being pressured to 4 star minimum 😮
#protection
limpid pawn
makes it worse
well... i guess after you unlock maximum level
you don't have to do it anymore right? you can just blaze through level 12
jagged pier
Yus
limpid pawn
yisssss
blazing condor
How do the stars work? Speed vs completion or what
limpid pawn
its everrything
jagged pier
Need to kill everything, while clearing everything
blazing condor
jagged pier
Or somthing like that
blazing condor
how they gonna make me spend as much time as possible in that hellhole
strong forum
Kill everything
Don't die
Don't get hit by traps
Be fast
But most importantly
Be kind 
blazing condor
🔫
jagged pier
Don't get hit by traps
Im gunna fail just to this 
jagged pier
Be kind <:hopium:839076769280557078>
frank hemlock
how good is glory if im going necro compared to the other two? (only mythic raid focused)
strong forum
Defensively very weak
Offensively you break even, for your own dps, with reprisal. But you're obv buffing 3 other players aswell
frank hemlock
I see. The gain for overall dps should be insane then if you break even for your own dps if you can align well
I imagine the wall is better than reprisal defensively as well?
jagged pier
No
ionic fern
Depends on the fight. 👀
Reprisal is great both offensively and defensively if you can constantly use it - as long as it's blockable damage.
The Wall can be amazing if the reduced SW CD overlaps with some spike damage mechanic etc.
frank hemlock
makes sense
im having a hard time using reprisal efficiently on our nathria reclears after rerolling
ionic fern
It will take some time to get used to for sure.
frank hemlock
specially since im already necro and i usually save intervene to drop banner
then i end up losing a few casts of it
brittle owl
ionic fern
Just play The Wall or Glory then and you're fine.
brittle owl
glory would prob be the play if you intend to simp the raid
frank hemlock
the defensive gain from reprisal is just from block uptime compared to glory tho?
because i imagine on some fights block uptime wont be much of a problem depending on boss mechanics and swaps
ionic fern
Jep.
frank hemlock
like sludge does for exemple since hes casting some shit all the time
ionic fern
PRetty sure you can raid without any legendary.
brittle owl
^
frank hemlock
i see
ionic fern
As long as you play your class properly you will not be hindered by your Legendary choice
But defensively speaking, yes - Reprisal is great vs blockable damage AND your own damage output.
You will gain some defensive benefit from Glory as well due to mastery increase but it's not reliable (RNG).
frank hemlock
yea
ionic fern
If you already went for NL just play Glory in raids imo.
And if you feel like you really-really need more defensive value swap for Reprisal/The Wall.
frank hemlock
i imagine the rage/second isnt much defensively wise as well
you get like what? 2 extra casts from ip every banner or some shit like that i think?
from the bonus rage because of the extension i mean
frank hemlock
i mean
banner gives rage/second no?
if it lasts longer, you still keep getting rage
brittle owl
yeah but you'd think more about the mastery gain
than the measly rage you get
that rage would get immediately dumped into anything anyway since you want to spend rage asap during banner
frank hemlock
if you get a really long banner it should add up tbh
hm true
i guess it depends if you can get a bit ahead of the timer at the start with the LS + everything
but at the end you should get like some 100 extra rage probably
which would be like 2 ip casts
ionic fern
100-150 sounds reasonable.
Depending on the CD's you have available and the uptime on the boss.
frank hemlock
i see
river escarp
So I have the quest "rebuild our trust" done for Kyrian, but not turning it in if i ever want to go back to Kyrian. I just left Venthyr and am now going NF. Can I have multiple "rebuild our trust" quests active just so I can easily jump back in whatever Cov i want? Venthyr is just so useless as prot war that I never seen myself using it even if you group needs a ven
frank hemlock
i believe they're doing some shit to reset covenant returns in a few days if that matters
river escarp
But thats only a one time use, but that doesn't answer my q though
river escarp
ya
hollow sun
I don't think so because you can talk and have dialogue only with one covenant at the time
It would be pretty lame if it was doable 😂
near sundial
anyone got kyrian soulbind trees for m+/raid imagine its bronn for both?
somber sky
How's prot feeling?
quiet tinsel
its always feeling the best ^^
cedar spear
So what trinkets are we looking at for raid and m+?
opaque quest
So what trinkets are we looking at for raid and m+?
Aegis is looking good so far
Then prolly still phial since its brainless, passive amazing damage
Or you take a stat stick like anima
Double on use is a nono but you could use hook too
jagged pier
Aegis and phial imo
cedar spear
And if we want to go defense for m+/harder hitting fights? Still Scale?
strong forum
Aegis for m+
cedar spear
I mean, Aegis seems a given anyways, asking about the other one since Phial is purely for dmg
jagged pier
U never run double on use
cinder nova
Aegis/Phial, yeah. Maybe Aegis/Heart if you're really getting blown away in high M prog
cinder nova
The new autoloot on Torghast is fucking 👌
cedar spear
I wanna push high keys, that's why I'm asking for defense thanks for the answers
cinder nova
Why that was an added feature and not baseline I'll never know
Pushing high keys is 95% play and 5% gear.
cedar spear
I know, I've done it for quite a while but I still like for the 5% to not make the 95% unnecessarily harder ;)
jagged pier
I mean it all revolves around jow comfortable you are tbh, like ive been rynning 19s with 2 dps trinkets because im comfortable but for some ppl they woild want scale or scale and heart for instance
low fossil
guys I'm looking for advice for tanking. I'm not sure I'm doing it properly. am I supposed to use shield block on cooldown? keep ignore pain up 100% of the time? I usually feel stuff is easy and I can keep ignore pain up all the time with rage to spare or that my ignore pain shield gets one shot and I have no rage to spend on generating threat at all.
cedar spear
I mean it all revolves around jow comfortable you are tbh, like ive been rynning...
Of course, I'm talking 22/23+ right now. I'm rerolling Warrior from Brewmaster this tier and with my Monk I'd never run more than one def trinket in a 20 either
jagged pier
guys I'm looking for advice for tanking. I'm not sure I'm doing it properly. am ...
A lot to un pack,
You are supposed to have shield block up as much as possible, its our main mitigation not IP, IP is basically just used to help smooth out damage you reduce with SB or your cds, its not something u need 100% of the time, u use it when u need it or if your about to overcap on rage. Its not something u rely on to stay alive.
It seems like you are focusing on using IP too much when honestly u dont press it that much at all and proper use of SB and cds will make u feel alot safer and gice u more rage to spend in for threat
But honestly logs would help a lot more so go log a few runs and come back im happy to take a look and give u advice based on what your doing
jagged pier
Of course, I'm talking 22/23+ right now. I'm rerolling Warrior from Brewmaster t...
Meh aegis should be enough imo and theres no cheat death so all the lazy tanks gunna need to get used to playing without one
low fossil
A lot to un pack,
You are supposed to have shield block up as much as possible, ...
its just that after tanking as paladin and having sotr up 100% of the time having to rely on SB for mitigation seems... flimsy. its really ahrd to get uptime on it
jagged pier
Not if u play correctly
low fossil
should I be using heavy reprecussions?
jagged pier
U can get like 85% blocked hits with reprisal if u play very well and theres a build thats gives u 100%
jagged pier
should I be using heavy reprecussions?
No
You should logs your runs honestly it sounds like you have the fundementals a but off
low fossil
yeah thats why im asking 😛
jagged pier
Yer but i cant really tell what thoughs are without logs
Far easier for the SF boos to see what your doing instead of you saying x
We are happy to help and look through stuff but theres not much we can do when you just go i feel x or im struggling with y
We need the data
cedar spear
@jagged pier thanks
jagged pier
👍
low fossil
@jagged pier you helped me plenty. I understand now that SB is more important than ignore pain, I thought since IP was easier to keep up it was the main thing. I'll change my priorities and see how I do. thanks a lot
low fossil
U can get like 85% blocked hits with reprisal if u play very well and theres a b...
last question. or 2 rather. I don't have reprisal yet, is it easy to recast charge in most cases? sounds hard to do when in the thick of things in m+, or impossible in some raid fights. and whats that build that gives 100% uptime on SB? wanna check that out
hollow sun
It takes time to learn to keep charge always on cd cause you are probably coming from someone that used charge to move (as I did)
opaque quest
Most important
Weakaura
Get luxthos
Simple
And all in one
Otherwise you will never track everything
hollow sun
That UI pack is simply horrible, no idea how people can use it
low fossil
yeah i hate luxthos. I make my own weakauras
hollow sun
Yeah same
At first it can be harmful cause you don't know what to track
But then it's good cause you can really make something that you like and understand
For example I have a huge intervene icon popping when it's out of cd and when I am in mythic plus and in combat
Or my shield block icon starts spinning and glowing red when I don't have it up
low fossil
yeah. I invest a lot of time on my weakauras but they are tailored to my exact needs. i love that.
jagged pier
last question. or 2 rather. I don't have reprisal yet, is it easy to recast char...
Well u need reprisal for the build but its ITF,HR but u loose a tone of dps for like 10% extra blocked hits its not really worth it unless u do like 25s,
And the key to reprisal is u want to have charge intervene always on cd, now that doesnt mean u need to charge all the time in m+ though charging in and then using your charges + intervene on a melee or someone is actually enough to get you through most fights, there are easy way to charge though, u can leap charge back, fear and walk away to charge same with stun and walk away, if the mobs are slowed u can just actually walk out and charge back.
And u can always charge on raid fights, just before u taunt is one ppl miss alot and there are tones of move away u can always charge back then and most bosses have a cast u can move out and charge back while the cast is happening
low fossil
cool. ill craft a reprisal and start practicing that. thanks for all the help jakey
jagged pier
No problem
hollow sun
I think a focus charge macro can also help, at least it helped me. I usually focus a caster and while running away from melees that maybe are not slowed, or your stuns are in cd you can always focus charge in a caster, that is less likely to move
opaque quest
Just put charge on a hotkey and use tab while looking behind you with the mouse
And charge on the first mob closeest to you
hollow sun
Yeah, maybe it's a bad habit. But so far I don't think I ever put myself in real danger with this. It's always an arc, not a straight line
burnt pawn
are we running mikanikos now after the buffs or do we wait until we get final row for the insane spear dmg
sweet summit
wait for renown 57
burnt pawn
yea figured thank you
i see people running heavy repercussions over AM/bolster in keys is it better for higher keys?
burnt pawn
okay yea that makes sense
i for sure run double time still for reprisal procs at least
right
sweet summit
i prefer storm bolt for the extra stop
burnt pawn
okay might give it a shot
sweet summit
in raid you run double time for sure
burnt pawn
yea that i know ^^
indigo yew
I'm so unsure currently.. do i stay kyrian or do I switch to necro for mythic progression. Looks like the warrior tanks of limit and echo went necrolord
burnt pawn
i think you only go necro or nf for raid tanking if you are giga high end
sweet summit
thats not true
necro is the best covenant for overall raid damage
otherwise id just go kyrian
indigo yew
yeah that makes sense and we have 3 classes who benefit from the mastery buff. Welp I think its time to farm renown on necro lol
inland silo
The bug that makes banner buff go on the same people every time honestly makes it more convenient in a way
sweet summit
yeah
indigo yew
oh I didnt know about that bug
waxen cradle
if they were going Necro it is likely to get full use out of the banner for best overall raid damage, and given the classes that most specifically benefit from if the most, they were not going necro because its the absolute best at all times
inland silo
I didn’t either until yesterday
indigo yew
otherwise you'll just need the 3 people to stack on top and you intervene/jump on them and use the banner
inland silo
Number of people that know is extremely small
indigo yew
so the initial people have to get it first and then every other cast will apply it to them?
sweet summit
its not always the case tho, and i dont know whats going on
dont mind the kill time ty
indigo yew
hmm interesting. Maybe there is a way to reproduce it every time
inland silo
Is it just for that pull or does it pick the same people like forever.
indigo yew
did they stand near you ? or did you just cast it and they got it anyways on council
sweet summit
idk im the rogue
indigo yew
ah 😄
sweet summit
i could check replay but its korthia time 
sweet summit
🤷♂️
jagged pier
tawdry dirge
any idea on how good that new conduuits are?
tawdry dirge
sounds like a worse version on idomitable
tawdry dirge
and the potency aint sound mega to me either
sweet summit
its 3.5% not .35%
tawdry dirge
ohh okay
tawdry dirge
3.5% is tasty
sweet summit
its a good 3rd option, but i would not take it over stalwart/unnerving
jagged pier
Its our 3rd best endurance and 4th best potency
sweet summit
pmuchyeah
strong forum
^
tawdry dirge
okay so best to get them in on the way to 52 renown then
and keep all the old ones
also curious are ppl stil running pelagos or switching now with the new traits/buffs and suchs
sweet summit
nadjia gang
tawdry dirge
is that last trait so powerfuull?
jagged pier
Cant wait until BRON
Its gives us near enough the same damage a NF prot in m+
But we get to use our ability nearly twice as much
tawdry dirge
thats pretty cool
but i dont really like bron and the autoconsume trait for the phial
😦
jagged pier
Not much
tawdry dirge
in m+ necro week regulary 😄
strong forum
And in dungeons where its important to have the cleanse effect, you can get away with using the knockback I think
It sucks but the dmg is worth
tawdry dirge
how would your tree looklike then?
jagged pier
I dunno still cant decide between the last 2
tawdry dirge
😄
jagged pier
Some leaves n shit
Kek
All left probs
Or left middle left
Which ever gives me 2 potency and 2 endurance
tawdry dirge
using that way atm
strong forum
Looks about right
tawdry dirge
but on the traits for shield or dmg i am unsure aswell cause the dmgone get endurance too
jagged pier
Bois mwahi has rated the jew potency as second best 👀
Might be and old remernant from though as in the tree above he has ashen
🤔
sweet summit
what % is the 226 one
jagged pier
using that way atm
elfin nova
Don't we have linear damage scaling with strength
tawdry dirge
jagged pier
Mine will probs look like that
tawdry dirge
thats mine on 224 ilvl
elfin nova
If str is linear is 1.8% dps increase
tawdry dirge
thanks but why not the new trait aint it scaling better in aoe maybe?
strong forum
It's 50% uptime
empty spindle
Why not the shield ?
jagged pier
thanks but why not the new trait aint it scaling better in aoe maybe?
New trait?
tawdry dirge
aye
jagged pier
Do u mean conduit?
tawdry dirge
ah yeah sorry 🙂
jagged pier
Its not very good
tawdry dirge
the strengh one
empty spindle
Which trait are we talking here tho
gaunt dawn
40str
jagged pier
Its less of a dps increace than SoF
tawdry dirge
fair
jagged pier
If u look at the recommneded soulbind on icy veins hes using the other 3 potencies not that one
It used to be great
But 50% uptime on 40 strength i get more from food
tawdry dirge
yeah true or rather the same
strong forum
In m+ atleast
strong forum
In raid you'd go double or triple potency
jagged pier
Doesnt sound like u nome
strong forum
Na
jagged pier
Mika is simming highest for both
But thats only damage pel does have a very nice tree layout
amber herald
is the doubt aoeable?
tawdry dirge
i mean kleia also has some nice traits imo
jagged pier
Yer but not CDR of spear
tawdry dirge
hehe yeah
jagged pier
On a lot of bosses thats just flat better because there are adds
strong forum
This is prolly raid
Unless you need the potion
For a specific thing
Then you swap around a bit
strong forum
?
jagged pier
Nah
elfin nova
I'd be amazed if sof sims better than the str on st
It's almost even with ashen for me
wide pilot
quick question about creating the reprisal leggo...the pinned section and wowhead guide say we should make it in the leg slot.
but i was wondering since the new raid and m+ doesn't have any haste/vers boots if it would be better to put it on the boots since m+ offers haste/vers on the legs
elfin nova
No
tawdry dirge
u gain more stats on legs
elfin nova
Higher ilvl in higher budget slot = better
wide pilot
ok cool thx
blazing condor
I havent really looked much into the new raid. How is it looking for haste/vers gear? Are we still relying on pvp if we want a neck for example?
elfin nova
There's a high haste/mastery one
Tazavesh has a haste/vers neck but that will only be 233
tawdry dirge
i guess we aim on that
the one Lime ment is more mastery then haste sadly
but overall i think haste wise we are fine
blazing condor
Looks like its either those or the sin-stained one
Chest? iirc there were no haste vers chests in 9.0
tawdry dirge
if i did see correct all domination gear has haste on it
only pvp chest had haste very in 90
now raid has haste versa
also haste versa shield now in raid
elfin nova
Oh okay mb, i just knew there was a high haste one
blazing condor
Cheers
tawdry dirge
and apart from that u would really rock in pvp to get similar ilvl in pve 😄
outer solstice
maybe one of you knows the answer to dis, I swapped covenants, and did all the korthia stuff and am at 40 renown now, am I still eligable for 2 catch up renown?
near sundial
finished all campaign quests and your 2 weeklies?
outer solstice
yep
near sundial
should be able to gain catchup then yeah
blazing condor
The weekly max is 42 so i dont see why you wouldnt be able to get the extra 2
But havent tested it
winged wind
Catch up only works until current max minus the two weeklies
outer solstice
yeah but that's the question
if you did the weeklies
you still get up to the current cap or not?
ebon geyser
Not gonna lie I almost had a panic attack when I got overwhelmed with not being able to get a grip of my class
winged wind
if you did the weeklies
No. If you do the weeklies prior to current renown minus 2 you can't reach the cap in this week.
timber slate
Hello there, i’m new to the prot warrior meme
Are there some skills i shouldnt use apart from whirldwind?
blazing condor
Hamstring
@timber slate
the rest is p much always usable albeit some for niche scenarios
ebon geyser
Shatter throw
blazing condor
You use shatter throw a lot
strong forum
Shatter has uses
blazing condor
Maybe not in raid but definitely in m+
ebon geyser
Really
blazing condor
You can skipp hakkar shield. You use it on last boss in NW. You use it on goliaths in SOA. P much anything with magic shields
Might as well. Deals a ton of damage
ebon geyser
Another button
blazing condor
yep
ebon geyser
...
ebon geyser
I was a monk
blazing condor
I have way more buttons on my brew
blazing condor
it definitely will feel better when you get accustomed to the class
Focus on getting comfortable with the core principles and abilities
ebon geyser
Like I was panicking last nite
blazing condor
Then you can add in the rest
jagged pier
Maybe not in raid but definitely in m+
U used it on sunking
blazing condor
true
ebon geyser
I just need to get used to it. I tried torghast but I'm like 140ilv
strong forum
I have way more buttons on my brew
That's because brew has like 10 rotational buttons alobe
blazing condor
yep
timber slate
So everything with a shield buff on?
ebon geyser
And I think another thing that mess me up is renown 6
Like I feel I will not catch up
blazing condor
Is your guild making you re-roll?
ebon geyser
But I have tomorrow off hopefully I can get some progress
blazing condor
Dont stress about it too much. Just play and you’ll get it with time. And always come ask here if you wonder something or need pointers
ebon geyser
Is your guild making you re-roll?
I left the game in Jan. I have been dying to play warrior since legion. And I came back alone and I wanna play what I want how I want. So decided to roll warrior on alliance
I know horde meta but I just tired doing what other want
blazing condor
Whatever you have fun with meta
ebon geyser
And my group of friends that I used to do stuff left in bfa so
blazing condor
Honestly dwarf is probably best anyway
ebon geyser
I'm not gonna raid mythic anytime soon
blazing condor
Even for mythic raids it dont matter like the differences are miniscule
Unless maybe youre pushing WF
ebon geyser
Na I'm not WF material
ebon geyser
I got CE azshara and was the most toxic environment I have ever been
The level of belittle I got was too much
blazing condor
EP was p rough
blazing condor
Honestly the fact that youre in a class discord and asking questions n shit already makes you mythic raiding material
ebon geyser
I just jumped so many guilds like they all promise CE or raid mythic and fall short
blazing condor
Most people dont give a f
ebon geyser
I mean I seriously wanna learn
I never touch m+ because of the elitist toxic ppl
I don't think I have done a 10 recently
Not even 15
outer wedge
Form your own group, run with the same friends and push together. That’s the best environment to learn in.
modern brook
yeah just be 4 more people
outer wedge
I mean, you don’t have friends that enjoy mythic plus?
obtuse monolith
Like I feel I will not catch up
Renown catch up is really quick, and right now you’re not the only one doing it which helps. You still have to complete campaign but you can get in the 20s in renown just by spamming fast dungeons. Lot of people tanking Heroic Plaguefall and running past first two bosses so you get to end faster. Or you can do M0 world tour once you get up there
ebon geyser
I mean, you don’t have friends that enjoy mythic plus?
I don't have friends that play wow
modern brook
the only problem with the renown grind rn is that you have to do quests still 🤷♀️ a
outer wedge
You don’t have friends that play wow? 🥺
strong forum
I don't
modern brook
yeah fuck nom
ebon geyser
Last nite I got the ardenweld quest and I though I needed renown 40
strong forum
The only people who I've met that play wow were the type of player that only play the first 20 level free trial version over and over again
outer wedge
Literally all my friends came from pugging keys and shit talking fire mages.
ebon geyser
You don’t have friends that play wow? 🥺
Not really, all left in bfa.
dusky canopy
Renown catch up is really quick, and right now you’re not the only one doing it ...
Wait that's a thing??? You can form you're own group to spam last two bosses in pf heroic??
outer wedge
Gotta branch out, spread them wings. A lot of people in mythic plus are friendly.
wild hemlock
I mean I seriously wanna learn
just dive in. watch a vid and brush up on route. apply to keys. dont be afraid to fail. you will learn. you will get invited
outer wedge
And a lot of assholes but no one cares about them.
I have a list on my computer of all toxic players I have ran with and won’t run with them again. Remember YOU are the tank. You have a say who you want in the key.
ebon geyser
Gotta branch out, spread them wings. A lot of people in mythic plus are friendly...
False from my experience but I will try once I gear up
modern brook
😬
wild hemlock
but also be open to feedback
dont think everyone is being a dick. alot want to help
blazing condor
Everyone in this game thinks theyre always in the right
ebon geyser
just dive in. watch a vid and brush up on route. apply to keys. dont be afraid t...
I'm not afraid of failure is the aftermath that I hate . Like ppl leaving killing a key etc
drifting glade
wait should I not use hamstring on vengeful weeks
modern brook
I'm not afraid of failure is the aftermath that I hate . Like ppl leaving killin...
leave keys tbh
wild hemlock
I'm not afraid of failure is the aftermath that I hate . Like ppl leaving killin...
its all a learning curve dude. after 2-3 leaves youll learn and there wont be leavers
obtuse monolith
Wait that's a thing??? You can form you're own group to spam last two bosses in ...
I’ve seen some groups listed in LFG for “renown farm PF last 2 bosses” but probably a lot of people just doing it guild / friends list. It’s the last boss dropping renown, and I don’t think it matters how you queue
outer wedge
I mean anything over 17 I’m leaving if it’s dead. But I notified the leader at the start.
ebon geyser
dont think everyone is being a dick. alot want to help
My experience has been from u suk go kys / reroll to don't tank m+ stay as raid tank
modern brook
I mean anything over 17 I’m leaving if it’s dead. But I notified the leader at t...
staying in dead 10s is fucking weird
modern brook
My experience has been from u suk go kys / reroll to don't tank m+ stay as raid ...
I'm not defending the crowd, but a lot of tanking keys, especially for prot warrior, is doing homework
outer wedge
Yup. We aren’t the best, but we can be the best
dusky canopy
The thing is anything over a 15 is only for the flex so their's very little incentive to completeing it if it's not going to be timed.
Thats why people just bounce after the 2nd team wipe
inland raft
You take that back, prot rulez
modern brook
so if you're just hopping into raw ass 10+s at renown 6
With like 0 understanding of mechanics of pulls
you're honestly inting
and its frankly reasonable for them to be a bit frustrated
ebon geyser
I'm not talking in on my warrior btw
Over the the course of bfa and beginning of sl
I'm now a warrior
@modern brook
I will never be in a 10 with renown 6 and ilvl 143
I will not do that to a team
modern brook
YEah ok that makes more sense
I'm context cluing shit together and im like "yeah not even sure how they invited you in the first place tbh"
but the homework aspect is still really true
more so than any other role
most of the hard work for tanking keys is done before you enter the key
dusky canopy
@ebon geyser
Biggest advice I gained from this chat is to simply push your buttons once I started paying attention to how often I casted X ability I realized I could be so much more efficient. Really that applies to all role/specs in the game though.
modern brook
after that you're mostly just relying on your dps to play
ebon geyser
Another thing I encounter was I learn or study a way and dps complain is not that way or they start pulling
winged wind
If a dps pulls in a key and it is not a hunter with md. This is a good sign to get out ;)
dusky canopy
Another thing I encounter was I learn or study a way and dps complain is not tha...
Also go to r.io and follow the dratnos routes to get your self familiar.. Once you feel comfortable with those, either experiment with your own or look for more "advanced" routes.
timber slate
Dps be like ‘you dont pull fast enough’ but they make everyone wipe
modern brook
Dps be like ‘you dont pull fast enough’ but they make everyone wipe
i mean that can be true at the same time
making keys 20 minutes longer for the sake of safety is its own issue, tbh
blazing condor
Now it dont really matter as much since we’re in the last week of s1 but i will say that Dratnos’ routes arent that good
Usually weird pride timings
Try and make your own is the best go-to
wide pilot
anyone have a good wa for intervene?
modern brook
routes are going to be interesting going into s2
modern brook
anyone have a good wa for intervene?
what are you trying to track?
timber slate
i mean that can be true at the same time
Well, they expect you to do giga pulls but their dps is shit, thats what i meant
modern brook
yah that can happen. Homework plays a big part there too
like if u gigapull when combust is on CD and are wondering why the firemage isnt doing damage 🤷♀️
not to defend dps players
they're all dog shit
amber herald
can you do halls without pulling any casters? 🤔
wide pilot
what are you trying to track?
just want an icon on my screen with maybe a countdown for when i can use intervene
modern brook
but tracking your DPS's cooldowns for pulls is important
modern brook
just want an icon on my screen with maybe a countdown for when i can use interve...
like a cooldown tracker?
sweet summit
can you do halls without pulling any casters? 🤔
You can but the route would be dogshit
wide pilot
what are you trying to track?
yea..even if its as simple as a sound
modern brook
yea..even if its as simple as a sound
You should be able to make one fairly quickly from the templates in WA. I dont have one off hand, but most warrior packs will have that included naturally.
wide pilot
You should be able to make one fairly quickly from the templates in WA. I dont h...
where can u find these templates?
tranquil lily
trying prot warri for M+ now, which cov would be best value?
modern brook
/wa
New
From template
Ability
Intervene
this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNf6YxnnVQM also if you want to learn more. also #ui-addons-manager might be able to help with any technical issues
lament zealot
Hey boys and girls haven't played since 9.5. Could you guys give me a brief run down of anything I've missed that wasn't in 9.1 patch notes for Prot and where are we I'm terms of ranking for tanks in pve/PvP content. Thanks.
sweet summit
Nothing new for prot
modern brook
Hey boys and girls haven't played since 9.5. Could you guys give me a brief run ...
i dont think there were any prot specific changes into 9.1
sweet summit
Kyrian got better
And uhh
10% execute damage
New endurance conduit thats alright
lament zealot
Awesome thanks. So nothing crazy then. Sad but that's ok
sweet summit
Yep
wild hemlock
routes are going to be interesting going into s2
amazing*. no more calculating pride????
barren hemlock
hello good, a question which would be the legendary that will occupy now, in which part and with what statistics
sweet summit
Reprisal
Legs
Haste/versatility
barren hemlock
thx
inland raft
Whats everyone putting on their belts now? Thought about invis but the backfire chance makes it not a good thing for consistency in dungeons
inland raft
Is it 20? I used it a lot at statt of expansion and it was 2 minutes and backfired every 4-5 uses
jagged pier
U get a 20 sec debuff where u cant go invis and u can just pot after that
And in terms of consistancy it backfired on me like 3 times i can remeber in all of season 1
ebon geyser
It hardly backfires
How a pot backfires
jagged pier
No the belt u can pot after
ebon geyser
New belt
sweet summit
Engineering belt tinker
ebon geyser
Ohhh
inland raft
I just remember so many skips getting fd from people using belts for me was evwry 4-5 times and in a group with multiple people trying it was like every other skip had someone fail
ebon geyser
So engi good then
sweet summit
Ye
inland raft
Which i guess now with pride gone isnt quite as punishing since before was just bad when get pride into skip and someone failed it was just rough
edgy belfry
almost every engi belt enchant can backfire
ionic fern
Might be and old remernant from though as in the tree above he has ashen
Unironically new covenants are not yet in the calculator so i had to put Ashen. Should be there soon
signal plover
any 1 know what is the best % haste and versa?
jagged pier
Unironically new covenants are not yet in the calculator so i had to put Ashen. ...
Oh fairs was wondering why it was ranked second and not in the tree.
Is the new potency conduit really our second best though, its what 40 strength? I know our current ones are pretty bad anyway but is it really better than ashen and SoF?
jagged pier
Yes
jagged pier
U can do 15s without a cov or a leggo or both mein dude
strong forum
Yah
civic burrow
I'm sure it's in the pins but any advice for a brand prot tank
Like I've never did any tanking lol
elfin nova
Next week you might not want to do that :o)
jagged pier
Oooo what is it?
strong forum
I mean s2
barren hemlock
kyrian is still the best pact for tank warrior?
strong forum
kyrian is still the best pact for tank warrior?
Si
strong forum
Na, it's just everything will hit harder cuz of K value and keys getting up scaled
jagged pier
Btw new storming is
civic burrow
My guild tank gave up on mythics and I love pvp as arms and raiding fury so I gotta learn for mythics for my guild but don't wanna give up condemn
jagged pier
Was just soaking them all last night
jagged pier
Yer
modern brook
Did they fix the vault yet?
strong forum
Every m+ change is live with 9.1,not with s2
amber herald
yeah vault is fixed
jagged pier
Did they fix the vault yet?
Mine gave me the corrcet ilvl yesterday morning 🤷♂️
jagged pier
Day of dailes behind 
modern brook
Tough life
jagged pier
Didnt get to or just didnt? Smh 🤔
jagged pier
Nome pressing buttons again outside of tmog farm?? :O
timber slate
Should I use IP and SB whenever its possible?
modern brook
If ur taking blockable damage you want to be blocking
timber slate
I’m still low level, so im just trying to understand the spec well before i hit 60
jagged pier
Yer u kind of need to be 60 before u can do that tbh
You wont have the ren gen and stuff until your max lvl
tepid nebula
I take it that Reprisal is still gonna be the best lego for m+
jagged pier
And raid yes
tepid nebula
Awesome thank you
round vortex
I’m going to raid with the wall still. Especially early. I find reprisal can be unnecessary on some raid encounter. And sometimes borderline annoying
wide garnet
anyone else notice that heroic leap is less useful in korthia than other zones? i feel like i used it to get to a lot of places in the four zones, but in korthia it isn't working for completely reasonable leaps
round vortex
anyone else notice that heroic leap is less useful in korthia than other zones? ...
Yeah it’s pretty shit haha
wide garnet
okay i just wanted to be sure i wasn't the only one noticing it
tame jasper
anyone else notice that heroic leap is less useful in korthia than other zones? ...
yeah many pseudo "no path available" 😦
ebon geyser
U want to use SB whenever your getting meleed
Aren't u always getting melled
amber herald
cast times
jagged pier
Aren't u always getting melled
No, when your kiting your not when things are casting your not
Ppl will press shield then start kiting for instance
Or use shield as a boss is casting
Both times u get no value from it and have wasted it
distant crystal
that feel when you press shield block and then sludgefist starts his stomp animation
except for me it was demon spikes cause i'm a chad
civic burrow
Anyone help me with rotation wat use and can u tag me sorry I'm at work and don't wanna lose it thx in advance
modern brook
Icy veins guide has an indepth discussion on what to use and why, I suggest you read through that. @civic burrow
ebon geyser
What is more beneficial at cursor or at player
distant crystal
for...
blazing condor
At cursor
So u can pre throw ravager into packs
Or just use spear if ur kiting or w/e
timber slate
that feel when you press shield block and then sludgefist starts his stomp anima...
Can’t block stomp?
You can block a huge ass sword but not a stomp 😐
timber slate
It says 100% block 👀
distant crystal
💯
ionic fern
Oh fairs was wondering why it was ranked second and not in the tree.
Is the new ...
Smh,no. It had to be 3rd/4th. I will fix it.
steep wraith
Is the new defensive conduit worth taking at all?
arctic whale
it's ok
gleaming oracle
I just unlocked another potency conduit! Do i use the new one (strenght when healed) or show of force?
jagged pier
I just unlocked another potency conduit! Do i use the new one (strenght when hea...
u use SoF
jagged pier
Is the new defensive conduit worth taking at all?
if u have a 3rd endurance slot yes
strong forum
Can’t block stomp?
Because the stomp itself knocks you pretty far away breaking the chains, so you actually have to run out of them. Its basically a wasted SB
gleaming oracle
second question: im using korayn is that bad for m+? shall i go niya?
gleaming oracle
ok so then I use SOF..thanks guys 🙂
civic burrow
do we have pin for conduits
jagged pier
its in the cheatsheet
the new 2 are probably our 3rd best endruance and worst potency
timber slate
Because the stomp itself knocks you pretty far away breaking the chains, so you ...
I know, i just meant logic wise
lavish oracle
Conduits are such a waste of time, lol
strong forum
either NF Or Kyrian is perfectly good
venthyr is kinda the last choice for pwar mains, generally a thing fury mains play
timber slate
Which one does big dick dmg👀
elfin nova
prot paladin
pine cypress
Holdin out hopes for dem Venthyr Pwar buffs
modern brook
Covenents have not changed for us at all
pine cypress
I know 😦
modern brook
What you want > what your M+ group is missing > Kyrian/NF if you dont care
timber slate
Prot paladins have nice cleave dmg 👀
strong forum
NF and Kyr will do similar dmg once you reach renown 57
strong forum
yuh
modern brook
mika doesnt pull ahead of niya in st?
strong forum
its within 30 dps
turbid horizon
What's a good way to learn routes for high keys? I'm a booster but only DPS atm, and I want to try out tanking but don't know routes
timber slate
Ive always been a dps guy
Now im giving a shot to the chad spec
pastel sleet
Someone talk me out of dragon roar. I dont feel like a get a lot out of best served cold. Just looking for an explanation
little herald
What's a good way to learn routes for high keys? I'm a booster but only DPS atm,...
you can use MDT (mythic dungeon tools) addon and pick Dratnos's routes, it as a good start.
btw, is practice.
turbid horizon
I mean yea I just... do the route the tank tells me too
little herald
but, whit the new season, all routes maybe will change
strong forum
Someone talk me out of dragon roar. I dont feel like a get a lot out of best ser...
Dragon Roar is terrible on multitarget
its only decent in pure ST situations
and BV is usually just as good if not better in ST but you can line up CDs better
in multitarget BSC is the king
strong forum
DR is a dead talent
pastel sleet
Alright. For some reason i thought dragon roar was uncapped aoe… but i havent used dragon roar on prot in a hot minute
strong forum
it was only uncapped aoe in beta
jagged pier
^^
pastel sleet
Ah. That explains my confusion
hoary crow
I only spam 4 buttons in m+, thunder Clap, shield bash and revenge + sb
pastel sleet
Does the bsc 50% proc from reprisal
elfin nova
yes
jagged pier
yes
mighty cairn
are raid nf tanks still sticking with niya? i know almost nothing about NF but have just been farming renown
little herald
Can someone explain to me why prot warr is a good choice for 9.1? I'm main tank, thinking reroll my brewmaster to warrior, but idk if is a good choice, and why prot warr became better in 9.1?
ebon geyser
Reprisal
strong forum
are raid nf tanks still sticking with niya? i know almost nothing about NF but h...
yes
lean jungle
what's prots current priority for covenants?
my brother and I were chatting about kyrian for M+
jagged pier
jagged pier
What is the best generic Covenant?
Kyrian = Night Fae > Necrolord >> Venthyr
literally first pin
mighty cairn
the pin literally answers the question
mighty cairn
kyrian/nf pretty interchangeable for m+ - you can just play what you feel like or what covenant buff your group needs
lean jungle
what's the rage generation differences between the two?
Does prot have a hard time with rage?
mighty cairn
in m+? not really
as long as you use your cds somewhat reasonably and are running reprisal
i'm not a super great m+ tank but did 19/20s with both kyrian and night fae
and it just comes down to personal choice imo
obtuse monolith
DR is a dead talent
Did DR used to be an AoE knockdown in MoP or did I dream that? I just remember it used to be amazing
ancient field
Seems like they're moving away more from the kite meta, so then the lockdown of kyrian wouldn't be as useful?
modern brook
kite meta was dead mid february
lean jungle
idk about feb
mighty cairn
night fae ability on caster packs more fun to press than spear, but phial > soulshape imo
lean jungle
necrotic and melee damage still tears tanks apart lol
modern brook
good thing necrotic happens twice a season and we have a shield
strong forum
Did DR used to be an AoE knockdown in MoP or did I dream that? I just remember i...
could be, i forgot alot
modern brook
only tanks that needed to kite post 1934th dungeon nerfs were Prot Pallys because they're not tanks and demon hunters because thats how they tank
ancient field
Anyways, I'll probably roll NF since I'll be fury more than prot
modern brook
Bears have insane throughput, prot warrior has a shield, monks iunno shit about tbh, and bdks should have all rerolled by now
mighty cairn
9.1 bdks are looking quite strong
lean jungle
do you play a healing class
mighty cairn
prob moreso for raid but a good tank player on bdk is impactful
lean jungle
bdks are the most annoying class in the game to heal
strong forum
when healing a BDK you watch for his runepower, rather than his HP bar
modern brook
healeratur
strong forum
but saying that a good X tank is impactful applies to literally every tank
lean jungle
or I could just not play with bdks
mighty cairn
ya true true
classes like bdk might have a higher delta between unskilled - skilled
but ive just focused on prot
modern brook
it just tests different knowledge
a bdk that wastes his death strikes is just as bad as a prot warrior who doesnt use sb correctly
glossy kelp
hello guys can someone help me out i wanna switch to necro is it worth it to go from kyrian to necro for raid and m+
modern brook
hello guys can someone help me out i wanna switch to necro is it worth it to go ...
if you want to play necro sure go wild
If you're doing it because a guildy told you its better they're full of shit
glossy kelp
i just want the shield T_T and i wanna push high m+ and do mythic raid
jagged pier
i mean u can do that with any cov
modern brook
BAnner is ~150ish dps loss for your self and you make up for it by passing a fatty mastery and a less fatty mainstat buff to 2 dps with big 2 minute DPS cooldowns
it requires a lot of coordination to get the most out of it
strong forum
if wanna push real high keys, then youre better off NF or Kyrian
jagged pier
ull have a better time pushing m+ with kyrian tbh
strong forum
Necrolord is gonna be a crutch in high keys
modern brook
If you just want fleshcraft for the sake of having flesh craft thats fine; but its not even remotely required to do meaningful progression.
shrewd bronze
Folkls, just a quick question, what soul bind are you using for mythic+ as Night Fae?
strong forum
korayn
shrewd bronze
With that stand for 5 seconds thing?
modern brook
Folkls, just a quick question, what soul bind are you using for mythic+ as Night...
Korayn w/ first strike
shrewd bronze
I'm wondering because of storming
strong forum
With that stand for 5 seconds thing?
First Strike
modern brook
first stand lol
strong forum
I'm wondering because of storming
storming is a non-issue
glossy kelp
why does this had to be so hard -_- for a shield
jagged pier
u stand still?
modern brook
Nono what I meant is I thought I should use this
that doesnt sound like 25% crit for a third of the dungeon
25% non DRing crit
on every pull
for 20-40 minutes.
inland raft
Which means big pump and no threat issues
strong forum
why does this had to be so hard -_- for a shield
do you mean the transmog?
shrewd bronze
Yeye makes sense
strong forum
if so, you keep the weapon transmogs if you swap covenants
so you can just get the mog, then swap w/e is better unless you wanna stay necro
modern brook
I think @glossy kelp is refering to Fleshcraft as "shield"
glossy kelp
nope
modern brook
i lied
glossy kelp
im talking about the tmog XD
strong forum
:dab:
glossy kelp
lol
shrewd bronze
For the potency slot, Show of Force or Destructive Reverb?
modern brook
destructive
shrewd bronze
Ok nice, thanks a lot guys
glossy kelp
i just want one good reason to switch -- we are already on the ground as tanks --
modern brook
i just want one good reason to switch -_- we are already on the ground as tanks ...
to NL?
glossy kelp
yup
jagged pier
it gots cov(expect harrow) > SoF > ashen> new one
glossy kelp
it does XD
jagged pier
^^
glossy kelp
XD
modern brook
Mage tower shield only shield for me
strong forum
i farmed a legion assault week for 1 week straight
glossy kelp
😮
modern brook
why the fuck u call it tarragrue >>>>>:::::((((
strong forum
thats not tarragrue shield
modern brook
doesnt even have a t in it
jagged pier
the tarrague shield is nice
glossy kelp
yeah that one is awesome
modern brook
that T arge carrying a lot of weight rn
strong forum
it drops from tarragrue and has his head on the shield
I WONDER WHY I CALL IT TARRAGRUE SHIELD
wheat root
is prot venth good defensively in raid? looks like my guild might need me to swap off fury this tier and i'm doing a bit of research rn
strong forum
defensively cov choice doesnt really matter
oh right i can mog individual shoulders now !!
modern brook
the true clown suit can begin
strong forum
youre mome
pastel sleet
Hakkar scale still gonna be bis?
jagged pier
☝️
lime urchin
Oh I would tap that
plush tendon
The trinket off Sylvie is also very strong
strong forum
doesnt look bad ye
modern brook
how is that uncapped? target counts 4head
strong forum
dummy
modern brook
i thought i was misreading it and it was like
doing 4.2k perodically or something based on how much it absorobs
way overcomplicated it
strong forum
it reduces all damage taken by X amount without a ceiling
and once it expires it does 4.2k to all targets you can angle it at
assuming you reduced enough dmg with it
timber slate
sad that we dont get a special 1handed or shield
edgy belfry
might be quite bad if you time it badly
strong forum
t-then dont time it badly
edgy belfry
:))
tender carbon
Is the new endurance conduit that heals any good?
modern brook
solid 3rd place
strong forum
^
jagged pier
^^
sweet summit
^^^
ionic fern
^^^^
chilly brook
@ionic fern ever dig into those logs?
jagged pier
he may have been a bit busy 
night tusk
For NF what conduit is best for tanking Mythic keys?
jagged pier
the covenant one
night tusk
i mean Niya or kor?
strong forum
Niya for raid
Korayn for m+
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> ever dig into those logs?
I wanna say yes..but no. 😦 No time yet
timber slate
why NF over kyrian?
distant crystal
wait that trinket is uncapped?
jagged pier
they are bascially the same
distant crystal
the wording kinda sounds like it will pop at 26K even if the 8 seconds isn't up
jagged pier
it does 4k to all targets infront of it
no split
to all
u just need to position correctly
jagged pier
its got a time limit i presume
jagged pier
im pretty sure hes getting 40 then going back
chilly brook
I wanna say yes..but no. 😦 No time yet
No worries, I'm content knowing that I get 3 shield wall casts in p1 back to back and not knowing exactly why it works the way it does lmao
ebon geyser
If I do both 9 wings of thorghast what lvl Lego can I make 3
limpid pawn
you'll get nearly 2k soul ash
distant crystal
i think it's like 1900
limpid pawn
and like 140-150 soul cinders
i don't think you can do anything w/ the cinders yet though
distant crystal
what is that, r2?
distant crystal
even if you could you'd need enough ash to make r4 first
limpid pawn
i think you can keep repeating torghast to farm soul ash nonstop
someone correct me if i'm wrong
limpid pawn
but they made soul ash like a trivial resource
non time gated anymore
only soul cinders are time gated
r4 legos are now welfare status
hollow pine
Weekly cap for cinders is 270 this week i think
distant crystal
👋 gold
distant crystal
i think the assaults give them
hollow pine
Assaults
sweet summit
^
hollow pine
2x50
hollow pine
I have 220 now
sweet summit
every 2 hours there is assault int he maw
limpid pawn
like the night fae thing?
hollow pine
Y
hollow pine
And other one
sweet summit
nf thing is biweekly assault
sweet summit
the what
limpid pawn
like jailer's assault?
hollow pine
Yeah there is an icon on the map
limpid pawn
beast warrne's event?
sweet summit
yeah
distant crystal
i thought it was the biweekly that gives cinders rip
limpid pawn
those give cinders?
limpid pawn
F
distant crystal
you get cinders every time? 👀
sweet summit
gives cinders first time every day i think?
hollow pine
No once a week
sweet summit
oh
hollow pine
With 250 rep
limpid pawn
so once we are done w/ the intro quests for korthia
what should our daily routine look like on our main?
for min/max purposes
hollow pine
Then 100 rep
distant crystal
i think the cinders is just from the biweekly assaults
You get 50 Soul Cinders for completing the Tormentors of Torghast event per week
You get 100 Soul Cinders each week for completing the the Bi-weekly Assaults (50 Soul Cinders per Assault).
hollow pine
Spend as much time as you can bare in korthia for rep
distant crystal
hollow pine
Yeah and 2x thorgast is 270 for this week
modern brook
What's korthia rep do?
hollow pine
Sockets