Im white im safe
#protection
inland raft
inland raft
Id just toss a box of donuts out the window and keep doing my thing
strong forum
u rite
plush tendon
What if they send the swat team after you?
sweet summit
run away?
blazing condor
not if ur fast enough
plush tendon
they enjoy the chase
inland raft
Ut ya even though it’s unnecessary its fun to me to play the build i sat at 18 second capped shield block for a while with 2 charges of block sitting there cuz alam just kept instant resetting the other day like i was basically just pressing slam revenge slam for a good 30 seconds
ionic fern
To answer your initial question - the more the merrier. 🙂
~25%+ is generally where most people are sitting at and feeling comfortable.
plush tendon
speed up
you speed up, and then they just get faster tanks from the military; i dont know how geared your police are in Norway, but here in the US they rocking full BiS
sweet summit
they've got a couple blues but mostly greens out here
inland raft
Tanks are slow though, even the modern upgrades only bring their speed to mid 50s
sweet summit
nah just toss some nitro in there and its speedy
inland raft
And its dangerous to run them that fast
plush tendon
Well, tanks, humvees, helicopters, drones, and whatever post cold war crap they can get their hands on
inland raft
Helos and drones only thing im concerned about
I hope to god to never set foot in a humbee again
I did my time in the desert
Fuck that vehicle
grizzled forge
Is that 25+ base or with ITF up?
jagged pier
Base
blazing condor
base on what
sweet summit
based on feelings
jagged pier
distant crystal
remember kids, always ground your axioms
sick sentinel
are there any good cookie cutter groups to try to build around PWar for phsyical damage? i know back in the day hunters, warriors, and dks all made you do more physical, maybe shaman i guess too
strong forum
only monk and enhancement shaman
sick sentinel
or range specs that prefer to take necrolord, mostly DK what i see that takes necro
hunter mark is only for hunter i guess? kinda sucks
distant crystal
havoc dh to make your spell reflects hit harder
sick sentinel
seems like all the good range classes are magic and NF
fresh ruin
How do people think Warrior tanks compare to druid tanks for 9.1?
sick sentinel
don't see too many rogues, but they are all over place for covenant, mostly necro, but wide variety of what is there
warrior is fine and can stop alot of incoming damage, but it doesn't heal itself often, or for much
strong forum
How do people think Warrior tanks compare to druid tanks for 9.1?
in what context
in m+ druid is likely best
in raid both are perfectly good
fresh ruin
Kinda both, im trying to pick my main for 9.1 before raiding starts
strong forum
whatever you enjoy more
fresh ruin
keys i typically am in the 16 to 18 range
sick sentinel
critical block can turn melee attacks into literal tickles, like from 5k per swing to like, 1500 dmg
the warrior playing for you has to have a functioning brain to activate shield block, and have situational awareness, or it goes to crap fast
ionic fern
keys i typically am in the 16 to 18 range
Won't matter that much in those key levels.
They just have 2 different playstyles so it's what ever you enjoy most.
plush tendon
in raid both are perfectly good
I think in raid War takes the edge over guardian cause of raid CDs and mandatory raid buff (granted you only need 1 war)
sick sentinel
no raid is complete without mage warrior and paladin
strong forum
people need to get their head out of their ass and stop to only play whats good or better
thorny bane
Has anyone used Khakan's Weak Auras? If so, thoughts on it?
amber herald
no but if you're looking for a WA package quazii is another one
thorny bane
I'm not a fan of Quazii--his WA, videos are fine and I enjoy them. Switching computers today and figured it would be a good time to considering switching WAs.
But thanks for the suggestion.
sour nova
WA's are powerful and simple enough that I always advocate making your own packages.
quiet mesa
Hello, new here! I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find it; is Venth prot warr tank even viable up to 15s? I love playing Fury warrior and don't want to give up Condemn but it doesn't appear to be very good for prot
mighty valley
yes
blazing condor
In 9.0 you had the #1 pwarr on rio as venthyr
doing 23s or whatever it was
so yes
quiet mesa
oh damn
blazing condor
you can play any covenant and push as high as possible
mighty valley
Every spec/cov combo is viable for KSM
quiet mesa
Good to know
so as venth, should I interchange ignore pain with condemn if there are more than 2 targets?
**err, use IP instead of Condemn with more than 2
patent osprey
I dunno man, venthyr seems sus
mighty valley
You'll be using most of your rage on Revenge and just bleeding off with IP to stop overcapping on most difficulties
but yeah, condemn is really only on the menu for bosses/big dudes
patent osprey
who would be crazy enough to try to venthyr tank as prot
mighty valley
the dumbest people alive tbh
patent osprey
^
sour nova
Play whatever you want, there are appreciable differences, but none sufficient to override game enjoyment for prot at least.
ebon geyser
anything in korthia gives renown
quiet mesa
2 quests
sweet summit
weekly quest
ebon geyser
im at 18 and havent done any campaign since renown 8
strong forum
well...
you should do campaign then
but if your this low on renown
i would recommend doing LFR or spam some dungeons to catch up quickly
the weekly quests are supposed to get you from 40 to 42
not from 18 to 20
ebon geyser
until what level
i literally havent done callings or anything
i though wq would have renown but i guess not
distant crystal
world boss callings raid bosses plaguefall skip spam
hybrid ravine
Need a quick brain check. Reprisal. Feet right?
ebon geyser
legs
blazing condor
did my first post-nerf/buff PF
it is shit
it was always boring to do but at least it was pretty easy
ebon geyser
always has been 🔫
blazing condor
now its just boring and not easy
inland raft
I keep trying to work up motivation to get my portals
elfin nova
we pressed w through 20 plaguefall yesterday and 2 chested it
still seems like it will land as one of the easier keys
ebon geyser
finally replaced a 138 trinket
proven inlet
@grim urchin for the banner thing it is bugged and target the two target with the lowest GUID ( its an ID created when a character is created on a server or on a transfer) hope they fix it or you need to pay 2 realm transfer to all your guild to have the right targets
rugged basin
is kyrian going to be THE raid covenant again this tier?
sweet summit
yap
lofty widget
have i missed something or is mikanikos the m+ soulbind for kyrian in 9.1?
sinful stone
what stats should i pick for my legendary
late cloak
haste and either crit or vers
ebon geyser
haste vers
grim urchin
<@265375038763433985> for the banner thing it is bugged and target the two targe...
Surely they fix that fast. Thanks!
sweet summit
They buffed the leech shard? 👀
chilly brook
They buffed the leech shard? 👀
begone weeb
crude notch
And speed
mellow patio
<@!545333834514825227>
Hello
sweet summit
Shush old man
sweet summit
Letsgoooooo
crude notch
chilly brook
Shush old man
excuse me I'm 25 ok
crude notch
sweet summit
Old
sweet summit
Yes
sweet summit
True :/
Maybe im the problem 
@mellow patio are you still playibg warrior? Havent seen you herr in a while :/
sick sentinel
nobody ever really plays enhance shaman i guess?
sweet summit
Miss the psychus stomping dwayne the proc johnson :/
sick sentinel
rogue doesn't provide some kind of debuff or buff that makes group hit for more? i'm trying to work out how to make melee based group as pw
sweet summit
Rogue doesnt, no
chilly brook
just pick DPS that have good ilvl and score
sick sentinel
always seem to run into problems if i try to to invite 2 or more physical dps
chilly brook
ez pz
tbh
just make sure you have lust and brez somewhere in your comp
and you shouldn't have issues
sick sentinel
i always try to pick people that have A, lust/hero, B battle rez C covenant, and then a fill or cc guy making m+ groups
what i am saying is magic dmg buffing is easy, you get a DH and druid/mage
just grab a monk
not so much for physical, which would make the keys go faster with them if you bring stuff that buffs them
ancient prairie
trying to get reprisal memory, does it only drop on layer 3 or all higher ones too? do i just have bad luck?
sleek gale
trying to get reprisal memory, does it only drop on layer 3 or all higher ones t...
on layer 3 and all above, in Upper Reaches, and is a guaranteed drop there
cosmic dust
trying to get reprisal memory, does it only drop on layer 3 or all higher ones t...
Also, doing a 9 seems to be separate from the loot table for it. Cleared a 9 from the get go on my warrior for the first time, didn't get the legendary or the achievement for The Upper Reaches. Went back and did it again and got them both on layer 3
sleek gale
I stand corrected then. Seems like a silly distinction to make but atm I'm hardly surprised by that.
chrome falcon
What do we take out of BSC, dragon roar, and booming voice for single target tanking
BV, right?
mighty valley
yeah generally BV
you can sim it against dragon roar for pure DPS, I thought dragon would be higher single target but it wasn't in nathria
and BV has other benefits
chrome falcon
tyty
and devastator/anger management never change, right
and it's ravager for m+ and ITF for raiding? i know i'm asking for the short answer to questions with long answers here but 😛
mighty valley
yep, haven't really looked into if there are any ravager-friendly fights in sanctum, but generally ITF is the way to go
chrome falcon
oh and very specific question that i've asked like 10 times and i don't think anyone knows the answer to
does Glory work with the necrolord conduit that makes banner give you more strength
it certainly should, but given that Bolster doesn't work with the venthyr legendary, i have doubts
the 15% strength becomes part of the buff from banner though so... i have fewer doubts
ancient prairie
Also, doing a 9 seems to be separate from the loot table for it. Cleared a 9 fro...
ya same for me now
digital arch
some tank for HoA18?
heavy belfry
looking to have prot warrior as an alternate if we don't have warrior buff on a fight for mythic prog. Currently Night Fae but wasn't sure if any of the other covenants would be better, after reading the FAQ I was wondering if any changes are being made with 9.1
plush tendon
looking to have prot warrior as an alternate if we don't have warrior buff on a ...
Right now, all Covs are viable. But in general, Kyrian for all purpose+kyrian dungeon bonus, NF for damage and fun, Necro for simping and aesthetics, and Venthyr for PvPers or raid dps main spec
Question that is popping up is whether or not Kyrian will turn into the best Cov outright due to the owl
sick sentinel
tried pf 15 again, but a bunch of stupid random deaths to nothing, 31 seconds over, i did it on time once at least
plush tendon
def gonna get nerfed
thats sort of what Im waiting for; but if it doesnt, Kyrian will become be higher dps then NF and therefore, NF's redeeming quality becomes the knockdown affect plus being good for arms and fury (M+)
still its play what you like, no big deal
chrome falcon
i managed to get 12 consecutive seconds of 40 rage execute spam with last stand+banner+avatar+ravager+bloodlust
so honestly as far as i'm concerned, the class has been optimised
misty timber
Any picks on best anima powers for 10+ next week? Given latest changes and all
unique shale
Any picks on best anima powers for 10+ next week? Given latest changes and all
tbh just pick what you need
If you don’t feel squishy just picked DPS increase anima
or mix or just defensive
lavish oracle
Anyone played halls with the new wicked bolt buff?
sick sentinel
Not entirely sure if they nerfed it but didn't have 2 bomb guys running at tentacle part with elite at stairs
lofty widget
Anyone played halls with the new wicked bolt buff?
on the 20 i did they did around 30-40 %, can definitely feel the buff
cinder nova
Oh yeah did a 21 HOA
It's brutal
You gotta soft CC/kick or you blow up on some pulls
So, why did we shift from UH to Blood set?
What changed? It looks like the set is unchanged? Or is it the individual shards that make it not worth?
spare zodiac
heya is prot war viable now
little hawk
heya is prot war viable now
It is, the only time this question matters if you run for world first or extremely high keys.
opaque quest
Warrior always was viable. Even in 9.0
cinder nova
It's been viable, yeah.
WF was done with Prot.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is basically trolling or stanning for whatever mathematically challenged streamer they simp the hardest for.
plush tendon
It's been viable, yeah.
shhh dont tell anyone; its bad enough people are putting us on tier lists
ember lodge
Do I have to craft wall lego on back to accommodate for SD gem slots?
ember lodge
Ok thanks bud
cinder nova
I mean, not a lot of reason atm to make Wall tbh
Unless one of the fights really treasures SW uptime for some reason?
Or you cba to use Rep
austere cave
Are Bloodshards still desirable in comaprison to the other sets after the recent tuning?
cinder nova
Nom lol
limpid pawn
thats it?
blazing condor
Does stygia have any practical use now?
round vortex
rotund parcel
o on that note, what am i meant to do with all this anima i have now?
gunna need a nathria sized storage facility tbh
opaque quest
o on that note, what am i meant to do with all this anima i have now?
What a flex lmao. I just got my last lvl2 building lol
wet compass
huh looks like limit might be running double dk so no double prot war instant nerfed shenanigans least judging from renown levels
blazing condor
they really think im gonna sink all my anima into path of ascension
i will die an anima millionaire before i do that shit
wet compass
What else are you going to do with it bonus rolls 😛
blazing condor
im a man of principles
strong forum
For me? Its the trash
Literally useless currency
It doesn't even offer good transmog
I'd be okay with having to spend hundreds of thousand of anima on a good transmog set
But just a purple recolour of the base set is 
blazing condor
opaque quest
No idea why anima isnt the new azerite or artifact power
opaque quest
Nobody. But its better than anima
At least i could do a dungeon, get nothing but still improve my char a little bit by getting a new ap level
Now i get jackshit
strong forum
Thats why I got concerned when they announced the "no infinite AP grind" on blizzcon
Sure it sounds good at first, but for 90%+ of the playerbase it hasn't been an issue where you actually grinded islands of mos for several days 10h+ a day
I for one liked the AP world quests
opaque quest
People dont think about longterm
Sure, AP Grind in the first 4 weeks is aids. But when theres nothing to do there was still ap grind
Better than nothing
strong forum
I just miss the lack of incentive to do anything
opaque quest
Agreed
strong forum
In m+ you could always get that max TF
opaque quest
Hard to do rn
strong forum
What I appreciate tho is that korthia is tiny
opaque quest
Agreed
But i still believe isle of thunder was infinitely better
Same as timeless
nova arch
I’m thinking of switching from prot paladin (ilvl 218 mostly heroic nathria geared) to prot warrior (literally hit 60 at 3am this morning 😂). Having 4% haste as prot warrior feels baaaaad.
nova arch
But i still believe isle of thunder was infinitely better
Still one of my favourite patches in the history of wow. The pvp dailies in particular.
Prot warrior is looking pretty good for raiding and m+ this patch, right? Better than prot paladin.
strong forum
Ya
wet compass
Nobody. But its better than anima
No it's not
wet compass
I just miss the lack of incentive to do *anything*
I love being able to play other games on non raid days but maybe I'm just weird
opaque quest
With AP you could still play other games. Im playing FF14 and Destiny 2 since years and never ever had to farm AP
urban portal
I mean in 9.1 you can go perma farm korthia
strong forum
I love being able to play other games on non raid days but maybe I'm just weird
I'm the kind of guy that only focuses on 1 game
So it's trash for me
opaque quest
Was the same until MOP. Now i want to slave away at wow but cant lol
Corona makes us all sit at home and blizz removes grind <.<
sweet summit
so just level/grind on an alt 🧠
opaque quest
Stop making sense
nova arch
Grind soul ash in torghast
opaque quest
Can you actually farm TG now?
nova arch
Yes
nova arch
Think you get 20% of the amount of a full run but yes, soul ash is infinitely farmable now
opaque quest
I might actualy play alts then
sweet summit
you get like 200 from runs that are not the first of the week
nova arch
Find a layer level you are comfortable with and can do quickly and then just speed run that shit
opaque quest
Upper reaches is up anyways
nova arch
That’s where reprisal comes from, right?
sweet summit
ye
nova arch
Should I go for that as my first legendary?
sweet summit
ye
nova arch
I have 225 legs sitting in my bags.
opaque quest
Defo
sweet summit
nice
opaque quest
Reprisal is fricking godlike
nova arch
I’m only 165 cus I bought 5 korthian armaments and sent them to my warrior
So I’ve got ilvl 148 blues and then 5 ilvl 200 purps 😂
opaque quest
Ahahaha
Corth stuff is dope af
To bad its 1k per. Cant afford that shit. I had like 5k on my DK
nova arch
I had 5k on my prot paladin so just bought 5 of them and funnelled to my warrior
Also, ffs why are they random instead of bought per slot like gear was in nazjatar
opaque quest
No clue. Benthic was infinitely better
nova arch
I had a pair of 213 boe bracers from nathria and one of the korthian armaments I spent 1k on was…you guessed it - bracers!
opaque quest
From the 5 i bought i got 2 bracers, 2 shoulders and 1x legs. All 5 dead slots
nova arch
Ok that’s worse
graceful cobalt
if i play with the wall M+ wich Talents i choose? And wich Conduits
graceful cobalt
i have read pins
urban portal
You can also send soul ash in a couple weeks
graceful cobalt
play i with wall on M+ also best servered cold??? and Revanger or
graceful cobalt
should i Take Boom voice? and ITF?
sweet summit
i answered you
nova arch
You can also send soul ash in a couple weeks
Yes. Costs 250 to send and you send 200, so you lose a bit but still not bad if you can blast through on a high ilvl character and funnel to low ilvl alts
urban portal
You can buy a piece and it'll still count towards your ilvl even if you can't equip it
When I was gearing an alt, I had a 190 equipped with a 235 base item sitting in bag
And that's how I get accepted into stuff
opaque quest
And that's how I get accepted into stuff
Damn
raw mortar
it was useful to get into lfr (170ilvl) on fresh 60. 235 in bag, full 168 crafted set, any darkmoon trink, then do 2-3 heroics for trinket or weapon and you can queue
nova arch
Nice
opaque quest
The real question is: What do i play as alt. Main Frost DK, alt prot. I got CM Set and Magetower for all Classes/speccs. RDruid?
blazing condor
just did a NW 18 that went ezpz
but still i usually just kinda play auto-pilot
so wanna see if im doing something stupidly/could do something better
just open to any info that can make me better at the game 
jagged pier
Sure can send it to me and once ive had a shower and made food ill have a look
blazing condor
thanks a lot : )
blazing condor
Sure can send it to me and once ive had a shower and made food ill have a look
and dont mind my gear i havent changed it in a loong time and forgot i had splinter and vers gems
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RTVHWB2Ft4rz83N9/#fight=last&type=summary s...
nothing major blocked hits are 73% so could be slightly better, and im sitting at around 1 more TC a minute and a few more revengjs a minute but nothing awefully out of wack tbh
blazing condor
okai thank you
jagged pier
like for instance in a key usually my revengj is my highest cast ability
yours is ss but its not far behind
and good use of rep is around 80% blocked hits
could use SW more i guess only cast it 3 times
blazing condor
Yeah i dump a lot of rage into IP that i could use on revengj probably so there's some dps to be gained there
and yeah im a bit greedy on SW/LS i dont really use them if i dont feel like i "should"
idk i'd have to log higher keys to kinda get a more "real" log
jagged pier
well u used LS 7 in 26 mins and it has a 3 min cd u used that pretty well
storm ravine
Hi guys, lets say I want to push next season with a full premade group. We have a destruction lock, a havoc DH and a fury warrior as DPS and a resto shaman as healer. We needed a Necro so I took the bullet and went with the necro prot warrior. I am also tank in my raid roster and I am going to go warrior too. Is glory good enough for m+ (lets say 20s) or should I craft reprisal at max lvl to have a fair chance in m+?
jagged pier
no
u want reprisal in m+
glory is a defensive lose in raid but its alright and give the extra dps
but u loose far to much in m+ without reprisal
strong forum
It's possible to be played, but you're gonna have a bad fucking time doing so
And you yourself will lose alot of dps because you'll have to kite alot more and you don't get to play AM
So you just lose dps by playing glory in m+
sick sentinel
it's a tricky rythym to get into, but you get a TON of rage if you manage your intervene/charge/leap(for to do another charge and mob doesn't change location)
and you just use charge/intervene on CD
storm ravine
thats gonna take a lot of practise but I am down to do it, I was tanking as a BDk this season and it had 0 mobility compared to warriors
sick sentinel
its also making sure that you are facing your target so your blocks go off
can be tricky
storm ravine
I guess I will just craft The Wall and Reprisal rank 5 whenever I can and forget about glory then. Thanks for the help guys!
storm ravine
oh so I need glory for raid
jagged pier
u will be using glory otherwise your initing
storm ravine
Cool cool thanks
strong forum
The thing about necro pwar is
If you don't play glory in raid, you might aswell not be necro either
jagged pier
☝️
storm ravine
Makes sense
strong forum
You will be weaker defensively, but it should be fine as long as you play around those weaknessess
Raid isn't all that hard on tanks
And in m+ you just play reprisal in pretty much every case unless you're doing Baby content for shits and giggles
Or unless you know better ;)
That's the exception for everything
storm ravine
hahahah I will do what you guys say, it all makes a lot of sense tbh
sick sentinel
im reading what the banner and glory does and it seems like it'd be really nice
young oasis
anyone have some good and effective WA for reprisal? Just to remind about intervene/charge. There was one on WAGO, but I can't find it now
visual drift
i was away from the game more or less. are there any significant changes?
is nyja still the best for night fae?
strong forum
anyone have some good and effective WA for reprisal? Just to remind about interv...
i just look at my charge and intervene buttons and judge wherether or not i need more SB uptime
🤷♂️
jagged pier
☝️
visual drift
ah cool. Thank you Nomeratur. So Korayn since i don't play in raids
is there a guide to build korayn? have him only for MS in the past
karmic plinth
something like this
hollow sun
Are we really forced to do raids cause of domination sockets?
strong forum
yup
hollow sun
is it a huge dps loss playing without them? i have a total of one boss in CN
hollow sun
but for example, if someone raids only hc, isn't the il from the max great vault better than a lower il item with a domination socket?
strong forum
no
a heroic piece with a dom socket will be worth much more than the ilvl gain vs a non dom socket piece
atleast with current tunings
they could always decide to nerf stuff last second even more
hollow sun
this sounds worse than corruptions, at least those could be farmed in mythics
scarlet bluff
And in m+ you just play reprisal in pretty much every case unless you're doing B...
What legendary is better for baby keys?
strong forum
seismic
terse nova
any1 else having problems with aggro? i did some m+ yesterday and i kept losing aggro. i never have that problem before even with their burst on openers
scarlet bluff
Thanks😊
strong forum
any1 else having problems with aggro? i did some m+ yesterday and i kept losing ...
nothing changed.
hollow sun
nop, no aggro issues so far
strong forum
so its defo on you
terse nova
miss my AA 😦
hollow sun
i had a harder time keeping aggro on pull as kyrian, but you adapt quickly
yeah, i am NF again :DDD
kyrian is too boring
terse nova
i am normally dps, so i changed to venth for now
terse nova
i lost my big burst on pull and stuck with condemn for some weeks
hollow sun
someone knows something about the adamant vaults from thorgast? i actually really enjoy the new thorgast, and i was wondering if there is a point in getting that research
visual drift
something like this
can you tell me what trait this is the blue one on the bottom
strong forum
its the new conduit from korthia
jagged pier
thats the new conduit
strong forum
incredibly lack luster and not worth any mention
karmic plinth
just something to fill the potency slot
visual drift
-.-
jagged pier
yer but its only better than SoF if u get the proc consistently
visual drift
how hard is the new dungeon so far?
strong forum
its not open
jagged pier
its not out
strong forum
but it will be easy
visual drift
ah okay
strong forum
unless they decide to last minute change numbers
which is what they are currently doing left and right
not like the PTR has been out for months
dense wigeon
hey yall new to prot warrior and im sure youve heard this 100 times but can any one give me a suggestion on which cov to choose? just hoping to tank up to +15s in the future
strong forum
whatever you think is coolest
elfin nova
What's your favourite colour
strong forum
otherwise just check the pins
humble ferry
@dense wigeon Kyrian
deep wedge
I have run upper reaches twice on the highest layer, and I have not received the reprisal legendary. Anyone know if it is bugged?
jagged pier
have u unlocked the runecarver yet?
deep wedge
yea, i have other legendaries
jagged pier
then u probs already have it
deep wedge
No, and somebody earlier was posting about the same thing so idk
strong forum
try at layer 3
celest glade
Which conduits do the most self-healing overall?
jagged pier
we dont care about self healing
endurance conduits
its unvering > stalwart> new one
celest glade
I'm just setting up a Torghast set to basically run through, so no healer friend.
spring holly
so I'm actually a little confused with unnerving? Does that mean you should try and use last stand on cd?
spring holly
really?
spring holly
yeah I def use demo shout on cd, I've always saved SW/LS for emergency moments(usually used together is that bad?)
jagged pier
the sign of a really good prot wawrrior is him rotating cds and using them effectivly while having them up for the big hits
jagged pier
yeah I def use demo shout on cd, I've always saved SW/LS for emergency moments(u...
u should never have emergency moments
celest glade
Which potencies do you recommend for m+/Torghast? I'm a fury main and just gonna tank when groups wanna roll through Torghast or m+ weeklies and stuff.
spring holly
@jagged pier yeah part of the reason I don't use LS all that often is I only do 15s/heroic so not that many emergency moments that aren't just a healer dying. What about rallying cry? I mean obviously in a raid maybe you use it when RL says so but in m+ should that just be spammed as well?
jagged pier
well with the conduit LS is also a big dps increase so its like a dps cd
and rally well i use that if i have like nothing and im dying otherwise i save it for prides atm
dusty schooner
Does anyone know what talents and soul binds should i take as Necrolord using the Glory legendary?
jagged pier
dont know about next week
jagged pier
Does anyone know what talents and soul binds should i take as Necrolord using th...
used to be eminem, dont know anymore
dusty schooner
what?
ebon geyser
morning folks
dusty schooner
youre talking about the soulbind?
jagged pier
talents
umm so u would be raiding
because u wont use glory in m+
so
deva/DT/BV/BS/indom/ITF/bolster
dusty schooner
why not use glory in m+?
jagged pier
u loose far dropping reprisal in m+ its the reason we are classed a lot better than we were
bascallyu u can run glory but your gunna have a very bad time
and your going to loose a lot of dps
because your gunna have to run bolster
because u will have like 50% blocked hits otherwises
meaning u cant really push key lvl at all
if your gunna just do 15s youll be fine
dusty schooner
what is reprisal?
jagged pier
our best leggo
jagged pier
its a legendary
the only one u run if u arent necro
if your necro u run glory in raid
and reprisal in m+
dusty schooner
i want to be a necro and use glory... do you think i can as arms or fury?
strong forum
yes
jagged pier
yes
spring holly
was revenge ever off the gcd or am I making that up?
jagged pier
making that up
dusty schooner
arms or fury?
plush tendon
arms or fury?
yes
jagged pier
ither
plush tendon
theres no reason why you cant play any Cov for any spec
jagged pier
as i said u can play glory just in m+ your gunna have a bad time
spring holly
@red fern I have a new prot warrior, just did upper reaches at layer 3 and got the repirsal legendary memory
strong forum
idk i couldnt get empower bonus to work
cuz fucking mobs would deaggro 24/7
so i had to do tiny ass pulls
like 20 mobs at best
and i dont have seismic :^)
jagged pier
F
strong forum
used my good ol stompers
for that demo shout uptime
but i guess i should craft seismic
jagged pier
i would run rep over TL in torgy tbh
strong forum
my first 3 powers
were literally "mobs affected by shouts take 30% more dmg"
literally the first 3
then i got 3 shout extensions
jagged pier
well i get 1 per run if that
jagged pier
https://i.imgur.com/nelQhZ4.png
got to get them glasses
strong forum
plush tendon
<a:catjam:741127114845061211>
amber herald
how's the kyrian leggo comparing to seismic?
ebon geyser
i hate getting dp[s conduits in tank spec
jagged pier
MONK E
sweet summit
87% completion is holding u back brug
chilly brook
87% completion is holding u back brug
Big facts
strong forum
because there was a dumb fork
ebon geyser
is the 17 runs in lvl 9 or what lvl in torghast
strong forum
for what
ebon geyser
so i can craft the 235
strong forum
i think so yeah
ebon geyser
fml
mental scarab
Lul
blazing condor
does time weigh heavier than completion for rank 4 in torgy?
chilly brook
Real talk the new torghast layer is kinda dumb
chilly brook
does time weigh heavier than completion for rank 4 in torgy?
No
blazing condor
completion more important or they the same?
blazing condor
yeah thats what i feel
chilly brook
But at the same token dont throw time out the window either
Like still try to make efficient pulls
blazing condor
nah just curious
ebon geyser
17 runs oof
blazing condor
im geared enough to do it but i just hate torghast
so wanna spend as little time as needed in there
chilly brook
Its just annoying that the mobs leash so soon
Like the most I've really been able to do in a lot of areas is like two packs
Cuz the distance to the third is going to leash the first pack
Which is super triggering tbh
Although I also feel like pulling more than 2 packs is actually dangerous now
Shit hits hard
Or at least harder than I was used to
ebon geyser
i got reprisal last nite but no soul ash ..sad
elfin nova
17 runs oof
you can also just wait
it's not possible to make r5 yet anyway
2 runs this week and 2 runs next week gives you almost 4k
ebon geyser
im still gearing up , i just wanna try it
elfin nova
yes but i'm saying the 17 runs is because if you do repeat runs you get way less ash
you can just make it at 210 or w/e you have ash for this week and upgrade it later
ebon geyser
i have ash for rank 1 i believe
visual drift
hm i got the new adaptive armor fragment, but you say it isn't worth using atm?
condensed anima sphere? This seems new as well
ebon geyser
is it normal to sometimes feel like i have nothing to pres
jagged pier
just sat in my sanctum and this happens
jagged pier
no im on my tmog mount
strong forum
how truly agonizing
jagged pier
i mean hes not wrong i agreed im just wondering how he knows
edgy belfry
😄
ebon geyser
at what level should i made the switch to mika
strong forum
57
jagged pier
57
blazing condor
if i had the longboi i would just wait for people to run up to me then run around
just to be a dick
jagged pier
☝️
ebon geyser
57, Ty
ebon geyser
... stonks
visual drift
but not better than stalwart and unnerving?
for potency i use the nightfae skill and show of force
jagged pier
pretty much
stalwart and unvering are too good to drop
and the heal is nice but not great
and the potency one is like .5% better IF u get the buff consistently and thats a big IF
elfin nova
in what situation is it a big if
you need to go like 15 seconds without a heal for to drop 0.5% dps
considering the whole power it only 1.5%
elfin nova
the sim has it at 50%
elfin nova
i can't fathom a situation in any meaningful content where it drops by much
and even 40% it still beats SoF
strong forum
the thing that it requires is that you get healed after the CD is over
and that could vary from 1 to 8 seconds
cuz what if youre full HP
nobody gonna throw a hot on you
or a shaman gonna hardcast on you
elfin nova
you're in every ground effect if you're raiding
strong forum
raiding
sure
but then you gotta ask if ground effects count
or only if direct heals count
elfin nova
and in m+ you are rarely actually full hp
strong forum
ya but you often also dont get healed for like 10 seconds
because you dont need to get healed
jagged pier
☝️
elfin nova
i'm operating under the assumption that all healing events from other players counts
which may not be true
blazing condor
strong forum
what if the conduit requires direct healing
distant crystal
just leech
strong forum
have to get healed by an other player
visual drift
hm i got a lot of heals xD
mellow bridge
looking at sanctum hc guides rn, does the eye just not have a tank swap mechanic 🤔
visual drift
hm okay so i wait until i got a third space to use them. Thank you guys
elfin nova
it loses to SoF in aoe anyway even with 50% uptime
strong forum
sof is guaranteed value
visual drift
okay, i havn't used one of them either
muted arch
which soul bind are y'all using for heroic next week
blazing condor
Pelagos
muted arch
sorry any nightfae lol
elfin nova
niya
strong forum
always niya for raid
muted arch
oh right i was thinking only dreamweaver would have the extra potency
muted arch
thats why i was asking tho, wondering if extra potency changed anything
strong forum
ya
muted arch
the strength bonus doesnt seem bad
jagged pier
its like a 40dps increase on ST
strong forum
the str bonus is fucking horrid
muted arch
lol, which endurance do u guys use in raid
jagged pier
the same as always
elfin nova
tbh take the 3rd endurance it does more
you have to use +1 potency, that's the only thing on the 41/42/43 row
elfin nova
the str bonus is fucking horrid
about as good as our class ones, great system 🙂
muted arch
the only endurance that seems relevant is wall reduction
elfin nova
unnerving focus
strong forum
unnerving focus is very good
elfin nova
and the new one is 'fine' ie. better than our other class ones if you have 3 slots
jagged pier
its dogshit just like the last one
strong forum
real men dont use cheat death
jagged pier
real men didnt even get it
strong forum
bwah
primal cape
Hello big boys, i have a question : i feel like sometimes some melees are bypassing shield block
How many is the %block ? 100% ?
mellow bridge
shield block is 100% yes
you cant block hits from the back or while channeling stuff
so maybe that's it
primal cape
do you mean while using revenge or thammer it can hit?
ionic fern
shield block is 100% yes
?
primal cape
starting to push some 18 and i feel some melee hitting hardly with SB up
mellow bridge
i mean during shield block, your block chance is 100%
ionic fern
Shield Block is not meant to be kept up 100% of the time.
It's currently possible with a build thanks utilising Reprisal/ITF/HR but it's by no means needed in the majority of scenarios, especially not in a +18. 🙂
mellow bridge
that wasnt the question tho
he is asking what the block chance is during shield block
which is 100%
unless I am misunderstanding the question
ionic fern
Idk, i understood it the other way. 🤷
Maybe i'm the one misunderstanding then. 🙂
primal cape
No bro
primal cape
Just having SB up while tanking, my details shows some melees attacks
jagged pier
if u have SB u are blocking
ionic fern
^
mellow bridge
do you mean while using revenge or thammer it can hit?
no I meant like if you use the lanterns in SD as an example
or the urns in DoS
jagged pier
well yer blocking reduces damage
mellow bridge
those are rare cases tho
mellow bridge
oh yeah blocking a hit doesnt mean that you take 0 dmg if you think that ogan
it just reduces the damage
jagged pier
on logs (which u should be doing) it will show u how many hits u actually blocked
u want to aim for around 80% blocked hits
thats not details
jagged pier
no
for instance deatils show total uptime
ive had like 65% uptime but 80+% blocked hits
they are different things
uptime is kinda useless
primal cape
where can i find %block then ?
jagged pier
only in logs
jagged pier
again that means nothing u could have just used SB when u dont need it and wasted it for instance
primal cape
when you talk about logs, where can i find them then? raiderio or somewhere else?
calm obsidian
generally uptime is only incombat time if you have it set. It's not bad as a general indicator tho
jagged pier
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
jagged pier
generally uptime is only incombat time if you have it set. It's not bad as a gen...
i mean not really like what if the boss casting but u have shield block up, so u wasted that casts time and it will show to uptime but u werent blocking naything
calm obsidian
well for dungeons it's decent. Raids is a different beast
jagged pier
same applys in dungeon to caster and when your kiting
ive seen a lot of ppl pop shield block then start kiting
calm obsidian
true, but like you can tell if you're like 20% too low for the talents you're running, something is probably up, ya
primal cape
Ok, ill try to do that
Just looking now if im switching NF as im almost doing only m+ and some raids sometimes, was looking at pinned post, ty
hollow sun
A friend of mine new to prot warrior doesn't like the reprisal gameplay at all, and she is tempted to play the wall instead ( mythic plus ). How bad it will be to heal her?
sweet summit
depends on how well she plays
hollow sun
I always feel very squishy outside of shield block
sweet summit
because you are
hollow sun
yeah well, beginner level
plush tendon
The primary goal of a prot war is to maintain Shield Block; if you have times when you are tanking without Shield Block up, then that is a massive blunder
plush tendon
A friend of mine new to prot warrior doesn't like the reprisal gameplay at all,...
You can play The Wall if you really dont like reprisal, however the short of it is that Reprisal is very strong when played properly especially in M+
fringe marten
For a warrior that only tanks what is seen as the best race on horde for tanking? (Raid and M+ if they differ)
plush tendon
For a warrior that only tanks what is seen as the best race on horde for tanking...
Whatever looks the best :). I play Blood Elf, lots of people here swear by Vulpera, you got the boomers playing Orc and Taurens
fringe marten
Vulpera is good for M+ for it's damage output as I understand it; but for main raid tanking I think it's something else.
strong forum
plush tendon
but again, tauren has war stomp and blood elf has arcane torrent
fringe marten
Tauren has the stomp but also 5% more hp is the main reason, I used to be tauren a very long time ago.
plush tendon
If you want the most min maxed raid tank, then orc sims the highest by a grand total of 80 dps
plush tendon
Tauren has the stomp but also 5% more hp is the main reason, I used to be tauren...
Tauren has 5% more base health. Its not 5% more stam
fringe marten
ew..so it's like 1400 hp..meh
plush tendon
it is a minuscule number
fringe marten
That's unfortunate; that was a huge deal a long time ago.
Is Highmountain the better choice now?
plush tendon
The short of it; race dont matter. Choose the one that you want to look at or the one with the racial you like the most
plush tendon
Is Highmountain the better choice now?
the vers is pretty strong, so yea its good. But again, the difference is a fraction of a %
Dont think too hard about it
its not worth
fringe marten
It matters; since I'm losing Fireblood your racial does matter, there is a superior choice.
lavish oracle
The charge can be a nice little mobility option
fringe marten
Context: My guild threw in the towel and is transferring to horde.. so I'm deciding on my race now; looking up the options.
lavish oracle
Goblin is an extra leap if that matters to you
jagged pier
panda master race
lavish oracle
Ally racials are in general much stronger than horde racials
fringe marten
The food bonus I don't think out weighs other possible benefits..but maybe the horde bonuses aren't good enough.
vocal bison
the quadruple food verse buff with the verse amp last patch of bfa was pretty gnarly
fringe marten
As a tank nothing is going to match Fireblood on horde side..so I'm picking what is going to be the best alternative.
plush tendon
The food bonus I don't think out weighs other possible benefits..but maybe the h...
you are thinking way too much about race. Each one has benefits and its a matter of how you use it not what is BiS
strong forum
vulpera bis
lavish oracle
Vulpera is a decent chunk of healing, yeah
fringe marten
For what reasons? The highmountain has basically a little dragon charge, and a small flat per hit damage reduction.
fringe marten
As the 2 min racial timer?
strong forum
200+ hps
fringe marten
Or a perma effect?
fringe marten
(I haven't gotten to vulpera in the list I'm looking at)
plush tendon
the biggest benefit of Vulpera is the extra bag space and dont kid yourself
fringe marten
How does the orc damage boost function? what's it's % and duration?
plush tendon
and the extra hearth stone
lavish oracle
2nd hearth ain't bad
strong forum
yeah the hearth is nice
fringe marten
Oh yeah that is mad strong for M+..doesn't quite have the same value for raiding though.
fringe marten
Well honestly for raiding almost no racials matter unless they increase dps, or allow you to cure or avoid a mechanic.
So nose for trouble is a passive or you pop it and pull?
strong forum
nose for trouble is a passive
bag of tricks can heal your teammates for a fuckload and save them from dying
fringe marten
aw yeah; then vulpera would be the choice. It's not a shocker that one of the new races is better..they usually are. Same reason why mechagnome is so good. If it weren't for the cure part of it, the dwarves would be outclassed by the new races too.
strong forum
mechagnome is only good because they buffed the shit out of the racial
coming into SL
fringe marten
I guess it depends on how good the Loa buffs are? and how they work?
jagged pier
the loa buffs are not that great tbh
strong forum
you generally pick 1 loa buff, then forget about it existing
fringe marten
Mechagnome racial was super op, then got nerfed..then I guess rebuffed?
strong forum
and theyre all meh at best
fringe marten
If the Loa buffs aren't good then zandalari is trash; it's their whole identity.
the other parts are garbo..6 second channel for heal? nah
Slowfall?? LEL
strong forum
seriously
the races
dont matter
aesthetics >> usefulness
the only outlier for tanks is literally dwarf
and even that is mostly QoL
fringe marten
I would say the Vulpera bonuses definitely make them superior to some of the other choices.
Some of the choices might have better damage; so there's at least an argument to be made.
strong forum
yes but not enough to validate playing it even though you hate it
i went vulpera out of memes back when they launched
fringe marten
Well; I don't "love' or hate any of the races..it boils down to how mogs look. And that's the only sad part...orc and tauren mogs are S tier; I'm sure furry mog is dogshit.
strong forum
and then started to like the animations and tmog
so i stuck with it
and it just so happened to be really good defensively in m+
fringe marten
But I will take functionality and usefulness over xmog any day; it only becomes an issue if I can have equal function, then form comes into play.
dense trellis
the wall or reprisal for prog?
strong forum
for me orc and tauren are literal dogshit looking 
jagged pier
the wall or reprisal for prog?
reprisal
strong forum
the wall or reprisal for prog?
reprisal is generally better outside of niche cases or being lazy
fringe marten
Beephak use reprisal most of the time so you can make it's gameplay style second nature; that being said 'the wall' if you want simplified gameplay so you can focus on other aspects of the fight while learning them.
dude WHAT? Orc shoulder mog is so gud~
Taurens look amazing..weapons/shields/shoulders all get huge.
fringe marten
The problem with 'losing' dwarf is that my focus on belts will go away. The belt is the centerpiece of dwarf xmog and ties the whole suit together; it's MUCH more understated for other races.
dense trellis
thanks for the responses guys !
fringe marten
He OBV hatin'~
strong forum
i was tauren for 1 month in legion
1 month
thats all i could stomach
the animations are terrible, everything is so disgustingly disproporionate
fringe marten
(that is the beauty of the many races/etc..you do get to pick the look you like most of the time.)
The animations are..? well slow and lumbering like they should be I guess.
I was tauren long LONG ago like..vanilla/BC
then a buddy went alliance, and I went with him..and went gnome. then changed to dwarf after joining my guild.
strong forum
thunderclap for tauren looks like he's shitting his pants
no wait that was warstomp
fringe marten
you're pulled up overhead with the camera so usually it just looks like a big thunderclap around you..but honestly it's been SO long I've kinda' forgotten how my animations were. That was LONG before the new animations in game.
yeah warstomp is a very understated little hoof stomp
it's? whelming~
strong forum
dwarf is literally peak aesthetic
fringe marten
I remember the first time I hit the racial I went "did I do it? I don't..? I think so..."
Dude I'm legit gonna' miss my fire dwarf.
He is badass lookin'.
And now I'm going to get 'furry' jokes from the guild no doubt.
The best part is my cotank will be...a bear; like always. Grats on having NO xmog game for your class~
"but I can be mountain dew bear..and autistic gorilla.."
(speaking of xmog game; anyone built a new suit around the stuff you can buy in torghast? I did)
strong forum
ya
hollow sun
The trasmog from thorgast looks like one of those 3d models that still don't have their textures added on
hollow sun
I did, still looking bad
main wasp
with the new crafters mark, will getting the alchemy trinket to 230 be good enough to use? Seems like a beefed up version of Stone Legion Heraldry
main wasp
the new archivist one i think
main wasp
i think honored
sweet summit
so tier 5?
spare zodiac
Hey quick question guys, is it okay if im venthyr?
sweet summit
its not ideal, but it works fine
spare zodiac
aight thanks ! i dont know if regrinding 40 renown in kyrian would make me late for flying so i dont wanna fuck everything up
main wasp
Tier 4 is what it requires
sweet summit
oh neat thats not bad
grizzled current
Just wondering - I want to play warrior tank, and have a 60 warrior - however I have no shield, is there a solid way to get a shield?
main wasp
Blacksmiths can craft a shield
sweet summit
there is a 190 boe shield, but it might be a bit costly depending on server
celest glade
Kinda random, but what's a decent shield block uptime in a key WITHOUT the legendary?
sweet summit
with the wall? like 70-75% ish
celest glade
Without either hahaha
sweet summit
well same thing
celest glade
Oh okay
sweet summit
ideally you have higher but i think 70-75% is fine with bolster and no reprisal
storm urchin
Hey, is necro a good choise if I only want to raid?
plush tendon
Hey, is necro a good choise if I only want to raid?
yea!
they all good choices
for raid
mighty valley
Sure, you just gotta work to get the right people bannered ideally
storm urchin
Just want to be sure, thanks 😄
strong forum
Ya my highest block% with wall+bolster was 77%
Or well, highest that I've had seen from my logs, didn't really check many
In m+ that is
iron drift
Does anyone have a reddit post or google doc or something outlining heroic/mythic tank swaps/plans for SoD
shut isle
What is the best CD alignment with Conquerors Banner, not my own, but other classes.
sweet summit
they should know that 👀
jagged pier
☝️
ebon geyser
what is this emberfuse stuff im getting
hasty crow
What are the preferred trinkets for Mythic + nowadays? I got my Blood-Spattered Scale finally, but I'm not sure for number 2
Icy Veins is recommending the trinket from the new Dungeon once it opens for the 2nd slot
oak lotus
phial is usually around 200 dps for me. That's what I use as 2nd trinket
proud carbon
does anyone know why i'm getting 408 mastery from my banner
I get the same, but I don't have an answer as to why sorry (happens in arms and fury spec also)
grave vine
Mikanikos not competitive anymore? Is Kleia a better option for dps output than pelagos?
jagged pier
what?
jagged pier
mikanikos has never been competitive he will become best at 57 renown
high folio
im only 46k hp @ 224 ilvl?
grave vine
mikanikos has never been competitive he will become best at 57 renown
bron was spawning like crazy, but apparently, not intended
jagged pier
no hes spawning like normal
but thats not why we take mik
we take him for the 40 sec cd of spear
at 57
sweet summit
@high folio they did not, im at 69k
high folio
what the fuck
jagged pier
probs ui bug