protection

[fringe marten]

Also another thing that should tell you something; I don't think any of the top DPS logs in ANY mythic fights include a necro banner.

[jagged pier]

so its 800-900 instead of like 500

to overall dps of the raid

and thats using it in a perfect scenario

every time

[prisma bear]

overall isnt rly what concerns hard fights its using big burst for an execute phase or for instance first boss in mists

[fringe marten]

last time I looked at top logs no mythic raid prot were necro, no top logs has a banner for any of the dps classes. It's too little for too much work.

[prisma bear]

stacking huge cds to kill a dangerous add or phase

[fringe marten]

Is it going to be up for execute phase? did you HOLD it a long time to make that happen? how much damage did you lose vs how much was gained overall to DO that?

You're looking at this with a "what if the planets aligned and everything was just right for this banner to work.." and the reality is; that never happens.

[ionic fern]

In raids i have no doubt Glory/Banner are going to be used.
In Mythic+ tho...big doubts..maybe you will see some NL warriors higher up if they are also raiding in some world class guilds but after progression is done most serious pushers will probably go back to NF/Kyrian.
Glory in itself is great but losing Reprisal/The Wall in Mythic+ is a big hit.

[prisma bear]

banner was changed to not be worthless way after the world first race ended, and it wasnt even THAT great to begin with there. the new legendary for necro if you ahvent seen it is really really nice

[jagged pier]

i mean it cahnged to a 300 dps raid gain

thats its

ina perfect scanrio

[fringe marten]

Basically you went necro and you're desperate to defend it and not change back..is exactly what's going on here.

[jagged pier]

because u could buff 2 ppl for like 300dps but u yourself loose 300dps

glory does change that u loose less damage than before

and u buff someone else

but its still a very small gain in the long run of things

and thoughs numbers are using it on cooldown

with the right classes

in progression

[fringe marten]

Also you being necro won't be that bad for you either; and you'll have the utility of buffing other people and in a couple situations it might be optimal. You're just making life a little harder for yourself the rest of the time..is all we're saying.

[jagged pier]

u wont youll save it for points

so its even less of a gain

[prisma bear]

no lol im necro because i love it, fleshcraft is amazing as well i foresee world first people losing dps intentionally on dps classes just for fleshcraft. i love necro i would play it even if it was much worse i just dont udnerstand the hatred it gets from literally everyone

[sick sentinel]

what dps classes need mastery anyway

[jagged pier]

mastery is will increase damage for literally any class

just works better for others

[blazing condor]

Well we’ll just have to see how it turns out 🙂

[fringe marten]

Right; it's obvious you're necro..and obvious you're trying to defend your choice to everyone else. It's not better than kyrian or nightfae MOST of the time..that's a fact..period. You will have a few situations where you might be able to pull something cool out of it...they will be very rare. That is all.

[strong forum]

It doesn't get hatred

[proven breach]

Unholy

[sick sentinel]

friggin dks again

[fringe marten]

We're not hating on your choice..we're saying it's just not the best for most sitatuions/content.

[strong forum]

It was overhyped, alot of people played it. Turned out to be way worse than people thought. And that's it

[fringe marten]

and you're trying very hard to convince everyone it's the 'better' choice when it 100% is not.

[strong forum]

It's better on paper than on practice, nothing else

It has a spot for raiding, but it remains to be seen for someone to actually pull it off

[short kiln]

I think this is the most succinct response

[strong forum]

And it's not gonna be used in RWF unless you get 48 renown and actually get to obtain the legendary

Before the race is over

[fringe marten]

Blizzards entire design paradigm for the convenants was to make them pretty close to equal. They have done a better job at that that I would have thought..but there's still no way you're going to have wildy different abilities and have them balanced..ever. So some covenants just have a better overall kit for most stuff, or specific stuff..than the rest.

[strong forum]

Those are the facts

[jagged pier]

i mean they have only done that fro prot warrior it seems

everything else is very badly balanced

[fringe marten]

So if you like necrolord...play it; enjoy it..it'll work just fine everywhere. It'll just be slightly worse in execution than other options you could have taken. not "hugely' worse...but noticably.

well yeah; that's all I care about...I don't care about how OP convoke is..etc.

[strong forum]

Bdk for example can only play Venthyr and Kyrian, necro and NF are absolute meme tier for BDK

[fringe marten]

Right; but I mean for us..for what this channel supposed to be LOL.

[strong forum]

Pally really only has Venthyr, kyrian is fun but Venthyr is vastly dominant

[fringe marten]

The covenants are..way better balanced for us than I ever would have thought blizz could get.

[strong forum]

Ye

Except maybe venthyr

That one is

🤔

[steady slate]

that one seems kinda bad for prot

[fringe marten]

I thought the new changes to venthyr made it pretty solid?

IE after tomorrow

[strong forum]

It's the only covenant that actually makes you lose rage

Whereas all other covs make you gain rage through 1 way or another

But it's still alright

[short kiln]

not to mention that Venthyr soulbinds are kinda meh

[strong forum]

It's alright, but overall quite a dps loss in muh+

[steady slate]

3 out of 4 covenants are pretty decent for the specs and content i play, so i'll count that a big success for blizzard

[fringe marten]

Plus..as var as necro vs other choices go. It's way more than banner

Fleshcraft is cool but you have to channel it..that has the potential to be a big no no in a lot of situations. Then you don't have a 20% heal (almost as good as lock rock, better than heal pot) that has effect cures tied into it; that's amazing. The other option is you can blink and move fast all over the place..that's amazing.

Even venthyr..has a blink basically...so it has the mobility over necro. And it matters..being able to move somewhere fast is a big deal in a lot of content.

[prisma bear]

you can move while chanelling it with emeni, which is the best one

and its not the 40% heal its 20% damage reduce

which scales way harder than phial or anything else

[chrome falcon]

20% damage reduction when you're pulling a big fortified pack is real big

[stark sage]

necro signature is very good, main thing you lose out compared to kyr is the self dispel/bleed immune

[fringe marten]

ok; so now you're still channeling..IE not pushing other globals...getting a nice damage reduction, then a shield...then it goes away..how long does it take to come back? (again it's good..but it's the whole kit we're looking at..not just 1 ability)

in M+..do you need to channel a defensive, or do you need to burst dps to get threat?

[stark sage]

i mean yeah its not ideal to channel if you are going to lapse block or something, but tbh necro signature is like top 2 imo

[fringe marten]

in raid..we don't need to be tankier, we honestly just need more damage and mobility.

Sure if I could have it without the banner attatched to it..is the issue.

Like..if I could have it, and phial? hmm..ok

but that's not how it works; you have to choose a kit.

[prisma bear]

whats your io bro

[stark sage]

banner is just for overall raid dps, there's not much else to it

[fringe marten]

I don't even know; I know I've done 20's on time in season 1

[stark sage]

being shoe horned for pure raid dps is not the smartest play

[fringe marten]

I stopped caring about IO like 5 months ago

[tardy osprey]

Now if I could have Spear of bastion + Fleshcraft = win

[fringe marten]

when I started raid logging.

[prisma bear]

the way youre talking about it i dont think youve been hit by an ability that scales higher and higher to infinity yet

[stark sage]

i think i'd still pick phial tbf, clearing bleeds is big

[fringe marten]

Right; but that's the entire point...we have to choose a kit; a combination of abilities that suits the content we do best.

Avram..yeah; I have...which is why we have our base ability kit for that; it's called shield wall.

[tardy osprey]

Just be a Dwarf 😉

[fringe marten]

Avram thinks I haven't done all the content this game has and it's strongest..I have. There's a reason I agree with the concensus of players who do the same thing.

(I am a dwarf...having fire blood and phial...I just can't lose that man)

[stark sage]

i mean the point is, necro is viable enough to be played. and in its designated niche its the best performing
there's no ifs ands or buts. for a pure raid dps throughput view, necro is the strongest

but its all the other little bits that you lose out on, snap aoe burst and threat. utility of phial. overall M+ usefulness etc

[sick sentinel]

[stark sage]

and on top of it, in order to get the most out of necro you have to be extra coordinated, which is just asking for a fuckup

[silk cloud]

how is the state of prot with NF against kyr? just switching to prot and any guide on yt is a bit older and doesnt considerate the new legos / souldbind trees

[prisma bear]

i dont want everyone to think its the best i dont understand why new people that come to this discord are told never to go it or its not a serious choice if they might enjoy it because its awesome

[jagged pier]

And your dropping reprisal @stark sage kind of the reason prot if very steong right now

[fringe marten]

Kyrian Vs Nightfae still seems to be the major choice.

[tardy osprey]

check the wowhead guide, it's pretty good

[stark sage]

i think kyr will be better than NF in basically every way apart from losing the knockdown CC

[fickle shadow]

In defence of Necrolord, the transmog is absolutely badass

[stark sage]

but its close

[silk cloud]

i like the spear on kyrian but i also like korayn on fury

[tardy osprey]

this is the reason to go NL, and the bug mount

[fringe marten]

Avram because at THIS MOMENT everyone is debating what is going to be the BEST CHOICE ..TOMORROW. Not "this is pretty fun" that's why the discord has WAY more people than normal.

[stark sage]

i think korayn isnt going to be as busted, it still has FS but its new traits aren't that impressive
i think you run kyr with mikanikos on fury for m+ in 9.1

[fringe marten]

Honestly If I could get their xmog...I'd go necro JUST for that.

[jagged pier]

Did any of us ever say dont play necro?? 🤔

[fickle shadow]

[jagged pier]

I think we just said we wouldnt play it

[sick sentinel]

hes saying its not the best choice are you deaf

[silk cloud]

kyrian is going to be good on arms too i believe and all my other alts are mostly NF and i cant see that shit anymore lol

[prisma bear]

yes @jagged pier

[stark sage]

most warriors are going to be either kyr or venth next patch, it just makes the most sense

[tardy osprey]

If I could get Necro mog + mount and still use Spear, I would be happy.
but I refuse to play with out Spear, it's too useful/fun

[fringe marten]

Cozy; earlier when it was stated what would probably be the best choices going forward; avram spent a long time defending why necrolord was 'better'. you may have missed that.

[jagged pier]

I think he mis read i said it was the biggest dps increase

But u loose alot because u have to go glory

Like i never said dont play necro

Ive never said dont play necro

[fringe marten]

And I even stated the covenant balance was better than I ever thought; so any choice was actually pretty good..but there's always going to be a 'best' numerically.

[silk cloud]

is venth any viable as a tank?

[sick sentinel]

it is better

[stark sage]

in raids, yes
in m+ no

[jagged pier]

For raid dps alone yer

Everything else no

[silk cloud]

ah alright

[jagged pier]

If u go necro u have to take glory

And u loose reprisal

Where alot of our power comes from

[stark sage]

venth is in a super awkward spot atm for warrior
its the go to raid choice for fury, but in general is the worst pick for arms PVE and prot pve

[steady slate]

i thought it was good for arms pve

[fringe marten]

And at what point is the glory leggo available and all the soulbinds to maximize it? And will it take coordination/effort from yourself and other players to utilize it?

[stark sage]

no

arms had baseline execute buffed, and not condemn

[jagged pier]

48 renown

[silk cloud]

yeah, i dont want to venth atall besides fantasy and raid dmg, but i do play more m+ weekly than raid so its kinda a hard choice

[jagged pier]

As nome said

[steady slate]

is this a new thing?

[stark sage]

relatively, like a few months ago when arms had a tuning buff

that buffed everything but venth

[steady slate]

ok. i guess i wasn't paying attention. i've been kyrian for a while now

[stark sage]

arms will want to go kyr most likely

NF for raid

but kyr seems more universal

[fringe marten]

It's definitely possible I just don't see many guilds who are going to be aggressively parsing have a warrior tank; and be willing to force coordination on that for a dps gain. I'm sure someone like Melt might do it; but I don't think they run a warrior tank?

[steady slate]

kyrian seems more flexible. i like it for prot raiding/m+ and for arms raid/m+/pvp

[silk cloud]

do we take the kyrian lego as a prot or still the shieldblock on charge?

[strong forum]

Reprisal

[jagged pier]

Reprisal

[fringe marten]

Luck; that is reprisal..and you'll still be using that.

[silk cloud]

ok 😄

[jagged pier]

The only necro swap out reprisal for glory in raid and nowhere else

[silk cloud]

ty

🙂

[steady slate]

will we have to recraft it if it's on legs?

[jagged pier]

No

[steady slate]

yay!

[fringe marten]

The best way to pull that off would be to level another warrior; bring him in just for fights where you can utilize that..then go back to your 'main' warrior.

Which isn't a crazy idea; we used to have a paladin..who had 3 paladins just for that type of stuff.

[prisma bear]

am i crazy earlier for saying prot is the best raid tank? we were in world first and only got buffed since then and havoc got a lot better which makes vengeance slightly worse

seems clear to me

[silk cloud]

world first only for buff so they dont have to take a dps warri i believe 😄

[jagged pier]

U said from your persecptive which is opion based

[stark sage]

feel like every tank has potential to rock it in WF

[fringe marten]

Prot has been a great raid tank all of shadowlands..it's only M+ where we suffered a bit and the reprisal legendary helped close that gap.

[prisma bear]

they did have warrior dps on echo AND limit @silk cloud

[jagged pier]

Others will say another tank is better

[stark sage]

tanks are just all very close atm

[silk cloud]

yea but i believe they switched some on stone legion, but prot seems great this patch

[stark sage]

vengeance and protwar sort of depend on our dps counterparts

[prisma bear]

the qualifications for my statement arent opinion based

2 facts

[stark sage]

i wouldnt be surprised to see any combination of tanks in wf

[fringe marten]

Luck that's not true; max said "if you're taking a tank just for a buff you're doing it wrong' they had a warrior tank because warriors are a very good raid tank, and bring both battle shout and rally cry. Rally cry is a HUGE raid CD.

[stark sage]

its not the only reason to bring a tank, but if you're bringing a dps for the buff already, you lose a little bit of that class's potential

and when tanks are this close, that could be enough reason to not bring venge or protw

[fringe marten]

For damage reduction and overall stability only a bear is better I think..the only thing is it's on the player to maintain shield block effectively. A poorly played warrior is trash..a poorly played bear is still tough.

[stark sage]

bear feels the strongest to me, brew is always kind of a pocket fuck you pick for WF
protw certainly has a place bringing rally and strong durability
protp brings fukin damage, but is the flimsiest
DK has AMZ and grips, but still a little flimsy

[fringe marten]

oh you can throw literally any 2 tanks into raid and they can clear the whole thing..minus mythic sire. ..if you have like..2 crusaders without shadowstep/etc tanking sire you'd have to have like ? 4 warlocks or something.

[stark sage]

i mean i think you can bring any 2 to WF race

[jagged pier]

You can

There isnt a best tank

[stark sage]

like more so compared to previous tiers

[jagged pier]

It just whats best for your raid comp really

[fringe marten]

For RAIDING SPECIFICALLY tank balance has been pretty good since like..late legion.

[stark sage]

if i were trying to craft a fantasy allstar comp i think i'd go with protw and brewm

[stark sage]

true, but this next tier looks especially close

[jagged pier]

Which is what we have

[fringe marten]

I can't think of a tank class that when played competently couldn't get through every mythic raid fight.

[jagged pier]

Well BDK on SLG

[tardy osprey]

I would agree, but Bear just seems super tanky

[fringe marten]

We'll have the same thing we'd have since legion...warrior/druid

[stark sage]

you only need to be tanky enough, i think brew and protw are both tanky enough, and bring a bit more utility

[fringe marten]

Bear has always been super tanky; it's literally been it's identity forever.

My only complaint is that; they are super tanky and do MORE dps than we do (right now..not sure about 9.1)

[stark sage]

i'd rather have an extra rally

[proud carbon]

bear has probably the worst utility of any tank though, so still has pretty glaring drawbacks

[honest plinth]

are you sure about prot pala?

[fringe marten]

As we were progressing I was looking at meters and my b ear was out dps'ing me..I was like "ok I must be doing something wrong, maybe wrong soul bind? lemme look into this.." nope, bears do more damage because they can FKN convoke, on top of having ok damage from burr's etc.

[jagged pier]

If u dont need tank survivability paladin is great as it brings loads of dos

[tardy osprey]

I thought all tanks, maybe minus BDK all do close to the same damage overall, with Pally a little higher

[fringe marten]

zenji..not even CLOSE

[honest plinth]

i undersand how it works

[lunar plover]

Echo ran VDH/BRM for WFR.

[fringe marten]

look at top logs for fights, then look at different tanks doing it.

[sweet summit]

scott and/or lightee could definitely make prot pala work

[stark sage]

they bring the most dps by a large margin, and they have some unique utility
the flimsyness is something you can work around. definitley WF viable

[honest plinth]

but cmon its WF you need tank to actually tank

[fringe marten]

the difference between paladin, druid, warrior...it's like 15 to 20% each class down

[jagged pier]

You'd be suprised

[honest plinth]

yes thats why they are in speed runs

[tardy osprey]

you talking raids or M+?

[fringe marten]

like..if we do 5k in a fight and it's pretty solid. a prot paladin could do 7 or more.

Raids.

mythic raids.

[tardy osprey]

oh I was thinking about M+, my bad, should have read context better

[fringe marten]

OHh....yeah I was talkin' about mythic raid sorry.

[jagged pier]

Weve been talking about raid for a while

Kek

[fringe marten]

Yeah I think in M+ it's much smaller gaps but prot pal still highest damage tank. I think if we can use Seismic, it might close up that gap?

[stark sage]

bear still has uncapped aoe right

[tardy osprey]

I think tank dps in M+ is all about how you pull

[fringe marten]

Of course; but I mean 'all things equal' type of comparison.

[tardy osprey]

like Bears can do 1 big ass pull ever ~ 3 minutes

[fringe marten]

Same pulls, same comp..same speed of dungeon.

[tardy osprey]

DH is like 1 pull per min

[tardy osprey]

some tanks are better for different comps tho

[fringe marten]

Paladins just do more damage..that's always been a bit of their identity. the 'avenging' wrath of justice..etc. Warrior 'should' be the dps tank, and we were in BFA...but really we're just the 'reduces physical hits the most' tank.

[honest plinth]

druids are n2 tank in terms of damage

[fringe marten]

I know coba, exactly what I was saying.

Pala/druid/war~DH

[crystal dirge]

u might think prot pal is highest damage but take into consideration the fact that dead tank does no dmg

[fringe marten]

If you die in a raid fight you did a mechanic wrong; or you're healers are running around dying doing mechanics wrong.

[sweet summit]

thrash is uncapped, yeah

[honest plinth]

but thats in raid

[sweet summit]

no stupid revenge target cap thing either

[honest plinth]

m+ is different story

[stark sage]

druid main character class

[fringe marten]

Right; and all i've been talking about is raid for a while..M+ is a whole other ball of wax. (and druids are still great in M+ too)

[strong forum]

Imagine being the only tank that's absolutely softcapped to 5

[fringe marten]

😦

[stark sage]

i think druid is the safest pick for most guilds, and it wouldnt surprise me to see on in WF, but i have hope for brown brothers

[fringe marten]

EXCEPT RAVAGER...woo.. extreme BMX tricks~

[honest plinth]

i cant play n m+ as bear without korayn. coz of threat issues

[safe thistle]

dh soul cleave is capped

[honest plinth]

and i never had such a problem on prot

[tardy osprey]

isn't Dragon Roar soft capped at 20?

[sweet summit]

:)

[crystal dirge]

oh sorry i didnt read that u were talking about raid

hahah

[sweet summit]

oh boy

[honest plinth]

dr is meta?

[sweet summit]

dragon roar is square root scaling

[fringe marten]

Droar..the ability that gets way worse after 1 t arget?

[sweet summit]

and does fuckall damage to a 4th target

does good damage on 1-2 targets

[tardy osprey]

Shockwave uncapped

8% AP per mob yo

[fringe marten]

We need to talk about some REAL shit though. SERIOUSLY real shit... I think the KFC chicken sandwich might be better than popeyes. ...I'm about to go get some.

[jagged pier]

[safe thistle]

the question would be more, why would you want dragon roar atm

[fringe marten]

Droar I think I used for sludgefist? and then went back to demo shout because I think the burst was better during pillars?

Droar is in a sad place right now.

[proud carbon]

I used droar on M Sire 😛

[fringe marten]

I've been using standard demo shout since you can cleave sire/sword.

and the adds in p2.

sire is just about living through the transitions..and then having everyone not losing their minds in p3.

[proud carbon]

aye, I would have but was primary tank on remo and my healers were struggling - didn't want to prio using a defensive for offensive timing

[safe thistle]

sir as kyrian is pretty easier thnx for phial

[fringe marten]

fair enough; but then run BSC. I think a lot of people ran reprisal so they're probably using BSC anyway.

[proud carbon]

bsc has 0 defensive value, droar gives rage 🙂

[safe thistle]

BSC in m+ and booming voice in raid

[proud carbon]

and is better dam in p3

[fringe marten]

Phial helps but it's realy just living through the 'alone' times when you leap away...and then surviving p3 when he's in full diesel mode.

[pulsar prawn]

Hey guys, a noob question from a new warrior tank - my friend convinced me to go Necrolord (and I'm not overly keen on it)...would you change into Kyrian?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=321507/touch-of-the-magi

this is the one you were thinking of that does AOE

[safe thistle]

@pulsar prawn yes i did the same necro first then now kyrian

necro is a buff bot but your dmg sucks ass and when your alone or with stupid pugs its worthless

[strong forum]

I personally would because kyrian is much much easier to play

[pulsar prawn]

Yea that is true, might have to change my warrior. Thank you for the swift response 🙂

[honest plinth]

man dont be a simp you are fuckin alpha

[fringe marten]

This may help some people btw if they're using multiple keys for it.

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Demoralizing Shout
/cast [talent:3/3] Dragon Roar
/cast [talent:3/1] Demoralizing Shout
/cast [talent:3/2] Demoralizing Shout
--/use Sapphire of Brilliance
--/use Potion of Spectral Strength
--/cast Fireblood
--/use 13

this is my demo shout key

[jagged pier]

Dont say that Nome thats telling people not to play necro

[fringe marten]

the sapphire/pot/fireblood etc..I just take the -- off if I want to cast that with the shout or droar

but that macro will take care of droar, or demo shout (defensively only) in 1 key with just a shift mod, depending on what you have talented.

the other stuff that is recursed with -- is just to speed macro if I'm doing M+ or whatever and I wanna pot with shout

(sapphire of brilliance comes from the crown from BFA, if I get it for the day I use it while we prog as my prepot)

[safe thistle]

we should make a weird spec week all going in m+ with like war machine rumbling earth dragonroar menace never surrender unstoppable force and bolster

[fringe marten]

I think I had to change the macro once because of torghast having multiple abilities..but it works well now.

War machine in torghast is bae.

[safe thistle]

i like heroic leap legendary + anima + the leap dmg

[lucid bough]

renown cap to 2 per week again ?

[fringe marten]

I think torghast will be a thing again now? not sure.

[safe thistle]

i feel like a diablo barbarian leap build

[fringe marten]

It's sad how OP we are in torg, and some classes actually struggle. There is no bad build..you can walk in, hold W key, get any powers..and crush torghast as prot.

[safe thistle]

i run it with a resto shammy.... they do over 70k dps

im just there to keep shit off him

[fringe marten]

atm I just rush to the floor boss, kill it..get the power..rush to next until the end and finish it. (on weekly wings)

[safe thistle]

guys go cut your grass tomorrow etc.... cause you wont be able to play and it will done !!! 😛

[fringe marten]

like any major patch it won't be up until like noon up to 2pm central.

so yeah, don't wake up early for it.

[safe thistle]

i just plan to log the next day

im waiting to craft my legendary for next patch to get free socket

[fringe marten]

ok..off to get some chicken sandwich I think.

[safe thistle]

chow

[fringe marten]

..literally yes.

If you want the italian hello/goodbye it's ciao.

...prot channel always edukatin'

[strong forum]

opinions are officially illegal

vacate the area

🚔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/452181597924622347.gif?v=1

[sour nova]

What if my opinion is that opinions are illegal?

[fringe marten]

It's the POPO...everyone quick run and get some lunch!

[chilly brook]

Vacate*

Smh EU can't spell

[strong forum]

okay watch this

leave the permissions

[jagged pier]

Mabye I shoudl just sepll ilke htis ????

[strong forum]

you always do that anyway

[jagged pier]

I know

[strong forum]

illiterate fuck

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[stark sage]

god damn it

[strong forum]

😆 👉

[chilly brook]

[carmine prawn]

We can shield block off 1 spike ball on painsmith?

[sweet summit]

[lunar plover]

Am I missing something? Last pin I see is Steve talking about alar

[strong forum]

the reflect guide link

covers blockables and reflectables

regularily updated

[lunar plover]

Many thanks

[carmine prawn]

I saw it in the reflect/block guide, so here to confirm it. Was awe struck

[sly narwhal]

tanknotes.com dead?

[strong forum]

panth is prolly updating

works on my machine?

ah

the guides arnt up

ya prolly updating

[prisma bear]

i said warrior DPS not tank but you are right

[lavish oracle]

Oh man, so many reflectables next raid

[jagged pier]

Cant wait for half of them to go like spell reflecting invera dot

[strong forum]

from reflecting everything to reflecting nothing

The tale of a sad protection warrior.

Written and directed by Blizzard feat. m+ crybabies

[jagged pier]

True

[steady slate]

someone at blizzard hq just doesn't like us having nice things

[chilly brook]

Why do you think I'm playing monk next patch?

[jagged pier]

:o

[strong forum]

cuz youre a bitch

[chilly brook]

Truuuueeee

[strong forum]

also prolly buff slave

[chilly brook]

Nah

We have a MW

[strong forum]

so yes

buff slave

[chilly brook]

I just really loved guard back in WoD

And now it's basically back with CB

Plus I actually get a dps lego

[plush tendon]

WOW; Imagine going from a Chad Spec like Protection Warrior to Brewmaster 🤮

[blazing condor]

Imagine hating other classes when the game is shit eitherway

[chilly brook]

Imagine liking any tank tbh

[shut summit]

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

[ionic fern]

Blockable/Reflectable Sheet by Sense
https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

Seeing Red / Outburst tracker
Seeing Red rage tracker in bar form made by @hazy edge

https://wago.io/F__QONWcp

It accurately reads how much rage you've spend/need to spend until you hit your next outburst proc.

Seeing Red rage tracker in stack form

https://wago.io/7R32j1O83

What should i spend my Dinars on?
Old Warrior's Soul
Reactive Defensive Matrix / Shard of Annhylde's Aegis
Ruined Crest of Lordaeron

What is the best raiding Covenant?
With one Legendary and no Tier set:
Kyrian = Night Fae >= Necrolord >> Venthyr

With two Legendaries and Tier set:
Necrolord > Kyrian = > NF > Venthyr

What is the best Mythic+ Covenant?
With one Legendary and no Tier set:
Kyrian = Night Fae > Necrolord >> Venthyr

With two Legendaries and Tier set:
Necrolord* >= Kyrian = Night Fae >>>>> Venthyr

*Necrolord is arguably harder to get the maximum out of in Mythic+ than Kyrian/NF. When played properly it can absolutely be great but it takes a lot more paying attention to than just throwing a Spear/Ancient Aftershock down and calling it a day.

What is the best Mythic+ Legendary?
Reprisal with your Covenant specific for best overall performance.
Seismic with you Covenant specific for DPS.

What is the best Raiding Legendary?
Reprisal / The Wall + Covenant specific
Depends on the fight.

What slots should i craft..
The Wall - Back
Reprisal - Feet
Unity - Back or Wrists.

[strong forum]

Dyz nuts

[cinder pasture]

[tardy osprey]

so what's the best covenant and legendary in 9.1?

[ionic fern]

[tardy osprey]

lol

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

I can use check the pins again

[tardy osprey]

that question hadn't been asked in at least a hour so I had to

[ionic fern]

That's true.

[strong forum]

Hi how much haste is enough?
And how much vers do I need minimum?

thx!

[jagged pier]

[steady slate]

i understood everything except for the dominion stuff. i haven't read that yet

[ionic fern]

Why is it that if i want to just play a relaxing game of LoL after a long day i have to see this..

[strong forum]

well thats on you

[jagged pier]

Eurgh league

[strong forum]

for playing league

[sweet summit]

@uncut flax

[strong forum]

when i wanna relax i play a̸̓͑m̶͒̏o̶͒̈́g̷̉̈ǔ̷̒s̷̛̏

[fierce field]

I heard in 9.1 crit was king

[ionic fern]

I heard leech was king

[strong forum]

what is this

8.1?

[sweet summit]

avoidance cap>hit cap>expertise cap>defense cap>ilvl>haste

[modern brook]

I'm down for a prot discord among us

[fierce field]

Resiliance imho

[strong forum]

a̸̓͑m̶͒̏o̶͒̈́g̷̉̈ǔ̷̒s̷̛̏ is too tryhard

[ionic fern]

I've never played it but i would be up for it.

[modern brook]

Bro I'll play just mafia

[sweet summit]

same

get me in

amogus

[strong forum]

i actually dont play games when i wanna relax

i just talk about vers instead

[modern brook]

Nom's got that USA blood pressure

[ionic fern]

When i wanna relax i log on my secret Discord account and annoy the SF here with weird questions.

[strong forum]

na but lowkey, how do y'all motivate yourself to play a game to relax

[modern brook]

[modern brook]

Alcohol

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

I should be pressing IP over Shield Block right? @ionic fern

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

I could honestly believe that

[uncut flax]

WHAT HE DID WHAT I SAID

[sweet summit]

YEO

YEP

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

Using advanced data, we determined that you want 9% vers

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Thx king

Man I thought you were gonna do a 200iq move and look up my character and say the amount of vers I have as the perfect vers

But no, you were almost correct though

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

You dont have enough vers

obviously trolling

but dont worry, im also trolling

I have too much vers

[strong forum]

Not enough haste

Too much vers

Not enough crit

2/10 would not m+ with

[plush tendon]

2/10 is pretty generous

ill take it 😄

[ebon geyser]

I thought that's what I did

[blazing condor]

anyone tried m+ ptr after the fellas got buffed?

how bad is it scaling rn?

[ebon geyser]

Also mwahi ty for the cheat sheet

[ionic fern]

That's what we all do secretly. 😄

[ionic fern]

Aren't games meant to be relaxing? 👀

[strong forum]

I rather not do anything than play to relax

Idk must be me

I can only play games when I absolutely want to

Like literally want to

When I have a goal

[ebon geyser]

Pain and punishment is my relaxation

[blazing condor]

as a kid i could fly around org for hours

now i can at least do a few laps around oribos

but no way im just wasting time

[ionic fern]

I mean..WoW currently is the game that i'm NOT playing for relaxation. 😦

[strong forum]

growing up sucks

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

back in school i could play games deep into the night, not giving a fuck about tomorrow

and just play

ever since i finished school its more like "fuck i gotta go to bed now otherwise ill be dead tomorrow"

and that already sets in at 9-10pm

[blazing condor]

for me its just - if i dont have anything to do then whats the point

[strong forum]

well yeah that too

[blazing condor]

then i open and close youtube/twitch for a few hours

and go to bed depressed

[strong forum]

i played like 5hrs of video games in the last 2 weeks total

TOTAL

[strong forum]

literally same

but thats me all day

[ebon geyser]

I remember when I was young and could do 24hr game marathons.....now at midnight bed calls and I'm like yes honey

[strong forum]

i get home from work and i basically just swivel around for 5-8hrs

[strong forum]

same, on SL launch i could only play until 10am, then i was fucking OMEGA dead

but atleast i rushed to 60

[blazing condor]

/ 💟

here my fellas

we will make it

[strong forum]

mr stark... i dont feel so good

[blazing condor]

its because you dont own an air fryer

[ebon geyser]

Me when clock hits 12:01am

[mighty valley]

working from home makes all of this worse

the bad screen and the good screen are the same screen now

[blazing condor]

it all returns to screen

[jagged pier]

literally have to unplug my gameing setup so i dont use it

[chilly brook]

👀

Must be nice to work from home

[jagged pier]

i dont get to do it all the time anymore

but office is closed atm

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile I'm here working at the office

[jagged pier]

well i usually work 3 days in and it will be going to 5 soon

but they filming some corperate vid in there atm

[chilly brook]

Oooh

Shoulda hired me to do it

[jagged pier]

hmmmmmm

not in charge of that

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

tbf im not in charge of anything

[brisk ferry]

Nome I’ve come here to tell you I’m playing prot and you can’t stop me.

[jagged pier]

u may want to @ him

[ripe badge]

Hello, good afternoon, could you tell me which curia is better for the warrior tank for raid and mythical plus?

[jagged pier]

curia?

[ripe badge]

Covenant

[jagged pier]

[crystal nexus]

for some reasons i have ??? in my head. I thout we stack haste as much as possible and then we stack Versa as high as possible and start feel good after hitting 25% haste und 20% versa. Damn troll posts let me question everything i know xD

[jagged pier]

i dont know where u got that from

we kinda only care about as much haste as possible with your highest ilvl

[crystal nexus]

if you scrool a few hours up^^

of course ilvl > all oO that not new

[opaque quest]

First 15 on the char 1 week after dinging 60

Not bad

[strong forum]

Grats

[opaque quest]

barely 2 chest :> thx

[granite nest]

Are we Kyrian boys for 9.1 Raid?

[mighty valley]

if you wanna be boring and optimal, yeah

[granite nest]

That's exactly what I want

[median tulip]

Kyrian has the better defensive utility and smoother Rage generation

[granite nest]

Thank you

[granite nest]

You're implying it's not the mongo raid damage parse option?

[mighty valley]

NF is probably still higher damage? and venthyr might still have the edge on the occasional raw pure single target fight but idk

[vernal hamlet]

which legendary will be used in raid?

[mighty valley]

reprisal

or the wall if you want a simple life

that's less good

[vernal hamlet]

thanks

[ebon sun]

Will the Kyrian legendary be a good offensive choice for ST damage, or is there one better?

[rotund thicket]

how do i search for reflected spells on warcraftlogs?

[lunar plover]

There is a chart in the pins with reflectable spells

[rotund thicket]

i know the chart but i wanted to check how many times i reflected something

[jagged pier]

nah NF and kyrian are simming higher than vnethyr on ST

[mighty valley]

ah well

we're still hotter

[jagged pier]

if we had the SD talent and fury execute maybe maybe

[mighty valley]

why'd they buff regular execute

what a random insult

[jagged pier]

🤷

[median tulip]

Reprisal is probably still at least as good, if not better

[jagged pier]

reprisal is better

[sturdy aspen]

is the banner dps sheet updated anywhere for 9.1?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTjLqrIHHzQdK7fRCLBkY9wG1yhqMnMajeaBzlJ0SQzb8-_tgHQg99iQ1461zA3PaNqE-S32GWYEJXw/pubhtml#

[jagged pier]

its around teh same damage but far more defesinve at teh same time

[jagged pier]

actually less damage

does like slighty more on aoe

but again u lose the shield

[median tulip]

Certainly I'd always run Reprisal for M+

[jagged pier]

good for pvp though

and u should

if your gunna meme in aoe u take seismic is miles infront of the rest

[median tulip]

My intention is to upgrade my Reprisal first, then SoTK for DPS, then Wall, and then look at the Kyrian one

[midnight adder]

which legendary do the good warrior play in raid in 9.1 uwu

[strong forum]

Reprisal

[blazing condor]

wepwisal :3c

[pastel sleet]

I am confused. some of my guildies are talking about legendary sockets and having to remake legendaries.... am i gonna have to start my legendary from scratch again?

[blazing condor]

Reprisal on legs dont need to be remade

Because they dont got that socket

[mighty cairn]

i thought i would regret crafting reprisal on legs because of mythic legs

but jokes on you i never got drops anyway

[pastel sleet]

my reprisal is on boots

[elfin nova]

you should make it on legs

but not because of sockets

because legs are more stats (and sylvanas drops higher ilvl boots)

[pastel sleet]

i understand. i had thunderlords on boots and wanted to be able to swap out them without having to get more gear.

i do not plan on being perfect. taking a chill season. will i have to remake the legendary because of this socket system?

[median tulip]

No

But you should remake it on legs anyway

[empty spindle]

Reprisal really better in raids then the wall ???

[ebon geyser]

is there any addon to clean chat from those wts crap

[sweet summit]

right click -> move to new window

or /leave 2

trade chat is doomed

[sour nova]

I've also had that question about reprisal in raids. I'm new to Prot and I'm seeing mixed info. Is reprisal the preferred choice in raiding prog, and if so, how do you generally play around trying to maximize its value?

[mossy peak]

Shield block is for the constant damage you take while active tanking, shield wall is to mitigate particularly large individual sources of damage

If you are actively tanking for a significant portion of the fight and the movement requirements of the legendary are not unreasonable for the fight, reprisal is likely better

If you need to mitigate specific large hits more frequently or can't really move yourself or the boss freely, the wall might be your choice

Compare Sludgefist to SLG

[sweet summit]

just charge/intervene often

[sour nova]

Okay, that framework makes sense and helps a lot; thank you very much! In an "ideal" reprisal fight, would the goal essentially be to use some sort of movement - whether by foot or leap or whatnot - to get the range to charge at moments when say a) I'm rage starved and main abilities are on CD, and either b1) either about to begin actively tanking, so the Shield Block will get good utility or b2) the boss is unlikely to move dramatically over the next moment?

I recognize that that's overly convoluted in some ways; I'm just coming from healing and really nervous about positioning-related issues particularly in prog. 😅

[mossy peak]

The effect stacks with itself and your casts of shield block, so you should basically be doing it whenever possible keeping intervene and charge on cooldown except where you know you need those abilities for positioning reasons

The minimum range on charge isn't tremendously far and if you're quick about it, you can pretty easily weave in charges even when you are active tanking without causing too big of a boss movement, but also look at things like adds and boss spell casts

If the boss stays put to cast a spell, that's a free charge

[sour nova]

Okay, that all sounds great. Perfect; thank you so much!

[ebon geyser]

use ancient aftershock Everything moves out of it

[muted arch]

is there an update on which gems to use

guessing blood set bonus + the 2 other dmg shards?

[grave vine]

Its on the pins

[muted arch]

noice confirmed

thanks

[obsidian cairn]

72% uptime good for shield block?

got it the last 3 dungeons I have done

[fleet river]

Not bad but room for improvement

[obsidian cairn]

how much is good

or is better than that I thought that was pre decent from what I hear

without running Heavy reprecusions

[lofty widget]

80-85 % if youre running reprisal

[muted arch]

how does next raid look for prot warr

[obsidian cairn]

fark

[muted arch]

running reprisal

[obsidian cairn]

would stats make a difference at all?

[sweet summit]

minimal at most, but haste helps a good bit

and raid looks fine for warr

[unique shale]

guys does it worth to go necro cause team need for m+ while only hunter can benefit from mastery buff ?

[obsidian cairn]

I am pre sure you only go necro for boomy and or mage

[unique shale]

What is the best generic Covenant?
Kyrian = Night Fae > Necrolord >> Venthyr

i am venthyr

[mighty valley]

Same, but like

if you're not pushing mythic raiding fast or going for really high keys

you can do what you want

[unique shale]

so if i wanna push high i go kyrain not necro

cause we missing necro in team

[mighty valley]

the best pick is probably the one that gives you all the dungeon buffs

[unique shale]

hmmm

[mighty valley]

it's not like other classes get literally nothing from mastery

[obsidian cairn]

ik it sounds dumb but if you got a hpal in group you could boost thier healing on a pride

[quiet crane]

@unique shale what level do you play around in keys

[crystal nexus]

Necrolord is a pain to play right. Stick to Kyrian or NightFae, if you want togo M+ and have a premade group (or 1 or 2 player you play regular with) look what cov they use. (so you dont have lets say 5 NF in your group what actually CAN happen right now...)
Man i woud love to c prot get the execute from fury warrior... Ventyr woud go brrrrr xD

[outer dove]

Does The Wall legendary only affect the 5 people in your group in a raid? Or the whole raid?

[mighty valley]

huh?

the wall doesn't do anything to your party

[outer dove]

mb I meant UW

[mighty valley]

Just party

[outer dove]

So the same groups as hymnals and the like

[mighty valley]

Yeah, you + 4 friends

[outer dove]

gotcha, tyvm

[unique shale]

for 9.1 we are trying to get all 18 or 19

[unique shale]

good tip thx

[storm temple]

Was looking at blood dk the other day and they have party buffs with conduit and lego also

basically the old dragon soul set bonuses

[quiet crane]

at that level @unique shale you can even play venthyr if you want

literally dont matter

[frail garnet]

What covenant is looking good for the upcoming patch of 9.1? mainly looking to do mplus, thinking either kyrian or necro

[tardy osprey]

[frail garnet]

okay thank you

[tardy osprey]

😄

[frail garnet]

Feelin like an idiot sandwich for not checking pins first LOL

[tardy osprey]

nah it's awfully common

[ripe peak]

Is wowanalyzer any good for prot to see indicators on which you could improve on?

[main wasp]

i see in the pins the recommended the blood set for prot warrior, is there a read-up on the analysis for their decision? I feel as if the Unholy Set's DMG/AoE outweighs the Blood Set's defensive benefits and ST dmg

[lunar jackal]

To add to that why does icy veins recommend unholy set and the pins recommend blood when they were both written by mwahi lol

[oblique garnet]

Icyveins probably doesnt have the updated version of domination sockets where blizzard heavily nerfed the proc rate

[lunar jackal]

I mean it they guide was updated today and pin was yesterday how's that possible?

[oblique garnet]

Could be that @ionic fern had already written the guide and since its the last day of the old patch it hasnt been changed before it goes public and it still has the old values where UH was better

But idk

[lunar jackal]

aah

could be

[thorny bane]

How viable is it to use banner in SoD? I've read the numbers in the sims, and can imagine a banner on lust/pull with an unholy dk/army, but most of the best target specs are ranged. It seems like it might be difficult, as a practical matter, to target the buff onto the best targets, or that hitting those target might involve some awkward movement and lost dps from the required positioning.

[oblique garnet]

Its not that difficult but reguires coordination

You can basically intervene to drop the banner for range and charge back to boss

[thorny bane]

That's a good point...the 2 ranged targets would have to stack slightly apart from the rest of the ranged.

Ty

[oblique garnet]

If you have ret paladins etc you can also just drop the banner in melee for them and its really strong

[thorny bane]

I am actively trying to persuade our ret paladins to switch...but yeah, they are pretty good targets.

[oblique garnet]

Ret is pretty good melee tbf so theres not that big of an reason for them to switch to something else

[thorny bane]

I agree, but we lack a WW, so the buff would be nice.

[oblique garnet]

no brewmaster?

[thorny bane]

No; well, I have one, but I prefer war and we don't have fury (yet). Too many ele shammies who think there time in the sun has finally come in 9.1...

And too many hunters who need their bow...you'd think blizz would make the legendary-eligible class above average at least.

[oblique garnet]

Hunter is not a real class next patch

Shaman on the other hand 📈

[thorny bane]

I know that...but you try telling them "no boss kill, no bow" and it's in one ear, out the other.

I agree---shaman is looking pretty good. Not best--but pretty good at lots of damage profiles.

[unique shale]

i run a 17 with dh and a hunter and it was pretty fun

[thorny bane]

Maybe best at 1 min burst in high movement.

[unique shale]

i think i won't bother with meta in 9.1 tbh

[oblique garnet]

Its one of the highest consistent ST damage dps in movement and also doesnt lose anything in aoe either

[thorny bane]

Looks that way. I still think a spriest + boomkin set-up will be a bit stronger than several ele shamans, but several ele shamans should be close.

And depending upon movement, might be stronger.

[oblique garnet]

Sp/boomie for sure strong

Ele just kinda exists there

Wouldnt recommend stacking them

[thorny bane]

I wouldn't either, but I don't think they'll hold a raid (unlike...hunters).

*hold a raid back

[tame jasper]

Happy Patchday to our US-Warriors. Waiting for tomorrow to get it too

[oblique garnet]

I mean you can pretty much play whatever to clear hc without running into issues

On mythic you might find some walls

[plush tendon]

not yet, T-Minus 11 hours

[thorny bane]

I think it's more like t-minus 19 hours--looks like extended downtime on servers...oh, and thanks @oblique garnet for your thoughts

[tame jasper]

Oh. You‘re right. It‘s 6 am in 29 here in Germany, but ofc not in us 🤦‍♂️

[opaque quest]

6:56 in the civilized world. Without school shooters

[oblique garnet]

[brittle owl]

well

that was gratuitous

[ionic fern]

It was written pre-nerf. I already pushed the updates.

[brittle owl]

orange man bad is the real answer

[strong forum]

Mwahi just likes to fuck with people

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

Just yesterday he admitted to bullying SF

[brittle owl]

sensible

[valid glacier]

i wonder if the top guilds in the race will be using Warrior tank again?

or will DK /DH with Monk will be the go to

[ionic fern]

The real question is..
"Are the 2 warrior DPS specs solid or trash?"

[strong forum]

Chances are 1/3 for the top guilds to run pwar

👍

[jagged pier]

if they can get glory leggo during prog time then probably

[strong forum]

Idk if you can get 4 renown per week

[jagged pier]

yer i dont think u can

but you never know might be some really hard bosses in there

but i doubt it

[strong forum]

Then it's not gonna happen unless the race is literally going to be over 2 weeks

Did you need 46 or 48

48,right?

[jagged pier]

u said 48 yesterday

basing it off that

[strong forum]

Asking the authorities

Authorities said you actually do get cov leggos for mythic week

[jagged pier]

so a high chance then

[strong forum]

And flying on heroic week

[jagged pier]

[cinder nova]

Well, lads.

I managed to claw into becoming a 2K io andy before the lock.

2031

[ionic fern]

[timid urchin]

Hey guys what cov are you all going for 9.1?

Still maintaining Night fae for general use?

[tame jasper]

Gratz! I dont get into a grp to finifh one lore 19 to get realm 2nd prot 😦

[ionic fern]

I'm going back to Kyrian.

[tame jasper]

With S1 ending today/tomorrow and S2 starting next week. Whts this week m10+ affix? Still Pride, already Torment or just nothing?

[cinder nova]

Why?

[jagged pier]

40 second cd on spear

[cinder nova]

PFFT

WHAT?

Back up.

Explain this to me like I'm a regular in #protection

[jagged pier]

mikanos gives us a 40 second cd on spear in aoe

last soulbind trait

thats pretty much 2 uses of spear for every use of aa

and they have buffed bron

[mossy peak]

mike n ike stonks went significantly up this patch

[jagged pier]

so mik is now 📈

[mossy peak]

not just the bron buffs like the 90->75 listed, but a behavioral thing with what procs it

[cinder nova]

Enough to outdps Niya?

[jagged pier]

never close in m+

[mossy peak]

don't know how impactful the behavior change is for warrior but it was massive for other specs

[cinder nova]

So, wait - NF is still the big pp DPS?

Because it sounds like NF is M+ king still

[jagged pier]

no

if u run mik its the same dps pmuch

[cinder nova]

Really? Fuark.

[jagged pier]

and u probably get more rage now as u have spear twice as much as or nearly twice as much as aa

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...so, is Kyrian also doing thugtastic raid DPS?

Because I know burrs is fucking dumb

And kinda the reason I swapped initially

[jagged pier]

its the second highest in sims

[cinder nova]

Is mik just BIS the whole way through?

[jagged pier]

and tbh im kyrian and i still beat most NFs anyways

no not for ST

[cinder nova]

Still venth for ST?

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

Na

[jagged pier]

never has been

[cinder nova]

Exactly how much DPS do you give up between Kyrian and NF in 9.1?

For raid.

[jagged pier]

~200

but as I said a really good kyrian will do more than an average NF imo

[strong forum]

100

[cinder nova]

Sounds like about what we have now?

[strong forum]

It's only 100 dps unless you run nature's Fury as NF

[cinder nova]

What's is nature's fury?

New conduit?

[jagged pier]

new leggo

so u wont run it

yer i read the sims wrong its like 100 dps

not 200 its 200 with nature fury

[cinder nova]

So you give up ~100 DPS for way more rage and the extra functionality of Kyrian (e.g. vial)

[strong forum]

Si

And thats only ST

In aoe spear gains value now

Cuz of the increased CDR up to 5 targets

[chilly brook]

Fight my 6k non seismic dps

[strong forum]

DW

10k dps pwar mists inc

[chilly brook]

[cinder nova]

So it sounds like most competitive prot warriors will be swapping to Kyrian for the spear increase

Because if it's every 40s or so then it lines up more or less with Rav on pull

So you can just rav throw and spear staple everything into it

[mental scarab]

But AA is so good

[cinder nova]

If I swap back to Kyrian I assume all my shit will be there?

[chilly brook]

Honestly the biggest thing I'd miss from NF is just the knockdowns

Yes

[cinder nova]

Gotta remind myself to empty my anima and sell back

I'll probably hold off on swapping until it looks like balance passes are in the absolute clear.

[mental scarab]

@chilly brook Yea its stupid good

[cinder nova]

The knock down is so huge for caster packs

[mental scarab]

Fuckem casters

[cinder nova]

Will we have a 40s CD in ST too?

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

5sec cdr per target up to 20sec

[strong forum]

NW don't count

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

only 400 dps more and your NF

[strong forum]

That background tells me it's NW

Has to be

[cinder nova]

Looks PF

[strong forum]

6k in PF

Are you insane

[chilly brook]

Brother I didn't have boofs or weapons

[strong forum]

Orbs tho?

[chilly brook]

Prolly it's been too long

By orbs I assume you mean Kyrian

[cinder nova]

🤔 Oh... ew. Does Forgelite Filter put vial on CD?

[chilly brook]

Also NW kinda sucks cuz you lose so much of your overall from 4th boss

[jagged pier]

yus

[cinder nova]

Dunno how I feel about that for some M+

[jagged pier]

then dont take it

[cinder nova]

But P O T E N C Y

[chilly brook]

Anyways bois, I'll see you all next patch

[mental scarab]

Dad joke

[jagged pier]

how you'll be in the monk discord then

🤔

[strong forum]

How often do you realistically use Phial

[cinder nova]

Any good ways to cheese Resilient Plumage?

[chilly brook]

Its not like I'm kicking the warrior into the twisting nether, still gonna be playing him

And as Kyrian no less

Plus I like you guys or something

[jagged pier]

well that sounds wrong

no one likes SFs

[ionic fern]

^

[jagged pier]

[cinder nova]

Wait, we're going Blood gems?

I thought we'd go UH for the primary stat proc

[ionic fern]

UH got nerfed to oblivion,

[cinder nova]

Oh what happened?

[blazing condor]

Every time a new SF is added Mwahi whispers us normal users telling us to be extra mean to them

He called it their initiation

[jagged pier]

no he confirmed yesterday he just logs on his alt discord account and asks annoying questions

[cinder nova]

Any suggestion for keeping Bron from dumpstering keys?

[jagged pier]

bron is big stonks now

comes all the time

actually does damage

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but doesn't he act as a guardian NPC?

Wont he aggro shit?

[jagged pier]

no

he never did

[cinder nova]

He doesn't bodypull?

Oh fuck yeah rad.

[languid juniper]

Bron just goes around pulling every single mobs on the map

[blazing condor]

If u play french servers you think he’s called LeBron?

[languid juniper]

i wish

[cinder nova]

Oh wait fuck will I have to regrind my renown?

All the way from 1?

[languid juniper]

if you've never been kyrian yes

[cinder nova]

I mained Kyrian for the first 100-odd days

[languid juniper]

otherwise you'll start from where you left

you just have an extra quest to join the covenant (2 weekly reset total)

[jagged pier]

i mean tthat happened a while ago

[languid juniper]

cardboard is for small pp dh players

dont forget the 10% melee dmg reduction pog

[blazing condor]

Fuck patch notes what have they ever done for me

[orchid heron]

nothing, those patchers removed the gladiator spec from wod, they can't be good

[strong forum]

To buff your execute (not condemn)

[languid juniper]

i might be able to out dmg my prot pal co-tank

[brittle owl]

no chance panaa boi

[languid juniper]

but, but execute

[brittle owl]

execute

more like

keksecute

[languid juniper]

if only hammer of wrath got nerf

[strong forum]

You shouldn't

If you do, that means the pally sucks

[languid juniper]

i never managed sadly

[brittle owl]

and judge and sotr and ashen and avengers shield

[languid juniper]

but i out dmg my holy pal poggies

[brittle owl]

[languid juniper]

just remove paladin already

zzzz

[brittle owl]

who's gonna being the hammer down tho

[strong forum]

Towelliee

[brittle owl]

chad tank dps energy is required in every expac

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

[languid juniper]

just give prot war execute scaling on dmg taken and missing health from yourself

the low hp tank shenanigans

[brittle owl]

nah

just give glad stance back

[languid juniper]

i wish i knew how it felt back then

imma play wod classic just for gladstance

[jagged pier]

Just give prot fury execute

[languid juniper]

^this

[blazing condor]

Every time you cast shield slam you also cast execute

[pine cypress]

^that would be broke as shit for Venthyr and I want it

[mental scarab]

Revenge make all abilitys do aoe dmg

[blazing condor]

Every ability also casts revenge

Seismic x100

[outer solstice]

I'd vote for baseline AM

for all 3 speccs

[blazing condor]

I remember that was a thing a lot of people wanted in bfa

Am replaces mastery

[slim pier]

Remember bfa prot warr

[orchid frigate]

so good

[languid juniper]

it felt better spamming TC and dumping rage in IP rather than spamming revenge/ip

[bright flax]

I did it fam, finally hit 80% blocked hits in a dungeon

[worthy ibex]

Is best served cold a good talent for leveling? And some lowlvl dungs

[sweet summit]

probably not

you dont have rage while leveling

[strong forum]

For leveling I used dragon roar

Much better since you have barely any dmg to fit inside the BV window

And most of the time during leveling you're fighting 1on1 and it has little hp so DR is pretty nice

[brittle owl]

just 👏 pull 👏 everything 👏

with speedpot

[strong forum]

Speedpots

I miss it

[south yarrow]

current one is so budget

[strong forum]

The budget is 5 speedpots of 150% speed in bfa and earlier vs 1 speedpot of 70% speed

:empty:

[languid juniper]

bring back speedpot and i dont mind going back to play without repriasal

[brittle owl]

all i'm hearing is small dick energy

[mellow bridge]

I wouldnt trade reprisal for anything with the current state of pwarr

[jagged pier]

just get speed on all your gear

[dry spear]

hey peeps. i just want to tank a depth 15 and need a quick setup. venthyr. wanted to take draven with harrow and ashen. lasz row hold you ground. or do i take show of force only with build for war?

[jagged pier]

u dont take harrow

with any spec i believe

[strong forum]

Literally a dead conduit

Ashen is good as venthyr

[dry spear]

so ashen and force with hold your ground? or is draven not the got to?

[strong forum]

Nadija would be the go-to

Draven itself isn't all that useful for us

[jagged pier]

hold your ground would do nothing for me i move to much

[brittle owl]

goddamn zoomers and their spacebars

[jagged pier]

i am very far from a zoomer sir

[lucid pasture]

Bois

Question

For boosting down the line in 9.1 would elysian might be a good choice since its more dmg instead of more survivability?

[jagged pier]

its not more damage

and its no suvivability

[lucid pasture]

Sadgee

[jagged pier]

its far far worse

[lucid pasture]

Ok im gonna go back to sleep

What would a good dps leggo be for boosting as a tank?

[jagged pier]

reprisal

[lucid pasture]

Zzz

[sweet summit]

Seismic for big m+ dam

[ebon geyser]

Almost 60 and I'm kinda freaking out about tanking

[orchid frigate]

hmm wonder what main alt i should go with. druid or shammy 🤔

[brittle owl]

shadow priest

[orchid frigate]

no

[brittle owl]

yes

[orchid frigate]

dont have one at lvl 60 🙂

[brittle owl]

and who's fault is that huh

[orchid frigate]

think i'll go with shaman since then i cant hide behind a tank spec

[strong forum]

Space bar is goat

[brittle owl]

if you're tweaking sure

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/tweek-crazy-gif-14980661

My space bar colourised - 2010

[grizzled forge]

What yall thinking gonna be the strongest tank combo going into chains?

[finite bolt]

i kinda like necrolord new legendary for prot warrior any things to suggest other wise?

[junior igloo]

How much rage do we get from getting hit?

[finite bolt]

alot actualy

from necro

4 rage whein it up or something and every ten rage you spend reduce it cd

by 05

[sweet summit]

Same as normal banner
Glory doesnt extend rage gen part unless changed

[plush tendon]

Yea, but the opportunity cost of losing Reprisal

[finite bolt]

true

[plush tendon]

plus, banner is a bitch to use

[sweet summit]

3 rage per second, 1 second icd

[junior igloo]

ty

[plush tendon]

the lego makes it better in M+

[finite bolt]

it 4?

[plush tendon]

but same story in raid

[jagged pier]

its the biggest raid dps increase even used incorrectly/ not perfectly. but u loose alot of survivability with it

and u would probs run bolster not am