guys sorry if this has been asked a million times before am I recrafting Wall and Reprisal on belt for 9.1 ?
#protection
zenith monolith
sweet summit
reprisal leg
wall cloak
zenith monolith
ah ok, sorry doing Brm at the same time, confused the two
for Mythic raiding should I Wall > Reprisal or doesn't matter ?
sweet summit
reprisal>wall
ember token
I actually dont use wall anymore, sure its farm but I find it really weird when I dont have it
jagged pier
I havent used the wall since 9.0.5
strong forum
Saem
zenith monolith
so any point in recrafting it then?
zenith monolith
fair
ember token
I have to change to legs now and if Wall ever gets used - to cloak
strong forum
Virgin reprisal feet crafter vs chad reprisal legs owner
jagged pier
Well not necessarily, u need to get shoulders to drop with a socket
U might get helm instead
🤷♂️
ember token
Cant help when your GV gives you 233 legs with leech after first kill
Head = socket so keeping it on cloak I guess
strong forum
LEECH 
cinder nova
YES
FUCK
I BEAT MY RIVAL ON M+
I just need to hold my lead for the week
And I'll have cemented my SUPERIORITY
plain hornet
I just read that sorry xD
fickle ingot
<:seanbee:836829660016803860>
Why you keep using this
sweet summit
jagged pier
carmine prawn
anyone tested the difference between new NF and kyrian soulbind skills? is there anything that makes a covenant standing out more in 9.1?
jagged pier
40 sec cd on spear seems pretty nutty in m+ tbh but havent tested anything
ionic fern
No.
ionic fern
It's Mikas final bind
That provides us with a lower cd on spear depending on targets hit.
Which reminds me - reprisal sims soooon ™️
sweet summit
sour notch
what's the best legendary for 9.1
jagged pier
Reprisal
jagged pier
Legit soon
sweet summit
mental scarab
Spear trolling in pvp again 
jagged pier
With kyrian leggo spear is 📈 for pvp
rotund thicket
how do you guys pull the stalkers in soa without getting stunned to death?
jolly granite
The aoe talent, throwing your weapon. Or ground aoe effect of a dps and than charge in. But I’m sure there are more elegant ways.
amber herald
ravager and get the dps to do it
jolly granite
Ravager long time no see my warri
mellow bridge
you can usually get one pack out with a well placed TC thanks to the extra range talent
and the other with ravager/spear
dark tree
is there a detailed guide on legendary crafting for protection warrior, i dont know which slot to craft
proud carbon
afaik this is accurate
rigid valve
Wall on cloak and reprisal on pants and yes the plate part is accurate.
median tulip
Which slots can the Kyrian legendary be on?
coral sierra
Probably the H is the high ilvl gear from the last bosses and the DS are the sockets
cedar spear
how do you guys pull the stalkers in soa without getting stunned to death?
If you are playing with a Paladin you can run through them with a BoP. Other than that increased range on Clap makes it easier to get them out of stealth.
mellow bridge
What do the colors represent? Stat distro?
green = no issue at all
yellow = high level
red domination socket (+ high level possible)
desert solstice
So why are we refracting Rep to leg spot?
primal nimbus
Because sylvanas drops feet for plate
mellow bridge
if youre not killing Sylv in a timely manner on myth, it wont matter
but why wouldnt you have had reprisal on legs in the first place
median tulip
Tbh for most people I doubt it matters what Sylvanas drops in Mythic mode; legs have higher stat budget regardless
mellow bridge
yep
sick sentinel
do i even want to know the affixes for this week
sick sentinel
sanguine, whatever unless casters
quaking, wtf can you do, if they stack it on you, you die
last 2 weeks were hell in my opinion, have to kite for over 10 seconds mid way into each big pull, week before that if you don't mitigate well or stand in shit you bleed out until death, ugh, "it's not my final fantasy to play that game" as my borther said once
i'll take ANYTHING over that shit
tame jasper
Imo worst affix is storming, rly looking forward to its changes
plush tendon
What is the optimal key level to do this week to ensure a 15 and 14 for the next two weeks?
Cause they usually do X key level downgrade going into the new tier
mellow bridge
iirc the downgrade wont be next week but the week after
it should go down by like 4 levels
so if you want a 15 in the hc week, you should be safe if you do a 20 now
plush tendon
ok, that is what we were thinking
mellow bridge
so next week youd have a 19 and then once the season starts, it goes down by 3-4 levles
plush tendon
looking like I got to drag the bois outta Karazhan
mellow bridge
same
plush tendon
including myself XD
modern brook
In before it get reverted like necro
didnt it already get reverted
modern brook
Cause they usually do X key level downgrade going into the new tier
BFA into SL they didnt give keys out
As this is the first season shift we dont really know if they're going to be doing a key downgrade or no-key given again
but if its a downgrade its usually 4 ish so you're looking at a 19/20, as muyuu said
distant crystal
20 this week easier than 19 next
modern brook
20 this week easier than 19 next
isnt next week patch?
distant crystal
if the season doesn't start until week after
distant crystal
but even if it does, point stands :p
jagged pier
didnt it already get reverted
Thats why i said like necro as it has already been reverted
modern brook
Oh i thought storming was reverted already too
true cairn
What slot should the legendary "The Wall" be crafted in after next patch atm i have it on shoulders? and what i can see the stats wise for domination gear is Shoulders chest and hands Stats Haste Vers.
sweet summit
if youre going to use the wall, craft it on cloak with haste/vers
youre more likely to use reprisal, even in raid, though. and reprisal goes on legs (sylvanas drops great high ilvl boots)
true cairn
i got Reprisal on legs its was just only on "The Wall" i was curious about
olive merlin
Will necro be the play for 9.1? kinda hoping my Kyrian choice wasn't a bust
sweet summit
kyrian>=nf>necro
unique shale
Hi
sweet summit
hey
unique shale
What is happening with lego slots 😦
sweet summit
domination sockets
modern brook
Dom socks
true cairn
@sweet summit do we know what slots we need for Domination gear? or do we need all of them?
true cairn
okay danm
sweet summit
terrible system
true cairn
what about what shards? Frost, Unholy or blood is for tank?
sweet summit
"hey we dont like that tier sets are keeping slots taken for an entire patch"
proceeds to make azerite gear and now domination sockets 🤡
unholy is the damage procs i think
so those
true cairn
and defensive wise?
true cairn
okay
modern brook
and defensive wise?
u use shield block :^)
sweet summit
im too busy playing tbc to read up on it 
true cairn
i do but ift there was some specific tank there was need to have
sweet summit
it will be covered in the guides/pins when its relevant 👍
true cairn
sure buddy and thx!
sweet summit
jagged pier
Gold check?
sweet summit
10
jagged pier
Oof
sweet summit
got speed flying
jagged pier
POG
sweet summit
YES
jagged pier
1k off and still have netherstorm and shadowmoon to quest
But kara run tonight
After killing sire yesterday feelsgoodman
jagged pier
As usual
sick sentinel
Imo worst affix is storming, rly looking forward to its changes
it only ever really got to me on bosses that never move and you have to be in melee range or you wipe like TOP
and made melee dps life hell
i think the tornadoe should be more random patterns maybe zig zag, or there is a 3rd type that follows a player, lasts longer but is much slower
blazing condor
Big ups if youre still progging sire rn
sick sentinel
if they are going to make it all impossible bs just make it impossible bs lol
blazing condor
Most guilds have quit that shit
plush tendon
got speed flying
If you do the conversion on the WoW Market (retail gold to TBC gold conversion); the gold spent on fast flying in TBC is equivalent to like $350 US
sweet summit
i couldve been rich
plush tendon
I know guildies who got the gold for speed flying, then traded it all away for retail gold and tokens
plush tendon
Its actually kind of disgusting
sick sentinel
what level keys do you have to start doing before everyone just gets humbled and learns to "STFU, pay attention and do your job" from 4/5 players minimum, like, 18/19?
strong forum
Back in my day 5k gold cost 50€
plush tendon
Now everytime shit drops, we have to think of it in dollar terms
sick sentinel
because i'd much rather do those keys, so if i gotta learn, i will
strong forum
what level keys do you have to start doing before everyone just gets humbled and...
It doesn't stop
plush tendon
"Oh wow, a rare pattern drops. Thats at least $20"
sweet summit
🤣
sick sentinel
even when people doing 21 keys they want to get cocky still?
strong forum
Yup
You will never not have cocky people or toxic ones
Especially meta classes
They get the most cocky
sick sentinel
"Technology offers us strength, strength enables dominance, and dominance paves the way for abuse."
strong forum
Woah
distant crystal
jagged pier
Big ups if youre still progging sire rn
I mean everyone in the guild is aware it should have died alot sooner, we played absolute dogshit this tier, but we do always go for it like guldan we killed 3 weeks before reset ashara a week, we just stubborn the things gunna die we just hit our heads against it until it does
plush tendon
Yea, my guild had enough after 100 pulls
The struggles of having boomers in your guild....
blazing condor
Same we got a bunch of gray-logging boomers
But its good fun to play with them
We managed 8/10 before we stopped at least
plush tendon
oh I mean, they see TBC and they jump ship
blazing condor
Happened for us too lol
plush tendon
Im now on recruitment duty cause we lost them to the Boomer Crusade
sweet summit
pallid isle
I've been doing Heroic CN tanking (10/10), and my guild is planning on pushing Mythic SoD, any big play or focus changes I should be thinking about?
grim nymph
Honestly the biggest change is mentality changes.
You can raid with only 20 people, so some will be siting.
plush tendon
I've been doing Heroic CN tanking (10/10), and my guild is planning on pushing M...
The biggest thing you can do is not die; be prepared for lots of wipes, but do your damdest not to be the reason for them. Also, be consistent pull in pull out
Also, position the boss to maximize DPS uptime, and maximize your own damage as well
pine cypress
I've sorta been out of the loop, are there any significant legendary changes happening in 9.1?
distant crystal
and learn to accept that you're gonna be bored
pallid isle
Slot changes if you raid: https://www.wowhead.com/news/legendaries-to-recraft-for-patch-9-1-advice-from-wowheads-class-writers-322953
distant crystal
because the mechanics your raid is progging will often not apply to you
sweet summit
if youre going to use the wall, craft it on cloak with haste/vers
youre more likely to use reprisal, even in raid, though. and reprisal goes on legs (sylvanas drops great high ilvl boots) @pine cypress
distant crystal
so you're just gonna be doing menial shit while everyone else learns the fight
plush tendon
so you're just gonna be doing menial shit while everyone else learns the fight
This is when you start delving into your Netflix backlog or find some good podcasts
Maybe some runescape farming
pine cypress
I have the wall, for the sake of having it, but I mainly use reprisal, so thats a bonus
pallid isle
Thanks all
pine cypress
Huh, so there is no way to put those domination sockets on legendaries?
sweet summit
nope 🤡
pine cypress
Is there anything we can do with the old legendaries other then shove it in the bank for some indeterminate amount of time?
sweet summit
nope 🤡
pine cypress
Lol, thats okay, I didnt need that bag space or soul ash anyways u.u
plush tendon
Put them in void storage, and open them up in a expansion or two
pine cypress
Oh right, void storage is a thing
sweet summit
dont think ive ever used that lol
pine cypress
I keep forgetting that it exists ><
plush tendon
Great place to hide things you want to forget about
like your first legion lego that was garbage and made you want to break a window
pine cypress
I got lucky there and got my BiS legendary first drop 😛
median robin
Anybody have an updated MDT or site with the locations of the new Mini bosses? Was hoping to play around with some routes this afternoon
plush tendon
Probably not released yet
median robin
Figured :/ oh well, it'll be a good morning of coffee and mapping next Tuesday :D
plush tendon
Also, probably not a good idea to bug Noggie bout it.... cause we all know what will happen
median robin
Haha
jagged pier
POG
sweet summit
bug or feature
plush tendon
are you telling me that Kyrian might do more damage then NF in 9.1.....
mother lovers*
blazing condor
Emissaries were kinda lame tbh
Void was just a big time killer
Cc one was just meh
The bubble one was janky
proud carbon
https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/undocumented-buff-to-bron-soulbind-trait-on-9-1-ptr...
Reminder that Mikanikos is already OP due to https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=331726/regenerating-materials 🙃
proud carbon
Let them eat cake
strong forum
Not entirely wrong that the repair is OP
The amount of durability dmg a prot's shield takes is quite something
proud carbon
legit switching to Mika on nights where Sire was lagging my guild out in p1, saved heaps 😄
That redemption arc for Bron though oh boy, going from unloved & neglected to ultimate chad 8% dps boost lol
better redemption arc than Sylvanas in 9.1
plush tendon
Im just glad Odin's Val'Kyr are back. Dem kyrian angels got nothing on them
strong forum
wdym theyre right there 
limpid pawn
how bad is condemn for prot
strong forum
depends on the situation
plka pushed +22s in 9.0 as venthyr prot before all the buffs
so, its defo not stopping you from doing X
distant kestrel
whats the best item slot to uograde to 220 with valor? shield? weapn? trink?
strong forum
shield > weapon > scale > rest
limpid pawn
yeah but it's more like despite venthyr lol
i swapped b/c of fury for 9.1
guild prog
strong forum
venthyr is one of the less beneficial covenants yes
limpid pawn
but from tanking so far it seems like venth's benefits are for sure the worst
for tanking M+
like condemn isn't the first thing i am hitting when charging into a pack
strong forum
the biggest downside to being venthyr is doing generally less overall dmg and the missing threat gen from having spear or AA
its not good, i wont recommend it to anyone ( just like necrolord ) but it wont stop you from doing X
limpid pawn
hm...
i mean i know we aren't supposed to be under 40% health a lot but that seems ok
sweet summit
nadjia 📈
draven 📉
strong forum
i mean i know we aren't supposed to be under 40% health a lot but that seems ok
youre almost never below 40%
plush tendon
I know from a BDK perspective, the new traits for Draven make him quite good
unsure how Prot Wars feel about him though
and Theotar probably is a good alternative if you need Nadjia for Fury
Nothing wrong with Umbrella mastery and Vers on Cov ability use
sweet summit
um nadija i have to use for fury
ta-da 🎉
nadjia for fury and prot
plush tendon
ta-da 🎉
nadjia for fury and prot
sweet summit
or you can be a tea drinker
does bdk like draven for his regenerative stone skin or?
strong forum
according to mandl Draven brings unnecessary amounts of EHP gain that no tank needs
and given that BDKs dmg output is incedibly bad, id say you wouldnt want to run draven for that very reason
solemn pasture
How does tea time work for condemn? Can't check in-game
sweet summit
1 min icd
rancid ember
Ty !
smoky wave
What's the best for nightfae next patch? Still koryan?
sweet summit
ya
solemn pasture
Thanks. Pretty underwhelming
limpid pawn
wow im stupid
yeah i could have done 2 paths down nadija
erga you are big brain
also is there really no point in stockpiling stygia for 9.1?
ebon sun
Do we have any idea as to which Domination pieces we'll want as Prot?
My head is spinning from all these systems.
chilly brook
Not really worth worrying too much over rn
You ideally want all the domination pieces
But again
Not worth worrying over atm
Doesn't even affect you until it even drops
sick sentinel
Speaking of Domination... such a 180 degree turn by Blizz from the the statements not long ago that you should be able to gear at least to a reasonable degree for all the 3 main late game activities through doing that particular activity. Now it's like, say hello to half of the gear slots locked into raid items far and above in power level compared to m+ rewards...
chilly brook
Except
ebon sun
I'm only asking because if we eventually want them all, my lego slot is gonna need to change.
strong forum
also is there really no point in stockpiling stygia for 9.1?
stygia is a dead currency in 9.1
solemn pasture
Yeah that is a let down because I pretty much never m+ on my main and just have an alt to m+ so raiding gear is hard to come by
strong forum
you cant buy sockets in 9.1, the option vanishes
and you can only socket Season1 items with Venari sockets
limpid pawn
solemn pasture
Only use of stygia right now is removing domination sockets
chilly brook
And cosmetics
solemn pasture
Which might not even go live
chilly brook
👀
solemn pasture
And you get it from 9.1 content
errant oriole
is the wall still going to be the go to for raid?
strong forum
hasnt been the go-to since 9.0.5
chilly brook
If you can run reprisal you run reprisal
lofty helm
fury venthyr in plus use sudden death or fresh meat?
plush tendon
according to mandl Draven brings unnecessary amounts of EHP gain that no tank ne...
Mandl has never been a fan of Draven (cant blame him, cause hes been terribad). But he is my favorite soulbind character when im venthyr
ancient monolith
Which covenants look best to raid in 9.1?
strong forum
kyrian>=nf
fresh belfry
and you can only socket Season1 items with Venari sockets
"only" but you can craft a rank 1 legendary which is a season 1 item and then upgrade it to rank 5 so keeping one in your bags is very worth it
errant oriole
would talents change with reprisal then?
limpid pawn
for raid tanking?
errant oriole
ya
limpid pawn
I think the benefits of into the fray are much better than ravager for raid
also most likely booming voice > better served col
rotund thicket
Mikanikos soulbind seems awful for tanks, at least the 3rd row, random phial with potenty conduit or knockback phial with no potenty conduit D:
limpid pawn
since more single target less hueg aoe pulls
errant oriole
guess bolster too?
limpid pawn
i think most diehards wills ay no
strong forum
AM
limpid pawn
like on denathrius you possibly need it
how many of you guys tanked mythic sire and killed it on prot war?
limpid pawn
you used AM / reprisal?
strong forum
you can also just check the pinned cheat sheet
jagged pier
you used AM / reprisal?
yes
fresh belfry
me but changing to AM/Reprisal so deep into farm its hard to say whether it wouldve been an issue on progress
fresh belfry
having shieldwall twice in p3 wasnt bad
and for when I initially planned bolster/Last stand i couldnt create an equally long shieldblock uptime for that specific part of the fight
it probably also depends on whether you play with a DH and what your job is anyway
chilly brook
how many of you guys tanked mythic sire and killed it on prot war?
Haven't killed but I'm getting over 80% blocked hits without bolster so I don't think its necessarily needed
fresh belfry
I would assume that most people play with a DH and the DH is the one taking denathrius for a walk in p2/p3
jagged pier
Haven't killed but I'm getting over 80% blocked hits without bolster so I don't ...
85% on kill i believe
let me check
yer 85%
distant crystal
DH on sire is fun
you can stand in swirlies and give everyone a heart attack
then glide back onto the platform
chilly brook
I would assume that most people play with a DH and the DH is the one taking dena...
Unfortunately no, I'm the one taking him for a walk lmao
But we have a dk as the other tank
fresh belfry
for that specifically I found both the wall and bolster very helpful but I also tank the 2nd half of p1 so I kinda need the CDR
strong forum
reprisal + AM is the same CD as wall + bolster
jagged pier
for that specifically I found both the wall and bolster very helpful but I also ...
i tank the second half of p1
🤔
chilly brook
Plenty of intervene targets
fresh belfry
consistency is king
chilly brook
^
amber herald
how powerful is the bron knockback btw?
fresh belfry
powerful in yards or?
fresh belfry
its like 8y
chilly brook
Something around that
amber herald
looks like bron spawns every 45 seconds to a minute now
I am curious how annoying that is
distant crystal
Doing first half/second half p1 seems weird lol
chilly brook
It won't likely make a difference in your gameplay
distant crystal
why not swap more and make some use of your cds tickin
fresh belfry
because back in the days long before 9.05 DH was busted and could take ALL the magic damage during the second half
just never changed it
dense hound
grim nymph
Looks like reskinned vuhdo.
fresh belfry
woudlve said vuhdo as well
grim nymph
Do I upgrade a 190 belt to 226 haste/vers or 190 shoulders to 226 haste/mast?
fresh belfry
you dont upgrade shoulders if you intent to loot and use shoulders with domination sockets in 2 weeks
grim nymph
It probably doesn't matter much since I'll be replacing it all in 2 weeks anyway lol
fresh belfry
why waste soul ash then
grim nymph
It's the weekly chest, not a legendary
fresh belfry
oh its tuesday US reset
I always forget some people dont live in the center of the world
pine cypress
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml# Is this spreadsheet still actively being worked on ?
grim nymph
I'm thinking belt since they're the same stat budget other than shoulders having slightly more armor.
strong forum
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qH...
yes
pine cypress
Excellent, that thing is magical 🙂
strong forum
I'm thinking belt since they're the same stat budget other than shoulders having...
shoulders have alot more stats than belt
distant crystal
they actually have identical stats
grim nymph
They're exactly the same stat budget other than armor
manic sage
What are your feelings about the diff between having 30% Haste 11% Versa X 25% Haste 15% Versa? I noticed that having 30% Haste lowers shield block cd to 12secs while 25% stays with 13secs
I feel like haste gives more rage, more cd uses, etc and feels a bit better, while versa "only" gives the passive dmg reduction and dmg increase (hard to feel the diff for versa imo)
Still I'm not sure which one of those two setups I got with the gear I got in my bags is better
distant crystal
prob roughly the same tbh
grim nymph
Shield block CD decreases linearly with haste. It's being rounded to the nearest integer.
distant crystal
just sim for dps and pick whichever is higher imo
strong forum
haste is our best stat for a reason
but there are no breakpoints to hit
its not like "yo i got 2% more haste and now SB is 1sec less CD"
thats not how it works
every 0.1% haste works and does contribute to lowering CDs and so on and so forth
manic sage
I see
stark sage
yeah the tooltips just round, but the actual CD is proportional directly to your haste
manic sage
I did sim DPS and having more haste seemed better for that, both in AOE and ST
stark sage
haste is epic
manic sage
So for survivability, both are quite the same in this case then?
strong forum
ilvl > haste > vers
jagged pier
which ever is highest ilvl
strong forum
but more importantly, skill > stats
stark sage
always go for ilvl when given the option, unless its a niche case like trinkets or you desperately need a different stat (this never happens unless you really know what you're doing)
if ilvl is equal then prio haste
wicked acorn
Hello hero friends.
I have to question and have a high hope to aquire an awnser to they.
-
Is a disc priest a nice healer for a prot war? and if not what would be a nice healer to play with (for high m+ keys)
-
Is it likely that warrior does more dmg than a gdruid for example?
strong forum
disc is the worst healer for pwar because they suck at healing HP back up
both disc and pwar are mitigation types, they prevent loss of HP more than they heal HP back up
so those 2 clash by design
- pwar and guardian druid do roughly the same dmg in m+, druid might be able to do more because their single target DPS is higher and their abilities are uncapped
wicked acorn
i see thank you for the detailt awnser. That is giga helpful!
strong forum
not really
stark sage
convoke cd is super long tho right?
cinder nova
People on the PTR are peaking 38K
errant timber
2 mins I think
strong forum
yes, but it doesnt do "way more" in m+
chilly brook
People on the PTR are peaking 38K
I've peaked at 30k rn
stark sage
doing way more and having higher potential are not the same thing tho
strong forum
every tank does roughly 4-5k overalls in keys
stark sage
pwr could consistently be doing way more because the potential isnt realized enough
chilly brook
Technically
chilly brook
Warrior has a bigger potential
crystal nexus
i think my palading had 5,2k in mist of tirna and he is only 217
chilly brook
We just never get to that potential
Because we never use seismic outside of meme keys
stark sage
cinder nova
I dunno, it feels like bear can just facetank so much more than warrior atm
cinder nova
I mean, they aren't kiting.
strong forum
neither is pwar
cinder nova
Which means they're doing damage.
strong forum
like
just look at top keys
the after run dmg meters are right there
theres no speculation to be done
no feelycraft
no nothing
on average dh, pwar and druid are doing 4-5k dps on 25+
more on paddy dungeons like mists
less on ST dungeons like spires
but even in spires they do 4.5-4.8k dps
cinder nova
Maybe it's just me then
The higher in keys I go the less I feel I can stay in
But then again this week was necro
So I was just running the entire dungeon
strong forum
comparing necrotic druid vs necrotic anything else is a meme
cuz UFR is stupidly broken
like broken in the broken sense
as in not working
cinder nova
What's that one node that FRs them when they go under 50%
cinder nova
Yeah, apparently dreamweaver is getting a mini FR where if you go under 40% you start healing fat chunks of your HP for a few seconds
So druids picking up that node will basically be unkillable it feels like lol
Since it AND FR will roll
strong forum
i wish pwar had a conduit that just gave you last stand for free with a 40sec CD
but hey
good conduits arent allowed for warrior
cinder nova
I WANT OUR LEGION LEGENDARY POWER BACK BLIZZ
On-demand crit block was so fucking cool
strong forum
like GJ, pally Artifact ability crit for 11 million with a 1min CD, and pwar? yeah nice you get a shitty flame that does 70k dmg
stark sage
felt awsome against kiljaeden's fell swipes
inland raft
Only prob with dreamweaver js the soul bind is nice but first strike is 
chilly brook
for the sole reason that it was a MASSIVE dps loss
Imagine
cinder nova
I more mention it because it feels like the gap between druid and others as the "premier" prog tank will just widen
inland raft
I mean druids take korayn too
cinder nova
Korayne isn't really a prog bind
cinder nova
She's only there for meter memes
strong forum
top people wont have the new traits for raiding anyway
chilly brook
She's only there for meter memes
I mean definitely amazing for m+
cinder nova
Obviously
strong forum
unless you get like 6 renown per week
cinder nova
I just hate how druid keeps getting extra bullshit into their kit more or less free of charge with ugly OP synergy
And warriors get... ???
I guess I can't snub the +10% DR and Execute
But it feels kinda meh
inland raft
Druid has always been a favored class though not sure why surprised, prot war is extremely capable though i dont see a reason to really be jealous
cinder nova
Every tank got the DR buff?
strong forum
yes
every tank got that buff in 9.0.5 or shortly after
DH only got half of that buff, but theyre getting the other half in 9.1
cinder nova
Uhh... aren't we getting another +10% DR in 9.1 alongside execute damage?
inland raft
We dont need another 10%
ancient monolith
kyrian>=nf
what are the factors to consider here? Hopefully we're not just weighing on the Mikanikos undocumented change
strong forum
Kyrian is overall the most versatile through potion and filling needed kyrian slot for m+
aswell as low CD softcapped threat gen and solid dmg output
median tulip
From where do the Memory of the Covenant Legendaries come in 9.1?
inland raft
Renown
ancient monolith
Kyrian is overall the most versatile through potion and filling needed kyrian sl...
would it be better to run into the fray because we have spear as kyrian?
strong forum
in raid your run ITF because its more dmg
cinder nova
Cov has no impact on talent choice
strong forum
in M+ you run ravager because its more dmg and rage
cinder nova
At least for prot
amber herald
bear has threat problems outside of incarn whereas warrior probably has the best threat with ravager talented
something people don't talk about when comparing tanks for some reason
inland raft
Beauty of prot is we kinda have a choice, itf/hr is a fine pick if you dont want to run rav/am, rav,hr is also doable if want
ancient monolith
Cov has no impact on talent choice
that makes sense!
patent osprey
Beauty of prot is we kinda have a choice, itf/hr is a fine pick if you dont want...
Heresy!
ancient monolith
in M+ you run ravager because its more dmg and rage
also, having spear and ravager must be amazing to use in m+
cinder nova
Can't be bothered? To what? Swap talents? 
amber herald
can't be bothered boosting them
inland raft
Im sorry @patent osprey i forgot we are tied to very specific talents and other choices are of the devil
patent osprey
Im sorry <@133743762999476224> i forgot we are tied to very specific talents an...
Finally you have seen the light my child.
strong forum
@cinder nova
grim nymph
I love AM for having free +20% damage every pull
strong forum
yuh AM is great
grim nymph
Although I accidentally ran HR one dungeon and it definitely felt pretty 👌 since I never had to kite due to SB downtime lol.
median tulip
I like Heavy Repercussions when I use The Wall in Raids
chilly brook
We dont need another 10%
We may not "need" it but I guarentee the game would be a lot better off with it
inland raft
It really is preference tbh i started using itf/hr in higher keys and started just getting lazy and not swapping for lower keys either but i change it up every so often although also havnt played in quite some time
median tulip
I'm wondering how Ravager will work paired with Mikanikos for Bron, in 9.1, with that undocumented change
amber herald
dots don't count but channels do
lavish oracle
I don't know if it's technically a dot
I just said dot because it's easier than saying periodic damage
If it worked with dots, deep wounds would be fucked up
Ah it is a DoT
Just ravager than, I suppose
Shouldn't really change our time to summon bron too much, I suppose.
Actually, wait, does it count autos now?
strong forum
im asking the authorities
too lazy to install PTR myself
it only counts spells
not AAs
lavish oracle
Ah, damn
wicked acorn
reading all this warrior is very competive to druid than druid just got quiet some extra stuff
lavish oracle
New Halls terrifies me
Who decided to buff wicked bolt, and why do they hate tanks?
strong forum
each tick of ravager counts towards bron stacking
lavish oracle
Noice
strong forum
Who decided to buff wicked bolt, and why do they hate tanks?
Blizzard
its evident that they hate tanks being strong
they only comply because of severe complaining from the community with the previous buffs they offered
median tulip
each tick of ravager counts towards bron stacking
Excellent
lavish oracle
I don't even wanna be strong, I just don't want to die because my DPS keep kicking the curse instead
fleet river
They are too incremental. Just look at healers; holy paladins do 200-300% more damage than other healers. Better nerf their damage by 20%ish.
What's hpal representation above m+24, like 99.7%?
chilly brook
they only comply because of severe complaining from the community with the previ...
Just gotta make the shortage worse I guess
If there aren't enough tanks to complain they can't complain
sick sentinel
Hi! Sorry i know 10000 ppl should've asked this already but which covenant and leggo seems warrior will use for raid/mythic+? a friend of mine is asking and i dont have any idea of the class lol
jagged pier
reprisal
sick sentinel
thats for 9.1?
lavish oracle
Not much changed for us
jagged pier
yes nothing changed
solemn pasture
New potency looks alright
strong forum
used to be better before the nerf
jagged pier
its not good imo
solemn pasture
It's 4% at max Ilvl now, correct?
solemn pasture
Seems better than show of force but i might just wrong
solemn pasture
Yeah
strong forum
SoF is hardly worth its pick
amber herald
the heal one any good?
strong forum
its better than nothing!
so it prolly beats Brutal vit / fueled
both of those conduits are likely our 3rd picks
with the mainstat one maybe being 2nd potency pick
cinder nova
Are we socketing the tank gems or the DPS gems
sweet summit
Dps
cinder nova
I assume we use the extra 2 slots on tank gems, then?
sweet summit
Ok so
Give me a sec
Unholy set+2 other dps gems
Idk if this is best
I stole it from #fury
So first you get the set that nets you the most damage, then you fill the two other slots with the other damage gems
cinder nova
Oh, man - do we not have an agreed upon gameplan for the new sockets?
sweet summit
Hope that made it clear
The game plan is to sim it and use whatever gives the most throughput
sweet summit
Yessir
sweet summit
Come again?
cinder nova
Soulfire Chisel.
The thing you use to remove your gem so you can slap it in other shit.
Is it consumable?
chilly brook
I stole it from <#148898695696482305>
I'm supposed to make a decision on I'd I want to go back to this channel full time or stay a shield boi
cinder nova
Imagine wanting to play whack a mole with shiny buttons over gigachad spearheading content
cinder nova
chilly brook
See that's the problem
Idk if it's just as simple as playing a different class in the same role lol
This is why I hate these decisions
sweet summit
Hmmm
chilly brook
Or if I'm just burnt on the content
sweet summit
Do you have to choose before 9.1?
ebon sun
I just want the game to feel good again — and make “What can brown do for you?” funny again.
chilly brook
Do you have to choose before 9.1?
Ideally yes, the replacement for me is lined up if I wanna go dps but they want me to stay tank
sweet summit
You mostly tanked this tier didnt you?
chilly brook
I was hoping that there was going to be more tuning before the patch dropped
chilly brook
You mostly tanked this tier didnt you?
Most of it yea but I joined this guild as a dps lol
sweet summit
Next batch of tuning is hc tuning i reckon
strong forum
"supposedly"
but its just gonna be Spriest nerfs
BET
like you can already smell
sweet summit
I trust
strong forum
that theyll nerf spriest
sweet summit
Id probably take this tier as dps then, see how you like it
strong forum
im keen to play spriest, wanted to since 7.1
sweet summit
10.0
strong forum
but never got around to it
chilly brook
im keen to play spriest, wanted to since 7.1
wild hemlock
spriest soooooo fun. i have an ele main. prot warrior and shadow priest
shadow is prolly the most fun
strong forum
i always liked the idea of spriest because of their hard risk reward gameplay
sweet summit
Sub rogue 📈
strong forum
if youre good, the dmg meter will reflect that
wild hemlock
ass rogue looks fun too
strong forum
i liked 8.0 sub rogue
if you look past the zul abuse
it looked like a very cool spec for m+ to have this funnel dmg
sweet summit
kekL
distant crystal
finding new and creative ways to tag smallies and drag them onto bosses
mage falling to his death on first boss in shrine trying to scorch the smallies on the platform above
cinder nova
Where it at tho
Smoke Bomb used to do DR didn't it?
shut summit
ye
cinder nova
Ion left it in Legion
limpid delta
Yo! 🙂 Just got into prot warrior and ive been feeling kinda odd when to use ignore pain in combat, i feel like that the shield seems negligible to be worth using the rage on it. Can you guys give me tips on how to integrate ignore pain properly into the rotation?
strong forum
ignore pain is just a defensive rage dump and dmg smoother
eager iron
don't use it unless u dont have block up or need a rage dump
strong forum
you mainly use it for big mechanics or dots or to avoid overcapping rage+
its not a maintained ability
limpid delta
ignore pain is just a defensive rage dump and dmg smoother
wdym by smoother dmg?
strong forum
layered ontop of SB
when you know youre taking big dmg and you afford to spend the rage on IP
thats when you can decide to say "okay ima use 40 rage now to take a little bit less dmg"
strong forum
its just a dmg smoother, so you take less dmg from non blockable dmg
as long as the dmg is blockable, IP isnt really needed to be used
tardy osprey
IP = less Revenge dmg 
solid gulch
So they p much said ‘guys you’re perf, no changes for you’ for prot 9.1 right?
modern brook
nothing big
strong forum
they said that to all tanks bascially
tardy osprey
Blood was strong for a long time, it was bound to fall eventually
modern brook
its a long and steady fall
modern brook
couldve just put the tank symbol there
strong forum
perfect
inland raft
10.0 “tank specializations have been removed from the game, all tank mechanics remain however”
strong forum
ngl
wow removing the tank role
would be a very interesting concept
and turn into a more modern game where youre supposed to just not take dmg by dodging
modern brook
they would need to like
strong forum
and by being shielded or healed up instead of taking untankable dmg
modern brook
redo teh whole engine
strong forum
not necessarily
just remove the requirement for having tanks, tune bosses to have entirely dodgable mechanics and remove auto attacks
and targeted abilities
and boom
strong forum
same with m+, if you remove auto attacks and make every mechanic dodgable, you dont need a tank
modern brook
Tanks job is very much positioning as much as it is about not dying
strong forum
yeah but they clearly dont want tanks to be fun
modern brook
i think griff brought an idea up simialr to this in like 8.2
i think it works fine in raid but m+ kinda kills it
cause of the conecpt of pacing just sorta going out the window
wild atlas
They’re don’t want to make it less fun. They just want everyone to reroll VDH
modern brook
vdh also hasnt been good since its release
its allowed to be the best tank 2 expansions fter it was introduced to the game tbh
modern brook
laughs in windwalker
modern brook
they actually fixed a lot of the dumb shit legion did to it
and its dps tanked
and they just compensated with damage increases
but as an avid vdh hater
vdh gets a bad rap
strong forum
spb vdh is fun
modern brook
a) its not that much better than the other tanks rn
strong forum
cuz dmg meter is big
modern brook
b) it was only ever the best because blizzard did its best to kill the remaining tank players this expac
and also elysian was stupid
chilly brook
i think griff brought an idea up simialr to this in like 8.2
Definitely not me
I've advocated for more incentive for m+ though
modern brook
nah
chilly brook
Mythic plus battlepass when
modern brook
coulda sworn you brought up the idea of like tanks not being needed
maybe not you still
IDK
chilly brook
No definitely not me lol
modern brook
ahhhhh my b then
chilly brook
Yea I bitch about the state tanks are in but I like the role
golden locust
This question was probably asked like a million times already, but there's no pin - what covenant should we go for in 9.1 as prot? Starting out to play warrior 🙂
strong forum
theres no pin cuz nothing changes
chilly brook
Whichever covenant you want
modern brook
the decision is negligible
golden locust
Cool, thanks!
cinder nova
Nom
My friend and I have a disagreement.
I'm arguing that M+ and mythic raiding have overlapping, albeit separate, skill sets and having high raid prog doesn't necessarily mean you'll do anything worthy of attention in M+.
His position is that they're both PVE so they should be functionally the same skills and therefore you should consider raid prog as well as io when inviting someone.
Your thoughts?
strong forum
theyre different skillsets
chilly brook
Not the same skills
Dungeon content is different than raid
Not the same fights
Different timings
Different challenges
More personal responsibility vs less
strong forum
from all 3 roles, m+ requires more attention and CD usages and coordination, raiding is just look at timers and do your rotation while hitting a dummy
and pray that all 20 people do the right thing
stark sage
really the main reason a raid leader would care about high io is if they are looking for a player who has enough time to dedicate to gearing up and being ahead of the curve
strong forum
a good high end raider is not guaranteed to perform well in m+, same as a high io player isnt guaranteed to perform well in raid
chilly brook
Kist because you have a high io doesnt mean you're gonna be a good raider
cinder nova
Less of a "should you care about io during raid recruiting" and more of a "pugging M+ you should care about rad prog as well as io" stance he's taking.
modern brook
Less of a "should you care about io during raid recruiting" and more of a "puggi...
not at all
chilly brook
And just because you have CE doesnt mean you'll achieve high io
cinder nova
Which do you think has a better translationg to the other?
strong forum
pvp
modern brook
You shouldnt even care about io when pugging shit means nothing
strong forum
unironically
chilly brook
Less of a "should you care about io during raid recruiting" and more of a "puggi...
No lmao
stark sage
the skill is not going to indicate either way
the only tried and true way to tell if someone is good is to trial them and see first hand
chilly brook
I couldn't give a shit if you have CE and no io you're shit in keys
cinder nova
Naturally.
blissful pebble
A great cyclist can likely be taught to be at least a good swimmer but if you just throw one in a pool it doesn't mean they know how to swim.
cinder nova
Which do you think builds better class foundation for the other? Personally, I think someone who has high io is going to probably slip into mythic raiding with less turbulence than the inverse.
chilly brook
Bro we have a healer that's healing us on sire denathrius but has like 700 io doesnt even know the mechanics in the dungeons
Literally asking in discord what bosses do
cinder nova
PFFT
modern brook
Which do you think builds better class foundation for the other? Personally, I t...
I agree, but i think it has a lot more to do with "what stupid bullshit in this dungeon do i have to know about"
like
Iunno like getting2 gargs w/ 1 ven
strong forum
Which do you think builds better class foundation for the other? Personally, I t...
depends on the person, you can tell when a dps player is a raid only brain cuz he cant use his CDs in m+ AT ALL, cuz they only hold for bosses or the big pulls.
modern brook
imo in keys theres a lot more minutia that makes it hard to get into pushing keys compared to getting into M raiding
strong forum
for tanks its obv a good indicator if they have high IO
but not gonna guarantee either that theyre a good raid tank
chilly brook
Getting into raiding is easier period
Because theres less required
And everything is far more scripted
stark sage
yeah it depends on role, having experience in either one is better than no experience
and having experience in both would be ideal i suppose.
but your raid leader shouldnt be banning trials because they dont have 2k io
modern brook
Keys are basically 30 minute long raid fights 🧠
strong forum
IF ANYHTING, pvp is the best indicator for a player, because a pvp player has to use his entire toolkit, not just half of it
you can also tell when a dps players is nothing but a raid dps
when they dont know how to use defensives
stark sage
IF ANYHTING, pvp is the best indicator for a player, because a pvp player has to...
except pvp players develop bad habits for pve, you dont deal damage in the same way
chilly brook
except pvp players develop bad habits for pve, you dont deal damage in the same ...
Say that to the kids I pve to death
Condemn
strong forum
than tell a person to not stand in bad and use their defensives
strong forum
pvp players will always have better mechanical play over pve players, thats my take
m+ players will have better CD usage
stark sage
from my experience as a casual dad gamer.
raid one tricks tend to either be really good at raiding and nothing else, or generally bad at everything
where pvp mains and m+ one tricks tend to be at least okay at raiding
chilly brook
At least pvp won't be as aids this next season
fresh ruin
is there a way to sim for "Tankyness"?
strong forum
nop
stark sage
good thing simming ofr tankyness doesnt do much for you so there's no demand for it
its pass/fail, so long as you live you're golden
fresh ruin
well, opinion then 🙂 i just got 226 Haste/Mastery shoulders, currently using 226 Verse/Mastery..
strong forum
haste
fresh ruin
and fury, Ilevel >haste >mastery?
stark sage
fury is more like
sim it but usually ilvl > haste/mast > else
chilly brook
Fr tho big pog that people won't be carrying
Or at least that it'll be a lot harder
fresh ruin
not sure i understand, Fr tho big pog?
strong forum
hes talking about the new pvp season
modern brook
but that comes with the job description of rogue
Rogues don't even like him
fresh ruin
oh.
strong forum
because its a new season, less people will be boosting in pvp and be busy gearing and grinding rating again
chilly brook
not sure i understand, Fr tho big pog?
If you are say 2400 and q with a guy who is 750 theyll be facing 2400 teams with you
tender phoenix
is there a new change for covenants or is it the same in 9.1?
strong forum
same
stark sage
If you are say 2400 and q with a guy who is 750 theyll be facing 2400 teams with...
okay this is epic
fresh ruin
ah
chilly brook
okay this is epic
Should be really healthy for the game tbh
My biggest problem is I haven't seriously PvPd since WoD and getting smashed by dudes in 226 pvp gear at 1600 is ass
tender phoenix
sorry what i meant before is is there new "bis" covenants or is it staying the same for the most part and just minor things?
fleet river
sorry what i meant before is is there new "bis" covenants or is it staying the s...
Very little changing for prot. Reprisal will be better than any of the new leggos
tender phoenix
i saw that the NL leggo was decent when it first came out. Was it nerfed?
fresh belfry
are you saying I have almost as many DoS as you have overall?
frigid spire
do ya'll think prot will Stand strong in 9.1
mellow bridge
what's that from
strong forum
are you saying I have almost as many DoS as you have overall?
I'm saying I've done almost less keys total than you've done DoS
fresh belfry
yeah thats what I mean 😄
fresh belfry
you're a gamer
crimson furnace
9 keys 3 scales. Nobody can beat that
el diablo
mellow bridge
he's stealing all of our scales
tender phoenix
that explains it
tender phoenix
had a 216 scale since February ive been trying
fresh belfry
love how everyone peaks IO score early february and just cba anymore after
fleet river
Where do you see that season recap on rio?
distant crystal
I got a 226 scale on my moonkin
0 scales/hearts on any tank toons
maybe i should just go bear
marble jackal
talking about vault
the vault of week 1 of 9.1
what item lvl it will be ?
crimson furnace
from 30 to the 6th of july
strong forum
Or literal first vault
marble jackal
literal
strong forum
Regular s1 vault