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#protection
jagged pier
sleek fox
strong forum
Vers is a good stat yes
But it's not better than haste
But gearing is a tiny factor when it comes to survival
stark sage
yeah my gear is pretty much a random assortment of stats
but its my highest ilvl
oblique garnet
limpid pawn
for venthyr prot (sux i know) which would i rather have. theotar or nadija
stark sage
doesnt have to be one shot, just dying to stuff that you couldnt play around
basically not relevant unless you're in the mid 20 key range
since you and your dps can always improve
strong forum
for venthyr prot (sux i know) which would i rather have. theotar or nadija
Nadija
potent anvil
Haste 
kind matrix
wtf
potent anvil
Vers 
potent anvil
blazing condor
Clever use of game mechanics*
strong forum
Na
I am at like 34%
Without full bighaste items
36% is the theoretical max even I think
Maybe 37%
*this patch
strong forum
Itf + anime Don count
oblique garnet
you guys dont have 40% baseline haste?
jagged pier
I got 4.33% leech so, so I'm infinitely tankier than you
true
strong forum
Fury Don count
crimson furnace
That crit and mastery is looking mighty lonely
modern brook
sorry for doubting you des
potent anvil
I'm only missing 1h haste weapon
Oh forgot to gem and enchant haste on one of my rings. 
Highest haste 1h is from mists? Or am I blind 
Oh, I am. Necrotic wake
Definitely can hit like 40% haste pre-ITF. I'm using denathrius helm instead of a heavy haste + socket 226 helm.
hardy siren
10% damage reduction from auto attacks in M+.... is that a good thing or a bad thing for Prot, relative to other tank classes? e.g. is it good because kiting is less of a thing, or a bad thing because Physical is less important?
also, what about Kleia in 9.1 M+ =p ?
outer solstice
I'm only missing 1h haste weapon
you using PvP trinket as well?
potent anvil
Yeah
I don't really use tank trinkets for m+, unless it seems absolutely necessary. I lean towards more stat sticks or dps trinkets.
outer solstice
phial goes brrrrrr
outer solstice
oh I thought u had 37 haste with 33% verse
lol that would be,.... broken? haha
stark sage
98
outer solstice
yeah,...
potent anvil
30 haste + 30 vers, I'd be like...400 ilvl 
patent osprey
nah with like shitty 197 trinket and removing some of my 233 pieces while still having shit gems from dpsing raid, i can get 30/30
patent osprey
i mean there are alot of ways I could have done it, just saying u can do the 30/30 dream
outer solstice
yeah
ionic fern
Only 5.8% leech tho.
Get out of here..smh
glacial olive
Is checking random top100 logs and checking ShieldBlock uptime a good way to judge a good ShieldBlock uptime-% (or what range it should be in), or is that a bad idea
ionic fern
Kinda iffy if you ask me.
-Kill timers
-Strategies
-Uptime on a boss
etc
You can get more or less a generic view tho i guess. 🤷
Are you having issues with some specific encounter?
glacial olive
I suppose I could filter it by active tanking time instead, where kill timers/strategies/uptime shouldnt be a factor
No not having issues, just trying to see what % it's supposed to be
outer solstice
@glacial olive no need for time, you can always check how many autohits were blocked
I'd say you check someone on the top 100 for a mhytic boss and go back to their first kill
glacial olive
ah like block %? yea that makes sense
outer solstice
yeah uptime is meaningless
like if you pop SB on sludge just when he does his stomp you waste it
many bosses in CN cast for quite long durations, learning their patterns help to increase block% massively
we'll see hwo it works in SoD
glacial olive
is % mitigated the stat I want to look at, or does that include IP?
glacial olive
ah thank you
outer solstice
you can easily see hwo I dropped a lot of SBs for executes on that try in the end 😛
outer solstice
yeah, was only hc
outer solstice
yeah you have big downtime on shriek
distant crystal
i thought i was looking at the wrong thing at first
then checked same spot on huntsman and sho nuff
glacial olive
I still see quite a lot of different legendaries on most fights; thought reprisal was supposed to be the new BIS in most cases, or did that not turn out to be the case?
haven't checked up on prot in a while 😄
outer solstice
wall is competitive in raid
glacial olive
fair enough
outer solstice
especially on fights with downtime
outer solstice
also reprisal can be anoying to play
^
as waat said
also AM+wall can get SW down to about 1 minute (with stalwart obviously) which can be very strong depending on the boss
modern brook
Reprisal require you to play around it in raid which can be awkward if you're not comfortable with minimum ranges and stuff
Wall is ungabunga value
terse dragon
Is Sire Denathrius hard to tank on Mythic?
fleet river
"hard" is relative but in general he does a ton of tank damage and there is a ton of movement and positioning and swapping
sweet summit
its one of the harder hitting bosses
fleet river
So it is a technically demanding fight while also requiring a lot of attention on your personal survival
terse dragon
Gotcha, im just wondering. My guilds prot warrior is struggling to survive
But idk, just looks like he's dying a lot to not having SB up during blockable attacks
is Meele the only blockable attack?
on Sire?
glacial olive
Gotcha, im just wondering. My guilds prot warrior is struggling to survive
do you have a rogue and/or warlock, and are they using poison and/or curse?
humble ferry
Whats the reason people craft reprisal boots instead of legs?
rancid ember
cause SLG had 233 legs, but now dom sockets
humble ferry
So boots will still be best reprisal slot in 9.1?
stark sage
depends if there's a higher ilvl slot in the new raid
humble ferry
I actually got 233 slg legs today but idk if its worth to craft boots this late
stark sage
might be worth for early progress, depends on how much gold they are
humble ferry
Gold is no issue for me, shall i just craft boots now then?
stark sage
yeah i would in that case
humble ferry
Oki thanks!
stark sage
maybe hold off and figure out how the sockets work
because that bit is a little vague
humble ferry
Hmm ye maybe i should wait a bit
rancid ember
Yeah I think Legs are going to be a Dom Socket for war if i remember right bout to look it up
rancid ember
Sylv drops boots but by the time you kill Mythic Sylvansa I'm sure you'll have a bunch of Soul Ash laying around anyways
mighty valley
sure but if you're crafting it right now, i don't see an argument for boots
rancid ember
233 SLG's he said =]
mighty valley
gonna be replacing those in the blink of an eye
stark sage
Yeah I think Legs are going to be a Dom Socket for war if i remember right bout ...
dom sockets are head/chest/shoulder/wrist/glove
rancid ember
Yeah kk, short term gains go Boots, otherwise Legs prob the way then
glacial olive
Sylv drops boots but by the time you kill Mythic Sylvansa I'm sure you'll have a...
at the same time, if it's the last boss, for most people it will take a while until you clear that on mythic 😄
oops replied to the wrong comment
stark sage
Yeah kk, short term gains go Boots, otherwise Legs prob the way then
he already has legs, mostly a question of should he make both before going for the rank5/6
rancid ember
I'd wait to craft until 9.1 and get the free socket
humble ferry
If long term is legs then ill just stick to legs
stark sage
yeah legs are long term if slv has boots
but if you need to gear up before downing sylv
the true long term gain would be to go for whatever's the best upgrade for now
rancid ember
I don't think we can craft a R5 until Mythic week right? Since Torgy doesn't release until Norm/Hc Drops
stark sage
yeah its gated
humble ferry
Hmm ill just craft boots now then for hc progress since our guild really wants week 1 curve
rancid ember
Good man
oak lotus
What key level do I need to do to get a 15 next week?
sour nova
New prot warrior (former disc priest swapping because no one wants to tank this tier) just wanting to say hello to everyone!
crystal dirge
can someone tell me why high tier m+ players use Heavy Repercussions over Bolster for big keys? Does reprisal (when used optimally) provide enough blocks that bolster is not needed or?
amber herald
it's that reprisal gives enough shield block uptime that you're likely to always be able to capitalise on shield slam procs when running hr
lofty widget
100 % SB uptime pmuch
crystal dirge
I skipped this tier as pwarr in favor of dh, just picking it up for next tier, Reprisal gameplay will need some time to adjust to
thanks for the answer tho
crystal dirge
how much can you facetank as warrior in higher keys atm? 20-24ish
with such high SB uptime it must be more than dh right?
amber herald
definitely more than DH but I don't really do those keys I cap at 20's
below 20's you want to run AM instead of HR for damage because reprisal gives enough SB uptime as is
HR/ITF build is maximum turtle mode
crystal dirge
coming off of a season where as full versatile warrior I could facetank 26-27s with minimal kiting, playing dh was kind of a pain w the amount of running i had to do 😄
lofty widget
up to 23s i never had an issue facetanking so long as i have SB+some sort of additional DR
amber herald
there's still some kiting
crystal dirge
thanks again! will see if i can convince our rl to let me go warr instead of dh :p
safe thistle
sylvanas drop plate boots so best for sanctum would be plate legs for reprisal
oh wow im late af lol
marsh gate
Is it realistic to just stick to Reprisal in Sanctum? or does it look like there are fights where you really just won't be able to use it? if people even have a good feel for that yet
safe thistle
well you will start the raid overgeared for the content compared to castle though
worthy karma
I’ve got wall and reprisal at 235 just in case one is better than the other
cinder nova
Will S1 M+ be continuing in 9.1's first week or will there be a week of dead time between the drop and S2?
lofty widget
yes, as in you can still get KSM and prideful will still be there
cinder nova
UUUUGH
I don't wanna have to hold my lead for another whole week
Fuck this shit.
Wait
what about this
The season officially ends on patch day, getting achievements can still be done for some dumb reason.
Does raider.io respect official season ends or does it leave it open usually until S2 starts?
sweet summit
^
distant crystal
but idk if blizz had officially ended the season then or not
could you still get like KSM in BFA S4 Post Season?
cinder nova
So a post-season score is a separate score from the primary season score?
sweet summit
ye
thorn timber
Confirming that in 9.1 Boots for Reprisal as I have no intentions doing mythic Syl, and they will not get a gem before or after patch right? So I can make them now safely.
distant crystal
sounds good
cinder nova
I mean, you don't need to do Mythic Sylvanas to not make boots reprisal.
The point of boots reprisal was SLG pants were 233
Unless you absolutely know you'll be doing M Sylv you should be making pants from what it looks.
tender imp
it should be pants either way.
distant crystal
well damn there i go saying sounds good when i don't even know what slots it can be crafted on
shut ember
Wait since when reprisal is the play in castle? appears ive been gone for a long time then
i remember it being Wall or nothing
cinder nova
9.0.5 changed reprisal
Charge/Intervene gives us a ton of extra rage, 4s of shield block, and a Revenge! proc.
Every time.
shut ember
soo i gotta craft reprisal?
distant crystal
cinder nova
If you wanna optimizie.
Slot it in the pants because sylv drops big pp slippers for plate if you do her on M
Even then, pants > boots in stat budget iirc
Even if you don't plan on it, still pants
shut ember
Slot it in the pants because sylv drops big pp slippers for plate if you do her ...
i think ill just get enough ash for a 235 for now and then craft
ive got a bit of catching up gear-wise
clear kestrel
Can any recommend any prot warrs to watch for M+/raid gameplay, the more informative the better, I'm switching over from DPS next tier
shut ember
@patent osprey does some nice POV M+ from time to time 😉
clear kestrel
ty 🙂
shut ember
For raid not sure, maybe try looking for something from Limit/Echo/Method, they did play some prot in Castle
patent osprey
9.1 waiting room
dark lark
9.1 waiting room
😴
crude whale
aww man, you summoned the pika lol = )
mighty cairn
after doing reclear mythic sire has really grown on me as a fight
esp compared to other nathria bosses
desert solstice
what is the speculation for tank trinkets in 9.1
obsidian girder
morning, i got a little embarassing question. will be MT (HC) for the first time since WotLK. Do you guys PrePot with Strength or anything else ?
fringe marten
So how is the season 2 affix gonna' work?
mighty valley
Pre-potting doesn't mean much any more afaik, it just puts it on normal cooldown
fringe marten
Yeah I kinda' hate that change harrow.
I don't see the reason for the change either. Makes consumables more valuable, helps crafters...obviously what they wanted with the legendary system. And sure it's a dps boost for the player base but it's not like being able to pre and second pot sooner if you wanted; was game shattering.
tame jasper
So how is the season 2 affix gonna' work?
There are 4 minibosses in each dungeon. Killing them will grant you an anima power. If not their abilities will jumpt to final boss
sick sentinel
So now we looking at making the legendary on the pants lol?
carmine prawn
yup. reprisal stays on pants since sylvanas drops awesome boots
kindred pine
Toying with the idea of going for a more tanky race for my prot warrior. I like the HM Tauren racial abilities, less so the lack of customization. I like the customization of the Tauren tank, but it does not seem to have the racial set up that HM does.
I know in the long run it won’t change much, but I guess I’m asking, is the HM toolkit worth it?
carmine prawn
vulpera is the master race, from what i heard
but... generally is what you enjoy looking at
carmine prawn
quel-serrar and BT shield looks cool on tauren models. even a 1h looks like a 2h
north iris
I use quel serrar and vanilla rank 14 shield Tauren naturally
chilly brook
Toying with the idea of going for a more tanky race for my prot warrior. I like ...
None of the races are going to save you or make you a huge amount tankier, the only one that has a semi noticeable impact is vulpera and even then you're protecting yourself at your least vulnerable state
worthy karma
Okay so raiders, who is switching to necro? specifically asking for raid here, not m+
worthy karma
hur hur
ionic fern
Jokes aside - it can be a big DPS increase for your group if used correctly.
So if you think you and your raid group can do it- go for it.
worthy karma
yea thats deff the question
ionic fern
I personally won't be going NL.
jagged pier
NL is not worth the effort
worthy karma
how much effort does it take to be used correctly
worthy karma
you +3
worthy karma
using the leggo
jagged pier
your loosing dps going necro as it is
jagged pier
it only matters about buffing 3 ppl
ionic fern
70+ is very-very-very hard to get
And requires a certain talent setup.
Average from testing on a target dummy was ~50
worthy karma
fair
jagged pier
u also loose reprisal going that NL because u wouldnt not run the leggo
worthy karma
what was the specific talent build for it?
jagged pier
so u loose a tone of shield block uptime
worthy karma
jake we're talking raid
worthy karma
youre memeing if you use reprisal in raid
worthy karma
for prog? yes
ionic fern
You do matter - you get the ~~Emeni STR buff.~~
Veterans Repute STR buff. *
jagged pier
Even pet battles
true
ionic fern
youre memeing if you use reprisal in raid
It's not a meme. It's really strong depending on the fights damage patterns and if it allows for slight movement etc.
ionic fern
what was the specific talent build for it?
I found most success with AM/BV/Rav(ItF).
The 70+ duration comes down to if you can get to the second Avatar/BV..it's really iffy and depends a bit on RNG from SS etc.
worthy karma
makes sense
ionic fern
It will be even harder in raid with the movements/mechanics involved.
jagged pier
ionic fern
I logged onto retail yesterday after a while and decided to do a key
+15 SD with 20 deaths and a DPS'ers below me while i was running BV instead of BSC.
Help.
😦
jagged pier
😦
jagged pier
blazing condor
jagged pier
reroll horde mwahi
strong forum
I did a guild run a few months back to help a guildy get KSM and got told I did more dps than every pug
Wtf man
jagged pier
blazing condor
What affixes are there even now?
jagged pier
quaking sanguine
ionic fern
I tired pugging on Horde on my druid.
Was even worse of a horror show.
strong forum
If you don't go above 15 alliance is just as bad as horde
ionic fern
Depends on the PuG's i guess.
😂
The good thing is that Alliance has so few people doing ~20+ keys that you are pretty much set in a group once you get to that area.
jagged pier
thats true i guess
blazing condor
My theory based on nothing but my own reasoning is:
Alliance: fewer players, harder to pug. But better players on average
Horde: many players to choose from but overall on average worse
ionic fern
But once i start playing more seriously again (maybe 9.2????????) i will join Horde.
Plz blizzard.
Fix WoW.
jagged pier
blazing condor
See you in 2 year Mwahi
jagged pier
mwahi going vulp heard it here first
blazing condor
ionic fern
No, Goblin.
jagged pier
even more POG
ionic fern
ROCKETJUMP + REPRISAL.
blazing condor
i would love rocket jump but i would launch myself off of cliffs on the reg
ionic fern
I can't bring myself to play a race that's so furry.
ionic fern
And i still got PTSD from all the times my NE ears clipped through my mog.
...now that i think about it..Goblins also have long ears.
strong forum
And even bigger noses
spiral geode
but six pack
strong forum
👃
ionic fern
Undead it is.
ionic fern
I don't even look at animations. 😦
strong forum
And by now I mean since wod
ionic fern
I'm so far scrolled zoomed out i barely see what i'm doing
ionic fern
ionic fern
👀
Should try to do a dungeon like that.
Upload on youtube and call it "WoW 2 gameplay".
patent osprey
Nope! Best dung I've done is turn off UI thr whole dung and run it.
strong forum
Add some dumb filter
patent osprey
was a Hella fun mists
strong forum
And turn off UI, yea
ionic fern
Nope! Best dung I've done is turn off UI thr whole dung and run it.
Do that + First person.
patent osprey
it was also necrotic
ionic fern
Gogogog
blazing condor
Cant see shit in this mist
strong forum
Add Sound WAs
jagged pier
@patent osprey 
patent osprey
ionic fern
Hah, jokes on you - i don't use SB because IP has numeric values on it and numeric values from tooltips > generic ones.
jagged pier
blazing condor
strong forum
Ip shows up on healing meter
blazing condor
I had a co tank in EP who only tried to log for #1 healing
Only leech gear and only IP
strong forum
jagged pier
blazing condor
He didnt last very long
ionic fern
I had a co tank in EP who only tried to log for #1 healing
My spirit guide.
Playing the real game.
Meanwhile we lame'os are trying for DPS.
strong forum
Seems like he didn't ignore enough pain.
blazing condor
Mostly because he appeared offline and accidentally whispered the GM if they wantes to play CSGO when raid was starting lol
jagged pier
XD
strong forum
Genius
ionic fern
Legend.
My best co-tank was the one who told me to stop DPS'ing because he was losing aggro while doing gray damage with the OG statement of "You're a tank not a DPS".
blazing condor
Chad
blazing condor
Luckily my cotank has the same mindset as i do so theres no issues
Since we wipe so much we only find joy by competing on logs
cinder nova
Bro, I think I've finally hit that peak kinda warrior feel
cinder nova
Imagine having friends
blazing condor
Imagine having friends
cinder nova
Bwomp
blazing condor
strong forum
Imagine wanting friends
blazing condor
Imagine all the people
jagged pier
i had that at the start of the exapnsion then i stop doing keys in like april
that was a better feeling
cinder nova
Is it normal that my entire guild simps for me as the only warrior in raid? 🤔
strong forum
No
blazing condor
They tryna lure you into becoming necro
strong forum
We made fun of all melee players
Especially warriors
Warrior brain is a serious disease
ionic fern
Lets be real.
The only time people whisper tanks is on tuesday evening at 23 for "HEY, I NEED A WEEKLY KEY"
jagged pier
^
cinder nova
Pff
cinder nova
They changed my name to Daddy [Character Name] in the guild discord and took away my permissions to change it back
blazing condor
😳
cinder nova
Do you guys know what ilvl the tazavesh str neck will be at the end of the quest?
Is it 225 or 233
blazing condor
🤷♂️
shell ingot
Does anyone have the graphic for the renown grind?
ionic fern
This thingy?
shell ingot
yeah thats the one, cheers bud
strong forum
Do you guys know what ilvl the tazavesh str neck will be at the end of the quest...
225 if you do hard mode, 233 if you do hardmode deathless
Idk if that applies to the neck aswell
jagged pier
u dont die
ionic fern
That's why you're SF.QUality feedback.
cinder nova
Can you retry the quest or something? 🤔
strong forum
Well... As the same says... Do all of it and don't die.
cinder nova
What even is the steps to get the neck
cinder nova
Is the hardmode difficult enough that I should coordinate or is it a "hard" mode.
ionic fern
First few times it's probably hardmode.
The rest of the expansion it's "hard" mode.
jagged pier
That's why you're SF.QUality feedback.
i dont think u can do hardmode weeek one or u have to do some shenanigans with an alt my guildies were talking about it last night
because u need to loot stuff from the first boss or somthing apprently
🤷
cinder nova
So... what? You get your mates to funnel you the thing and then use it?
ionic fern
jagged pier
So... what? You get your mates to funnel you the thing and then use it?
i dunno i wasnt listening
sick sentinel
hey boys i see a bunch of tanks using some sort of addon or WA that shows them incomming abilities form mobs in a timeline
its not what you'd see in DBM or Wigs its very large and emphasized
anyone know what that could be based on rough discription
bright flax
@sick sentinel could it be... this??
https://wago.io/RaidAbilityTimeline
strong forum
It's just a reskin of BW but I guess if you like the look?
cinder nova
Nom, I've seen an addon that tracks NPC abilities on nameplate
Like, say, the groundskeeper slap from HoA
Any idea what that is?
strong forum
It's also something from nnoggie
Nameplate abilities or nameplate tracker
Smth like that I think
verbal ledge
Since there are no guides in the Pins at all i'd like to ask for a good source to get into warrior tanking (raids + m+). Any good content out there?
ionic fern
#268491842637660160 has both guides, IV an WoWHead.
There are also video guides like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akvh4ZqC2K0
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR2Vy52kpEQ&ab_channel=Plkatv
dark plover
What covenant we look for in raid in 9.1?
jagged pier
any
dark plover
Must be one that’s the best
jagged pier
not really u can play any as prot and be fine none will hold u back
dark plover
jagged pier
im not joking
dark plover
👀
sweet yoke
i prefer kyrian as i get an extra heal XD but from what i see they are all pretty even 😉
jagged pier
look it is kyrian => NF > venthyr > necro but the difference is so small it really doesnt matter they all have ups and downs to them
dark plover
Even Venthyr ?
jagged pier
even venthyr is fine
dark plover
Venthyr was bad for prot before
jagged pier
eh? no?
slender nova
What covenant would you guys go if you were playing prot 85% of the time, but are looking to play fury the other 15% in raid/mplus?
jagged pier
its got a niche which is ST
dark plover
No good prot warrior played Venthyr
jagged pier
u dont use it on 3+ more targets
the top prot in the world on rio at the start of the expanision was venthyr
🤔
dark plover
I mean raider
jagged pier
there were venthyr ones just kyrian was better for more general play
reveez tanked sludge being venthyr so venthyr must be bad right
ionic fern
Kyrian/NF are both solid all around performers in Raids and Mythic+.
Venthyr is a good performer ONLY in ST - the AoE is lacking heavily compared to Kyrian/NF
Necrolord is a solid "buff my allies" option that sacrifices some of your own DPS in order to increase your groups damage and generally requires more "work" than other Covenants.
If you're doing Raids and M+ both there's simply no reason to gimp yourself in AoE for a slight increase in ST damage.
That said you can 100% do high Mythic+ dungeons as any Covenant, including Venthyr.
slender nova
Yeah I think since I'll be playing fury and prot, I'm going to go Kyrian
I can't see the difference being that big, and as I said it'll be prot 85% of the time
dark plover
What about damage mitigation
ionic fern
99% comes from proper play.
inland ferry
will the buffs to Bron impact Prot warriors conv choices you think?
ionic fern
No, we already preferred Kyrian.
And chances are Bron will get nerfed in some way since he's currently doing A LOT of damage.
inland ferry
Personally my pref is NF but was wondering about KY& Bron as the damage output could be one to watch
dark lark
This upcoming tier will be the first time I'm tanking a raid right from the start while "undergeared" (I've mythic raided but usually after I'm fairly geared up from heroic and m+) CDs like demo shout and wall aren't supposed to be for normal melee attacks but for tank busters right? IE Shattering Pain?
inland ferry
have to see how final tuning goes I suppose
ionic fern
Personally my pref is NF but was wondering about KY& Bron as the damage output c...
Mika is currently the highest simming Kyrian bind indeed. I'm still expecting tuning tho.
outer solstice
Mwahi have you see the fancy tool the droods set up?
haven't looked deeply into it yet, but looks fancy at least 😛
ionic fern
Which one?
ionic fern
So...bloodmallet?
outer solstice
yeah but bloodmallet has problems
bloodmallet only shows one dimension
which is problematic if you have the non-dominant covenant
also bloodmallet not running on different patches at once
ionic fern
I'm probably a bit lost since i don't fully understand what it does.
Just sims everything and shows you the results?
And wdym "shows one dimension"?
outer solstice
yeah from the looks of it
bloodmallet gives you one resulting value
all legendaries are weighted for ventyr only
rn
as an example
ionic fern
Isn't that something you can do with just SIMC profiles tho? 👀
I guess it's more user-friendly to show the general population.
outer solstice
yeah you can, but this is a very nice representation
ionic fern
But no, currently Prot Warriors don't have such a tool.
outer solstice
maybe I'll throw some brain against it and look what drops
but probably will be more for fury/arms anyway
just seen you around here xD
ionic fern
Feels something that can be achieved just like Archi is doing with Fury/Arms
Just add a few more profiles and ggwp.
outer solstice
yeah definitely ^^ but I like the way to display it 😛
dusky mica
What is the name of this Tazavesh neck that supposedly has a proc on it?
ionic fern
Passably-Forged Credentials?
dusky mica
Yeah, it's the quest unlocker thing. OK. Cheers.
inland raft
What bloodmallet does is uses a baseline character foe every class and spec in the game, its wildly inaccurate not sure why its still referenced at all when we have raidbots
strong forum
It just shows net values of X things
How much dps a trinket / soulbind is on average
clear trench
Feels something that can be achieved just like Archi is doing with Fury/Arms
What page use to ser that?
Ser*
See*
sweet summit
thats raidbots/simulationcraft screenshots
clear trench
Ok, tnx
last yew
anyone using BMV and HR?
jagged pier
no its kind of pointless out side of high high mythic plus
strong forum
BMW 🚙
sweet summit
toyota corolla
blazing condor
Will Audi Warriors be good next patch?
dreamy rain
if you would rank a car company as a prot warrior convenant, what would be necrolords?
peugeot?
lament scroll
Toyota
blazing condor
That one car you buy from ebay for $1000 and you’ll use to drive your GF to work every day
hollow sun
Fiat
tranquil tiger
Hello
I want to play Prot Warrior, is Kyrian still the best choice with patch 9.1, or should I change something? I would really like to play Necro.
sweet summit
kyrian is still the best choice, but necrolord is fine
unkempt palm
hey all how is kyrian if i want to play prot and fury/arms for mostly m+ ?
maybe do some pug heroic raiding
pretty sure kyrian is the best if i plan to mostly tank pug content m+ and raids and kyrian will still be ok for the dps specs, right?
sweet summit
kyrian is pretty solid for the dps specs in m+
unkempt palm
cool thank you
and using venth for all the specs is not a great idea for prot yeah?
even playing reprisal?
sweet summit
venthyr is only best for fury
i think arms ideally wants to be night fae and prot is kyrian=>night fae
so night fae is a good option too since its great all around for all 3 specs
but also kyrian dungeon buffs, and kyrian being good in m+ for all specs
and yes, youll be playing reprisal regardless of covenant
unkempt palm
ok so for all specs for going up to 20-21 keys, heroic pug raiding and maybe some meme RBGs, kyrian or NF are the best all around?
sweet summit
yeah for sure
unkempt palm
thanks for the info!
ebon sun
I'm trying to find a WA that will show my co-tank's debuffs; normally, my Castle Nathria WA package would show them but since I updated it, it only shows my debuff stacks. Anyone have a suggestion?
Dunno if this is necessarily the right place to ask, would probably be better to ask in #ui-addons-manager -- but it's related to tanking? 🤷
mellow bridge
dumb question, do you have the co-tank WAs installed too? 🤔
sweet summit
ebon sun
Thank you.
ebon sun
dumb question, do you have the co-tank WAs installed too? 🤔
To answer this, I probably did but didn't remember. I haven't played in months.
patent osprey
kryian arms is the play for m+ in 9.1
mellow bridge
You need both WA packs every tier, unless you wanna use some other WA
ebon sun
You need both WA packs every tier, unless you wanna use some other WA
I'm aware, I just forgot. Thank you again!
median tulip
kryian arms is the play for m+ in 9.1
That's interesting. I asked in #general earlier and was told Fury for my offspec.
jagged pier
the new kyrian leggo for arms in m+ is 📈
plush tendon
kryian arms is the play for m+ in 9.1
I thought it was NF?
plush tendon
Im in a shit spot right now; I started the return to Necrolord quest chain like 3 months ago, so if I want to go Kyrian I have to go to Necro first, wait two resets, then be Kyrian 😦
elfin nova
Can you really not abandon the necro one?
Huh
Blizzard 🙂
What if you went venthyr
The switcharoo
mellow bridge
wait you have to complete that and cant just pick up a diff covenant quest?
seems really odd
elfin nova
If you've done the first weekly i know the other covenant npcs in oribos give you dialogue like "I've seen you trying to win the favour of another" or something
I don't know what happens if you don't pick up the second quest though
mellow bridge
now that's some whack shit
hoary thicket
Quick question.. 9.1 covenant?
levelling my NA warrior and IDK if to still go kyrian
arctic bridge
I’m thinking of gearing up my warrior for 9.1. I will mainly be playing prot/fury m+ and fury for raid. Any advice on covenant? I am currently Venthyr
sweet summit
kyrian is and will continue to be the go to covenant even in 9.1
id personally stick to venthyr til you clear the raid
stark sage
I’m thinking of gearing up my warrior for 9.1. I will mainly be playing prot/fur...
the way our covs are balanced, you can kinda play any of the 4 and be viable
but if you want to be super competitive then you'll have to pick the one that excels, so for fury raid dps it'd be venthyr
but if you wanted to excel in m+, then i'd go with kyr or NF
hoary thicket
kyrian is and will continue to be the go to covenant even in 9.1
Thanks 🙂
arctic bridge
the way our covs are balanced, you can kinda play any of the 4 and be viable
but...
Thank you dude.
chilly brook
Venthyr just feels so bad in keys now having been so used to NF
dim token
How do you guys determine when to shield block and when to just IP? Like are there addons/wa that show damage reduced by your shield block
Sometimes it’s not too obvious which one is better
mossy peak
if you have the boss, you want the most shield block uptime possible
during that time
it is way more important than IP
sweet summit
keep shield block up as long as youre taking blockable damage aka literally all the time
ignore pain to spend rage to avoid overcapping or as a defensive rage spender to smooth incoming damage
dim token
So always block first if there’s any sort of melee damage ?
mossy peak
yes, IP is not even really in the running as a priority
it is almost entirely just a rage dump
sweet summit
some bosses, like necrotic wake last boss, casts as an auto attack but its blockable
mossy peak
shield block is the most important thing you can do
dim token
coming from a bdk I gotta learn what’s blockable/reflectable it’s like a whole new game 😢
mossy peak
basically you never trade anything for a shield block, that's your baseline
what you decide between is IP or revenge
with the rage left after your shield blocks
dim token
Alright got it, I always thought IP would be a better choice if the pull is more caster heavy
wise rivet
@dim token there is a pinned msg with a link for all blockable dmg list
dim token
😢
sweet summit
IP is kinda dogshit compared to SB/SW
dim token
I played prot back in legion it was golden
fleet river
Alright got it, I always thought IP would be a better choice if the pull is more...
Nah because interrupts stop all the damage whereas IP stops 50% of it at most, and costs way too much rage
mellow bridge
Alright got it, I always thought IP would be a better choice if the pull is more...
There's nothing wrong with using IP; it just shouldnt be used over SB unless you are fighting literally pure magic damage
which is incredibly rare
with reprisal in M+ you should basically always have the rage to cast both anyway
at that point it just becomes a question of more tankyness (IP) or more dmg (revenge); just choose accordingly
sweet summit
thats the thing, unless youre taking a good amount of unblockable damage like dog bleeds in halls for example, revenge is almost always better
placid river
Damn, Ive been priotizing IP alot lately, makes sense I was feeling squishy
sweet summit
more damage=pull dies faster=less damage taken
mellow bridge
true
I have the feeling that many people overstack on IPs as well
get a proper IP tracker lads and stop wasting rage
mossy peak
once you've tanked enough to have a feel for it, the reality is there's no benefit to "over-surviving" anything, once you survive and you didn't unduly tax the healer or cause a problem during that survival
you're done
the box is checked
now what do you do?
as a warrior, the answer is damage
in short - if choosing between IP and revenge, the main question is do I need to press IP
sturdy sable
in short - if choosing between IP and revenge, the main question is do I *need* ...
And people are often surprised to find out the answer is often times no
placid river
I have often found my self banking 17k dmg in my IP
Probably should have Revenged instead
sturdy sable
Unless you needed to dump the rage in fear of over cappin
Since you do have moments with more rage then you can spend on revenges
patent osprey
That's interesting. I asked in <#148898862432649216> earlier and was told Fury f...
NF Fury Also blasts, but Kyrian Arms also is blasting right now with the new legendary. Some suspect itll be the best m+ dps spec because of the defensives arms has >>> fury. Who knows though, not enough data
pastel sleet
I pushed up to 22 in bfa. And have been active in mythic plus since legion.
This season my only goal is keystone master. Not pushing high. Just enough for good valor gear with my friends.
I like the seismic revenge spam feel in 10s over the past few weeks.
Is it necessary that i get reprisal and learn to charge weave this season for my goals?
mossy peak
I don't know what I would classify as "necessary" but reprisal is absurdly strong in keys
you can roll around with the wall in higher keys if you want
but reprisal gives you everything you want and everything you need
the "charge weaving" idea is not really that big of a deal, all you have to do is charge at a caster that's stationary, or charge as part of your natural kiting
it works pretty organically
patent osprey
Personally I've played Seismic up to +24s in some dungeons, but most of the time it feels like a huge survival loss for a decent dps gain. You can push with seismic, but it's definitely not optimal. You have to really look at the net loss or gain right, because the the higher the key level, means you would have to kite more which inturn gives you less uptime of seismic reverb legendary. Eventually, itll just be hurting your play rather than helping.
pastel sleet
I played with thunderlords during 9.0 and picked up seismic for low key farm in 9.0.5. (Which was very fun.)
The highest key im looking to do is 15 this season
mossy peak
even separately from charge weaving it's hard to overstate how nice it is to immediately have shield block and snap threat on every single pull
patent osprey
@pastel sleet to do 15s, you can play any legendary or any style you want. Play what you find fun
karmic plinth
am i right in thinking we will have working reprisal sims in 9.1?
sweet summit
yeah
patent osprey
probably not
sweet summit
mwahi has been working on it
sweet summit
damn...
i have an aoe sim i can link
sec
BSC+AM for all of these
reprisal is up there
karmic plinth
big
sweet summit
the wall is kinda misleading imo
patent osprey
can you show me sims of how much im on the floor with seismic vs reprisal ?
sweet summit
since you usually dont play BSC+AM with it in m+
karmic plinth
makes sense
jagged pier
seems about right
sweet summit
🤣 
blazing condor
Honestly yeah
patent osprey
can u do the same chart but change it for how much is my uptime going to be on the floor
if i play VDH this season
vs prot war
sweet summit
VDH 📉
bear 📈
patent osprey
But if I play bear... I will fall asleep at the wheel
mossy peak
bear is what you play if you want to make a statement and say
you know what, i don't want to kite
shadowlands is stupid
i'm gonna stand here
patent osprey
Then you pull super big
and your dps aren't used to coordinate kicking
and then u all wipe
patent osprey
Man... most exciting thing about 9.1 is I can stream again ^.^
jagged pier
😮
blazing condor
#1 pwarr again?
sweet summit
thoughts?
blazing condor
Orange name when?
patent osprey
when Nom stops hating me
jagged pier
patent osprey
how come u never sim Venthyr soulbinds T_T @ionic fern
jagged pier
plush tendon
I dont think Graph A should be linear; It should concave up
ionic fern
so when do we get a nice venthyr graphic like the ones u have for kyrian
Venthyr new lego bis for AoE huh?
shut summit
Yuge aoe
sick sentinel
Hey short question, i want to Switch from fury to prot, so how much versa in % is good? i am at 217 ilvl 17% versa and die like a fly
sweet summit
vers is not the reason youre dying, trust me
how much vers you have is irrelevant
there is a reason why the guides say ilvl>haste>vers
sweet summit
yeah for sure
sick sentinel
so my healers are Bad i think
😂. nah OK i need to get netter than, Ty anyway. i thought i need 30% versa
@sweet summit but only with kiting only or?
sweet summit
you barely kite in 17s
strong forum
vers is irrelevant
survival comes from playing well and having a good group
not from gear
nerf did 25s with 209 ilvl and 9% vers
mein guy
sick sentinel
wtf
rancid ember
think he was still wearing psychic shell 4 that too
strong forum
yah
stark sage
if you have enough dps or know exactly when to kite, you dont need shit for gear
calm obsidian
do you have a vod of that nom? I find it hard to believe you could possibly hold agro against dps that is enough to time a 25 at 209
strong forum
he did that 4 months ago
calm obsidian
do you have a vod?
strong forum
and has JPC
rancid ember
He also had a Rogue in grp lol
calm obsidian
i'd have to see that to believe it tbh
jagged pier
Hey short question, i want to Switch from fury to prot, so how much versa in % i...
ive been tanking 19s and 20s while standing still with 10% vers for months u dont need it
calm obsidian
22 is way different than 25 lol
rancid ember
In terms of threat though?
calm obsidian
but yeah you don't need that much vers
strong forum
i remember watching a 24 spires
where he was 209
but i guess they couldnt complete it
was only 1 day where he was 208 where he did m+ cuz he later did pvp and hc run and got to 216 in 1 day
anyhow, he only had peaked at 13% vers
cuz shit don matter
fluid beacon
Quick question. I could be wrong but wasn't there some mention of Necro Fleshcraft doing damage now during channeling?
Could have sworn I read something about that
proud carbon
It reduces damage taken by 20% during the channel as of 9.0.5
If that is what you are thinking of
fluid beacon
Yea I remember that part but probably misread something. Appreciate it. Would have been nice if it did some kind of damage aura for the channel duration
fleet river
Maybe one of the three necro warriors can chime in, maybe there is a soulbind trait
jagged pier
theres necro warriors here
strong forum
na theres no such thing as fleshcraft dealing damage
jagged pier
proud carbon
There is a new trait for Emeni in 9.1 that adds a damage component to fleshcraft, although I believe it is not very strong with current tuning
'Current tuning' being datamined 9.1 values
fleet river
I went necro right as 9.0.5 hit but missed my beloved angel homies too much
jagged pier
jagged pier
strong forum
15k
if you channel for a full 4sec, you get 12 pustules, each dealing around 1.2k~ dmg with current numbers
proud carbon
Fleshcraft is a 3 sec channel since 9.1 ftr
strong forum
ah
proud carbon
So even worse
strong forum
so its like 10k
fleet river
Better than nothing from pressing a defensive but definitely not worth switching covs
strong forum
so if my dumb overhead napkin math isnt all too scribbled, its like 100ish dps?
you need the shield to live for 6.3seconds+ though
so you can actually pop the pustules
cuz of the 0.7sec CD
stark sage
yeah icd kinda makes it awkward, the damage isnt laughable it seems, especially since you can precast it
proud carbon
most fleshcraft benefits persist beyond the shield itself now, I suspect those are the same
strong forum
could be
proud carbon
but bonesmith is a better option in my mind regardless if you are playing Necro
both defensively and offensively
stark sage
emeni still has the group str buff tho
analog bear
Reprisal going to be the go to leggy for raids too?
strong forum
before he finishes his cast
north iris
thanks
nova arch
I have to choose between prot warrior, prot paladin and brewmaster monk for next tier but struggling. Warrior isn’t 60 yet, brewmaster is ilvl 180 and prot paladin is ilvl 220 🙂
blazing condor
Not even bias but warrior is lookin real good still and is a solid pick
But unless youre super competitive it doesnt really matter what you pick
Play what youre best/have most fun at
strong forum
whatever you find most fun
jagged pier
☝️
amber herald
in raid it matters even less than m+
plush tendon
I have to choose between prot warrior, prot paladin and brewmaster monk for next...
Once you go Warrior, you dont go back
The Alpha male of the tank specs
UWU
balmy coral
I find it funny that now content creators are saying Prot will be top 2 in 9.1 when we were top 2 in 9.0.5 but people still thought we were BDK trash.
shut summit
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush tendon
I find it funny that now content creators are saying Prot will be top 2 in 9.1 w...
Let the unenlightened wallow in their ignorance
balmy coral
Dratnos has us slightly behind Guardian due to how little damage they take but we do pump. I was doing lower keys like between 5-10 and being top 2 dps is fun.
prisma bronze
Hi guys, I have a question today I connected and for some reason this macro suddenly stopped working, it does not launch the charge or intervene, why is it? this is the macro #showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
flat kite
is it bound to a mouse button
plush tendon
Dratnos has us slightly behind Guardian due to how little damage they take but ...
Dratnos makes his tier lists based upon the 'highest' keys. Guardian is above Prot cause they are just so tanky. But tank balance is relatively good
nova arch
Once you go Warrior, you dont go back
My warrior was my main, as prot, from vanilla until legion when he got benched and become like 5th alt or something but had a hankering to play him lately. It’s just…the hassle of switching character for next raid, and gear and rep and legendaries
plush tendon
My warrior was my main, as prot, from vanilla until legion when he got benched a...
the start of a new tier is the best time to toon swap
and catchup aint too bad
nova arch
Just a bit bored or prot paladin
plush tendon
Prot Paladin is a great alt and super fun.... once in a while
cant imagine playing it day in day out
Same thing happened to me and VDH: fun in spurts, but as a main, it just doesnt cut it for me
But my loves have always been DK and War; the chad plate bois
fleet river
dh is too simple
theres no complexity at all
rotate 3 cooldowns, 2 button rotation, 2 utility sigils, and then start kiting
plush tendon
Im fine with simple specs; leaves more brainpower to focus on other things like really abusing your toolkit, managing pulls, and what not
fleet river
i'm alright with it too, it just doesn't leave enough room for creativity and experimentation
plush tendon
I also dont pug, and I do call outs for my group
prisma bronze
is it bound to a mouse button
no, is a mouse over
plush tendon
so interrupt orders, externals, telling people to use their utility spells, is important as well
fleet river
the way i use my charge/intervene macro is that it will only ever charge my actual target, but will intervene a friendly mouseover, or friendly target
pretty sure the only offensive mouseover i use is interrupt
/cast [@mouseover,help] [help] Intervene; Charge
I had macros involving mouseover stop working when i had it bound to a mouse button, something something the WoW UI doesn't handle mouse buttons over raid frames as the same as pressing a keyboard key.
fleet river
i've never had that problem
i have 'focus my mouseover' bound to a mouse button
never had an issue
/focus [target=mouseover] []```it may depend how you have it bound, i have it on a default action button and that button is bound to m3
flat kite
i don't remember 🙂 just noticed it when i moved from using clique to a standard action buttn myself (in 8.3) on my hunter for misdirect
either way, just a debugging thought
nova arch
Prot Paladin is a great alt and super fun.... once in a while
Yeah I like the utility it brings, like BoP and lay on hands and stuff, but I’ve been playing it solid for a while now and just a bit bored.
fading dirge
any decent afternoon streamers?
worthy karma
Plka isn't afternoon but hes amazing to watch in M+ at night
plkatv is his twitch. He is #4 in raider io score for prot war. He interacts with chat and gives good tips
fading dirge
US
blazing condor
Me if i can be arsed to get up early
prisma bronze
now suddenly it works normal ._.
tardy osprey
how far is Bron's knock back when he comes in to fight? Is it annoying when tanking?
amber herald
I asked that but only 5 people in the whole world have ever specced mikanikos so no one knew
chilly brook
how far is Bron's knock back when he comes in to fight? Is it annoying when tank...
Give or take 8ish yards
tardy osprey
thank you
chilly brook
Might actually be slightly shorter like 6
sick sentinel
Anyone play NF in raid?
sweet summit
a lot of people do
clear sapphire
Finally got Sire down last night. Then I saw how few of us have. Ppl need to stop hating on us for raid ;) lol.
strong forum
People love to hate pwar
Like, they actively want to hate it
Not for a reason other than pwar being pwar
clear sapphire
I mean I actively hate druid and monk..... less so druid as time from nighthold to now increases ;)
strong forum
If pwar good? Hate it
If pwar bad (which it hasn't been in a long time)? Hate it
I hate bdk
Slow ass playstyle
jagged pier
what u mean Nome its was bad when it was used in the WF kill of sire 🤔
strong forum
Yeah
Then people come with some bullshit excuses like "it wasn't good, only buff bot"
WELL GUESS WHAT ALL TANKS ARE
bright flax
Things like subcreation dont help to change mentalities unfortunately
Same with draven and bdk, as much as mandl explains why you dont need it theres still peeps that "want the tankiness" even if its not there
strong forum
Yeah, they're bad in representing low population specs
All it shows is what's popular
Nothing more
Which is also what rio does
And subcreation just scraps rio info
strong forum
clear sapphire
As long as Sco never comes back to "main" pwar and say how bad we are, we can't be perceived as any worse ;)
jagged pier
he is next tier no?
blazing condor
The only people who decline you for being a pwarr are bad and you dont wanna play with then anyway
jagged pier
look im gunna say it when kungen was playing at the start it was worse
ppl where like but kungens running x
and me and Nome were like yer hes bad
dont run that
and they would be like but its Kungen
🤦♂️
blazing condor
Kungen washed up
But let people hate who cares
Like it wont affect us in a way that matter
clear sapphire
I've out lasted every tank I've been with and they have all been "meta" at the time. Just play what you enjoy... and I enjoy the "wall"
timid urchin
Hey guys. I’ve heard in the new patch Kyrian is king for Prot
But I can’t find any wowhead articles on this new op Kyrian soulbind for prot tank
Where have you guys heard about Kyrian being OP for prot in 9.1?
timid urchin
I’m currently night fae. Should I consider switching ?
strong forum
No
Not unless you have a dedicated group for m+ that lacks a kyrian
Outside of that, not really a reason to swap away from NF
timid urchin
Mainly prot for raid
strong forum
Na then you Gucci