You've run 320 dungeons this season across all your characters this season. That's over 7 days 22h worth of Mythic+!
#protection
distant crystal
strong forum
It'll be s1 loot and an s2 key
strong forum
You won't get a free 252 from doing a +14 or higher in the last day of s1
marble jackal
thats what im asking
marble jackal
then this week we should do atleast 10 mytics
distant crystal
if it bugs out and gives you a s2 vault just insta disenchant it
they can't take it back if you already destroyed it!
mellow bridge
You've run 527 dungeons this season across all your characters this season. That's over 11 days 5h 44m worth of Mythic+!
guess I ran some dungeons 
mellow bridge
only thing that's actually fun to me in this game
sick sentinel
how do you see these things
mellow bridge
raid is ok, rest is not interesting
strong forum
r/cursedimages
strong forum
how do you see these things
Recap on raider.io
distant crystal
@sick sentinel https://raider.io/sl1-review
rancid ember
I did I see nothing tho
proud carbon
Community > first option
strong forum
And then you get your thingy
rancid ember
My mans
proud carbon
if you dont see it normal way
sick sentinel
You've run 165 dungeons this season across all your characters this season. That's over 3 days 23h 16m worth of Mythic+!
strong forum
Tfw yogi played more keys than me
crimson furnace
You've run 527 dungeons this season across all your characters this season. That...
hhaahhahahahaa
so close
sick sentinel
yeah, but at probably 25% efficiency of you
tender phoenix
You've run 258 dungeons this season across all your characters this season. That's over 5 days 20h 26m worth of Mythic+!
I feel like im slacking
tender phoenix
think for Valor farm and early gear farm
distant crystal
I think I ran more keys in the first month
then the rest of the season
Needing gear + lockdown is a helluva drug
did like 15 keys on NYE 
patent osprey
strong forum
crude tartan
Rerolling back onto my tank, is the general concensus listed in #268491842637660160 looking to be the same in 91?
9.1*
crude tartan
Tyvm, all i needed to know before i start maxing out my renown to find out that Kyrian is now dogshit
lavish oracle
Yeah, new Mikanikos is looking sick for M+
crude tartan
Good, cos i played lock this tier and the thought of playing NF again makes me sad
warped wren
do we have to recraft the wall and reprice due to domination socket gear ?
warped wren
so you would go reprice all the way trough mytic raid ?
strong forum
Yes
warped wren
i mean the new raid ofc.
strong forum
It's better in pretty much every single way
The only time I could see wall being better is if a boss fight is almost entirely magic dmg and you can use SW every single minute
Outside of that reprisal is better at everything
warped wren
ok . thx for info
south pebble
trying to level and do dungeons as tank, shield blocks feels like it does nothing and ignore pain goes away instantly. And people tell me im bad im level 30
dont want to tank anymore 
strong forum
leveling is nothing like endgame
prot really relies on good ilvl and being max lvl
to make any sense
south pebble
i like warrior but I was hopeful to enjoy all specs but doesnt look like thats the case
chilly brook
i like warrior but I was hopeful to enjoy all specs but doesnt look like thats t...
Judging prot when it doesnt even have 75% of the stuff that actually makes it work
clear kestrel
what covs are you guys for 9.1?
oak sparrow
!stats
ebon sun
Sticking with Kyrian.
clear kestrel
I kinda wanna keep my NF Fury as an off spec so im thinking I'll stay NF
dusky canopy
what do you guys think give up 71 Haste stat to gain 10 ilvls on boots?
I'm30%haste un buffed currently
mighty valley
venthyr 4ever
mighty valley
what do you guys think give up 71 Haste stat to gain 10 ilvls on boots?
I'm30%ha...
yes
the answer to "should i gain ilvls" is almost always "yes"
carmine prawn
second to that
mighty valley
Trinkets/necks/rings are the only sometimes exceptions
dusky canopy
for sure thats why im debating i could get lucky on PF boots today and use valor to get them to 220
then i would of wished i took the trinket lol
mighty valley
Patch is almost over, I'd just cash out and get the biggest fastest ilvl increases now
mighty valley
np!
sick sentinel
i'll never get it the way im playing, but it would be nice if i could get KSM this week
sick sentinel
dropped 15 spires to a 12 before we over time completed it, 750k fail damag then run NW 11, 333k fail damage, i'm just dumb
at least that NW was a +2
limber rover
trying to level and do dungeons as tank, shield blocks feels like it does nothin...
I play pretty much every tank class at a very high level except a blood dk, and I get more praises while playing my warrior than any other class
fossil stone
What do yall consider the most fun covenant across all specs? I'm considering switching from NF to venthyr or kyrian, but looking for what's more enjoyable, spearing mofos or condemn?
sick sentinel
for me, i play kyrian because at the time it was best choice
if you are highly skilled it can make some mobs jokes, like melee or applies a debuff, or just to keep shit away from healer
it's a really good batman utility spell.
grand drum
Kyrian because its fun watching people try to get away when theyrr tethered 
hazy sage
Quick question, probably already been answered above but what covenant is everyone looking at for raiding/m+ as prot?
mighty valley
What do yall consider the most fun covenant across all specs? I'm considering sw...
there were like, 2-3 bosses during prog where we got our first kill with me as the last one standing, hammering Condemn. live for those moments
ocean yoke
ok thank you everyone who confirmed reprisal for sludge god damn it feels nice
supple mural
Does anyone know what key we need to do to get a 15 next week in 9.1?
distant crystal
i don't think there's official word yet but 19-20 prob
and timing it should be 1 higher so maybe 19 timed 20 untimed
limber rover
Quick question, probably already been answered above but what covenant is everyo...
My go to is nightfae
tame jasper
Does anyone know what key we need to do to get a 15 next week in 9.1?
Is it possible to carry the „key-level“ from S1 to S2? 😳
I need to remind myself vasting VP on useless trinketd this week before they get reset
jagged pier
It is not possible there downgrade all key levels by around 3-4 as the k value increases happens every season
topaz dragon
For Prot vault upgrades, how do you guys choose? Sim it?
jagged pier
Depends what your looking for suvival or dps?
I mean first check is it higher ilvl u take it
jagged pier
Quick question, probably already been answered above but what covenant is everyo...
Kyrian >= NF > venthyr> necro
north iris
pulsating heart stoneheart or viscera of coalesced hatred you recon?
i already have scale
north iris
i have anima field emitter and scale, but got 226 viscera and thought I could use this one for survivability. I'm low lvl and new, so I don't mind losing dps for surv
pine cypress
Is there a site or resource similar to bloodmallet to see which trinket is generally better, or is there too many variables involved for a tank or have such a thing?
jagged pier
I dunno but for damage your general trinkets are dreadvessel, phial, hook (on ST), overhelm crystal and hymnal. And defeanive trinkets scale, SLH and al'ar
Emitter is a bit of both as well
pine cypress
Have any numbers been crunched on the trinkets from the new raid yet?
pine cypress
Forgive my ignorance, where was phial from again? I dpsed all last tier on a different toon so im not as familiar with all the tank trinkets
tame jasper
The plaguefall-dps phial?
jagged pier
I mean its a dps trinket for PF
pine cypress
Oh that one
lavish oracle
Is sun king trinket still gonna be worth using in content where a cheat death is handy?
Oh, nvm, there's a new cheat trinket
blazing condor
New cheat trinket is super ass
If you need a cheat death its most definitely gonna be splinter
New cheat is a worse soul-stone
lavish oracle
How much life do you res with?
I dunno, seems fine
6 min CD down from 8, I assume it doesn't refresh on death to make up the difference
Do you lose aggro?
Even if you did, we have challenging shout
jagged pier
I mean u should barely ever need a chest death trinket theres a pin on when u should use it
Tbh cheat death trinkets make me play worse
lavish oracle
I use one when I'm pugging a healer
Shit that shouldn't kill me sometimes just does
blazing condor
I only tried it a few times on PTR so maybe its changed. But it would proc at very low hp, around 8k or something. It would kill you - meaning you lose all aggro - and then much like a soul stone you would press the button where ”release spirit” is to res yourself back. I came back with 8k hp again
jagged pier
Wow dat bad
blazing condor
And yes you can definitely use challenging shout. But then you would have to play challenging shout around the cheat trinket and not use it otherwise because there’s no real point ressing back without aggro
lavish oracle
Taunt leap taunts not a bad option
Obviously if there's still like 10 mobs alive it's a problem
Ressing at the health you died with seems pretty bad, though
quick elk
Not seen anything pinned so forgive me if this has already been discussed. but with the buffs to mikianos tree. could it be the new default for kyrians prots warriros.
lavish oracle
Definitely good in M+
Not sure about raid, though
Last soulbind trait seems dead in ST
jagged pier
If its a consistant add fight for sure
quick elk
for mythic + the haste, and the cd reduction . from mikanos will out perform peligos in a dps aspect. without loose too much DR? i guess i should just wait and see
jagged pier
I mean more haste is more rage whoch is more dr amd spear more often is a tone of rage
U loose some mastery and 3% magic DR not much tbh
lavish oracle
Is the haste buff from damaging new enemies worth more than a 2nd potency?
jagged pier
🤷♂️
lavish oracle
I would guess so but I don't know how much damage the new potency does
4 endurance conduits does seem like overkill, though
jagged pier
The new potency is aweful
hybrid ravine
Okay folks! Moving over to prot for 9.1. Seeing WoWhead refer to The Wall as BiS.
What’s the feeling? Is that correct? Reprise has fallen off?
blazing condor
Reprisal is what you’ll want to play generally
Its our best leggo
Wall is fine too. But its worth playing with repirsal
Once you learn it properly
(Which isnt that hard)
jagged pier
Okay folks! Moving over to prot for 9.1. Seeing WoWhead refer to The Wall as BiS...
Reprisal is better in all situations if played correctly
ebon stratus
NF or Kyrian for a casual M+ tank? (switching to Prot for 9.1)
jagged pier
I mean just reading the wowhead guide it actually states u want to craft reprisal first @hybrid ravine
jagged pier
NF or Kyrian for a casual M+ tank? (switching to Prot for 9.1)
Dont matter
hybrid ravine
I’m actually referring to the recent 9.1 shard of domination guide
bright flax
I mean just reading the wowhead guide it actually states u want to craft reprisa...
The recraft article confused a lot of ppl in my guild
bright flax
They're taking it as this is the bis we need
hybrid ravine
hybrid ravine
They're taking it as this is the bis we need
That’s actually how I read it too 😄
bright flax
https://www.wowhead.com/news/legendaries-to-recraft-for-patch-9-1-advice-from-wo...
Exactly this. Ppl are reading sideways or just want straight answers instead of going for the guide.
The lack of reprisal there is whats causing some confusion I guess
sinful pivot
Who knows how mikanikos is gonna go live, and Bron is a mess rn, but kyrian is looking better than NF
jagged pier
What? All it states is u need to move the wall to cloak
We arent changing reprisal slot
So why would it be in the recraft list?????
🤔
Also why are u reading the recraft list instead of i dunno the class guide for a leggo list
bright flax
Because it popped up in the news channel
sinful pivot
BTW, when people mention 80-90% uptime on shield block, it's without the middle talent on last row, right? Because I have 100% uptime every dungeon with it
bright flax
Im just explaining the thought process, got my reprisal more than ready, but the recraft article did confuse some peeps :(
Im more sad about recrafting all bdk stuff but thats off topic
heavy gate
Hey all, Im new to prot and wondered if anyone has any tips for me or anything, Currently saving my soul ash for the reprisal leggo when i can get it as I cant yet. Or do u think itts worth me buying a different one? Thanks!
heavy gate
Oh lmao, is it that good yes?
heavy gate
I havent unlocked twisting corridors yet 😦
bright flax
what's the lego? reprisal
but I have the wall do I recraft? sure if you want it but you can use reprisal in raids
when was reprisal good in raids? since 9.0.5 when it was reworked
what's the covenant to go? Anything you want
Oh but isn't X best? sure sure if you can use it 100%, they all have pros and cons. Kyrian >= NF > rest but play what you want
My guild wants me to go necro, what do? Are you in a HoF guild? top 100 - 200? tell them to smoke less and you might consider, play what you want
blazing condor
P much
heavy gate
Oh ok thanks.
bright flax
joined this discord 3 or 4 days ago, all I had to do was wait, check pins, check faq and keep getting reminded by everyone joining in to ask the same questions. quite funny for me, quite sad for the ones that keep repeating the same stuff 😛
heavy gate
Seems fun to play aswell tbh
jagged pier
what's the lego? reprisal
but I have the wall do I recraft? sure if you want it ...
This is a SF day to day we arent going insane a swear
heavy gate
dashing around the place
If ive unlocked twisting corridors on another char
will it be unlocked on my others?
jagged pier
Yes
heavy gate
Pog
jagged pier
Has to be layer 3 to get a leggo
And to reroll the floor u need to do the fisrt 3 floor before leaving
bright flax
what? since when? I just went in and out until I had what I wanted 😐
jagged pier
Someone said it the other day, i havent been in TC since week one when i finished it
🤷
sinful pivot
Kir4g with the best tldr yet
jagged pier
^
orchid frigate
ugh was so long time since we got into a new season that i've forgotten how it works. i guess important thing this week is to do at least a +18 in order to get a +15 key s2?
and after next reset there will be a loot ilvl cap so theres no need to do more than +7's besides (at least) one +15 or +14?
orchid frigate
ah thanks
dreamy rain
ahh... true so we cappet on +7 keys for two weeks right? (for max ilvl)
jagged pier
From ilvl dropped from the key
U still want to do 14/15 for the vault reward after week 1 if i remeber correctly
dreamy rain
@jagged pier im currently starting a new warrior on horde 🙂 so im 165ilvl... i dont think im gona do 14/15s soon :p any tipps for a good start in 9.1?
all i do is catching up renown .... renown haunts me in my dreams now :pepesad:
sacred pollen
hmmm Necro leggo vs Reprisal for 9.1 mythic+?
jagged pier
Reprisal 100%
sacred pollen
Maybe for lower keys? To do them faster? Just trying to figure out a scenario for which necro leggo will be worth crafting
dreamy rain
@jagged pier yeah but im not :p
jagged pier
If your doing that u go for seismic
sacred pollen
With proper party comp the overall party damage should be higher with necro than with seismic right? Or am I delusional
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> yeah but im not :p
Then just play the game not much u can do apart from that to grt a good start
jagged pier
With proper party comp the overall party damage should be higher with necro than...
Over a while dungeon no way
Probably around the same
But necro leggo is only like 700 dps increase now instead of like 500
Its not that big
sacred pollen
buff boi dreams shattered
jagged pier
I dont think that dream ever exsisted its always been 'not that good' and to much of a hassle to pull off correctly 100% of the time
And as u only extend the buff on yourself its just kinda eh
ancient monolith
and after next reset there will be a loot ilvl cap so theres no need to do more ...
wait could you or someone develop this? on first week of S2 if we do a 15+ do we get 7+ worth of loot both at dungeon and vault?
strong forum
First week loot will be capped for the end of dungeon chest
So people can't grind heroic ilvl gear endlessly
Vault will be regularly handled
ancient monolith
Did Blizz say for how long?
ancient monolith
ah
jagged pier
Because otherwise u can out gear hc before its out
ancient monolith
I mean you gotta do what you can for the race for the World First clear am I right?
strong forum
Season starts with Normal + heroic raid open and capped m+ rewards
Then 1 week later mythic raid opens and m+ is uncapped
There will be a bluepost coming up soon
topaz dragon
Droptimizer is retarded. Why can't a sim with DPS trinkets?
strong forum
Need to enable cross spec loot? Idk
sick sentinel
flask of power went from about 300g to 550g, makes me not as much want to run keys lol
strong forum
Yea consumables are gonna rise in prices now
Cuz the new raid is opening soon tm so people are starting to hoard
jagged pier
You also dont need consumes for keys until u hit the higher lvls tbh
sick sentinel
yup, if i can't afford consooms easily from WQ, eh i dunno man
not going to be a very fun time
jagged pier
Anyway onto the fun stuff its a new tier so i need a new race to play what should it be?
sick sentinel
you don't have to, but i think its expected that at the very minimum you eat the feast or get a food buff for a 15 key
unwritten rule
blazing condor
Jakey you a panda now right?
jagged pier
Yer
blazing condor
Go rocket jump n shit
jagged pier
Unironically vulp is top of the list
jagged pier
Jakey el goblino
That 1 race i will never play
sick sentinel
why do i have to reroll to furry fox thing star fox
jagged pier
U dont?
sick sentinel
well, its best race right? lol
jagged pier
I mean for horde it hardly matters tbh
blazing condor
””””””””best”””””””
sick sentinel
im aware its literal a 0.5% increase dps/whatever, i just always stuck with the cow man (very very early on it was dwarf/human, remove stun and triple hard to find removals {b/p/d} are fucking phenomenal)
circle stomp i don't have to turn around for, like with bolt or shockwave, which can miss due to poor positioning
jagged pier
Tauren cant run through door though 🤔
jagged pier
We get stunned in dungeons now a days?
crimson furnace
tired of tauren
sick sentinel
i don't want to resist the stuns i want to be able to remove it at a critical time
jagged pier
Yer thats the problem im.bored if orc fmale, taruen and blef fmale, and im getting bored of panda, need a new race
sick sentinel
cuz you literal cant do shit all when stunned except provide passive buffs, may as well be dead
orchid frigate
female orc is bis
jagged pier
When do we get stunned?
orchid frigate
(for the looks)
jagged pier
Like i cant think of a single time
sick sentinel
not often, but the rare times it does happen and you cant do your shit and taunt
got stunned for 8 seconds
topaz dragon
Question, if I wanted a pumping ST leggo, what get? Signet of anchient memes?
jagged pier
No on ST BV is better
topaz dragon
:O
jagged pier
Parses are down to much more than your leggo
sick sentinel
like, for instance, on jes howlis, when i was human in tol dagor at start of BFA you could just every man the stun, and start dpsing him right away
topaz dragon
We learnin
tame jasper
flask of power went from about 300g to 550g, makes me not as much want to run ke...
I have multiple stacks in my bank for S2 😄
sick sentinel
that everyman is REDICULOUS handy
jagged pier
There so much to them, your group, kill time, your own play, buffs etc etc
topaz dragon
I think if I had vessel I could be higher, currently hitting 70% on Sludge
jagged pier
Vessel is not going to get you that high
topaz dragon
anyway, last week of this shit I think, cant wait for next tier.
sick sentinel
i'm having next to no issues with sanguine too
jagged pier
Your kill time could be off so u dont execute into the damage increase
sick sentinel
there was like, 1 dude in 2 dungeons that got fully healed,
jagged pier
As i said so many factors to loggig its rediculous
topaz dragon
true
I did potato and not excecute for like 10 seconds
Like I said, we learnin. Just a simple BDK swapping specs
mild jolt
i have a BloodSclae 220 a Phial of Putrefaction 226
out of my fault i got Bladedancer's Armor and Pulsating Stoneheart on 226.
am i right, that these are useless for me?
jagged pier
They are useless yes
odd nimbus
hey i have one question,i really cant decide on my secondary stats, i have 27 percent versa and 20 percent haste dont know should it increase my haste a little bit or not?like 27 percent is't a little too much?
mild jolt
They are useless yes
k, had the right feeling, thanks
jagged pier
Whatever your highest ilvl is u equip it stats means very very little if u want more of something its haste @odd nimbus
mild jolt
hey i have one question,i really cant decide on my secondary stats, i have 27 pe...
my knowledge is; Take the higher item level. The STR increase is more worth than the secondary stats
mild jolt
hey i have one question,i really cant decide on my secondary stats, i have 27 pe...
my 223 Prot hase a shitload of haste and crit, and it works good, since even crit is benifical with increased parry
odd nimbus
how much versa is enough if you can increase your haste in price of versa?like for gems enchants
jagged pier
0%
Stats dont matter
Nerf did 25s at 9% vers
U do not need it
U dont scarfice ilvl for stats
odd nimbus
you see im not sacrificing item level i just have this option to get more haste instead of versa and im debating if i should do that
jagged pier
U care about stats when you have 2 pieces of armour thats are the same ilvl and then u go for the one with more haste
strong forum
There's a reason why we say
Ilvl > haste > vers
jagged pier
U go for haste on rings over vers
My pointnof saying 0% was that u dont actually need it to do anything ppl seem to think j need x amount of vers to tank x content when u dont
And acceptable lvl of vers is 0
strong forum
Whatever the amount of stats you have at your highest ilvl, is enough.
General rule of thumb for enchants and gems is haste
jagged pier
^^
odd nimbus
what you thing about this combo for mythic plus?[Blood-Spattered Scale][Gluttonous Spike]
odd nimbus
can get 226 instead of [Blood-Spattered Scale] but i think this trinket is really good
odd nimbus
[Overwhelming Power Crystal][Inscrutable Quantum Device][Stone Legion Heraldry][Anima Field Emitter]
have these
which one instead of spike in your opinion?
odd nimbus
both of them are 220
strong forum
Then you can pick whichever of the 2 you prefer
odd nimbus
thanks mate
inland mesa
Do we usually get a cache heroic week that we need to grind 10 keys this coming week?
strong forum
If you fuck up sanguine any key can be hard
strong forum
Do we usually get a cache heroic week that we need to grind 10 keys this coming ...
You do get a vault, but it'll contain s1 loot and and s2 key
As soon as heroic week starts
So you only need to do 1 key the last reset before heroic week
Not 10
inland mesa
So still 226 cap, just a season 2 key
strong forum
Yes
inland mesa
Gotcha and heroic week you want to do 10 and try all 15s for the dumb split ksm
strong forum
10x15 if you wanna maximise your chances on getting a good 252
The KSM thingy is up to you
It's not really relevant for a while since valor is capped anyway
Unless you get a max scale/phial/shield literally on mythic week
jagged pier
10x14s no?
strong forum
who cares about 14 or 15 man
jagged pier
Im just saying im just saying
blazing condor
sterile rapids
Like I said, we learnin. Just a simple BDK swapping specs
How are you finding the swap? Been playing BDK, thinking of a swap to warrior for 9.1 myself. Don't wanna kite as much as my vdh does, and don't like Druid dps spec playstyles 😂
plush tendon
How are you finding the swap? Been playing BDK, thinking of a swap to warrior fo...
Im doing the same thing; was a BDK in raid for the majority of CN. But swapped to Prot War for M+. It's just more fun as of right now, you feel tankier, have more damage, and overall a more enjoyable experience
pine cypress
Sinful surge could actually be a nice little niche legendary if it only affected Bolster as well, sadness
dense hound
What soulbind would you use between kleia or forgelite for mythic plus tanking. I'm using pelagos for my pvp arms which is my primary play style but conduits don't change per spec only soul binds do.
strong forum
Mikan is gonna be quite the dmg boost
Pelagos will be a slightly more defensive pick because of the mastery gain
dense hound
Pelagos is already taken up by my arms pvp and don't want to change out conduits everytime I want to tank. So mikan is the move than?
distant crystal
can't do any path-swapping shenanigans?
do you just use maximal potency conduits for arms pvp?
dense hound
For the most part.
strong forum
Pretty sure in pvp you'd wanna run mikanikos aswell
Cuz you're gonna be running kyrian leggo + mikanikos
Kleia will only be played on necrotic weeks
bright flax
How are you finding the swap? Been playing BDK, thinking of a swap to warrior fo...
did the same swap, poor bdk benched.
seeing my hp bar stand still feels good
seeing a healer die feels like the doomsday is coming tho
wraith surge
dude im struggling way too much this week, can some1 check these logs and help me out with it
id appreciate that 🙂
wraith surge
how much do u kite?
i didnt kite anything
i dont even know what im supposed to kite in PF
modern brook
If you're not kiting and not casting
That's your problem
Having not looked at the logs at all
ebon sun
Probably kiting things out of/away from Sanguini?
wraith surge
Probably kiting things out of/away from Sanguini?
i mean ofc
ebon sun
But also if your ability usage is low, chances are your defensive uptime is also low.
jagged pier
your casts are uber fucking low then
that means u arent doing any damage
and you arent generating any rage to use for anything at all
modern brook
The point isnt "oh you're not kiting what you're supposed to" its "you're not casting any spells when you're actively tanking"
wraith surge
mhh i see, so i had to calm a little bit and instead of panick or sum sht i had to focus on my casts
ebon sun
I mean, if you’re actively tanking and not kiting, panicking isn’t gonna help anything.
jagged pier
your casts vs mine
ebon sun
Gotta land those shields slams.
modern brook
mhh i see, so i had to calm a little bit and instead of panick or sum sht i had ...
50 CPM is low, and you're chillering at 40
(total)
jagged pier
u want around 60 CPM
wraith surge
mhh so as long as i have SB up i should be fine right
cuz i felt like dying always
or do i need to reflect something in special
ebon sun
Ignore Pain is important. SR is important.
ebon sun
If he’s getting McFucked, it’s better than nothing?
modern brook
cuz i felt like dying always
I dont want to beat a dead horse, but you're feeling like you're always dying because you're not casting your spells enough to supplement your defensive rotation
inland raft
If your getting mcfucked your fucking up elsewhwre or your group is fucking up and not kicking etc
modern brook
Like honestly just press 20 more buttons a minute and if you're still feeling squishy theres other things to look at
wraith surge
yeah i just felt like playing sht
inland raft
Ip is a anti rage cap and for large tank buster smoothing only
wraith surge
i didnt know where tho
ebon sun
Ip is a anti rage cap and for large tank buster smoothing only
Yeah, so it’s better than nothing in that regard.
ebon sun
Yeah, I get that. It’s not the issue for sure.
jagged pier
your bolster?
ebon sun
I didn’t wanna make it seem like it was the issue, I’m sorry.
wraith surge
is it bad?
strong forum
With Bolster it should be 100% blocked hits
modern brook
is it bad?
w/ reprisal alone you can hit like 80% blocked hits
inland raft
Ya though i woulsnt run bolstwr anyways but thats bad
If font want to run am just run hr with reprisal
But am is bae outside super high keys
strong forum
You're not charging and intervening enough and not pressing buttons enough
Like legit
Just press 50% more buttons
You're missing a ton of dmg and rage
Because of this reason
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
There was a nice image I saw a few days ago
strong forum
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
Pogging so hard
modern brook
Warrior especially is a big feedback loop
so just like playing the class is really important and you cant really afford to hold things
ITs why you just hammer shield slam every time it lights up
inland raft
While thwre is somw truth to lining stuff up, it takws so much micromanaging to determine when irs worth to hold and when its not for extremely small gains that its better to get stuff on cd 99%
modern brook
While thwre is somw truth to lining stuff up, it takws so much micromanaging to ...
TBH you should be alligning pulls to CDs not the otherway around
wraith surge
ITs why you just hammer shield slam every time it lights up
ive been trying to use LS on cd
to use that juicy SB
strong forum
I wouldn't Play Bolster with reprisal
modern brook
Like you should be entering the dungeon knowing where your combusts /avatars/wild spirits etc are being used
strong forum
Ever
inland raft
Ya as i said id run am but id dont want am just run hr
brittle silo
Like you should be entering the dungeon knowing where your combusts /avatars/wil...
run AM, pop avatars every pull kek
modern brook
run AM, pop avatars every pull kek
honestly why firemage is so good
inland raft
No reason not to run am though outside high keys
wraith surge
isnt that SB really good?
modern brook
turns out having a fatty combust every minute lines up to roughly every pull
inland raft
Reprisal gives you super good sb uptime already
brittle silo
turns out having a fatty combust every minute lines up to roughly every pull
Recklessness is every minute too, but somehow fury isnt picked. But yea, big dmg cd each minute is too good to pass on that
strong forum
You already get over 80% block uptime from reprisal alone
signal nymph
what COVENANT you guys go for if you are "main dps but also tank when necessary"?
modern brook
turns out being uncapped is also a big deal
strong forum
what COVENANT you guys go for if you are "main dps but also tank when necessary"...
Always reprisal
Oh covenant
brittle silo
what COVENANT you guys go for if you are "main dps but also tank when necessary"...
Oh cov? I run NF
modern brook
Whatever your DPS spec needs
strong forum
Nf
modern brook
prot doesnt care
strong forum
But yeah, whatever your dps cov is
inland raft
Am is more dam and more shield walls, hr is more ragw so more damage but not as much as am and super high sb uptime, bolster kinda doesnt have a spot even if turtling
strong forum
Is good enough for prot
signal nymph
and if you go Venthyr do you actualy use Condemn when available?
modern brook
yes
strong forum
Only on 3 or less targets
modern brook
^
signal nymph
cool
wise rivet
sorry to interrupt you guys but a quickshot question here: reprise leggo still goes on legs?
inland raft
Execute go brr
modern brook
legs yeah
strong forum
Yes sepir
wise rivet
ty
signal nymph
so it is good as a defensive too
modern brook
so it is good as a defensive too
condemn? no
its just better rage usage than ip
which isnt saying much
strong forum
It's not a good defensive, but it's a waste to press IP compared to condemn
sick sentinel
Sorry again y’all, what’s stats on reprisal leggo?
modern brook
Sorry again y’all, what’s stats on reprisal leggo?
haste verse
inland raft
Haste vers
sick sentinel
cheers
inland raft
Crit mastery
signal nymph
so it is like "instead shielding me a little, let me do some damage"
strong forum
I have enchanted and socketed mastery
inland raft
Mastery is low key insane
strong forum
I'm omega cool
inland raft
I stack it myself tbh
strong forum
so it is like "instead shielding me a little, let me do some damage"
Yes
inland raft
But i atill run haste vers on leggo
modern brook
so it is like "instead shielding me a little, let me do some damage"
condemn says "let me dump 40 rage into an execute that also gives me DR and CDR" instead of "let me dump 40 rage into CDR"
strong forum
If survival is accomplished, go for max dmg
That's the general rule of tanking
Or well, should be
inland raft
Did i live? If yes do more dam
jagged pier
inland raft
Did i die? If yes could i have done something better? If yes (which is likely the answer) fix and do more damage
elfin nova
What we need is an ability called
Give pain
40 rage off gcd does damage to the target
rancid ember
Random Question does anyone know how much % the lieutenants count for in 9.1? Are they all valued the same or diff like Awakened was in bfa?
modern brook
do they give %?
rancid ember
Awakened mobs did, so I imagine they will
elfin nova
Last i heard they gave no count
solemn pasture
No count
elfin nova
But that was some weeks ago
modern brook
i thought it was no count too but im not really following it that closely
rancid ember
Confirmed @solemn pasture ?
solemn pasture
As of last build it was still no count
rancid ember
kk ty
modern brook
As of last build it was still no count
they'll probably give % by the end of the season tbh
ppl always complain about killing extra stuff
modern brook
yah
solemn pasture
I assume it all depends on if high pushers skip
inland raft
At least now we arent on that did the pug asspull and fuck up the entire run?
modern brook
You can finally play the keys mostly normally
routing gunna be REAL weird
strong forum
Without that "fuck this guy spawns at the wrong time and it's a wipe"
modern brook
looking forward to skipping the entire first part of mists
inland raft
Routing it really gonna be skip slow guy if pushonf high keys and ter then that get % while getting buffs as early as possible
So much nicer then all the shenanigans has to deal with before
modern brook
I liked prideful ngl
strong forum
blazing condor
Wtb pandaria shit
modern brook
Wow is really missing challening solo content
jagged pier
i would rather have CMs back tbh
modern brook
cause the worst part of wow is pugging
blazing condor
Cm was good in pandaland
jagged pier
they were good in WoD
mage tower was a bit boring after u had done the scenario and knew what to do
like i did every class so i knew what was gunna happen in each one
😴
solemn pasture
We need 10 man mythic so everyone can get a mythic guild going. I cant imagine how people stick around if all they do is heroic pug life
modern brook
"I redid the content 28 times" is not as good an evidence towards being boring as you think tbh
jagged pier
10 man raiding doesnt work unless its flex
cata 10man hc showed that
u needed the same amount of intuprts and cds etc as the 25 mans did
modern brook
arent new raids flex now anyways just with the floor scaled to 20
jagged pier
mythic is scale to 20 but thats my point they scale it around u having that many
solemn pasture
Im pretty sure iteorkd. Just keep 10 man harder than 20 as it was
jagged pier
and because its mythic they can say like u need 2 disc priests etc like with blast furnace
latent laurel
Hey is the cheat sheet for covs still relevant
latent laurel
pog
elfin nova
I had most fun playing venthyr i think
modern brook
👍
elfin nova
But I'm not going to play that, it's for sure a soft int
modern brook
👎
maiden ravine
I know it's way too late to care, but I'm kinda sad the new Venthyr legendary affects Last Stand instead of Shield Wall, though with Bolster it's pretty nice.
jagged pier
it doesnt affect bolster
maiden ravine
oh, then even more boooooooo
pine cypress
Its a troll laugh in legendary form for prot
jagged pier
doesnt do the conduit ither
flat nymph
any reason in particular some players are taking ITF and heavy repurcussions in high keys atm? Just more SB uptime?
modern brook
p much
maiden ravine
and here I was hoping there'd be some sort of bone thrown to one of the weaker prot covenants haha
modern brook
I havent seen ITF tbh
but i think HR is more uptime/less rage dedicated to sbs or something idr
hardy siren
Anyone else thinking Kleia might be pretty good now? (thinking about M+ not raiding)
modern brook
i mean
I imagine haste from ITF makes HR slightly more efficient
just cause you get more SS resets
flat nymph
pretty spicy
modern brook
honestly seems low value to me
But ihavent really been tanking anything spooky lately so
grain of salt
flat nymph
Yeah true, I just thought it was interesting. Chinese players are always trying new things though haha
jagged pier
the ups of the HR build
100% uptime on SB
but
u loose damage
u loose SW CDR
and u only get like 10-20% more blocked hits over a dungeon
blazing condor
I personally like the haste from itf as well
Ravager isnt necessary imo
But thats just my playstyle
elfin nova
it feels good to play because it means you don't have to think
flat nymph
I'll have to give it a go, I like not thinking
blazing condor
Also that
Just spam shield slam
And you will never have to worry about shield block
In high dungeons i like not having to focus much on my buttons
elfin nova
if you're not pushing high keys it's definitely overkill on the survivability though
blazing condor
Just try shit out and see how it feels. #1 rio prot warr plays it all dungeons but id recommend playing rav/am on magic heavy dungeons
Cus the SW do be nice doe
But yes. Its just a thing he did for 25s
flat nymph
Yeah cool thanks alot 🙂
flat nymph
You're in the wrong channel, all the copium is supplied in the arms channel
modern brook
i still play wall + AM cause nothing i do matters and Shield wall gives me spinny shields.
blazing condor
Nothing any of us do matters in this shithole of a life
ebon sun
but no, 187 ezpz
blazing condor
modern brook
I ran a 131 shield well into overall ilvl of 210
jagged pier
i still play wall + AM cause nothing i do matters and Shield wall gives me spinn...
but u could do more DAMAGJ
ebon sun
Dameej good.
jagged pier
all u need for that is SB
jagged pier
modern brook
I feel I have to qualify for any lurkers that i am memeing, and while the Wall is perfectly serviceable as a leggo you should always be running Reprisal unless theres a very good reason not to be
I just ended up dumping all my dust into arms pvp leggos to mess around with
sweet summit
modern brook
jagged pier
strong forum
i still have like 3 bases in my inventory
maybe its a good time to sell the base items again
pogging
rancid ember
Yeah that's crazy lol 300k fucking lul
modern brook
he bad slots are now the good slots smh
and vice versa
i honestly aint crafting shit until dom sockets become relevent to me
hopefully thats later than my ignorance is telling me it is
rancid ember
Ve'nari 9.0 sockets on Lego gear will carry over to R5 and R6 I'm sure right?
ebon sun
Idk man I’m baby WOYER
ebon sun
Right yeah, I’m definitely rebuilding once I get domination stuff.
ebon sun
Ah yes.
strong forum
strong forum
what realmpool is it
cuz its not a server of its own, so it cant be one of the big ones
ah found it
US server
sick sentinel
Hello again people! Got a questions(i searched a bit but cant find a clear answer). Witch weapon enhancement is better for tanking? M+/Raid: Weightstones / Shadowcore Oil/ Embalmers Oil? THank you
strong forum
just slap on shadowcore and forget about it
aswell as celestial guidance
the difference in enchants and oil is sub 1%
modern brook
Lightness force gives me tdev flashbacks so I run thay
strong forum
celestial makes you tankier, people like that
sick sentinel
thank you for the answers:D
timid urchin
a
strong forum
kek i just noticed in my bags that i have a leggo power lying around in there for months and months
spring rivet
is reprisal still better than wall if you don't play around it and don't use charge/intervene any more than default? i.e. you put on reprisal and forget about it?
strong forum
pretty sure you can answer that yourself
"if i dont do anything that is required for the legendary to work, is it better than a legendary that works passively?"
modern brook
thats like asking "is AM still worth it if i only press SW every 4 minutes// avatar every 90 anyways"
spring rivet
well i asked because normal prot gameplay involves occasional charging and intervening anyway so perhaps if the benefit was big enough it would be worth it regardless but guess not. thanks
strong forum
the minimum you can do is use intervene on CD
i recommend playing reprisal regardless, its very powerful if you can utilise it properly
but wall is obv usable, but just suboptimal albeit easier to play
cinder nova
What was the undocumented Bron change for Mikanikos?
strong forum
it now tracks dmg events from abilities
rather than just "lol maybe i count maybe i dont"
cinder nova
Doesn't he already do more than Korayn just slightly? 🤔
modern brook
Just like half the raid team
strong forum
bron did FUCKALL because it took so long to spawn him
now it only takes like 30seconds
so he has like 50% uptime
but i cant tell you how much dmg or healing he actually does cuz ther are like 3 people in the world who actually used him
actually ima test on live
brb
signal prairie
When are we going to be able to do m plus for the next seasonal affix?
strong forum
in 2 weeks
@cinder nova
took me over 2min to spawn him
and he did just above 12k dmg
🙂
strong forum
only for tmog runs
bron did ~60dps there
now given that he will have 50% uptime
roughly
he will actually do decent dps
modern brook
like a medicore trinket ~
strong forum
rn he had what
2.5min to spawn
then up for 30ish sec
so less than 20% uptime
he will do like 200 dps?
pretty aight if you ask me
and he heals too
modern brook
I misread your numbers
pine cypress
What happens with Valor that we currently have when S2 starts?
modern brook
It continues to be useless
pine cypress
Do we keep it? or is it converted to gold?
modern brook
Converted to silver most likely
sterile rapids
did the same swap, poor bdk benched.
seeing my hp bar stand still feels good
Oh, that's a good shout. I've gotten used to soloing bosses on my dh and BDK when the rest of the party die. Not a thing for warrior. Hmmmmm.
chilly brook
@modern brook but spinny shield look cool
modern brook
I'm saying bro
amber herald
how exactly do domination sockets work?
oak lotus
Hmm tough question here. What do you guys think about the NF vs Kyrian deal. I can't make up my mind. I am currently playing NF, I love ancient shock with the 12 seconds of ''nothing really happens to you''. Here's what I'm thinking. Kyrian feels like it will be alot more dps with mekanikos with the (45 seconds? ish cd unless it's even lower). BUT. I always play fury warrior. Feels like NF is ahead and adds value to having a fury warrior in your group. (I play fury warrior like 30% of the time) What is making you pick kyrian over night fae? ( mostly pug with my healer friend so ''having'' a kyrian isn't really the issue. Although, I've had runs where I couldn't find kyrians to fill the spot.
cedar spear
Hey, is there any fight where having two prot warris would be a a noticeable disadvantage for a top 400 guild? I would like to reroll to warri for next tier (for m+ reasons) but we already have another one
strong forum
Hey, is there any fight where having two prot warris would be a a noticeable dis...
Can't think of a scenario that would make it terrible, it would have to be an 80%+ magic dmg profile boss
tanks not surviving is never an issue outside of a player skill issue
winged wind
Do we stick to Pelegos or are the other soulbinds stronger as Kyrian
topaz dragon
How are you finding the swap? Been playing BDK, thinking of a swap to warrior fo...
Exactly like August says, More tanky, More fun. Sadly I feel blizzard do not know what they want to do with DK and it shows. Warrior is fun, will probably play it for the tier and see how we go :)
strong forum
blizz is haunted by tanks actually performing well
ever since m+ they dont know what they want to do with tanks
bright flax
its the thought of breaking the tank healer dps trinity
strong forum
no, its the "tank X was strong so we fucking destroy it"
and dont want tanks to actually have fun at the game
sterile rapids
Was surprised to see the 9.1 warrior change write-up said that prot war was struggling to compete with the middle of the pack (no clarification given on m+ or raid, so assuming both) with no reason to believe that would change. From all I've seen and heard, warrior is performing really nicely in the damage department in M+?
sterile rapids
topaz dragon
Half of BDK damage is melee whiteswings :)
strong forum
BDK, VDH and Pwar ST dmg is abysmal
monk is aight
guardian has a high skill ceiling and dmg ceiling, and pally is just nuts
topaz dragon
Trying to compete with my PPally is impossible
strong forum
yes
PSA: If youre doing more damage than your Prot Paladin cotank, he fucking SUCKS.
sterile rapids
😂
strong forum
thank you for listening
oak lotus
Lmao. Sounds about right tho
strong forum
its literal facts
there should NOT be a single scenario where you can beat a paladin in raid dps
sterile rapids
How are you all feeling in M+ though? I'm still levelling my pwar, so not there yet, just had good impressions from what I'd seen/heard about where they were. Don't like the DPS specs of druids for when off-speccing, don't like the kiting of DH, don't like the yo-yo squish-splat of BDK, so warrior seemed like a good compromise of less kiting and what I was led to believe was good damage!
mighty valley
Last I checked prot war damage is still kinda middle of the road for m+ but the gap is smaller
strong forum
good dmg comes from playing well, the gap in m+ dmg is basically non existant on high keys
every good tank does 4-5k overall dps in keys
sturdy sable
You still find people who tank that think doing more damage=less defensiveness
strong forum
alot of them
sturdy sable
Its something i routinely educate people on
sterile rapids
You still find people who tank that think doing more damage=less defensiveness
Is that not kind of the case with pwar, since you're either doing revenge damage or IP?
strong forum
are led to believe that turtling is the way to play, cuz they dont know any better or are roleplaying
sterile rapids
Or oh, you mean the mentality of not trying to do damage to kill the pack quicker?
mighty valley
it's really rare that it's smart to drop revenges for extra IP
strong forum
^
strong forum
very rarely do you prioritise pumping rage into IP, only dumb/bad people do that
you gotta find a healthy balance
sterile rapids
Doesn't scale at all well at high level?
mighty valley
If you're just using IP to avoid overcapping, you're probably doing IP enough
sterile rapids
Surprised the absorb amount doesn't scale with stats though.
sweet summit
scales with attack power and versatility if thats what you mean
sterile rapids
Ah
strong forum
not to relevant amounts
might i add
you wont suddenly get alot more bang for your buck by hard stacking vers
sweet summit
[(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)]
sterile rapids
Will stop using it so much as I level then, so I don't get too into the habit. Been useful in levelling dungeons, where you struggle with the stats and rage more, and healers don't expect you to actually take damage.
strong forum
dont use IP whilst leveling
literally waste of a button
costs way too much rage
for how little you generate
the class only starts playing well once you have good ilvl at max level
and once you have reprisal
sterile rapids
the class only starts playing well once you have good ilvl at max level
So the age ol' warrior scaling thing? (Haven't played warrior properly since vanilla-wotlk)
strong forum
its not scaling
sweet summit
scaling isnt a thing anymore like it was back then
strong forum
its moreso, have a hard time to get going
sweet summit
now everyone scales with tuning patches
distant crystal
huh
strong forum
i dont think K values will apply already
distant crystal
oh yeah it'll be S1 postseason in M+
i was just meaning like all classes/specs throughput on avg
distant crystal
literally all of the things
strong forum
and thats kinda it
distant crystal
i think it's supposed to be lower st better spread cleave
strong forum
theyre nerfing malefic rupture
modern brook
Affli and fire will be fine
modern brook
Definitely not
strong forum
buffing corruptio and shadowbolt, reworking shadows embrace to only work on 1 target and buffing seed of corruption
Fire will still be fine
modern brook
Frost probably edges it out but fire is still very good
modern brook
Waat do you mean
strong forum
the only thing im expecting is:
with mythic week, shadow priests will be nerfed
thats about it
and maybe an honorary 3% buff to arms
strong forum
cuz they love those shitty buffs
strong forum
hpal dmg nerfed by irrelevant amounts
distant crystal
disc is p gutted hpal is still prob slightly OP lol
strong forum
disc will still be really good
and they will go kyrian, and have boon of archon on a 1min CD instead of 3min CD, thus they will be really good
distant crystal
plus there will be a lot of renown 1 gamers
first week
just thinking about our attempt at a sire rekill next week mostly 😮
south nexus
is there a prot warrior dps guide? struggling to get past the 3.5k overall dps mark in Mythics
austere wedge
is there a prot warrior dps guide? struggling to get past the 3.5k overall dps m...
What key lvl u talking about?
dull zinc
south nexus
15s