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cinder nova
So it's a cleave trinket. How long has it been meta?
strong forum
Since beta
jagged pier
Since launch
cinder nova
I wonder if it's worth setting down my 226 Scale to go get one.
strong forum
I feel like you're misunderstanding something here
It's a good trinket
But not better than raid trinkets offensively
Except spike
Or the other one
cinder nova
Memories?
strong forum
That sins of the past thingy
cinder nova
So it's doo-doo ST, but giga in M+/cleave situations.
strong forum
So it's doo-doo ST, but giga in M+/cleave situations.
No
cinder nova
I run scale because I'm a scared baby bitch and I like the barrier as a bail-out for when I stand in traps in SD like an absolute mong.
strong forum
Idk why jakes makes that shit up where its good in cleave 
cinder nova
Although it's funny to watch my Hpal get one-shot in +21s
jagged pier
I didnt say it was good in cleave i said it was good in m+
Which is the only place i use it
Ive got more out of other trinkets in raid
cinder nova
Isn't M+ basically Cleave: The Content?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
No
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Phial does like 300 dps on 2-3 targets
cinder nova
Even in like... double-pulls and shit? I would think decanter would do more
strong forum
Hymnal does 120dps period
Regardless of targetcount
Decanter is equal to hymnal in aoe
cinder nova
Wait... what. But my 226 Decanter was doing more than my 220 Phial back when I was pushing like 17-19s
In overall
strong forum
How
jagged pier
Must have been some lucky procs
cinder nova
๐ค ...so am I a stooge for running Scale and Heart?
strong forum
You're a baby
strong forum
I did run scale in keys I hadn't done before
But I wouldn't run heart for the death of me
cinder nova
Everything just feels like it hits like a mack truck
Even with wall and block up
Only time I can legit just stand my ground is during Ashen
jagged pier
True but ive done 19s and 20s i would run phial and hynmal or if i didnt trust healer scale, but i would never play heart i mean i dont have it but i play worth with a safety net
jagged pier
Only time I can legit just stand my ground is during Ashen
Eh?
U should be fine to stand still
cinder nova
Ashen Hollow. My team runs Hpal.
Half the time I get absolutely rocked even with block up
jagged pier
Yer i know the eh is for why u only standing still then
cinder nova
Because I'm usually kiting between our CDs.
cinder nova
Usually in the open, shockwave, keeping stuff in my AA/Rav by kiting circularly, Revenge during Trees/when I have big defensives to just sit and bonk shit, but that can vary pack to pack.
Like, I'm not gonna sit there and try to tank +21 Shadow Ghouls in SD to the face once my CD's drop.
The claw damage is just apeshit.
strong forum
That's one of the situations where you don't tank ever
cinder nova
I can sometimes get a cheeky lineup and double reflect
strong forum
Those mobs are untankable
cinder nova
Don't they claw the nearest target if you aren't there?
cinder nova
That's my big issue, I need to figure out what mobs slap their bullshit on the nearest melee over the tank if they aren't in melee.
strong forum
Well... You've run more keys than I have
cinder nova
Also more than a couple times the stoneborn sliced my Hpal while I was standing right on top of them during trees
jagged pier
Just stun sinc and SR the shadow ghouls 
cinder nova
I don't think Shockwave lines up claw like it does the etherdivers
jagged pier
It does
cinder nova
I've tried that and usually one of them is off-kilter
It's definitely nowhere as consistent. The Etherdivers I can do it easily every time
I've yet to get a perfect reflect on three ghouls
strong forum
Ghouls are omega fucked with lining up their claws
cinder nova
Then again, I may be doing it wrong.
cinder nova
I usually wait for the first one to get close to .5s-.3s to finishing claw
then shockwave
And then I put up SR if I see more than one lined up
jagged pier
Ive had it a few times ๐คท guess im lucky
cinder nova
Otherwise I just demo or wall and take it to the face and start kiting
Also, no way I've done more keys than you Nom ๐ค
I'm a literal mong
Like BARELY clawing into 2400
cinder nova
I'd have to check mine. I just know my counts are pretty low for my rank.
I think I have like ~120 total
Between everything
Maybe 150. Math is hard.
strong forum
I stopped doing keys 4-5 months ago
Literally everyone has done more keys than I have
hot oxide
i stopped playing 4-5 months ago. I'm hoping 9.1 is the come back
jagged pier
Its not
cinder nova
The only reason I even keep heart is because it's saved so many of our runs.
warped wren
best soulbound for defensive raid still palegos ?
strong forum
Yah
jagged pier
Shouldnt be relying on heart in 21s to save your run ๐ค, unless it applys to the pin about it
cinder nova
Usually Heart will proc because the Hpal doesn't have any CDs since Venthyr Hpal is โฟ outside of its CDs.
And sometimes that overlaps with a lack of kite and CDs on my part.
And I'm just out of everything
Even pots/cookie
Not even scale
jagged pier
Then that doesnt apply to the pin
cinder nova
But that's what I mean, it procs like 2/3 times a run depending on how smooth things go. Should I not be using it anyway?
jagged pier
U shouldnt be proccing it read the pin about it sounds like your hitting number 2 not 3
To me anyway
strong forum
2/3 procs per run ๐ฐ
jagged pier
But i dont like cheat death trinkets they breed bad play
strong forum
die like a man
calm obsidian
Heart is a pretty huge safety net in m+. There's a reason most good tanks run it
strong forum
and play better next time
jagged pier
^^
cinder nova
tbh I don't play like I have a safety net
I usually am scrambling to stay alive at like 7K HP and realize I have trinket after it procs
Because I'm a moron
jagged pier
Bard most top tanks run it because the content requires them to run it
calm obsidian
yeah obv you try to not proc it. But if you do then it just saved your ass
calm obsidian
I mean most people are going to find great use out of it in 20+
jagged pier
Thats poor use
cinder nova
I think I need to just start kiting earlier.
jagged pier
U shouldnt need it in a 20
wet compass
no lol
jagged pier
I dunno i run 2 dos trinkets in 19s and the few 20s ive done and ive pugged them
Been fine
๐คท
jagged pier
Im not saying that
strong forum
not enough to validate using a trinket that shouldnt be procced in those keys
wet compass
yeah when hymnal gets an ilvl bump it's going to be sexy
calm obsidian
i think that's dumb
wet compass
If you are in a set group you won't proc cheat unless it's planned 99% of the time
so increasing your damage makes more sense
calm obsidian
that's not true tho, you proc cheat al ot of times when things go haywire
it keeps the run alive
it makes things more stable
strong forum
it shouldnt go haywire
wet compass
that's not true tho, you proc cheat al ot of times when things go haywire
things shouldn't go haywire in a set group
jagged pier
In a pre made that shouldnt happen
calm obsidian
but if it DOES because it oftend DOES go haywire
wet compass
now if you pug that's a different story
calm obsidian
even in a set group
jagged pier
Hell even at a pug at 20s it shouldnt go haywire
wet compass
Then your set group isn't very good
jagged pier
Your in control of the group
calm obsidian
you guys haven't played enough in 'set groups' then apparently
jagged pier
U set the pase and the tempo and cover mistakes
wet compass
or at least isn't consistently good
strong forum
you dont plan around mistakes
calm obsidian
if you think things alwasy go smoothly
strong forum
you just dont
jagged pier
A good tank will cover mistakes without ppl noticing
strong forum
if you plan around mistakes, you are already setting yourself up for failure
wet compass
Dude if you plan in a good group yes they go smoothly if you plan for people to fuckup then you haven't planned enough backups to stop the fuckups
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
yeah and then you deserve to die
jagged pier
They would agree with Nome there
calm obsidian
or you can run a little safety net for basically 0 dps loss?
wet compass
even in the top .00001% groups
Thing go wrong in a 30 not a 20
calm obsidian
like every single top tank?
strong forum
bro
wet compass
Top tanks aren't running those in 20s
strong forum
we're not talking 28s
jagged pier
We are talking 20s
wet compass
With a set group you shouldn't is the point
strong forum
yeah, and they will continue having a hard time if they dont play better
calm obsidian
to poeple trying to get into the game
wet compass
No they aren't
jagged pier
And cheat death trjnkets wont help ppl improve
So they will always struggle with 20s
strong forum
just like S4 vers stacking bred shit tanks
wet compass
If people are trying to get into the game IV exists for a basic grounding also known as the easy mode section
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
because they had 230874921389712 safety nets
wet compass
wowhead guide as well
strong forum
you dont learn the game with having training wheels on
wet compass
class disc are for more in depth discussion
calm obsidian
i think you guys are thinking about this wrong tho
wet compass
Also yeah stack TD and obliterate things fuck the vers stack
silver sedge
hello is banner fixed yet
calm obsidian
half you guys giving information don't even push keys
strong forum
hello is banner fixed yet
no
silver sedge
F
wet compass
half you guys giving information don't even push keys
A 20 isn't pushing is what you aren't getting
calm obsidian
yes and some of the yellows say they stopped playing months ago
haven't even been doing 20s
let alone higher
wet compass
okay let's think about this logically bard
strong forum
love that dumb argument
wet compass
They stopped playing months ago after doing 20s without a cheat death trinket in worse gear
Why would that suddenly make you need a cheat death in much better gear ...
calm obsidian
logically why would you not want a cheat death if the extra dps trinket literally doesn't affect the outcome of the key
in 99% of situations
strong forum
because again, safety nets dont help you become a better player
wet compass
Because damage makes the run go faster like waaa?
strong forum
they make you a worse player
calm obsidian
Or they give you extra strategic options
you can proc and do stuff you wouoldn't have been able to do
it's super important
wet compass
Again if you are using a cheat death prior to at least a 25 as a strat you need a better group
wet compass
it is though
strong forum
if you need a cheat death for content that other people can do with their eyes closed, then idk man
wet compass
a cheat death covers for you fucking up
or for your group fucking up
stop playing with training wheels and you will get better faster
calm obsidian
okay let me just go jump out of a plane without my parachoute because that one lady was able to survive
strong forum
"let me jump with a parachute from a 2m ledge"
thats what using a cheat death in a 20 is
plush tendon
I think what Nom and company are getting at is that the cheat death trinket isn't a tool you should use as a 'just in case'. You should be looking to play properly and not rely on a safety net; in the long run it is only hurting you and providing a false sense of saftey.
jagged pier
Well that analgy is bad because more than one tank does 20s wiyh cheat death
calm obsidian
go look at all the tanks pushing and count the cheat death trinkets in their runs
they're all wrong i guess
plush tendon
go look at all the tanks pushing and count the cheat death trinkets in their run...
Dont look at the top end; they are playing a different game
calm obsidian
it's not even just the top end tho
jagged pier
Again we arent talking about pushing tanks we were talking about 20s
strong forum
if you need a cheat death for content that other people can do with their eyes closed, then idk man
calm obsidian
like the way you talk about this it's obvious you don't know wtf you're talking about idk what to say
you don't push
this has just become an ecochamber
strong forum
of logic
jagged pier
I pushed to 19s and 20s didnt use heart once and that was months ago
calm obsidian
cheat death trinket is really fucking good
plush tendon
At the end of the day, you can make the decision for yourself, however we are recommending that you dont use the cheat death in situations that dont really call for it
wet compass
cheat death trinket is really fucking good
No it's not except for actually pushing. You can do w/e you want but you are hindering how fast you get good by playing with training wheels especially if that is proccing multiple times per dungeon
jagged pier
Honestly in out but if u think cheat death is a good you arent going to improve as a tank, anyways im out
calm obsidian
just don't use shield wall either. You dont really need that in 20s either
plush tendon
and that adding a Phial for the extra 6-7% more damage would be better
strong forum
just don't use shield wall either. You dont really need that in 20s either
there is no opportunity cost associated with using SW
you dont lose anything
plush tendon
just don't use shield wall either. You dont really need that in 20s either
There's no opportunity cost to using SW. There is opportunity cost with cheat death trinket
strong forum
youre playing your class well if you use your CDs frequently in the correct moments
wet compass
1 use of sheild wall a dungeon
jagged pier
Kek
calm obsidian
You can play well without the trinket. But you can also use the trinket to protect yourself for very little downside
in content that you find challeneging
whetehr that is 20 or 24 or w/e
wet compass
You can play well without the trinket. But you can also use the trinket to prote...
6 to 7 percent damage loss over a dungeon is a fuckton of downside
plush tendon
Or you can use a haste trinket, a phial, or any other number of dps trinkets
jagged pier
I play worse with a cheat death trinket
calm obsidian
it's less than 6 to 7 % it's like 2 out of 5 people
wet compass
it's less than 6 to 7 % it's like 2 out of 5 people
what?
plush tendon
we talking about damage increase
calm obsidian
it's like 2% extra dam to run a dam trinket seriously
amber herald
I use cheat death because my healer's cat turns his computer off 
is that acceptable
sweet summit
wet compass
it's like to 6 to 7% for phial it's stupid strong and until it's nerfed will be required to farm every damn tier
wet compass
so who is looking forward to healers crying about never getting to drink when we chain pull to keep OWS up ๐
strong forum
thats gonna be the biggest mindfuck for a lot of healers
actually getting oom
and needing to drink
jagged pier
Healers go oom?
strong forum
real healers do
wet compass
Or the next affix buff that gives them infite mana
is there one?
jagged pier
Yer
tardy osprey
Phial from Plaguefall ya?
strong forum
ye
plush tendon
yep
jagged pier
Frequently spawns orbs around the that give mana @wet compass
wet compass
ugh I'm going to route to that boss as soon as possible once I get ows
I should actually read about the anima powers bs
plush tendon
The struggle between tanks and healers; tanks want to googogogogogo, healers are like 'stop! my manaaaaaa'
jagged pier
Well thats thanks to bliz and there new drinking policu
Policy*
Slow at first
Like no drinks like that in real life
tardy osprey
I just got a Blood-Spattered Scale last week, and it is a really nice extra defensive to have. Does it hold up in 9.1?
amber herald
nelf gonna be bis again
jagged pier
I just got a Blood-Spattered Scale last week, and it is a really nice extra defe...
Aegis is a better blood scale
cinder nova
Depends on what you're running it for.
ebon geyser
Are we destroying m+ elitists
https://c.tenor.com/_0cv0UNf6TYAAAAM/bill-hader-watching.gif
tardy osprey
I don't tank in raid, just M+ and after just having Blood-Spattered Scale this last week, I don't want to give it up
hot oxide
nelf gonna be bis again
o.O
wet compass
Well u need to raid for sockets though
also for OWS who doesn't want what 250 static haste
hot oxide
shadowmeld drink
ahh
jagged pier
Tbf i want communist sword and its for dps 
wet compass
Tbf i want communist sword and its for dps <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Communist sword isn't for prot though?
plush tendon
I want all the loots from the raid
especially the mog... I cant go another tier with no tmog
amber herald
the one hander from the mega dungeon looks pretty cool
wet compass
I'm getting communist sword and smacking people in pvp with new gurth for sure
wet compass
the one hander from the mega dungeon looks pretty cool
you mean the one that stuck at 233 in hardmode?
jagged pier
Communist sword isn't for prot though?
No its the 2 hander, eat other swords look at the tooltip
Everyones sword is my sword communism
wet compass
No its the 2 hander, eat other swords look at the tooltip
I know
That's why I was saying why talk about it in prot chat
Also my communist sword is only eating bows and daggers
plush tendon
mine likes fist weapons
jagged pier
Communism is for everone not just2 specs
sick sentinel
is 52 % shieldblock uptime in a halls of atonement considered trash
sick sentinel
blocked vs unblocked u mean, right?
jagged pier
Yes
sick sentinel
under which segment do i check that on details
jagged pier
U dont u need to log
wet compass
transmog
Oh it's a wavy sword yeah that's cool https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=185824/blade-of-grievous-harm?bonus=6805
plush tendon
under which segment do i check that on details
gotta use Warcraft logs
great tool to help improve your M+ performance
jagged pier
And raid
plush tendon
and also lets the bois in here look at what you did and give good advice
jagged pier
Not just m+
plush tendon
rather then the usual 'Check Pins'
strong forum
are you a different twinblade ?
cuz like
if youre the same twinblade, then i feel like you should know logs
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
strong forum
sick sentinel
plush tendon
strong forum
cuz i know you were a pumper in bfa
sweet summit
sick sentinel
cuz i know you were a pumper in bfa
sick sentinel
ah damn we did ?
strong forum
ya was ML i think
sick sentinel
fair enough man i boosted alot in BFA
never as tank but
time to expand ya know
nice meeting someone of the homies here tho, didnt expect it
sick sentinel
for me this site is majority USA
Aaah yes senney the lad pog
must've been a pogchamp run
strong forum
we chainpulled 24/7
plush tendon
god, I cant believe I miss my BFA stuff
that Triple BoM, those rank 3 essences, and all that corruption
ebon geyser
Missing bfa... Yuge yikes
sturdy sable
yeah the end of bfa was actually pretty alright
it was everything before that that felt like pulling teeth
plush tendon
yeah the end of bfa was actually pretty alright
I had so much fun at the end when we just ran keys with all BiS stuff
or trying stupid things
I had my TD set, my all haste/crit set, my Vers set, some gushing wound items
good times ๐
ionic fern
If you started playing a few patches into BfA it was actually solid. :(
ebon geyser
Idk what a high key is
strong forum
Doing 22s with full TD setup when people cried about tanks needing full vers for their 18s
Get fucked ya'all
jagged pier
Nome dont be silly u need full vers for a 10
ebon geyser
Highest for me is like a 10maybe
ionic fern
L e e c h.
plush tendon
I ended up prefering stat corruptions over TD
strong forum
Unironically, s4 and s2 bfa were fucking goat
ionic fern
Reaping was fun.:(
strong forum
I actually did like 400 keys in S4 JUST FOR FUN
jagged pier
dont worry getting anima power were i can jump or back peddle is gunna be fun C:
green trench
Maybe this was covered and I tried scrolling back up a lot but could not find it.
I do not Mythic Raid, I Heroid raid only. - Does the Shards accomodate for the ilvl loss from M+ Gear? Meaning, should I still go for the Shard-gear from Heroic Raiding or should I go for the Higher ilvl gear from Mythic+?
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
shard ๐
strong forum
Even without the set bonus active those shards are worth the ilvl drop, atleast as far as I know
green trench
And should that take the 5 slots or a couple of them?
jagged pier
5
3 blood 2 frost for raid
and u can use 2 blood and 3 frost for m+ as u dont get the set bonus in m+
green trench
That is what I was afraid of. Feck. Ok Thanks ๐
strong forum
M+ gear ๐
green trench
Wait wut? ๐
strong forum
Wrong chart
jagged pier
raid gear ๐
green trench
Well that's my problem, no? ๐
jagged pier
m+ gear ๐
green trench
Ah, makes more sense now ๐
green trench
Yes exactly. so 5 for the shards, rest M+
ebon geyser
Highest key on my monk a 12
strong forum
Well heroic aegis is also gonna own hard
ebon geyser
Oof
green trench
Was thinking for OWS as well - OWS at HC ilvl or Putri on GV?
strong forum
Ows or aegis
Both own hard
Aegis moreso the safer pick, but has HUGE dmg potential
As it is uncapped
So if you pull like 20 mobs, that shit gonna do like 80k dmg
๐ณ
jagged pier
green trench
Oh shiiit
strong forum
Don't tell blizzard tho
green trench
hides from blizz
strong forum
Imagine
The fucking timeline
Where a trinkets potency comes from being able to hit multiple targets
strong forum
Like wtf man
It's so fucking sad man
That we are happy about something that shouldn't play a role to begin with...
green trench
And guessing the setup should look like Blood + OWS/Aegis ๐
sick sentinel
Min maxing corruptions was actually fun
sick sentinel
green trench
Hmm? Blood aint worth it?
green trench
or is it because u got Aegis that Blood aint worth it?
jagged pier
OWS is equip
strong forum
Double on use is trash
strong forum
No
You just never pick blood if you have aegis
Outside of Single target situations, aegis is better at everything
green trench
So depending on talent choices/tanking ... Aegis + OWS/Phial is what I am deducing?
strong forum
Or rather, aegis gets better the more dmg events happen frequently.
The less dmg evens happen, the better scale becomes
If you get hit once big, then scale is better.
If you get hit for say 6000 dmg many times, then aegis better
green trench
So basically discard Scale for M+ in that sense.
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
Pmuch
strong forum
Depends
In raid phial will defo be stronger offensively
In m+, would have to sim
Ows defo the obv defensive choice
green trench
yeah obv ๐
strong forum
But only once per minute
So you have atleast 50% uptime on the max haste buff from OWS
Takes 25sec to stack up to max
Has 1min CD on the heal
Unless it can't stack haste during its CD
oak lotus
k guys. whats OWS
wet compass
the greatest trinket ever
cinder nova
Do we have sims for trinkets yet at all?
oak lotus
Not gonna lie, I thought this one was going to be shit on m+ because of possible downtime and ramp-up
strong forum
I mean I just did the math for you
cinder nova
Yeah, napkin math is great, but it's a far cry from sims.
oak lotus
Maybe I'm not reading tooltip proprely but its 1 min to stack to full tho? not 25
plush tendon
the shard system would have been cool... if all if it didnt just come from raid -_-
oak lotus
Ya but it needs 5 cycle to be up there
strong forum
Yeah nvm, this trinket could be wildly irregular
wet compass
which is why you never leave combat
oak lotus
so I feel like I wont be farming that shit for sure. Idk maybe it'll turn out better but
wet compass
it doesn't sacrifice stacks?
strong forum
Yeah
strong forum
Was just thinking that
oak lotus
ya
wet compass
now if it sacs stacsk then it's complete garbo
oak lotus
Equip: While in combat your rage builds, increasing your Haste by 32 every 20 sec, stacking up to 5 times.
so ya
wet compass
It will be fine in M+ just have to stay in combat
oak lotus
Unles you do hoa. But it's only really good for the 1st half and even then, you'll likely drop once or twice
fading quiver
i read that it has a 15 sec grace period for stacks
oak lotus
I see a couple dungeons where u could MAYBE get some decent uptime but
fading quiver
so if you pull fast you can keep the stacks up
amber herald
is valour reset tomorrow?
plush tendon
there are just better options me thinks
oak lotus
Today or tomorrow
plush tendon
is valour reset tomorrow?
what you talking bout tomorrow? Its today ๐
oak lotus
EU guy i guess
wet compass
ewwww
amber herald
I'm eu waiting on you NA beta testers to get the game ready for me
wet compass
It's 215 static haste and 110 strength for the mythic version that's pretty hard to beat imo
wet compass
don't leave combat and you will have uptime
plush tendon
I'm eu waiting on you NA beta testers to get the game ready for me
We're happy to help!
wet compass
you are the tank control the pull
amber herald
blazing condor
So americans hows the new patch
plush tendon
I know limit is testing the raid for echo also; they'll let them know how to kill Mythic Slyvannas once they are done
oak lotus
We always invis skip stuff, mount to move faster. Packs are far in most dungeons, idk man. You can't just shit uptime lol
amber herald
are the servers still not up?
ebon geyser
I'm eu waiting on you NA beta testers to get the game ready for me
I mean can u guys beat us to WF again
wet compass
another hour lads
oh sweet summer child
wet compass
the servers haven't even been pulled off the list
you got way more than an hour to go
cinder nova
Nah, this isn't new
plush tendon
6pm Est.
proven inlet
any necro fix in the chat?
plush tendon
Calling it
cinder nova
Cata was off like 8 hours
amber herald
blizzard might be the worst company at first impressions in the history of all companies
sweet summit
no banner fix yet afaik
ebon geyser
I will be home by the time US kill silvy
wet compass
I'm calling 7 pm
cinder nova
Have they fixed the shards yet?
plush tendon
I just want the cinematic
cinder nova
Pretty sure they weren't working right at the end of the 9.1 PTR for a few specs and healers
plush tendon
Naw, want mine in HD
ebon geyser
Since I bet eu beat us to a kill
plush tendon
I got my hot pockets and Corn Pops ready
ebon geyser
Naw, want mine in HD
We are warriors we can't be picky
oak lotus
Fuck. Actually moved 1 hour
plush tendon
Good
crisp dragon
Are we actually getting any new consumables in 9.1?
plush tendon
dont know, dont care
sweet summit
Are we actually getting any new consumables in 9.1?
no
crisp dragon
So I should stock up on flasks etc?
ebon geyser
I get other people in my guild to make mine for me
If I make my pally Kyrian I might go NF
sweet summit
its giga expensive
plush tendon
If I make my pally Kyrian I might go NF
O: Still waiting to see if there any changes. Holding on to NF till the last
ebon geyser
What u expecting
plush tendon
But at like renown 57, Kyrian sims higher
cause of swol bro
AA>Spear IMO
but 2 Spears>AA
plush tendon
Yea... its so nice
did PF and SD yesterday and its just nice when things get knockedown or I call to my group that AA is down and they Finally know what that means!
strong forum
Spear is also better for aggro
gleaming oracle
Guys are you gemming and stacking haste? I can choose what to have more of but feeling conflicted
strong forum
Hits more targets
strong forum
Guys are you gemming and stacking haste? I can choose what to have more of but f...
If in doubt, haste
plush tendon
Yea... the choice between staying NF or going back Kyrian is a tough one
But ima let the furries ride for now
Especially cause I have my lion soulshape
โค๏ธ
and also, we have too many Kyrians now
ebon geyser
Guys are you gemming and stacking haste? I can choose what to have more of but f...
Haste all the things
I feel super out of place as kyrian
All I see is pink and white....pink and white everywhere
blazing condor
p-pink?
plush tendon
I dont like the Kyrian Hall
Its like Skyhold... but not
its just wrong
Also, Val'kyr>Kyrian Angels
ebon geyser
Give me warrior valarjar
plush tendon
I was so happy to be back in Skyhold when I did the intro quests
I was like 'this is right'
ebon geyser
And I was doing a quest in kortia and a warrior panda was next to me... I /puke
strong forum
But skyhold was modeled after elysian hold
ebon geyser
Wrong
strong forum
Correct
plush tendon
Skyhold is where my warrior Bjorn belongs
ebon geyser
Elysian hold don't have sht and also houses pelagos damn whiner
distant crystal
flashbang remodel of skyhold
plush tendon
But we do have Lady Moonberry in Ardenweald....
plush tendon
Pelagos is so generic
ebon geyser
ebon geyser
I can't do this mommy kleia
plush tendon
But I also get to hang out with Ysera so thats a plus
top 3 WoW waifu right there
EZ
gains
strong forum
ebon geyser
Moonguard exist for that
sweet summit
i hate spec channels
strong forum
Googles how to delete some else's message without being mod
strong forum
sweet summit
blazing condor
lunar jackal
What second potency are we going for raid? useless strength or useless TC Revenge shit
strong forum
Ashen!
urban portal
They all suck equally
ebon geyser
Ashen bis
hollow sun
Someone just said to me that if you reflect the melee slam from muezhala ( the one you should avoid) then he won't cast cosmic artifice, or that somehow it will make healing it easier. Is this bs? cause it looks like it
dim token
What made NF considered on par with kyrian in pins? I thought kyrian was straight up better because the vial and kiting, not to mention nf convenant screwing up interupts
sweet summit
What made NF considered on par with kyrian in pins? I thought kyrian was straigh...
damage is pretty close, and there aren't a lot of NF dps players anymore
lucid pasture
team i need some help
so because im a stonks jewelcrafter i can craft rings and necklaces for myself aswell, but i dont know if i should make a haste vers neck, or a haste vers ring and replace either of my two rings or my neck?
sweet summit
what do you have
sweet summit
how many halls of atonements are you going to run next week?
lucid pasture
@sweet summit i got a vers crit neck from a random mob in korthia but dunno if thats anywhere near good
sweet summit
make both 
muted arch
yo btw are u guys loot speccing fury for any fights
lucid pasture
make both <:yep:703420923625078804>
haste big small vers on the ring ye?
sweet summit
lucid pasture
big cocker
gleaming oracle
Guys do you think warrior or druid is better for a pug tank like me in m+? Only 10h until decision.....
mighty valley
early whispers suggest druid might be fotm at first if you want slightly easier invites
but mostly pick one and get good and you'll be fine
hollow sun
druid allows you to solve more situations, battle ress, roots, healing, curse dispel but its suuuuper boring
ebon geyser
i literally fell asleep playing mine, inta delete
sweet summit
i enjoy druid
hollow sun
i mean, if you pug and take the role of a kindergarden watcher then go druid, if you wanna play something fun play warr
sweet summit
it was/is bugged
ebon geyser
i mean why would he gimp himslef
sweet summit
so i dont blame him
jolly wasp
kyrian is for simps
ebon geyser
jolly wasp
ahahahah
ebon geyser
is like me playing prot pally and u telling me go venthyr
tidal quarry
Does renown catch up go to 42 now if you've completed the quests for the week prior to swapping covenant/
tidal quarry
srry I'm eu haha
muted arch
are there certain powers we should take first boss
steady slate
is adaptive armor fragment as bad as it looks?
prisma bear
that awful pack in SD after third boss isnt linked anymore? i pulled just the gargoyle with heroic throw randomly by accident
i know it was like that at the start of xpac but i thought at some point they made them linked
oak lotus
Don't you want to skip that pack usually
plush tendon
Is amazing
its up on Wowhead
torn gulch
oak lotus
salt?
ebon geyser
Yeah I saw
Huge disappointment
Like wtf is up with the story telling
Like 9 more months for the real end
prisma bear
after they linked them yes always
plush tendon
ebon geyser
Pretty much
spring holly
so the jailer has everyone on the ropes it seems and then sylvanas suddenly has a heel turn and is the only one who can save us?
ebon geyser
I mean. Where's the 3min cinematic
muted arch
trinket from the 9 any good?
muted arch
how about raid
sweet summit
damage pattern favours scale in raid
aegis is great against a lot of smaller hits aka m+
scale is great against bigger hits aka raid
but more often than not scale is overkill in raid
so you just run double damage trinkets
cinder nova
How does the Fragment of Destiny reflect work?
Do you SR the stack consolidation?
Do you SR the application?
autumn pendant
nimble laurel
what are y'all tossing into your new conduit slot?
cinder nova
Probably armor shard
plush tendon
alright.. im sad about garrosh
cinder nova
Painsmith is abysmal
long bronze
it it just me or is the tank dam on The Nine freaking insane
rancid ember
torpid fiber
I want to switch to necrolord for the fashion and support ability. Whatโs the best way to farm renown back up to forty with the new catchup formula?
torpid fiber
Normal plague fall?
dim token
You can run pass everything ,kill couple tentacles then straight to 3rd and 4th boss
H
It gave me renowns up to 30+
Used to stop at 20
torpid fiber
Sweet, tyvm!
dim token
And the campaign now gives double renown so you can prolly stop at 20-25
World bossses give 3 as well
coral sierra
One question, it's possible to skip the tormented generals?
dim token
The m+ new mobs?
coral sierra
yep
dim token
You can skip them but youโd get a huge debuff when you fight the last boss for each you skipped
Like 50% healing reduction or 50% slow etc
coral sierra
ty
modern brook
It's just a debuff? I thought you had to fight them with it like from obelisks
Looking forward to always skipping 1 by mid season I guess
jagged pier
The debuffs are a bit hefty compares to the pillar ones tbh
Plus the pillars didnt give u actual power
Where these do
Youll probs just start pulling trash ontop of them tbh
modern brook
Also fair
jagged pier
I mean thats just my take, maybe there is just like a non effect debuff i dunno i havent done m+ yet ๐คท
Well i still cant not out yet, but i got work so gunna be a while till i do anyways
vivid orchid
got the new tazavesh neck - doesn't seem to proc at all for tank specs. works fine as dps. anyone else confirm potential bug?
okay odd, it started working after some reloading
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
muted ridge
what are the bests buff of tormented?
blazing condor
gaunt dawn
All the dungeon pages will also note the locations of lieutenants (based on last seen ptr data)
blazing condor
I assume MDT isnt updated on that yet?
sick sentinel
You know, after watching asmon stream ff14, I'm half tempted to give it a go
I'd only make it maybe lvl 20 or so and quit, but just not having fun like I used to
blazing condor
Nothing wrong with trying it out and seeing how u like it
Youre allowed to play more than one mmo
sick sentinel
Just feels like pulling teeth and unnecessary malding out over own misplays or someone not interrupting
The only issue is I'm typically all or nothing with my main game especially online ones, if I stop now like
Two expacs until 2 expansions come and go
fringe marten
Tazavesh hardmode mail boss; what is up with the bomb cases?
sometimes I can throw, sometimes I drop it right away..I don't get it
gaunt dawn
TankNotes for Sanctum of Domination is now live.
Updates on the site will be happening on a very regular basis. For a real time update on these, they are posted in the TankNotes discord.
blazing dune
blazing condor
@gaunt dawn Good job!
lavish oracle
Do we know if the lieutenants swap locations from week to week?
Either actual physical location changes or the order in which they appear?
Like is there an A and B pattern like Awakened or is it fixed
outer solstice
haha they fixed the symbol of hope AM/Wall interacton xD
blazing condor
anyone know when we can fly?
edgy belfry
renown 44
jagged pier
Never
lucid sand
why get leech when you can just not take health damage in the first place
brittle owl
inb4 next season where people complain about loosing the leech anima power
and "really? even if it has leech??" becomes commonplace
jagged pier
Dont mael, there will legit be ppl 'i didnt do x key because i didnt get the leech power'
lucid sand
honestly, losing the mana power will probably be more impactful overall
the shaman I run with almost never had to drink due to it
which helped a lot with tempo
jagged pier
Dont u start
keen plume
Hello, new here :)!
Is there some base amount of versatility i need to have before going into haste? Or always chose haste over vers?
keen plume
Okay, thanks ๐
I lvl is the same for the pieces i have now was swapping them around
jagged pier
Took me like 3days and 12 attempts but i got it
blazing condor
i aint even farm it to be honest i just sat and waited
where is best place to farm you'd say? crucible? idrk where it spawns
lucid pasture
My friend got the venari one
The one i like more than the fallen charger one sadge
jagged pier
Nah best sit in the middle of the maw and just refresh group finder till theres an up group and pray u get invited
Thats what i did in the end u dont always get invited but u get more attempts doing that than sitting waiting
blazing condor
broooooo
i just did that
got invited
just heroic leaped onto it as it died
didnt get the chance to loot
lucid pasture
Better than waiting with the x hour groups lmao
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
I mean i only did it cause i sat for like 3 hours with a pala from my guild he got it first try anf i was like nah i need this now
3 days later i got it
lucid pasture
Cocker
pine cypress
Whats the best weapon enchant for raiding?
pine cypress
Thats nice and cheap then, thanks ๐
fringe marten
after like 4 hours of raid..
then spent 3 hours doing hard mode taz, with some ragnaros hunter we couldn't speak to. Still got it though..and I got the trinky
visual drift
would you use it even with 3 lower levels?
strong forum
Ofc
On rings and neck you can drop up to 16ilvl
I would get rid of that crit vers ring ASAP
crimson furnace
@strong forum got the 233 trinket from world boss
any good for us?
mastery and strenght proc
silk edge
Hard mode of New dungeon is doable with no voice coms in pug ?
Havnt checked it out yetโฆ
strong forum
It's hard to pug
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> got the 233 trinket from world boss
Don't know much about it
So idk
crimson furnace
huge uptime
silk edge
The only benefit of hard mode is 233 loot and the mount right ?
mellow bridge
pugging HM without voicecomms seems like hell tbh
strong forum
The only benefit of hard mode is 233 loot and the mount right ?
Ye
So you just go in once for the mount and forget about it
silk edge
Ok not as important as i thought ๐
fringe marten
Right now I wouldn't do HM without comms and a group that's willing to die and retry; it's a learning experience. But next week it'll be so much easier now that we've done it.
The last boss is pretty neat visually, and is a step up in difficulty from the rest.
visual drift
@strong forum 16 ilv? because of no strength?
strong forum
No Str and no armor, yes
The loss of a few stats for better stats is Worth it there
main veldt
Running reprisal and charging in, what do you immediately press after the initial charge? Do you stack another shield block or dump the revenge immediately
strong forum
You want the CD rolling on SB as soon as you can
main veldt
Pop both charges?
fringe marten
Also shield bash.
main veldt
I feel like I hit max rage pretty much instantly after charging in
fringe marten
that free revenge proc can also reset it, so I try and hit shield bash/block together..then the free revenge.
strong forum
It depends on your aggro situation tbh
And rage
It's often better to focus on getting aggro first, over playing the optimal rotation
main veldt
Also do you hit avatar -> spear of bastion -> ravager?
Or in what order is generally best
strong forum
Ravager > charge + avatar > thunderclap + SB
That should be your opener in m+
Thunderclap because it hits 360ยฐ
So you pick up initial aggro
Then you can revenge/spear depending on the mobs positioning
Throw in IP if you're rage capping
fringe marten
yeah I wasn't even thinking about that..since it's on one of my mouse keys; I hit Tclap on engage and I don't even think about it.
main veldt
Okay perfect thank you so much
strong forum
Ravager takes 1 gcd to deal dmg, that's why you throw it before even engaging
Then the combination of ravager + spear + general aoe rotation should generate a shitton of rage and threat for smooth sailing
main veldt
Thank you for explanation, it really is a big help, I had one small question though; does IP have a built-in cap at around 13.8k or so?
strong forum
The cap is 2x of its tooltip
main veldt
Ah okay, was wondering why two IP casts seemed to cap it out
outer bronze
did something change about banner in the last couple days?
guildie said max was talking about it on stream but i cant find anything on wowhead
jagged pier
Its bugged
strong forum
It was bugged, but now it's fixed
outer bronze
ah okay, so the way it works is still the same
jagged pier
strong forum
Ye
outer bronze
cool, ty as always
sweet summit
@outer bronze Conqueror's Banner is currently bugged(?) and always buffs the lowest GUID players, making very difficult to maximize.
verty cool bug
it was epic
strong forum
Amogus
jagged pier
Amogus
jagged pier
Got to use fallen charger somewhere
spring holly
lowest guid actually appears a lot in wow, from what I remember shaman chain heal works the same way
jagged pier
what does vault give this week?
226
reef needle
how are the new conduits compared to out previous ones? i got the endurance one from the world boss and 4.25% max hp every 10 secs seems quite nice
blazing condor
SoF was better than adaptive armor framgent right?