You should have 3.5-4k in keys over 15 i suppose, depending on how much you have to kite
#protection
austere wedge
south nexus
yea, im sitting around the 3k overall for the dungeon. is there something to help me get to 3.5 or 4k?
austere wedge
Nf or kyrian?
south nexus
kyrian
blazing condor
yea, im sitting around the 3k overall for the dungeon. is there something to hel...
Easiest way is if you log the run and have one of our handy Yellow-names look at it
Right now its very easy to be above 4k dps overall so sounds like theres some things you could do differently
south nexus
is the 4k assuming full 226 gear then? if im only 213ish
jagged pier
i press buttons
strong forum
Alot of times when somebody says they struggle to do more dmg or have trouble with rage gen / survival it comes down to them not pressing their buttons often enough
But with 213 ilvl 3.5k dps is fine ish
fringe marten
Dunno if many fights in the new raid will use 'the wall' over reprisal but..still gonna' have to remake it into a cloak to have it ready 😦 fkn blizzard.
jagged pier
im not remaking it
i mean everyone told me that the wall was better for sludge to strat with same with sire
fringe marten
You can't get a refund for soul ash right? like you can't sell the shoulder or something..
fringe marten
I'm kinda' sick of the game so I've basically not been doing anything for months other than raid logging.
strong forum
You and 90% of the people
I have found out today I have 5k Ash
And it's not like you can't get Ash next patch
Sooo... 🤷♂️
fringe marten
likely quitting next tier, but I'm going to play/tank until I shift hours to a new job or just really don't want to maintain the subscription any more.
blazing condor
Isnt soul ash capped at 8k?
fringe marten
So I'll probably see the start of 9.1 and at some point just log off
they lifted soul ash cap a while back
fringe marten
Are we swapping to uhh..? necrolord
(pins hasn't been updated in a minute so~ lol)
blazing condor
not worth
Unless you really want to
nothing has changed at least as far as we know rn
fringe marten
OH that's right..it's not necro, it's the soul bind.
Owlbro will be the new hotness..mikanikos
You'll end up prob having to remake the wall jakey; there's probably gonna' be a fight you'll want it for. (but I'm not sure honestly? maybe not) Can you have 5 shards in your armor? like the 3p bonus and then 2 for added/stacked effect?
or the 3p bonus and then 2 'dps' ones.
jagged pier
there wont be
ppl kept telling me its better becuase they got SW all the time running bolster when thats litterally the same cd
fringe marten
Well that's just play style; I like and use the intervene legs too but; still haven't finished sire and still using the wall for that. I'm not gonna' be the tank who..if I'm even still playing; would want/need the wall for a fight or progression and then go "ohh yeah I didn't remake it....I'll have it next week guys"
But anyway; the shard system..you can have 5 shards?
or just 3?
jagged pier
i used rep for sire
fleet river
But anyway; the shard system..you can have 5 shards?
5 total which means 1 set bonus plus 2 wildcard
fringe marten
I could probably get away with reprisal as well; but there's a couple points where having shield wall up is nice; however it's likely if I used reprisal I'd have it ANYWAY; since I'm not using shield wall on CD.
Right so it'll be the 3 frost shards and then the 2 highest dps ones probably.
can you stack shards? specifically the absorb shield one
like 3 frost..then 2 more frost for a faster stacking absorb shield?
it's not going to change the cap; just how much you regen each tick (if they stack)
real thunder
Catching up on msgs, are TheWall(raid) and Reprisal(M+) still our go to leggos for 9.1?
fringe marten
Reprisal can be used as or more effectively than the wall on most raid fights; it works in all situations. The wall is just an 'ease of use' leggo.
real thunder
ty all
fringe marten
I dunno if he's still on the same kick but pika also preferred the wall for high M+ keys..but that's because he wants to use shield wall on CD effectively.
I can honestly see a better argument for that; than for most raid fights.. you just aren't popping SW on it's 'faster' cooldown even when you use the wall.
But in M+, shield wall can't come back fast ENOUGH.
mellow bridge
not going reprisal in m+ seems like a huge mistake to me
fringe marten
In really high keys you absolutely have to have shield wall up to stand and bang with some packs long enough to establish threat to kite with.
So shield wall becomes something that allows you to stand and dps longer/get more threat..make certain packs easier on your healer etc.
At a certain point just having block up isn't enough, the bonus effects mobs are stacking, nukes, etc...and simply the melee even after filter through block..gets ridiculous. So having more block uptime or rage doesn't even matter; you need a solid CD to stay in and get threat/do dps.
But anyway; off topic..was just curious if people knew how the shards would stack, if they forced you to not use duplicates..etc. Guess no one is sure
I'll remake the wall as a cloak, and have it as part of my toolkit ..and then use reprisal for as much of 9.1 as I'm able or willing lol.
fringe marten
Right; but it also means I'm not pumping any more resources into those shoulders.
I'll be focusing on the leggings as my lego exclusively unless something major changes.
but eventually you're gonna' get new shoulders, and eventually also get the raid shoulders.
granted RNG might fuck me, and as always...I'll probably get an amazing shoulder in my vault on some random week, and that will be the week I get the raid shoulder I'm SURE of it. (heroic..so the ilevel will be ass)
fringe marten
I feel you; but I don't want to NOT have the option.
bright flax
The only lego I want after reprisal is seismic reverb...to sit on the end of the bag for 99% of the time
fringe marten
i have a seismic helm I use in like 15's and 16's and stuff
it's fun to do some good damage
pallid isle
has there been any testing write ups on what triggers shard of Zed? "Your helpful spells and abilities have a chance to grant your target an Unholy Aura". I'm assuming it means targeted abilities so nothing we have.
balmy coral
No one uses The Wall anymore, did Wowhead forget that Reprisal is BIS in every situation?
modern brook
The wall is the default rec for raid prog I'm p sure just cause it's less hard to fuck it up
balmy coral
But if you're not beating bad DPS on the meter then why are you there?
amber herald
I'm not recrafting mine, just going to reprisal the entirety of 9.1
mighty valley
i'll probably slowly pick at recrafting the wall over time since there aren't any other pressing options
and maybe there's a fight where reprisal is impractical idk
amber herald
I'm pretty sure we're taking the dps options for domination sockets anyway they won't help us live
so if there's a boss that needs the wall we can probably just run it using the shoulder slot and be fine
lose probably 1% dps gain? (total guess)
reprisal rest of the time because fuck doing more torghast
amber herald
your opinion is wrong and bad and I hate you
mighty valley
this is fair
amber herald
true
mighty valley
still bummed about the Condemn legendary
sick sentinel
if i have reprisal legs, do i even need to worry about re-craft?
mighty valley
no
modern brook
if i have reprisal legs, do i even need to worry about re-craft?
No
sick sentinel
okay, thats good i guess, but so, i don't understand where the special socket comes from
i saw you put something in and you get a minibubble or leech/speed
mighty valley
gear can drop for 5 slots that you can put special gems into
it's more complicated than that but it's fine
mostly the gear comes from the raid, or you can grind up stygia like before
to buy a piece from a rep quartermaster
manic schooner
Kyrian vs NF for M+ in 9.1, either pulling ahead?
sick sentinel
Pick your favorite, but kyrian gets you into more groups because everyone else plays NF. Functionally no different
spiral warren
is the play to buy a rank4 neck now?
sweet summit
what do you want to craft on neck?
sweet summit
bright flax
Ur pc knows the play
median sierra
i plan on playing necro in 9.1 for the M+ team what covenet tree you guys think is best to go?
sick sentinel
will be really nice in the future when MDT has all the planned features and fixes
able to show estimate for boss ability damage calculated with level of the key, some of the bosses list way more abilities than they really have or have redundant entries for the abilities.
claims that this boss has a million character spells is one of the more egregious errors, minor pathing inaccuracies on some pulls
hardy siren
asked this the other day and no one had much chat - is Kleia worth a look for M+ for prot? the last ability in her tree seems like it could be pretty good. in 9.1 ofc, not trying to reinvent the wheel with 6 days to go.
static garnet
What covenant is the play for raids in 9.1?
alpine stone
What covenant is the play for raids in 9.1?
Not much has changed for warriors other than the legendaries for 9.1. But Kyrian is considered best for both raid and m+
tepid salmon
dont see anything in pins what are the go to safe stats to pick for prot lego for both m+ / raid content looking to craft the wall lego
its a fresh ding alt so dont really have much gear to balance around stats i assumed vers is a given but 2nd wasnt sure
river escarp
Not prot specific, but will we need to complete the covenant campaign or will there be a skip?
mighty valley
its a fresh ding alt so dont really have much gear to balance around stats i ass...
haste > vers is safe
tepid salmon
tyy
fading dirge
So curious if Im doing something wrong. Most guides say to take Devestator as a talent in tier 1. However, when there is a draught of shield slam procs I have nothing to do. Shield Block up, TC on CD, SS on CD, not a tun of rage to be spamming Revenge. Is that just the nature of the talent or should I run something else so I have more buttons to push
tepid salmon
would assume revenge for damage or dump into ignore pain but im rusty as a prot warrior
forest fern
If you're on progression type stuff boom then yeah thats the nature of stuff you may get down zones where you have nothing to press. If the stuff doesn't hit too hard burn it into revenge i guess but don't starve yourself of rage by getting "triggered" by it in higher content
scarlet swan
Use charge/intervene to get rage for more revenges to fill the gaps
forest fern
assuming he has the legendary ya do that also i guess. If he's in certain raid specific scenario's though movement may not always been viable though so its still likely to happen from time to time
sick sentinel
these people used to me "stop hitting devestator so much"
so then this talent came back, or it became better or viable pick or whatever, and i never looked back, had it when it was pickable at some point in earlier expansion
forest fern
I mean long term both devastate and devastator should be removed for something more permanent in the rotation but it's blizzard so whenever they get around to it i guess
sick sentinel
still dissapointed that its only 2 lanes instead of 3 for the conduits
topaz dragon
Would be nice to have another ST button
sick sentinel
i feel like if you can only choose 2 options its extremely boring, even if faux, illusion of free choice is nice
topaz dragon
Soulbinds shouldn't exist
inner pelican
Hey guys does prot warrior look good so far for 9.1 or mediocre?
sick sentinel
what more specifically is wrong with them?
because, i don't find any issue with them at all, there at the best ones and you use those ones, and then maybe you have to select a different line that doesnt even use the daily chargers
so, if you have the best ones equipped, you aren't using the points, so i don't get the issue people have
topaz dragon
Another borrowed power system that sucks dev time away from stuff that could improve the game. The struggle to balance all this shit. The fact that it creates more work for the player but doesn't really reward them.
At the very least introduce quality of life features. Such as making then spec agnostic and having no energy cost to changing then
sick sentinel
it's just another obstacle for a bunch of math nerds to calculate on a spreadsheet and then some big guild comes in and acts on it.
can't let the content be consumed and mathmatic'd the first week
fleet river
Wow hasn't been "a game with tacked on systems" for a long time. The whole game is expansion-specific systems. The only place that isn't true is pvp and those weirdos complain about everything
sick sentinel
the last guild I was in was lead by young blood elf dk guy and well just call him Cody, Cody is like 20 and has no teeth and mains healers
anyway the 2 of them do tons of arena together, and it's all Chinese speak to me can't understand any of it.
The all 3 of us were stupid as hell
nova ivy
sick sentinel
I posted a video that had that a day ago or so but it got deleted
outside of arcane mage there is nothing that super excited me to want to play more spec classes
possibly necro lock that seems really cool ability on paper
X healer priest, possibly
rogue and dk seem bad in meta not into monks or druid shaman, dh stuff
pine cypress
What pairs better with a prot tank in raids between a Brewmaster and Guardian?
obtuse delta
Well my buddy is a blood dk when I tanked with him
We did a good team up since he can mass grab
And you can mass taunt
Good for trash
Or add bosses
pine cypress
Well it's moreso Im more or less settled on the warrior currently, and my partner is tossing between his druid, which he played last tier, or switching to monk
Neither of us really wanna play BDK
obtuse delta
That I can understand
Bdk is boring imo
But warrior monk seems also good
Kiting isn't a problem anymore thanks to overall slow
And the ring of karma
Also if your necro
The monk will benefit immensly if your needing a tank cd
pine cypress
Fair point there, would the druids self-sustain be something to consider? iirc i think the monk has very limited self-healing, right?
obtuse delta
More like collecting dot dmg
He can substation himself against medium stager
Anything over that and he needs a healer it he is alrite in playing
I think every .... 2-3 minutes he can remove the stagger ?
I'm not sure anymore but he can heal if it's needed. The best thou is the stagger on that
You can go collecting adds or do raid mechanics someone couldn't cause the monk is just standing there waving hands like they don't care
Druids self heal is basically is stick with dmg reduction and evasion .
pine cypress
how often do monks get pushed into heavy stagger nowadays?
Assuming you dont overgear the content
obtuse delta
Like
When chunky dmg comes in from a heavy hitter boss
You can assume around 3-10 times
Depending how the monk play
Can be higher
pine cypress
Hmm, alright then, thank you for your input, much appreciated 🙂
obtuse delta
No problem
It's kinda the experience I managed to grab during tanking with each .
Since I'm having a new work I'm not tanking anymore but still try to gather more info on all tanks:yep:
fading dirge
If you're on progression type stuff boom then yeah thats the nature of stuff you...
Thank you for the clarification. It’s usually only a issue when their is a drought of slams and I’m saving rage for defensive stuff. But I will incorporate a better use of my reprisal legendary as well. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t doing anything at a core level wrong.
blazing condor
Maybe meant shield slam
cinder nova
That might be more on the dot. Never heard someone abbreviate them as slams.
remote notch
Hey guys, do you think it would be better to go necro or kyrian for SoD? I know my team would need to coordinate for necro but im wondering if the necro defensive buffs outweigh the kyrian stuff.
cinder nova
You go Necro for banner, not for Fleshcraft.
Necro (I'm pretty sure) is more overall raid damage, especially if you have some mastery-hungry classes that can really jive with it.
If you're okay with having middling parses as Necro and you wanna be a team player, nothing wrong with it.
Kyrian is a pretty good and versatile covenant because it has everything we like and helps patch a few holes in our ability. Spear is less damage than AA, but it definitely has utility in keeping shit still, although it has less use in M+ since kicks are probably gonna be a bigger priority than kiting as most groups use trees/vortex/RoF/etc.
The potion you get is fat, though, and definitely nice.
urban portal
also remember channeling fleshcraft means you cant block
so its not even a survive increase
cinder nova
Well, it can be.
You just FC when you're not actively tanking anything, or at least anything worth worrying about.
Like, I'm not gonna shit my pants about a pair of gargons in the SD gaunt.
shut summit
was changed to be able to block with fleshcraft awhile ago
cinder nova
Even better.
cinder nova
TBH play whatever you think is fun. Covenant isn't gonna gate you from content.
tame jasper
Does anyone know which anima power in S2 m+10+ prot warriors have to choose from and which we want to take?
cinder nova
If you wanna pump, NF
If you wanna be a raid team player, Necro
If you want red, Venth
If you wanna PVP on the side and want a good middle ground, Kyrian
What even is the claim to fame for Venthyr these days at Prot?
urban portal
parsing
cinder nova
Doesn't it only beat out NF on ST fights?
worthy karma
Lol for venth prot you really dps 95% of the time and guild forces you to tank ☠️
urban portal
you also dont have enough rage to feed into condemn
worthy karma
It’s like “healers just heal me I’m going dps spec”
cinder nova
What's the rage cost on Condemn?
urban portal
same as execute
cinder nova
You can definitely get the rage for Condemn, at least for a hot minute.
urban portal
and it gives you like half an ignore pain as bonus
cinder nova
If I don't have to LS for bosses I drop it in Execute range and drop a Ravager.
Every tick is over 40 or near in the high 30s.
cinder nova
And just mash my Execute button until Ravager falls.
You are right, though, that you can't keep it up through the entire set of windows.
LS + UF with Rav feels so fucking dumb tho
Flush with rage.
I really do like the UF conduit even if it's pretty meh in terms of interactivity. It turns LS into a teeny DPS CD.
urban portal
warrior has some of the weakest conduits in the game
And it's really gonna show next tier
north iris
Yeah, when we’re meta our conduits are gonna show
urban portal
Well next tier you get a ton more conduit slots
So unless our class is overtuned it's gonna show
When I'm on bear and vdh I have to decide among the best conduits
On warrior I decide which ones are least shit
opaque quest
On warrior I decide which ones are least shit
I just got fueled by violence and was like woah. 0.1% more heal. Thats craaazzyyyy
jagged pier
Pv>UF>SW>IP>BV>SG doesnt fucking matter its trash
green hound
Hey guys, just returning after months off.. reprisal boots still the prefered lego of choice?
opaque quest
Thought sg is stalwart :>
jagged pier
Legs
opaque quest
K im gucci
opaque quest
Hey guys, just returning after months off.. reprisal boots still the prefered le...
Only if you dont have the mythic legs from SG
opaque quest
Oh ye youre right
green hound
Oooh okay, havent really found anything yet, looks like most of the guides are still out dated
Or atleast have current content items/bis lists on them
jagged pier
They should be saying boots anyway it was boots only ifu killed SLGs regularly amd therefore could get the legs
green hound
I just usually run m+ tbh so legs prob sound good to me
I was arms before as venth but thinking of making the swap to either kyrian or NF
iron drift
What ability does symbol of hope from a holy priest in 9.1 reduce for prot warrior
green hound
I did kyrian a really long time ago and it was funnnnnnnn lol
crap, just realize id have to do that weekly quest to rejoin them if I wanted to go kyrian again I think
green hound
Yep, but the question is NF or Kyrian? both are good in m+ but I think NF nets more rage and dmg, but kyrian has some nice CC opportunities with spear
jagged pier
May not be true anymore with 40 sec spear cd
In m+ anyways
And if your pugging ull ve the kyrian 99% of the time
slow oxide
do we know if there are any banger uses for kyrian pot in the next raid? in terms of bleed or other debuff removal
slow oxide
yeah didnt think so, ty ty
pine cypress
Does anyone know what the Use effect of the sword from the new raid (The Devouring Cold) actually does? It just says "Use: Adjust your Weapon"
Im assuming maybe change the holster position?
pine cypress
Didnt both previous models holster on the back?
jagged pier
I think theres one that doesnt
pine cypress
hm, Fair enough then
errant oriole
so what is making reprisal leggo so good for prot in new raid anyways?
jagged pier
The block it gives
The damage
The fact it gives you the same SW cd as the wall with bolster that u would use in proggression
Tdlr its more defesnive and more offensive at the same time
errant oriole
ah ok thank you 😄
i have it crafted on my boots currently hope thats not bad for 9.1 >_>
strong forum
It's not bad if you won't kill sylvanas on mythic and get her boots
👍
So it's not terrible
errant oriole
AM, BSC? not good with shorts sorry 😦
signal nymph
so you are tanking in raid, boss is at your face, there is no other target. how do you benefit from Reprisal legendary?
don't you need to charge or intervene to get the buff? but boss is at your face and you have to stand where you are
how does this work
uncut juniper
AM, BSC? not good with shorts sorry 😦
Hes talking about talents. Anger Management and Best Served Cold.
errant oriole
ah ok thanks 😄
jagged pier
don't you need to charge or intervene to get the buff? but boss is at your face ...
U can intervene a melee or ypur cotank and u can move and charge before before u need to taunt or if there are any running mechanics you can charge the boss there are tones of time u can use it
U just not have to be vrain dead to play it
Like adds spawn guess what ima charge
A melees close by ima intervene
And intervening uour gotank wong kill u as 90% of the time if your tanking they are taking damage
signal nymph
yeah fine with intervene i am aware you can do it in melee
but charging has some positioning somehow then
carmine prawn
i usually just intervene cotank when i am tanking, so damage are not 2x
blazing condor
Do bosses need to be faced with backs towards dps (preferably) still because of misses/parries or is that changed?
carmine prawn
Do bosses need to be faced with backs towards dps (preferably) still because of ...
this still exists
jagged pier
U dont charge when you tanking did u not read? U charge before u taunt and when there are mechanica that force u to move out look at sludge u can charge every raor and everystomp while still tabking to boss
Like u literally have to think just going oh i cant charge because i can move from the boss is so narrowminded and gardly ever is true
signal nymph
that is what i am saying, it has conditions and positioning requirements
jagged pier
Like on sire i was charging him everytime i had to taunt
And not to be that guy but 4 seconds from charge 4 from intervene and 3 shield blocks is so much block uptime and before that time runs out your taunt swapping anyways
opaque quest
I like using my intervene as an escape too. Some awareness, druid is far away. I run 2 meters then intervene and have some breathing room. Charge back in, 60 rage 8 seconds block
ez pz
signal nymph
i find it both cool and lame at the same time
jagged pier
Wasting revenge there
And potentially getting hit in the back depending on mob range
blazing condor
The play is to sheath your weapons so the shield goes on your back when you run out
jagged pier
Doesnt work
jagged pier
Doesnt effect the conduit ither
pine cypress
That would be awesome, And I hold out hope that eventually it will be fixed so that it does
And I expect to be disappointed, but still
jagged pier
Still have fixed signet
pine cypress
it was broken?
strong forum
Prot ravager doesn't work with signet
And since that is still not fixed, you'd either assume it's intended to not work or that they don't care enough
Same with sinful and bolster/unnerving focus
jagged pier
^^
pine cypress
I assume that is intended, since Ravager =/= Bladestorm, However the same argument could very much apply to bolster re: Sinful Surge
strong forum
It doesn't work for us because your ravager doesn't replace bladestorm
When arms ravager does replace bladestorm
That's why it doesn't work, the groundwork isn't laid
pine cypress
Huh, I did not know that ravager replaced BS for arms, I havent played it in like 5 years, apologies 😛
pine cypress
I played arms to get that sweet mage tower skin, then I kinda never touched it again, lol
wicked acorn
That might be a stupid question. But does the schild Block time stack? So that i can get like 12 Sec on it?
When using Charge and all
jagged pier
It caps at 18 secs
winged wind
So if I play with the wall, I don't spec into AM?
jagged pier
In what content?
winged wind
Raid
jagged pier
For progression no
winged wind
Reprisal feels just too good in M+ 😉
jagged pier
U should run bolster with the wall
winged wind
U should run bolster with the wall
Good to know, I thought the big bonus for progression with the wall + AM would be shield wall almost every minute
winged wind
As I'll switch to Prot for 9.1 and I'll probably be undergeared at first I'll feel better using the wall at first. Don't want to jeopardise progress because I don't make full use of reprisal.
jagged pier
Reprisal is more survivanvility
Look at it this way
Raid fight majoroty of your damge intake is melee
Block+ armour is around 40%+ DR already, SW is what 50% DR for 8 secs?
When your porgressing u want to mitigate and smooth as much damage as possible
With repirsal u mitigate far more damage that u do with the wall
As u block 20% more hits
And u get like 1 less use of SW a fight
20% more blocked hits is far greater than 8 more seconds of 50DR
U also tend to save your cds for tank busters or use them around having them back for tank busters
So u may get SW back eariler lets say but u need it in 30-40 secs so u cant use it
Right away reprisal gives you more value
Because youll block more and ull have sw back
winged wind
Ok, this makes a lot of sense. So I'll aim to have both at rank 4 when the raid starts. Thanks to account wide soul Ash this should work out.
jagged pier
👍
Its also rhe same reason my reprisal is better in m+ because most of the damage u take is melee
Sure there are some boss fights where u take heavy magic damage but honestly still blocking the melees from the boss is usually better than that 8 seconds of sw u get because it will mitigate more damage
winged wind
In M+ reprisal feels great, it solves one of the main problems of builder - spender tanks like DK, where you get smacked in the face hart before you get your active mitigation up.
bright flax
As I'll switch to Prot for 9.1 and I'll probably be undergeared at first I'll fe...
Also switching, still with 200 ilvl and rocking reprisal. SB is love and it will only get better
Make sure you spend your valor points before next reset on things like weapon shield or a scale trinket and you're good to go
There's surely catch up gear to pick
inland ferry
Have Ignore Pain question - should I look to use this in my normal rotation or for specific damage spikes? Looking at m+15 W/C logs seems the use across prot warriors is erratic i.e some use it alot, others meh...
quiet crane
It’s your compliment to shield block
You should be using rage on that as long as SB is already up to help smooth more damage
jagged pier
Its literally a defensive rage dump
If u are about yo overcap rage u use it or if u feel like u want to stop a tiny bit more damage thats it.
jagged socket
I have a question too, I have Reprisal on Boots for now. With 229 ilvl full mythic gear, going into Progression of the new raid, should I recraft it onto legs, since 259 BOE for boots is available? Or leave it on boots since boes might have wierd stats and/or will be expansive?
jagged pier
Sylvannas drops boots
jagged socket
But Sylvanas loot isn’t Progression relevant 😅
jagged pier
It lego dependant
If your going to kill her regularly u may as well recraft to legs now
jagged socket
True, also legs offer more stats I reckon, or am i wrong?
jagged pier
Higher budget item yer
jagged socket
Cheers ☺️
mellow bridge
Have Ignore Pain question - should I look to use this in my normal rotation or f...
always use rage for SB first, then it's simple: you want more dmg -> revenge/execute, you want to be a bit more defensive -> IP
get a proper IP tracker tho so you dont waste too much rage on it when you'd overcap on the shield
blazing cradle
if i'm not a myth raider best slot for reprisal is legs?
mellow bridge
jagged pier
blazing cradle
thx
rough girder
I think i have hit my ceiling with blocking. Not sure I can do anything better haha. Reprisal is just lovely.
strong forum
I think i have hit my ceiling with blocking. Not sure I can do anything better h...
Hover over hits
There it'll tell you how much % of hits you blocked
rough girder
mellow bridge
rough girder
bloody hell haha! I feel like SB was up almost the entire time
MORE INTERVENE NEEDED
come a long way since one of my first logs lol
strong forum
Yeah 54% is omega low
jagged pier
^^
rough girder
Yeah that was a few months back
strong forum
Even with wall + bolster I got that 77% blocked hits in mists eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
jagged pier
I think mwahi had like 80 or some shit with that set up
strong forum
rough girder
My highest is a recent Spires run I did at 74.3% block rate, just looked. I'll try get an 80% that seems like a crazy amount though
jagged pier
I did 88 once
rough girder
Wonder if I'm not using intervene as liberally as i could
jagged pier
In mists
strong forum
My highest was 87 I think
jagged pier
I havent been close since
strong forum
Without HR/Bolster ofc
jagged pier
Same
rough girder
I'll try some more tonight. Moved back to Prot Warr a couple weeks back after dropping him 3-4 months ago, really enjoying it again which is nice
bright flax
feeling peer pressure to see how much I suck in this warrior transition. time to upload logs
jagged pier
bright flax
with Bolster tho, I should aim for what? 95 - 100% blocked hits?
strong forum
Yeah
But if you run reprisal, HR is better if you want absolute maximum block uptime
Because you get so many instances of block from reprisal, that you get a ton of value out of it
rough girder
Thats actually really interesting, I run Anger management at the minute I might switch it out
Actually doesn't make sense why I do now I think about it
sweet summit
anger management is the go-to talent anyway
HR is just for degenerate ineedblockplstrust or giga high keys
strong forum
Thats actually really interesting, I run Anger management at the minute I might ...
I was strictly talking HR vs Bolster, you should generally run AM because Reprisal alone grants you enough block uptime
You get more benefits by running AM over the Block talents.
rough girder
Would that be the same in raid? In raid I tend to switch to demo shout and bolster even with reprisal. But, I’m gonna be raiding more in 9.1 so thinking I might just stick with what I have right now
Was playing around with The Wall a bit as well think that’s why I tended to move to Bolster but only really did 2 or 3 runs on my Prot Warr for raids
strong forum
Especially in raid you don't need HR or Bolster
Due to tank swaps
It's much much easier to have high % of blocked hits in raid because of the high downtime in active tanking
And in fights like council and Sludge you can easily have 95%+ blocked hits
Because of the many charge opportunities
rough girder
Im guessing it’s still worth intervening the other tank because you’re about to take the hit not them
And like you say plenty of charge opportunities
rough girder
Was gonna raid with my BM Monk but thinking of just sticking with my Prot Warr for raiding and Mythic + just to make it easier for gearing.
flint plank
Was gonna raid with my BM Monk but thinking of just sticking with my Prot Warr f...
im between those two as well except neither are geared lol
strong forum
If you wanna play m+ next patch you have to raid
The aegis trinket and those Dom pieces are bis
Even on lower levels
rough girder
im between those two as well except neither are geared lol
My problem, both are 218 haha so, i really have to make a decision. Think it'll be Prot though
flint plank
im just so bored with guardian, which is what i mained in 9.0
rough girder
Guardian in M+ gonna be probably the go to for most push groups i think but, don't think Prot will be far behind
If not level with it tbh
flint plank
im the least familiar with prot warrior just leveled one, do they play similar to any other tanks?
i usually only raid as tank
and m+ as dps or heal
strong forum
It's the most punishing tank
rough girder
plenty of buttons to press haha
strong forum
If you fucked up, you'll pay for it
And if you play well, you won't see your hp bar drop
rough girder
It's all about stopping damage than healing through damage so, being proactive and always having a defensive up
flint plank
gotcha that could be fun
strong forum
It's the most difficult tank or atleast shared with bdk for the #1 spot
rough girder
It is a steep learning curve for sure
flint plank
damn its like that!
amber herald
just press all of your buttons 
rough girder
flint plank
been looking at leggos, thinking the wall is my go to for raiding. reprisal looks like even more of a learning curve lol
rough girder
Think Jakey said above that even in raiding Reprisal is actually the best
sick sentinel
You can intervene literally anyone
Sort of miss how you could intervene npcs
fallow beacon
Finally downed M sire, can finally retire ol tanky boy
blazing condor
Thank you Erga, very cool!
sweet summit
they removed it because they didnt want to give dps warrior two charges baseline : )
rough girder
Buff warrior imo
sweet summit
so instead they split it into two abilities and made double time a talent for all three specs
: )
blazing condor
🤔
sweet summit
i swear they have something against us
blazing condor
Why not just have intercept be a prot ability
sweet summit
because "the great unpruning"
blazing condor
sweet summit
bro i have no idea
sweet summit
😔
inland geyser
Which slot should i craft "The Wall" regarding to 9.1
sweet summit
if youre going to use the wall youd craft it on cloak for 9.1
inland geyser
Aight thanks!
What slot would be best for the Reprisal legendary, if im doing mostly m+ *
rough girder
I think legs are best
sweet summit
legs
inland geyser
Allright big thanks!
crystal nexus
Do we have any infos about the Shard Setbonus comming in 9.1? im actually not sure what setboni will be the goto... Blood looks good but so does chaos (at least the setbonus), Frost seems so suffer a little course we have low crit?
ionic fern
Currently Unholy set bonus as it has a really high uptime on the primary stat increase
sweet summit
bron 
crystal nexus
thx for the info 🙂
carmine prawn
Will bron be somewhat good? Or pepe?
mellow bridge
bron looks potentially good for m+
jagged pier
bron will be better and because of new stuff mikanios is 📈 for m+
carmine prawn
Pelagos still the go to for raids?
jagged pier
prbs
strong forum
Will have to wait for sims
carmine prawn
Prolly to lookout after heroics tuning
Also, any prot warr here streaming sanctum raid on release day?
strong forum
Sense usually streams his stuff
distant crystal
strong forum
Wat
distant crystal
every time someone mentions Mikonakis
strong forum
But that's milonakis
distant crystal
close enough
strong forum
I remember watching his show late on mtv when I was a kid
carmine prawn
strong forum
It's so weird that the dude is in his 40s
distant crystal
😻
sick sentinel
what do you guys use for boss mods for keys
sweet summit
i use bigwigs
sick sentinel
i use bigwigs primarily, was DBM for ages, but it got really annoying with random flashes, and "BEWARE!" for some random shit that didn't do any damage. I find it much much much easier to get to the spells im trying to avoid, however it doesn't properly list the abilities, nor does MDT
sick sentinel
and, far as i can tell, there isn't an addon that gives an estimated damage incoming from spell, i picked up the WA that shows effective magic and pyhscial reduction "effective HP"
i find this incredibly frustrating, because very often i'll have no idea that some attack is coming and if its physical (i should pre shield block for it) or avoid, or reflect for, interupt
short kiln
there is a plater add on which shows which spells are ABLE to be reflected
by making the cast bar a different color
but I think that's as far as you're going to get there
sick sentinel
i have to know that i'm about to take physical or magic damage and an ingame estimation of how much i might take.
or it's never going to work
distant crystal
Just learn which spells slap
short kiln
^
distant crystal
Not like you're gonna be doing the mental math in the moment
"Oh I can live this one with just IP" "Oh I have to press wall for this one"
sick sentinel
right, that's what im getting at, thre are some abilities you can just more or less ignore and attack through
distant crystal
You can find out which ones slap by looking at death logs 
sick sentinel
i'm never ever going to remember all of them, and if multiple addons can't list the full set of abilities, i'm going to just be frustrated
short kiln
And the Spell Reflect spreadsheet shows you which ones need to be blocked vs reflected
sick sentinel
true, it just all blends together after a while
you just attack and your getting hit by all kinds of bullshit
strong forum
What also helps insanely is having parrot tbh
short kiln
parrot?
strong forum
I setup parrot to only show dmg intake
And then to show how much I blocked (or didn't block) for each attack
So you can learn through that, what is blockable
distant crystal
strong forum
Or a magic attack
distant crystal
is parrot an addon lol
strong forum
Yes
short kiln
is that the scrolling dmg numbers addon?
distant crystal
ahh
strong forum
I set it up that it doesn't scroll or show anything but dmg I take
sick sentinel
i really do love tanking and PW, but i can promise ya'll i'll never be able to keep it up or go to +22 keys if i can't learn this rotation and proper mitigation stuff.
strong forum
Basically removed 99% of what the addon does
If you look at my HP bar, that's where I have parrot displayed
Inside my HP bar
short kiln
nice
sick sentinel
i install parrot, but im not interested looking at what it does atm, next login some time today
strong forum
So you can visually see those juicy blocks
Really good feedback imo
To help understand how strong block is
Without looking through logs
But it does require alot of tinkering to display only what you want the way you want
zenith gorge
Any suspected changes to prot WARR cov/soulbind/leggo in 9.1? Haven't seen much so far.
jagged pier
sir this is a chat for chads not pinks bois
zenith gorge
fixed
sweet summit
likely going mikanikos over pelagos in m+
same lego/covenant status
sweet summit
reprisal
sweet summit
kinda
amber herald
a little
jagged pier
its been dead since 9.0.5
zenith gorge
ah ok
sweet summit
reprisal does the same thing, but offers more damage
zenith gorge
yeah i noticed it's not being used like at all on logs anymore
okay nice
and we don't need to recraft reprisal afaik so that's super nice
sweet summit
if u have it on legs u good
sweet summit
sick
amber herald
there might be a fight that's really good for wall like mythic hungering
zenith gorge
ya i'll keep it in the bank
amber herald
but then it's one fight and not worth recrafting for imo 🤷♂️
amber herald
is it? I might be wrong it's been a while
zenith gorge
i mean im keeping all old legendaries anyhow
sweet summit
inerva/sire are the only two fights where i can see an argument for the wall
jagged pier
its like all phyiscal
sweet summit
in CN at least
jagged pier
i can only see invera after doing sire with reprisal and AM
misty needle
what are the specs looking like for 9.1
is kyrian or NF overall best for prot?
or maybe necro?
short kiln
ditto if off specc'ing Fury
jagged pier
but im lazy
sweet summit
!waat
jagged pier
!command
distant crystal
$covenant
jagged pier
we dont have them here
sweet summit
eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
jagged pier
eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
jagged pier
thank you eyir
distant crystal
why does /tenor guy frantically pressing buttons never work
sweet summit
what
distant crystal
i'd post the gif that i'm referring to...IF I COULD FIND IT
short kiln
I just swapped into Kyrian from NF for M+ cause we needed the cov bonus, but they feel really close. Kyrian feels trudgy but tankier and 1m cd on spear is nice.
strong forum
There
short kiln
With 9.1 changes to Mik it's feeling pretty close in terms of M+ for sure
jagged pier
yus
strong forum
Mik is defo gonna be max dps
short kiln
I do miss soulshape
jagged pier
APM class 📈
short kiln
but not in combat. LOL
amber herald
I know autoattcks don't apply bron stacks
but what about auto attacks with devastator?
distant crystal
jagged pier
think so
distant crystal
not dots
jagged pier
we get him far more often
distant crystal
but channeled dots
modern brook
dots arent a damage event
distant crystal
and other weird shit
modern brook
🧠
distant crystal
a dot tick is a dmg event
sweet summit
yea get owned
distant crystal
wym
modern brook
nah he event is the cast
sweet summit
🧠
distant crystal
your face is an event
amber herald
I can't wait for this pepega to knock everything away and pull mobs not in combat
dmg is dmg tho
modern brook
smh if damage were damage then why dont dots count as an event?
inland raft
Do we think a 19 would be enough to get a 15 next week? Havnt played in ages
sweet summit
do i have to do a key this week or can i do it next week?
amber herald
how else are the soulbinds changing btw? Will bron be bis on patch day
sweet summit
prob not until full tree is available
inland raft
Had to do a 0 to get a key at all and its only a 16 so just curio how far should push it before going back into hibernation lol
sweet summit
yaep
amber herald
gonna be blue balling a little while longer then
sweet summit
amber herald
sweet summit
🔵 🔵
amber herald
😋
solemn pasture
can anyone link the renown grind guide again? tried finding it but couldnt
sweet summit
Optimal Renown Leveling Route
If you want to optimize your leveling route and spend the least amount of time possible in your new covenant, this is the route that I would suggest...
Renown 1-29: Mythic +/Raiding/PVP Grind/Heroic Dungeons
Renown 30: Weekly World Boss
Renown 31-32: Soul Questline (See Souls section, you can have two in one week if done properly)
Renown 33-39: Covenant Campaign
Renown 40: Anima Weekly 1,000 Anima Quest
solemn pasture
huh thats different than the one i saw. Is it never worth running normals? even on renown 1
sweet summit
nah u do HC dungeons
raid on all difficulties and HC dungeons are the most efficient
solemn pasture
and for the soul questline, do i just take the first one and leave it there?
and when i get to 30 I take both
solemn pasture
thanks that works
pine cypress
How strong are the 2 new conduits coming in 9.1, at a glance they look like they'd be decent, especially considering out lack of good conduits as it is
sweet summit
the primary stat could be better than show of force, although thats not hard xd
it did get a hefty nerf, so im not sure how good it is anymore
pine cypress
How is the other one, the healing one
sweet summit
looks like a good 3rd endurance conduit
pine cypress
Where are they obtained? do we know yet?
Or are they just thrown into the random pool of WQ/Calling rewards
pine cypress
Oh well thats not too bad then, assuming RNGesus isnt upset at you
modern brook
Neither are first choices tbh
pine cypress
but its not like we are spoiled for choice though
modern brook
Having high ranks of stalwart/unnerrving will be more important than getting those into the bind imo
pine cypress
Should stalwart still be used if not using Wall/AM?
sweet summit
my first question is why are you not using AM
pine cypress
Im not certain atm which I want to use between Bolster and AM
sweet summit
if youre using reprisal youre not using bolster
pine cypress
How is Heavy repercussions with Reprisal in that case? as opposed to AM
sweet summit
a lot less damage and an unnecessary amount of turtle
modern brook
Using bolster/hr is a bandaid fix to bad gameplay tbh
W/reprisal
Atwast until it becomes necessary
But if you're debating talents chances are you're not doing Content in which it is necessary
No shade meant by that
pine cypress
No worries, I wont be doing Mythic raids or super high keys
My guild is heroic only, and im happy with that
modern brook
Yeah in that kind of content you can honestly gear and talent completely offensively
Your kit provides all the surv you'll need for heroic raiding
Especially if you guys prog slowly
pine cypress
we normally are pretty quick, though heroic denathrius was a huge roadblock for us for a while
tender phoenix
is "the wall" legendary good enough to remake for prog raids in 9.1 or easier to keep to "Reprisal"?
sweet summit
just get used to using reprisal, even in raid
the wall is more niche, and reprisal basically does the same thing as the wall does (indirectly) while also giving you more damage
tender phoenix
ok nice to know will have to force myself to do reprisal in raids and make a good melee my "buddy" 🙂
tender phoenix
also is it best to have Reprisal on legs or feet. Or is it more of a fill the worst slot you have type of thing?
tender phoenix
nice so i picked right 
sweet summit
ancient monolith
hey guys how is m+ loot working in first week of 9.1?
oh nvm I just looked at the newest wowhead article about it
sweet summit
wanton wing
Alright so stinky neckbeard lord or god himself kyrian for my prot alt? Only M+
sweet summit
who is stinky neckbeard lord
wanton wing
Necrolord
wanton wing
Got it, thanks weeby deeby
sweet summit
rancid ember
Dang no Tazavesh until raid week oof
rancid ember
Prob campaign / korthia
sweet summit
oh no...
stark sage
if not for bunny girls then what
amber herald
cat girls
blazing condor
sweet summit
blazing condor
amber herald
amber herald
is roblox a good game?
sweet summit
i havent tried it so i dont want to comment on that
inland raft
Ah so next week is the week we need to do a key? Back to hibernation
For some reason thought was this week
inland raft
True havnt played in couple months so my key is down to like 16 could do it this week then just do any key next week
tropic linden
What key i have to do this week to get a 15 at 9.1?
sweet summit
19 this week/18 next week afaik
tropic linden
tks
inland raft
Timed mind you
I might have to pug it but at least 18-19 should be pretty easy i assume but i never pug, noone still playa or has interest in coming back from my friends they all full steam ahead on tbc
inland raft
Can do a 2 next week and be fine
jagged pier
u get an equivlant of an 18 no?
because if u dont time a 19 u get an 18
so u can just do a 19 and then whatever
unless its a hard reset i guess
🤔
distant crystal
I think the theory is time a 20 this week
and then do any key next week
for a 15 s2 key on heroic week
inland raft
Time a 19 this week will be enough
distant crystal
or time a 19 next week
jagged pier
someone said it ealier
inland raft
Thats how been in past
sweet summit
we dont know for sure
jagged pier
🤷
inland raft
But we dont know
distant crystal
don't think it was ever 3 between BFA seasons was it?
jagged pier
if i get a 14 should be easy enough to push to a 15
inland raft
Was 3 but became 4 because always lost a key level
So you lost the weekly plus the 3 but now if time you get equal key
distant crystal
idk I think 14's 15's might be weekly no leavers week 1
except for the bigboy pushers
distant crystal
ya
i think they just changed that with the ptr patch yesterday right
i was seeing different scaling a few days ago
inland raft
Well end of dungeon gear at 15 is 236 so if you in 226 gear even assuming no 233 gear your only 10 ilvl lower then what it drops, should feel about same as doing a 18/19 currently id assume, idk i disnt so ptr keys
blazing condor
Honestly yeah it was kind of stupid that 14 was max reward
distant crystal
Yeah seems like a flat conversion from end of dungeon to GV would make sense
although we still don't have that
inland raft
I think its mainly to help less m+ motivated people get ksm
Good players doing their weekly keys will join 15s now
Helping people get it
sweet summit
yeah, mists and halls 🙂
rough girder
So I'm Nightfae at the minute, if i'm raiding and M+ would it make such a huge difference moving to Kyrian or is it proper min max stuff (I'm only doing heroic raiding and M15)
inland raft
yeah, mists and halls 🙂
Didnt say was perfect plan but wouldn’t surprise me if that was part of their thinking
crimson furnace
Newly created Helm, Neck, Bracer, Belt and Ring Runecarving armor pieces will now always be created with a socket.
anyone saw this????????
edgy belfry
it is not like we care...cough legs cough 😄
crimson furnace
cant enlgish
main wasp
Is the Pelagos soulbind still the go-to for Kyrian Prot warriors? the new Mika stuff looks pretty nice as well
blazing condor
Mikanikos seems real good if it stays like it does
But everything remains to be seen.
mighty valley
: )
jagged pier
blazing condor
rough girder
I liked the extra potency slot 😐
Reduces ancient aftershock and buffs its damage so, it seemed a win for me lol
rancid ember
Thought this was reverted?
jagged pier
Reduces ancient aftershock and buffs its damage so, it seemed a win for me lol
u should be using that now, no?
jagged pier
Thought this was reverted?
it was
rancid ember
True guess that's what lvl 61 means
rough girder
u should be using that now, no?
I also have the revenge increases thunderclap damage so, as a nightfae, only way i could see having the right amount of potency slots with Niya was not running burrs
sweet summit
its an increase at least xd
chilly brook
Honestly only the covenant potency is good
jagged pier
^^
chilly brook
Ashen jugg is fine in pure single target
jagged pier
^^
chilly brook
Only covenant potency that's not good is the Venthyr one
jagged pier
^^
stark sage
jakey is a cool guy
chilly brook
^^
stark sage
😎
jagged pier
chilly brook
Keladan is almost as cool as Jakey tbh
jagged pier
^^
stark sage
😏
rough girder
Says Cov specific and then show of force in the pinned? it's a passive increase that requires no effort shrugs the extra endurance conduits seemed a bit meh compared to it
but i'll try it out
chilly brook
I mean
Running both the shield wall endurance and the last stand endurance is pretty pog
Hell last stand endurance is more of a dps increase than SoF
rough girder
okie doke
languid flint
Hello. Running Menace this week to try and help with sanguine. But it does not seem to work on Depraved Collectors, the mobs standing next to the shard of Halkias in Halls. Is this intended? Never used the talent before
chilly brook
Why would you run menace
Just move the mobs as they're dying
Or if you see something dying on top of a mob that doesnt want to move, move the one that's dying away from it
shut summit
were you targetting it? doesnt knock primary target
havent tried but only thing can think of
blazing condor
Menace isnt terrible considering the row itself isnt super impactful.
blazing condor
But like sense said it only affects the ones you dont target
And mobs you actually can fear ig but you can fear collectors
languid flint
I am targeting the shard to knock back the other mob when he is about to die
distant crystal
maybe your target also can't be immune?
even though it doesn't get moved maybe it has to take some CC-like debuff to push its friends? 🤷♀️ never used the talent
chilly brook
Menace isnt terrible considering the row itself isnt super impactful.
Except why not just address the issue with proper play
inland raft
Its like taking alar trinket at lower keys “because its a safety net” dont look for ways to avoid addressing play shortcomings
blazing condor
Obviously
But im just talking strictly short-term assuming one were to actually use menace
wicked acorn
i saw high rank pwarriors play Heavy repercussions instead of anger management. But i supose anger management is the supirior choice until high high end m+ since it provides more dmg?
inland raft
Its mostly playstyle preference
We have a choice unlike a lot of classes
General recommendation is the rav/am build though it does more damage
chilly brook
i saw high rank pwarriors play Heavy repercussions instead of anger management. ...
HR is like a halfway pick between AM and Bolster
jagged pier
nah its not half way
its better than bolster
but u only take it to reduce the damage
and u only need it at the top keys
like 24s i would still recommend running AM
rep gives u enough block
inland raft
I think it might actually be a small gain on st? Not sure but ya generally just run am unless you realy like the playstyle
jagged pier
its not
inland raft
When i was playing id just randomly swap between the two builds to change it up
Will say hr feels heavenly to play but i also like shield slamming things, but objectively rav/am is better for general play if are about minmax
wicked acorn
like 24s i would still recommend running AM
alright thanks ill go for AM than
sick sentinel
so, you just run parrot and only tell it to track incoming damage?
turn off everything els
lucid dew
what is bis looking for prot warrior in raid in 9.1 for lego and covenant
ionic fern
Nothing has changed as far as BiS Legendaries/Covenants go.
It's the same as they are now.
lucid dew
ok thank you
strong forum
so, you just run parrot and only tell it to track incoming damage?
Turn off everyrhing but incoming dmg and then edit what it displays
Have to do a bit of trial and error
stark sage
you'd stop stacking haste for a higher ilvl piece
strong forum
Around 39% it's advised, but generally no
fallow cape
alright thanks
jagged pier
🤔
sleek fox
@fallow cape I guess it's more about can you get more vers?
jagged pier
<@197047275757895680> I guess it's more about can you get more vers?
no
its never about more haste
if he can get higher item lvl u take that regardless of stats
its better
jagged pier
u still take haste over vers at the same ilvl
sleek fox
Why would you take more haste than vers ?
jagged pier
anything with strength
ummm i dunno
more rage
which is more DR and more damage than vers gives
like far more
more SS resets
its far better
jagged pier
good for u if thats your highest ilvl i have 10
sleek fox
How does that compare to 25% haste
From my pov, and experience vers felt like it made a bigger difference
strong forum
25% grants you 25% more uptime on SB, rage, SS resets, more CDR through AM
sleek fox
Especially on high magic damage pulls
strong forum
More casts done in general
sleek fox
I don't play Am so they is that I guess
Can't compare different builds anyway so kinda pointless
strong forum
If you think 12.5% DR is alot then idk chief