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primal nimbus
demo lock is best spec for p3
tame jasper
dude after 43 times killing that guy im still waiting for that trinket
Happy to farm it again in two weeks 😒
oblique garnet
demo lock is best spec for p3
This is just not true lmao
cinder nova
I snaked up a 226 on a GV luck roll
It's pretty cash
Shame it's about to get outmoted by the REGEAR CYCLE of M+
I will say I wish there was way more numeric transparency in trinket descriptions
primal nimbus
This is just not true lmao
I mean look at logs, a demo lock has the highest P3 damage, without even buffed as much as the nearest affli
oblique garnet
Link a log
Rank 1 affli did 1.47m rank 1 demo did 1.4m
Both had same buffs
Then if you factor in the player skill of people still progressing the fight affliction will be significantly easier to execute than demo in sire
primal nimbus
Okay I'll concur, last I looked was before that Chinese affli, where a demo was highest :)
But I doubt he is wiping on sire due to having a demo over an affli
oblique garnet
Probably not
But demo is just not as good of an progress spec as affli atm
Only reason it does even remotely well rn is because its deep farm and cheese
primal nimbus
Maybe, but if the player is comfortable in demo and not in affli then it wouldn't make sense for him to swap either way
oblique garnet
True
pine stump
What slots to use for Reprisal and The Wall Legendaries?
The Wall I am guessing is now the Back slot. But for Reprisal, is it still Legs or now feet?
Oh nvm. Figured it out. Its still better to keep on Legs. higher stats, plus Sylvanas drops higher boot level
The Wall needs to be on Back though, coz of the Shoulder drop with the Socket
blazing condor
Yep
chilly brook
Maybe, but if the player is comfortable in demo and not in affli then it wouldn'...
It would just purely based on the fact that pets bug in p2
And most people are going to perform better on affliction anyways because it doesnt require weird cheese
Like demo does
tame jasper
The Wall I am guessing is now the Back slot. But for Reprisal, is it still Legs ...
Yesterday one said that it will still be legs
jagged pier
its legs
chilly brook
Literally 800 warlocks before the first demo shows up on sire
jagged pier
and cloak for the wall
chilly brook
and cloak for the wall
oblique garnet
Literally 800 warlocks before the first demo shows up on sire
On overall damage which doesnt matter
blazing condor
chilly brook
On overall damage which doesnt matter
Sure but the point still stands that affliction is just a far better spec for the fight
oblique garnet
Ofc
bitter arch
Venthyr is really bad in m+ or ?
ionic fern
It's hard to compete in AoE with things like Spear of Bastion and Ancient Aftershock. 👀
Being Venthyr won't stop you from doing keys tho. 🙂
bitter arch
I am dps in my raid, so the raid lead prolly force me to venthyr. But I want to do m+ as a tank. So I don’t know what covenant I should pick
ionic fern
Okay, first of all..unless you're in some uber upper-end guild then your raid leader shouldn't "force" you into anything. You can kill the bosses with literally any covenant.
If you're looking to multi-spec then i think NF/Kyrian would serve you better than Venthyr.
bitter arch
I was thinking about kyrian
ionic fern
It's a solid option, especially from a tank PoV. Not many players are Kyrian's so you also get the dungeon buffs.
ionic fern
What's there to discuss? If you can play the class correctly you will out dps most people regardless of covenant.
jagged pier
new cov leggo isnt that bad for arms i belive
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
same hes so fucking bad
crimson furnace
guys
boys
people
what do u think is the highest ilvl we can reach
after the 1st reset
next patch!
tell me ur predictions/matematics
what is possible!??!?
strong forum
Whatever heroic drops
jagged pier
u would have to be extremely lucky to get a drop from yet boss
strong forum
It is the theoretical max!
jagged pier
pray for hymnal quest day 1 
ionic fern
What's the max renown atm even?
jagged pier
80? in the new patch
jagged pier
POG
ionic fern
See..i would..if i enjoyed the game.
jagged pier
im already grinding for pog flying in tbc i dont want to do it again
sweet summit
large
jagged pier
HUGE
ionic fern
Slowly but surely.
elfin nova
Do we have any kind of update on charge sims
elfin nova
Yes
jagged pier
KEK
elfin nova
What if it doesn't rain
elfin nova
It's been a real long week since may 9th
ionic fern
I'm busyyyyyyy with a lot of real life things.
I will try to do it before my vacation tho as then i'm not near my PC.
elfin nova
Wait that's march kek
jagged pier
mohawk man going on vacation
cinder nova
go fucking grind out your last 3 renown you ape
jagged pier
strong forum
I'm at home but I didn't turn my PC on in 2 days
jagged pier
not even for PoE?
ionic fern
Mwahi what the hell my guy
I have not had a lot of time to play at all. 👀
gaunt dawn
@ionic fern
strong forum
Poe is shit m8
jagged pier
F Nome already out of PoE hype
ionic fern
😦
strong forum
I played 5hrs of vidya(total) in the last 2 weeks im on a serious content drought
ionic fern
Oh no..not that. 😦
I will do it as soon as i go home today.
cinder nova
Where do you find the time to bigbrain prot numbers if you can't even grind 3 renown
I'm so lost
gaunt dawn
good
ionic fern
Sorry guys - i have to get to Renown 40..Reprisal is postponed to 9.2
gaunt dawn
and also update all of my guide pages for me
jagged pier
Panthea what have you done
cinder nova
lol
jagged pier
jagged pier
why we already know it sims higher
elfin nova
400 is a lot
ionic fern
I had Reprisal Sims but it was ugly and sketchy.
gaunt dawn
if you're not getting 400 more
ionic fern
gaunt dawn
frankly thats a skill issue
elfin nova
I like to add a lot
I enabled heroic charge in the apl and it just gave the sim 30% downtime 🙂
strong forum
Do a wall sim, add 300 style points and thats where reprisal comes in
sweet summit
how much dps is 1 style point
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
thats big wtf
blazing condor
at least
strong forum
Math doesn't lie
blazing condor
Will warrior be good in 9.1 given the new style points?
cinder nova
Pwarr is basically SSS in DMC
ionic fern
SSS?
cinder nova
Oh, DMC uses a style points ranking from like C, B, A, S, SS, and SSS.
ionic fern
Ah, okay.
cinder nova
It's entire performance metric is literally Style Points.
And it expects flashy mix-ups and combos when fighting enemies.
I think it abbreviates to Dismal, Crazy, Badass, Apocalyptic!, Savage!, Sick Skills!!, and Smokin' Sexy Style!!.
ionic fern
Sounds reasonable.
scenic reef
is there any kind of post about 9.1 and prot warrior, or is it gonna be reprisal and same talents pretty much?
sweet summit
same same but bigger numbers
strong forum
Nothing changes for any tank in 9.1
sweet summit
vdh loses cardboard assassin for m+ 
wraith surge
scenic reef
and theres no changes in what covenant is strongest?
jagged pier
no
scenic reef
well thats lame :I ty anyways
sweet summit
i think he meant the fact that a major patch had no direct changes to how we play/what we want
scenic reef
this
sweet summit
which i agree
ionic fern
Kyrian was big. Is even bigger now.
Ggwp.
Elysian Might is also big..but Reprisal exists so...
wraith surge
Kyrian was big. Is even bigger now.
why even bigger now?
sweet summit
whats better for damage
wraith surge
scenic reef
i have farmed max renown for every covenant just so i can be ready when 1 of them becomes fotm, now im just stuck with kyrian for another several months
jagged pier
40 sec spear
ionic fern
why even bigger now?
Mika with his 40s Spear.
mellow bridge
mfw Bron proccs on first pull in mists so you cant even walk past the 2nd pack without pulling it because he is wonky af
wraith surge
no shots he does that
ionic fern
He has been doing that since forever.
sweet summit
: )
mellow bridge
he literally did in my mists ptr run
wraith surge
jagged pier
just leap?
ionic fern
He's like the overly eager tank.
jagged pier
through the skip
mellow bridge
was on my brm
jagged pier
mellow bridge
wanted to try the WoO cdr
honest plinth
mount up? is he acting like a pet?
sweet summit
guardian
rotund thicket
he acts like a guardian
mellow bridge
cant remember if I mounted up, prolly not tbh
dont think it would change anything tho?
rotund thicket
guardians just attack everything that its in your attack range
honest plinth
well it changes everything for pets
uncut juniper
Summing things up for the Legendary Reroll discussion:
Since there will only be certain Slots that will be eligible of slotting the new Shards of Domination Gems theres a discussion of wether you should reroll your legendary slot into sth else helping to deconflict with the new system.
These are the Slots that can be socketed with the new Raid Gems for Plate: chest, helmet, shoulders, bracer, gloves
So for Legendaries such as Reprisal there will be no change to the probably most picked leg slot (since the new helmet slot that will be added in 9.1 is no help) but for Leggos like The Wall you might consider rerolling the Legendary Slot from Shoulders to Cloak.
mellow bridge
the cdr from him feels amazing btw but feel like Bron has a lot of potential to fuck up things zz
sweet summit
ya if you plan on playing the wall, cloak is better
honest plinth
<:peepohide:841312329424437298>
uncut juniper
well also repisal cant go on helm its boots and legs
helm is the new socket they will add in 9.1
uncut juniper
and boots drop from slyvanas
thats a good hint though
jagged pier
So for Legendaries such as Reprisal there will be no change to the probably most picked leg slot (since the new helmet slot that will be added in 9.1 is no help) <- this reads as your saying u dont want to craft reprisal on helm as the new version can have a socket
which is wrong as repisal cant go on helm
uncut juniper
nah that was not my intention :)
sick sentinel
those stupid PF final boss tentacle slams are really tricky
they look like your out, and then your really not, it goes wider in that lane than looks like it should
honest plinth
thats ow it works
sick sentinel
almost overlaps with the ones you have avoid 2nd
amber herald
they changed it then changed it back
uncut juniper
i justed want to make clear that they added new slots to craft your legendary on and for reprisal they added the helmet slot which totally doesnt help and because of that wont fall into any reroll discussion.
@jagged pier
sick sentinel
i know of the rain damage, but im not even sure what that is or f you can avoid it or whatever
uncut juniper
oh really? :D
jagged pier
tentacles are very ez, u ither stand in the clear spot or stand where the first tentacle hit no need to run with them
amber herald
blizzard 🤷♂️
uncut juniper
now i get your point. didnt see that sry
well then it doesnt matter at all thats right
sick sentinel
if i didn't stop to type "care" we probably would have timed that damn 15 pf
ionic fern
tentacles are very ez, u ither stand in the clear spot or stand where the first ...
And don't stand too near to the middle pool either - i've gotten RNG smacked in there from time to time even when i'm not near the tentacles. 😦
honest plinth
i justed want to make clear that they added new slots to craft your legendary on...
it doesnt matter actually legs are very good slot for leggo
mellow bridge
it's not rng mwahi
you just cant stand inside the pool or it will guaranteed hit you
you could not move at all by just walking into the pool at the right moment
sick sentinel
i had to pay 6k gold to buy the last needed part of my transmog some craftable thing
honest plinth
yep you cant stay inside the water
mellow bridge
so blizz made it just always hit you if you touch the water
sick sentinel
6k for legs lol
honest plinth
you will be deleted
jagged pier
And don't stand too near to the middle pool either - i've gotten RNG smacked in ...
if your in the pool it will hit u they put that in to stop the jumping thing but the edge of the pool its very weird sometimes
honest plinth
with all tentacles
modern brook
Doesn't the water just put a murder dot on you anyways
strong forum
If you stand in it for too long yes
If you jump almost frame perfect I think you can avoid it
But I wouldn't risk it
jagged pier
well with the amount u jump Nome u probs fine
strong forum
jagged pier
may do in the next few weeks 
ionic fern
I did my last key like a month ago. 😦
jagged pier
same 😦
blazing condor
Tried a 14 soa weekly and my god it was horrid
Had to solo the last 200k of the 2nd boss because everyone got hit by everything. this after already 1 wipe and 35 minutes to even get there
And once we killed the 2nd boss the healer left
blazing condor
I dont even want anything from the vault so its like
Why bother
I got 2k io that was my goal for the patch
Havent played since then really
wraith surge
sick sentinel
i wonder if i could run 3 or 4 keys today and torghast
sick sentinel
i don't feel super up to it, but i could
sick sentinel
i didn't try to push io this week, but i did a bit
ionic fern
I have watched my IO drop from world 80 to like world 600+ or what ever i am right now.
😂
wraith surge
sick sentinel
me and my old GM dk and pw were always trying to be "#1 of our class/spec on server"
tame jasper
then theres me whos trying to push IO on this week
Hehe did PF19 this week 🥳
wraith surge
Hehe did PF19 this week 🥳
i did my first 18 this week
sick sentinel
i fucking hate plaguefall
wraith surge
sick sentinel
that dungeon makes me so mald
wraith surge
PF is kinda easy
ionic fern
But honestly what's pushing me away atm is the lack of control over my own survivability.
Even if i play perfectly i am still going to die because chances are that 2 out of the 3 DPS'ers in the group don't know they can interrupt.
sick sentinel
i just hate that dungeon, i've always done badly in it and it looks gross and tons of nasty traps
wraith surge
But honestly what's pushing me away atm is the lack of control over my own survi...
when they dont kick that shadowcore or the bolts in hoa
thats pure pain
ionic fern
Just makes the game feel horrible as a tank.
sick sentinel
i usually do okay if i get nudged in the right direction back on track
wraith surge
its easy PF only cuz theres all those plagueborers
or whatever
so u skip like half of the dungeon
sick sentinel
like, i ran a sucessfull top 14 last night and we fucked up on the teleport section some how
didn't get the pride at 2nd
took ball to wrong tele
so, i had to make up for the trash by not doing the golem skip on minis right after, even though i had specifically brought rouge to attempt that skip
tame jasper
Just makes the game feel horrible as a tank.
Yep. That‘s why I hope to get a fixed group for next season. And one case why I like m+ more than raidind: Not so many ppl you rely on
sick sentinel
the only person i would want to REQUIRE in my groups is a paladin for bop/freedom shenagigans or a dk bc grip
and they might be able to trade me loot
sick sentinel
every other spec in the game is whatever to me
wraith surge
bring back legion where i could solo keys
sick sentinel
some dps a bit better than others, some tanks a bit better, but its all the same shit, very few actual stand out abilities that can't be easily replicated
ionic fern
the only person i would want to REQUIRE in my groups is a paladin for bop/freedo...
See..it's fine and dandy until you get the Paladin/DK in the group and they don't use any of their utility. 🙂
ionic fern
bring back legion where i could solo keys
This tbh
Just provide everyone with Sephuz so when they interrupt they get a haste buff.
This way people actually press it.
ionic fern
Yep. That‘s why I hope to get a fixed group for next season. And one case why I ...
Jeah, having a fixed group is great..makes you actually want to log in and do M+.
jagged pier
old TLs and lego Bracers fun times
jagged pier
ionic fern
It was good times tho. 😦
ionic fern
I just enjoyed it cause i felt rewarded for playing well as a tank.
jagged pier
thats true
ionic fern
Atm i can do a triple backflip while blocking and using all my utility and still die because of some random PUG.
jagged pier
ionic fern
Honestly i think that doing keys with 5 tanks is probably easier than with random PuG's just because tanks know what to interrupt. 😂
rotund thicket
just Spell Reflect :4Head:
ionic fern
Lets do 5 prot warrior keys.
We will all run IV and taunt swap depending on who has IV up to heal. 😂
ionic fern
😦
tame jasper
Lets do 5 prot warrior keys.
We will all run IV and taunt swap depending on who ...
I'm in 😄
wraith surge
All dps so all threat gets passed around so the mobs dont know who to hit
new 20+ strat
can interrupt casters for quite a while
patent salmon
hmm, but how about the phail from kyrian? for necrotic and bleeds
doesnt that add more benefit overall to kyr
strong forum
its nothing you cant work around
its good QoL, but nothing gamebreaking or mandatory
distant crystal
!covenant
patent salmon
I see, how about 9.1 cov stuff
distant crystal
plz
strong forum
nothing
distant crystal
i'd say that outside of necrotic weeks, the caster interrupts will be better defensively than phial
patent salmon
nothing will affect the current cov stats even with new soulbind trees?
strong forum
nop
distant crystal
but picking whatever covenant your group lacks for dungeon bonuses will be bigger than any of it
fresh belfry
does anyone have a WA that tells me when intervene is effectively outranged so I can only make the target profit from safeguard but not intervene the actual damage?
patent salmon
but picking whatever covenant your group lacks for dungeon bonuses will be bigge...
true, i mainly looking to alt my warrior and mostly use it for m+ maybe tank raiding when needed, think i noticed in 9.0 kyr mostly is a tank cov
distant crystal
yeah there's not a lot of specs that go kyrian
patent salmon
like if end up doing a m+ without having kyr in group in nw, and top is big bummer
fresh belfry
yeah there's not a lot of specs that go kyrian
there are going to be more in 9.1
patent salmon
there are going to be more in 9.1
any chance to know what classes or specs?
fresh belfry
kinda depends obv. if the person is a pure m+ brain or an actual gamer but raiding disc priests will be, mages might be
then you will see way more havocs who could also as well be kyrian (though most are NF)
main wasp
any news yet of how they are handling M+ keys for the transition from S1 to S2?
main wasp
e.g. if they will -3 levels on the last S1 key you did? so you need a +18 in order to get a +15 the start of S2?
strong forum
should be 3-4 levels again yes
main wasp
so i should prob get in a 18 or 19 key in, after this coming reset then?
strong forum
si
jagged pier
yes
amber herald
does it have to be this reset?
distant crystal
next week will be the time to get a high one in
jagged pier
^^
patent salmon
btw about to craft the wall and Reprisal, what are the new ideal slots for them?
wild hemlock
reprisal legs
jagged pier
cloak and legs
patent salmon
cheers
steady slate
i have to recraft the wall. not happy about it.
strong forum
or be a man of culture and dont use it
steady slate
i've been called many things, but a man of culture isn't one of them
chilly brook
Technically
You dont have to recraft it at all
Tbh everyone rerolling their legos rn is kinda FOMO
strong forum
first you have to get the piece that has a dom socket
then you have to have the dom socket
chilly brook
^
chilly brook
^^
steady slate
i'm not recrafting today, but the knowledge that i'll have to is annoying. at least reprisal is already a leg slot
amber herald
why do we have to swap?
steady slate
it feels like BFA regrinding the same azerite traits you had before when you get better gear
strong forum
the azerite system couldve been much better if the bought azerite from dungeons would be random on their trait rolls
imo
or atleast rerolled for every season
wouldve been much more fun
steady slate
also, they really needed to have the ability to set up each azerite piece for each spec so you didn't have to grind out different gear sets constantly
chilly brook
Fr though like people flipping out about domination gear need to chill
You're gonna have a lot of stuff built up if you actually need to swap it
It won't be a huge deal
Tbh
Not to mention the fact that legos are grindable now
sick sentinel
i looked at the dps in home, which is why dps is photshopped
too much failure damage again, but it was on time
distant crystal
azerite was great once the vendor came out tbh
i ain't even mad at rebuying the same pieces, although they could've just like rebalanced the traits or something so it wasn't the same ones you wanted every season
sweet summit
"good", not great
the respec cost and shit was still dog
blazing condor
ahh yes... the good ol'
"Here we give you something that shouldve been in the game from the beginning because the system sucked but now its fixed so you'll wanna play again :)"
strong forum
didnt they have a 7day reforge CD in the beginning aswell
or some stupid shit
then they released the gold cost
sweet summit
i know it was some stupid shit but idk exactly what it was
strong forum
i think there was a CD on it at first
sweet summit
think the cost just didnt decrease as fast as it did in the end
distant crystal
i do remember the method disc priest who sha'nt be named had a 10 million gold reforge cost at one point
sick sentinel
didnt they have a 7day reforge CD in the beginning aswell
in beta possibly, but i don't remember any of that
distant crystal
the cost definitely should've capped out
sick sentinel
also, i returned basically on bfa launch date, and i leveled my warrior first thing, because i knew he could tank dungeons
strong forum
the cost only halved once per week in the beginning
distant crystal
I was a warrior tank in BFA before it was cool
when everybody was like "Eww a warrior tank this run is gonna be scuffed"
and they were right but mostly cuz I was bad
season 2 was when warrior became amazeballs right
sick sentinel
i was deservedly kicked for being bad "never tank again" "uninstall" "learn 2 taunt" "getting out the hunter pet"
distant crystal
or was it 3
strong forum
s2
sick sentinel
i heard it alllll before lol
sick sentinel
say, have you guys ever heard of a halls route that involves pulling 2 +3 pat + 2 center at very start of key
sick sentinel
okay, because it wasn't on the dratnos route and hunter did that right away like i was just supposed to know that this was a thing. he told me at least but it threw me for a loop
strong forum
pretty safe pull, only 2 mobs to interrupt
sick sentinel
he just went and pulled them, so i was like oooh kayyy
grand drum
You also usually hero that pull
sick sentinel
it just made me upset because we were deviating from the pride spawns that i knew
training to do 1 way, and then okay lets do this way, and its different then.
wraith surge
honestly people should just kill what the tank pulls
jaunty granite
I'm switching from fury to prot. Currently NF covenant, is the consensus covenant for mythic raid still kyrian for 9.1? Or is necro the play now?
modern brook
covenent doesnt matter
distant crystal
For raiding, I'd stick nf tbh
distant crystal
Or maybe whatever is best for fury/arms if you ever play offspec
but i think that's NF right now anyway
sick sentinel
but for a self admittedly bad player, it's probably best that someone like me goes kyrian for better survival
jaunty granite
But it provides little for prot
sick sentinel
that sounds about right?
modern brook
but for a self admittedly bad player, it's probably best that someone like me go...
it truly doesnt matter
wraith surge
idk i just feel safer as a kyr, honestly vent brings nothing
IMO
as def abilities ofc
modern brook
any time vial saved your life your healer overhealed you anyways
distant crystal
is there anything significant you can dispel with phial
jaunty granite
I mean our Mt left for tbc classic so my guild had me come in as tank and now it's sticking for 9.1 as he now wants to play rSham
modern brook
it 9000% doesnt matter
distant crystal
in the new raid?
modern brook
im sure theres a bleed somewhere
strong forum
yeah but you wont be able to cleanse it :^)
distant crystal
the trend seems to be to specifically prevent phial from working on anything important in raid
if that holds true the extra health pot is pretty meaningless
modern brook
i mean 3 healthpots for prog is pretty pog
but lets be real
Tank deaths are not why people are still on prog
wraith surge
what if he wants to push in a necrotic week in m+
sick sentinel
NW +16
wraith surge
sick sentinel
here i come?
distant crystal
jesus take the wheel
modern brook
what if he wants to push in a necrotic week in m+
no shade but if you need phial to push necrotic week you shouldnt be pushing keys
like
distant crystal
imagine pushing on necrotic week
modern brook
phial falls VERY comfrotably in the "nice to have"
distant crystal
who would do such a thing
sick sentinel
give my self a friggin heart attack if i try to time a 16 NW
wraith surge
you'll be fine
jaunty granite
Thanks all for the info for covenant
sick sentinel
jaunty granite
I'll probably go back to venthyr for Draven soulbinds and fury offspec
sick sentinel
if i do 2 more, i can have 3 226 options
wraith surge
phial falls VERY comfrotably in the "nice to have"
i mean if feels good to have a "reset" for ur stacks
modern brook
i mean if feels good to have a "reset" for ur stacks
theres a strong difference between "nice to have" and "is the reason you make a 2 week+ commitment to a talent tree
theres also a big difference between "feels good to have" and "is needed to progress a certain thing"
Yeah; phial is dope on necrotic week
But taking kyrian with the singular reason being "oh i can reset my necrotic stacks once every 2 months or something" is silly
vale tulip
What's looking like the best covenant for 9.1
wraith surge
But taking kyrian with the singular reason being "oh i can reset my necrotic sta...
yeah ur not wrong
modern brook
Like you can Fudge a reason to be any of the covenents
Kyrian get the edge cause most meta DPS dont want to be kyrian
wraith surge
i just feel safer since i just started tanking 2 weeks ago
modern brook
and having dungeon buffs covered is more important
sweet summit
i think you just improved as a player 
modern brook
but if ur in a siutation where u need gargs or slime buffs, ven and necro are very playable
fleshcraft is DUMB big now
like actually supid amounts of EHP
opaque quest
The shield
wraith surge
oh
opaque quest
Fleshcraft is like a free second scale
wraith surge
i have a necro rogue but i never used it, idk how much it can be helpful as tank
and idk how much it scales
on dps its like 14k
opaque quest
It was shit in 9.0 but .5 made it incredible
modern brook
you can combine it with LS and commanding shout pre-key
and enter the dungeon with ~60k shields
wraith surge
you can combine it with LS and commanding shout pre-key
yoo
what about the banner tho
modern brook
🤷♀️
wraith surge
yeah useless sht
modern brook
is it better than spear/ AA?
probably/definitnely not
but if you need a necrolord in your keygroup
👀
modern brook
if you dont have a necro in your group
You're making your PF/ToPs take longer for no reason
ToP especially really likes the bonus verse
opaque quest
I wouldnt wanna do ToP without a necro
wraith surge
i mean i know about the ToP buff
opaque quest
10% free dmg for everyone in the group
modern brook
its literally 50% more damage for 10 minutes across the party
wraith surge
never heard of PF tho
modern brook
never heard of PF tho
the slimes give the bonus they have
reds give 35% haste within 7 yards
wraith surge
well all noted, thanks for the advice
modern brook
green i think is a dot?
idr
reds the big one
probably isnt up-to-date
but concepts are there
modern brook
yeah i was close
opaque quest
Red is haste
modern brook
also 25 not 35, but that was a typo and no one can prove otherwise
modern brook
^
imagine being on lust the whole fucking dungeon
only problem is its still an aura around your tank necrolord
so your ranged get fucked
but they deserve it for playing ranged tbh - also PF has your group relatively clumped anyways through most of it just based on how the pulls are done
opaque quest
Absolutely
modern brook
point is: Necroord buffs arevery worth it
and prot warrior can be your necrolord if your team cant find room fo rone else where
Ele and Resto shaman liked being necrolord (until recently i think ele are Nf now or something) so it hasnt really been an issue thus far
modern brook
wouldnt know i dont play DORK specs 😎
sick sentinel
We also wanted to note that when Pestilence Slime dies it drops Rapid Infection, which you can also stand in for a different 25% Haste buff. The Necrolord aura and pool haste buffs stack multiplicatively so if you stand in both, you actually increase your haste by 56.25%!
literal giga haste
modern brook
SMh
imagine playing prot warrior and telling your friend
"hey you gotta play a spec you dont want to play so i can play the spec i want to play"
sick sentinel
Can someone explain shattering throw in mythic plus please. Like does it do well on halal or last boss of nw?
*Hakar
stark sage
yes, it does a ton of damage against absorb shields
mellow bridge
does it well on halal pepelaugh
lavish oracle
Rogue is a really strong option for necro, esp. in 9.1
blazing condor
Can someone explain shattering throw in mythic plus please. Like does it do well...
Shattering Throw deals a lot of damage to shields and magic immunities yadda yadda
Its a great ability on Hakkar especially because hakkar doesnt get his full shield at once, it builds up gradually. This means that if you time your shatter throw correctly (so it hits just as he casts the shield) you can instantlybreak it
lavish oracle
I wonder how the necrotic bonus from the new M+ affix is gonna affect Hakkar
sick sentinel
Omfg where has this button been. I have been messing up. Rip.
lavish oracle
I imagine if it works on the shield, it'll completely trivialize Hakkar
blazing condor
I stan hakkar trivialising
lavish oracle
Are there any other mobs with heal affects in that dungeon?
I guess there's a bunch in the hakkar wing trash
has anyone compiled a list of the anima powers and what lieutenant and for which specs they drop?
limpid pawn
regarding stygia
is there any point in farming them in anticipation of 9.1
or will stygia sockets become obsolete
blazing condor
sockets only work for s1 items
so stygia farming for sockets is no use
dunno if theyre relevant for anything else
modern brook
yes, it does a ton of damage against absorb shields
fun fact: theres currently a bug on (at least) PTR where shattering throw is dealing a (lot) of bleed through damage. IDK if its also happening in PvE but i know its working in pvp
IIRC the bleed through is == [Your % Damage increase] *[total damage done to shield]
so if you're in avatar and shattering throw does 10k it'll do 2k to the target, 10k to the shield
as of like
stark sage
epic
modern brook
June 6th
stark sage
yeah i havnt been playing much to test, but if it worked for fury then enrage would be pretty big
modern brook
Also unknown if it works on prot, just know about it from arms pvp discussion when things changed
i imagine its the same here since its the same spell id
modern brook
yeah i havnt been playing much to test, but if it worked for fury then enrage wo...
rampage->cast bar pog
cyan summit
How do you guys deal with the stigma of pride DoT on the last boss of halls on tyrannical?
sweet summit
rotate cds and pray
lavish oracle
yeah, pretty much
call for sac if I need it
basically just let my healer know it's gonna fuck me up
cyan summit
Yeah that's what I've been doing, was wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong.
That dot just really hurts
lavish oracle
it does more damage the longer it's been active so make sure you're popping your CDs later into the dot
fleet river
You should turn around and respec arms
Because arms owns in tc
Keep rerolling until you get the -80% DbtS cooldown anima power
Enjoy your 100% immunity to melee damage
mild dawn
Because arms owns in tc
Is arms generally better for torgaths or only for tc?
fleet river
I do fury in non-TC
cinder nova
But I'm already immune to melee damage
fleet river
Clear both wings in about 20 minutes
fleet river
Yeah and you do 1/5th the damage
cinder nova
Not in TC lol
fleet river
Have you tried as arms?
cinder nova
Yeah, I don't care much for it. Rampage fury sword fan build is pretty autopilot
sick sentinel
nw 15 deleted
cinder nova
TC and torghast isn't hard enough for me to give a shit about minmaxing
Especially spending the time rolling that shit as arms
fleet river
Do what works for you but tc8 was frustrating as fury and slow as prot
Arms was a pure steamroll
sick sentinel
oh no.... spires 16... crap lol, should be interesting
rancid ember
nw 15 deleted
Grats how many 15s to go
strong forum
Do what works for you but tc8 was frustrating as fury and slow as prot
🤷♂️ I did all 8 layers in 7.5hrs total as prot
I guess if you practice it you can go faster but why bother
vale tulip
new to prot and going to be tanking in 9.1 is there a covenant that has the edge or does it not really matter
vale tulip
okay im already kyrian so i wont swap, thanks!
wraith surge
guys i just installed elvui but i still have the default UI over it
does some 1 know how to fix?
or at least remove the blizz ui
sweet summit
is elvui set as load?
sweet summit
jagged pier
@chilly brook u around?
chilly brook
Kinda, at work wassup?
jagged pier
we never gunna be able to do the thing are we ?
sturdy sable
@cinder nova you mind linking me that EHP WA?
cinder nova
Sure, mine might be outta date
sweet summit
cinder nova
Thank-you erga I love you
sweet summit
cinder nova
+1 simp, but only for today
sweet summit
aw
blazing condor
sturdy sable
: 💖
nocturne sage
Been outta the loop for a minute but should I craft reprisal on legs or feet?
sweet summit
legs
sterile swallow
Will reprisal be better than the wall for raiding in the new patch?
sweet summit
seems like it
errant oriole
Hey guys i was thinking of going night fae over venthyr for prot, what do yall think of night fae for prot?
sweet summit
a lot better than venthyr
mighty valley
it's great, follow your heart
errant oriole
Alright cool how is the new soulbinds lookin for tank for night fae?
sweet summit
there was this one niya(?) soulbind that looked insane defensively, but i think they fixed it
you can check out 9.1 soulbind on wowheads soulbind calculator if youd like
sterile swallow
Ok thanks!
errant oriole
Oh nice thanks
harsh cedar
there was this one niya(?) soulbind that looked insane defensively, but i think ...
Wasnt it Naya that had like "You absorb 50% of all damage below 80%" or something like that xD? That sounded bonkers. I think it is now a 30% shield when dropping below 80% (1 min internal CD)
Still seems really nice tbh
sweet summit
yea that one
it was without an icd for a while
at least the tooltip
didnt try it on ptr tho so not sure how it worked
harsh cedar
I couldnt find any info about it, sorry if it has been asked before. But how is Spear CD looking like with Mekanikos Soulbind?
harsh cedar
xD I hope it is not 40 mins haha
sweet summit
minimum*
harsh cedar
40 sec sounds reasonable tbh. I hear VDH get theirs down to around 25 sec, but they start lower too
tacit smelt
If only Bron scaled
harsh cedar
Bron has fixed dps?
sweet summit
i have no idea lol
harsh cedar
He does seem to have some pretty nice defensive stuff for prot tbh. Autotrigger phial under 30% + Aoe stun at 30%. Or 15% haste on pull
sweet summit
auto trigger, not a fan
dont like the knock when you use phial either
just clunky lol
harsh cedar
Yeah, not a fan of that one
In many ways Mekanikos feels like it is designed for PvP. A lot of stun/knock/CC reduction and stuff
sweet summit
yea
harsh cedar
I got some questions like. Does the autouse of phial at 30% put it on CD? If so it sucks, if it only uses a charge I really dont mind it. Can get new phials all the time in M+
sweet summit
it does
harsh cedar
Really? The last talent that good huh?
harsh cedar
Soulglow?
harsh cedar
I can see it being a lot of damage against bosses, but cant see it being much for your overall in M+. Am I missing something?
sweet summit
the cd reduction is tied to how many enemies you hit
gaunt dawn
If only Bron scaled
He does scale
sweet summit
more spears=more damage and more rage=more revenge
sweet summit
vers too or nah?
sweet summit
oh?
gaunt dawn
Leading to funky scenarios where specs that convert ap to sp get more
Its teeny but it's a gain
Iirc its 30% ap or 50% sp whichever is higher
tacit smelt
I mean if we are gonna summoning a golem I want this thing to be bashing mobs upside the head with a chair
sweet summit
oh sick
gaunt dawn
Theres also a whole bunch of bron related bugs on ptr
An icd was added to the stack gain
But it made it stack per event rather than per cast
So AoE on 10 targets gave 10 stacks instead of 1
sweet summit
gaunt dawn
Anyway this icd was set to 50ms
harsh cedar
the cd reduction is tied to how many enemies you hit
Yeah, mostly meant that soulglow is only 1 target at a time, ramping.So on an average M+ pull you gonna get a reduced effect since most dps is front loaded, and it is only 1 target at random.
gaunt dawn
(Probs meant to be 500ms)
So if you go in with like 4 aoe spells. You can get it to proc
Obv going to be fixed but if you want some fun times surrounded in brons
Give it a pop on ptr
Those are all the bron facts I have for now
sweet summit
thank you Panthea, very cool
harsh cedar
@gaunt dawn Do you know what the CDR cap for the last talentrow? does it cap in 20 or 30 CDR if you have enough targets?
This is a bit unclear xD
gaunt dawn
Honestly. Didnt math it out but was relatively underwhelming in testing.
sweet summit
Yeah, mostly meant that soulglow is only 1 target at a time, ramping.So on an av...
yea but you usually have a prio target to focus down even in m+, so its a nice boost to that and bosses as you said
gaunt dawn
Just made you desync really
That was on dk and monk I tested bosses on
Warrior is slightly more drop and forget
So less of a concern
harsh cedar
If the soulbind is a fixed amount of CDR/target, it would have a larger impact on warr and DH with their 1 min CDS than monk which is 3.
Speculating ofc, havent tried it on PTR
sweet summit
isnt monks 2?
gaunt dawn
Think the value is diff per class
Monk is 2min yea
On testing I usually had it back at 1m40
And it was like ah cool
I'll hold this for a bit
Cos I have nothing to pair this with
gaunt dawn
Ish
harsh cedar
I mean, for Monk that kinda sucks since you want to stack with Xuen and stuff anyway right
gaunt dawn
You're dodging with WoO up which lowers niuzao value
sweet summit
oh
gaunt dawn
Niuzao soaks your stagger
sweet summit
i have no idea how monks work now lol
harsh cedar
But as a prot warr, having a Snap agro ability at 40 seconds vs 60 seconds can be pretty huge in M+. Depending on where you are that is every pack, or every other pack. Big difference
gaunt dawn
But his damage is based on the size of your purify
sweet summit
you already have that on ravager but yeah, its quite nice
harsh cedar
I got triggerhappy dps friends xD Can never have to much snap agro
gaunt dawn
You peel it you tank it 😡
sweet summit
preach
harsh cedar
oooof. Gonna need to look into this. My warr is Fae atm since I mostly play it for Fury atm. Gonna need to look into Fae choices I guess and see if I can persuade myself it aint worth switching and grinding that 40 renown xD
gaunt dawn
If you're curious on it. Play about on ptr with it
See what your average comes down to
Share that info here
🙂
sick sentinel
this is what happens whenever i try to run a 15 or a 16
obtuse monolith
this is what happens whenever i try to run a 15 or a 16
Only one more week of World of Routecraft. Hi-5
inland raft
Then its beeline for the powers and just make sure get percent basically
grand drum
no more having to metagame around every 20%
sick sentinel
i dunno if i could do KSM this coming week but possibly
i did NW and PF 15 timed today, i could do top, dos, spires, mists are all potentially really easy
i think that would be awesome to be able in future patches of SL say i got my ksm before 9.1
sweet summit
kyrian>=night fae
broken panther
ty<3
coral sierra
One question, i will play as Fury in raid and Tank in M+ and probably i will change my covenant to Venthyr. It's possible to have a good perform tanking with venthyr or NF/Kyrian perform gap is so high?
ocean yoke
Im seeing a bunch of logs on WCL for sludge using reprisal, any opinions on using reprisal for that fight for those who have? Ive never tried it and my team is looking to down sludge before next patch
patent osprey
One question, i will play as Fury in raid and Tank in M+ and probably i will cha...
mmm no matter your cov, good solid play will always be more important. Our covs as prot warriors aren't really insane outside some niche cases. Even before reprisal was out I tanked 22s with the wall as venthyr very early in the season. Venthyr is Def a fine choice just not the most optimal
obtuse monolith
The Venth legendary that Fury will be using in 9.1, looks like in Prot spec it adds 3s to Last Stand per Condemn.
If it extends the Shield Block from Bolster too could that be 100% LS+SB uptime for 20%->0% Phase 3s?
Seems like that’d be fun to push a kill
coral sierra
thanks @patent osprey
lucid sand
The Venth legendary that Fury will be using in 9.1, looks like in Prot spec it a...
Last I checked on the ptr, it does not extend the effect of bolster, only the last stand hp buff
astral plover
Im seeing a bunch of logs on WCL for sludge using reprisal, any opinions on usin...
I used it during our prog on the fight, I found that using it I was able to have pretty close to 100% uptime on SB when tanking the boss. I haven't done the fight with The Wall, so can't compare the two for you
ocean yoke
hmm ok. the almost permanent block uptime certainly sounds nice to me since I know you can already get pretty close on sludge normally. i may give them both a shot tomorrow and see how it goes
sturdy sable
hmm ok. the almost permanent block uptime certainly sounds nice to me since I kn...
Sludgefist is reprisals best fight
ocean yoke
ok sick, ill definitely give it a shot. figured it had to be good, WCl had like 50% of logs with it on
sturdy sable
Use it for slg and sire as well
I haven't taken reprisal off since i made it
Well that's not true ive memed with seismic reverb
sick sentinel
Mists 12 from something 16 wsting the entire pride buff on maze decisions and screw ups and then wiping twice on 2nd boss is where I have to officially call it
Time 2 15s then back to deplete central, wtf
sick sentinel
Even when you win, they still win
sturdy sable
Your best bet would be to get a group of Mates to run with next season
Or start friending the good players you run into in the sea of not so good players lol
mental scarab
Well if you are a good tank you always make frends from my exp and as always from random ppl in m+ ” woaw i thought warriors where bad tanks”
lavish oracle
Babysitting pugs is like an entirely separate skillset, haha
sturdy sable
Lol every now an then when i pug someone always ends up asking me either why im a warrior or they end up going "wow i didnt know warriors were good"
sick sentinel
Dh stood in 168k of the frontal shit from mazes adds 380k fail damage
So I linked fail damage and told them we fuck up boss again I leave
Then we fuck up and I leave
lavish oracle
that's kinda rude
I dunno, pugs are bad, I don't think I've ever left a key early unless it was very very clear we weren't gonna be able to finish
sick sentinel
If they are that dumb I'm stopping feeling sorry.
lavish oracle
you sound like a joy to play with
sick sentinel
Eventually subjected to enough crap your brain just flips the button you stop caring
plucky stag
Hi. Quick question: is it ok to still make Reprisal on the legs armor? Is it getting a domination socket in 9.1 or no
balmy coral
Ya boys!!! Finally someone gets it. Prot warrior is STRONG!!!!
tame jasper
Hi. Quick question: is it ok to still make Reprisal on the legs armor? Is it get...
Still legs
No dom socket on leg
plucky stag
thx 🙂
round vortex
hmm ok. the almost permanent block uptime certainly sounds nice to me since I kn...
Its particularly good on Sludgefist because you can make a macro to intervene your co-tank. You can also charge back in after every stomp so it procs alot.
You can definitely achieve 100% uptime while tanking.
I always intervene my co-tank on the pillars as well so that you get the proc for extra damage
topaz dragon
Do not be a fool like me and craft it on your boots hoping to get the slg drop. Raids dont drop loot anymore
round vortex
I went giga brain and just progged 8/10M
Can't regret your choice if you don't kill the boss LOL
undone pilot
is there a spreadsheet, or something similar, that shows the approximate damage gain per spec for banner buff?
jagged pier
Its still the same numbers no?
undone pilot
think i found it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kKlKAK1extJMB4EB3okGJ9jpVZZJE3xQacM9lS3RbWA/edit#gid=1257458573
misty charm
wait so you are telling me
you added the emote
but still no revenj one?
smh my head
blazing condor
jagged pier
chilly brook
Smh no outside emotes
jagged pier
obsidian girder
Heya, reprisal pants are still the thing for m+ in 9.1 - isn't it
jagged pier
Yus
obsidian girder
Good. So just need to swap wall shoulders.
jagged pier
I mean yes and no
U shouldnt really ever need the wall again, and on top of that
U need a piece to drop with the socket
obsidian girder
Wall for raid
jagged pier
It may be shoulders it may not be
What no? Rep is better in the raid even now
In CN
obsidian girder
Oo
strong forum
Eradi still living in 9.0
jagged pier
^
strong forum
didnt get the memo
obsidian girder
Nah, just loving more survival vs revenge dps
strong forum
Rep is better
jagged pier
Reprisal if more survival
strong forum
both in dmg and survival
jagged pier
^
obsidian girder
Blocking physical attacks vs. Walling mechanics
strong forum
what mechanics
jagged pier
Same cd on shield wall with then though as u usually run bolster with the wall for prog
🤔
strong forum
with rep + am, SW is still 1.5min CD
obsidian girder
Hm okay. So Safe the money on the wall and just run reprisal
strong forum
so you get 20-30% more block uptime, more dmg and the same SW usage
the only thing is, its not as braindead to play reprisal
obsidian girder
Yeah, got that - thanks for giving me the memo
strong forum
quite sad how many people come in here
and are surprised that reprisal is good in raid
jagged pier
☝️
jagged pier
obsidian girder
Well, I guess several guides say so
Guess everyone stopped reading after the table
Like me🐒
harsh cedar
We are not getting any new conduits for the patch right? I just seem to remember reading that we would somewhere, but I cant find any
valid glacier
I wonder if we will be able to solo a 12 torghast and do it perfectly the first week
strong forum
We are not getting any new conduits for the patch right? I just seem to remember...
nop, the conduit system has been abandonded
nothing new
9.1 is going to be the exact same patch, except with as different raid and different seasonal affix
besides that nothing changes
harsh cedar
I wonder if we will be able to solo a 12 torghast and do it perfectly the first ...
I did some TG on the PTR (as fury though) and found no real problems with doing it. I'm not sure if they will cap how far you can get in the new talent tree, but that one sure does help a lot. So if it is uncapped, you might struggle the first runs. but once you unlocked some talents it makes it a lot easier.
strong forum
you do the same just with bigger numbers
harsh cedar
9.1 is going to be the exact same patch, except with as different raid and diffe...
#SadTimes
proud carbon
nothing new
proud carbon
aye, not commenting on whether they are good lol
blazing condor
Is the main stat one ass because its not often enough?
serene stag
it's got a 50% uptime
Assuming you're being healed by your healers the whole time
It's not like prot warriors have anything decent for their offensive conduit slots outside of the cov specific ones (Spear/AA damage, Str buff w/banner).
jagged pier
It also gives like no main stat anymore
timber cloud
if I intervene my cotank on sludge w reprisal, am I taking double hits or does heavy fists work such that intervene is a wash?
sweet summit
youre basically solo tanking if you intervene your co tank on sludge
scenic ore
Whats everyones thoughts on the shatds of domination system?
sweet summit
dumb way of introducing something cool
jagged pier
if I intervene my cotank on sludge w reprisal, am I taking double hits or does h...
You take all the damagr but u can intervene other ppl like the chain slam targets etc, u can infact get 100% uptime withoug intervene at all but u need to play very well
timber cloud
I've been averaging something like 85% block without reprisal - mostly just trying to parse damage ngl lol
i figure even without intervene, charge value will pay off
reprisal is bonkers
median tulip
