protection

[finite bolt]

yer not it simular to am

[jagged pier]

so u loose the SW cd and the avatar cd reduction

[plush tendon]

I ❤️ the necrolords, but I would caution any casual player wanting to play it (still can of course, we live in a free country!)

[jagged pier]

and u would never run it in m+ its too much of a lose

[finite bolt]

yer i kinda like viel and remove posion

alot of dammge out put thou

[jagged pier]

less than u think

for the warrior its still a dps lose and the only sims ive seem are with it with AM but on progress u would be running bolster as u loose the block

so its even bigger for the warrior than the 100ish dps ive seen

[strong forum]

3

[jagged pier]

but buff 3 classes regardless of what they are is still okay

[finite bolt]

in survialbytie sence is seems good ish but sheild is errr low

[jagged pier]

how its is good in a survivability sense?

[finite bolt]

repreasal too good id guess to change

[jagged pier]

u cant use it for defesnive value

as youll have to use it around dps cds

[junior igloo]

I kinda feel that some of you are comparing legendaries are some are comparing covenants 🙂

[strong forum]

Any combo really

All tanks are good

[jagged pier]

All tanks are bad

[finite bolt]

sus

[strong forum]

Prediction from some people is we will see all tanks across the first 10 mythic sylvanas kills being used

With some people excluding paladin

[timber jasper]

i would say depending on the raid comp. if you have havoc, you dont bring vengeance. if you have ww, you dont bring brew

probably would go for pwar and bdk since AMZ is stronger than the dmg dk version

[strong forum]

Amz is dogshit

Even on bdk

[timber jasper]

guardian also nice tank but doesnt bring utility sadly

[strong forum]

That is not part of the equation

[timber jasper]

yeah dogshit but not as on frost/unholy

[tardy osprey]

Bear, PWar, and Brew will 100% be seen in prog

[strong forum]

That's why you don't bring dks period

[finite bolt]

monk

[strong forum]

Outside of comfort picks, there is no reason to bring a dk anymore

[finite bolt]

DOWN with dks!

[strong forum]

Same as bear

Which is enough of a reason to bring it

Because tanks survivability doesn't play a role in raid with current tuning

[modern brook]

💯 💯 💯

[slate shell]

i have reprisal on feet, do i need to recraft it?

[strong forum]

In an ideal scenario yes

Legs offers more stats

So it's the optimal play

[finite bolt]

kyrain for life?

even thou necro seems good

[timber jasper]

true. we have two raids. raid 1 running bdk/guardian. raid 2 is running pwar/pala. we will se which one struggle less

[ebon geyser]

I'm having panic attacks of underperforming

Lol

[true olive]

It's just a game

[strong forum]

Not a panic attack in my case, rather just performance anxiety

But that usually ends after 1 pull

It's the anticipation that gets me

"Have to do it to know I can do it" kinda deal

[finite bolt]

do i have to craft legendary again?

[strong forum]

If you don't have reprisal on legs, and you care about getting a few more stats out of the increased ilvl it offers, yes

If not, I wouldn't bother

[finite bolt]

i got boots :C

[ebon geyser]

I mean this will be my first time tanking since legion

[junior igloo]

Just keep rank 4 boots for now and craft directly rank 5 pants in a couple weeks

You will get Soul Ash incidentally in new patch

[strong forum]

Welcome back meiffer BTW, didn't see your name in a while

[junior igloo]

Hi 🙂
Back to tanking next tier, so I'm trying to catch up

[ebon geyser]

Welcome back I member you

[finite bolt]

ok legit confused i have theses rank 4?>

[junior igloo]

Yes, 235 is rank4

[ebon geyser]

So reprisal on pants if I'm reading guide right

[strong forum]

Ideally yes

[autumn pendant]

Thank god

I crafted them there

[finite bolt]

buy pants then?

[ebon geyser]

Also in order to power to 40 renown just spam dungeons

[finite bolt]

rank 4?

[strong forum]

Big brains crafted on legs knowing that it's unlikely that increased ilvl pants are dropping again from the last 2 bosses

[finite bolt]

i want m plus legs with versa

[junior igloo]

Yes, pants have more stats and they are not a reserved slot (for domination sockets or anything like that)
Legendaries can be crafted at different item levels. 235 is rank 4 and it is currently the highest (ranks 1-4 require only Soul Ash)

In new patch, ranks 5 and 6 will become available (higher ilvl), they will also require new currencies.
So when you have enough of new currencies to craft rank 5, you should do it on pants ideally (it will cost some extra Soul Ash, but Soul Ash is not an important currency in 9.1 as it was now, you will gain a lot automatically)

[autumn pendant]

I play fury

Ofc im big brain

[brittle owl]

[ebon geyser]

So if I buy the piece for rank 4 and make reprisal after running torghast will that rank 4 have a socket? Also the stats scrolls would be haste and vers or haste and mast?

[timber jasper]

new crafted or upgraded legendarys will have sockets when you craft in 9.1

of course only helmet, neck, bracers, ring and belt

and yes. haste vers

[ebon geyser]

So pants don't get socket

Gg bliz

Ty

Hopefully I can get reprisal asap

[finite bolt]

4500 big sadge soul ahs right now :C

cnt i just use the wall

i do do m plus sos i guesss

[jagged pier]

i mean reprisal is best for both

[finite bolt]

true

new PANTS tommorw :C

rank 5 you need rep?

gona be expensiv?

[junior igloo]

You can use wall or boots or whatever for now.
New patch will reward a lot more Soul Ash so you can craft then

[finite bolt]

get rank 5?

pants?

[ebon geyser]

I think meiffert said rank 5 and 6 need new currency

The one from raid maybe

[rugged basin]

so normally I play the wall legendary but am thinking of swapping to repraisal. For extended periods of tanking, I will do my 3 shield blocks then use shield wall/last stand (so long as I am actively tanking). With repraisal however, how does my use of shield block change? Do I do something like block > intervene > block > block?

[finite bolt]

soul cinders

but idk if u need rep for crafting recipe

legs dont has socket?

[jagged pier]

no

[finite bolt]

BIG OOF

[jagged pier]

how?

the leggos getting a socket

[junior igloo]

No free socket 😛

[finite bolt]

oh ok

[jagged pier]

are just ones where u could get sockets on thoughs slots already

so u dont mis out getting one because u have a leggo in that slot

[finite bolt]

so you craft lego get no socket whein craft?

[ebon geyser]

Hopefully I get some cheap rank 4

[ebon geyser]

I'm also interested in the answer to this

[strong forum]

Have charge, intervene and SB always on CD

Keep the CD rolling

So basically charge->sb->intervene

[rugged basin]

isn't it rough trying to charge during a boss fight while keeping the boss in position?

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

Most bosses stand still to do X

Or there are adds to charge on the side

And the general use of SB + intervene and your occasional charge can already cover most if not all tanking periods

[jagged pier]

u also dont need to charge like that most of the time because u wont need to charge before first charge 3 sds and an intervene

amount of shield block time runs out

[strong forum]

Really don't need to overthink it

Just make sure to atleast use intervene on CD and charge before you taunt off

[rugged basin]

ah kk

[strong forum]

You'll get the hang of it

[jagged pier]

thats the biggest argument ive heard about it not being good 'how to do charge when tanking the boss' when there are always so many times u can

[strong forum]

Huntsman is the best example

100% tanking uptime, and at first sounds hard to play reprisal

[jagged pier]

like loads of ppl wouldnt charge on sludge because the 'chain would break'

[strong forum]

Then you notice that he casts a ton and doesn't move

[autumn pendant]

Cant blame them if they played dps before 🤣

[ancient monolith]

Is this confirmed? I'm curious

[timber jasper]

yes it is

[hybrid ravine]

So, let's talk. Reprisal in raids. How viable is it going to be compared to The Wall? Whilst theoretically "better" - I'm not seeing too many opportunities currently for us to zip around without putting the raid at risk. Useless when doing a tank swap if you're not taking damage etc

[timber jasper]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gem-sockets-for-all-runecarved-helm-neck-bracer-belt-and-ring-upgrades/1012268/1

[ancient monolith]

and only these get the sockets?

thank you so much

[timber jasper]

just scroll a little bit up. they discussed this 10min before

[hybrid ravine]

Oh hah!

Indeed they do! Nice one 😄

[ebon geyser]

Explain for monkey brain like me

[jagged pier]

literally read the next few bits underneath

[orchid frigate]

any good tank guides for new raid while waiting for tanknotes to be updated?

[strong forum]

Tanknotes

[ebon geyser]

I did, so let's say I'm tanking boss cast I step back and charge

[jagged pier]

yes

u can charge that way

u can charge to adds

there seems to be a fair move away casts in the new raid

so u need to move away can charge back

u can always move out and charge in just before u taunt

[ebon geyser]

I need to get used to charge because my leap game is on point lol

[jagged pier]

u dont need to leap just walk

[ebon geyser]

Ohh I know I'm just using leap too much

I probably will go kyrian, I like the control I had over spear

But I like the cast interrupt from NF

[young oasis]

So we dont need to make cloak with The Wall? We can just put that domination thing in shoulders when we upgrade it?

[strong forum]

?

No

You can't put Dom sockets on legendaries

[timber jasper]

normal socket =/= domination socket

dont mix two things up here

[young oasis]

Ah ok

So cloak is still the thing... RiP

Thank you

[ebon geyser]

This covenant will be a decision like if I'm picking life or death lol

[timber jasper]

people just think to much about stuff which really doesnt matter unless you play like top 100 guilds or M+ teams.

just play reprisal or the wall and the covenant you like more

[ionic fern]

Literally pick what ever looks the coolest

[plush tendon]

So Necrolord

got it

[timber jasper]

venthyr for sure!

[ionic fern]

Go for it

[plush tendon]

if you want to be the 2nd best looking warrior in your raid LOL

[timber jasper]

i am playing female BE so i am the cutest in the raid anyway smh

[plush tendon]

If my warriors name wasnt Bjorn, I would be a female Blood Elf 😦

sadly, in my days of youth and ignorance I chose Male Blood Elf

[timber jasper]

you can be named Bjorn AND be a female blood elf in this transgender times we live 😄

[ionic fern]

Cutest is a piggy tailed female gnome with pink hair..this was established ages ago

[plush tendon]

Yea, if you are a loli lover!

[ionic fern]

Considering i don't know what that is i feel safe to say that gnomes came before that.

[ebon geyser]

I mean their armor look is BiS

I mean I did enjoy the interrupt on NF but I like the control of kyrian

[plush tendon]

Im NF myself; but if we are choosing Cov based on looks, Necro wins by a landslide followed by Venthyr

[ionic fern]

Agreed

[plush tendon]

Also, how have you stayed so pure that you dont know what a loli is??

[ionic fern]

Idk and you make it sound like i don't want to know either

[plush tendon]

The more you know!

Which fits female gnome with pink pig tails quite well if I say so myself

[ionic fern]

O.o

[sour nova]

The name comes from the novel Lolita.

[modern brook]

wtf is going on

stop all of this please.

[sour nova]

Idk buddy, I'm just here to offer etymological expertise by way of Russian lit.

[plush tendon]

Actually quite fascinating; apparently its considered quite the read

[autumn pendant]

You def dont

[craggy harness]

And Loli is a spanish name with a diminutive of lolita

[sour nova]

How on earth did I never put that together.

[blazing condor]

Uh

I’ll come back later

[craggy harness]

We're done

https://tenor.com/view/caroline-cameron-sportsnet-round2-round-two-sign-gif-17953909

[blazing condor]

Ok nice

You guys know what Shotas are?

[stark sage]

[craggy harness]

Hmm, it wasn't what i thought it was

[crystal iris]

Do we know if the difference between Single minded Fury and titans grip is going to get bigger in 9.1? I play a lot of Prot as well and would like to know if running 2x 1H as fury would be a better option. Easier to gear up..

[brittle owl]

why the fuck is skyhold talking about lolis

[modern brook]

mods asleep i guess 🤷‍♀️

[high folio]

this is prot chat

[plush tendon]

That might be a question for the Fury Bois

[high folio]

this place stays wierd

[sweet summit]

god i hate spec channels

[crystal iris]

Yeah they're going off about the new raid i think my message got lost in all that lol

[sweet summit]

it kinda will, since KT weapons are so good TGs value increases

[crystal iris]

While Im here how the hell do i get casters to run to me? I can only interrupt one at a time lol

[modern brook]

unless theres a high ilvl 1hander and not a 2hander (or similarly a 1hander that has a great effect) 2hander will always be slightly ahead, its just more stats

[plush tendon]

Using line of sight

[blazing condor]

LOS works wonders

[modern brook]

LOS and your team using their kicks

[blazing condor]

And bank on your dps interrupting

[high folio]

LoS and your other dps interupting shit as well

[plush tendon]

Its a forgotten skill

but one that does wonders

[modern brook]

I'll often call for "a range kick on he one guy you're not cleaving"

[crystal iris]

Pallies have kyrian ability and DH have sigils of silence but im sitting there in fury gear getting destroyed by magic spells from some guy in HoA 10 miles away

[sweet summit]

on he one guy

[crystal iris]

Do not recommend tanking 15s with 9% vers

[blazing condor]

Good thing theyre buffing the casters in HOA for 9.1

[sweet summit]

i do tho

[modern brook]

i tank 15s at 3

:^)

[blazing condor]

Vers dont matter

Survival is 99% playstyle

[plush tendon]

9% vers is the optimal amount of vers

[brittle owl]

stats

[crystal iris]

Thought vers was our only defense against the dark arts

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

Demo shout

Shield wall

SR

[brittle owl]

hear me out

[sweet summit]

spell reflect

[modern brook]

IP

[brittle owl]

crazy idea

use brain

[blazing condor]

Toxic

[modern brook]

If you're getting trucked in HoA pulls

You're either a) eating too many dog bleeds or b) not blocking

[crystal iris]

I usually do the leap near so that i can spell reflect all of them at once, but that only works one time haha

[modern brook]

you can set it up with Shockwave

[crystal iris]

well i have to kite the dog bleeds, but that leaves the casters far away and uninterrupted

[crystal iris]

smart

[modern brook]

the casters are random target; so they shouldnt really be trucking you, also your teams abandoning you at that point and there isnt much you can do

[fringe marten]

So what does the blood shard set provide vs the frost?

[celest glade]

If conduit energy is an issue for me and I don't wanna swap conduits every time I swap between prot and the other two specs for m+/raid/pvp, which soulbind is better to set up for prot, Theotar or Draven?

[crystal iris]

Venth prot?

[thin nexus]

soooo

how are we feelign about the wicked bolt buffs in hoa

[modern brook]

I did Arms Naji; Prot draven, Fury theo

[crystal iris]

Kill me now

[plush tendon]

Also, theres a tendency to overestimate the value of vers; it provides straight DR equivalent to half of your vers value; so lets say you have 12% vers (hypothetical) you would be getting 6% DR. That wont save you

[crystal iris]

fair

[plush tendon]

Only good play will

[modern brook]

Ultimately the only soulbind (before 9.1) thats any good in ven is Naji

unsure how the changes uhhh change that

[sweet summit]

ngl

theo is looking hot 🥵

[modern brook]

but frankly ven soulbinds are kinda stinky across the board anyways (as of 9.0.5)

[thin nexus]

i honestly feel at my skill level (1850io ish), halls is the hardest prot warrior dungeon, and it sounds like it's getting harder 🙂

[crystal iris]

I usually run the wall in HoA just for the extra shield wall reduction

[thin nexus]

fuck thats a good idea

[dark lark]

Hi guys, just going over the fight mechanics for SoD and just at first glance AM/Wall will have a lot of value since there's a bunch of "100% increase damage" tank buster mechanics, whereas the only fight where you're probably going to constantly tanking thus using Reprisal is Kel'Thuzad's + his adds. This seemed to be the case in early undergeared prog for CN with all the bleed effects in there before Reprisal was reworked and by then we were already geared. Thoughts and/or corrections?

[plush tendon]

AM by itself is enough; you probably dont need both

[modern brook]

overvalue of verse comes mostly from corruption from what ive seen

end of 8.3 you could walkin into dungeons with a permenant Demo shout up

[crystal iris]

Does anyone know which reduces Shield wall more between The wall and anger management? by themselves i mean

[plush tendon]

yea, I did run a heavy vers build with corruption, but thats cause I ended up with 80% vers by the end

[modern brook]

both roughly halve it

[sweet summit]

theyre basically equal mattdz

[modern brook]

If you're debating a set up

[sweet summit]

but AM also gives more avatar

so 📈

[modern brook]

AM + Reprisal is always the answer tbh

[crystal iris]

so im better running reprisal and AM ?

[plush tendon]

with one of the two it makes SW a 2:30-2:00 CD, with both its a 2:00-1:30 CD (rough estimate)

[sweet summit]

ya

[dark lark]

@plush tendon I never did early prog where I'm doing mythic raid in sub heroic level gear but I will be this tier- will I need to SW on every tank buster?

[crystal iris]

I started running less reprisal in HoA because of the need to kite dogs, if i use my kiting abilities to charge back towards them then I dont have it to run away bravely

[plush tendon]

probably not

[crystal iris]

Sort of new to tanking - just started learning in 9.0.5 to help guild

Never tanked above 15 and the 15s ive done were very hit/miss

[modern brook]

you dont really need to use mobility to kite

[jagged pier]

progression tanking is about reducing the most damage which in 99% of fights is melees from the boss therefore reprisal is just better

u can use cds and externals for tank busters

[thin nexus]

yeah, often times just scream at your dps to help you

[jagged pier]

but if u take the wall to cover a tank buster but u loose 20% blocked hits

thats an OOF

[plush tendon]

big OOF

[modern brook]

yah but even if your dps are absolute oafs you can still get away with it

Int shout/ shockwave to run gets you there tbh

if theres literally any slow in the party

that gets you there

tclapaoe gets you there

[thin nexus]

i think in certain scenarios, if you know youre not confident/nervous, the wall is a better legendary

[crystal iris]

wish we had an aoe slow like fury

[plush tendon]

We recommend people play Reprisal and learn to use it; but yes, the Wall is fundamentally easier to use

[chilly brook]

Literally thunderclap

[crystal iris]

well ya haha

[chilly brook]

Thunderclap and run

[thin nexus]

its a 10% slow, it doesnt feel meaningful

[crystal iris]

^^

[dark lark]

So demo shout, AM'ed SW, and externals is enough to cover every tank buster in early prog?

[chilly brook]

Its meaningful enough to get you out of melee range after an auto.....

[thin nexus]

maybe if youre good

[chilly brook]

Wat

[crystal iris]

Im shit at kiting tbh i run way too far away

[thin nexus]

i just havent had success kiting using thunderclap

[chilly brook]

How good do you have to be to hit thunderclap and strafe at the same time?

[modern brook]

10% slow is enough

[thin nexus]

lol

[modern brook]

Mobs move at 100% your movement speed

[thin nexus]

i guess

[modern brook]

Its why people were always on about the tlcap aoe talent being technically bis

[sweet summit]

isnt TC 20%

[chilly brook]

Yes

[plush tendon]

you could always run crackling thunder 😛

[thin nexus]

im just saying from experience at my level, possibly due to bad kiting timing, i havent even noticed the slow when kiting with TC

[sweet summit]

wicked

[thin nexus]

so maybe if youre like very comfortable at the game it's a diofferent story

[crystal iris]

I like reprisal i just need to get better at it

[thin nexus]

just practice it, it takes some adjustment but you feel awesome once you get used to it

[crystal iris]

Ill kite and the dogs chase me but the caster stay still, i guess i just need to kite around to charge back at the casters

[chilly brook]

This isn't really a question of how good or comfortable you are at the game

You can literally thunderclap

[jagged pier]

not demo again your goal in early prog is to mitigate as much damage as possible not just tank busters, u need to plan out everything from when u first use your cds and when u will need them again, and when externals are needed so u know whats going on when, and this is where the wall uses value, because in prog as u want to mitigate as much damage as u can if u are running the wall u have to take bolster to cover the melees (the majority of damage) which gives u the same cd of SW as rep and AM. wher erep gives u far more blocked hits, u need to stop worring just about tank busters most of them can be covered by very little tbh

[chilly brook]

And strafe to get out of range

[thin nexus]

okay i dont really care enough to argue about it

[modern brook]

so once you've committed to the kite

Clumping shit goes out the window

You're not kiting cause its fun you're kiting cause its the only way to reduce damage income to stay alive

[chilly brook]

^

[modern brook]

If your DPS wants the caster to stay close tot he dog

they can kick them

it is not your problem anymore

[dark lark]

Okay thanks

[thin nexus]

yeah this was a big help realizing this

[crystal iris]

Yeah i need to communicate that more to my team

[thin nexus]

whats your team's comp?

[modern brook]

Literally if you're kiting - the only things you should be checking are "when are my CDs back up, when is this Dot off, when is my health back up"

positioning and all that is a non factor

[plush tendon]

You can also be NF and soulshape away while making cute hops 😄

[modern brook]

v true

[crystal iris]

true I am NF becuase i mostly play fury

Thats the thing I dont have a team comp where I am tank

[plush tendon]

or, MLG Door of Shadows if you are venthyr

or thrown the spear down

[modern brook]

door of shadow onto the pull for CC smh

[plush tendon]

but.... my charge

[chilly brook]

Muh rage

[modern brook]

NF brain has yall thinking small smh

[plush tendon]

[chilly brook]

Excuse you sir

I'm Venthyr atm

[jagged pier]

i mean youll be a monk in a few hours

[sweet summit]

venthyr gaming

[chilly brook]

Nah not until next week

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

Still attempting to kill sire

[plush tendon]

my condolences

[jagged pier]

^^

[plush tendon]

we gave up a month and a half ago; it was no longer worth it

[chilly brook]

Literally had to cancel raid last night too because the lag was so fucked

[plush tendon]

oooof

[blazing condor]

I do hope you get him

Last day

[jagged pier]

yer we had that a few times

[plush tendon]

you got it

[blazing condor]

Would be kinda bogchamp :-DD

[sweet summit]

race to world last

i believe in u

[blazing condor]

Good one

[jagged pier]

they can get it next week

[blazing condor]

Oh yeah

[chilly brook]

Ye monday is the last day

[jagged pier]

best pull?

[chilly brook]

Lmao like 19 people alive going into p3 like 40%

[stark lion]

We had a 0.48% wipe last night.

RIP CE

[chilly brook]

So kinda crunch time

[jagged pier]

ooof

[blazing condor]

U can do it

[stark lion]

Hoping everyone get in and grind that extra potency conduit before raid if server gods allow

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QHjvrLBWnG9gm6dV

[chilly brook]

Dont get me wrong

[stark lion]

This was last night, and I think it's the last night we are gonna get.

[chilly brook]

I'd love to get the kill

But I'm not bothered if we dont

It's been a wonky tier

[stark lion]

As long as your team is aligned. Missing CE because you couldn't go the distance can cause folks to go look elsewhere

[chilly brook]

For the most part seems to be pretty good

I came into this team mid tier

[plush tendon]

Not always; we've missed CE before, but for a lot of people, getting CE doesnt matter if you arnt doing it with the bois

[chilly brook]

But the RL didnt start raid leading until sometime right before I joined and they had to rebuild iirc

[stark lion]

Like I said, as long as your team is aligned.

[plush tendon]

Oh ok; I guess I didnt really understand 'team is aligned'

sounds much more professional then with the bois

[chilly brook]

Completely random

But anyone a future bass fan?

Cuz this slaps

https://open.spotify.com/track/1T7VGyEbMeuZmfQQIPT51S?si=wtpeQJ4iSYOE6s-JtFM4sg&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

[strong forum]

CE is all the way available until next week

[chilly brook]

Yep available until the new raid opens

[modern brook]

Is ksm?

[jagged pier]

yus

[modern brook]

Oh pog

[strong forum]

Not having ksm since winter

[modern brook]

My friends are new :)

Also

My boosts are income

[sweet summit]

sub buffs soon

[modern brook]

Haha who plays rogue 😬

[sweet summit]

me

[modern brook]

[elfin nova]

boosting 8 dungeons for 175k cut

[jagged pier]

i havent boosted in months

how much gold are we getting from valor

do we know yet?

[sweet summit]

i guess 1 silver per

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

maybe 1 gold per if theyre feeling generous

[modern brook]

Meet in the middle

10 silver

[sweet summit]

i have several questions

how is 10 silver in the middle of 1s and 1g

[cinder nova]

i have a question

how is one question several questions

[sweet summit]

i havent received an answer yet

[cinder nova]

WE WANT ANSWERS

[mellow bridge]

dont waste your valor

[river pasture]

when casting to activate the lanterns in sanguine depths, does my block chance and everything else dramatically fall?

[mellow bridge]

dont let it get turned into silver

use it to buy callous hides

and sell em

[river pasture]

I noticed that when I poke the lanterns while tanking I get fucking trucked.

[sweet summit]

you cant block/dodge/parry when you activate it

[river pasture]

ok makes sense.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, you can't do any of that when you're activating a lantern. Generally another reason why Venth tanking is kinda poo

But if you have a druid you can trees

[strong forum]

Advanced maffs

That's how

[river pasture]

makes sense.
i stay venth because I play prot and fury and condemn is just wild.
i may switch to kyrian again but eh idk.

condemn is crazy damage.

[sweet summit]

ya im venthyr too soon

[cinder nova]

You DPS in raids, Erga??

[sweet summit]

i do

[cinder nova]

Huh

[river pasture]

i'm thinking Fury is going to be wild

[sweet summit]

always have been

[river pasture]

but idk

will see.

[sweet summit]

it looks very solid

[cinder nova]

Imagine not getting the opportunity to be slapped repeatedly by big daddy dan

[river pasture]

my single target at ilvl 217 for my fury set is around 5.5k

[modern brook]

magnitudes

1g == 1x10^2 silver

1x10^1 is 10 :^)

[cyan grail]

what should be your shieldblockuptime in a key (in %)?

[pastel sleet]

Is there a m+ cap this week?

[sweet summit]

uptime is irrelevant, you want ~80-85% blocked hits

[chilly brook]

Uptime is irrelevant, you want to have high blocked hits

[cinder nova]

There's no hard %, but it should be pretty high during active pulls.

[sweet summit]

this is still season 1 @pastel sleet

[chilly brook]

[cinder nova]

Like, do you have block up? Cool - stay in and don't stand in shit, kick stuff, CC.

Do you not have block up? Run, piggy, run.

[sweet summit]

and ok sure @modern brook

[modern brook]

[sweet summit]

too slow :v)

[pastel sleet]

So no ilvl changes this week in the dungeons?

[sweet summit]

nope

[cyan grail]

i mean ofc its better to have it up in active pulls but it guess you can say sth like 10-30% or 70-90%

[cinder nova]

There really isn't a hardline.

Because it's entirely up to how long the pull takes.

[chilly brook]

[cyan grail]

okay mh

[amber herald]

80% with reprisal 🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

[cinder nova]

A 15 pull you could have 100% uptime on block but that same pull on a 21 will take too long to maintain 100% uptime.

[strong forum]

In a run where I had 85% blocked hits I had 66% uptime on SB

[cinder nova]

Like Erga said it's more about blocked hits

Not uptime

[strong forum]

Very hard to equate those

Can't just give a default answer

[modern brook]

i mean Blocked hits is just "value from uptime" really

[sweet summit]

wise words

[chilly brook]

Hence why uptime is irrelevant

Blocked hits is the metric

[fringe marten]

Matt...really? I thought you had self respect.. changed your avatar to vibin'gold?

[cinder nova]

Baldmangold

[amber herald]

Assmongoloid

[cyan grail]

i think the avatar from matt is fun 😄

[modern brook]

no fun allowed

[cinder nova]

Let's be real, though. Doesn't he go like 2200+ in 3s every season still?

[fringe marten]

Look; let's not lie...we all watch asmon, he's entertaining in short clips and can play a warrior fairly well if he wants to.

[modern brook]

go to #fun if you want to have fun

[fringe marten]

Exactly S

[chilly brook]

Can't have the true woyer experience if I'm not embracing the mascot himself

[cinder nova]

Does he even stream his arenas anymore?

[chilly brook]

Dont think so

[cinder nova]

...hmmm 🤔

[fringe marten]

However; the character he portrays is like...peak sweaty gremlin.. you don't wanna have your digital identity be him. Go basicbitch and don't even CHANGE your avatar like..90% of us.

[thin nexus]

its sort of hard to answer, but i find at like a 15-18 key level, with reprisal im having definitely over 80% uptime(sometimes closer to like 95%) for a decent size pull

[amber herald]

just press all of your buttons

[cinder nova]

We already passed over this, generally uptime doesn't matter.

It's blocked hits.

[modern brook]

@chilly brook just made his his favorite vtuber like the rest of us

nothing wrong with that

[jagged pier]

this has been said far to many times

[sweet summit]

painpeko

[chilly brook]

I literally changed the avatar on discord when I changed my name in wow for my warrior to Woahyer

[amber herald]

press all of your buttons and you can easily time 20s

[cinder nova]

kek

[thin nexus]

i think its very obscure advice for osmeone new to the class haha, so im trying to give more hard answers

[fringe marten]

But yeah, anyone who plays WoW and especially plays warrior says they 'don't' watch asmongold..at least youtube clips; you know they can't be trusted because they're liars.

[cinder nova]

I mean, handling advice with baby gloves means they'll never learn

[modern brook]

If one of the good warriors wants some free clicks

[thin nexus]

i think thats a sweeping statement thats based on nothing

[modern brook]

Yall could make a quick 10er about how to go over logs for prot warrior

fatty upload value tbh

[jagged pier]

i have

already

🙂

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

P L U G T H A T S H I T

[thin nexus]

whats your channel?

[cinder nova]

It's not, but what is a sweeping statement that means nothing is clocking your block uptime in 15-18s

[jagged pier]

its at the end erga copy pasta

[fringe marten]

Jakeys channel is "The Spiffing Brit"

[cinder nova]

Which is why we're saying that, because that's not clinically useful info

[fringe marten]

he has plenty of followers don't sweat it.

[jagged pier]

i fucking wish

[cinder nova]

It's like asking how to properly use dowsing rods

[sweet summit]

How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

😎

[jagged pier]

☝️

[thin nexus]

i think youre very strongly opiniated S so it is what it is

thank you for the link erga

[fringe marten]

like..at least jakeys avatar is: an ability we don't push..

[modern brook]

Its more that uptime is misleading, esp for keys

[sweet summit]

i push it in tbc

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...yeah, because I don't want people giving warriors bullshit info and then diluting the ability of players seeking help?

[modern brook]

cause theoretically you can pad it

[cinder nova]

Like - dude

[modern brook]

just by hammering it on cd

[cinder nova]

What the fuck haha

[modern brook]

even if you're not fighting anything

uptimes maximized now :^)))

value is not

very good way to die

[jagged pier]

i mean we dont have it anymore

[cinder nova]

Yeah we do

[jagged pier]

but we could have had it instead of ww back tbh

[modern brook]

jakey is a goddamn hero

[fringe marten]

Yes; even if you aren't in battle...you need to be hitting Tclap for rage. And rune it for the extra lightning strikes. Jump ALL over people and use the ability..they love it; they love the sounds and warrior immersion. Do it.

[cinder nova]

Every strike is a heroic strike

[modern brook]

thats why his avatar is heroic stirke

[cinder nova]

how dare you

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier is goated

[jagged pier]

i made the video so i didnt have to spend all day reading your logs

so u can do it yourself

XD

[cinder nova]

Is the video a log-reading tutorial?

[modern brook]

im trying to get yellow so i can do the same tbh

[fringe marten]

(I know jake; but I'm also linking that to Devastate..which we also basically never use now. But that exact icon is what..heroic strike?)

[sweet summit]

yes S.

[cinder nova]

I had to teach my RL how to do it. She was new to Mythic

Now she combs logs

[jagged pier]

i did that after being yellow

[modern brook]

yeah im saying

[sweet summit]

u can have my yellow i dont play prot

[modern brook]

I have to review logs when ppl ask

I dont either lol

[strong forum]

Yes

[cinder nova]

I check logs a lot, but that's mostly to see where I fucked up

[fringe marten]

It's not sunder; I ..have honestly forgotten the icon for sunder.

[thin nexus]

i guess more so ive kind of gone through this patch fromt he perspective of a total noob, to someone whos still pretty nooby but kind of knows how to use resources a bit better. when i started playing if someone told me to keep 85% block uptime i wouldnt have understood them. just personally i needed to get invested before i started reading logs and stuff

[cinder nova]

I was checking logs like every pull of M COB to make sure I was blocking Lunge right

[modern brook]

kinda a big deal ngl

[jagged pier]

its a broken sword @fringe marten

[sweet summit]

god damn

[jagged pier]

damn

[fringe marten]

OH YEAH..lol.

[modern brook]

💪

[tame jasper]

Do I see it correctly we stay with Pelagos?

(as kyrian)

[modern brook]

probably miko

[sweet summit]

until last rows are unlocked ye

[jagged pier]

for ST

mik at full renown in m+ and aoe

[modern brook]

^

[tame jasper]

Okay, so I need to switch to mik then

[sweet summit]

i think u play mik even on ST

bron stonks

[fringe marten]

...We are still staying with pelagos in raids? ...FFFFFUUUUUUUUUuuuuu

[modern brook]

bron gunna get nerfed i think

[tame jasper]

as I'm nearly only play m+

[strong forum]

Bron stinks sadly

For pwar

[jagged pier]

he got worse

for us at least

[fringe marten]

I was hoping the one and ONLY good thing about 9.1 would be NOT chasing balls in raids.

[sweet summit]

o :(

[modern brook]

frankly i dont care

i only play kleia for obvious reasons

[strong forum]

Bron is only like 70 dps now, when it used to be 400dps for monks

[gleaming oracle]

wtf are we goin kyrian in 9.1 for m+???? I take 2 weeks afk and missed the renown grind...shal I stay NF or wtitch now?

[fringe marten]

...because you're a holy paladin Bullfango?

[jagged pier]

but mwahi said no to one of my pings yesterday it was ither mik was best ST or rav doesnt give 6 stacks of bron cant remeber now 🤔

[jagged pier]

it really doesnt matter

[fringe marten]

Jake it's ravager

[stark sage]

i was going kyr before 9.1 😎

[fringe marten]

ravager doesn't stack fast any more.

[jagged pier]

oh so bron might be best ST then

🤷

[cinder nova]

Wont know until we get new sims

[jagged pier]

oh yer but bladestorm does

[gleaming oracle]

I really wanna stay NF but dont wanna gimp myself

[jagged pier]

thanks bliz

[strong forum]

Well mwahi is sim man

[fringe marten]

Right; and we're only bladestorming in torghast...YEEEE!

[jagged pier]

its not gimping yourself

[sweet summit]

you're fine

[cinder nova]

Oh, did he already throw up the numbers for the different binds?

[modern brook]

p sure absolutely nothing changed for prot war in 9.1

[jagged pier]

well if your kyrian mik is now stonks

[strong forum]

Kyrian will just be roughly equal dps in m+ in 9.1, instead of NF heavily dominating dps output in m+

[gleaming oracle]

thank god! thank you for response

[tame jasper]

so no mik? you all yellow ones confusing me 😦

[cinder nova]

You're gonna have more rage, though, that's for sure

[fringe marten]

But only worth when we get the full tree? Is that when you unlock the reduction for spear?

[strong forum]

NF isn't getting worse, it's just that kyrian is getting better proportionally

[ebon geyser]

But that NF 2m cd

[strong forum]

Mik is going to be very good

[jagged pier]

well 1:15

compared to 40 secs spear

i know which 1 i want

[ebon geyser]

40sec spear

[amber herald]

bron

[jagged pier]

exactly

[amber herald]

BRO n

[fringe marten]

The odd part is that most of the time it's not a huge boost; it just means you get it every pack basically; which you almost had it before...if we could get it to 2x a pack..NOW we got valu~

I knew they had to buff bron or change that ability at some point; it was so so awful.

[chilly brook]

Just be DH

Have your sigil on a 23 second CD

[amber herald]

it'll easily line up with avatar each time if talented in AM too

[chilly brook]

[amber herald]

so it's also a 20% dmg buff to every spear if you're hitting enough targets with it

[fringe marten]

...wait..wha?

not just cd reduction?

[amber herald]

because of avatar with AM

[fringe marten]

OH oh..yeah.

You had me sweaty for a sec.

like "HOL UP..new info?...aww mannn.. still gotta' use pelagos. I kinda' hate that dude"

[ebon geyser]

Pelagos more like cry a lotgos

I'll see myself out

[fringe marten]

We at blizzard understand you're a tank; and that positioning a raid mob can be very important..but could you please pivot all over the place and absorb these balls so you can play optimally? K THX

Servers 'supposed' to be up in..an hour n' 10?

[ebon sun]

Five hours and 10 minutes.

3PM Pacific

[fringe marten]

...You know you've actually made me happy Vile.

[ebon sun]

Okay.

[fringe marten]

Why did I think it was 3pdt and that was 1 my time?

[ebon sun]

🤷‍♂️

[modern brook]

ur bad at math?

[fringe marten]

DUDE the way the sun moves and the way humans randomly interpret it to suit their 'day times' needs is NOT MY CONCERN!!!

[modern brook]

time is a construct and is inherently meaningless?

[ebon sun]

Time is a weird soup.

[fringe marten]

^^^^

YOOO BULLFANGO GOT IT

[jagged pier]

Dont get me started u side step one step boss walks behind you

[modern brook]

adding this to my collage

[ebon sun]

I feel like boss hitbox/movement is a lot more wonky in SL than it has been.

So playing Balls: The Minigame is even worse.

[fringe marten]

Jakey no shit; like finding a way to get sire positioned on pull exactly how the rest of the raid expects it EVERY TIME..is like a little magic..

[cinder nova]

We don't randomly interpret it. We're diurnal you goof.

[fringe marten]

RANDOM INTERPRET...I DON'T NEED A URINAL I have a bottle next to me..you GOOF!

[elfin nova]

it's easy to position sire if you're just not warrior

[cinder nova]

New word scary.

[elfin nova]

and you can taunt him without him snapping

[fringe marten]

But yeah there's some wonky bs with some mobs, and it's not just clipping into their hitbox like normal. sometimes mobs will move normally other times they'll rubber band into you and sidestep..I'm not a fan.

[cinder nova]

I want to kill the miniboss in SKS

[elfin nova]

the big add in last phase of council was the worst

[cinder nova]

he just never stops moving

[fringe marten]

oh the terminator gargoyle? the only thing that made that less of a pain is the raid generally deleted it somewhat quickly.

So you blew through a few defensives and he was gone..otherwise; you were.

[elfin nova]

nah i'm just talking about how it moves

it will walk around you in a circle even if you stand still 🙂

full tyrant velhari coding

[fringe marten]

hm..I did notice he'd move a bit. If you want to see that AI in full autism force; the ? torturer guy on sunking fight. Literally stand still..watch what he does.

..homeboy thinks he's floyd mayweather.

he tries to constantly fly sideways and juke you for..no reason.

I think the problem with tyrant velhari was the forced bits of small movement; and because she was an oversized player race model (those are the worst) you'd clip into it or she'd get just barely out of max melee and want to move to you...by shifting to your side.

Anything that's an upsized version of a smaller model; the hitbox scales up and it's such a douche.

[sick sentinel]

im not sure, tempted to go to alliance for dwarf racial, remove disease base line is nice

had it for so many years is like a crutch

or human because remove stun and extra stats, never played gnomes or nightelves, mechagnome could be fun too

[strong forum]

no it cant

[sweet summit]

delete

[sick sentinel]

those feet are ugly

[strong forum]

i too like a race that cant use gloves, pants and feet tmog

[stark sage]

can mechanome have asymmetrical limbs

[strong forum]

not that i know of

[stark sage]

dang

[modern brook]

imagine doing mechagon

and thinking

"dang i really wish i could be one of these guys"

[strong forum]

me as a kid seeing a group of teenagers come out of hot topic

[fringe marten]

I respect nom for having the strength to make that statement.

[strong forum]

i like edgy

🤷‍♂️

always have

[jagged pier]

@strong forum

[strong forum]

i dont care about the gamer part, really, but the rest is allowed

and welcomed

[blazing condor]

You meet a girl

Will be enough

[sweet summit]

doesnt even have to be a girl at this point

[strong forum]

i was about to say that

[jagged pier]

Damn all SF thinking the same thing KEK

[blazing condor]

😳

SF stand for susforged

[strong forum]

amogus

[blazing condor]

A mongoose

[jagged pier]

Amogus

[blazing condor]

”Yes i’m a stormforged on the warrior discord, how could you tell?”

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/amogus-among-us-meme-impostor-sus-gif-20948491

[modern brook]

@strong forum

[plush tendon]

So to be stormforged, you have to like thiccc goth chicks

interesting

[blazing condor]

Thicc goth *

[modern brook]

this guys tryna make pancakes outa biscuit dough smh

[plush tendon]

oh right, its 2021

[blazing condor]

[plush tendon]

gotta be inclusive, my bad

[blazing condor]

Doesnt matter what affixes people have

We will still all get ksm

[jagged pier]

Will we though?

[strong forum]

watch me

[plush tendon]

does anyone know when theyll release the raid cinematics so I can spoil the story for myself?

[strong forum]

on raid opening as soon as someone finished the raid

[plush tendon]

swag

[strong forum]

i can spoil you if you want

[modern brook]

[plush tendon]

all I really want to know is if Sylvannas is a good guy 😄

or a bad guy 😦

[modern brook]

no

shes a raid boss

4head

[strong forum]

i can spoil it 🙂

[plush tendon]

so?

[modern brook]

raidbosses are bad

[plush tendon]

illidan was a raid boss

[modern brook]

yah and hes bad

[plush tendon]

Jaina was a raid boss

[jagged pier]

Slyvannas redemption

[mighty valley]

god illidan

[modern brook]

Yaeh and she was bad

[jagged pier]

Letssss gooooooo

[mighty valley]

does a genocide, then later: "he was good all along, you idiots"

[modern brook]

sylvannas literally cant have a redemption arc thats the whole point of her being the banshee queen

[strong forum]

can she though?

[jagged pier]

He?? U presuming alyvannas gender there?

[plush tendon]

we want redemption arc, we want redemption arc!

[modern brook]

smh

[strong forum]

no we dont Augusto

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sweet summit]

we dont

die sylvanas die

[plush tendon]

Well, I would

😛

[strong forum]

what

[sweet summit]

well

[strong forum]

really

[sweet summit]

youre wrong

sorry

:/

[strong forum]

?????

[modern brook]

t e l l t h e m e r g a

[plush tendon]

I chose Team Sylvie in BFA, I want some pay off for that

[strong forum]

Augusto is the reason why Sylvanas isnt already dead

i swear to god

[modern brook]

sylvanas is dead

????

[sweet summit]

she isnt alive

so yeah

[distant crystal]

jaina was a raid boss

[modern brook]

yeah

[distant crystal]

checkmate

[blazing condor]

Are any of us alive?

[modern brook]

idgi, shes bad

[strong forum]

are any of us sus

[sweet summit]

fair point...

[distant crystal]

how dare you

[modern brook]

if Jaina was a good guy

[blazing condor]

susvanas ventrunner

[modern brook]

How come she has a raid circle around her

[strong forum]

shed have a cock

[modern brook]

and is a raid boss?

HMM?

[blazing condor]

😳

[strong forum]

jaina isnt a good guy cuz she has no cock

[distant crystal]

we were just roleplaying as the bad guys in that raid

ya dingus

[blazing condor]

When the warchief is sus

[distant crystal]

@strong forum citation plz?

[modern brook]

Everyone know green circle == good, red circle == bad, yellow cricle == soon to be bad

[sweet summit]

true true

[modern brook]

Jaina == bad guy

[strong forum]

just use the forbidden spell

[modern brook]

ezpz

[strong forum]

||r34||

damnit

i replied to the wrong person

[modern brook]

yeah

[strong forum]

cuz you wrote

[modern brook]

I wasnt gunna say anything

[strong forum]

stop writing

[modern brook]

[blazing condor]

Mwahi can you pick me up im scared

[sweet summit]

hi scared, im erga

[sour nova]

I just want Sylvanas to have reasonable, self-interested motives that aren't fully aligned with those of the main factions but aren't Old-God-Must-Slay tier evil, either.

[sweet summit]

i want her to step on me

[blazing condor]

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

she has a self interested motive

[plush tendon]

Pretty much

[blazing condor]

Fuck 2d women they ruined my life

It aint fair

[strong forum]

and it sucks, BIGTIME

[sour nova]

Well that doesn't sound like it matches with the rest of my qualifiers =P

[strong forum]

it fully aligns with what you said

but im not gonna spoil more

already enough to get pissed

[plush tendon]

Yea for shit story telling!

[strong forum]

its so much worse than that

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

i can dm you stuff if you want

[modern brook]

i do :^)

[plush tendon]

Yes

...

I cant wait....

[chilly brook]

Yes, yes sir

[plush tendon]

Im one of those people that firsts reads the plot synopsis of a show before actually watching it

im terrible

: ^)

[jagged pier]

100% this

[blazing condor]

Biden said he’d make anime real

I hope

[modern brook]

anime is real?

it literally exists

like right now

you can go to anime.com and watch it

its insane

[blazing condor]

Damn

Thanks Biden

[modern brook]

(note: anime.com is probably a bad site)

[blazing condor]

If you want cool pictures of Goku go to Goku.com

For server rules reasons i may have to say dont go on that site

[sour nova]

Man, this community is great. Teaching me about all kinds of tanking - even tanking bad story.

[blazing condor]

I was under the influence of third party people. Anything this account has uttered here is not of free will and or isn’t a statement by me

I do not condone my messages

[jagged pier]

[fringe marten]

Millhouse Manastorm Is a (half of) dungeon boss..and was in a dungeon many expansions ago. He is 100% good person..can not must evil..this is elevated factual. Just because raid boss does not mean she's hot.

[blazing condor]

I aint risking anything

Imagine getting permad from here because you memed a bit too much

[fringe marten]

(She's hot)

[blazing condor]

Shes most probably cold

Considering she is not alive

[fringe marten]

Stop being wrong..it means her look, not her Temperachure... U R BAD at this.

[plush tendon]

We can stop Sylvannas with hugs and kisses

[blazing condor]

Brb gonna yeet myself off of ICC

[plush tendon]

then shell be warm inside, and not be a bad girl anymore

[fringe marten]

You have to complete the campaign to get the legendary ThotStopper..or when you see sylvanas she automatically blasts you with magic because you cut her face with your dual wielded axes... 😦

[blazing condor]

#arms may be full of but #protection is full with hornium

[plush tendon]

well, we sort of answered all the big prot questions like you want 9% vers, Cov choice is up to you, and reprisal is your lego

[blazing condor]

[fringe marten]

...9% vers...uh..what?

[blazing condor]

Alright now with that out of the way. Which wow character you wanna bang and why is it Alexstrasza?

[plush tendon]

9% vers is the most optimal number cause thats what Nerf has

Duh

[blazing condor]

What about andybrew doe 😦

[jagged pier]

Well he might have more now but he did 24s with 9%

[unique shale]

👀

9%

[plush tendon]

she has red hair

[fringe marten]

lel

[strong forum]

not wrong

[unique shale]

if people can time 24 with 9% versa then i am happy

[blazing condor]

[unique shale]

i go git gud more

[blazing condor]

vers is dead

[jagged pier]

I mean it has been for a very long time

[fringe marten]

Millificent manastorm is obviously the dysfunctional girlfriend you want. The other chicks featured in game are too SRS, too evil, or too bland to be worth your time.

[plush tendon]

its a number that is better when its bigger, but not something we actively stack

[plush tendon]

naw, shes crazy

[strong forum]

yes

[fringe marten]

EXACTLY

[strong forum]

thats the correct thing to take away from this

[blazing condor]

Just look at what Kungen is running and then copy that

[fringe marten]

She's ride or die...you wanna go evil? She gang..you wanna be a good guy? She down.

[strong forum]

"if people can do this at 26, i can do this aswell"

[blazing condor]

Well why couldnt nerf do a 25 then??? Obviously 20% more vers is the answer

[plush tendon]

Well, if you add 20% more vers (keeping everything the same) then you are actually much stronger

thats a lot of stats

[blazing condor]

🙂 true

[fringe marten]

Yes doing high keys has nothing to do with practice, getting better are routing, your team comp, your consumable usage or play....it's ONE HUNDRED PERCENT how much haste vs Versatility you have.

[strong forum]

clearly

[blazing condor]

why would we have bis stats if this wasnt the issue

[fringe marten]

^^^^

This guy gets it.

[blazing condor]

Icy veins clearly say it

[jagged pier]

What has happened to the discord this evening we all bored or somthing?

[fringe marten]

of course; waiting on servers to be up...and playing some more fenyx rising..

[strong forum]

yeah 9.1 dropped

nothing to do

[blazing condor]

For americans

I got a euros game to watch

[fringe marten]

you watch your money??

And they say 'we' worship money.

[blazing condor]

You dont?

What if it runs off

[mighty valley]

Servers still down over here

[blazing condor]

Just play on a 9.1 private server in the meantime

[plush tendon]

Gotta find productive ways to waste time

[lucid pasture]

has someone made a spreadsheet of all spellreflectable abilities in sanctum?

[strong forum]

yes

[lucid pasture]

i did but i was blind and did not notice the link

thats my bad 🧱

[blazing condor]

I didnt know we had it

So thanks for your question

🙂

[fringe marten]

Man..FK spell lists. I go by in game visuals exclusively.. a red laser beam with ghosts that track to other players...that's OBV NOT physical damage right?

WoW is 100% intuitive !

[plush tendon]

we have a different way of figuring out what is spell reflected and what is not

[blazing condor]

I go by ”lets see” … ”nope”

Listen to the sound

[fringe marten]

(is a joke about sire denathrius...also SLG having unblockable physical strikes..)

[strong forum]

ya i dont check the spreadsheet either

[jagged pier]

[fringe marten]

Some stuff 'when' the reflect happens isn't super intuitive. On sire blood price the knock back after you're suppressed is still deflectable so you have to cast reflect RIGHT before you get lifted up to deflect it in time.

(but that ability isn't even consequential)

and that's just dead content now...new stuff to memorize.

[uneven river]

What's the main thought on reprisal or the wall for raiding this tier which one people upgrading to max first?

[strong forum]

reprisal is better in every way

but slightly harder to play

[uneven river]

Reprisal it is then

[crystal iris]

Even in raid? Isnt the wall way better ST?

[sweet summit]

nope

[crystal iris]

i guess if youre tank swapping you can charge back in..

[plush tendon]

there are lots of opportunities to charge and zoom around in raid

[blazing condor]

The wall doesnt net you any dps gain because you run AM with reprisal anyway

[crystal iris]

i just find i need the rage most when im actively tanking the boss, and thats when i dont want to be spinning them around by accident, intercepting the other tank and eating his hits, or running around

[blazing condor]

Well i guess you get more rage but its still not enough

[strong forum]

Reprisal is more dmg, more block uptime and more rage

Even in ST

Just slightly harder to play

But not really hard

Just need to do it

[crystal iris]

with booming voice or best served cold?