protection

[brittle owl]

30 year mortgage?

or 15

[jagged pier]

🤷

last i looked my monthly payment would be about 3/4 of what i make a month

and was like im out

[brittle owl]

rip

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

as long as you don't get a 30y morgage you gucci tbh

very few things as dumb as a 30y mortgage

[jagged pier]

true

[blazing condor]

maybe i am 30y mortgage

[jagged pier]

would make sense

[brittle owl]

then you suck

hot taint

[blazing condor]

thanks for the compliment on my taint at least

[sweet summit]

And hot 😳

[blazing condor]

😳

[wet compass]

remember when rare mount spawns used to be a guaranteed drop after you waited for your 14 hours not a 5% one?

[jagged pier]

yes

TLPD is easier to get for that fact

[blazing condor]

i miss when the LFG satchels gave mounts n shit

[wet compass]

that was fun blizzard doesn

[blazing condor]

nope

[wet compass]

doesn't like fun anymore

[blazing condor]

do the old callings have any purpose anymore?

besides money

[wet compass]

money mounts catchup if you need it

[crisp dragon]

Can we talk about the amount of "no path available" on Korthia?

[jagged pier]

dont get me started

[wet compass]

You mean how I have a fucking teleport and can access less than fucking dhs?

[crisp dragon]

Is it some sort of "cheese" fixing

[mellow bridge]

valor points

[blazing condor]

thanks

[wet compass]

You should cap those playing normally now

[blazing condor]

so nothing really

considering the weekly cap is 750

[mellow bridge]

yep

[wet compass]

since it will be like 750 a week

[blazing condor]

and we wont use it til we got KSM anyway

[wet compass]

at least 4 15s a week 10 if you are feeling spicy

[jagged pier]

10 if your insane

in the brain

[strong forum]

0 if chad

[jagged pier]

^^

[blazing condor]

whats a dungeon

[crisp dragon]

So +10s are really toug huh?

[jagged pier]

no

they will be like 13s

[crisp dragon]

so 15s on reset is confirmed easy?

[jagged pier]

will be like an 18-20 key

[strange path]

so i can actually gear alts with Valor now? 🤔

[jagged pier]

key difficultly is all relative anyways

[crisp dragon]

u trynna get philosophical?

[inland raft]

By end of week youll be in better gear anyways

So do your 15s on the weekend and it’ll probably be closer to 17-18 in terms of how feels vs now plus people will be learning affix

[jagged pier]

no higher

mobs will do about the same damage as an 18 but will have about the hp of a 20

and more armour as well

[strong forum]

Other way around

:^)

Hit like 20

But hp of 18

[crisp dragon]

Ehm dumb question, but google didnt help much, whats max Soul cinders this week? I got 270 and cant really seem to find other activities that givei t

[mental scarab]

Must have that Big boi ivl shield in the first chest

[strong forum]

First vault is still s1 loot

So the only chance on a big boi shield next week is from heroic raid, ideally sylvanas/kt cuz of the extra ilvl

Tarragrue drops a good shield already tho

[blazing condor]

honestly fuck HOA

its such a tight dungeon

[jagged pier]

seemed alright when i did it this week

[blazing condor]

gotta make big pulls for every pull and you still dont got much time to work with

idk every time i do it i have max 3 mins left when i complete

[jagged pier]

id agree on it being tight though

[blazing condor]

did it on a 21 now

died on 2nd boss with good time tho so that wasnt the issue

but still

you gotta pull 2 casters and a houndmaster pat like every pull

at least

and still you get no time for it

[strong forum]

That just means your dps dumbo

[jagged pier]

using the bats?

[blazing condor]

idk maybe my route isnt good either but idk what else to do

worked on a 20

dps was fine

[jagged pier]

wanna share route

[blazing condor]

8,4k / 7,2k / 6,4k overall

route isnt 100% mine its a slight modification of another i got from a friend

!Lw12sXnoq0VOXLUF5rGCzZ(GdvzE214blbEXyNmwob2hMV9OwYxKhGKufuutnsT6Z50NwTMsC5nLfpw38XUQdTM6YdLf3232F86QwJZz(sNThor1OR)ky)MU7kV8SZu)uzoR0vw4mp5)80()5RxeafY0E0yUVVT(F7B6I4FWC3ytlauoEnoSWN8pnMh8FLuwu3yTn3o26E2Vwvw8JQ2rdG4TJhpA6Cxp22wMtwwxm6lGFyAdOESX6(Q1oyCd(ua8UXJUB5WFyS7otFxq6ueOCZJGI8YBW0AU1103fseyWN238Kfrk5dFi4Fq35KPTclOVmoBoopUNa2ueuvUCkgfwOsweTzVhzPgRnHM4rePeZsjosIiLyYmHX4RGdqRnlzFMMWPAcFMMOMv8fbk5bxEEZeLnltzQmX0OzW24qRoZQe1t1ppfymAg5jmtrbLwVy(gLBpqnlHNvMAJYILtiVvmNKlj1GiPge5mFnsJmv06u3qSHtCc8S1n365XwfqykrE3XJ8Qb6ww(sSxrtd(WIjrWZxnZHcLaIiNqtvJETF5cECcfQ0cJNwytzHsrsUP9GNpbWmoYSNf4EmMUXtNheWldIRrRWbhpWruGKeBAAicWDJpHPN5LEhEDCgfv22X64MGFbYvpHZMl9yzmrv5BpYqWPxKMnv(g5OJAMFMMfBkSW9zGYThsEwHfoKAZHcVjo2u7nVVR()pGeJF2)EBr)H)Z)g4YdEf1XV9jMcXOukJXPmbbjlT7yHHIpTtOfcFuLpcwJyAielAqqTDj0mlUO1zo2v5A8Vt)8P9dp08Tt7VVFSRE4XQbFSt7R6QpThEU90E39nd(nSH9hUV6ynO2opwt30M11YK558Hc)fECAxOt0gtOGXWzHouXocxMrHeliCDghsUyhfXZcZkU5kxqPcfMQ1mQK4)jd7o(uhJ(UuIGQZurLqj4SWiqHatZ0tkHZYePkrriejvWWCPujrmqj0YLNDx6vCUar5eL)ScUuOt6vCMGP5yesXecPM8Q9QRU6vBnUQhmVztH)7TId)bRGXZyZwHiteTcVPm3u4KmuQvi97irAHusXmMuNyfI)gLyTXxoFfLGwAkyfWFqjOfLW0BvIsXH2IcJ1((IsMOe57sjunnJgvcwO3CtihTmcx(Rp

[jagged pier]

just screenshot?

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/688aaf654f95519c690689e335a33e66?token=4e50f83c9b27e8147a78ee0f0a76eb3d

[jagged pier]

this is my fort route

[crystal dirge]

this is ours, worked on 22 back in april before we stopped

gargoyle for every pride

[blazing condor]

i personally prefer lusting on the first shard

as first pull

[crystal dirge]

it includes some retardedly big pulls tho that might not work depending on the amount of cc in your group

we had very very good time w this in my group on 20-22 keys

with normal 1-2 pack pull routes you find yourself with sub15mins at 2nd boss and that feels really tight

[blazing condor]

yeah exactly

idk maybe we didnt have the dps or something

we didnt really have any deaths

[crystal dirge]

if there's any more dungeon tuning in the tank for blizz I'm expecting the dogs to be nerfed, maybe time extension in HoA, and gauntlet nerf in sd rest w/e

[blazing condor]

hoa is just dog for us pwarrs

casters got buffed

and we get big bleeds

[elfin nova]

6.4k is low

I still have no idea why they buffed the casters

[strong forum]

Das low

Like, if all dps are 9k+, then the timer doesnt seem so tight anymore

[blazing condor]

idk how representative it is overall since it was a depleted key

we left after wiping 2nd boss

[strong forum]

A dps barely doing more than the tank is a bit

Ah you left

Especially then

Dps should be 10k+ on all

Since at 2nd boss its just boss-big pull-boss-minibossroom-boss

Ah well

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

idk

[crystal dirge]

u bigpull the 2 packs after 2nd?

[blazing condor]

shits annoyingly tight at least

[crystal dirge]

seems ballsy

we pulled dogpack separately, and the casters on boss

[strong forum]

Either or works

[blazing condor]

its a strat high keys do

[strong forum]

But don't take shit from me

I haven't been in halls in like 4 months

I just go by what I see

[blazing condor]

obviously you cant compare with the top players but on a 25 HOA they had around 9k overall

so i guess it was a bit low

[strong forum]

I was comparing with fragnance

Cuz I saw them doing hoa 20 for the portals

Where they +2d it

[blazing condor]

makes sense

[strong forum]

And everybody was 9k+ fraggy doing 10.4k as mm hunter

Bear around 4k hpal around 5k

[blazing condor]

can depend on how i played the packs as well

in the sense that i couldnt face-tank all the bleeds n casters n shit obviously

so by kiting it mightve spread them out but i felt like they were mostly grouped

like i played fine enough

[strong forum]

Ya there's tons of factors

Bear is omega good for the dps players in hoa

Cuz they don't have to move an inch

[blazing condor]

i hate hoa

[amber herald]

worst dungeon for us best dungeon for bear

[jagged pier]

i find ToP tighter than HoA tbh

[blazing condor]

top may be tighter but i feel like HOA is way harder

a lot of clench for every pull until you reach 2nd boss

[jagged pier]

but i dont have a good ToP route so

might be my route

[amber herald]

really, top is fine for me except for the ghost bit

that bit sucks

[blazing condor]

i ran a standard skip-first-pack route on TOP on a 20 and had about 3 / 4 minutes left

but it still feels tight

[jagged pier]

yer i dont know that route

[blazing condor]

basically just skip the first 3 mobs - pull in the boar with the 1st boss and nuke down - grab ghosts go xav -> first room gorechop > lich > gorechop > last boss

there are "better" routes that do this and skip the captain pack in the xav wing as well'

[jagged pier]

yer i tried the first one and yet someone ran back and pulled that pack on first boss

so i was like nah not again

[blazing condor]

they mustve really gone out of their way to do that lmao

[jagged pier]

🤷

enrage disenage ithink

[blazing condor]

idk running TOP "normally" is fine enough anyway tbh

its very linear

same with mists

you dont need fancy shit just good dps

which can be said about any dungeon but

[orchid frigate]

hmm the stoneborns on the stairs leading to 2nd boss in hoa, are they not single pullable anymore? they both seem to become active on same cycle

[jagged pier]

there is a cycle where the both become active

then they cycle out of it

[brittle owl]

the cycle of life can be cruel

[strong forum]

A stoneborn made it to the water

[dusty prairie]

would sinful surge extend the bolster shield block or is it only for the base duration of last stand?

[jagged pier]

it only increases the HP

[inland raft]

Pride goes away in a day anyways so the skip at start if top probably isnt as impactful outside of getting cds on boss right away. So probably still good but not as important to overall route

[plush tendon]

The skip is nice though cause you can pull the bull guy on top of the bosses for extra cleave 😄

[strong badger]

What horde race would you guys recomend?

[inland raft]

100% and ill probably keep doing it if group comp allows it just saying its not quite as big as was in s1

[plush tendon]

Blood Elf: Cause thats me :D, Orc or Tauren if you a OG boomer, Vulpera for the OP furries,

[inland raft]

I love vulpera

[plush tendon]

I dont

but I cannot deny their strength

[blazing condor]

Panda

Just cus

[plush tendon]

I just know if I played a Vulpera, I would enjoy my war less, therefore I'm a bloodelf

[inland raft]

My enjoyment went up

[blazing condor]

OwO

[inland raft]

UwU

[urban quartz]

I'm with August on this. BElf or bust

[plush tendon]

Blood Elf was also super good in BFA; purge so strong

Not so much now....

but still, its aight

[opal escarp]

I asked this yesterday but didn't get a response I think, is Banner bugged currently where it hits the furthest targets instead of the closest? It seems to be doing so for me unless I'm missing something

[blazing condor]

There seems to be some bug yeah

Idrk the whole story tho

Some people say its only buffed the first 2 it buffed and only those no matter where

[lofty widget]

i believe it is targeting the two ppl with the lowest GUID, i.e. something you cant control, regardless of range

[jagged pier]

its buffing random ppl atm

[ebon geyser]

yikes

[blazing condor]

Ur literally yogurt

Ur opinion dont matter

[jagged pier]

panda or bust

[ebon geyser]

human or vulpera or roll a mage

[jagged pier]

cant play vulpera yet

[ebon geyser]

be a chad alliance

[jagged pier]

gross

[ebon geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/heh-heheh-hehehehe-lizard-gif-5447798

[jagged pier]

ill have to get 1800 before going vulpera 😦

[blazing condor]

1800 what

[jagged pier]

pvp rating my healer refuses to play with a vulpera

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[blazing condor]

Based healer

[jagged pier]

very

the moment i hit 1800 and get mog

vulp it is

[blazing condor]

jakeyplops -> jakeyglomps ????

owo????

[jagged pier]

name doesnt change

i dont know what 11 year me was thinking but dats my online name and its never taken so

🤷

[blazing condor]

u do be plopping doe

[jagged pier]

apprently

still do to this day

[strong forum]

plops

[torn gulch]

i crafted the alchemy trinket and it looks good for my prot warrior

need to lock myself into dos next season

[jagged pier]

why?

[torn gulch]

for trinket

[jagged pier]

but u dont need it

aegis better

[torn gulch]

if you raid

yes it's better

[sweet summit]

i need to farm PF for phial

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

If you don't raid next patch, you might aswell not play next season tbh

[torn gulch]

i'll raid

[jagged pier]

u wont have dominant sockets

[torn gulch]

i'll raid for heroic domination pieces

and that's about it

[strong forum]

Ya heroic aegis is already better than anything scale can offer

[jagged pier]

^^

[torn gulch]

is it?

[strong forum]

Yes

[torn gulch]

absorbs 21k

[strong forum]

No it doesn't

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

Read the tooltip

Properly

[torn gulch]

at least

21k

[strong forum]

No

It's infinite

It doesn't have an absorb

[sweet summit]

its fixed per hit

but thats about it

[strong forum]

It reduces dmg taken off of every hit

For 8sec straight

Without a cap

[sweet summit]

ye

[torn gulch]

so reduces damage from every hit by 6k for 8 seconds and if it reduces at least 21k deals some damage

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

and that damage is uncapped

[torn gulch]

well i guess scale is not needed anymore

[jagged pier]

its to ever target infront of u

[strong forum]

With SB up you're literally immune to dmg for 8sec

[lofty widget]

so the "absorb" doesnt go away once you take 21k dmg?

[strong forum]

No

It doesn't

[lofty widget]

busted

[strong forum]

Yes

[torn gulch]

so when is blizzard nerfing it?

[strong forum]

Once heroic week is over

[torn gulch]

:)))

[ebon geyser]

i bet meta is aegis and silvie trinket

[strong forum]

Or when tanks do 100k dmg in m+ in 1 pull with it

[torn gulch]

old warrior soul?

[strong forum]

Good haste

[torn gulch]

until i get these i can keep my trusty alchemy trinket

god knows when i'll get them

[strong forum]

Alch is a decent stat stick

But easily replaced

[torn gulch]

yea i crafted it at 230

just to have it

[sweet summit]

same but its worse than my SLH 🙃

[torn gulch]

well

i had 210 trinkets

[jagged pier]

this

[torn gulch]

so yeah this 230 trinket is a mega upgrade for me

[cold zealot]

Where do i give Feedback to the Wowhead guide?

[ebon geyser]

here maybe

[cold zealot]

Thats what i was guessing. ^^

[jagged pier]

in the comments of the wowhead guide?

[cold zealot]

Fair point though ^^ cant be asked to login though

[plush tendon]

too obvious

[sweet summit]

Llarold might be lurking 👀

[jagged pier]

or ping him

[plush tendon]

I would write a well constructed letter and seal it with your wax stamp. Then have your carrier pigeon deliver it

[cold zealot]

brb gonna pick up my family sigil, any pointer where to send the pidgeon too?

[plush tendon]

probably Europe

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Your pigeon should know where to go

I wouldnt worry about it

[mellow bridge]

anyone got a good route for "new" pf? farming portals atm 🤔

[plush tendon]

Press W

do what you did before

youll be fine

[chilly brook]

^ tbh

[plush tendon]

Already have a couple of dem portals; you can brute force 20s at this stage if you played through 9.0

[jagged pier]

ppl didnt like it when i just went forward

always got complained at

why u not skipping its better

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

well i 2 chested a 19 doing it this why, would i skip

[plush tendon]

Well we have a great M+ group; Prot War, Ass rogue, Shadow Priest, MM hunter, and Resto Druid

EZ times

[chilly brook]

Literally woulda two chested the 18 PF I had if people didn't wipe twice on second boss

Still timed though lmao

[plush tendon]

you can even wipe once or twice in a 20 and still time

We wiped on the miniboss angel in SoA

[chilly brook]

Funny thing is group didnt believe

I was like nah chief we got plenty of time still

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[novel sentinel]

skipping PF feels like such a risk i just cba with

[strong forum]

I mean I can DM llarold shit, wouldn't be the first time

If its worth

[chilly brook]

PF trash is disgusting though right after the first boss

[jagged pier]

yer its got a huge timer, but man ive wiped so many times trying to do the weird skips where pressing w is easy and still time

[violet ivy]

Hey i have a short question: who knows how exactly does AA work? Background: Due to Devastator I can reset my Shield Slam CD through AA. SS generates 18 rage. Thunderclap generates 5 rage and does less damage than my AA. Now the question is: make it sense NOT to press my Thunderclap in single target so that I can get an extra aa swing in?

[chilly brook]

Wat

[plush tendon]

That sounds like some TBC shit

[chilly brook]

Your abilities don't stop auto attacks

[plush tendon]

just press buttons; your AAs are not being reset

[strong forum]

your AA will just swing freely on its own

Nothing stops AAs from going through, this isn't classic

[novel sentinel]

there is a reason they are called auto attacks

[sweet summit]

actually, swift patrol does 🙃

[chilly brook]

Even in TBC thunderclap doesn't stop autos

[violet ivy]

Google says: "An auto-attack is any kind of player or pet attack that will repeat automatically unless interrupted by the player or some other event"

[jagged pier]

and u want to press TC for the rage

[strong forum]

Yeah, like walking outside of range

Auto attack will always occur on its own

You can't interrupt it unless you're doing a cast attack, or specifically write a macro that says /stopattack

It happens all the time by default without interruption of using abilities

[violet ivy]

OK. Thanks for the quick responses 🙂

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/78cb429b172022e12016c28c11162247?token=ecd0faf8074363ab44e3059753047979

cant time HOA for shit lmao

always down to the wire

[strong forum]

Git gud

[blazing condor]

im trying

[strong forum]

Git gudder

[plush tendon]

You didnt press revenge enough

[blazing condor]

this time i actually played like dog tho

[plush tendon]

You can also pull pretty aggressively in HoA

[chilly brook]

If everytime we pressed a button we stopped auto attacks melee damage wouldn't be this high

[strong forum]

Burrs go brrrrr

[blazing condor]

the lost razorwing egg thing in korthia

you need to return 6 right?

but is it at once over just in total

[chilly brook]

Pre nerf burrs go brrrr

[strong forum]

At once is fine

[sweet summit]

6 total

[blazing condor]

cus i know ive turned in like 3

[sweet summit]

same with the shrooms and petting the horse i think

[inland wasp]

Total and i believe they upped it to 10. Some ppl in my guild mentioned it last night

[strong forum]

6 total, you can do all at once though

[plush tendon]

wait... people spend more then 15 mins in Korthia?

Da Fudge?

[strong forum]

Yeah, dumb people

[blazing condor]

language

[sweet summit]

havent left it except for oribos/sinfall ((:

i need help

oh we raided on wed too

[chilly brook]

I'm doing it on two characters everyday

[strong forum]

Just do 21st man RL from korthia

[chilly brook]

[proven spoke]

its 10 now

[sweet summit]

wth

[blazing condor]

what the egg

[plush tendon]

Wish I could... I'm raid leading now 😦

[sweet summit]

unlucky

[chilly brook]

Oof

[plush tendon]

Super unlucky

[chilly brook]

I feel bad for raid leaders tbh

Super under appreciated

[plush tendon]

Our old RL got burnt out last tier; I agreed to take over for him so he could play his arms warrior in peace

: ^)

[tardy sequoia]

does anybody know if season 1 shadowlands pvp gear will be available for purchase with marks of honor sometime soon?

[strong forum]

And then you get burnt out yourself

[strong forum]

Yes

Should be either next season or the season after

[plush tendon]

Unfortunate

[tardy sequoia]

You mean season 2 or season 3?

[strong forum]

Ya

[median tulip]

I'm trying to make a weakaura to play sounds when the notification of an event pops up in chat, so I can idle there while working and ninja the events

[plush tendon]

[tardy sequoia]

Yes but which one? 2 or 3? XD

[sweet summit]

one of them

[tardy sequoia]

ah kk got it ty

[urban quartz]

Does Blood-Splattered Scale reduce the dmg the raid will take with Deathlink on EotJ?

[blazing condor]

so now with the nerf to 2nd boss in SOA is there any new way to deal with it?

since there'll only be 2 orbs max

[elfin nova]

Not really

You just do it the same as before except it no longer becomes awful if the fight goes on a long time

[blazing condor]

yep thats what i did now

just struck me that it had been nerfed

[elfin nova]

I can't remember the last time i saw that boss live through the first recharge

But w/o pride the nerf might matter

[sick sentinel]

i have 11 of those stygia balls, i think i read they become worthless tomorrow

or decay or soemthing

[hoary crow]

Could anyone explain to me who is out of the loop, if I would recraft boots for legs instead? (reprisal)

[elfin nova]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

legs of similiar ilvl/quality have more secondary, and primary stats

as well as more armor

[blazing condor]

also sylvanas drops higher ilvl boots

[hoary crow]

alright so I should spend my 5.1k soul ash on crafting r4 legs now instead of boots then or

[blazing condor]

much like you crafted on feet in 9.0 for the SLG legs

[hoary crow]

i already have r4 boots*

[sick sentinel]

legs yes, with haste and crit/versa

is my suggestion

[hoary crow]

alright, I thought it was only haste/vers that counted, or is it a pinpoint in which you would want to go crit?

[elfin nova]

Crit is more damage

Most people make haste/vers

[sick sentinel]

crit also adds parry, which is a small mitigation increase

[plush tendon]

realistically, anything + haste is fine. We default to haste/vers since vers offers a small amount of magic mitigation, but if you want damage, crit is fine to 😄

[hoary crow]

alright thanks for the responses

[chilly brook]

no because you're not reducing the hit, you're just absorbing a portion

[urban quartz]

thought so. Cheers

I assume IP also works the same way too?

[ebon geyser]

i did my part

[sweet girder]

Pretty sure the answer here will be fast, does rank 4-->rank 5 on the cloak provide the socket, or need to recraft the cloak?

[distant crystal]

it does

well, you get the socket when you upgrade, yes

[outer solstice]

pretty sure that's not how it worked, at least just before the update

[strong forum]

Well cloak doesn't have a socket

So you won't be getting a socket on it

Lmao

[jagged pier]

True

[strong forum]

Only pieces that actually can get a socket will get a socket once you craft them now

Not every legendary

@sweet girder @distant crystal

Waat bad at reading

[distant crystal]

reading is overrated

my advice was gonna lead to the right outcome though

i stand by it

[shrewd bronze]

Folks, our prot warrior is unsure whether he should go Kyrian or Necro for mythic CE raiding, any pointers?

[distant crystal]

kyrian

[shrewd bronze]

Good stuff, thanks

[distant crystal]

👍

[nimble laurel]

What other trinket are y'all planning to run with Aegis?

[jagged pier]

Phial

[amber herald]

PF phial or a new phial

[open pilot]

is there an updated conqueror's banner value sheet? im looking at a 9.0.5 one right now

[sweet summit]

ill ask max

[carmine light]

Deciding between kyrian and night fae any suggestions? I like nf for the knock up interrupt in larger pack but the phial on kyrian is nice.

[jagged pier]

If u plan on pugging go kyrian most groups wont have one

[sweet summit]

max is gonna do one for 9.1, but with the banner being bugged its kinda uhhh

fucked

[jagged pier]

And it does the same damage as nf at 57 renown

[carmine light]

Hmmm. Damage I’m not worried about but in pugs nf may help with interupts

[elfin nova]

it's actually not that easy to find a nf anymore

(depending if people still play fire)

[carmine light]

I only ever see hunters as nf.

[plush tendon]

many have transitioned to frost and arcane

[sweet summit]

hunters are turning kyrian

what specs even play NF anymore

[plush tendon]

Druid, Lock, Spriest

[elfin nova]

hunters are kyrian, mages are venthyr/kyrian, boomkins are venthyr

[plush tendon]

Fury war

[sweet summit]

guess fury wants NF in m+ ye

[carmine light]

The xmog for plate nf is way worse for nf. Maybe that’ll be my decision.

[strong forum]

Spriest also plays necro

[elfin nova]

raiding fury wars will be venthyr

[plush tendon]

SPriest can honestly play anything

[prisma bear]

m+ ele want nf

[plush tendon]

Yea, but same reasoning with fury wars, eles will go Necro for raid

and deal with it in M+

[sweet summit]

oh right

[proud carbon]

Ele in raid potentially nf at higher renown also

[sweet summit]

ele plays NF

[proud carbon]

Dudu venthyr now/when cove leggo

[plush tendon]

Many wont switch though

[sweet summit]

yea

[plush tendon]

Venthyr different playstyle and convoke aint bad

[sweet summit]

venthyr is apparently very punishing

for chickens

[strong forum]

Convoke is a clear winner in my book

[proud carbon]

Maybe, I just always see people sheep their way to meta

[strong forum]

Idk how you can ever not play convoke as druid

[plush tendon]

two words, cocaine bear

[strong forum]

Legit every singe boomkin I've seen is NF

[sweet summit]

i am cocaine bear now

i love it

UFR procs give stacks

[strong forum]

Cocaine bear is even more useless, you're already immortal during incarn

[sweet summit]

and its JUICE

[strong forum]

And you'd never use frenzy without incarn

[prisma bear]

you do high dmg lol

[plush tendon]

Part of it is that i refuse to shapeshift; im not a druid, im a bear

[prisma bear]

thats why its better

[plush tendon]

no owl weaving for this bear

rawr!

[strong forum]

Idk man I don't think cocaine bear is better, convoke has so many good uses

Besides just damgur

[plush tendon]

Convoke is much more flexible then cocaine; so I will say its 'better'. But cocaine bear is viable which is enough for me

[prisma bear]

the convoke is of coures insane last patch but so fewer opportunities with belt gone and fewr boomies for trees

and convoke was huge on prideful

[strong forum]

It's gonna be huge on the minibosses aswell

Or when bosses hardcast

Which is very often

So many events where you can freely convoke on bosses

[prisma bear]

arent we doing the mini guys with trash?

[strong forum]

Depends on tuning

I've not seen people do them with trash yet

They're played like prides

[prisma bear]

interesting

[strong forum]

All the minibosses have 4-5 mechanics

And a decent health pool

So idk if you even can pull shit into it

Without inting

[prisma bear]

idk with no pesky prides stopping you from pulling so much cause it will spawn i want to believe cocaine dmg will make it viable

[strong forum]

It's viable for sure

[jagged pier]

Big pulls can use aegis

[strong forum]

But just doing bigger dmg on big pulls

Doesn't seem all that great

Cuz you'd never use frenzy without incarn

And you won't use incarn on bosses

Unless there are pulls to be had after the boss where incarn would be good

[prisma bear]

ya i feel you i was cocaine for all of 9.0

[strong forum]

ontop of frenzy being extremely punishing

Like, miss 1 global and you're halfway to losing all of it

[sweet summit]

you cant miss a global

[elfin nova]

we weren't talking about bears though

boomkins have gone venthyr

[strong forum]

Dumb ones

[elfin nova]

the ones i raid with anyway

[sweet summit]

same here

[strong forum]

Legit every rwf boomy is NF

Every single one

Okay, the ones I've seen

[prisma bear]

2 minute cd is too imba compared to 3 min

the longer cd would have to be waaaaaaaaaay stronger like ashen

[strong forum]

But boomkins are known for being fanatically autistic about their 0.3% better Sims

[blazing condor]

[elfin nova]

it's a lot more than 0.3%

[blazing condor]

had a 21 mists go to shit because i forgot they actually go boomie now and thought i had a NF in my group

[elfin nova]

but you don't need to swap until you have the legendary

i guess we'll see

[strong forum]

Like in pre-patch our boomkin was literally crying because kyrian simmed 0.5% better than NF and he wanted to play NF but kyrian would be better so he hated himself

And I literally had to yell at him that he should play NF even if kyrian simmed better

(ontop of hippo literally confirming me that any boomkin that played kyrian is just braindamaged)

[visual drift]

is this worth?

[strong forum]

So yah, boomkin sim brain is severe insanity

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

My healer wants us all to wear that

KEKW

[strong forum]

Yeah fuck them

No fucking way

Is anyone with a brain gonna use that

Unless it's proven to be needed on boss X

[blazing condor]

idk it feels like youd have pretty shit healers if that was necessary to use

unless the fight reaaaally demanded it

[jagged pier]

Well the thing that can be said if everyone wears one u might be able to under heal a fight but u all loose like 150 stat

[blazing condor]

its such a loss of a trinket

[proud carbon]

It showed as 2k not 200 on ptr, was a little concerned how mandatory that would be lol

[strong forum]

Losing 200+ dps per player, for a bit of mana on healers? Yeah nah

[prisma bear]

its a neck not a trinket

[strong forum]

I'm good fam

[blazing condor]

oh it a neck

well still

[prisma bear]

holy shit that would be awful if it was a trinket

that might be intended for pvp

[blazing condor]

why not have a neck that thorns damage intake instead

[prisma bear]

we got anima powers for thaat

[blazing condor]

not in raids

[prisma bear]

or at least i hope that ones still in

oof

[strong forum]

Why not have a neck that procs moon glaives

[prisma bear]

its a nice touch for casual groups doing m+ for their tank to throw on if they have an off meta healer

but theres also that mana power too so idk

[blazing condor]

i will smuggle in the pride buff

[prisma bear]

probably just arena stuff

[blazing condor]

so they always get mana

[strong forum]

How much mana do healers have

10k?

[prisma bear]

50k

[strong forum]

Yeah

[prisma bear]

10k is for hybrids

[strong forum]

Dogshit neck

[prisma bear]

wtf were they thinking there must be a mistake

[strong forum]

It's a flavour item

Not a good one

Just like 90% of tank trinkets

Here's your fucking 2.5% mana per minute

That's 1 spell

[prisma bear]

yikes

is that aegis trinket mandatory? as in nothing is even close?

[proud carbon]

Or here's an additional 20% mana pool on e.g. sire - maybe some niche use case but realistically not going to be worth the sacrifice

[strong forum]

Mandatory is a strong word

But it's the best tank trinket

[strong forum]

That 20% additional mana pool only assumes that you don't regen any mana at all, so that skews perspective

It's not actually +20% total mana

[proud carbon]

Yeah I know 🙂

[strong forum]

Cuz that actually sounds alot

When in reality, its maybe 10-15 more spells possibly used

Assuming the tooltip is correct.

[proud carbon]

That is actually a really good point, given the conduit heals for 10x tooltip

Making ptr tooltip correct and live incorrect

That neck was 2200 or so on ptr

🤷🏻‍♂️

[strong forum]

If it was 2.2k with 6x proc per minute

that would be OP

[proud carbon]

Yep, was locking it in when I saw ptr

Not online atm so not able to test

[nimble laurel]

anyone know of a weakaura that helps with spell reflecting certain abilities in m+?

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[nimble laurel]

thanks!

[low timber]

how strong do yall think prots gonna be in the 9.1 m+ meta?

[sweet summit]

strong enough

but not op

and not weak

[strong forum]

Top 6 for sure!

[plush tendon]

Probably right behind Guardian Druid and equal to VDH

But who knows 🙂 Class only matters at the top end; until then its player skill

[crystal iris]

Equal to VdH?

[plush tendon]

I would say so; they do very different things

But they both can preform well

[crystal iris]

I guess it only matters at top end, but at low end not having sigil of silence and having to rely on your pug dps to interrupt the casters so that they run into you in a 13 feels bad 😦

[plush tendon]

When played well

[low timber]

I wanna play my shaman for the dps, but I keep having my keys ruined by these squishy jumping bean DH motherfuckers, and im not interested in druid dps anymore after what they did to boomie.

so warriors my other char thats up high. would be sacrificing raid dps to have an easier time in m+

[plush tendon]

Yea, the VDH hype train of 9.0 gave birth to a bunch of VDH who dont know how to play their class

[low timber]

just had a 16 mists ruined by this dude who should have had the io for it, prolly boosted now that its post key, and dude did fuck all for dps, couldn't hold aggro, and just died.

in a perfect world id just play my druid but no druid dps appeal to me anymore.

[oak lotus]

Maybe YOU need to tailor your pulls around that one caster mob that isnt getting kicked. Think about fixing it yourself

[visual drift]

is there a guide for the box of many things?

[crystal iris]

Honestly Id love to! I need to find a way to get ranged adds to come in other than the single pummel

[oak lotus]

Paladin tank is a monster dps right now. Will be ever better when they get kyrian leggo with mekanikos

[plush tendon]

Line of sight is your best friend

[low timber]

thats why im here lol, I used to main tank I just got tired of it. so I was asking how strong prot was gonna be, cause arms is at least kinda fun even if the dps isnt good, compared to druid.

[oak lotus]

Alot of LOS in the game to help for that

[crystal iris]

I tried copying a pally in HoA pulling 4 casters (2 in front of 2nd shard and 2 at top of stairs) and just couldnt get them to run to me. apparently that pillar isnt LOS so i just pull seperatly now

[low timber]

also by dps I mean off-specs, cause I dont tank in raid. but our raid tanks arent good m+ tanks.

[strong forum]

Ask for your ranged dps to kick

[oak lotus]

Before u pull

[plush tendon]

pulling four casters there seems like a bad idea as a war TBF

[strong forum]

And that

[crystal iris]

ahhaha yup

[oak lotus]

Nah u can do it

[crystal iris]

Still getting used to the tanking

[strange path]

if you set the dungeon difficulty to normal it will make things easier :)

[crystal iris]

On normal I tank as fury now

Nothing holds aggro like a bladestorm

[oak lotus]

You could practice that 4 caster pack on your own too, 100% possible to make it work, You can prob use stairs to help with loss or the edge of that platform if you really dont trust kicks

[crystal iris]

Think this season I’m going to work with a more consistant team so I’ll be able to coordinate things better

[oak lotus]

Somehow this pull always works for me lol

[crystal iris]

Problem is usually I’m dps in our “high” keys team and I’ll tank for lower guild keys and pug 15s as practice

[crystal iris]

As long as patrol isn’t there true

Do you guys shield wall for that pull? Those casters hurt like hell

[oak lotus]

Spell reflect and kicks. Shield wall is either on cd or needed for 2 pull later

[crystal iris]

Also I asked last night but only got one answers so I’ll ask again because more people seem to be on. How much damage taken per second is like acceptable? I don’t have any other warrior tanks in the guild to compare to. Let’s say in 14s-15s I’ll take anywhere from 3-4K dtps

[oak lotus]

The higher the key the more dmg you take

[crystal iris]

I for sure need to be more proactive with this. I am too reactive with it

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt really look at the DTPS metric; if you are logging your runs, look at how many hits you are blocking and how many spells are getting off that couldve been kicked

[oak lotus]

^

[crystal iris]

No i know thats why I specified 14s-15s. I think its a good metric to see if im making the healers life hell / using my defensicves properly

[crystal iris]

I see

[oak lotus]

Also looking at healing done from the healer

[crystal iris]

Never logged a dungeon, just raids

[plush tendon]

Yea, DTPS doesnt scale with key level

[oak lotus]

if he healed you for 50% of his healing on bursting, say you're doing something way wrong

[plush tendon]

Youll also find that people take way less damage at higher key levels because they do things correctly

[low timber]

if only Blood didnt feel so shit to play, I have a DK and do tons of dps on it, but tanking as blood just feels harder for no benefit.

[crystal iris]

not like im trying to take damage haha, i have SB and IP up almost all the time

Kite when i need to (probably should more)

[plush tendon]

Its fine; blood is just in a weird spot right now

[oak lotus]

Blood dk deals no dmg tho. Try keeping aggro with fury warriors and fire mages

[plush tendon]

that to; big sad

[strong forum]

"Right now" as in, since 8.1

[plush tendon]

Hey... shut up

[low timber]

Sorry i'm talking about off-specs still. my UH off spec does tons of dps so it'd be fine in raid, but blood just feels bad to play vs bear or prot warrior.

[strong forum]

Only for roughly 2.5yrs bdk is in a wobbly spot

[plush tendon]

The bonestorm nerf and the 10% armor nerf did us in

feels bad

[oak lotus]

Blood is fine. It's just the threat really. Dmg is a little low but if you play with hig dps healer, you're prob more than fine till u do 25s lol

[plush tendon]

made me try Prot for the first time back in 8.1; so not all bad

[low timber]

I've tanked 15s on my blood dk it just feels like I'm working 10x as hard to do shit bear does with one button. so kinda takes away from the experience.

[oak lotus]

Then u just dont like bdk haha

[strong forum]

You cant stop me from hating on bdk!

🏃

[plush tendon]

People like that

[low timber]

I do like it, used to main it all of bfa.

[plush tendon]

same

[oak lotus]

I love it. Just dont like the aggro/dps issue rn

[low timber]

I often have to tank for guildies and they kinda fuckin suck so I have 0 room for error lol.

[mellow bridge]

so what's the plan now for severing strike in SD now that you cant outrange it without it going on a dps 🤔

that shit hurts so much on any high key

[strong forum]

Eat it

[oak lotus]

Kyrian pot

Bop cancel

Or heck

parry

[sweet summit]

kill them

[oak lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[mellow bridge]

400k dmg from 6 slices on a +20

that's pretty monkaS

and I kyrian potted some of them

[plush tendon]

'lose aggro' and spread the debuff 😛

[strong forum]

Share the love

[oak lotus]

Thats also a good plan

[mellow bridge]

yeah I dont think killing my dps is the move

[strong forum]

Don't be so egotistical

[oak lotus]

Have them use their bubbles and shit

[strong forum]

It's a team game

[oak lotus]

trueeeeeee

[low timber]

maybe I'll go try tanking some shit on my blood while I labour over the decision of big fat dps vs not having to rely on crayon eating ape pugs.

[oak lotus]

Dks good for that kind of keys tho

Because you heal you

[low timber]

Ye, the crayon eaters are the pug tanks who dont know how to play

[plush tendon]

so many words of wisdom

[oak lotus]

I wuv craions

[jagged pier]

Preach it brother

🙏

[warm furnace]

I’m sure it’s been talked about but is the banner issue an actual bug or intended that way moving forward?

[jagged pier]

Its bugged

[warm furnace]

Kk ty

[blazing condor]

helping my friend get his halls portal and we lose the run to someone getting caught by Storming and missing the soak on the last boss

at least you respawn at the beginning of the dg so thats nice

[sick sentinel]

Hi fellow warriors, I'm preparing to start playing M+ hardcore and pushing over 20, I've been just messing around with Prot war and got 1600 rating in last season, And got 15s done. despite of the new M+ affixes I want to learn new routs based on the new changes thus what do you guys suggest me to look out for as my preparation? Should I get to import the new routes and practice them in this 2 days? where can I even find the new routes?

[blazing condor]

I dont think there really are any new routes that are "solid" considering that MDT isnt updated to support the new affix

meaning you dont see where the tormentors spawn

[sick sentinel]

f

so what to do you suggest?

[blazing condor]

i suggest waiting til the new season is out and then make your own routes

you can watch streamers play or play yoruself then note the locations with "notes" in MDT

to see where they would be until nnoggie fixes the addon

but maybe there are routes out there already you can find. i havent exactly looked

not to mention the old s1 routes wont be terrible in the beginning either

[sick sentinel]

yeah

I'll be sticking to those for a while

I think that's most reasonable

[mellow bridge]

there were def pics with all the lieutenant locations already

from the ptr

[sick sentinel]

at least to my noob brain

[sick sentinel]

Do you know any of them or anyone who has made a route for them or any guide?

[mellow bridge]

dont think there are any routes or guides

I remember some of the positions from playing on the PTR

[sick sentinel]

hmmm

what did you do? did you use the default routes?

[mellow bridge]

Mists: Right next to the closed gate to the shrooms, right next to the first boss, right after the gate that opens after killing first boss and after jumping down after 2nd boss

yeah we just did press W routes pretty much

[sick sentinel]

lol

[mellow bridge]

Spires there is one right before first boss (cant remember if before or after the pack, I think before), one after 2nd boss (you can pull it before the boss) one when you walk up the stairs to third boss

cant remember the fourth

uhhh what else did we do

HoA there was one behind the right shard, one in the courtyard in between a patrol and the pack i nfront of the boss

then when you go up the stairs there's one in the middle and one after 2nd boss

they dont trigger any other mobs when you pull them btw

so as long as you can get in range, you can pull them beforehand without triggering a pack

top had really uhhh interesting placement

right after 1st boss when you jump down, in the middle of the gorechop wing, after 1st miniboss and after the first big aoe guy in souls wing

so you probably just collect all 4 of them and go soul wing after that

was enough to easily time it on 20 but they did nerf the powers since then

idk if they didnt update the k value there but I felt 0 dmg taken increase

[sick sentinel]

lol

how sure you are on these?

from 100%

[mellow bridge]

well unless they changed any of the positions, I'm 100% sure about em

i know they changed one in HoA slightly

[sick sentinel]

Awesome

[inland raft]

Same locations i remember from ptr but only did a couple keys, does that mean they are on a set location?

[mellow bridge]

yeah theyre on a set location

[sick sentinel]

could you right for the rest of the dungeons too please ? : D

[inland raft]

Was worried theyd be randomized each week

[mellow bridge]

@sick sentinelbut it wouldnt be the first time blizz changes something without telling us from ptr to live

so they could be in diff locations in reality 🤷‍♂️

I dont think I did any other key sorry

[sick sentinel]

NP bro

[mellow bridge]

altho I know that in DoS there are several in the ring that connects all the parts

and one right after entering mechagon wing

[sick sentinel]

Thanks for these infos

[mellow bridge]

so for dos you prolly just walk around the ring once too if the powers are actually strong

they got nerfed pretty hard tho so idk

[inland raft]

True

Probably trying to discourage people beelining to them and backtracking but they arent pushovers so i dont like the nerfs to the powers kinda loses its kiss/curse theme a bit

[mellow bridge]

I didnt bother doing PF or SD as I hate those dungeons kekw

[sick sentinel]

PF prob the same using the bombs kinda thing

[mellow bridge]

well they buffed all the mobs themselves so theyre actually pretty hard on high keys

[sick sentinel]

so wont be an issue

[mellow bridge]

AND nerfed the powers

so in a coordinated high lvl group you will def skip some of em

depending on the dungeon

[mellow bridge]

bombs got wrecked

there arent any plagueborers standing around anymore and the miniboss only spawns 4 waves of them now

[sick sentinel]

RIP

[mellow bridge]

not sure how to route it now actually 🤔

i could see doing some of the shrooms at the start, all those packs after 1st boss are kinda sucky without bombs

[sick sentinel]

Do the torments give %? they do right?

[mellow bridge]

No

stuff like that never gives any %

[sick sentinel]

So it's like pride huh

Got ya

[mellow bridge]

yeah

or like the obelisks in bfa s4 if you played that

or emissaries in s3

[sick sentinel]

Nah I just started from 9.0.5

Thank you man

Helpful info

[mellow bridge]

np

[inland raft]

Woah new to wow?

Not a lifelong unhealthy addiction?

[copper lion]

is layer 10 unlocked tomorrow or in one week?

[inland raft]

Should be tomorrow?

[balmy coral]

I just got a Harmonic Crowd Breaker but the latest sim is not showing tyhe proc at all.

[oak lotus]

Ima bet you that it's not 60% uptime like the caster one

[waxen cradle]

Has anyone heard if they corrected the bug with the Necro banner ?

[blazing condor]

2 portals to go

[inland raft]

I lost interest after 1 when realized wasnt account wide

Ill get them at some point but wasnt gonna farm dead season for em

[patent osprey]

I did the opposite and got them on 4 chars..

[inland raft]

you also went venthyr

some people want to watch the world burn

[blazing condor]

If i get the dos portal it will also make me #1 server which would be nice

Even tho the new rankings on rio is a bit wonky

With the tyrannical keys and all

[urban portal]

This is the only week I can clear keys on

Else game too hard

[pastel sleet]

anyone got a resource for all the new trinkets? which ones are bis, whichones are good, which ones are traps etc.

[wide garnet]

just picked up a Harmonic Crowd Breaker. Seems to be doing solid damge in AOE, but i don't have any sims or anything

the proc is called Auditory Suppression

[cinder nova]

I just need to get NW

And of course none of our group has a NW key

So we all have to deplete our 21s down to 20, do the easiest 20, then roll the lotto.

[quiet crane]

Why not do the 21

Tis a good number

[distant crystal]

do the easiest 21

then you can reroll all ur 20s

[nimble laurel]

So, how do I bulk delete all these routes in MDT? :D

[oak lotus]

Keep em. Just chain stuff w.o fear

[nocturne sage]

helm or chest for 230 crafted?

[cinder nova]

You can reroll a 20 on a 20.

It's the same key level or below, not only lower keys.

And the reason is we're just trying to round out our Hero's Path. We don't care about the io at this point since it's literally less than 24hrs until the post-season folds.

[wheat blaze]

hey guys is this ok for a hoa 15 ? damage taken

https://prnt.sc/18vt5z5

[sturdy sable]

Damage taken is a weird metric

You should consider looking at damage blocked/block uptime

If you didnt die and your healer didnt mention it and you timed your key your probably fine

[wheat blaze]

they kept letting the loyal go off -_-

[mossy goblet]

Hey how much average DPs do you guys do in details on 15s usually
I seem to only do 3k and wondered if that was considered low

[urban portal]

Well how big are you pulling

[mossy goblet]

I try to pull decently big
Like if the dungeon allows me I pull more than one group at a time
I just find my boss DMG is low

[quiet crane]

That’s hard to answer as it comes down to a variety of factors such as pull sizes did you have to kite did you use potions and CDS at the right time example being did you pop avatar at the end of a pack that’s dying where you might not get as much value etc etc

Also the dungeon itself

[mossy goblet]

Okay , so if you saw a warrior playing optimally how much should they be able to hit

[quiet crane]

Again hard to answer depends on the key the affixes the dungeon the computer

Comp”

If you pull decently well and have an efficient run I’ve hit 6 k

Overall non NE cheese

NW

[mossy goblet]

Okay thank you
Would you have some players you would recommend to watch run throughs of to see

[quiet crane]

Log yourself and make vods

It’s the be set way to improve of your own play

[spring holly]

what about ST damage, since that is much more normalized

I find I'm around 2.5k(although I'm probably upping that by 1-200 dps gotta save my epeen lmao)

[quiet crane]

Look at how long you had things on CD for when engaged in combat uptime for SB on mitigated hits < read that carefully it doesn’t mean having it up all the time only when actively tanking

[mossy goblet]

Do you know how to find that in logs ?

And I should try for above 80 percent uptime right

[haughty sleet]

bloodmallet has it as 3rd best aoe trinket for prot

[distant crystal]

If you time your 20 you don't have a 20 to reroll anymore 🙂

[cinder nova]

We all have keys to reroll.

[fringe marten]

finally was able to get the vulpera change done..I feel like a filthy furry now. How does 'rummage bag' for bag of tricks work?

[sturdy sable]

Ya rummage ya bag

It does stuff

[fringe marten]

lol

[hot oxide]

Are we really at the top of the list now? I won't get turned down for Demon hunters? Or is Icy Veins lying to me and getting my hopes up to crush them

[empty spindle]

We are up there

But bear tanks will most likely be the defacto

[muted arch]

what were all the soul cinders sources this week

i feel like im short

[tame jasper]

2x thorgast, Weekly-Korthia-Cache, Weekly-Thorment-Cache and Intro-Storyline I think (but Im not surte about the story line)

nightfae assault?

and venthyr ah donnu

[cinder nova]

That's it, yeah.

[tame jasper]

I'm at 270

[cinder nova]

270 is where you should be.

[muted arch]

im short 50

if you skip story line is that 50 gone?

[tame jasper]

didnt pay attention when playing it on Wednesday

Thormenter Chest, 2x Assault, 2x Thorgast

accoirding to wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/currency=1906/soul-cinders#contained-in-item

[iron drift]

Any heroic/mythic raiding prot warriors available for a few questions?

[mighty valley]

Don't raid much mythic but maybe I can help

[tame jasper]

I only did heroic CN some time ago until guild quit raiding

[iron drift]

Still looking for a tank who has knowledge about heroic/mythic SoD for some questions can DM please

[elfin nova]

Ask me in two weeks

[crystal dirge]

I did raidtesting as vdh, but maybe i can answer, depends on questions, shoot

[pine cypress]

How strong would the alchemist stone be if ranked up to 230 with the new crafter's mark?

[jagged pier]

Weak

[pine cypress]

Fair enough, thanks for prompt reply 🙂

[main veldt]

What are best trinkets for AoE?

[jagged pier]

Aegis

And probs phial or hymnal

[cinder nova]

Hymnal? Really? 🤔 Like... Cabalist's Hymnal?

[jagged pier]

No

The world quest one

At 194 it does the same/more damage than most 226 trinkets

[main veldt]

What’s the full name of the hymnal?

[blazing condor]

Hymnal of the path

[exotic summit]

hymnal of the path, source - missions and callings

[main veldt]

Does phial apply its stacks via clap and revenge?

[wraith surge]

bruh what

[sweet summit]

to one target ye

but not on all targets hit @main veldt

[orchid frigate]

can i do tazavesh normal and then join for a hard mode later on same week or is there some kind of lock out?

[sweet summit]

you'd be loot locked at least i think

[orchid frigate]

ah

[sweet summit]

you/someone needs to kill first boss anyway to unlock hardmode afaik

[orchid frigate]

sounds reasonable

[sweet summit]

but thats w/e

[orchid frigate]

yeah

[main veldt]

So phial can only ever been on one target at a time, no exceptions?

[strong forum]

No, that's hymnal

Phial you can spread however you want

[jagged pier]

If i was at home i would show the screen shots but in most of my cases its just behind phial in overall and beat every other tinrket

[strong forum]

Phial is just big dick dmg across the board and gets stronger on multiple targets

[main veldt]

Whew good thing I put valor into it then

[strong forum]

It's arguably the best dps trinket in the game

*so far

**in SL

[main veldt]

Would a good prot warrior trink setup be blood barrier and phial?

[strong forum]

Aegis and phial

[main veldt]

Dope, ty

[strong forum]

Although old warrior soul can prolly beat phial

If you can keep the stacks

[wraith surge]

[main veldt]

Is it worth getting an early 230 Spiritual Alchemy Stone

[jagged pier]

No imo

[sweet summit]

its a decent trinket if you dont have better options

but its not something you'd use for a long time

[main veldt]

What if it’s replacing a decanter

[sweet summit]

item level? you can sim it for damage

altho decanter kinda oversims since you dont always hit everything

[main veldt]

226 decanter

Had this thing for a while would love to get rid of it

[sweet summit]

i wouldn't bother

[cinder nova]

Is there a way to farm hymnal?

[sweet summit]

nah

just get lucky

[jagged pier]

Just wait for the wq to pop

[near sundial]

WQ - mission table + the kyrian epic emmisary box

[jagged pier]

The dream to get the 203 one from the box

Did all the emissaies all patch didnt get it cauae rng

[near sundial]

my hunter has about 3 hynmals

neither tank has 1 ...

[jagged pier]

Im not sure why we proc is so much tbh but fron what i know it does more damage for prot than other tanks but i could be wrong

[blazing condor]

idk how its possible

just did a dos 20 where i would be top dps on packs

and pride

[jagged pier]

🤷

[blazing condor]

needless to say we did not complete it

[jagged pier]

At least u get invited

I spent an 1:30 last night being declined for 20s

Got fallen charger though

So cant complain

[blazing condor]

im jelly on that one tbh

but yeah its weird

ive personally not really had troubles getting invited

and i'd imagine we have similar score

[jagged pier]

Im higher than most ppl who have the group

But i shouldnt be doing them because ill cut my content for next patch XD

[blazing condor]

yeah i feel the same

but now ive kinda started doing it

so i want it lmao

but it's just shortening the longevity of the game

[jagged pier]

That was me and fallen wasted to much time had to commit

[blazing condor]

right? cus like if you put in X amount of hours and dont finish