Its a question of ”do you wanna put the extra effort to gain more advantage or not”
#protection
blazing condor
strong forum
it makes pwar even more rewarding when you play well
which is what i like about pwar, you get rewarded for playing well
fleet river
Yes it raises the skill cap a bit but it isn't always necessary and for example if you are shot calling a simpler legendary for a very marginal penalty isn't such a bad tradeoff
strong forum
in a more "on the nose" kind of way
strong forum
Yes it raises the skill cap a bit but it isn't always necessary and for example ...
at the end of the day its down to the person, but it takes literally 0 brainpower for me to use reprisal
for example
blazing condor
Reprisal is just spam your charge button a bit more
Even if you dont play with 100% effort and play your entire gameplay around it it’ll still be more rewarding
opaque quest
And even if you dont. Enjoy more rage on pull and not dying to melee
And snap aggro from rev
tender glen
do we have to recraft reprisal?
opaque quest
Upgrade
jagged pier
do we have to recraft reprisal?
if u have it on legs, no
inland raft
Prot doesnt skip leg day
blazing condor
Im still jacked as shit from all the clapping in bfa
strong forum
okay first off
my guy
you need to look at what youre pressing
i know youve come a long way from being a clicker
but for a solid 3 globals in the first pack after you get the big guy in you legit press neither revenge or SS
same thing as you charge the next pack
you dont press a button for a solid 3 globals
you charged the pack and just stood there without pressing TC ( which should be your first button to get aggro on a fresh pack)
sick sentinel
i'm sure there will be plenty of things for you guys to get upset at me about
strong forum
ya, so ill stop here for now 😄
sick sentinel
problem i have with SS is just not facing the right way
strong forum
mh.
sick sentinel
being in melee
strong forum
what ive noticed is youre not repositioning, you kinda plant yourself
and just sit there
after engaging
i guess you still have trouble multitasking movement + pressing buttons + looking out whats happening around you
would be my guess
since your buttons are all at the bottom you kinda focus on either looking at the mobs OR at your bottns
sick sentinel
depends on the day, some are worse than others
strong forum
that seems to be happening from what im seeing
youre making active decisions between navigating your character and mobs and doing your rotation
from the looks of it
could be wrong
sick sentinel
i'm going to have to do that invisble button crap again
strong forum
i recommend getting a more centered UI
and hiding buttons ye
its the best way to FORCE muscle memory
sick sentinel
well, if i ever do that, i'm going to like take a block of wood and carve in what each button is so i can reference it later
strong forum
strong forum
but youve improved since BFA so thats a start 👍
sick sentinel
my problem with invisible button is, a big fear that some patch or update or new version for an addon will come along and screw with all my crap
strong forum
na
sick sentinel
and then everything is reset, and it all goes to hell
opaque quest
Well my buttons hide infight
strong forum
mine only show on mouseover
sick sentinel
i honestly do not understand the elvui, so i don't give them any thought
inland raft
Ui is never truly finished
sick sentinel
we came a long way since the days of you had to go to the curse site and download the zip folder extract put it in ur addons folder and reboot game
inland raft
Always some small change you find
opaque quest
I love my elvui
strong forum
we came a long way since the days of you had to go to the curse site and downloa...
i did that all the way until BFA ngl
opaque quest
curse side omfg
sick sentinel
that was the process back in 2004 to install addons and it sucked
opaque quest
We are boomers
strong forum
i manually installed addons until like 3 years ago
inland raft
Now i make backups of my wow folder every so often
inland raft
Because i dread losing all my ui data
opaque quest
Safe is safe
strong forum
i dont backup shit
sick sentinel
after 20 addons i cant just be bothered to try to manually update
just run the program
inland raft
O its easy to set back up for sure
strong forum
practice makes perfect
inland raft
But its time consuming aince i have several specs with elvui profiles that change between class/spec
And im lazy
And mildly ocd with a lot of things pixel perfect
opaque quest
Wanna know whats time consuming?
55 Minutes +7 DOS
Do it like the 4 drakthul donkes i have. Just turn off your screen
No UI no Hassle
opaque quest
Well. No ilvl no invite
strong forum
opaque quest
People want 233 for +2
strong forum
plaguefall 8
strong forum
my dos keys
the most depletes
actually nvm
SD has 3 depletes
2 of that were week1 tho
inland raft
Funny how sd went from cancer to most fun imo at least dungeon
strong forum
nani the fuck
inland raft
Got mega nerfed so its fun to just punp big numbers with the damage amp from urns
Ive gotten better overall then mists there
strong forum
i havent done SD with a venthyr
actually nvm i do
but most of them were either weekly no leavers
strong forum
or a boost
inland raft
Ya i played with friends we got good at extending the buff going into ring twice
strong forum
SD is so god damn annoying
all keys are annoying
opaque quest
Every half decent player went playing classic
strong forum
boycott SL keys
inland raft
But now i dont play at all kek
opaque quest
And the scum that stayed is the absolute worst dogshit pile ive ever experienced
strong forum
F
inland raft
Id say no way but i havnt played in so long and also rarely pugged to begin with i have no clue how bad the scene is now
inland raft
Sl had good premises, but they all wither half baked or actively sabotaged
opaque quest
No point in playing M+ when you get 1 item every 10 runs. Most ppl just left and only casual stayed
strong forum
the only way i can see SL being good is if youre in a top 200+ guild and have a SICK m+ team
inland raft
Like blizzard looked at systems and held meetings on how they could ruin it
sick sentinel
opaque quest
S Q U I S H Y
inland raft
I sincerely no lie believe shadowlands could have been one of best ever expansions if the systems had been properly executed
opaque quest
O U T O F M E T A
inland raft
Instead we got this
opaque quest
They just had to make anima like artifact power
Even if you dont get stuff, you still get a bit better after every WQ or dung or boss kill
Like imagine not getting gear for 5 runs but unlocking a dope new artifact trait
I woulndt complain
tender glen
can't say I don't agree with this chart
opaque quest
The DK one hurts me
Cause its so true
Im running in, using blood boil. Then i run for my life
"tank"
strong forum
opaque quest
Ion in every meeting when ppl show them problems
strong forum
thats me whenever theres any kind of ranking list
just ignore it even if its positive
opaque quest
To bad the meta slaves dont
wraith surge
arent ranking lists useless
strong forum
they are
opaque quest
They are
wraith surge
i like how i made a warrior and now its kinda paying off
strong forum
like bitch, if you actually were to play on the level where it could matter youd already know
wraith surge
fk the meta dude useless sht unless ur playing for world first
strong forum
frost was never bad
blazing condor
some classes are just very comfy to have unfortunately
doesnt mean you cant play any other specs
inland raft
Frost in hands of average player already dis better then fire
Because average player didnt min max fires strengths
inland raft
But nom, how can i time a 2 if i dont play the absolute most meta comp?
strong forum
its funny to me
how we did +14s week1 without legendaries and 180 ilvl
and people struggle in sub 10s with 200++ ilvl and "meta" comps
inland raft
162 ilvl with no leggo when did my first warrior 14
strong forum
but hey, pwar bad amirite
inland raft
But pwar is literal shit
jagged pier
who remebers that tier list vid from a few weeks ago warrior only uses rage on IP or SB
strong forum
cuz it was a shit fucking cloak
i think
or legendary slot
either or
i chose 223 haste vers + socket wrists
i still wear them
jagged pier
nearly as good as the one in beta where he was ssat at full rage saying warrior was bad
amber herald
even though he showed a screenshot of a warriors damage makeup in the video showing revenge dmg at the top
strong forum
"dmg breakdown looks almost similar - class must be the same"
amber herald
why even make a video like that if you have no idea
strong forum
his words
strong forum
why even make a video like that if you have no idea
to shit out content, i said this multiple times
jagged pier
why even make a video like that if you have no idea
YT money
blazing condor
ive started watching the guy opening BMAH boxes
wraith surge
sweet summit
copper lion
is it just me or the first boss in ToP kinda hard with necrotic?
strong forum
yes it is
strong forum
thats why you need extra focus to kill the melee guy first
highest prio over everything is killing the melee guy so you can reset stacks
copper lion
4th?
amber herald
are they actually? the fight is pretty boring without her
strong forum
the rogue that stuns you/party members
strong forum
cuz she was bugged
so they just removed her
few months back actually
they removed her
inland raft
they ever going to finish making devos? im like 99% sure they intended to give her a buff if she was in the shield cuz she does get a visual effect on her, seems like a incomplete mechanic
strong forum
🤷♂️
inland raft
i mainly just want to listen to casuals cry if they did
god forbid you position a boss
blazing condor
I felt like a baller with impeccable positional skills in the beginning of my SoA runs
Then i realized it didnt matter
sick sentinel
14 mists i guess
blazing condor
First boss on tyrannical is probably one of the harder ”checks” in m+
sick sentinel
first boss spires is literally go to the birds tail and get out of black holes
can never get hit by the 3 way attack, if you stand at behind tail
sick sentinel
those bolts hurt
sick sentinel
not at the key levels im doing they don't 1 shot
opaque quest
Cant see shit
blazing condor
Meant in mists for the record
sick sentinel
kindred pine
Is it worth going Kyrian over NF for the glow stick of destiny and the potions?
inland raft
Its worth going if you dont have a kyrian in group otherwise they borh have pros and cons
sweet echo
Which way is prot leaning towards in 9.1?
inland raft
Im a big advocate for nf so im bias but only if you have a kyrian
Otherwise its kyrian all the way
If you dont play with a kyrian extremely reliably then its really not much of a debate, kyrian is de facto tank cov due to rarity
jagged pier
U can play any cov i like
inland raft
Doesn’t matter prot is cov agnostic
jagged pier
Top prot in the world was venthyr and doing 23s at the start of the expansion
inland raft
Nf and kyrian play the best
solemn pasture
I have a monk and we need a venth
inland raft
But all cova are viable for prot
jagged pier
All covs viable and tanks are usually used to fill the spot
inland raft
Just dont play necro cuz necro is cringe
jagged pier
Go venthyr u just wont be pressing condemn in aoe
solemn pasture
It's either me or the elemental shaman. But he would lose like 10% st damage
inland raft
Tank always is the the one that takes the fall for cov diversity unless another class loses nothing
solemn pasture
I love being NF
But yeah Draven looks alright. So despite losing a spell the soulbinds are good
inland raft
Nf is bae im a huge supporter but im never gonna say pick it over cov diversity
Tank is the most flexible role for that
bold plume
NF go brrrr don’t stand up !
fleet river
Kyrian owns these folks don't even know bout the transport network
Imagine not being able to mount in your sanctum lmfao
kindred trellis
Unless you are a dwarf (either kind) the kyrian potion to remove debuffs is pretty superior. But everything is viable.
fleet river
If you wanna talk numbers kyrian is the obvious choice for defensiveness
But NF is clearly ahead in offensive/damage which is most often the bottleneck in the highest keys
fossil summit
yo is it normal in a M+2 that I, a ilvl 186 Prot warrior had trouble keeping aggro on big pulls when the ilvl 230 Arms warrior would frontload burst mobs as soon as I pull?
urban portal
fossil summit
it didnt create arguments or anything I'd be able to get aggro back like 2-3 seconds later but at the start of pulls the Arms warrior would do like 20K DPS so I had trouble keeping up the aggro
true
opaque quest
Simple. S P E A R
If a arms does that i use challenging - > spear - > ravager and i never lose aggro
mellow bridge
That honestly read like a parody
Yes, it is completely normal to lose aggro like that
obtuse meadow
What the cov to play in 9.1? Any predictions?
viral flume
After my first bit of practicing prot today in a +12 PF I found I struggled dealing with being slowed, any tips to combat slows as warrior? Specific example being slowed while trying to get out of range of borers. Intervene and leap were both on cd and I got the dot on me, forced my kyrian pot when I wanted to save it for necrotic dispel. Should I try and keep leap available in these situations?
viral flume
What the cov to play in 9.1? Any predictions?
From what I was told earlier, mikanikos kyrian is our go to next patch, but we can get away with any cov
fleet river
Defensive option is kyrian, damage option is nf. Nothing is unplayablely bad and everything works below +20s and most mythic raiding
Play what you want to play, play what your mythic+ group needs, or just play kyrian
rose furnace
After my first bit of practicing prot today in a +12 PF I found I struggled deal...
What I do is set a ranged dps or healer as a focus target, and have an intervene macro that will do mouseover first if I find a specific person I need, or focus target as the second option. Use that when you need to get out and leap is down
Unless you're dumping it for reprisal
viral flume
Right now I'm still learning and panic press intervene cuz I don't have any shield block up due to missuse. I'll try and save intervene a bit longer on those pulls
mellow bridge
What's stopping you from saving leap
And keep in mind, if you disrupt their casts they don't recast it until the CD is over again
- you can reflect them
viral flume
I'm guilty for using heroic leap to pull when I should be charging or just to move quick instead of mounting..I got a bit to work on 😅 dps habits
carmine carbon
What tanks are gonna be meta in 9.1?
chilly brook
What tanks are gonna be meta in 9.1?
Does it matter?
carmine carbon
I mean I will probably still play a warrior I am just curious if there is any big changes I havent been paying too much attention to the changes
obtuse monolith
It strikes me I have no idea what’s happening w upgrade ranks in 9.1 but in 9.0.5 you go to item upgrade dude in Oribos or covenant sanctum and pay Valor per rank to upgrade. 1 rank is 3-4 ilvls but you can only go up to iLvl 200 until you time each dungeon at +5.
copper lion
can anyone post a good route for tyrannical HoA
fresh ruin
M+ survival question... what is best last tier talent for surviving?
is it AM, Heavy Rep... or bolster?
fleet river
AM generally
fresh ruin
is AM not more dpsish?
fleet river
bolster should not be necessary if you are maximizing use of reprisal
fresh ruin
im "trying" to, but not getting double charges in or anything sadly
fleet river
you said you wanted survival not dps
fresh ruin
right.
fleet river
well lucky for you, AM is both
potent anvil
AM makes shield wall like a <2 min-ish cd. So you can use it pretty liberally for survivability.
copper lion
so some tips on Domina Venomblade to get adds out faster? i shouldnt have to move her too much if dps are helping break out adds??
fresh ruin
what about kyrian conduits?
fresh ruin
atm im using Unnerving focus, stalwart guardian, piercing verdict adn insp pres.
potent anvil
That should work
potent anvil
Yeah. Generally you pick covenant potency first. Unless youre venthyr.
fleet river
i guess its a marginal threat increase but tclap has been nerfed far from what it was in bfa
you should still be pressing it on cooldown, as it will proc free shield slams
fresh ruin
im trying to find a happy medium between my dps spec and tank, so i dont have to keep fliping stuff
fleet river
what level of content are you doing?
potent anvil
You kinda spend a lot more time spamming revenge. And basically one shield slam gives one revenge. So tclap gets less used as a dps button and mostly kiting/rage gen.
fresh ruin
14 to 15s as tank, and trying to do 17s to 18s as dps
i thought revenge was only used if it was a free "proc"
fresh ruin
o. ok
fleet river
but you have to weigh un-procced revenge against your defensive rage needs
if you are in a good spot, go ahead and spend rage on revenge. things looking dicey? save it
fresh ruin
K
im guessing conduit wise, there is no happy medium between prot and fury, and we just have to keep flipping conudits.
fleet river
just use kleia for fury, its not that bad
it isn't 100% optimal but its a lot better than switching conduits every single time you respec
fresh ruin
ah k, i didnt see her used much in sub, so tahts why i didnt use her.
fleet river
or mika, whichever is 2nd
my point is, don't overwhelm yourself with absolute maximums. it's a game and 18s are not that hard
fresh ruin
i must need more training then lol
fleet river
you can poke and prod at your gear and talents and numbers all you want. the single biggest thing you can do is play better. don't stand in stuff, take advantage of all beneficial mechanics, time your cooldowns correctly and/or use them as much as possible
all those things are 1000000x more effective than conduit choices
sweet echo
Night fae just uses ancient aftershock conduit. For both
median robin
@copper lion
warped wigeon
soy noob
bold plume
Blizzard reverts necrotic nerf....lolololol
vale tulip
what are the best secondaries for our legendaries? haste vers?
jagged pier
yes
vale tulip
and the wall should ideally be on shoulders?
jagged pier
cloak now
because next patch
but u should really go for reprisal
its better in everything
vale tulip
oh i thought it was a 50/50 so was just going to make wall first since i unlocked it first
vale tulip
okay ill holdoff on making one, which slot should reprisal be
jagged pier
legs
slate shell
Hey lads, been away for quite some time, any idea how prot war is looking for 9.1?
fathom stag
The amount of "run the mechanic" away stuff that I saw on raid testing ptr kind of bothers me.
jagged pier
thats great for reprisal
sour notch
which covenant is the best for 9.1
tame jasper
So as the Sockets of Dominions are active in M+ (the sockets, not the set bonuses!), we have to raid, right? And then reprisal changes from legs do feet?
verbal ledge
Do we wanna keep reprisal on legs in 9.1?
sleek dune
was going to ask the same thing, in respect of the new kyrian lego
sweet summit
which covenant is the best for 9.1
Kyrian>=NF
sweet summit
So as the Sockets of Dominions are active in M+ (the sockets, not the set bonuse...
I think so
Reprisal stays on legs
sweet summit
Do we wanna keep reprisal on legs in 9.1?
Yes
sweet summit
was going to ask the same thing, in respect of the new kyrian lego
Legs ye
But it has nothing to do with the kyrian lego
cedar spear
Hey, with Domination sockets being a thing and many people recrafting legos for sockets right now, what are the slots we'll want to be wearing the Wall in in 9.1?
strong forum
Technically you shouldn't be wearing wall, but if you want to, on cloak
edgy belfry
you should pin the answer to these questions
sweet summit
@ mwahi 9.1 cheatsheet/copypasta when
ionic fern
verbal ledge
@sweet summit Ty buddie
sweet summit
jagged pier
fickle ether
if anyone's bored and wants to go over my prot warrior's sire logs and tell me what he's doing wrong it would be very much appreciated. I noticed his Ignore pain uptime in p2 is like 10% or less not sure how big of a difference that makes but i'm assuming it would help if he matched everyone else's 30-50% uptime. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/My3tXaFp6C1gmGV7/#type=damage-done&fight=11&source=15
and I was wondering if anyone had a cooldown usage sheet for Sire.
jagged pier
I mean you shouldnt really care about IP uptime
fickle ether
we'll I feel like he's dying when he shouldn't be. I checked top 100 logs and everyone's IP uptime is 30-50% in p2. His IP uptime is 6% in that pull I linked
jagged pier
When @chilly brook is around im running through the fight with him your welcome to join innon he convo
fickle ether
Alright just tag me, that would be awesome.
dreamy rain
who is this @jagged pier and why is he always helping us pleb warriors
tardy burrow
So, how is reprisal properly played in raid? Heroic leaping out and charging back into bosses?
amber herald
Sometimes or running out when there's a cast
fresh belfry
or you know, just fight a boss like sylvanas who YEEETS all over the place anyway
tardy burrow
I can see that
fresh belfry
many boses in DoS give ample opportunity to naturally keep at least a stack on CD
unkempt root
So im thinking of having a prot/fury alt for 9.1 where id prot in m+ and fury in raids. What covenant would be better for it? I was thinking of night fea, ty in advance
amber herald
nf is best for that
unkempt root
Cheers friend
river escarp
Is it ok to charge/intervene as much as possible when your SB is already on a high duration?
river escarp
Yeah I am. Usually my SB duration with heavy percussions in a pack is always over 10 secs. Im never dropping it tbh
amber herald
oh you actually only play HR with reprisal anyway
river escarp
Yeah I play both
amber herald
anyway yeah it's ok, desirable even as long as it is effective uptime
you're also getting a big chunk of rage from that as well don't forget
and empowered revenges so
river escarp
When using HR, is there a case where you might have too high of a duration on SB so that it'd be better to use AM?
amber herald
the general consensus is here is that you get enough SB uptime with reprisal alone that you should play AM most of the time anyway
HR/ITF is more of a turtle build for really high keys or super hard hitting bosses
it's a fine build to play though if you like it
river escarp
Yeah I def feel safer playing it, but maybe I can cut off some excess SB duration and have more avatar uptime. Thanks
amber herald
it's a question of offence vs defence, build for which one you think is going to benefit you most
hollow sun
do you guys get pride for the first boss of halls? i got called out in a 19 yesterday cause i haven't planned a route with pride on first boss, even though we killed him just fine
hollow sun
mhhhh
amber herald
you might want pride/hero for the second as that boss is harder than the first
fresh belfry
I also dont know how not to get a pride on second unless you invis it which I wouldnt do in a pug
hollow sun
its possible in both ways
perhaps its not as efficient
you pull like 68% before first boss and then just go up if you are not invis
get the 80% with one of the 2 gargoyles
hollow sun
yeah but if you are pugging without invis it doesn't really matter
fresh belfry
you dont need invis to run past gargoyles
hollow sun
at least imo
i know but waiting for them can be a huge waste of time
if you run pugs that actually might not have an invis potion then time is not too big of a concern, cause you find those dudes in 15s perhaps
i was just surprised that people wanted pride on first boss
fresh belfry
oh yeah having invis potion is one thing but im talking about skipping the pride with an invis potion which is a different thing
hollow sun
mhhh, i haven't really done that
so far prides have been beneficial
i have yet to do a 20, maybe it changes from there
fresh belfry
it's def not necessary below, idk maybe 23s+ or something
but then again having a pride buff is neither
mellow bridge
heavily depends on the dungeon as well imo
like some prides in top are just so incredibly useless
that skipping them becomes valuable way earlier than in other dungeons
eager tulip
With the new domintation gear comming to shoulder pieces, is it better to get The Wall legendary on cloak instead of shoulder now?
fresh belfry
yes
sweet summit
Just play reprisal and dont worry about it 
sick sentinel
i didn't catch it exactly, but i went to do 14 pf with guild members, and we got to the pride with the pat where you skip to the tentacles and we were all 5 supposed to use invispots
something a dot, probably jumped in river ticked and i got 1 second of it, so, i lost the invis immediately and we had to pull from there.
totally screwed up the rythym for the prides.
we had okay time going into final boss but we just lost anyway all fell apart
i was asking if they had a rogue when we joined and i'm uncertain but nearly positive no necro for buff
fresh belfry
it really sucks to do more trash than necessary in that area. if I do what you described I prefer to not invis and just take the detour around along the left wall
sick sentinel
we did blue pull i went across river at right side to hug wall, popped invis pot and fail
and we had pride, so i was like, oh, well shit
fresh belfry
you run past him lol
sick sentinel
he doesn't aggro?
fresh belfry
no
sick sentinel
oh, okay, and so i just stay hard left?
hollow sun
It's a 14 pugged, just avoid invis skips,it's much safer
main wasp
will the Sylvannas trinket Old Warrior Soul be one of the BiS for prot warriors in 9.1 because of the haste?
fresh belfry
It's a 14 pugged, just avoid invis skips,it's much safer
so much this
1 guy dies
and presses release button
everything isfucked
theyalways press release button
sweet summit
will the Sylvannas trinket Old Warrior Soul be one of the BiS for prot warriors ...
hard to tell, but it looks strong
fresh belfry
i promise
sweet summit
just waiting on sims
sick sentinel
i just feel bad if i can't upgrade the key
fresh belfry
if you cannot time a 14 take a step back and focus on the basics
sick sentinel
that's the problem is when i have to pay attention and do critical thinking
sick sentinel
we didn't wipe, i saw my invis buff go away and i turbo malded out pulled the pat and pack
cuz, i thought we were in the clear for sure
fresh belfry
well
what you do is
you go die by yourself
and ask for a ress
costs you 10 seconds
well considering the +5
sick sentinel
yep, 5 seconds for rez, 5 seconds for loss, potential another 10 for food buff +gcd for shout
sick sentinel
- if you timed wrong and waiting on pat
sick sentinel
when i get to that critical thinking, it all goes to shit
fleet river
Yeah keep it simple as fuck. Especially in pugs consider that every single time you add something more than "run forward, far away from enemies we do not intend to pull" you are introducing opportunities for failure.
Part of being a tank is knowing the limits of the average pug
hollow sun
I was healing PF 15 for the weekly, and here comes this 1800 io monk that demands the invis skip on the mushrooms, paladin passes too close, everyone wipes and the monk leaves the key
fresh belfry
I did a realm first +15 in plaguefall with 200 ilvl and sub optimal classes. we did no fancy skip. run forward kill mob.
misty glacier
h 011111
sick sentinel
could you share MDT of the one you are talking about?
ones i try to run are raiderio site dratnos, always have and that's the addon being added 9.1 into base game :S
fleet river
Take a few minutes in mdt and click the packs you think you should kill until you get pride before a boss
It's a lot easier than you think
fresh belfry
hollow sun
Using MDT will allow you to have a better understanding of the dungeons as a whole
It's definitely worth using without just mindlessly following others routes
fleet river
The only "tricky" things about plaguefall routing below like 19s is making sure you get pride on 3rd boss -ickus doesn't really need pride- and then last boss but there's a lot you can do
sick sentinel
like, besides melee i don't have a clue about those slow skeletons on final boss
fleet river
That's the only thing they do
Apart from being affix triggers, so they'll spawn more volcanic plumes etc
sick sentinel
and nothing else whatsoever, well, dps or healer someone was saying "spam heroic throw on them"
"They melee the dps"
fleet river
I mean, they are mobs that have agro tables so I figured you knew you needed to tank them in one way or another
hollow sun
They just melee the closest target, so everyone needs to be aware. You can taunt then to make them come in your direction but that's it
fleet river
I don't think they melee closest, just agro target
sick sentinel
seems baffling that they add tiny skeletons low hp that move slow as hell and only do a basic attack on final boss.
hollow sun
Mhhhh 100% sure that they melee the closes one
fleet river
They are just a minor added complication for when the actual boss is hiding
fresh belfry
taunt+heroic throw into the taunt should be enough to never lose it
hollow sun
Cause I got killed on my healer a few times, and I often see dps dying cause of melee from them
sick sentinel
usually just throw spam though, because you are trying to get to the avoid spot
fleet river
Mhhhh 100% sure that they melee the closes one
Maybe so, but I've never noticed in while dpsing
hollow sun
If you have cc'd and stuns you don't notice it
sick sentinel
they do have aggro table yeah and they will follow and melee you if you havethreat
its, just, incredibly slow walk speed
fleet river
Yes 1-2 heroic throws should be all you need for most of them. If the dps folks can't work with that it isn't your fault. Exceptions exist obviously, like if someone is caught in a few of them on a tight tentacle slam
hollow sun
Then it's his responsibility to cc it
fleet river
Well, it is someone's responsibility
hollow sun
You can also shockwave them if necessary when they get close
There is a reason for which they walk so slow
fleet river
Tbh if they aren't dying quickly when strad is under the ooze then it isn't your fault at all
During the last phase when you have skellies along with the boss is when you need to start thinking about how to deal with them to keep your group alive long enough to burn the boss
sick sentinel
we had a dh and a dps monk
and i think they were getting in melee range and then instantly get melee back
fleet river
Which is mostly "toss a revenge and tclap, cc when you need to, cycle defensives"
Yeah idk. Y'all seem sure about it but I've done melee dps numerous times and had no problem fighting these guys once a tank had agro on them, regardless of that tanks proximity
hollow sun
Yeah, everyone needs to stay away from them. If you notice before the boss, the 3 skeleton packs
If you try to kite them
And there is a Dps that is in melee
He dies
You can go on and out
fleet river
Maybe my warrior has hidden 100% dodge chance
hollow sun
But if someone just stays there he dies
fleet river
Or maybe they just die quickly in my groups? I don't really pug
hollow sun
Yeah, that might be it
If the tank is in range they melee the tank
If he is not they melee the closest target
I always charge around and hamstring them during the boss, cause I mostly pug
And it helps
fleet river
Well use my experience as a guide. The solution to all these problems are "have dps that aren't braindead"
hollow sun
A man can dream
fleet river
fresh belfry
Well use my experience as a guide. The solution to all these problems are "have ...
and just remember, its always the DPS, never yourself
hollow sun
I heard that dh won't be meta next patch? possible?
fresh belfry
possible but unlikely
hollow sun
Well it's not cause of them being not as good, it's cause of the needs to boomy and fire
I really wanted to learn bdk for next patch but it feels so clunky
fleet river
nothing has changed with tanks so the meta won't change
Tanks aren't the only reason DH are the meta pick. Full caster dps like the +5% damage buff
amber herald
casters are still on top though
fleet river
Fire mage seems fine but moonkin has got a handful of nerfs. Doubt it'll be enough to swing away from meta but them going down means other go incrementally up
amber herald
boomkin got an overall buff it's just different now
fleet river
-30% Starfall uptime is fairly significant
amber herald
and in high keys trees are still bis especially after the cardboard nerf
fleet river
Yeah it's trees that are the big problem for everyone but moonkin
amber herald
the meta isn't changing at all
fleet river
And they went and nerfed the shit out of cardboard so nobody else can even have 1/10th of trees lol
amber herald
it's gonna be walls of DH still, not to mention is how blizzard thinks is they base things on data from the game of how players are playing the game
now that players are invested in DH they won't change that
fleet river
Agreed but nigh-mandatory utility spells on a single spec is a little unbalanced any way you look at it
hollow sun
You say that they won't nerf dh cause a lot of players play it?
fleet river
I think guardian is going to get a lot more representation
amber herald
no they won't
hollow sun
Problem with guardian is that it's boring af
fleet river
Maybe not in top 200 or whatever but in the 18-22 range they are king shit
amber herald
because DH doesn't need nerfing it's not overpowered just powerful
fleet river
Dh is more boring than guardian imo. It's fun to try and work owlvoke into a fight
fleet river
But again, I don't pug and my group has a lot of fun trying to actually kill each other all the time
fleet river
He says in the video tier lists are pure speculation
Quazii is a very realistic non-baity creator
hollow sun
Well yeah, I don't watch tier list videos, I was just curious about DH not being meta
amber herald
quazii makes good videos but he isn't a player who is going to determine the meta
amber herald
DH's going to be meta for all the reasons it's meta now
fleet river
And for those, that list is perfect
amber herald
oh does he? I take that back then I used to watch him a lot but he only did 18s
amber herald
lmao that's rough
fleet river
But right now he seems to be playing and enjoying ff14 a lot so 
hollow sun
Seems like most mythic raiding guilds are only there to get CE and then everyone for himself
fresh belfry
what I'm way more curious about is which soulbinds will be good in 9.1. soulbinds have been unusable for most of raid testing so its really hard to determine :/
fleet river
That's what the difficulty does. Ephemeral groups with no real community ,just "do what it takes to get cheev"
torn gulch
So in the end what are we doing with the wall? are we crafting in on the back because of domination socket on shoulders?
fleet river
Can't think of too many groups of 20 actual friends that want to wipe 300 times on the same boss across 2 months
sweet summit
yes ivan
hollow sun
I have crafted the leaper for when I am not doing dungeons 😂
fleet river
Leaper owns
hollow sun
Bring back wotlk arp prot warrior
torn gulch
arp/block value prot warrior
one shotting people with shield slam
oh how i am gonna enjoy it in wotlk classic when it comes
solemn pasture
Rank 1.5k guilds getting CE are most definitely composed of people who at least enjoy playing together
There's no other reason the better players would stick around otherwise
vale tulip
for a first legendary should i be waiting for reprisal
sweet summit
you dont have to wait, you could go twisting corridors layer 3 and keep resetting til you get upper reaches
sweet summit
legs yeah
buoyant heath
Is Thunderlord still worth using? I just came back to retail and that’s the one I was using when I quit
hollow sun
there is a specific reason for which people fake dc? is it to not show not completed runs?
sweet summit
they are cringe
strong forum
They fake dcs because they don't have the balls to deal with the people they're abandoning
It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable
muted arch
fae is fine for early prog and m+ ya?
sweet summit
nf or kyrian yeah
if you already have a kyrian in your group nf is yuge
muted arch
i just like night fae better
swapping from DH and spear just feels like a fucking sigil LOL
sweet summit
sure
muted arch
and i like the mobility with soulshape
just wanna make sure it wont hinder my pro
prog
sweet summit
nah it wont
distant crystal
the only hindrance NF has is when you're doing spires or Necrotic Wake
and there's not a kyrian
or i guess necrotic week if you're not the master race
vale tulip
master race?
distant crystal
strange lintel
characters face says it all
distant crystal
she's feelin herself
jagged pier
if u arent dwarf your inting
distant crystal
^^^
plush tendon
thats a hot take that I will contest until Im rotting corpse 6 feet under
plush tendon
that will be sooner than later since you're not a dwarf this week
Ha! jokes on you, I dont return to retail till the 28th
distant crystal
coward!
sick sentinel
how do you guys do that do critical thinking when something goes to shit in a key
and it doesn't just crumble under stress, something like that
patent salmon
just get gud
sick sentinel
you said to make your own MDT, so i'll do that
patent salmon
sick sentinel
or well, close as i can
patent salmon
no, whoever said that must be trolling
i'd suggest you look up mdt and follow them
sick sentinel
see okay,
plush tendon
how do you guys do that do critical thinking when something goes to shit in a ke...
MDT is a really helpful tool, however shit does go wrong sometimes (especially pugs) after doing the dungeons enough, I have a pretty good idea where I can get %, how much % I need at certain points and I sort of just freeball when need be
Also, complicated routes or pulls=bad. Simple, straightfoward routes are always best
distant crystal
one thing that's pretty useful for at least 1 more week
is the weakaura that shows what your percent will be when you kill the current pack
distant crystal
and it highlights when it's pride proc
plush tendon
The % will be useful going into next tier
The pride one youll have for 8 more days XD
sick sentinel
i don't know how else to describe it, but i have a clear idea of how we should fight the trash and should it take a long time to clear or no, or should the boss have done 4 spears? probably not, wanted only 2 cycle route/dsp
and then so, when i go and it doesn't work out, i get confused. mald
triggers the shit out of me that we didn't get the interupt on spiders for adds so that some guy doesn't get 1 shot
distant crystal
one thing that can help with that is a cd tracker
if you know what dps cds your group has available
it can inform your pull decisions
i think omnicd is the most common now but there's a set of WAs for it too
sick sentinel
i don't find interupting casts hard, but my groups always have trouble with overlapping interupts
or when there is too many mobs
distant crystal
if you're not assigning/calling kicks that's always gonna happen
copper lion
yes
plush tendon
plan CDs
last stand, Shield Wall, Ignore pain, and externals
Dont rush through Millhouse; the stun is super useful
distant crystal
yeah you want some dps cds for 2nd boss
if everyone blasts on pull it can make the fight way harder
pallid rivet
What cov should I go if I'm planning on making a prot warrior alt for my mythic group? Plan on pushing mythic plus and using it on farm/prog if my main gets fucked.
plush tendon
in a normal 15, its not too bad and its hard to convince pugs not to blow their load immediately; in organized play, its much easier to accomplish this
distant crystal
@pallid rivet kyrian if group needs it or nf
or necro if the group needs it and you wanna be a big simp
plush tendon
What cov should I go if I'm planning on making a prot warrior alt for my mythic ...
any work; you can fill what the group needs
in a vacuum, not taking account dungeon buffs, NF is legit
but Kyrian is a very strong alternative and provides dungeon buffs that DPS and heals might not supply
pallid rivet
Oh baby, would necro be raid simping? Heroic leap to my big pumpers and charge back in
plush tendon
Oh baby, would necro be raid simping? Heroic leap to my big pumpers and charge b...
Technically yes, but its not as great as it sounds
Necro is my favorite Cov aesthetically, but the banner is clunky and awkward to use and requires you to be planning usage around your DPS which is tedious gameplay
and trust me, I tried to convince myself it was awesome... it just isnt 😦
plush tendon
but if you like it, you like it
and no reason not to try all of em
I have Kyrian, NF and Necro at 40; gotta give em all a fair shake
blazing condor
Dumb question but ive never changed covs. If i ”switch back” to my original covenant do i still gotta farm the renown again?
distant crystal
no
you lose your anima but i think you can do vendor trick to keep it
you'll keep your old followers too
copper lion
if im not 40 by 9.1 will that hurt me?
plush tendon
Dumb question but ive never changed covs. If i ”switch back” to my original cove...
you dont lose renown
any anima you have stored in the Cov hall is also saved, but you can game the system by buying a bunch of things from the Cov Vender, then reselling them back after you make the switch if you dont want like 10k anima stored in a Cov you are switching from
also, Cov upgrades are saved as well
plush tendon
if im not 40 by 9.1 will that hurt me?
no
the catch up for renown is very good, and Blizz will be wanting players to be caught up to 40 asap entering the new patch
hasty fjord
if im not 40 by 9.1 will that hurt me?
Wont hurt you, just will take you a little longer to hit 44 to unlock flying is all.
plush tendon
not even though
you might not get it from Cov quests alone, but youll get catch up renown by doing content
Although the Cov system leaves a lot to be desired, they did a good job in catch up mechs and not brutalizing you for switching back and forth a lot (except for wait time)
copper lion
why cant all 8 torghast level be unlocked on every toon already
wispy tapir
are we going to have to recraft the wall if it's on shoulders?
distant crystal
prob gonna be the play
fossil summit
You guys just... Ever start a M+8 Necrotic Wake to then realize none of your 3 DPSes or healer have any intention to interrupt Drain Fluids? And even after telling them to do it they wont?
What should I do then is it just fucked?
copper lion
lol
edgy belfry
dont fake it, just leave the group...so what
fossil summit
I feel like thats the ONE mechanic people should all do in NW, just interrupt Drain Fluids and its easy peasy
But like people.dont do it, and then the healer gets fucking clapped
Im gonna need to learn to say "interrupt drain fluids" in a multitude of languages, that could actually help
tardy osprey
the number of people who go through an entire dungeon run with out ever using a kick or stun is absurd
pallid rivet
I've had people tell me that the gcd from an int is a dps loss. I'm sure it was a troll but those people are out there, and they're dumb af
plush tendon
Im pretty sure Interrupts are off the GCD right?
It only really slightly hampers casters
But to not interrupt is troll, and they should feel bad
fossil summit
my main issue is, if it was a normal or heroic, okay sure, and even then I could easily tank anyways,
But it's an M+8 NW,
I'm kind of a dictator when I tank M+s, if you cant follow up with the group, we're starting boss without you, if you pull dumb shit, your problem, because it's a M+, you're supposed to know what the fuck you're doing, and there's nothing worse than me, the tank, having to run around to try and interrupt everything and stun ennemies all by myself it's so annoying
fathom stag
I'm considering switching to nf prot warrior so I can handle 70% of interrupts like I did in BFA
dense gate
If you wait until it starts channeling you can shockwave/fear it and it wont recast
fathom stag
I think Drain fluids doesn't recast if stopped before channel
fossil summit
It just cant get through my skull the idea that there are ilvl 230 mythic raid geared DPS players that just dont know the concept of interrupts
amber herald
raiders can be some of the dumbest m+ers I have found
plush tendon
Its different skills
dense gate
Idk doesnt bother me much in low keys bc i already have low expectations and I'm already playing tank to have the most carry potential
Rather do all interrupts alone as a tank than play dps and have the same idiots who cant interrupt deciding what pulls to do
fossil summit
yeah in low keys its not a problem, I'm a prot warrior and I'm usually top DPS in low keys, but in high keys it can get awful
but being a LF Draenei Kyrian does help alot
with DPS
that orbital strike hits like a fucking truck
wicked acorn
hi 🙂 was thinking of making a warrior and wanted to ask if LF drenai would be a nice option since they provide some extra dps or if i should just go with dwarf for stoneform?
amber herald
stoneforms really good but it isn't mandatory
simple yarrow
dwarf for sure, but I'd go for what looks best to u
fleet river
Dwarf and vulpera are the best defensive picks
wicked acorn
is by any chance one of you lf drenai and could tell me how much dps it makes over the course of a dungeon % whise?
jagged pier
if u arent dwarf and want to push key lvl your inting big time
wicked acorn
hmm i see thanks 😄
jagged pier
dwarf also lets u go NF easier as u have the cleanse the pot gives u
so u can pump with AA
cyan grail
which legy to craft on which slot for next patch (cause of new sockets!)?
fleet river
Jake is just part of Big Fae. Not everyone can be fae Jake!!!!
jagged pier
im kyrian
jagged pier
which legy to craft on which slot for next patch (cause of new sockets!)?
still keep repirsal on legs
fleet river
Yeah that's exactly what Fae CEO would tell you
cyan grail
so no new better item or sockets on legs..? mh k thats nice
cyan grail
🙂
jagged pier
so if u want to use the wall move it to back
simple yarrow
annoying question but is there already an estimate on which covenant will be best for mythic plus next patch?
amber herald
nightfae personal power kyrian group comp
simple yarrow
yea I figured, thanks a lot though ❤️
wraith surge
still keep repirsal on legs
is it bad if i have reprisal on my feet?
hollow sun
I think it's quite a huge minmax. I have it il 210 on my feet and it works just fine
wicked acorn
dwarf also lets u go NF easier as u have the cleanse the pot gives u
i saw all higher prot war tanks are kyrian. if i have the dwarf option should i go nf than?
jagged pier
is it bad if i have reprisal on my feet?
no but if u raid slyvannas drops boosts next tier
jagged pier
i saw all higher prot war tanks are kyrian. if i have the dwarf option should i ...
not really they are all kyrian as their groups need the kyrian buff and the pot on higher levels does come in handy
fleet river
And cuz they're all horde lol
distant crystal
and nobody was ever mad about having two buttons to remove necrotic
jagged pier
yer and going dwarf and kyrian u omega laugh at anything basically
wicked acorn
i see thank you
jagged pier
honestly we say your inting if your not dwarf but honestly race really doesnt matter
fickle ether
Does phial remove carnage stacks still? Or did they change same as SLG stacks?
fickle ether
Ah ok ok ty
sick sentinel
ran 15 HOA, but, rookie mistakes, i won't bore you
you've seen my videos some of you
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> probably won't be able to hop on today
fair enough
depends when your plans are though we are pulling right now so i can pop on a stream
chilly brook
depends when your plans are though we are pulling right now so i can pop on a st...
I won't be home for another 3-4 hours
jagged pier
F
patent osprey
jagged pier
sweet summit
blazing condor
proven breach
fleet river
sick sentinel
dwarf also lets u go NF easier as u have the cleanse the pot gives u
why not 2 bleed removers on seperate cd's tho
yeah, if i ever go back alliance i'm making one of 2 dwarve races
jagged pier
because damage 📈
keen cradle
For someone getting back in and wanting to tank in 9.1. How is warrior looking vs pally for tanking? Not finding much updated info online.
crystal nexus
i have a ilvl 219 pally and a ilvl 225 warrior. Pally is fun and deals extreme damage BUT he has trouble with burst dmg, Things that take 1/4 of HP away on my warrior can actually bring my pally down to 1/3 of his total hitpoints.
it is not that extreme but it feels somewhat like it^^
chilly brook
i have a ilvl 219 pally and a ilvl 225 warrior. Pally is fun and deals extreme d...
I'm not sure if you're trying to ask for something
snow tusk
switching to warrior for sire, should i go bolster? also: i have a 235 reprisal and only a 210 wall: is reprisal fine or would a 210 wall serve me better?
chilly brook
switching to warrior for sire, should i go bolster? also: i have a 235 reprisal ...
Why not just play what you were playing
snow tusk
because i am "new" to tanking and lack the cinfidence to keep tanking it with my dk
chilly brook
To answer your question though, bolster will be the more defensive option. Either wall or reprisal are good, it depends on you and your situation.
I personally wouldn't say that prot warrior is going to make your life a ton easier.
If you're new to tanking imo you'd be best served by sticking to one class before swapping based on boss
fleet river
Bolster is the more straightforward defensive option. AM gives you almost twice as many shield walls in addition to more avatars
rapid bramble
what is the best covenant for raiding? im still going kyr/NF?
sweet summit
ya
rapid bramble
okay ty
fleet river
Can we just rename the channel "#protection-go-nf-for-damage-kyrian-otherwise"
plush tendon
no cause all covs are viable 😛
fleet river
How many "which covenant should I be" ago was the last time you heard someone asking about bonerlords
mellow bridge
About two or three
fleet river
And were they recommended?
fleet river
How to make functional things less functional?
median tulip
Gods, I went to clear out my bank in prep for 9.1 and I have some awful shit in here I clearly just threw in the bank with a "maybe I'll valor upgrade that later"
Bladedancer's Armor Kit. Two Slimy consumptive organs.
Like 5 rings, all of which I have 220+ versions of
fallow beacon
anyone know if domination gear pieces are able to have a normal socket as well?
sick sentinel
i want you guys to know i'm not doing this on purpose lol
it keeps giving me this key
snow tusk
makes sense though, to call it that 🙂 other name would be "bullshit gear that forced me to recraft my legendary which no one wants in the first place" but that's to long
fluid stirrup
Apologies if I could have found this in a guide, but a cursory inspection didn't show me anything beyond a single reference in icyveins. Since whirlwind is a 30-rage 5-target cap aoe that does poor damage and revenge is a 20-rage 5-target aoe soft cap that does mediocre damage, there's literally no usage for whirlwind ever, right? Any time I would want to use a whirlwind I could just use revenge and be better off?
fleet river
The only niche use for whirlwind I've been able to come up with is unstealthing things like plaguefall 3rd boss adds, but even then revenge is just as good in 90% of cases
sick sentinel
You don't ever hit ww as pw
frank hemlock
is the necrolord legendary still unchanged since it got implemented on ptr?
fleet river
I put ww on a castsequence macro that comes after ravager until ravagers cooldown runs, in case I want to get real fancy with it
You might actually have a reason to press ww once a season, but I can definitely say I've had one moment where I'm glad I pressed ww instead of revenge
Unstealthing the cattes after 1st boss on spires is another possibility
distant crystal
what if you're just chillin with your mates before a raid pull
and you wanna do a lil twirl
snow tusk
spec fury/arms and do BS
distant crystal
gotta have that bind ya know
sturdy sable
Or your in torghast and you rolled a bunch of ww modifiers
fading dirge
Assuming the wall goes on shoulders for stats?
fading dirge
yeah finally found some content in the search function
sturdy sable
Better to make reprisal
fading dirge
saying go back because of the shoulders in Dom
sturdy sable
First off
fading dirge
I have reprisal pants
sick sentinel
I don't like how there is so much visual over lap on final tentacles pf
sick sentinel
I hate that place
sturdy sable
I have reprisal pants
So my answer would be to just wait to craft the wall until you need it. Reprisal is considered a better leggo in most situations
I for one will not take reprisal off unless the fight absolutely requires me to stay still and even then bosses stand still for alot of stuff and charges can be weaved pretty often
fading dirge
So reprisal is the go to for Mythic+ and Raiding? Ive been using it for mythic+ and its a fun concept, would have to get my ducks in a row for raid bosses
sturdy sable
Also the convenience of it being on legs and not clashing with a domination socket (pending blizzard obvious) makes it a no brainer
Ive used it on all bosses in mythic with 0 problems
fading dirge
well guess I wlll just use the soul dust to upgrade my reprisal. appreciate it
sturdy sable
No problem
Its definitely the more useful leggo between the two
But i really wouldnt bother with crafting one till 9.1 and even then you could get away with not having it lol
fading dirge
Switching off disc priest for prot warrior so getting all my stuff figured out. Havent touched this guy since I tanked in wrath lol
sturdy sable
Well considering you play disc your mitigation is similar you set up for big bursts you dont react to them after they happened
Similar to how youd heal as disc*
You gotta know whats coming ahead of time and know how you can counter it ect
versed wasp
alot of my guilds players have been turned off mythic raiding so ive been asked to play prot
if im playing a mix of prot and fury what would my best covenant be?
NF?
im assuming that would be the best from the image in pins
sturdy sable
Your right
Its NF
I could give you reasons why others are better for niche situations if you want
But on the whole NF is what id pick in your situation
Niya for ST koyrian (the dude with first strike) for aoe/pad
versed wasp
thanks for mentioning that
Reprisal seems to be the best craft as well if im not mistaken
going legs seems to be the best bet?
south nexus
What would the rank for Mythics be 1)kyrian 2)NF?
versed wasp
the image that is in pinned has Kyrian and NF as =
versed wasp
no worries
sturdy sable
Yeah your safe with any of the covenants really warrior is spoiled for choice
south nexus
trying to figure out what a good M+ and pvp cov would be
sturdy sable
Kyrian and NF being the safest picks that require the least amount of "work" to utilize
Kyrian being more useful if you value covenant diversity amongst your 5 man groups
sturdy sable
trying to figure out what a good M+ and pvp cov would be
Arms?
Are you going to pvp as arms fury or prot*
south nexus
prot for M, arms for pvp probably
sturdy sable
Go kyrian imo
south nexus
❤️
limpid pawn
