protection

[opaque quest]

Well its fury

Bladestorm + recklessness+avatar=profit

Really gotta craft signet today

[mellow bridge]

that wowhead article is incredibly outdated

[spring holly]

if I'm a casual who only does heroic sanctum signet is highest dps in raids right?

[mellow bridge]

and that's just flat out wrong/dumb

as the powers are pre-determined

[chrome falcon]

does Glory work with the conduit?

[ionic fern]

What covenant? You can sim yourself tho.

[spring holly]

Kyrian, and yeah I should probably just sim it lol

[plush tendon]

Is this for Prot? Kind of weird to use Signet for Prot, no?

[spring holly]

yeah for prot, but I only do m+ and heroic raids, so if you outgear the heroic raids I was wondering what the best option to push dps was

[opaque quest]

Thank god. Gj blizz

[plush tendon]

I mean, other then the terrible lag in the ardenweald zone, the new patch has been quite good; you only have to do the opening story chain on one character and then you have the option to skip on your alts, they made Torghast shorter by one floor and shortened the floors themselves, and the assault was a lot more fun and interesting then 8.3 assaults with a fun, but frustrating, sneak around mechanic

At least they are learning that players playing retail want convenience

[opaque quest]

I thought im an idiot. I was so confused when i saw the vendor on floor 5

[plush tendon]

Yea, getting rid of a floor made a world of difference not going to lie

[opaque quest]

Agreed. Couldnt care less about 2 mobs on 5th floor instead

[plush tendon]

I did it with some guildies, and we smashed it even with a newly dinged 60. Took us like 30 mins for both layers

Though we only 4 starred; im guessing getting a 5 star requires some of those upgrades or for a solo gamer to rek house

[opaque quest]

Can i skip the gear upgrade stuff too?

We only got 4 stars too. Everybody was like 226

[plush tendon]

Which gear upgrades? The lego stuff?

Or the archivist upgrade; in which case I think you need to do it once

for a quest

[opaque quest]

Archives stuff. Just finished on my DK

Lego stuff idc about. I dont do professions

[plush tendon]

Well, I know some guildies have their army of alts sitting in Korthia right now looking for those Korthia Crystals

[opaque quest]

wtf is a korthia crystal

[plush tendon]

cause you can trade/sell them for big cash since you need 40 to craft a lego

[opaque quest]

Sounds like dead meth

I just got a second knot, if thats what you mean

[plush tendon]

Crafting reagent

[opaque quest]

1 is like 8k on my realm

[plush tendon]

It was at 40k last night for us; dont know if its changed

[opaque quest]

Prolly comes down to the realm size too

Blackhand has like 20k players i believe

[plush tendon]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=186017/korthite-crystal#contained-in-object this is the item

some dailies give them, but it appears to be random

But when you have like 9 vulpera characters, you set up the caravan and start farming XD

[opaque quest]

How the fuck did i read knothide crystal

I got one from a pickup. Was like a bag of scrolls

Got some anima, 40g and a crystal

[plush tendon]

yea, its already dropped to 6k according to the undermine journal

[opaque quest]

Same here

[plush tendon]

still 40*6k is a hefty gold sum

[opaque quest]

Im sure it will drop to 1k when everybody starts logging in. I mean its 4 pm on a wednesday

[plush tendon]

well, im US

so its 10am on a wednesday and the patch has been out for 16 hours

[opaque quest]

Oh well

Doubt it will drop muuuch more then

[plush tendon]

Yea, my crafting money making friends are stockpiling resources right now; they recommend not buying any rank 5 legos and just waiting for rank 6

Unless you like burning gold

[dense grove]

where i put my legendary?

[opaque quest]

I wont. Im just raiding HC and doing like 18s

[dense grove]

on boots?

[opaque quest]

Which one. Reprisal? Legs

[plush tendon]

Reprisal should be put on legs

The Wall on Back

[ionic fern]

[plush tendon]

The real question is, where do I put seismic reverb

[opaque quest]

Asking people to check pins is alot

The real question is, do i roll dw frost after 10 years just for the kel thuzad normal sword

[plush tendon]

Yes!

I need all of the new Tmog in the raid

I cant be a mythic raider with 0/9 Mythic plate set this tier as well

😭

[opaque quest]

I mean pls

What i really need is the damn gladiator armore

[plush tendon]

I want to be Sauron!

[dense grove]

and i supose haste/versa

the legendary

[opaque quest]

ofc haste vers

[plush tendon]

Sounds bout right

[dense grove]

thanks guys

[opaque quest]

I just realized that even the god damn lfr version of the sword is blue white

Im an LFR C H A D now

[ionic fern]

LFR is the worst experience you can have.:(

[plush tendon]

but.... the TMOG

[inland raft]

Wait is this one of those lfr tmog better then mythic raids? I havnt looked at the stuff

[plush tendon]

The sword off Kel Thuzad look sick and has a different color scheme

in LFR

The mythic one is swag a red and black though

[crystal iris]

Good luck with that lol

[plush tendon]

People wrongly think Vers will keep them alive in content, when in actuality the biggest survival gain comes from TMOG

[crystal iris]

guilty haha. Although i only started tanking 2 months ago

[inland raft]

Vers is a trap

Its good but way overvalued

[plush tendon]

and TMOG is undervalued

You look good, you feel good, you play good

its that simple

[crystal iris]

Still going to save the BiS tank gear when i find it this time lol

So i do heroic raids and +15s but havent really gotten into mythic raiding yet. What gear do you guys think will end up being better? 252 gear from GV M+ slots or 239-246 loot from heroic raid but with domination shards?

[spring holly]

obviously it can change but from what I understand generally you're going to want domination sockets even vs 252. My guess also is, if that is not true for most classes blizz might even buff sockets to the point that they are.

[crystal iris]

Interesting

[spring holly]

someone can correct me if I'm wrong but generally blizz does not want other gear options to be better than their NEW AND SHINY system in a patch

[plush tendon]

I mean, pretty much

Mythic plus loot got shafted, but PVP gear is now best for PVP and raid loot is of course PVE BiS

[ionic fern]

Gimme m+ tier set.

[plush tendon]

M+ should have some shards of domination or something

[ionic fern]

Yes

Please

[crystal iris]

agreed

[plush tendon]

Its whack they only come from raid; I feel for the lads who want to just PVP or M+ and feel they need to get raid loot to compete

[crystal iris]

maybe its just going to be equal

9.0.5 was annoying how heroic raiders were forced to run mythics to get 226 gear

[plush tendon]

I mean yea?

[crystal iris]

unless they wanted to run mythic raid, which not everyone wants / is capable of doing and imo requires way more time invested that runnning 15s

[plush tendon]

What wasnt ok was raiders going into PVP and buying boosts to get easy 233 weapons and 226 gear

[jagged pier]

but u dont need 226 gear to hc raid

[crystal iris]

i find Hraid is about = in difficulkty to 15s, but the gear was way different

[plush tendon]

I disagree

[crystal iris]

oh, thats actually a very good point lol

i guess in my head the goal was to reach 226 whichever way possible, after 213 raiding felt pointless (other than Hsire) or find a mythic guild

I like all PVE content but im not a fan of wiping 400 times on the same raid boss for mythic prog

[spring holly]

also wait am I crazy? I find Hraids waaaay easier than 15s

[ebon geyser]

Then I think mythic raiding is not for you@crystal iris

[crystal iris]

Sorry Im speaking from a dps PoV

raid tanking in heroic was pretty braindead

[sand condor]

so has anyone noticed if the renown catchup is fast?

[ebon geyser]

Asking the real questions

[sand condor]

cus im about to start 9.1 quests

and uh

yeah

[ebon geyser]

I need to burn tru kyrian 1-40 asap

I probably no life dungeons this weekend

Unless there is a easy way

[plush tendon]

personally no, but I know my hunter friend has been getting renown pretty quick (he went to Kyrian)

[ebon geyser]

What has he been doing

[plush tendon]

I think some things give multiple; will experiment with my own alts who have low renown probably later today

[sand condor]

yikes, i am legit leaving on a holiday until monday and kinda have to be ready by next reset xD

[plush tendon]

herioc dungeon spamming, world boss, callings, etc.

[distant crystal]

I was getting double renown from campaign stuff

[outer solstice]

Many of the korthia quests give renown

[plush tendon]

It should honestly only take a solid afternoon of playing to get to 40

[ebon geyser]

I heard if u do the 3 quest from your hall u get slower renown but idk how tru that is

[outer solstice]

I swapped yesterday and up to 38

[ebon geyser]

Ok I picked kyrian last nite but I went to bed right after

And I'm a fresh 60

Just need to stop leaping

[strong forum]

how are you fresh

when your name is literally xpired

smh

thats a clickbait

[ebon geyser]

My yogurt is xpired

I need to get used to charge

[outer solstice]

Good friend of mine used nick "darkjoghurt" pretty disgusting

[blazing condor]

i read dickjoghurt

[strong forum]

you only read what you want to read

[brittle owl]

🐔

[ebon geyser]

Can u make rank 4 right of the bat

[strong forum]

Yes

[ebon geyser]

Without soul ash

Like can I farm torghast for it

Or is once a week

Like before

[strong forum]

No

You can grind soulash

At reduced rate past your first run

[elfin nova]

Enjoy the 17 runs

[strong forum]

Ya is like 17 runs of torghast to craft a rank 4

[outer solstice]

how many soul cinders we need for 4->6 ?

[ebon geyser]

Well

I think my monk or paladin have soul ash

Can I send that to my warrior

Dang... I probably need to open the korthia quest in him to get the currency

To send to warrior

[outer solstice]

isn#t the soul ash trader in thorghast?

[ebon geyser]

Is it

[outer solstice]

or did they move him?

[ebon geyser]

Idk

[outer solstice]

at some point it was the normal trade from thorghast runs that had it

but no idea what and if they chnaged that

[opaque quest]

This

• reverberation

in m+ pls

Maybe we get more powers later on

[outer solstice]

lol no make it revenge

[opaque quest]

I mean yeah. But turst me its insane

[grizzled forge]

what soulbind/cov people gonna run for a general mythic+ and raiding?

[plush tendon]

Kyrian for the vanilla lads, NF for the pumper chads, Necro for the TMOG enthusiasts, Venthyr for the arena gamers

[grizzled forge]

ya the kyrian vanilla lads going mika?

[plush tendon]

Yea, swol bro

Kyrian is your general all purpose Cov pick

But if you multi spec, I think NF ends up being better for Fury and Arms

[ebon geyser]

Spear goes brrrrrrr

[plush tendon]

My issue with Kyrian are the angels. I know they tried to make them look like the Val'kyr, but they just arent the same

[tardy osprey]

this

[plush tendon]

Im pretty sure you mean AA goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[tardy osprey]

ya but once I get the endline for Mik, I will be chucking Spears twice as often as you AA

[plush tendon]

: ^)

Honestly... I did think of that

and it saddens me that a switch might be in my future

[tardy osprey]

I just love the tether effect of spear, it is so useful/fun

[plush tendon]

why play NF if you are no longer pumping harder then Kyrian

😦

[ebon geyser]

Not gonna lie the caster interrupt is bae

On blue clap

[tardy osprey]

I play with an Ele Sham and Havoc DH, I barely ever see casts get off

[plush tendon]

I also put myself in a terrible position, since Ill have to go back Necro and then wait two resets before being able to go Kyrian

[ebon geyser]

Oof

[plush tendon]

yea

Didnt expect myself to like NF as much as I did so I qued up a necro switch

like 3 months ago

[ebon geyser]

I bought both legendaries at 235 for 50k

[tardy osprey]

I got a Venthyr switch ready, incase I swap to Fury for raids. but I really don't want to

[ebon geyser]

So I'll be ready when I get the wall and reprisal

[inland raft]

Ya nf is bae i went from kyrian to nf and my god it just feels miles and miles better to play due to the knockdown on caster packs. But a change back to kyrian might potentially be in my future as well, gonna wait it out a bit and see how things shake out

[plush tendon]

Same

Im not a big fan of spear over AA, but if I have twice as many spears.... then its kind of hard not to be excited by it

[blazing condor]

Ive only really played arms in torghast so do we prots have a go-to build? Idk what our biggest damage is. Obv we can build perma SW but what else?

[strong forum]

Go and find out?

[sweet summit]

perma dbts and execute

📈

[blazing condor]

for prot

[sweet summit]

oh

no

just uhhh

get damage

perma execute is good

and SS casts ww is cool

[blazing condor]

Yeah i have no problems with torghast at all but i just want it to be over faster

So wonder what is most efficient

[ebon geyser]

Only reason I like NF is because u just slam and done

No target practice

[chilly brook]

You could just have a cast at player macro

[ebon geyser]

[chilly brook]

Kinda like blood

Cast at player and then modifier for at cursor

[ebon geyser]

Blood? What's that

[chilly brook]

Blood DK

A lot of them use @player macro for dnd

[ebon geyser]

Never used @ macro

[blazing condor]

Wait you can use macros in this game?

[ebon geyser]

Laughs in charge and intercept macro

[outer solstice]

*hopes for irony

on my priest every spell is on a macro xD

[ebon geyser]

I wanna macro more buttons on this warrior

[outer solstice]

not much to macro for us

[ebon geyser]

I'm sure we can do better

[chilly brook]

Eh

[outer solstice]

play RA and macro 1.5 min trinkets into it xD

[plush tendon]

You can macro all your defensive CDs together

[ebon geyser]

I know wowhead say to macro shout and avatar

[chilly brook]

I mean cast at cursor for both spear and ravager

[ebon geyser]

[outer solstice]

cast @cursor for leap

[chilly brook]

Charge/intervene macro

And that's about it

[outer solstice]

and door

[ebon geyser]

Look stop giving me way to use leap

[outer solstice]

DR/BS macro

[ebon geyser]

I have been leaping too much

[chilly brook]

I have my racial macrod into avatar

But there's really no other useful macro besides the cast at cursor ones and the charge/intervene

Maybe a cancel bladestorm macro for when you're in torghast

But otherwise no

[ebon geyser]

I mean

[chilly brook]

But why

[ebon geyser]

Because buttons

[opaque quest]

Same. Maghar ftw

[chilly brook]

Like that makes no sense

You don't delay demoralizing shout

[ebon geyser]

Just hit the button twice

[chilly brook]

So you're still going to need a separate bind

Except you're still making a macro that's basically only maybe useful on the pull of something

And after the first pull of a dungeon its questionable on if they actually lineup at the same time

Unless you dont run AM

[ebon geyser]

Look I am saying that is in the wowhead guide

I'm just would like to macro more stuff

[chilly brook]

I am saying wowhead guide is meme

Llarold isn't really active here

Nor is he super active on his warrior afaik

[ebon geyser]

@ionic fern prot warrior guide when

[ionic fern]

Huh?

[chilly brook]

He writes the Icy Veins one

[blazing condor]

[chilly brook]

[plush tendon]

So famous

no wonder hes susforged

[chilly brook]

Orange is kinda sus

Ngl

[plush tendon]

Though, I do prefer the Wowhead site over Icy Veins

[chilly brook]

Literally opposite here

[tardy osprey]

I normally check both, and when they agree on stuff you know it's a safe pick

[karmic plinth]

what's the consensus regarding the new potency conduit? it seems to sim well but how well does that transfer into application?

[blazing condor]

Trasj

Or rather not better than what we have

i think thats the consensus but might be wrong

[tardy osprey]

the AA / Spear conduit is miles better, after that none of the potency ones seem impressive

[karmic plinth]

fair enough

[plush tendon]

I think the new one is better then Show of Force

which was our second best potency

but yea, they all trash

[blazing condor]

We dont really run two potency tho no?

Idrk the paths for other covenants than kyrian though

[karmic plinth]

new soulbinds give extra potency slots

[ebon geyser]

Idk I heard icy veins was turning into noxxic

So haven't been in that site in ages

[karmic plinth]

well the extensions

[plush tendon]

we'll be forced to I imagine

with the new slots

[blazing condor]

I am fail

Totally forgot we get more shit lmao

[plush tendon]

well if Mwahi is there, might be worth to check it out. But yea, I've heard the same thing which is why i have usually avoided it for years. But Mwahi is super susforged so you know hes legit

[distant crystal]

[glacial skiff]

would you all suggest using ashen or harrowing in that last potency slot?

[strong forum]

Never harrow

[glacial skiff]

kinda think each sucks but i guess i should use one

[strong forum]

Ashen is really good for venthyr

[plush tendon]

you might be better off just using your Nadjia tree even if it has your DPS conduits

but I could be wrong; I dont play Venthyr War

[glacial skiff]

nah, all 3 fury ones are useless

except ashen i guess

the benefit to harrowing vs ashen tho is not requiring using ashen more than once to gain the full benefit

[strong forum]

Harrowing is useless

Don't

Pick it

[glacial skiff]

what about the new conduit adaptive armor fragment?

[ionic fern]

ST with Reprisal binds.

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

very cool

[ebon geyser]

Yeah and I know mwahi is wholesome

[jagged pier]

damn 30 dps difference

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure a lot of the WoWHEad writers are also IV writers . 👀

[tardy osprey]

thanks for sharing the sims @ionic fern !

[sweet summit]

ngl

nf looking kinda dead

[chilly brook]

Oof

RIP venthyr

Only thing it had is now no longer a plus

[sweet summit]

at least it still has the best mog

[tardy osprey]

NL best mog

[distant crystal]

ooooh good lookin out

[rotund parcel]

and a pretty rad mount

[distant crystal]

i was supposed to transmog while i'm in oribos

[plush tendon]

wait, why NF dead?

[sweet summit]

basically same dps as kyrian, but not kyrian dungeon benefits

[strong forum]

^

[plush tendon]

but those are ST sims

[sweet summit]

i am aware

[plush tendon]

hmmm please dont say anymore

[sweet summit]

:p

[plush tendon]

well I dont have to worry about Kyrian dungeon buffs since I run with a WW

so I guess as long as they remain similar in M+ I should be ok...

[sweet summit]

ye it still has that knockdown niche against casters

so thats epic at least

[distant crystal]

NF might be the hard to fill slot in an M+ group now tho

lot of dps leaving NF this season

[plush tendon]

itll depend on what people are playing i guess

[cedar spear]

So I just accidentally switched back to Necrolord because the quest npc was in the middle of 9.1 quest givers... Fml

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

lol

[plush tendon]

I almost did the same thing

[distant crystal]

lol i was terrified of doing that on my druid

on the last part of switching back to NF from venth, kept checking every quest to make sure it was campaign and not that

[cedar spear]

It's so weird that you have to wait 5s to pick an item from your vault but swapping covenants is just a regular quest hand-in

[strong forum]

that seems hella dumb

wtf

[fading relic]

maybe silly question do those sims account for the bron fix reducing stacks gained?

[strong forum]

we never had a ton of stacks as prot to be gained

[fading relic]

it ceratainly wouldnt be a big difference but i just wanted to check

[strong forum]

last time i asked bron stack gain wasnt implemented in simc yet

but it would mean little to no difference for us

iirc

[fading relic]

good to know thanks

[crude tartan]

this isn't prot related, but anyone know if the soul ash vendor package is in the game?

and if it is, where do you get it?

[sweet summit]

yeah, about that 👀

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-imagination-rainbow-happy-gif-4596954

havent heard of anyone that has found it

[sick sentinel]

so pelagos or mechanikos for prot warriors in raids/m+?

[strong forum]

yes

[sweet summit]

pelagos for now

mikanikos at 57

[strong forum]

pepe until renown 57

[tardy osprey]

just my own personal feelycraft, but Bron seems to gain stacks much faster now

[strong forum]

yes he does

[modern brook]

nice feelycraft tbh

[graceful cobalt]

Viscera of Coalesced Hatred how good is that for warrior

[modern brook]

not

[strong forum]

not great, not terrible

its an OK trinket

[merry bough]

J

[modern brook]

Isnt that the one thats just bad uhh WQ kyrian one?

[strong forum]

no

viscera is the ToP damage trinket

[modern brook]

hmm

Doesnt it do the same thing

[sweet summit]

basically yeah

[strong forum]

its moreso

gluttunous spike

[ebon geyser]

What we get at 57

[strong forum]

last cornerstone of mikan

[ebon geyser]

So cry boy until u can use the owl

[strong forum]

sure

[modern brook]

crit bitch only tbh

[strong forum]

i like my free mastery tbh

[ebon geyser]

I need to look at the path for pelagos

Haven't even checked

Hopefully I can get some renown levels today

Need to stop procrastinating

[pastel sleet]

lol i accidentally delete my "shaping fate" quest after doing the dailies and assault. guess im screwed until next week lol

[crystal iris]

Thunderlord vs Seismic reverb ? Throughts?

for damage, plan to use it in lower keys when helping guildies so I do more damage

[tardy osprey]

for lower keys I just use Signet / Ravager/ AM

[crystal iris]

yeah but doesnt signet only proc off avanger?

[jagged pier]

seimic is by far the highest dps leggo in aoe

[tardy osprey]

and Avatar

[modern brook]

Signet does not proc off ravager, it only procs off avatar

[blazing condor]

Do ”old” dailies (like WQs in maldraxxus) count towards the new weekly with jailer’s forces?

[modern brook]

for prot*

[crystal iris]

haha i was trying to type avatar (which i though was avenger lol)

so seismic will do more aoe damage than thunderlord with booming voice and unstoppable force talent?

[modern brook]

Seismic does more than tlords with the proper talents too

UF is a loss regardless of other talent/lego decisions

Thunder Clap is just bad this expac

[crystal iris]

so i guess seismic with best served cold?

[modern brook]

Seismic Booming im pretty sure Obviously

@jagged pier would know better than i; he actually plays with it

But im fairly sure BSC only gets value w/ reprisal cause of the increased Revenge! procs Yeah you run it cause it boosts revenge :^)

[crystal iris]

doesnt seismic buff revenge, so youd also want the talent that buffs revenge?

[strong forum]

Bull wtf

yes you play BSC with seismic

anything else would be big dumb

seismic is basically a 75% buff to revenge on 3+ targets

[crystal iris]

hahahah

[strong forum]

then BSC adds another 20%

[crystal iris]

love the edits

[strong forum]

and the 50% from the 3ppm proc

[modern brook]

I forgot bsc affects the base damage lol

[strong forum]

rogue

[modern brook]

Ima boomering voicer tbh

Still havent made my reprisal lol

[strong forum]

the only time i run booming in m+ is on accident

WE SLAMMING

[crystal iris]

ill run it with the wall when im scarred of magic damage

[strong forum]

well.

[crystal iris]

but i just need to learn to be better with reprisal

[modern brook]

^

[strong forum]

yes

[modern brook]

I stil lplay with the wall soley because my warrior ended up mostly being pvp arms this last patch

and i wanted the ash to do dumb pvp stuff

Its objectively a worse decision, especially within the context of keys

[jagged pier]

ive also seen sims

but even in my boost runs i just ran rep anyways

as the healer usually was dpsing

[strong forum]

cant trust healers

cant trust dps

and especially, cant trust other tanks

[crystal iris]

lool

[modern brook]

basically if they play wow, they're probably bad at it

[strong forum]

this

[jagged pier]

this

[crystal iris]

sitting in LFR Sire with 40 stacks of the phase 3 dot on me

40 fkn stacks i was typing TAUNT

[modern brook]

?? just death strike 4head

[crystal iris]

was taking something like 17k damage per second from i

it

[modern brook]

lol

honestly thats what you get for doing lfr

[crystal iris]

LFR is great for anima and renown

[rotund parcel]

my cotank on sire never knew remornia was thing

[chilly brook]

I need to farm renown

[crystal iris]

its gotten a lot better i rarely wipe in lfr

[rotund parcel]

feelsbadman

[chilly brook]

[crystal iris]

Ok what about natures fury the new leggo

[modern brook]

ZZZZ

[strong forum]

ZZZZ

[crystal iris]

I guess thats useless if im running it in lower carry keys for damage becuase things wont live long enough

okok seismic it is

Still have to craft the new one for my furry though

[strong forum]

natures fury is good

but

eh

[chilly brook]

Your furry?

[crystal iris]

main fury but love prot too

[chilly brook]

Ban furries

[crystal iris]

I dont trust myself to tank 15s yet so ya

[chilly brook]

Smh

Joke

Head

[crystal iris]

this season ill get there. my team isnt amazing and shit got pulled that would fk up pride

only hit 221 ilvl 2 weeks ago since i started shadowlands late

and only been tanking 2 months gimme a break haha

[chilly brook]

[crystal iris]

starting running mythics for the first time 4 months ago

[chilly brook]

I can't even make jokes in the discord anymore

On a serious note

Just craft your prot legos

Soul ash isn't capped anymore

You can farm it

[crystal iris]

yeah exactly i have like 4k

ive got the wall and reprisal

wait what am i seeing are we supposed to have the wall on back now instead of shoulders?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[modern brook]

everyones scalping the fuck out of leggo pieces rn

[chilly brook]

Domination gear

[strong forum]

if i were you

i wouldnt do wall at all

[chilly brook]

Well yea

[strong forum]

waste of soul ash

[crystal iris]

yeah thats what i was thinking

i already have it if needed but i should be fine with reprisal + seismic

[rotund parcel]

my wall is shoulders, my signet is bracers, my enduring blow is helm.

[crystal iris]

although i do like the wall in raid so well see how the fights end up being

[rotund parcel]

trifecta of recrafting legos

feelsbadman

[sweet summit]

sheesh

[crystal iris]

its lazy but my guild sucks at raiding so i end up being sort of the callout guy

[plush tendon]

what happened to your old avatar... I dont like the new one as much

[crystal iris]

its easier to sit there and shield slam while making callouts than it is to be charging intervening everywhere lol

[sweet summit]

new patch new me

[plush tendon]

dabu

[strong forum]

dont overthink it

its very easy to play

[sweet summit]

and i like this one better :p

[crystal iris]

i still dont see how you would do it on any boss that doesnt knockback

[strong forum]

[crystal iris]

i guess you run out right before you taunt, then charge in and taunt ?

[strong forum]

yes

thats 1 thing

[crystal iris]

hahah

[strong forum]

then you can intervene without moving

then you can charge when bosses stand still

[rotund parcel]

reprisal was kinda pog on sludgefist tbh

[strong forum]

or mobs on the side

[rotund parcel]

intervene cotank, charge back in after every circle

[strong forum]

i swear we will need a pin that explains how to use reprisal in raid

[plush tendon]

not as cute imho

[strong forum]

so people stop shitting their pants thinking about moving the boss 30000yards because thats toally what happens

[sweet summit]

:/

rude

[strong forum]

ya ima stop

[outer solstice]

but eh, thinking

[karmic plinth]

i would really love that myself

[tardy sequoia]

what spec is best for open world? is prot viable or better switch to arms?

[outer solstice]

everythign works open world

[tardy sequoia]

i mean being faster in doing quests

[outer solstice]

I'd say prot is better if you want to solo big elites

[tardy sequoia]

sometimes i take eons to kill 6 mobs even with 226 weapon and shield

or maybe that's just my perception haha

[steel locust]

use your cooldowns?

[chilly brook]

Just revenj

And execute

I always did open world content as prot tbh

[outer solstice]

can run seismic if you're worried about that scenario

[north canyon]

Has anyone noticed a problem with the necrolord banner giving it's buff to random people instead of the closest ?

[inland silo]

Someone in #arms just mentioned that a bit ago.
It would give it to the two closest people the first time you used it and would only ever pick them from then on.

[tame jasper]

all this shtity anima items -_-

[inland silo]

And since there’s 4 people total playing necro warrior bugs like that are pretty hard to notice I think

[blazing condor]

Honestly thats pretty dope if it worked like that

In m+ at least

Line up with your boomie and your mage then just use it like that every time

[strong forum]

Maybe is new tech

🤷‍♂️

[chilly brook]

Just like having a 0 CD shield wall with holy priest

[blazing condor]

Clever use of game mechanic

s

[orchid anvil]

Still no reason to swap from NF to Kryrain?

[strong forum]

Every reason

[blazing condor]

Kyrian gang

[strong forum]

They're equal in dmg now

[plush tendon]

boo

[strong forum]

Or well, are going to be equal in dmg

[orchid anvil]

I am NF, just thinking do i change and quickly lvl it

[ebon geyser]

Imo u have to ask yourself, you want vial yes or no

[plush tendon]

I think theres still reason to be NF

but its not as clear cut as NF=big damage

[chilly brook]

With less people being NF might actually be worth it

[ebon geyser]

What u mean, aren't all hunters NF

[chilly brook]

Not anymore

[elfin nova]

no they're kyrian

[chilly brook]

They're kyrian

[elfin nova]

mages are venthyr or kyrian, boomkins are venthyr

[chilly brook]

^

[ebon geyser]

Dafuq happened lol

[chilly brook]

Bron

[elfin nova]

fire dead

[ebon geyser]

Ok I gonna ask ....ugh what's bron

[elfin nova]

maybe

[chilly brook]

Mikanikos soulbind

Aka bron

Basically new covenant shit just put other covenants ahead for other classes

[ebon geyser]

What mikanos offer

[chilly brook]

Bron

[ebon geyser]

That NF don't have

[chilly brook]

Bron

[elfin nova]

look it's very simple

[chilly brook]

And shorter CD on your covenant ability

[elfin nova]

they're dps specs

nightfae no longer does the most damage

[chilly brook]

^

[elfin nova]

so they're not nightfae anymore

[chilly brook]

^^

[ebon geyser]

Is bron call to action?

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys! I'm back with another noobie question.
Is there a video list of Mythic+ runs recorded for each dungeon anywhere on youtube? I mean I know there are alot of them already but I want them for prot warrior only

[orchid anvil]

So should i change or not?

[ebon geyser]

Look for plka

[patent osprey]

yeah look for plka

[chilly brook]

I mean I'd say outside of dungeon buff not much reason to be NF anymore

But that's just me

[plush tendon]

What are your thoughts on Cov Plka?

[patent osprey]

well im venthyr...

kek

[chilly brook]

Its super similar damage output in single target and likely in aoe as well

[ebon geyser]

[strong forum]

Boomkins stay NF

[chilly brook]

Proggggg raiding boiiiiii

Fury go brrrrr

[patent osprey]

I prefer NF over Kyrian

because Aftershock is OP for interrupts

[plush tendon]

The Plka has spoken!

we need Plka Pins

[patent osprey]

and kiting is unmatched with soulshape

doesnt matter if kyrian's damage matches imo

[ebon geyser]

I mean if I'm reading the tooltip correctly kyrian bron has a knock back

[patent osprey]

yeah

and bron is a troll

[ebon geyser]

Idk how reliable will it be with casters

[patent osprey]

for knocking shit out of aoe

[chilly brook]

An insignificant knockback

Tbh

[patent osprey]

last season

fire mages hated it

[chilly brook]

Kekw

[patent osprey]

cause it pushed shit out of flame patch

[elfin nova]

doubt

[patent osprey]

boomkins venthyr atm

mages kyrian/venthyr

WW kyrian

Rogue venthyr

no NFs 😛 perfect time to NF

[chilly brook]

WW maybe Necro tbh

[patent osprey]

i think wws just prefer kyrian playstyle in m+

[chilly brook]

Yea they do

[ebon geyser]

I liked NF while leveling those casters interrupts

[patent osprey]

so ive heard

[chilly brook]

Necro just happens to be pretty competitive

[patent osprey]

esp with the buffed casters in HOA

AA is poggies

[ebon geyser]

But I heard u can get spear to 40s so that's pretty hot

[patent osprey]

40s spear wont help u when ur dps don't kick

[chilly brook]

They can't cast if they're dead

[mental scarab]

gang

[warped mulch]

DO we know how good the new conduits are yet?

[ebon geyser]

Good thing I'm renown 1

Lol

[strong forum]

Trash

The healing one is a good 3rd option

Which doesn't say alot

The potency one is laughable at best, but also a good 3rd option

Which again, doesn't say much

[distant crystal]

is the potency one the pri stat when you get healed?

[sweet summit]

ye

[distant crystal]

it's like 50% uptime right

[sweet summit]

ye

50% uptime on 45 str!!!

huge

!!

[distant crystal]

dassa foodbuff

[sweet summit]

well thats the 200 version for my fury gear

but it doesnt get a lot better

[distant crystal]

wow you think i'm a stud

😊

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Thank you guys

[strong forum]

Insane levels of power harnessed through the conduit system

!!!

So glad they expanded on it!!

[warped mulch]

i dunno, half an extra food buff sounds pretty good

[ebon geyser]

NF is niya right

Trying to compare Mika,pepe,and hopefully niya is the NF one

[strong forum]

Y-youre kidding right?

[sweet summit]

what

you need to check your ears

[strong forum]

Classes have literally conduits that make them immortal or increase their dps by 10%+

[warped mulch]

I mean, sounds way better than 40% extra spear damage and rage /s

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

wait.... that sounds awesome!?

[strong forum]

And the only thing they can come up with is "here's 30ish more mainstat"

As a new conduit

Like... Come on...

We all knew the conduit system would be abandoned but got damn

[warped mulch]

I mean why bother even adding new conduits if they aren't competitive with what is already in the game?

[ebon sun]

Because Blizzard doesn’t really care about what’s competitive.

They added them because they were like “Someone will pick this because they don’t care about being competitive.”

[fierce field]

"someone will pick them because the others are also steaming piles of dookie"

[ebon sun]

More or less.

[warped mulch]

feels like a waste of dev resources, then again it probably doesn't make much resources to come up with .35% healing every 10 seconds

[ebon geyser]

I mean let's be honest bwonsandi and the cgi team is carrying the xpac again

[strong forum]

That was a tooltip error

It's actually 3.5%

[ebon geyser]

Well I gonna stick with kyrian and hope for the best.

[strong forum]

So it's actually worth something

[ebon geyser]

I guess I'll play pelagos until I can use miki

[blazing condor]

Big brain play was picking pandaren back in MoP so i got extra food buff and got a free conduit slot now

[ebon geyser]

Panda yikes

[blazing condor]

Youre just jealous of my double rested exp

[pastel sleet]

any of the new conduits good?

[mellow bridge]

is it better than any of ours tho

[slow hatch]

if i switch covs to one below 40 renown, how does that mess up anything new id be doing

sorry wrong chat

[strong forum]

Better than BV and fueled

By landslides

(which isn't exactly hard)

[mellow bridge]

okay i meant more like

better than any of the ones we currently use?

[strong forum]

No

Neither of the new conduits will be used outside of being the 3rd or 4th pick respectively

[haughty sleet]

anyone gotten a 5 star torg run yet

[ionic fern]

No ,cause who even does Torg.

[strong forum]

People have, yes

In group its much easier apparently

[haughty sleet]

i feel like they didnt set the par time for non dps specs properly

solo i mean

[rotund parcel]

make friends with resto shams

:<

[mellow bridge]

wouldve gotten 5 star if i didnt forget to press the empoweremt the entire run lol

missed it by 4 points

def doable if you have any of the new research tree powers

[rotund parcel]

whats it judged on? just time?

[mellow bridge]

nah bunch of shit

time is just a smallish factor

doing more stuff gives more points and a bunch of random other things

like not getting hit by any traps, killing 2 elites within 10 secs etc

[strong forum]

Basically kill everything

Don't die

Don't get hit

And be fast

[amber herald]

that halls caster buff destroys us

why blizzard?

halls sucked enough already

[jagged pier]

eh?

[mellow bridge]

yeah that buff is really weird

[amber herald]

27% dmg buff to wicked bolt

[mellow bridge]

was basically a required kick anyway in high keys and then they buff it even more

kinda odd

[jagged pier]

SR damage

[blazing condor]

I just dont see the reason

Why double down on the one part of m+ you cant control - retard pugs

[mellow bridge]

well you see

they did some really good changes

so they have to balance it out by doing some shit changes too

[amber herald]

they nerfed SD because it was too hard so they buffed HOA to keep the venthyr dungeons at similar difficulty levels

I am memeing, but also maybe

blizzard brain after all

we said the same thing

[sudden field]

I miss my prot warrior and doing mythic til I started playing ff and forgot about all that shit 😂 sue me … but blizz need to get it together I miss my game .. but I’m not willing to come back for now

[rotund parcel]

5 star choreghast i dont think will be that hard for us

first run almost 200.

[haughty sleet]

Yeah I just swapped to seismic and was an easy 5 star

[rotund parcel]

no epic powers +10 no trap dam +10 2 elites within 10s +10 treasure chest +5

you can only get credited once tho

seems

prob be a bit easy otherwise lulz

[ebon geyser]

Don't bully me

[rotund parcel]

just get the weakaura that changes the mob nameplates in toreghast to names of people on the dev team

youll run it heaps then

[shut summit]

[ebon geyser]

I need to know if the guy that let u send the currency to your alt for Legos is in torghast or is it the bot looking thing outside torghast

Forgot her name

[distant crystal]

ven'ari

is the bot name, but idk who sells that

[charred vigil]

Have been playing fury but now thinking of tanking. Venthyr worth anything for prot ?

[lunar jackal]

renown cap is 42 right? many of the what to do videos said it was 43 but campaign didnt give one

[ionic fern]

It won't stop you from doing any content but it's not the most ideal Covenant. Kyrian / Night Fae are generally prefered.

[ebon geyser]

So should I be pelagos until 57 like someone said and then swap to the owl

[ebon geyser]

how often bron aggros enemies?

since it says it acts like a guardian

[wanton panther]

Guys what happened to the ROI rankings ? I went fom 25th tank in my server to number 8. Top tank had 3.2K score, now he has 2.4. I had 1.9K and now I have 2.3. I know ROI now uses blizzards score but how I climbed so up ?

[amber herald]

did you push a lot of tyrannical?

[wanton panther]

My top keys are all but SD on Fortified

[amber herald]

do you play a lot on tyrannical though? if you do might be why if the other tanks skip tyr weeks

[wanton panther]

Yea I push every week no mater the affixes

[ebon geyser]

i mean i dont blame him for skipping that garbage affixx

[cinder nova]

How come all the soulbind trees don't include armor fragments?

[torn gulch]

it is just me or the hands on tarragrue do not give a domination socket despite the fact that plate users have domination sockets on hands

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's wild.

[amber herald]

the hands with the socket comes from the korthia rep grind

[green hound]

So.. I made the reprisal legs a bit before the patch was announced... worth it to recraft legendary to get that socket? they are only 210 legs right now so spending the ash isnt an issue.

[cinder nova]

Legs don't get sockets.

Literally says that in the blue post.

Newly created Helm, Neck, Bracer, Belt and Ring Runecarving armor pieces will now always be created with a socket.

[green hound]

Must be a new post I just remember reading a headline that said "all new legendaries crafted in 9.1 receive sockets"

I see it now, thanks - found the post and read more into it and the post you spoke about, thats sneaky and misleading the way the title was written.

[cinder nova]

What's the max gems in a torghast run?

🤔

Oh, it's 5

How the fuck are people not 5-gemming this?

My first layer 9 run I got 5 gems ezpz

[chilly brook]

Cuz impatience

Literally pull everything and get all the things and you 5 star

[cloud mauve]

hello guys, does anyone know how much haste prot warrios need?

[chilly brook]

There is no magic number

#268491842637660160

Your stats are irrelevant

Press your buttons properly and you fix 99% of your issues

[cloud mauve]

got it

if anyone can give quick advice for a weapon cause i'm still rocking a 187

[chilly brook]

Ilvl

Is king

The best weapon you can get is the highest ilvl one

[languid flower]

When did/does the patch drop?

[dusty rivet]

yesterday

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5AkIfgioA4

every time i run a key

always some damn ring i don't want and so i give it away

[solemn current]

Ok so what happened to the 3 mobs before last boss in Spires?

need a different order or something because that last mob was chaotic as all hell

[empty spindle]

Facing outwards

Middle

Left

Right

[solemn current]

Have you done them since the patch? The mechanics completely changed on them

[empty spindle]

Use a spear on the last one

Yes

I haven’t stopped playing since launch

[solemn current]

We didn't have a spear, but there's gotta be an easier way with those new mechanics on the last guy

[empty spindle]

Use the bosses room as effectively as you can

You generally use a spear

[solemn current]

It's not the room it's what's coming out of the boss itself lol

[empty spindle]

On the last mob at 50% health and on fortified weeks use hero on that mob

[solemn current]

Wide arcs shooting out random directions that damn near one shot

[empty spindle]

Diummendo??

[solemn current]

Don't know what it's called, but it hurt

new mechanic

[empty spindle]

The spears shoot out lines

[solemn current]

not anymore

[empty spindle]

Did the mechanics actually change or

I didn’t notice … maybe turn spell density up so you can see it ?

MYbe your not seeing the spells

[solemn current]

Its not that

its new

[mellow bridge]

The mob is buggy

Instead of shooting the lines from the spear, it comes out from himself

[shut summit]

the mob has changed yea

its weird

[mellow bridge]

A bug I reported at least a month ago on ptr but blizz decided to ignore it I guess

Like it's straight up unplayable on high keys

Virtually random oneshotting lines really cool

[solemn current]

if it ain't a bug then rip

[mellow bridge]

I believe you can look at the spear position to figure out in what way it will shoot out from the angel but when there are several it's virtually impossible

Unless I'm missing something

[sick sentinel]

best u could do is just line up good SW's and reflects, externals on them, use the spear when they have dps and pray to god

[grizzled forge]

how should our Mikanikos tree look?

[sick sentinel]

you don't lose points for changing left or right, only changing the conduit itself

[grizzled forge]

ya just curious what side to go down normall it splits into 3 in middle so potency endurance and finesse

[sick sentinel]

seems like left path is going to be best because more dps options for that conduit type and its a dps effect

past 40, where we were left of im sayin

[green hound]

forgelites very last talent looks fun, but it seems like pelagos is still king for m+ and raid content huh

rather mikanos for pumpin some dmg in m+ but pelegos for a well rounded option

[opaque quest]

Wont i still lose my anima conductor rank and stuff on a swap?

[ebon geyser]

Also no wonder we couldn't find the ash vendor.. it unlocks at rank 44

[ebon geyser]

anyone know if normal nighthold drop 1 piece or drop like 10 like older raids?

[gaunt verge]

multiple pieces now

[ebon geyser]

sweet ty

[tribal yacht]

whats the new best slot for "The Wall"

Cloak?

[fading dirge]

So question with mythic plus, how do you track that your doing well defensibly? (Healer main) and im used to seeing tanks chunking the healing meters. But with ignore pain being lower on the priority list, I didn't know if you still hit a decent amount of HPS?

[solemn current]

No that's usually the mechanic, but today I go in and the spears shoot nothing. The second guy we killed had a different mechanic than usual and the third guy did what's basically like diummendo where it arcs in a direction only it was more like projectile balls in a 3 ball wide arc shooting from random directions of the mob itself from 3 different angles at a time. First time in there since patch so no idea if it was a bug or new mechanics.

[solemn current]

Any recommendation on a new order to kill or somewhere to learn how to properly handle those mechanics? Have no idea what to do besides eat the balls as a tank and make the melee stand in ranged lmao.

[stone nebula]

sup all, is IQD any good for tanking purposes?

[glacial skiff]

is adaptive armor frag good for venthr prot warr?

[keen halo]

Any necro here? My banner seems didn’t work - buff always applied to same people, range don’t matter. Literally 9 casts same 2 people get buff.

[limpid pawn]

if we are trying to min/max

what should our daily routine look like now

[opal python]

hey. i'm returning back from from BFA and haven't played SL much. i heard prot warriors were not the ideal choice for m+ back in s1, but it seems they're ranked as 'S-Tier' now. so i was just wondering what happened as it says prot warrs received no proper changes?

like why are they considered one of the best tank choices now? i mean its nice to know that but just not sure what makes them so much better now than s1? unless its primarily just growth of stats?

[limpid pawn]

it's a legendary that filled in some huge weaknesses for us (reprisal)

it allows you to keep up 80%++ shield block uptime in mythic plus with skilled play

also increases your AOE damage by huge amounts because we also take better served cold talent

and every charge/intervene gives you a free 'reveng!' proc

[opal python]

ahh

right makes sense. just sucks that i'm gonna have to stick to a particular content cuz of kyrian/venthyr swap as i'm raiding as fury with the guild and wanted to push keys at some point :/

[crystal iris]

You’ll be fine up to 15 as venth but it way less fun in my opinion. Having condemn be the majority of your damage by a long shot just isn’t fun for me

[limpid pawn]

just make a seond warrior

*second lol

[opal python]

:P

[opal python]

yh true

[mighty valley]

condemn is not most of your damage in m+ by a long shot lol

[limpid pawn]

fairy dangeorus to condem as a prot war IMO

[mighty valley]

totally fine on bosses but it's not used much on big pulls

[limpid pawn]

yeah big pulls on fortified weeks

in a serious key

so i think if we could customize everything

ancient aftershock, while retaining kyrian dungeon bonus would be so BIS for m+

lol

[sick sentinel]

whats the recommendation for covenant if ill be raiding Prot but doing keys as fury?

[mighty valley]

what lvl of raiding?

[sick sentinel]

id say dabbling in mythic. Usually 4-6/10 scenario

[mighty valley]

kyrian might be the best balance

night fae isn't as busted for damage as it used to be

[limpid pawn]

kyrian or night fae

because - night fae prot is actually quite good

the only problem is losing the dungeon bonuses as kyrian which hopefully will be less of an issue w/ kyrian hunters/mages

[mighty valley]

i think you'll be fine with whichever you prefer between nf and kyrian

or, like, whatever if you're not pushing for world first lol

[sick sentinel]

sounds good. guess ill sit here and contemplate which one ill prefer more lol

[limpid pawn]

night fae ability is in general actually better than kyrian spear IMO

for mythic plus prot

[mighty valley]

it is nice to not care at all about a couple affixes

with phial

but don't listen to me, nothing will make me be not venthyr

[sick sentinel]

you prot as venthyr?

[mighty valley]

yep

[sick sentinel]

how do you like it. honestly. Cause i actually enjoy venthyr alot. part of me is just in the boat of make it work and see what happens lol

[mighty valley]

I love to press Condemn, it's fun to kite with door of shadows even when it's not necessary

[sick sentinel]

could be the theme. who doesnt like vampires 😆

[mighty valley]

nadjia is cool

we hang out in cool dracula castle

it's not optimal but like, you don't need to be close to optimal to do everything

[limpid pawn]

the easiest way to have done venthyr prot right would be

to maybe empower ravager instead

condemener

so is valor still used?

or are we using research to level everything up

[strong forum]

You'll get a valor currency reset once s2 hits

[obtuse monolith]

I just think Prot Venth needs Massacre baseline. It’s not like it would break Prot DPS or mitigation to get the defensive benefit of Condemn for 55% of a health bar instead of 40%.

It’s already so far behind Phial + Spear

[limpid pawn]

is torgahst layer 10 open this week or no

[strong forum]

No

Only until layer 9 this week

[wet compass]

please

[wide pilot]

How lazy can you play with reprisal before the wall gives more value

If my goal is to go no higher than 17/18s

[mighty valley]

I think if you just charge on pull and intervene on CD that's likely better than the wall

assuming you take the random free opportunities to charge that just come up

[quiet crane]

Even just charging in alone probably ends up beating it, intervene is so potent especially in mplus you’d be silly not to run it

[wide pilot]

Ok was thinking of venturing out of my wall comfort zone and trying it out.

How awkward would you say it is when 1st starting out?

[limpid pawn]

a bit but if you use good weak auras that track charge/intervene properly

then it should be intuitive

gotta treat them like resources

[mighty valley]

If you have any melee in your team and you make a mouseover macro for intervene, that part is pretty easy to just treat as a free spell

You can start to add in more in/out movement to maximize charge as you get more comfortable

[strong forum]

That depends entirely on you

I find it relatively easy, especially in m+

[jagged pier]

Charging to pack gives reprisal better value than the wall

[strong forum]

Only select few bosses reprisal is awkward to use, like spires 3rd boss

[tame jasper]

Is it enough to get one of the two layers with 4 stars to unlock 10 next week?

[strong forum]

Na i think you need to complete 5 star

But im not sure tbh

Haven't researched 9.1 stuff yet

[limpid pawn]

wait can you proceed to layer 10 next week if we 4 star layer 9?

or does it have to be 5 star

[strong forum]

I'd 5 star it just to be safe

[edgy belfry]

you only need 4 stars to progress

[gaunt dawn]

4 star = layer unlock

5 star = adamant vaults (when unlocked)

as we cant unlock that yet

[pine cypress]

are layers 9+ still unlocked acct wide?

[gaunt dawn]

4 star is all u need

yeah

[limpid pawn]

is it account wide

like if i unlock layer 10 on one char all my chars have it?

[gaunt dawn]

i've only done layer 9 on one char

and alts i've done it on have layer 10 unlocked 👀

but you're slamming layer 9 on em all this week anyway

dead week for content 😴

[limpid pawn]

hey

how do we start the "chit" quest

[blazing condor]

Fuk i only got 3 stars

Cba to redo

[jagged pier]

U must for minmax

Good point though i usually ran torgy while eating food and not play half of it i guess i shall not do that this time and actually play

[limpid pawn]

oh man