "is the group doing the shit they are suppose too"...
not really
chilly brook
living in a 16 is more about, "is the group doing the shit they are suppose too"...
I guess but honestly 16s hit harder than most of these raid bosses rn
jagged pier
i literally am pugging 15-17s
chilly brook
And your play matters a lot
fringe marten
And now I just hold demo shout..shout at him, leap away, hit spell reflect as it lands and now blackened armor doesn't feel worrysome at all.
jagged pier
where the group does nothing
chilly brook
Proper usage of cooldowns etc.
fringe marten
so you find how to manage stuff with your kit...if it's a problem at all.
chilly brook
And now I just hold demo shout..shout at him, leap away, hit spell reflect as it...
Painsmith the meme
fringe marten
From a design perspective I like the fight; really tried to hone in the 'torturer' theme..
chilly brook
Literally the "well I'm gonna twiddle my thumbs while everyone else figures out how to do damage and not get hit by easy mechanics"
fringe marten
from a gameplay perspective...c'mon man you know peoples gonna' just ruin this.
tiny wagon
Heroic SW hurts x(
chilly brook
From a design perspective I like the fight; really tried to hone in the 'torture...
I love the fight design wise
It reminds me of hanz and franz
Just tiring when people haven't figured out how to avoid spikes 20 pulls in
fringe marten
Except hanz and franz was good..and had ABSOLUTE S TIER GOLD STANDARD voice acting.
top 5 ever.
chilly brook
The voice acting killed me on that fight
Seriously though the only thing I dont like one painsmith is the traps
The mines
Everything else is fine
fringe marten
...
mans just said "seriously the only thing on painsmith I don't like..is all the mechanics of the whole fight"
dense jungle
hi anyone knows if soleah hyperlight spark can be spell reflected?
jagged pier
check the sheet in the pins
fringe marten
...I know dude..but it's basically the THING that matters.
chilly brook
mans just said "seriously the only thing on painsmith I don't like..is all the m...
Literally the only thing in the fight called a trap is the mines that leave the DoT and do the debuff
fringe marten
It's why monkey blooded humans...AKA all dps players...go WHA WHERE WH..HERE? HERE RIGHT HERE? AHHHHH BOOM
fringe marten
And then...raid lead puts markers..and they get put on the markers "ok nice..we sho...why are the people with the chains just PVP Zig zagging all through the entire raid trying to maintain their dps uptime and RUINING EVERYTHING?"
dps player: Gets circle of chains around them Same player: I have to move out with this mechanic..BUT what if I just strafe left and right really fast and try and smash my rotation in the MIDDLE of everyone? won't they all move AROUND me?
So is this Harmonic Crow Breaker a better decanter at equal ilevel?
(even if decanter was not good)
lavish oracle
are the plague borers after the first boss back to being rigged or does MDT just have them listed wrong?
fringe marten
in keys under 10...they blow up..anything over 10 (at least the ones linked to the miniboss) blow up
it's wonk AF I don't understand it
distant crystal
@lavish oracle can confirm, they don't blow up
lavish oracle
weird
fringe marten
you would think, the being that created all of existence from a dream while he sleeps..would know this.
lavish oracle
yeah, I knew that much but haven't actually been in there
was confused when it said rigged in MDT, though
fringe marten
you don't need to go in there..you created it. you are already there..and have never been there, in all time lines.
sweet summit
same
fringe marten
maybe just name yourself "regular guy" next time.
lavish oracle
fair
fringe marten
(for those who do not know Azathoth is the being that created literally everything in the lovecraft universe; he is C'thulu's grandfather? He sleeps forever and his dream created all of existence..if he wakes, all existence ends.) Prot warrior channel here to ecukate son.
charred siren
just hit 4,6k overall on a 13 ToP as venth prot lol
charred siren
it do be me
fringe marten
100% real joe biden
sweet summit
thats crazy
fringe marten
WHAT OTHER class do you think he'd play? GET WITH IT man
charred siren
(dont ask about how many times i pressed ignore pain)
sweet summit
how many
charred siren
charred siren
15 times, 15 times too many
vernal grove
okay is there a soft cap on haste?
fringe marten
I hit ignore pain pretty often just because of where it is on my mouse and it's the "oh I have a lot of rage and my hp is down a bit..it's a free heal!"
charred siren
i spend a lot of rage on revenge/condemn
sweet summit
not any achievable soft caps
vernal grove
im sitting at 30%
sweet summit
thats a nice amount of haste
charred siren
would probably play differently if i wouldnt be venth but goddamn does it feel good to press condemn
sweet summit
im roughly around that too
vernal grove
and 15% vers
lavish oracle
@fringe marten I do too but only when I can't cast revenge fast enough to keep myself from capping
sweet summit
too bad its kinda not great :/
charred siren
yeah :( im fury main tho
fringe marten
Naw, it has a diminishing return point that's very high..and the way everything scales; it stays close to linear value for a long time. I kinda' dislike that...I wish the curve gave more earlier in a stat so there was a reason to 'want' to spread out..and get a few % crit, and a few % versa to really optimize...but you don't have to.
lavish oracle
calling it now, they're reverting it to nerf it in a different way
cap on recklessness extension maybe
lavish oracle
lol
fringe marten
Occassionally I find myself kind of being jealous of how DPS really have to watch their gear...but then the rest of the time I realize it's a luxury not to have to do that.
sweet summit
jk i cant ban u
tired cove
What weapon stone are you guys using for m+
fringe marten
A lotta' people here know that feeling of having like a nice helm..with great stats. and then got something from the vault with higher ilevel with crit/mastery and you HAD to put it on....FFFFffff
tired cove
?
lavish oracle
I'm irritated with domination sockets this patch
tired cove
ahhh okay
sweet summit
oil is cool stone is cool
fringe marten
oil, the stone is better for aoe; but it's such a small margin that due to bosses/etc the oil just ends up being better almost all the time.
tired cove
thanks @sweet summit
sweet summit
literally jsut whatever im feeling like doing
fringe marten
free?
lavish oracle
I mean
vernal grove
i cant play fury or arms cause i have no two handers lawl
lavish oracle
Fury is fine with 1h
fringe marten
Same with healing pots..every so often in raid or start of M+ a guildie will say "oh hey can I get some health pots I'm out.." HOWWW???
vernal grove
oh shit forgot about that
lavish oracle
If you're just using it as an off spec, the difference is pretty small, but I'm sure optimally it's like double Jaithys or some shit, this patch
sweet summit
yep
fringe marten
I use them constantly...I have 40 at all times..you barely EVER use them how are YOU OUT? Like ..what? I'm that guy with 80 goblin gliders, 40 pots, stack of all utility pots..etc. Bro wherever we goin'..I got this.
lavish oracle
I keep a bunch of gliders in my bank
usually only a few on me
cba to carry like 4 stacks
fringe marten
and then a stack of herbs...that's the thing I have trouble holding on to. I end up crafting it into pots for busted ass needy whore guildmates. 99% of the time...it's an INT pot.
Our ele shaman and mage always tryin'a dickcheck on details even during progression.
how many people seen this lately? "anyone got any marrowroot?"
distant crystal
i've just embraced the meter whoring
and I have potion bound into my cds now
Out here using int pots on korthia rares
tardy osprey
smartest warrior in discord
sweet summit
i believe it
cunning knot
mighty valley
int pots for gaining weapon skill faster
sweet summit
better than reprisal for damage but worse than seismic for damage
granite plover
What would u prefer more haste or more vers
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers
tardy osprey
haste feels good
ebon geyser
Int pots new pre pots
distant crystal
sweet summit
sad