protection

[elfin nova]

There's no change

[shell ingot]

Is it worth waiting until patch drop to craft reprisal? Or cam i okay to craft it now?

[elfin nova]

But for example protpala and brew have had passives that increased stam and armor that weren't visible in game for quite some time, and they're tidying stuff like that up in 9.1

You can make it now

On legs

Just don't make anything in a socket slot

[plush tendon]

worth to wait for free socket 🙂

[elfin nova]

Reprisal doesn't get a socket

[plush tendon]

D:

[elfin nova]

It's not in a socket slot

[plush tendon]

nevermind then, im full of shit

[shell ingot]

So im all good to craft it now then?

and which slot?

[plush tendon]

yea, go ahead

Legs

gotta put on those juicy yoga pants 😛

[ebon geyser]

any recommendations on plater profiles?

[shell ingot]

awesome, cheers bud

[north plover]

thanks for the info!

[plush tendon]

make your own, or go to WAGO and find a profile you like!

its super customizable

[ebon geyser]

first time using this believe it or not lol

[plush tendon]

I used this one https://wago.io/1ZozQnKxj

[ebon geyser]

ty

[plush tendon]

but theres profiles you can try all over the place, and its easy to save profiles to try other ones out

[untold olive]

how much verse should we have?

I feel so squishy playing prot

[plush tendon]

Vers wont solve that

Better play will

[jagged pier]

☝️

might sound harsh but we really dont care about stats

[untold olive]

I mean i blow all CDs and still almost get 1 shot on 17's

[plush tendon]

Thats a gameplay issue

[jagged pier]

then u are doing something wrong

u got logs

[untold olive]

my blood dk is so much more tanky i feel

[jagged pier]

cause i do 19s and 20s with 7-10% vers

[plush tendon]

Log some dungeons, and people here will be more then happy to give you some advice

But vers stacking only becomes important at the VERY top end

[jagged pier]

well

nerf doing 24s with 9%

yer really important

[plush tendon]

well, relevant, not important

[blazing condor]

So 9% is the answer

[plush tendon]

9% seems like a good number

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

The answer is simply: as much vers you can have on items that already have haste

[untold olive]

well im at 8% so that's close lol

[blazing condor]

Is there any stats on how much more value mastery gets in relation to shield block uptime?

[jagged pier]

TLDR log and we can help u

[blazing condor]

Considering with reprisal we get a higher uptime

[jagged pier]

'feely' stuff we cant really comment

[untold olive]

Imy overall hps in dungeons is like 1.4. I feel like thats low

[jagged pier]

hps means nothing

[blazing condor]

We dont heal

We just mitigate a lot of damage

Instead of taking damage then making up for it like other classes we simply just dont take much damage

[jagged pier]

if your trying to play prot like your BDK u not gunna be successful

[plush tendon]

Yea, Prot is like the antithesis to BDK

[untold olive]

yea i try to facetank mobs..maybe i need to kite more

[blazing condor]

Try and log 🙂

[plush tendon]

You shouldnt need to kite with Prot; Prot is a VERY strudy tank. Logs will help you find the answer to whats killing you

my gut is telling me too many spells are going off that should be interrupted

[jagged pier]

low blocked hits and low CPM is my guess

[blazing condor]

High IP

[jagged pier]

@untold olive whats your chars name?? u might have logs without knowing

[blazing condor]

Stalker jakey

[lunar plover]

Is there an uptime % I should be aiming at for Ignore Pain, or just have it up when I know big dam is inc?

[sweet summit]

ignore pain isnt something you want to keep up a % of the time no

its just a defensive rage dump/off gcd rage spender to avoid overcapping

[plush tendon]

Ignore Pain only when you need to; primarily Magic damage, dots, or when you are capping rage and cant Revenge fast enough

[sweet summit]

so mostly just when u know big dam/unblockable dam inc

[jagged pier]

well just so we can have a look i have nothing to do atm pretty bored XD

[lunar plover]

Ok cool, been using it right then

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Not like our BFA days when you were smashing the ignore pain button like it was no ones business

[jagged pier]

bring back legion IP

[sweet summit]

but it was for the same reasons in bfa :p

[jagged pier]

☝️

[plush tendon]

GCD locked cause I was too busy Clapping

[sweet summit]

good times

[lunar plover]

Swapping to pWar for 9.1 and it's my first time with the class. Feels good so far and I've got a decent handle on it I think. Just sorting out the small stuff now

[plush tendon]

never had time to revenge

[blazing condor]

practice makes perfect

[sweet summit]

log 👏 your 👏 runs 👏

[jagged pier]

theres having a handle on the spec, and then theres being very good at it tbh

and all

[jagged pier]

this

[lunar plover]

Yeah been banging keys like no one's business and I'm 9/10 mC.N

I also do typically log my runs

[plush tendon]

logs or it didnt happen

😛

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Is there any ”staple log” so people know what to aim for? Or is there too many variables to have ”one good log”

[sweet summit]

any log of my runs 😎

/s

[untold olive]

@jagged pier Clodoveo-Emerald Dream

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

well there are logs from april

bit out of date

but like i said low blocked hits and low casts

also wrong conduit

but a lot could have changed since then

so get some updated ones

[blazing condor]

I feel like im doing fine in my endeavours but itd be good to know what to aim for

But we’ll see i’ll log once i start playing again

[jagged pier]

this

never done it again

[blazing condor]

Block one hit then kite for the rest of the dg

[jagged pier]

nah thats was a mists

was stood in the whole time

but i still to this day dont know how i did it

[blazing condor]

Yeah thats kinda big

[ruby bolt]

Sorry if this question has been up 10000 times but im currently choosing covenant as prot warr and wondering what will be best for 9.1? Kyrian or Necro? mostly m+ but will clear hc raid aswell

[sweet summit]

same as now

so the cheatsheet is up to date

[ruby bolt]

Where is this so called cheatsheet?

[jagged pier]

[ruby bolt]

Oh thanks!

[sweet summit]

the only thing is kyrian getting closer to night fae in m+ damage

[ruby bolt]

Ait thanks!

[shut ember]

Guys im very new to tanking and ive got a question, how does simming work as a tank? do i only sim dmg and rest i have to check stats n stuff?

[strong forum]

yes

gearing is really simple for tanks

just pick ilvl > haste > vers >crit/mast

and youre good to go

[jagged pier]

well u check tankiness through logs more then anything tbh

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Kyrian for general performance, NF for offensive chads/duel spec DPS, Necrolord for buff bitches and TMOG enthusiasts, Venthyr for.... something :p

Maybe PVP?

[edgy belfry]

venthyr if you want people to laugh at you

[sweet summit]

venthyr if youre stuck dpsing in raid

[plush tendon]

Well, if you are a warrior DPS in raid you can basically go whatever you want. Youll be riding the bench anyways 😛

[sweet summit]

false

fury very good

[strong forum]

na youre buff bot

[plush tendon]

Slowly, but surly, all melee dps will cease to exist and damage dealers will all be ranged

[jagged pier]

Soon tanks with no longer exsist and we all just do damage

[plush tendon]

If it is the will of Ion, so be it

[strong forum]

getting the wod demo warlock treatment

"we actually dont want you to play the spec"

[median tulip]

Demo hasn't been the same since they took Metamorphosis away

[strong forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4u6gn1r4U

just this

[languid juniper]

you mean we will all be paladins ??

[honest plinth]

venthyr paladins. yes

[blazing condor]

You see… when no one is a tank

Everyone is a tank

🛠️

[languid juniper]

5head

[ebon geyser]

any abilities that we should macro together or that we relaistically dont need in our bars?

[plush tendon]

you can macro charge and intervene together

[mellow bridge]

you dont need WW in your bars

at all

[sick sentinel]

hi guys what the leg for M+ ?

[ionic fern]

Hello, Reprisal.

[sick sentinel]

merci

[outer solstice]

I've put @cursor leap on top of the macro with a shift modifier

[strange lintel]

say is it worth to go necrolord lego as a tank. to help simp up them 3 dps longer

[strong forum]

The playstyle is proven to be absolutely ass

But if you run the leggo it can be a decent increase in raid dps if pulled off correctly

[strange lintel]

sounds like alot of effort huh

[strong forum]

I mean just think about it

3 people you have to position properly and line up CDs with

every banner

Now do that in the hectic of a raid fight

[strange lintel]

was thinking more on mythics but yeah

sounds like a pain

[strong forum]

In m+ you don't use the leggo

It's a massive survivability loss to not run reprisal

And in m+ not everybody uses CDs at the same time

So it's also ass to play around who actually gets to use his CDs with banner

And you just sit on banner for a long time aswell like

[inland raft]

When you sit on banner for over a minute only to accident give it to the healer

[blazing condor]

More heals

[plush tendon]

Big Group Defensive Utility

Shoudlve been partywide instead of the two closest

or at least party members within X yards

[strong forum]

Hard to balance that

Rn is balanced because its shit to play around

[plush tendon]

I get it; Banner can be strong if used properly.... Its just frustrating gameplay

[blazing condor]

The only banner i miss playing is the MOP ones

[inland raft]

Member when tanks were tanks?

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-member-gif-20603952

[blazing condor]

MOP Vengeance

[plush tendon]

Though I will say, after playing TBC Prot War, retail tanks feel 10 times better then what tanks 'used' to be like

At least now we think about ways to mitigate damage, whereas in TBC its basically determined by your loadout

[inland raft]

I mean gameply feel is vastly superior cuz better hardware and engine but gotta think in terms of design

Though vanilla/tbc wouldnt be what compare to

At the earliest wrath but more thinking mop when i think of tanking

[plush tendon]

Theres a middle ground somewhere; MoP Vengeance was ridiculous and tanks shouldnt be gods with the capacity to solo carry, but at the same time tanks want to be strong and not be at the mercy of their healer and other party members

[inland raft]

I mean can tune mop idea down while still giving tanks agency

[blazing condor]

I feel like now you can do a lot of shit when youre geared

Ive semi-solod a lot of shit in lower keys

Like 14s

[inland raft]

Currently tanking is “keep your active up and press cds when able to” outside of that not a whole lot in your control which just doesnt feel great but will say its at least a little better then start of expac at least

I wish every tank had something like druid incarn where have a longish cd that can press and just pull at will for its duration

[dense gate]

im being flamed for not using hc throw while charging into a boss, idk if thats the reason monk ripped aggro and died or bc he didnt wanna wait a second. Is that something I should be doing?

[plush tendon]

naw, thats on him. You can charge and taunt

but you basically charge, taunt/SS as soon as you hit the target which will generally hold aggro

[blazing condor]

Monk is stupid

You shouldnt have aggro issues on ST though but you not using HT is not the reason

[plush tendon]

Yea, I mean it would be cool to throw a Axe while charging

but thats on him

[blazing condor]

You can try and pump more dmg the start

Taunt/charge + spear/ravager (before charge) + revenge

Etc

Rav before charge i mean not spear but nvm me

Cant type

[ornate nexus]

mained a fury in sl and now thinking about being a Prot in 9.1. should i Change the covenant now or later?

[plush tendon]

what Cov are you?

[inland raft]

Only time i have ever had st aggro issues is if druid full moon crits literally on pull but thats what taunt is for

[ornate nexus]

NF

[plush tendon]

looks like you ready to pump some Prot damage then 😛

[dense gate]

I'm NF was holding cds for the first slimes, just wasnt sure about that hc throw. Also realised looking at that log that charge did no damage to boss?

so 875 melee hit ripped threat 0.08s before shadowcore oil hit

[ornate nexus]

So i can Stay at NF?

[inland raft]

Nf pumps

[blazing condor]

During the taunt effect all dmg you do gives you a lot of extra threat

[plush tendon]

Yea, NF is a chad Cov for Prot.

[blazing condor]

So make sure you go in with taunt and threat shouldnt be an issue

[inland raft]

No reason to swap unless you need a kyrian for group

[plush tendon]

Or find a WW

[inland raft]

Thats what i did season 1

[plush tendon]

5% extra damage and no longer need to be Kyrian

GG EZ

[blazing condor]

I run double kyrian with a WW

[plush tendon]

The only hard Cov my group has of finding are Necrolords

[dense gate]

You're in luck, rogue is basically mandatory next affix lmao

[ionic fern]

You can fill that as a Protection Warrior also.

[plush tendon]

Our rogue is ass-Venthyr

[dense gate]

weirdchamp

[plush tendon]

I could... but naw

Love the necrolords, but im over banner

My DK can be a my Necrolord toon 🙂

Now that my mage is Venthyr

[ionic fern]

[opal pulsar]

hey guysssssssssssssssssss 😄
when you play tank and you press the left or right button then "straff" do you show your back or its just your 3d model ?

[blazing condor]

You mean running with both mouse buttons?

Oh strafe?

If you strafe it doesnt count as getting hit in the back

So when you kite you ideally want to strafe and run away

Because the hits can still be parried when you strafe unlike when you kite by ”W”-running away

[inland raft]

Do have to be careful not to turn too far though

Backpedal is not a crime to have bound as a tank either i both backpedal and strafe depending what doing

[ebon geyser]

any profession recommendation?

[lofty widget]

engi for CR and mining to fund the mats to make them is what i have

[ebon geyser]

im wondering if enchant is wort it

[ebon geyser]

whats CR

[ionic fern]

Combat res

[ebon geyser]

hmm never leveled a engi since they are always bad, mainly alchy and enchant

[strong forum]

Engi is always good

Just not for money making

But in actual combat prowess engi is only one that actually offers stuff every xpac

[jagged pier]

free invis pot

[blazing condor]

Stonks

[jagged pier]

its pretty good doesnt share cd with dps pot

[blazing condor]

Yep!

Or double invis or something if ever needed

In a coordinated group without rogue

[unique shale]

if dh use hunt at pull and fuel rush after it

how can i hold aggro for that

[strong forum]

Challenging shout

Or spear

[unique shale]

no spear

[strong forum]

Get spear then

Also tell the dh to stop being retarded

Opening with all CDs literally first global is only what dumb dps do

[dense gate]

Any tips to survive first 2 pulls in dos 20? Not used to warr and kinda spooky

[weary torrent]

anyone know how Soulshape works with parrying/dodging etc, do you still mitigate damage whilst shapeshifted?

[mellow bridge]

desyncing the bonestrikes is really useful

[unique shale]

parry other dps kick and don't overslap kicks

[mellow bridge]

huge instant magic nuke that are all sycned up and can easily lead to oneshots

just stun one soldier on pull

and then just rotate CDs and kick stuff

[strong forum]

Kite after SW wears off

You can't tank that pull

[modern brook]

This

[dense gate]

guessing SW the 2nd pack and pray the first doesnt kill me?

[strong forum]

LS + Lust first pack

SW for 2nd pack

Reflect shadowcore, go in with SW, Kite after stuff ran out

Bonestrike is ridiculously overtuned

[mellow bridge]

[dense gate]

kk. got a druid for trees and healer has cardboard should be fine. ty 🙂

[mellow bridge]

that ability is ridiculous

[dense gate]

does bonestrike even have an icd

[strong forum]

Ofc

[mellow bridge]

yeah

[dense gate]

cant see anything on mdt, assumed its just their auto lmao

[mellow bridge]

they do a lot of dmg but you can deal with them if theyre spaced out

getting slapped by 3 at once is what kills you in the first pull

[strong forum]

Which is why after you kited, if you go in again you literally get 1clapped

[dense gate]

makes sense

[strong forum]

If you can desync the mobs, you can survive it I guess

[mellow bridge]

desyncing is rly easy on the first pull

you just stormbolt one of the two down the stairs

as soon as you start the pull

[normal zinc]

Good thing I do it second global

First global is rally

[mellow bridge]

bonestrike is one of the first things the soldiers do when pulling them, so instant stun desyncs them easily

[strong forum]

[mellow bridge]

tbh havoc dh's all deserve their deaths and I say that as someone that plays one a bit for fun

[strong forum]

Blur is a rotational CD

Atleast when I played havoc in Alt keys in bfa

But you also had blade dance

[fast nacelle]

Hey, exist a Ranking of Tanks for 9.1 (raid)?

[snow tusk]

not paly

[strong forum]

No and you won't get one

[covert sparrow]

Icyveins reckons prot is S tier

But take icyveins with a grain of salt

[snow tusk]

IV actually got quite a lot better over the last few years

[covert sparrow]

I suppose I could just say take any pre-raid release tier list with a grain of salt

[fast nacelle]

@covert sparrow so you mean it isnt sure

[strong forum]

You should disregard any kind of list

https://twitter.com/Fleks27/status/1408437820209963010?s=19

Flêks (@Fleks27)

Rejecting tier lists increases your tier list ranking by 2 levels.

Join now!

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[covert sparrow]

Yeah pretty much

[snow tusk]

after all, we'll see what classes will be brought to the race, then missinterpret why they are there and will have rankings based on missinformation which we'll follow for the next 4 months

[covert sparrow]

We all going kyrian prot warrior btw?

[fast nacelle]

Hmm ím Not sure which Kind i Should Play

[covert sparrow]

I'm excited for offspecing arms with the legendary

in pvp

[sweet summit]

kryian is the recommended covenant, ye

[strong forum]

Always been kyrian

Can't go wrong with it

[covert sparrow]

I only ask because I saw Naowh talking about NF for prot

[strong forum]

NF is slightly more dmg

Kyrian gets alot closer to NF dmg in m+ through mikanikos

[ebon sun]

I’m Kyrian because the blue ladies are hot and my spear is pretty.

[covert sparrow]

Fair enough. I'm half expecting mikanikos to get nerfed

Somewhat sad that kyrian isn't the best for raiding on fury/arms

Damn covenants

[strong forum]

You expect balancing?

To covenants?

When NF has been rampantly dominant all of 9.0 because of their ridiculous soulbinds?

Nah fam

[covert sparrow]

Just give me a way to switch without all the hassle and I'll be happy with 99% of situations calling for fae

[potent anvil]

Hey, are there any guides for what shieldblock does? I've some problems understanding it's effect. Rn I'm mitigating around 40% dmg with 24% bloc chance, with shieldblock it's 124% and still 40%dmg mitigation. What does those 124% stand for or what exactly does shieldblock?

[final mist]

Shield Block gives you 100% block chance

So you’re guaranteed to block while it’s active (assuming something that hits you is blockable)

[potent anvil]

Oh yeah, true

[unique shale]

what is kyrain lego ?

[potent anvil]

Does it count b4 armor dmg reduction or with it?

[unique shale]

is it worth crafting it ?

[strong forum]

No

[covert sparrow]

Unless you want to cause people to ragequit in PvP

[unique shale]

i listing XD

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter where in the mitigation chain it is, its multiplicative

All %dmg reduction is multiplicative

And flat dmg reduction like shields etc. are applied after all other mitigations

[potent anvil]

K thanks 🙂

[strong forum]

As the name states, block chance is the chance you have to block an attack

SB increases it by 100% meaning you block all blockable attacks, resulting in reducing them by massive amounts depending on your block value

Block value comes from your shield and shield alone

[median tulip]

Probably worth specifically noting that you mean absorb shields, and that includes Ignore Pain

[strong forum]

Oh yeah

Absorbs

[topaz lintel]

Hi guys , for raid which covenant is best for prot warrior?

[snow tusk]

pins

[ebon geyser]

i might be wrong but i feel u pick cov depending if u gonna do m+ or no

[lucid pasture]

thoughts on making a ravager + spear on mouse macro?

or not worth atall

[snow tusk]

spear giving tons of rage might cause overcap if used at the samer time

[sweet summit]

both on same macro?

or having seperate macros but @cursor

[lucid pasture]

both on same but might have like a modifier maybe?

would that maybe work

[sweet summit]

modifier would be the same as two separate buttons

so that works

[lucid pasture]

its because if i go into raid and spec off of ravager i dont wanna have a black nothing place

ya feel

[sweet summit]

i have my action bars hidden so i dont feel

[lucid pasture]

this is my shit ui right

and you see that big ass R

[sweet summit]

[lucid pasture]

if i go into raid i dont want to have that shown and i dont want to like move my buttons every time

now you should be able to feel

[sweet summit]

i still dont feel

but you do you

[lucid pasture]

would it be possible for you to help me in some kind of way with this magical type of macro?

[sweet summit]

altho i dont recommend having both on the same button without a modifier or something

[lucid pasture]

with modifier 😄

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip Spear of Bastion
/cast [nomodifier] Spear of Bastion
/cast [modifier:shift] Ravager

think that'd work

can change the mod if you'd like

[lucid pasture]

youre the man ❤️

thank you alot!

[sweet summit]

[lucid pasture]

@sweet summit because its already on a shift+c modifier, when i for example say that the modifier is alt would i have to press shift alt and c or only alt c?

[sweet summit]

ok that, i have no idea

i don't use mod macros myself :p

[sharp night]

you'd have to hit shift-alt-c

[graceful finch]

The pinned cheatsheet is for 9.1 ?

[sweet summit]

both

[graceful finch]

ty

[sweet summit]

it just doesn't have the new conduits added, the rest is pretty much up to date as nothing really changes

[inland raft]

you misspelled we all going full necrolord simp erga

[sweet summit]

[empty spindle]

I’ve been a venthyr protection warrior for the most part of 9.0 running both NF and kyrian and I just feel like there is no wrong or right choice for protection covenant in 9.1 ?

I feel like necro lord is the worse ?

[ebon geyser]

i liked kyrian, waiting on hit NF zone while leveling to test it out

[sweet summit]

Venthyr is "the worst one"

[topaz dragon]

Silly question time. When I mained BDK, to general consensus was that you do not open you're vault with Blood specced due to some of the tank loot being trash.
Is this the same for Prott Warr? I get the trinkets are depressing, but going as prott is the only way of getting the 226 potential shield and one hander to drop?

[lofty widget]

until you get shield @ 226 and maybe BSS i would roll prot, after that you can switch to fury (if you still need 1hander) or arms if you dont

[arctic fulcrum]

whats the Necro DPS increase for prot on the raid?

anyone know?

[sweet summit]

<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTjLqrIHHzQdK7fRCLBkY9wG1yhqMnMajeaBzlJ0SQzb8-_tgHQg99iQ1461zA3PaNqE-S32GWYEJXw/pubhtml

the spreadsheet not updated for 9.1 (yet?)

[empty spindle]

I pvp too okay 😭😭😭

[thorny bane]

Well, it looks like it's 229-274 if you can reliably target blue/best performing classes, and most of those are ranged (boomkin, 1 mage spec, spriest, and 2 lock specs). I wonder how realistic that is.

Does anyone know the ilvl for those sims? I imagine the dps increase will decline as ilvls increase due to DR on flat secondary stat bonuses.

[scarlet basin]

Hey lads I am new to Prot Warri. Had a question regarding Reprisal legendary crafting; at CN legs were already reserved for 233, thus, it seemed logical that high-level Prots crafted them for their Feet slot. Since I am crafting them brand new, is there any word on the street regarding high-end Leg slot loot from SoD or not?

[sweet summit]

the sheet is just regular mythic CN gear

[sweet summit]

you craft reprisal on legs :) sylvanas drops high item level boots

[thorny bane]

Thanks, Erga.

[sweet summit]

i think its current bis gear 🤔

[thorny bane]

That would make sense. The file says 9.05.

[scarlet basin]

You are the best, ty!

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

[fading dirge]

Hey just curious if any prot warriors in here are engineers? If so what engineer tinkers you running on your gear? (Especially with the Cardboard nerf)

[sweet summit]

after cardboard assassin nerf ill probably use the knock one from BFA

[fading dirge]

Do you run anything else on other slots or is that really the only impactful one?

[sweet summit]

i guess the parachute on cloak is cool

[oblique garnet]

Nitro boots mby? Idk if they work anymore

[jagged pier]

Nitro works but invis is better

[tame jasper]

Invis belt can fail can it?

[cedar spear]

It can

If it fails you are unable to shroud/invis for 20(?) seconds

[jagged pier]

Yer its not a huge waste it hardly fails and it doesnt share cd woth any otber pot so u can just invis again if it does

[strong forum]

They put potion on CD

[oblique garnet]

Oh well

[empty spindle]

In terms of cov, best to worse ?

[median tulip]

Kyrian and Night Fae are roughly equivalent; NF has slightly more damage output and better mobility, while K has somewhat smoother and more reliable rage generation, an additional defensive cleanse/heal CD and spear tethers for kiting purposes.

V falls behind as it's pure ST damage and only a small defensive component, plus it costs rage.

NL is more complex because of the required coordination.

Overall K=NF > V=NL

[carmine prawn]

how long do you guys think the patch will take?

[strong forum]

Yes

Usually patches are 4-6 months, but everything is up in the air right now

My bet would be q1 2022 for 9.2

[empty spindle]

Pls no

[carmine prawn]

how long will server be down for tomorrow to patch the game?

[strong forum]

I mean 2021 is already halfway done. 9.1 is releasing in a few days. 4-6 months would mean anywhere from November to January for a normal patch cycle 🤷‍♂️

And I doubt they're gonna release yet another raid tier over Christmas

[jagged pier]

^^

[distant kestrel]

Is SB worth to use over IP on casters or nah?

[strong forum]

If you interrupt casters, they usually melee attack

So yes

And if you're not interrupting, you should

[distant kestrel]

I feel like my SB uptime isnt high enough (35%-ish) but I don't really feel i'm in any threat through the whole dungn...except for bosses or big elites or huge pulls where I do try to get 100% uptime

[strong forum]

35% is really low

[distant kestrel]

I think i spam too much revenge for dmg :)

[strong forum]

What levels are you doing, and what dps

Cuz I can't imagine that you don't feel any threat with having low SB uptime

[distant kestrel]

13-14s on my 2nd warr (kirian) dping like 3,5-4k dd

[strong forum]

Ya at those levels you can get away with that SB uptime, but it's not good. Gotta work on that

[jagged pier]

that seems like low dps if your just spamming revengj

[shy tartan]

NF or Kirian for overall content?

[distant kestrel]

"Spamming" more like dumping rage on it when i felt outta danger haha, and im 200it.lvl on dat warr 😅

[strong forum]

Both perfectly fine

[distant kestrel]

Overall as prot or warrior in general? Both r fine tbh

[strong forum]

Whatever your m+ group doesn't have or w/e you prefer

[shy tartan]

so, I use the signet of the Kings legendary (the dps one) with ravager and that one last talent that reduce cd on Avatar and Shield Block and I pump 20k dps on some pulls, how punishing would it be to run like that if I'm Night Fae and I can kite, Is my leggo just a meme? lmfao

[strong forum]

That leggo is a meme as prot

[shy tartan]

I used to main dps but I swapped to tank bc Prot is climbing the ladder

[strong forum]

Prot Ravager doesn't work with it

[shy tartan]

Sure? I've seen my prot casting Recklesness with Ravager and Bladestorms with Avatar lmfao

[strong forum]

Prot Ravager doesn't work with it

[shy tartan]

weird thing

I must be getting myself confused lol

[strong forum]

Since our ravager doesn't replace bladestorm, it doesn't work for us

Arms ravager replaces bladestorm, that's why it works

So you're losing 50% of the power of signet because it only work with avatar. Making it a bad legendary for us.
Its recommended for you to play reprisal instead for that massive increase in surv, and also a good offensive option

[sturdy raven]

Necrolord or nightfae in 9.1 if I'm planning to play fury as well? This would be my backup character for my raid for when our main tank is out and for m+

[strong forum]

NF

[blazing condor]

Nf is great for dual-spec

[pine cypress]

Does bladestorm (when casted through signet) have any defensive value to us other then the rage it (presumably) generates ?

Can we dodge/block/parry while spinnin?

[strong forum]

You can block and parry yes

It generates rage afaik

[arctic meadow]

How much mastery is crit block cap?

[trail brook]

Is there a big diff on prot covenant taking into account dungeon bonuses?

[jagged pier]

u want kyrian as most groups lack kyrian and most tank tak that slot

[trail brook]

Venthyr is decent if ur healer is not venthr?

[jagged pier]

if u dont have a venthyr in your group and u want the buffs

i.e pushing key lvl take it

as tank u fill the spot that the group doesnt have

but venthyr is our worst cov for m+

[trail brook]

Ty

[strong forum]

You mean critblock chance or critblock value

?

[arctic meadow]

chance

[strong forum]

The cap for critblock chance is unreachable

[arctic meadow]

Isn't it like 2k mastery, or does it DR?

[strong forum]

Well stat gains are naturally DR'd now

[arctic meadow]

Yeah thats true

[strong forum]

But you'd need obscene amounts of mastery to get 100% critblock

Like 3.5k or smth

Ya I think 3.5k

[arctic meadow]

I'm getting 34% with 500 mastery atm, but 12% is base

so didnt seem too bad

but with DR yeah

[strong forum]

In bfa you needed like 4.1k mastery

For 100% critblock iirc

[gaunt dawn]

the stat coef is harsher in SL for that

from the K value adjusting with a wider disparity

between SL and BfA

so even without secondary stat DR you'd need more than you did in BfA

then you add that on top

[strong forum]

No wait it was 2.1k mastery

In bfa

4k+ was I think for 100% regular block

[gaunt dawn]

2750 during avatar

dug up some old posts

[strong forum]

Ya and you got like... 1.6k from bom

[gaunt dawn]

but that was during EP

so reduced for Nyalotha

[strong forum]

Yeh

[gaunt dawn]

2.1k sounds about right?

~4200 of BfA mastery for 100% crit block iirc

[torn gulch]

3xBoM was 2.1 k mastery on the highest azerite pieces

as far as i remember

[strong forum]

Idk man

My zoomboom brain can't remember

Dummy high numbers, that's for certain

[torn gulch]

it's actually crazy how much sinergy prot warrior had in the later parts of BFA and especially in 8.3

[strong forum]

It had that synergy always going in bfa, but yes it was good

The gameplay feedback loop was fantastic

Albeit a bit simple

[tulip nimbus]

Pretty curious if Prot warrior gonna beat druid in Tanking, IcyVeins is saying yes, but hmmz

[arctic meadow]

Well prot warrior is a wall atm against auto dmg in raids

[strong forum]

Bear is better

[gaunt dawn]

depends on context

[strong forum]

The tierlists are memes

[gaunt dawn]

raid? yeah, i'd rate warrior above bear

m+? nah

[tulip nimbus]

@gaunt dawn I prefer warrior to,

[arctic meadow]

Depends on dmg profile

[gaunt dawn]

initial damage profiles coming soon™

[arctic meadow]

but vs just hard hitting auto swings war is rly good and has better utility

so I'd agree that in raids war>bear

[gaunt dawn]

tarragrue 👀

[strong forum]

Untankable

Smh

[jagged pier]

[gaunt dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-the-simpsons-cereal-cooking-gif-4555910

tanking sylvanas

colorized 2021

[mellow bridge]

Is tarragrue at all tankable in his enrage or does he just oneshot you anyway through defensives?

[gaunt dawn]

if you manage to live

you're dead the next hit

[fathom nymph]

Hey, do we have a list of damage profile for more bosses other than Tarragrue? 😮

[jagged pier]

getting one shot as a mechanic

[gaunt dawn]

Will all be up on tanknotes once I finish writing/video editing.

[fathom nymph]

Oh great! Thank you so very much for the amazing job 🙂

[strong forum]

Love me pure magic dmg fights

[jagged pier]

not again

i still remember star boi

[gaunt dawn]

little skewed towards magic

[brittle owl]

lmao just block it

[strong forum]

Hah yeah remember how well all tanks deal with magic dmg and dots?

Oh only like 3 tanks deal well with that? Ah fuck em

eyir COCKs

[gilded tendon]

[gaunt dawn]

tbh the chains damage will be lower

for sure

cos we were baiting it

which means i took more than i needed

in reality you wont be doing that unless world first

[mellow bridge]

uhh

that dmg profile looks awful wtf

[languid juniper]

I just woke up to this is now im scarred to go back to sleep

[wet compass]

eh what the fuck is that damage profile

[gaunt dawn]

just reflect 4Head

i can make a really fucked up tarragrue damage profile

(which is also our current mythic strat)

we didnt go all in on it

[languid juniper]

Tarragrue no strat just go ham or go home

[gaunt dawn]

but soulforge heat should be 70%

our strat is for our tanks to be simps

🙂

soak everything

then insta die when p2 hits

[languid juniper]

Yeah i figured

[native shell]

guys I get confused if I change my covenant from nf to kyrian what advantage I get? (except phial)

[languid juniper]

You can have bron, and feel like a warlock with your little pet

[native shell]

does it have better soulbinds?

[wet compass]

For some odd reason I'm less worried about the damage profile of the first boss than the last boss idk

[strong forum]

Mikanikos is closing the gap between NF superiority and Kyrian

Because of his spear conduit

But NF is still gonna be slightly more dmg

[wet compass]

Yeah going to be hard to choose what to go after progging as fury go back to fae or go to kyrian decisions decisions

[strong forum]

But Kyrian will provide the dungeon bonus, has phial and the low CD on spear is gonna be joocy

And yeah, will be really close between NF and Kyrian

[wet compass]

yeah but night fae has the giant aoe knockdown and burrs go brrr for single target 🙂

[jaunty sentinel]

Hello! I wanted to ask how much haste is enough this days as prot?

[jagged pier]

the amount of haste u have with your highest ilvl armour equiped

[strong forum]

The more the merrier

[wet compass]

Never enough haste ever 🙂

[blazing condor]

diminishing returns? Thats just vdh propaganda

[wet compass]

random non warrior question twisting corridors isn't going away in 9.1 right? I got the hunt mount so I never bothered finishing it but don't want to lose out on a number mount if I should be grinding it asap

[oblique garnet]

Show prot bis gear

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

You dont have?

[jagged pier]

no

because bis list doesnt exist anymore

[jaunty sentinel]

Thanks a lot for the answers guys . What about versa how much is the lowest i need ?

[wet compass]

just link all the duelist gear it's almost all haste vers 😛

[oblique garnet]

False

[native shell]

@strong forum ty,gl

[oblique garnet]

Also crit haste > haste vers

[wet compass]

meh crit doesn't do anything against spells but yeah for damage agreed

let us parry spells blizz 😛

[strong forum]

0 is the lowest

[covert sparrow]

I doubt it, haven't seen anything about it posted. On the PTR it's still there, though twisting corridors doesn't benefit from the new torghast talent tree thing

[strong forum]

No it's just dead content

Enjoy!!

[covert sparrow]

How is Prot in twisting corridors anyway? I know Arms becomes immortal through die by the sword, and Fury can outheal with perma enraged regen

[steady slate]

prot is fine

[blazing condor]

We have kinda the same with perma shieldwall and shit

Hard to die but in my experience takes a long time to kill stuff

But i havent done TC for months so idrk

[covert sparrow]

Might suffer in the new Torghast where speed is good

Though to be fair that only really matters if you're going for Adamant Vault stuff

[orchid heron]

speed is good, but if i remember correctly you can also have the max points by taking your time & clearing it all properly

[ancient monolith]

I know that our main stats is haste > versa. What would be our 3rd and 4th?
Crit > Mastery?
or
Mastery > Crit?

I'm asking raid or m+ wise

[timber jasper]

ilvl > strength > haste > versa > crit=mastery

[short kiln]

They took the speed aspect of torghast (streaks) out in their last rework of it in ptr

[blazing condor]

What does crit do defensively for us now again?

If anything

[jagged pier]

parry

[shrewd bronze]

Folks, I'm mostly a DPS player so I apologize if people have asked this 500 times
How are we looking for raid/mythic+ in 9.1 thus far?

[jagged pier]

great

[shrewd bronze]

Really? Oh that's good to hear coming out of the Copium-land that is #arms

lmao

Thanks Jakey

I tend to run my keys as prot anyway so nice to know they're not bad

And I'm going NF for Arms so it's cool that it's the best mythic+ option according to pins

[strong forum]

Kyrian arms is looking really good in 9.1

[shrewd bronze]

I mean yeah but seems to sim less for single target than NF

I mythic raid too so I think NF is a good all-rounder

[ebon geyser]

Morning folks. I have a question I have seen some fancy group plates with what seem to be cds on the side of it is that a addon or a wa

[strong forum]

WA

Nameplate abilities or nameplate cooldowns by nnoggie

1 of the 2 names

[distant crystal]

nameplates or party frames?

[strong forum]

Oh yeah

OmniCD for party frame CDs

The nameplate stuff for nameplate stuff

[mellow bridge]

do you mean your groups cds or enemy mob cds

[distant crystal]

i still use the old wa sets for group cds

[mellow bridge]

which one do you want

[obsidian cairn]

what should my damage breakdown look like ish

[distant crystal]

but omnicd seems to be the current hotness

[mellow bridge]

omnicd has the ease of setup imo

[obsidian cairn]

ik hard to say as it may change but a consistent top 5-7 would be good

[jagged pier]

in what raid m+?

[obsidian cairn]

m+ sry

[strong forum]

Revenge SS spear/melee

[obsidian cairn]

lol spear

I have aa

fury monke

[jagged pier]

lul imagine having aa when spear gunna do the same damage if not more next tier

[obsidian cairn]

"next tier"

still in the current bruda

[jagged pier]

for what 2 days?

then theres no season or tier

then its next

[obsidian cairn]

yeah gotta be meta for those 2

But ty for help

And on that note will arms be same or on par with fury

[strong forum]

That's very much in the air

[obsidian cairn]

And it prolly is as viable atm but will it be decent for fury

Aswell

[strong forum]

But Kyrian arms + kyrian leggo is decent dmg in m+

I saw Dan do 9-10k overalls as kyrian arms

But I haven't seen alot so idk how good or bad stuff is

[obsidian cairn]

Ye I saw some earlier ptr shit in a mists it did hooooge dam

Dos sorry not mists

[chrome falcon]

i am returning to the sweet embrace of plate armour after playing guardian in nathria

is the necrolord banner dream real

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

It's the necrolord nightmare

[ebon geyser]

I tried but mine don't line up at all like the streams or vids I have seen 😩

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ then idk

I don't use it

[short kiln]

is Arms with Kyrian leggo looking better than Kyrian Fury with signet?

[strong forum]

Probably

[ebon geyser]

Hopefully I knock this 2 last zones and get to 60 before Tues. That way I can do the skip for torghast and power level renown

[short kiln]

interesting. So now I have another spec to learn. LOL

[sick sentinel]

kyrian is +25% crit and they can't run away from you now

which i have to imagine is really handy for fury

[chrome falcon]

Wait is necrolord actually bad for mythic raiding

No pls my support tank fantasy... pls....

[sick sentinel]

yeah, sub runs out tomorrow for me anyhow want to see, may return for it may not

[celest glade]

So I'm new to prot and war in general, but is the general gist of surviving as prot to have as much Shield Block and Ignore Pain uptime as possible and use your CD's when you need them?

[distant crystal]

just shieldblock really

[celest glade]

Cool beans

[distant crystal]

dump with IP and rotate the other stuff as needed

ideally you're never getting meleed without SB up

[short kiln]

SB uptime, cycle your CDs and use IP to prevent rage overcapping if you can't revenge

[ebon geyser]

Can u have SB up on CD or no

[keen ivy]

Anyone with experience tanking m+ with venthyr could give me their opinion? Trying to choose a covenant that can cover most areas and leaning towards Venthyr, but I tank for my group of friends so didn't wanted it to be a pain.

[blazing condor]

Venthyr is totally fine. Doesnt really change up playstyle or anything. Venthyr is our ”worst” covenant but in 9.0 rank 1 pwarr played venthyr so

Its really no issue

[tardy osprey]

I haven't used Venthyr for tanking, but Kyrian feels super good in M+, between Spear and Phial is so useful

[blazing condor]

But ideally you’d play kyrian or NF. The differences arent big enough to really matter though

Tanking in m+ as pwarr is 99% playstyle in determening how good you’ll be

[keen ivy]

yeah, I have been tanking on 9.0 with DH, Monk, Paladin and all were Kyrian. Trying to measure if the lack of phial is so crucial

[jagged pier]

well u dont use condemn in anything other than ST

u actually use spear and aa on both

and they are both good for fury and arms

[short kiln]

I feel like playing Venthyr PW is kind of like just not taking a covenant

necro banner is rough to use but at least it has fleshcraft

so it doesn't take AWAY from the class, but it adds very little

[tardy osprey]

the new endline Necrolord Emeni apparently is popping off on AoE pull making Fleshcraft even better

[strong forum]

It's split dmg

So not really "popping"

[jagged pier]

it bad

Nome did the maths

[strong forum]

It's like 10k dmg

With current gear

[keen ivy]

thanks for your takes on it guys.. .I was hoping not to deal with an alt and have all condensed in a single character,

but maybe I will have to proceed with the tank alt and leave my warrior for raiding/pvp.

[plucky rampart]

Silly question here: I am starting to tank in 9.1 M+, mainly PUGs. Is prot warrior a good choice? I enjoy prot warrior and BDk gameplay

[sick sentinel]

necrolord mage is cool in concept but it holds no real power

[strong forum]

Pwar is defo a good choice

Not the most popular, but a good choice. And defo better than bdk

[sick sentinel]

3 minute cd for (base) 20 seconds of spell cleave and i think 20% spell damage

[plucky rampart]

Thank you!

[sick sentinel]

you get to look like a skeleton mage too, they have things that make the duration longer but its just no good overall

[strong forum]

The idea is great but the execution of it is terrible

[sick sentinel]

make it a 2 minute CD with 30-40 second duration, and the cleave is lowered

you get extra FC or mana or some bullshit

[modern brook]

Isn't nl good for arcane

[strong forum]

Kyrian is better

[modern brook]

Wait nvm

I don't care

[sick sentinel]

i doubt it, i played both necro arcane and current kyrian arcane

[strong forum]

Wait how does mikanikos work with arcane kyrian, does radiant spark hit aoe?

[sick sentinel]

kyrian just makes more sense to me, hp potion again with cleanse off gcd that i can summon 3 of any time i want

why would i never chose that?

uhhh, hes only ilvl 190ish, but im loggin on him now

effusive-anima-accelerator, last soulbind for mik, on a mage
Radiant Spark releases a blast of overcharged anima at your target's location, dealing [0.5 * (45 / 100 * max(Attack power, Spell power) * (1 + Versatility)) * 5] Arcane damage split evenly between all targets over 8 sec.

Mage kyrian ability.
Conjure a radiant spark that causes (91.2% of Spell power) Arcane damage instantly, and an additional (49.5% of Spell power) damage over 10 sec.
+10% dmg stacking 4 times from direct spells

[strong forum]

Ah the dmg wave causes the cdr

[rotund thicket]

is there a known bug with General Kaal in Sanguine Dephs where if you hit her with the Spear of Bastion, she never walk to the next part after losing 10% health but instead reset aggro and pulls the whole gauntlet?
happen twice to me now

[edgy geyser]

Anyone know how necrolord banner stacks up with other covenants atm?

[jagged pier]

it behind and u loose defensive value as well

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Astadril

[strong forum]

That happens if you drag her outside of the gauntlet

[sick sentinel]

i have a shitter meme arcane mage

his only job in life is to go into LFR do badly and die

[rotund thicket]

@strong forum we "phased" her right where she spawns at the start of the gauntlet

someone in my group said its my spear that cause the bug

thats why i asked 😄

[jagged pier]

no

it doesnt do that

[strong forum]

Na it's defo not spear

[sick sentinel]

so, let me guess, after u killed the group before bridge, someone dashed ahead and ranged pulled them across bridge

she probably got too far away from spawn point and it all went to shit, would be my assumption

[rotund thicket]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G2YXvd1wkJjM8ztQ/#fight=last&view=replay here is the log - maybe you can tell me what happen D:

at around 32min ~

[dense grove]

Hey guys, how is protec war performing on 9.1?

[prisma bear]

best raid tank and one of the best m+ tanks

[jagged pier]

best raid tank 🤔

thats news to me

where that from?

[blazing condor]

My opinion

😎

[jagged pier]

well i mean thats my opinion as well

but im just wondering if there are facts behind expect bias

because all tanks are bad tbh

[blazing condor]

If all tanks are bad that means all tanks are the best

Or something

[jagged pier]

well true

but usually u know we just say prots great

the moment u say its the best

your probs looking at a tier list

because there isnt really a 'best' tank

as we are basically used to fit buffs

this expansion anyways

previous expansions sure there were some better for progression than others

but now its like oh we need a monk and DH buff cause they bad dps spec

bring em as tanks as all tanks are bad

[blazing condor]

So what youre saying is that pwarr is best?????

[jagged pier]

its also the worst

😉

well no

i mean theres BDK

but i fucking hate that

so im always gunna say its bad

even said it in legion

so im very bias

but anyway back to the point

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

Prot is looking very good in 9.1 for everything

[blazing condor]

Pvp prot

[jagged pier]

no meme, in rbg not that bad

if your good u can hold a point for a very long time

[blazing condor]

true

[jagged pier]

and if your playing tank in arena your inting anyways

[blazing condor]

I had high success in arena too ngl

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

But obviously only up til like 1200 cr lmao

[jagged pier]

that makes sense

[blazing condor]

You can do anything there

[ebon geyser]

Always has been 🔫

[ebon geyser]

This makes me happy

[fierce field]

oh man... Xpiredyogurt you're here too 😄

[ebon geyser]

[prisma bear]

prot warrior was used in world first and we only got stronger in raid

straight buffs since then, and havoc got better so vengeance is -slightly- worse in that respect from donny

[ebon geyser]

I have been waiting since legion to be warrior. No bully. Also I'm in peak just for pet pics

[prisma bear]

we didnt have reprisal or these execute nerfs or banner in nathria

buffs*

pretty easy best from my perspective

[fierce field]

I switched off brew to pwar at 9.0.5... it's very refreshing

Not sure I've opened up/looked at peak in months

[chrome falcon]

Choosing between reprisal and glory is brutal

reprisal has to be better but my guild is gonna want glory for obvious reasons

[jagged pier]

if your necrolord u take glory

and still do less single target damage

and loose suvivability

but if u get the buff on the correct ppl

its slightly better

but honestly its too much work for such a small gain

go NF or kyrian and have a better time

[sour nova]

I love doing less damage and being less survivable all for the sake of a small, absolute mathematical advantage.

[chrome falcon]

^

[sour nova]

That's what we play video games for, right?

[chrome falcon]

That's like my favourite thing

My plan for 9.1 is mythic raiding and +20s so taking the option that requires a lot of co-ordination but is better is probably the plan

But if i get bored i'm just throwin spears and chugging phials

[jagged pier]

i mean its dogshit shit to play and for like all guild outside of like top 50 it wont matter anyways as youll over gear the or be more appropriately gear for the content then that top guild who are actually using it because they need the damage

[frosty ridge]

extra coordination for mythic raid.... hmm... that sounds like a terrible plan

[lime raft]

but the new necro bug mount is 🔥

[jagged pier]

like in m+ u cant take glory its actually gimping yourself

[ebon geyser]

So if me a monkey Brian just wanna do N/H and attempt M+ will reprisal be best

[jagged pier]

u always run reprisal in all content unless your necro where u run glory in raid

and thats it

[frosty ridge]

hey I wouldn't take glory for mythic raid too, that's way too much work(not just for you) for very questionable gain imo

[jagged pier]

well u would

[frosty ridge]

you want to make things simpler in my experience

[jagged pier]

otheriwse your just wasting your covenant

[frosty ridge]

yea just go nf or kyr

[jagged pier]

because its acutally a dps lose to go necro with reprisal like a big one compared to the others

like necro with glory is like ~100dps behind for the warrior thats excluding the 3 ppl u buff

if u take rep with necro

[frosty ridge]

it's like making a strat for a mythic fight - the simpler it is - the more successful it is, you never wanna over-complicate stuff

[jagged pier]

u loose like 300 dps

[stark sage]

if you're trying to get it on specific people is awful, but if you're just trying to hit any old DPS its not that bad
and even buffing 'bad' specs is going to be a net gain
but again, it just makes more sense to play kyr or nf

[jagged pier]

and u only buff like 1 person to compensate for that damage lose

[jagged pier]

☝️

if u are going to try/ get perfect scenario every 2 mins its kind of a waste of the buff tbh

and u may as well go something else

[chrome falcon]

Yeah idk, my raid team has 2 ret palas who always parse orange and they love mastery on a 2 min CD so i'm gonna try necro and see how it feels but

[frosty ridge]

if it worked like priest's IP, when I can just buff someone I choose then maybe it could be fun. the way it actually works seems super un-fun. but that's subjective, maybe someone likes it idk

[chrome falcon]

ancient aftershock seems insane for keys

I really like the idea of banner, i raid lead so i like the idea of being supportive

but if it sucks i won't take it

[tardy osprey]

best reason to go Necro is for that sexy Draka transmog

and the bug mount

[stark sage]

in raid, its going to be pretty good
a little awkward to pull off perfectly, and you'll probably miss phial from time to time
in m+, you're going to hate your life not having the burst aoe

[frosty ridge]

raid banner sounded fun in theory, but the more I looked at how it works - nahh...

[jagged pier]

literally everyone who said that when it was changed in the first place swapped back within 2 weeks

because its ass to play

[chrome falcon]

It really doesn't feel that bad

I track my rets wings and when i see them pop it i have a macro that intervenes them, then i press banner

then i just go back to doing my usual thing

[stark sage]

it feels bad trying to hit the 2 balance druids and no one else when the range is a big clusterfuck

[short kiln]

there's an outside chance that banner will be a huge part of the world first raiding to buff the UHDKs during army but otherwise once gear catches up it will be far less necessary

[chrome falcon]

oh doing it on the rangeds sounds INSANELY horrible

[jagged pier]

i mean hitting the right melees are even worse

[stark sage]

unless you're only running like 3 melee 😏

[jagged pier]

as I said outside of top 50 it looses a lot of value as u dont need the dps

[jagged pier]

true

what if your only running 2 melee though

thats actually inting

[stark sage]

give your cotank that sick mastery 😹

[chrome falcon]

guilds under top 50 still benefit from having more dps...

[jagged pier]

yer but its gunna be like a 400 dps raid gain overall

[fringe marten]

Most of us are going to be doing what..staying Kyrian and running Mikanikos now?

[jagged pier]

yer

[short kiln]

That seems to be the consensus yeah

[jagged pier]

yes but u dont need it as gear would have caught up

[jagged pier]

hes best for ST and m+

[fringe marten]

What's the raid bind then?

same?

[short kiln]

I honestly hope that Bron isn't just dogshit either

[jagged pier]

u would have to ask orange man

hes been simming

[stark sage]

idk how bron is for prot, but bron's been buffed significantly for dps

[fringe marten]

Bron will be dogshit..always dogshit..never have hope for bron, ever..never.

[jagged pier]

dude after the buff

hes 📈

[stark sage]

like 400% increase on some dps specs

[fringe marten]

At the start of the xpac I was hoping bron would actually be cool...then we finally unlocked Mik, I summoned him...and cried myself off of Bnet.

Did they buff him? yeah but relative to the new content is he still going to be giga weak?

[stark sage]

they changed how he procs

so its much more often now

[jagged pier]

hes up alot instead of like once a dungeon

[fringe marten]

..oh? you don't have to build 90 globals?

[stark sage]

and they buffed his damage too i think

[fringe marten]

Oh shit..tell me more daddy?

[jagged pier]

its every damage tick of damage expect dots

so rav will give u 6 stacks for instance

[short kiln]

I mean, I guess the question I'm asking is if him being present actually matters. Him being up every 45s instead of 3 mins matters shit if he still sucks

[fringe marten]

per target? or per ability?

[stark sage]

there's a lot of stuff that can proc it, i think heals count as ticks
status effects maybe? there's a lot of stuff

basically instead of proccing him like maybe twice in a fight, you're gonna see like 6-10

[fringe marten]

Well he was insane dogshit..but I guess now with his higher uptime and buffed potency he's = or still worse than the mastery from pelagos?

[jagged pier]

like arcane mage get 9 stacks from acrane missiles or were on ptr at least

[stark sage]

idk if he'll be the best in ST, because the whole tree kinda focuses on aoe power

[fringe marten]

'cause lemme tell you something..anything that makes me NOT have to chase pelagos orbs in raid fights; I'm all about.

[stark sage]

but in m+, you will be mikanikos

[tardy osprey]

Effusive Anima Accelerator is pretty dope for Mik too

[jagged pier]

i mean @ionic fern said hes simming highest @stark sage, for prot anyways

[stark sage]

[fringe marten]

the no pelagos dream..I'm about that.

[stark sage]

his capstone is fuckin dope too

[stark sage]

is that the capstone? i forgot the name

[short kiln]

it is

[stark sage]

yeah its a lot of fun

[short kiln]

that said, we still using Pelagos until max Mik?

[lunar plover]

What kind of CD are we getting on Spear with Mik?

[jagged pier]

in m+ yer

[short kiln]

45s?

[fringe marten]

So they're adding more tiers to the binds? out of curiosity what is pelagos and kleia's new stuff?

[jagged pier]

40 secs

its what 4 secs upto 5 targets

[lunar plover]

It's no 15 second Elyssian Decree but I'll take it

[jagged pier]

i mean they dont get that

that was changed a long time ago

[lunar plover]

With RD leggo they do

[short kiln]

28 is the number I've been hearing for ED

maybe 23

[lunar plover]

With or without RD?

[short kiln]

with

[fringe marten]

Has the way 'forgelite philter' been changed on mik? that bind is so irritating you almost have to avoid it and lose a potency conduit.

(when <35% hp you auto use phial)

I wonder if Regenerating Materials will actually be worth to save on repairs for raid prog.

[wet compass]

yay ty 🙂

[prisma bear]

its fine to want to make your own numbers big but you are delusional if you think 400 mastery on busted dps classes with their cooldowns on an important phase is worse than tank abilities doing more overall

[fringe marten]

It's not about that avram..it's about making THAT happen.

You're the tank..you off tanking at that point? can you move over to them?

Are they in a clump of 10 people?

is it going to get them?

[ionic fern]

It doesn't anymore.

[fringe marten]

are THEY losing dps by moving out of that group? can they afford to move due to mechanics?

[jagged pier]

[prisma bear]

theres a weakaura that shows you and the non-warriors who is about to get it at all times if you press it. i do it regularly in m+

[ionic fern]

Bladestorm still does tho...

[jagged pier]

🤔

[fringe marten]

Right; but Mythic raiding ..which I'm more concerned with; has much tighter positional contraints.

and you're dealing with 5 people in M+..not 20

[jagged pier]

what if at the time u need to push dps your off soaking somthing

or that person u want to give it to has to move out

iver playing sanctum of pinapples there are a lot of running away and spread mechanics

forcing ppl in all directions

[prisma bear]

you do less impressive stuff in mythic raiding every fight

if something will make you do more damage top players will do it

[fringe marten]

In M+ if your group is vocal about cooldowns, very coordinated and you're quick to get the banner down and they're quick to be in a position where they get the buff..sure it's nice...in mythic raid it's WAY too difficult to get that banner off on people who really benefit at a time they're going to benefit from it.

[jagged pier]

yer but you wont take glory in mythic+

its a huge lose

[fringe marten]

If they're waiting even a second for you to move or drop the banner..or to move over to the banner; already losing damage.

[jagged pier]

u will have like no SB coverage

[fringe marten]

All the top progressive warriors in M+ tried that banner; they all hated it and shifted back. That has to tell you something.

[jagged pier]

like if u have to hold banner for cds or a minute or 1:40mins to use it for the dps push that youll probs make anyway because u arent a top 10 guild you wasting the buff

maybe even losing a use of it in the fight

so the overall dps gain is reduced

[prisma bear]

right now banner isnt imba but with the new leggo it does

[jagged pier]

i mean its an extra 300dps