Which is the same as bolster and the wall
#protection
languid juniper
Last stand is dps cooldown nowx
jagged pier
^^ also that
low fossil
you say AM will reduce SW cooldown to 1:30?
placid river
At which level of renown do we like Mikanikos? 😄
jagged pier
you say AM will reduce SW cooldown to 1:30?
If your running the conduit which u should be yes
jagged pier
At which level of renown do we like Mikanikos? 😄
57
low fossil
guess ill try that
languid juniper
At which level of renown do we like Mikanikos? 😄
basicly when you can get 2 endurance and 3 potency and last row :pepega:
languid juniper
i edited already 
strong forum
The cornerstone is what makes mikan baller
placid river
I'm looking forward to that! Seems more engaging that chasing blue balls 😄
strong forum
Not the conduit choices
languid juniper
bron is fun tho 
placid river
I'm torn between AAF and Show of Force.
blazing condor
I usually pop last stand if its up and not needed in execute phase
Gotta get that pump
placid river
I've disregarded AJ completely
jagged pier
AJ is better than both in raid
placid river
I'm on the M+ wagon for the moment, but I'll keep it in mind
jagged pier
Theres like a .5% difference for AAF 'IF' u keep it up
So SoF probably better
But they are both like a 40dps increase anyways
placid river
Where do you get numbers from?
jagged pier
A man that doesnt have a mohawk
languid juniper
Just make unnerving focus a potency conduit already
placid river
Those are many men!
jagged pier
Sims basically gave us the numbers
jagged pier
Just make unnerving focus a potency conduit already <:copium:839076283467431956>
But our endurance ones are shit as well kek
languid juniper
But our endurance ones are shit as well kek
Yeah but we can get a new one then
jagged pier
Bring back iron madien
placid river
@jagged pier are they published anywhere or just personal?
jagged pier
not published just what im told from our theroycrafter
Who does the sims
And writes the APL
And does all the hard work
languid juniper
Bring back iron madien
wasnt that the shield block refund on revenge usage
jagged pier
Yes
placid river
That dude should get a medal
languid juniper
jagged pier
That dude should get a medal
@ionic fern u have a fan
ionic fern
Huh?
jagged pier
He said u should get a medal for all the work u do
strong forum
If not for mwahi, we wouldn't have Sims since... Legion? Idk when prot Sims stopped being done until mwahi picked it up in 8.0
ionic fern
I almost fell on my bike by accelerating in a corner after rain like 30 minutes ago. So i'll take that medal.
strong forum
:prayge:
ionic fern
strong forum
I almost fell on my bike by accelerating in a corner after rain like 30 minutes ...
A classic
Done that once 5 years ago, I'm still scared of the very same corner whenever I turn there so I go slower 
ionic fern
Jeh. 😂 i diddn't expect it to be that slippery tbh.
jagged pier
When podcast btw?
ionic fern
Also,i feel bad when doing videos or providing feedback to some guides since they always ask for links or what not to promo yourself..like twitter/twitch/patreon and w/e..i'm too boring since i got non of them.
ionic fern
When podcast btw?
Soooon. ™️
strong forum
Soon tm
jagged pier
languid juniper
strong forum
Also,i feel bad when doing videos or providing feedback to some guides since the...
Gotta jump over your own shadow and start something
languid juniper
ppl who did painsmith raznal, do we agree that he can swing a melee before he throws the hammer to the other tank.
Slaming me with debuff still up
jagged pier
I dunno literally trash fight though
languid juniper
well no fight will make it to my s tier list for sanctum beside ner'zhul
ner'zhul is love
languid juniper
I dunno literally trash fight though
i have to agree this fight is kinda trash tho
inland silo
We love spikes
jagged pier
Good idea but trash in practice
jagged pier
Like slyvannas fight thermatically is great u know running up the chains etc, but it sucks espeically with that 30 sec stun which u cant skip
But its a good idea just done wrong like spine of deathwing
inland raft
Whats everyone using as their second potency since not really any great ones
blazing condor
Do we get piercing verdict from somewhere now?
Just new raid?
Sry the covenant conduit i mean
jagged pier
Upgrade guy just upgrade all your conduits that way
Thats what i did
And because its rng
PV was the last one i got to 226
strong forum
Callings I reckon
fiery pendant
is there any info about what anima powers we should take in m+? seems theres a few that make the most sense but wanted to see if there was anything around
jagged pier
The ones that give damage
languid juniper
Barb, uncivil etiquette, crumbling bulwark (or fifth skull if big pull and you want dam), stoneward (or broken mirror)
blazing condor
I tried the aoe-one in a 15 SD and it felt p good
Not sure if its reaaally worth though
Just testing stuff out
languid juniper
yeah prolly, nothing fancy tho
jagged pier
Imma just gunna test and recorded my runs so i can laugh as i cant back peddle anymore Kek
blazing condor
More jakey content pog
jagged pier
I can stresm i guess
blazing condor
it feels kinda weird seeing people with orange rio just cus they got base 15s
jagged pier
🤔
blazing condor
Im already purple/pink just by doing a few dungeons
blazing condor
Im a big m+ player i think its very fun so i was up on that
Also not raiding til today
Too bad i aint got no team tho just my one premade
jagged pier
Got home did 1000 anime and korthia weekly then straight to raid
blazing condor
blazing condor
It was like one and a half hours
Cus of server resets it was up like everywhere
jagged pier
languid juniper
i still dont have it
ebon geyser
My luck on my paladin is pissing me off
last yacht
Is it worth taking 220 haste/vers gloves from the Deaths Advance vendor and putting in the Shard of Kyr i got yesterday over my current 226 crit/haste gloves?
wide pilot
anyone have any tips for the 1st pull in top doing it as a double? the stuff is tearing me apart...i surive it but it takes every cd and leave me with nothing going into the boss fight
jagged pier
Is it worth taking 220 haste/vers gloves from the Deaths Advance vendor and putt...
Umm once u have 3 set probably
Atm on its own not worth it
jagged pier
anyone have any tips for the 1st pull in top doing it as a double? the stuff is ...
Soothe
Thats about it
Inturpt neco bolt
wide pilot
feels like there isnt a lot of room to kite there...if i go too far up the stairs then i los and its hard to get that separation without any slow
brittle owl
with a properly timed leap you can
wide pilot
since im venth i usually get enough to get up there and i have just enough time to door of shadows back across but after that i got nothing unless i get lucky and a group member is far enough that i can intervene to
i mean in a 15 should the pack be dead by then? because it doesnt seem like it ever is lol
jagged pier
Havent done m+ this patch couldnt say 🤷
sweet summit
its tyrann so they should die pretty fast unless your dps forgot to turn on their monitors
strong forum
Shouldn't need to kite 
Yes they hit hard, no doubt about it
But like, no special magic there besides, like jakey said, interrupt and soothe
You wanna kill the bull real quick cuz the raging on there fucks. And the melee guys double rage
I guess yeah, raging makes it fucky
wide pilot
would shield wall be too much for that pull?
strong forum
Na
wide pilot
or should that be saved for boss fight since they cast so much
strong forum
The boss itself is pretty chill and you'll get SW back fast enough
The boss doesn't hurt outside the melee guy chasing you
spring holly
dumb question I know but I feel like the answer has changed from xpac to xpac, does IP work against all damage types like magic damage?
strong forum
It's an absorb
So yes
It always worked against everything
The only pain it doesn't ignore is emotional
jagged pier
spring holly
crisp ocean
distant crystal
hollow sun
Unfortunately no
spring holly
other way around, as the signs would imply
strong forum
= greater than
red plover
I need some advice on which conduit/soulbind.
amber herald
nf's technically better until we get mikanikos?
red plover
The left side is Methods guide to Prot warrior 9.1. The right side is Icy veins
strong forum
The left side is Methods guide to Prot warrior 9.1. The right side is Icy veins
The first one is for ultra wall build
The 2nd one is an offensive build
I mean
Eh
Both are fine
red plover
Ohhhh got it got it
strong forum
It really is just sof vs that new healing conduit
Literally makes no actual difference
amber herald
is this for raid or m+?
I'm puzzled why you'd go for the speed increase in raid, but then again the phial cdr is kinda useless too
red plover
But for sure you wanna have Inspiring presence on your tree right?
amber herald
maybe swap it out for the intervene one depending on the fight
strong forum
You want piercing verdict, unnerving focus, stalwart guardian and inspiring presence
Those ones are the important ones
The rest is quite inconsequential
red plover
Gotchya
strong forum
Ashen juggernaut is good for raiding
hasty crow
Has anyone found a good website for Mythic 10+ routes since the update? I'm wondering about Lieutenant positions
strong forum
No routes, but you can check out tanknotes.com for lieutenant positions
Mdt has it also updated
So you can plan away your own routes!
obtuse scroll
The wall lego is better for raid than reprisal or reprisal is good at both, m+ and raid
Forgot the ?
blazing condor
Reprisal is the go-to
strong forum
Reprisal is better in every case
hasty crow
I see them in MDT. Thanks for the tip. They seem pretty linear to the Prideful routes
strong forum
Wall is just easier to play
strong forum
I see them in MDT. Thanks for the tip. They seem pretty linear to the Prideful...
You have alot more room to work with now that you don't need to spawn prides at specific timings and you can pull the minibosses together with trash
But most dungeons are still pretty linear
edgy geyser
How does the Glory legendary stack up to reprisal? I’m a really big fan of the banner and the legendary sounds cool but I don’t want to be majorly disadvantaged by not using reprisal
ebon geyser
Banner u just have to know who to give it to and how to play around it. Reprisal is charge all the things
strong forum
How does the Glory legendary stack up to reprisal? I’m a really big fan of the b...
In raid glory is what you kinda need to play as necro
But you lose a shitton of survivability
In m+ glory is a no-go
ionic fern
How does the Glory legendary stack up to reprisal? I’m a really big fan of the b...
Let me put it out there:
You can do 99% of the content with pretty much any Legendary.
strong forum
And that, ye
ebon geyser
Nom send some luck my way
ionic fern
And some will strength to me as i try to grind through yet another pointless new area.
strong forum
Sent
blazing condor
HOA timer too tight dont @ me 
even without pride we only had like 2 mins left on the 16 i did
blazing condor
yeah dps wasnt too good honestly
but still
we were fast asf cus people body pulled like crazy so we played like 3-4 packs at once
and actually got them
but idk
i just wanted to fit in my daily HOA rant
craggy pilot
Reprisal still BIS?
craggy pilot
just resubbed, gonna swap to NF i think
ionic fern
"We found that Reprisal too stronk, now grants SB for 2 seconds".
craggy pilot
can i still move Anima by buying things, and selling them in the new covenant?
strong forum
Should be
craggy pilot
didnt it use to give 6 seconds?
strong forum
"We found that Reprisal too stronk, now grants SB for 2 seconds".
Watch them do exactly that after next Monday
craggy pilot
or just make it not give 20 rage
blazing condor
reprisal is good as it is
but unless they fix the issues that the leggo itself fixed for us we will never really get something else
unless the new leggo does everything reprisal does PLUS something else
craggy pilot
did it get easier to switch Covenant or nah?
craggy pilot
ok
craggy pilot
never been NF before
only Kyr and Venth
did M+ get harder? or does it just drop better gear?
elfin nova
A 15 feels a lot harder than an 18 this week
elfin nova
Losing pride and it being tyrannical makes those bosses long
Okay maybe a lot harder is an overstatement
elfin nova
so i should be able to do 10s right off the bat if i have KSM?
Yes. You should try to do a 15 (or multiple) for the vault though
ebon geyser
"We found that Reprisal too stronk, now grants SB for 2 seconds".
You have to charge 3 times before it activates
balmy coral
How good is the new cov legendary for kyrian prot? I have reprisal and I love it, but you never know xD
timber slate
Dps>shield block 
jagged pier
Its about 20dps more that rep
Its really bad
Only really good for pvp
If u want to damage meme go seismic
errant oriole
could I get away with using the wall leggo still vs reprisal?
jagged pier
U can it worse but the easier if the 2
errant oriole
ah k thanks
oblique garnet
U can it worse but the easier if the 2
You good ?
blazing condor
hello i'm a professional stroke translator
"You can. It's worse, but the easier of the 2"
that'll be $100
stark sage
that'll be $100
do you use paypal or DN
blazing condor
those nuts, please
stark sage
jagged pier
You good ?
Never good
blazing condor
stark sage
am i retarded if i keep running to early on painsmith hammer and get stunned going back to the boss
oblique garnet
Run when spikes are up
oblique garnet
Even if it goes against everything you would normally do that works
stark sage
fading relic
tbh there is no reason to greed getting past the spikes
oblique garnet
Its not even greeding
its legit the way you can actually make past them without getting hit
fading relic
its just a risk reward thing
icy halo
Question: Is there a macro that makes me to cast Ravager wherever my mouse is rather than having to click?
tardy osprey
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
icy halo
ty!
tardy osprey
you can do @heavy mirage too and it will drop it on you
blazing condor
i suppose we cant heroic leap over the beam in The eye of the jailer right?
or SR
high folio
warlock gate doesnt work either
glacial flint
did someone testet if "unbreakable will" works with anima in torghast ? so group can perma have it on full group?
mighty path
Hello everyone!
I'm trying to find out how the 'avoidance' stat effects rage generation for prot tanking.
can anyone tell me if it harms rage generation at all? I have 2 helmets that are the exact same just that one happens to also have avoidance on it and want to make sure that the stat isn't a detriment to prot warrior
sweet summit
in retail?
strong forum
Avoidance reduces aoe dmg taken by a %
mighty path
yes retail
strong forum
You don't actually avoid the attack
But parrying or dodging an attack does in fact not generate rage
And rage from damage taken is just 3 per second
Not more
mighty path
hm, so definitely a plus for AoE fights but possible minus for single target
sweet summit
what
sweet summit
it just reduces the damage you take from abilities that have the potential to hit more than one target
strong forum
^
strong forum
It's just free damage reduction, nothing else
sweet summit
^
mighty path
lol, sorry. Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding!
blazing condor
tame jasper
so this week, ilvl at end-of-dungeon is capped at 229, but vault on wednesday will be regular (so 15 = 252) ?
strong forum
Yes
tame jasper
nice
blazing condor
Ah yeah but upgrade to 246 is max then
Forgot that 15s dropped 210
Not 220
Also only 50 people have done pf cus it sucks hehe!!!!
plush tendon
wtf im owning
siq run my dude
timber slate
Best served cold or booming voice for dungeons?
pine phoenix
This one is different from icy veins, its 14 there which gives max item level in vault
timber slate
Yeah, i crafted reprisal
tardy osprey
or run Dragon Roar like a chad
blazing condor
then yes you run BSC 🙂
blazing condor
Good luck!
timber slate
Icyveins says to only use revenge when it’s a free proc
Is it true?
sweet summit
This one is different from icy veins, its 14 there which gives max item level in...
didnt they change that
blazing condor
Nope
jagged pier
i think u should read further down
blazing condor
Make sure you got shield block up and if that's checked you can dump extra rage into Revenge
or Ignore pain if you feel like you need more defense
blazing condor
Good shit
jagged pier
no
timber slate
😐
vale coral
has anyone been able to Heroic leap over the balls in painsmith? im trying to confirm if its possible or not
jagged pier
u cant
timber slate
Its a dogshit trinket?
vale coral
ive had some people say they were able to in the /compwow subreddit
jagged pier
Its a dogshit trinket?
i dont even know what it is so its probably not worth it
deft vortex
there a list of best anima powers yet in M+?
jagged pier
only 2 new trinkets that are worth it and they are from the raid
vestal moat
Ugh our damage in raid is sooo low.
jagged pier
not really
vestal moat
We are the lowest.
jagged pier
i beat my co tank most of the time
timber slate
Same as the one from SD
ionic fern
"All percentile".
vestal moat
up
strong forum
Ah yes
ionic fern
😂
strong forum
Day 1 logs
ionic fern
Best logs.
strong forum
They represent it perfectly
jagged pier
not gunna like 2.7k seems low
vestal moat
it doesnt matter when im saying it's low compared to the top 3 and obviously pally is the outlier
strong forum
We're not saying pwar has good dmg
But it's not the lowest
It will be lowest on sylvanas though
Cuz of no execute
jagged pier
good design
strong forum
That's a solid 500-600dps loss just because the boss is designed like shit
sweet summit
PauseChamp
tardy osprey
is ~3500 a decent zone wide for +15s at around 220 item level?
strong forum
Could be better
jagged pier
seems a bit low
jagged pier
PauseChamp
👀
tardy osprey
cool more revenge spam 😉
tardy osprey
cheers ty
tardy osprey
I know I need to Intervene a lot more, still getting used to it
ebon geyser
I reckon we can break 10k overalls this patch as tank
With that haste trinket
strong forum
Phial is bland, is there really nothing else cool
strong forum
Idk
jagged pier
its bugged?
sweet summit
idk
jagged pier
is anything not bugged?
jagged pier
strong forum
Sounds like my kinda trinket
blazing condor
any anima power in the new raid that is super good for 1st boss?
fringe marten
Only done one dungeon with it so far but I got the 233 tank trinket from HM Taz, and it's kinda' like hungering spike..offensive/defensive same time.
Wasn't as much damage as phial, but had some ok healing done.
It has a lot of stam on it..but no str so it's sadface a bit...if it had str it would be a much better trinket.
Is there any tank at ALL in shadowlands that says "Thank god I got a trinket with lots of stam instead of mainstat" ?? like who did they make it for?
fringe marten
Exactly...like WHY?
In fact when ever..except maybe during vanilla? MAYBE BC? Did tanks say "GOD I wish I had just a little more HP instead of more mitigation/damage..we coulda' beat timed that event.."
crystal nexus
i love having more HP... but armor and mainstat are linked together sooooo damn
fringe marten
Yeah but HP hasn't been a legit stat for survival in a very long time because of how homogenized armor is. Your equipment and class give you the HP the devs intend you to have for the content you should be able to do at your iLevel..hence why we SO rarely even want to use a 'defensive' trinket at all.
vast cape
has anyone been able to Heroic leap over the balls in painsmith? im trying to co...
You can leap over the balls, I've done it multiple times. Not sure if someone answered you or not yet.
fringe marten
If we didn't get more HP per stam..or? some armor didn't have stamina or something...MAYBE you'd care about HP; but you'd care SO much you'd have to use stam flask/trink/everything you could because tanks would be getting dunked constantly. IE why they can't design content like that.
The only problem with leaping over the spike balls is that..as a tank; you're gonna' need your leap shortly after for the thrown weapon mechanic so 😦
vale coral
You can leap over the balls, I've done it multiple times. Not sure if someone an...
Thanks
fringe marten
What does it tell you when someone says "I don't wanna use Phial because..then I feel like every other tank and a basic bitch..I wanna flex and be different" (Inferred meaning of his statement) Too bad bitch...it's the best, suck on it like the rest of us.
I'm not looking forward to farming that zone again either; I'm hoping the raid or tazavesh provided something spicier/better.
At least there's like..one tank trinket tanks actually want; the scale... Too bad it isn't like legion where I really wanted the armor proc trinkets because they were awesome..and make you do more dps =\
Or like the Ocular gland trinket...who's making these trinkets? What is wrong with them.
strong forum
fringe marten
..don't remind me of skyhold... those were the glory days. Thicc viking girls and orbital drops down to azeroth..
Now I have my 'camp' set up in a dead forest and I'm a furry..
fringe marten
I see what you did there champ...
timber slate
Skyhold girls are the real symbols of domination in this expac
fringe marten
I'm sure there's some ladies in this channel but likely too worried to speak.
brittle owl
how do you know i'm not a girl shitposting in male guise
fringe marten
In..? WoD I often did pug heroic raiding (wasn't in a guild) and the premade pug I'd join a lot had a lady tanking, she was a DK. Girl tanks exist they're just not super common.
fringe marten
Because I go with the same thing I go with when I'm playing pool maelkenar..go with the percentages. 100% chance you're a sweaty guy.
brittle owl
@strong forum protect my honor
fringe marten
REAL sweaty!
jagged pier
<@192743144276623360> protect my honor
no your a pink boi
strong forum
I need to come up with something witty
fringe marten
give nomeratur a few days..
brittle owl
timber slate
I thought every girls were healers
brittle owl
honor = unprotected
fringe marten
Yeah but in this channel we protecc so...Maelkenar I'll extend my fedora to you M'lady..
wanton comet
What is the optiomal weapon consumable? Weight stone or oil?
outer bronze
is adaptive or show of force a better 2nd potency for low tar count? 🤔
fringe marten
...it's ? a stone if you're engaging like a ton of targets, but most of the time it's oil.
jagged pier
is adaptive or show of force a better 2nd potency for low tar count? 🤔
ashen
jagged pier
What is the optiomal weapon consumable? Weight stone or oil?
stone for AOE oil for ST
outer bronze
cheers Jakey
wanton comet
stone for AOE oil for ST
cheers
fringe marten
Doesn't it take like...consistent like 8+ targets though?
You're engaging bosses in M+ as well as the last few remaining mobs in a pull all the time; so oil just ends up being the go to.
strong forum
honor = unprotected
I was busy ranting about pwar being cucked dps wise on sylvanas
Literally cucked
fringe marten
Sylvanas fight is tuned FLAWLESSLY stop whining.
fringe marten
POST master fight in Taz, no bugs what so ever...patch rolled out like melted butter breh.
valid glacier
Lol well prot warriors value when up even more. They nerfed sinful even more haha
fringe marten
Anyway..enough fun..back to keys...yay
valid glacier
Kinda sucks tho 😦 why they do that
strong forum
Cuz fuck you that's why
woven bear
I guess the sack loses here, right?
mighty valley
what on earth does priceless mythic mean
strong forum
hardmode tazanasnhdehashzb loot
proven sundial
Alright boys, what anima powers we taking in M+
woven bear
It's nice 😄 apparently the postmaster is bugged and the trash hits like a truck
woven bear
yeah we also just bursted him
but we couldn't click on the bombs
so that's your only choice
woven bear
ah okay
proven sundial
Hard Mode Taz is legit hard though
jagged pier
no?
proven sundial
lol ok champ
jagged pier
like literally doing it a right now
sure wiped a few times but thats just to not doing mechanics
fringe marten
Yeah it's fun..I liked learning it.
But yeah it's not hard, it's just a "ohh that's how we do it..ok"
Except the POST master, if he hasn't been fixed the bombs are legit bugged.
ok so..'the fifth skull' whatever that power is, that pulses shadow damage every 5 seconds..is AWFUL
inland raft
I been taking the vers and stygian ones every time but not really sure what other two is worth
rough egret
Should i fish for the korthian trinket that does cone dmg?
dark lark
Does anybody still have the Conqueror's Banner benefit spreadsheet laying around? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kKlKAK1extJMB4EB3okGJ9jpVZZJE3xQacM9lS3RbWA/edit#gid=1257458573 (hopefully updated)
median tulip
Does anyone know if the Kleia soulbind power "Hope Springs Eternal" affects any raid member or if it's limited to party members?
long drum
Necrolord banner affects whomever is closest not just closest person in my party correct?
sweet summit
any
doesnt even need to be in party
you can buff randoms in oribos for example
its raid too, if that's what you're asking
median tulip
its raid too, if that's what you're asking
Thank you
sweet summit
i was replying to the banner one, i have no idea about that @median tulip
wraith plank
How do I know when to use reprisal vs the wall
median tulip
i was replying to the banner one, i have no idea about that <@!22064947180404736...
Oh
long drum
its raid too, if that's what you're asking
Yeah it was about raiding, thanks for the info
muted arch
archivists rep is more important than deaths advance right?
brittle owl
I was busy ranting about pwar being cucked dps wise on sylvanas
lmao just charge 4head
distant crystal
Mythic Sylv will start at 50%, we're just picking up where we left off in HC
you heard it here first
blazing condor
tfw i get most of my raiding enjoyment out of parsing
ignorance is a better bliss
sick sentinel
what sort of stats do you need in order to qualify as a tank?
strong forum
yes
high ilvl is already more than enough
if anyone tells you otherwise theyre LITERALLY wrong, im not joking
sick sentinel
I'm a level 58 warrior though
and i've been leveling as arms
trying to tank for the last 2 levels
sick sentinel
ok but that's not what I'm asking -_-
I just want to know if I put on a shield, if I'll be okay with arms gear
strong forum
yes you will
sick sentinel
is there a certain stat number that I should have to confirm?
strong forum
nop
its legit just
ilvl > haste > vers >crit/mastery
just equip your highest gear, and youre good to go
sick sentinel
where can i read up on this to make sure you're right?
strong forum
icyveins guide, wowhead guide or pins in this channel
sick sentinel
fringe marten
Also the MAJORITY of classes in game do not adhere to "ilevel is king" stat weighting and parsing is huge for all the dps. (and our dps too, but it's not our primary concern)
I got the shitty high crit/low haste ring from a plaguefall I just did, and the fact that I could equip it over my 226, with 3 ilevels higher but horrible stats..and actually it be completely fine is a luxury most classes don't have.
distant crystal
i will not go grab a screenshot of my 0 vers lvl 50 prot warrior
woven bear
@strong forum Would you say it's worth wearing the sack as a tank? it's like 100 mastery vs. 80 strength or so?
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> Would you say it's worth wearing the sack as a tank? it's...
just sim it tbh
offensively i heard its decent now
woven bear
yeah for dps I can sim it, but I'm wondering if strength isn't better for defense
fringe marten
is that 'detonate' aoe?
fringe marten
or trying to finish cutting edge during a raid tier where the boss actually hits the gym~~
strong forum
yeah but thats not current raid
generally you should always go for max damage, until you need more defensive shit by experiencing it
woeful zinc
Is there info about what anima powers in mythics+ are the best in terms of dps?
fringe marten
Sire and his girlfriend actually lifted... which I respect; I wish more bosses legit threatened tanks.
strong forum
Is there info about what anima powers in mythics+ are the best in terms of dps?
isnt most of the fun figuring that out yourself?
not like you lose anything
fringe marten
Angelripper I'll give you one tip..the one that procs shadow aoe when you fight 5 or more mobs..might wanna skip that one except for some specific zones.
strong forum
youre gonna be grinding keys for several weeks before pushing even becomes a thing
woeful zinc
Yeah, you are right, will figure it out and yes @fringe marten, tried that one and i didn't like it
fringe marten
Yeah it parses Muy Bad...I'm not sure what what Muy Bad means in spanish but in english it means not so great.
strong forum
Socket is worth like 3 ilvl on belt
dark lark
so it's a wash?
dark lark
hrm ok
torn gust
is it possible for a vanthyr tank to do 15s+ :v
torn gust
thanks, thats good to hear.
chilly brook
is it possible for a vanthyr tank to do 15s+ :v
Plka was doing 20s early on in s1 as Venthyr because he raids as a dps you should be more than fine
torn gust
ah sweet!
woven bear
I'm in the mega dungeon hard mode at the last boss and the star gets invisible all the time
do you have an idea why?
chilly brook
Because the dungeon is buggy
Or so I've heard
Idk if that's the boss that's bugged or not
torn gust
ye that place is so buggy
random elbow
Am I a complete idiot or did Blizzard fuck up the Sylvanas p3 platforms so you can't kyrion spear/leap on them at all?
random elbow
Oh fucking lovely
strong forum
A "feature"
Just like in the necropolis in NW. Shit was bugged just like that for months on beta
river escarp
So conqueror's banner isn't placed on the ground anymore right? So is there a range for it?
strong forum
It just picks the 2 closest players kpop
And they keep the buff even if you run away from them
blazing condor
did a mists 17 and got 9 more points than my mists 15
strong forum
The banner itself is just a cosmetic for you
strong forum
did a mists 17 and got 9 more points than my mists 15
<:yep:703420923625078804>
Sounds accurate
river escarp
If we're all stacked, does it pick the healer too?
river escarp
closest ok
strong forum
did a mists 17 and got 9 more points than my mists 15
<:yep:703420923625078804>
You get like 8 points per key level, and then +/- 8 points extra depending on speed
chilly brook
Eh imo it's kinda weird
blazing condor
i dont have any strong opinion whatsoever 🙂
strong forum
If you can time a 15 +3,you get an 18 key
So you should get the same amount of points as when you barely manage to time a 17, and also get an 18 key
chilly brook
If you can time a 15 +3,you get an 18 key
Yes but timing an 18 is a completely different beast than a 15
strong forum
Makes perfect sense
chilly brook
The scaling isn't linear
strong forum
It is
chilly brook
It's not
chilly brook
It's not 10%
strong forum
It's 10% per key level....
If you can +3 a 15,you can DEFO time an 18
This speed component is only relevant for 2 key levels in terms of scoring
If you're pushing it plays no fucking matter
blazing condor
strong forum
its exponential scaling in keys yes
+10% per keylevel
i cant fucking find the tablke
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
strong forum
who cares about 10 - 11
ebon geyser
who cares about 10 - 11
So u are mailing me some luck hmm
chilly brook
I cant find the table past 15
chilly brook
Because ion
ebon geyser
Highest ppl will do is 15, ppl that are masochist go 16 and higher
chilly brook
Highest ppl will do is 15, ppl that are masochist go 16 and higher
I must be a masochist
strong forum
each level
strong forum
im literally breaking my table in half
ebon geyser
I must be a masochist
Yeah. I mean what u get that a 15 won't give u
jagged pier
Yeah. I mean what u get that a 15 won't give u
xtra 229 loot
chilly brook
Yeah. I mean what u get that a 15 won't give u
Making my life way easier to get KSM
jagged pier
and score
ebon geyser
Idk ,never pushed keys hopefully one day
jagged pier
KSM next week
thats the idea
mighty path
I shall just wait for the catchup mechanics to become obsolete!
ebon geyser
I just don't get how some ppl like doing keys. Idk if is because I have never done them or what
mighty path
It can be fun but I think your group makes or breaks it just like with any higher tier content
And if you are pugging…. Well then things happen lol
chilly brook
Idk I've been really enjoying my BrM in keys
Plus I can flex on the nubs with this sick mount recolor amirite @jagged pier
ebon geyser
But like I like raiding not keys. I mean I don't know what a good key group is either
I like the going up on levels like palace in FF
strong forum
so apparently its 8% keyscaling
not 10%
so they went back from their S4 values to original
tepid nest
i feel like a piece of paper tanking the first packs in DoS, and its tyrannical week
strong forum
raging
and its the dos packs
theyre notoriously overpowered
they deal obscene amounts of instant magic dmg
strong forum
no counter play besides not tanking
muted arch
do you guys prefer ravager or into fray for keys
tepid nest
ravager
strong forum
ravager
sweet summit
ravager
blazing condor
how long you guys reckon it'd take to do milhouse wing+boss/hakkar wing+boss/mueh'zala
very easy question to answer obviously
in s1 if you only had the right side of circle + ardenweald to do it'd take like 20 ish minutes and you'd time the dungeon with a few mins left
jagged pier
Mists is umm harder with out prode u can really ferl that lack of damage buff on the first boss
hollow sun
yeah, we decided to got for the boss and failed the 16
jagged pier
But the dps i ran with where a tad low for a 16 i think
6.3k highest
But oh well i learn
And still got my 17 spires for later 
hollow sun
i really miss the pride buff
blazing condor
mists 1st boss is such a big check
jagged pier
I havent got any good powers so far
blazing condor
you always get the same powers tho :0
hollow sun
i think you always get the same ones
jagged pier
Yer and they feel meh
blazing condor
thorns is great, interrupt is good, shield is good, and the vers one is p good
blazing condor
can confirm you always get the same powers from the same guys as well
jagged pier
I dont want defensive ones i wasnt ever in danager the sheild and vers one are just pointless
chilly brook
Mists is umm harder with out prode u can really ferl that lack of damage buff on...
I miss pride on all the bosses in every dungeon
blazing condor
honestly the fact that you aren't bound by pride percentages anymore is great
blazing condor
in DOS you can take all 4 powers - clear out ardenweald
then just invis bosses
the feel of the anima powers are underwhelming at best
not to mention
you gotta click TWICE to choose the power
i really dont get why
hollow sun
that is the thing that tilts me on the most
blazing condor
and Primus talking all the time
hollow sun
why not make them like in thorgast
hollow sun
maybe they wanted to avoid people dying to ground effect cause you click on the power?
IDk, seems like the only logical thinng
chilly brook
But meh the powers i just dont feel
The powers feel pretty underwhelming as a tank for sure
jagged pier
Do the powers change week by week at least?
blazing condor
dont think so
chilly brook
No
jagged pier
Well what a fucking shit season this is gunna be
What happened to the big list of powers or is that just for dps?
blazing condor
its different for different roles
jagged pier
What absoulte dogshite honestly blizz has potential to be fun
blazing condor
to be honest though Pride wasn't exactly diverse either in any way. But it felt better to get to use
or more impactful etc
jagged pier
Uer but imagine if the power just changed every week or the mob where random every week so u never knew which or what power combos u would get like torghast but oh well i guess i was thinking blizz might actually do something fun
chilly brook
@jagged pier heres to hoping they add more powers during the season
Remove the crappy ones
Doubt it'll happen though
jagged pier
Nah ive lost all faith living on pure now
jagged pier
Goodnight my sweet prince <@179993058186625025>
Nn u beatiful man you 😘
chilly brook
patent osprey
Man, I just spent the last 3 hours route making ^.^ s2 is looking fun
gloomy cradle
pls share ❤️
short kiln
go to his discord. 🙂
gleaming oracle
Just pugd my first mist16 for the season 😀 so happy!
patent osprey
all on my discord @gloomy cradle pastebining took forever T_T
short kiln
People's Champ Plka
gloomy cradle
all on my discord <@!347095889665458176> pastebining took forever T_T
oooh juicy can you dm a link?
to discord
gloomy cradle
People's Champ Plka
forreal
short kiln
I got you
livid finch
I would like a link too please
short kiln
sent!
celest glade
Is it better to use both charges of Shield Block at once or one and then the other when it's about to fall off?
mossy peak
they stack
and also stack with reprisal
so that's only a question of rage expense/management
celest glade
So like when I'm pulling a pack in m+ do I wanna use them both up front and then start doing damage and stuff or one charge, do some stuff, then the next charge, etc.
mossy peak
if you're in m+ you likely are using reprisal and have shield block immediately
but again
it stacks
it's up to you
spend your rage how you want as long as you get the uptime
and you should keep a charge on cd
celest glade
I don't have it yet I'm just tanking offspec and don't have the soul ash yet
Ah okay thanks
mossy peak
whether you spend them both immediately or space it out is the same result
celest glade
Cool cool
inland raft
Dont overcap block uptime (18s) and dont overspend ie spend when pull is over or if kiting and not actively blocking, past that doesnt really matter how you spend charges since they stack additively
wraith plank
Asking this again cuz I got no answer. When should I use the wall vs reprisal? I'm not entirely sure on the best times to use each
steep wraith
Dont overcap block uptime (18s) and dont overspend ie spend when pull is over or...
You can't over cap block uptime though?
mossy peak
Asking this again cuz I got no answer. When should I use the wall vs reprisal? I...
the wall = shield wall, reprisal = shield block
shield wall blocks single moments of large damage
shield block mitigates constant damage
the kind you take while actively tanking
if you are going to be actively tanking for most of or an entire encounter
such as trading between the boss and adds, or holding a single target the entire time
reprisal should be your consideration unless its movement requirement is impossible
if you are going to be actively tanking infrequently and it is more important for you to mitigate large hits more frequently
you would want to use the wall
and remember that survival is your first and biggest duty, but if you haven't unduly taxed your healers, you can't oversurvive
mighty valley
from what raiders have been saying there isn't really a bad fight in sanctum for Reprisal?
so it basically comes down to: use reprisal all the time if you're willing to find the spots to charge/intervene
quiet crane
There’s nothing currently that makes use of the wall outside of personal preference and even then it’s greatly outweighed but reprisal
wraith plank
Thanks everyone. What about for m+? Reprisal?
mighty valley
Yep, always
well, until you no longer care about survival and just want to pump damage
then Seismic
mossy peak
reprisal gives everything you want and more in m+
you are the only tank and it gives you high shield block uptime, it gives you block and revenge immediately on pull to not die and establish threat
and you can easily weave it while naturally kiting and positioning mobs
a++
lavish oracle
Elysian Might's probably the way to go for ST damage, right?
young oasis
we are doing 15 this week?
sweet summit
Yes we are
sweet summit
Elysian Might's probably the way to go for ST damage, right?
Youd have to sim it, im not sure
high folio
once i buy the torghast xmogs can i sell the actual pieces?
sweet summit
Ya like 150 gold or something
high folio
okay dope
spring holly
random question, did they put an extra add in the first top boss?
some dude came out throwing stuns and doing huge damage and holy fuck I don't remember that add at all
winged wharf
That's the +10 affix...
spring holly
nah I just started this warrior for 9.1 so I was only in a +8
mossy peak
was it your +8
there is/was a bug with keys being lowered
where it would keep the higher affixes
high folio
are you talking about the little rogue thing that has to be stunned or whatever
mossy peak
oh that guy
mighty valley
they reimplemented the rogue add from the first boss fight that they turned off early in s1 because it was buggy
mossy peak
yeah they added it back, it was there at the beginning of 9.0
mighty valley
it seems consistent now, used to just not show up most of the time lol
high folio
how do you get rid of it now? ider
mossy peak
the old one you could just stun it
dunno about the return yet but i assume it's the same
spring holly
@high folio yes, ok didn't know it was a bug that got fixed that makes sense
yeah we stunned it and it was fine, just caused a wipe the first time because everyone was very confused
high folio
lmao rip
spring holly
wasn't even that hard as much it was just everyone going, "I've done this dozens of times, am I going crazy?!?!"
high folio
its like that thing that used to be really good at but cant remember for the life of you how it works lmao
fringe marten
Thanks sylvanas...I didn't want a shield anyway. (got old warrior soul trink..eh? seems ok?)
spring holly
warriors soul is BiS I think
fringe marten
yeah it's str+ high haste
so pretty good as a stat stick style trink
But boy it takes a while to get those stacks, 20 sec per 40 haste, so 100 sec of combat and you get 200 haste. (on normal trink)
unique shale
But boy it takes a while to get those stacks, 20 sec per 40 haste, so 100 sec o...
then you just make sure you never going out of combat
fringe marten
oh shit..galaxy brain moves~
We are a WARrior right?
why WOULD we ever leave combat?
I NEVER thought of that.
unique shale
brave jetty
on Kyra - is Unending Strike a cone or something?
I'm randomly getting stacks as the offtank when I don't have her
it's happened even when I'm behind her for the unending strike
fringe marten
This tazavesh trinket putting in WORK in raid though; like 5% or so of damage, solid healing.
we proggin' painsmith atm.
I'm liking this trinket more and more
fading dirge
75% blocked hits, where should I be?
inland raft
low keys can be fun, 11 top
timber slate
low keys can be fun, 11 top
proper dock
Might be a silly question, but anyone know the haste break points for prot warrior?
fringe marten
There isn't one..it's our best secondary stat and more of it means more uptime on block and better gcd throughput, and we are a gcd capped class so it's a big deal
cinder nova
idle urchin
Hey all, is there a guide or infographic yet about the Anima Powers for the Tormented affix? I can't seem to find one that has current info and which powers the LTs drop for each spec and which ones are great/bad.
idle urchin
Tyty
brave jetty
really though - is The Nine bugged? I'm 100% getting stacks from Kyra when I'm not tanking her sometimes
infrequent but it's happened like 3-4x tonight
quiet crane
Honestly the only power worth anything is the Stygian barbs the others arnt so great except the possible health shield absorb one
ember lodge
is IQD worth using?
plush tendon
Do the powers ever change for tanks?
carmine prawn
Do the powers ever change for tanks?
Standard picks, no randomness so far
plush tendon
😦
I was sort of hoping week by week we’d have new ones
But I guess tanks can’t have fun
obtuse monolith
But I guess tanks can’t have fun
They don’t change for anyone afaik, DPS or heals. Group comp and affixes might change what you want to pick tho.
plush tendon
But can’t dps get a volcanic one this week?
covert rivet
really though - is The Nine bugged? I'm 100% getting stacks from Kyra when I'm ...
Did you use intervene? It gives some debuffs to both players
brave jetty
Oh fuck, that's it
obtuse monolith
It’s role based. All DPS gets same 3 choices per miniboss. Tank gets 3 choices. Some are same as DPS but not all
brave jetty
I use it on CD because of leggo.
covert rivet
Yep, need to be careful with debuff attacks
brave jetty
I thought I was going crazy lol
stoic igloo
But can’t dps get a volcanic one this week?
yes they can
flint tiger
how d ecent is the reactive defense matrix for M+?
is it just one attack that gets reflected, or is it like a series of attacks for X amount of time?
smoky wave
Snagged the aegis trinket from the nine (normal) last night. Not tried it yet but it looks good. Is it?
strong forum
It's the best
flint tiger
same with reactive defense matrix, or is it hot garbage cause it literally reflects one hit?
smoky wave
It's the best
Legit? Does the reduction apply after block? Cos that's 8 seconds of virtually no damage right?
lavish oracle
Anyone know what the Sanctum k value is?
compact pulsar
This is a bit of a basic question, but i have problems keeping the mobs stacked together... sometimes i even lose aggro of meelee mobs, then all mobs run around freely. Its even worse with ranged mobs which i cant pull together. Do you mighty tanks have some tipps for this? 🙂
eager iron
This is a bit of a basic question, but i have problems keeping the mobs stacked ...
How is your gear relative to the group? Also with reprisal you can charge in and instantly Revenge. Additionally throw Ravager mid charge.
blazing condor
If youre kyrian you can ravager>charge>revenge>spear and you will never really lose aggro
eager iron
A mistake I made when I was new was dumping rage into ignore pain. Instead try dumping it into revenge. Once I started casting more revenge my threat issues went away.
analog apex
Hey all, currently I am playing a Kyrian prot warrior, but I have been thinking of going Necro to buff the DPS in my raid. Is Kyrian really that much better than Necro? I feel like there are less debuffs to use Phial for in this tier
mighty valley
who care do what you want
jagged pier
and u loose a lot because u ahve to drop reprisal
but u can do what u want u can be any covenant u like
🤷
analog apex
Just thought id ask. Spear is fun for sure.
peak patrol
venthyr cov feels the worst though, i'm on venthyr because i'm playing fury with prot OS
jagged pier
its also ass to play
peak patrol
the condemn doesnt do much in M+
jagged pier
lul just roll away they nerfed sinful
and u can execute on slyvannas may as well be NF
compact pulsar
If youre kyrian you can ravager>charge>revenge>spear and you will never really l...
will try that! thank you so much in advance!
compact pulsar
A mistake I made when I was new was dumping rage into ignore pain. Instead try d...
But in all guides there is a point that you only should use revenge if its free, right?
jagged pier
no
icy veins doesnt
if u actually read it ppl read the first time its mentioned then dont bother reading on
revenge is are dps ability
blazing condor
It’s quite easy actually - when you got excess rage you have two options: Revenge or Ignore Pain. Most of the times you will use revenge for extra damage, but if you need the extra protection or smooth damage intake, like if its heavy magic damage for example, then you put it in Ignore Pain
Revenge is cast very frequently even without procs because of this
And is our top dps in dungeons
primal nimbus
When I run dungeons I usually only press IP if I'm going to overcap and am global locked, or if I'm dry of defensives and need to smooth the damage.
blazing condor
IP is very feely and depends on your preferred playstyle
So there’s no hard rules on when to press what
Just gotta feel what you like the most
smoky wave
What's IP?
spark jasper
Ignore Pain
timber jasper
Because he is raiding main dps
mighty valley
if you're hot and cool enough you can be whatever covenant you want and do anything
crimson furnace
perfect