Or at least I didnt change anything on korayn and just ran the NF conduit and was still doing over 7k in dungeons
#protection
chilly brook
strong forum
Unless you're venthyr
pearl jetty
Yea I was looking at endurance now. I picked the two that would seem best
sweet summit
🤏
chilly brook
Right after I swapped this last week back to Venthyr from NF
sweet summit
🏃
strong forum
fights you
chilly brook
I lose and go cry in a corner
potent anvil
Could be 10k as kyrian too. 
chilly brook
Could be 10k as kyrian too. <:Spear:742631092711981106> <:deswind:53307396409694...
Maybe if I didnt have to hold off on my burst so I dont get clapped
potent anvil
Just let your cheeks be clapped and ask for GS from the priest 🙏
chilly brook
vagrant zinc
Yea, they are melee attacks, but as a bear you just incarn them and facetank it with the thrash shield.
chilly brook
Yea, they are melee attacks, but as a bear you just incarn them and facetank it ...
They're not actually melees though
The only one who does physical damage is the big berserker guy
distant crystal
keep up some form of magic mitigation 
let me just go to the magic mitigation tree and pick some magic mitigation fruits from it
sick sentinel
absorbs, reflect, IP
vagrant zinc
I mean who doesnt blow SW on those pulls
modern brook
whos Bones Oldier?
carmine prawn
Is the phial a key factor to pick kyrian over NF as prot warrior?
rancid ember
No but it's a good bonus to it.
The main factor is most classes don't play Kyrian, so if you want a Kyrian in your M+ Group it has to be you most likely
NF & Kyrian both strong, NF has better damage, Kyrian is comparable but you also get Potion
If you're not playing for M+ being NF is totally fine. It won't hold you back
The only DPS that plays Kyrian I think is Monk dps
sturdy sable
If you're not playing for M+ being NF is totally fine. It won't hold you back
being nf is totally fine and wont hold you back
rancid ember
did u just grammar me
carmine prawn
Thanks. I would prefer to stay as NF than switch to kyrian, as i was watching kyrian dk being able to hold general kaal throughout the fight without swapping seems pretty cool
inland raft
I played consistently with a kyrian ww last season so i played nf, but ill prob swap kyrian this season because irl has him away and in the end its about diversity
balmy coral
How is prot looking in 9.1? I felt super strong, retired my pally early in 9.0 because she felt so weak.
balmy coral
So will prot still outshine prot paladin?
I am debating spliting out to 4 toons from 2, 1 for each role
elfin nova
prot paladin is great
if you're 1. alive and 2. don't have to move very far very often
balmy coral
I find Prot warrior damage rivals prot pally, and I still have yet to be outdpsed my pallies, I am curious of scaling will bring pallies up to warrior level in mitigation.
strong forum
in m+, maybe, but in raid, a good prot pally will absolutely destroy every tank in dps
balmy coral
Nope, never seen one get close, maybe because I was top 3% in prot warrior dps in the world before i quit 9.0. I was doing nearly 5k dps on Huntsman heroic for example
I also only pugged so I didn't even get stacked groups
balmy coral
see one*
balmy coral
They are all in stacked/coordinated groups getting PI when you look at top 5%
balmy coral
They are for stacking logs lol
strong forum
5 are without PI
bold plume
is m+ meta any different at all? Still going to be veng, boom, fire and rogue?
balmy coral
Yea, looking at the top 1% of prot pallies are ahead of my warrior but that's it.
sweet summit
bear
strong forum
is m+ meta any different at all? Still going to be veng, boom, fire and rogue?
will have to see
strong forum
Yea, looking at the top 1% of prot pallies are ahead of my warrior but that's it...
top 100 tanks
not a single
warrior
oh nvm
1
there is 1 warrior
strong forum
lmao
balmy coral
Of course a 227 prot pally will outdps a 218 prot warrior
strong forum
a 218 pally would also outdps a 218 warrior
a 210 pally would out dps a 218 warrior
balmy coral
My bad, before I quit, I wasa 394th tank in the world at ilevel 218-220
violet bolt
maybe a warrior but not snaebs warrior (before he retired)
balmy coral
I quit before Mythic CN could be pugged, I dropped to 714
strong forum
okay
pine stump
Anyone who tested on 9.1, knows if its better to go Kyrian for the new Raid. Or stick to Night Fae?
strong forum
general consensus is Kyrian>=NF
pine stump
Is that based on the new raid or because of the utility due to Phial and Spear?
Coz for M+ you lose a lot of damage and group silence
strong forum
and you lose a kyrian for m+
its based on the versatility of kyrian
NF is more dmg
but Kyrian in practice is more defensive and versatile cuz of phial and 3% less magic dmg taken
pine stump
hmm. So better to take Kyrian for progression and then switch to NF once u have all the gear and comfort
strong forum
it doesnt make a big difference
pine stump
I havent looked at Kyrian Conduits and Soulbinds
strong forum
some people were NF for prog on CN
cov is like 1% of your class as a tank
99% comes from you doing your thing
pine stump
Well atleast for Fury it was way more than 1%
strong forum
pine stump
for tank yea. The damage different is a lot though. Looking at the logs
strong forum
your job is staying alive and not being a nuisance for your healers, a covenant wont change that part of being a tank
hence why its not overly important which one you are
NF is slightly more dmg
Kyrian is more popular and still good dmg
i cant give you a definite "this is better"
oblique garnet
NF utility is better for m+ but because dungeon designs are what they are if you seriously are about pushing you want different covenants to get the benefit from each one
stark sage
and in general kyrians are under represented, and NF is very over represented
so having a member of your m+ team that can pick Kyr without losing much is nice
late rampart
I'm very thankful my core group has a kyrian in it. Because NF is so fun and slaps 🙂
south yarrow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2418&class=Tanks
tfw first dk is 346th
chilly brook
They are for stacking logs lol
I've had a few top 10, none with PI
tender glen
prot paladin abusing ashen hallow
eager tulip
i just looked at the Cheatsheet in the pins, necrolord is "buffboy" is that better or worse that "best generic option"?
sudden lion
any reason all the top guilds have their prot warriors going necro?
jagged pier
banner
because suvivability isnt an issue for them so they can run the new leggo and as they are the top guilds they can get the perfect scenario everytime
blazing condor
Banner-play is luckily just a top-level concern
Us mortals can stay zoomin on intervene and be of more use
sudden lion
pog NF time
autumn pendant
You all are awesome
jagged pier
blazing condor
autumn pendant
Yes big brains at it
mellow bridge
really confusing m+ changes
some good stuff and some that just doesnt make any sense
onyx ledge
whats the prot cov for 9.1?
amber herald
yes
strange lintel
i tank as nf. the extra damage/knockdown helps alot of trash pack burst
strange lintel
Blizz really just said fuck it and buffed HoA caster-trash
wait what
why would they buff the casters on hoa
was getting chunked for 1/4 of my hp everytime a cast didnt get inted in 5 mob packs not enough
amber herald
topaz dragon
Mistakes were made, I made the boots for rep, but now I need to make the pants instead? Since Sylv has sexy shoes?
distant crystal
what i don't get is
the baseline spell, i guess in normal dungeons, was 11 and now it's 14? what kinda wild ass scaling
the arcane bolt on dealer was like 1900 and nerfed to 1600
or maybe that's a mythic only mechanic on dealer so we're seeing lvl 60 mythic vs lvl 50 normal there
balmy fractal
Should I make The Wall legendary on a piece other than shoulders because of the upcoming domination gear?
proper dock
I think they are adding a third item for each legendary
And yes, shoulders have a socket
balmy fractal
Legendaries in domination slots will have sockets for shards automatically? I hadn’t heard that.
storm temple
What will be interesting is since set/shard bonus requires 3 items but there are 5 available slots that drop, then also adding 3rd slot option for many/all legos. At this point I'm just saving the soul ash for options
balmy fractal
Yeah from what I understand, plate domination slots will be head/shoulders/chest/wrists/hands. I’d assume you would want all these pieces and put the leggo slot elsewhere. Now if leggos have a slot for shard sockets that would be a nice quality of life, but I haven’t heard if that’s the case. Like you I’m holding out, but I like to plan.
I’d just like to avoid the giant price inflation week 1 if recrafting becomes a thing.
sturdy sable
Mistakes were made, I made the boots for rep, but now I need to make the pants i...
What are the odds you kill mythic sylv?
topaz dragon
Pretty high >.>
Might take a while but we get it :) Unless we have an exodus.
Thinking about getting engineering for QoL, is something like the Damage Retaliator worth?
sturdy sable
And the knock back enchant from bfa i believe that still works
quiet crane
Is there a link to the pre determined socketed items in sanctum?
So I know if I need to research legendary slots to accomodate the sockets
I couldn’t find it ;/
Recraft
balmy fractal
@quiet crane this might help https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/nfvpm3/91_shards_of_domination_overview_and_set_bonuses/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
cinder nova
Any good places to get M+ groups going?
fresh ruin
question, with reprisal lego, if you intervine then charge right after, do the shield block durations stack?
late rampart
Yes. I believe total duration caps at 3 full shield blocks, so 18 seconds.
fresh ruin
ok, ty
pine stump
Can someone link the theory behind Top Guild tanks going Necro?
sturdy sable
Wait is there some link explaining why high end players are using necro? Or am i inferring wrong?
Or even if they are
I thought the census for necro was too much work for a small gain
chilly brook
Tldr afaik for world first super top end guilds they're probably considering running it for the benefit of the raid
With the lego
Nothing has really changed
It's still not recommended for 99.9999% of people
jagged pier
I thought the census for necro was too much work for a small gain
it is but the top guilds can pull that perfect scenario out every time and also dont forget they do this content with less gear than pretty much anyone else so they are usually undergeared so that extra 500-600 dps really helps
carmine prawn
wanna ask if i am changing covenant, have 20k anima reservoir, will i lost all that when i change?
carmine prawn
thank you
sweet summit
Its still there at the old covenant
carmine prawn
just not transferred over?
sweet summit
Ye
carmine prawn
i read up on the buy stuff on current covenant npc and sell at the new one, just wondering is 2 hours sufficient to pull off a stunt like that
sweet summit
2 hours to swap?
carmine prawn
item has 2 hours timer for refund
mass purchase items with anima and resell at new covenant
edgy belfry
no worries, it is more than enough
sweet summit
You clear bags
Buy as much as you can
Swap to covenant/turn in last i wanna go back quest
Vendor in new home
Thats like ~5 minutes
carmine prawn
so when i take up the 'Prove your worth' first quest, i am still in my current covenant?
carmine prawn
so i can even pick up the first quest today and start to do it? as long as i turn it in before weekly reset and get the 2nd quest
buy all the stuff i need to resell and turn in quest, then i am out of previous covenant and into new covenant
sweet summit
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
carmine prawn
thank you
strong forum
Erga seems enthusiastic
carmine prawn
hmmm... for some reason, there is no 'Prove your worth' quest, i just got swapped
strong forum
If you swap for the first time, there is only 1 quest step needed
Only swapping back to a covenant you've already been in, requires the 2nd quest
urban portal
and might as well start the swap back right now
solar crown
Hows the new raid? Is it fun for prot
carmine prawn
well, at least i know 26k anima will be there when i head back to NF
strong forum
Hows the new raid? Is it fun for prot
Raid isn't out for another 4 weeks 🤷♂️
topaz dragon
SIgh, and why am I not looking forward to the half baked potato of a patch that we will get?
sweet summit
jagged pier
vagrant sable
Morning, sorry if this has been asked before! How's the covs looking for 9.1? At a quick glance Fae looks pretty good for the knockdown.
sweet summit
same as now
vagrant sable
I'm not sure what's currently the best. Is that on the wowhead guide?
jagged pier
its in the pins
vagrant sable
Thanks
wet compass
wait if the venth leggo now works with RA does it work with bolster now?
jagged pier
sweet summit
it does not
jagged pier
jagged pier
if power wasnt connected to cov i would be venthyr
wet compass
If power wasn't connected to cov I would be kyrian isntead I'm not going vampy boys once patch drops 😦
sweet summit
mood
solar crown
Raid isn't out for another 4 weeks 🤷♂️
well, yes, but people have been testing it in ptr(?)
sweet summit
tbf i love venthyr anyway so i dont mind
jagged pier
well, yes, but people have been testing it in ptr(?)
raid testing was a long time ago
a lot has probably changed
jagged pier
wet compass
I'm kind of tempted to make a post asking about the inconsistency but worried it might get RA removed and that seems fun to play around with
solar crown
a lot has probably changed
Thats why i asked if its fun. I know fun is subjective but movement-heavy fights are more fun as prot then lets say a DK
wet compass
prot and blood dk are the fun tanks to play imo then pally then monk/dh damage build then guardian/dh prog build
wet compass
Super happy that I'll be dps and not able to do anything with that until prog is done 😦
misty timber
Looking at milk now. Any good places in dungeons to game the fall damage thing the applied a 20% dr? Doesn’t even say it has a cd….
blazing condor
I hope we dont have to play around that lmao
How does it work. If we take fall damage we ger dmr?
blazing condor
Does storming give fall damage?
dark plover
What will be the best cov and lego for raids in 9.1?
jagged pier
misty timber
no its nothing to do with bron or that
Yeah spear thing looks great. Was just checking out rest of his tree because I’ve never even looked at it haha
hollow sun
i write stuff here very occasionally and yet all the same covenants questions makes me go 
warm pelican
Am i crutching myself by going venthyr prot? i plan on doing pvp as arms but i enjoy m+ and said to my friends i would tank, we are wanting to aim for all dungeons on +18 in s2 onwards
hollow sun
from what i understand, covenants truly matter above like 20s. Pika was timing 22s as venthyr
warm pelican
thats good to hear 😄 im new to prot warr so i have little clue about the spec atm gonna dive in to the guides etc
hollow sun
Timing 18s if you play correctly shouldn't be that big of an issue if your group is on point. Have fun as venthyr
warm pelican
just gonna change all the icons of my abilities to condemn for the ultimate RP
stray glen
strong forum
No
None of the tanks get any changes
9.1 is just a new raid
That's it
I guess?
Well m+ is gonna be quite different alone through not having to play around the stupid 20% threshold
novel sentinel
Anyone know roughly how long the necro banner can be extended with the covenant legendary in 9.1?
sweet summit
~ 40-70 on yourself
novel sentinel
Is that total duration? I roughly worked out how much rage I spent and that seems close to what I expect
sweet summit
Yes
novel sentinel
Does it also extend the buff on others? Or just personal
jagged pier
just personal
novel sentinel
Is that even still good? I'd heard rumour that some top guilds are swapping and was wondering if the extension was why
jagged pier
for the average guild its not worth it
your not going to get the perfect scenario everytime
top guilds can and will
and even tho the buff doesnt extend its still a dps increase for the raid
which they will need
as they do it undergeared to literally everyone else
novel sentinel
Yeah ofc it's all about the perfect setup, I'm just doing a little digging to match
Thanks for answering, I'll probably do a little ptr testing later
sick sentinel
does anyone have an idea about how impactful raid gear will be this M+ season?
like will a +21 straight up decline you if you don't have it
sweet summit
Doubt it
Have you gotten kicked for not having full sockets this season
Or last season of BFA if you played that
sick sentinel
so the power boost is ~ sockets
sweet summit
Domination gems are bigger than regular gems, but the set bonus isnt active outside of the maw
opaque quest
Is quantum device a yes or a no?
hollow sun
Have you gotten kicked for not having full sockets this season
i got shamed for it but never kicked
sick sentinel
alright thanks
sweet summit
But there are lots of better trinkets
sick sentinel
fine with raid gear being an edge but it's no fun if the gap is enormous
opaque quest
Yeah well. 18 DOS runs later and i still dont have the scale
sick sentinel
then I rather pvp
viral flume
Hey guys since I'm not mythic raiding this season I've chosen m+ over pvp and want to push keys between 20-22 as prot warr this season. Will be swapping warr to kyrian this week from nf. I noticed in the pins there are conduit suggestions for if you aren't running reprisal, but what do we use if we are running it 🤔
tame jasper
PF19 done - so now everything on 18+ 🥳 Season 2 can come 🙂
viral flume
Sounds good, I know mikanikos is the play in 9.1 but to practice before it drops do we run kleia or pelagos?
opaque quest
Pelagos
tame jasper
For me coming back to WoW after about 8 years in January and realising that there are almost no guild grps for keys higher than 12 I'm happy with that result, doing almost only pugs
opaque quest
I did all my 17s, cant be arsed higher. Pugged everything too. Went actualy good
viral flume
I pugged 16s and 17s this season as fury couldn't go higher because I had to focus my hpal for raid :(
viral flume
I want Dat pink score next season
viral flume
Thats fair, I chose to stay subbed cuz if I don't play wow I play smite. That community makes the wow community feel like heaven
opaque quest
oh boi
WoW seems like a good option then
I usualy swap over to destiny for new seasons
viral flume
I'm also slightly addicted to farming mission tables on all my alts. I basically supply my guilds mythic raid team with their augment runes
opaque quest
My roommate is doing the exact same. His highest ilvl is like 205
But he has 5 mil gold in the bank lmao
elfin nova
@viral flume i think you missundstood the pinned sheet, it is for reprisal. the only thing that changes is "without reprisal run booming voice".
remote yarrow
Anyone know what spear CD is with new Mikanikos trait?
strong forum
40 if you hit 4+ targets
sick sentinel
again, i think taht will be the same shit as the shockwave talent
if you just straight up miss it will be feelsbads
remote yarrow
That's awesome ty
sick sentinel
not that it would be bad, just, if you aren't getting the full value each time by not hitting 5 targets.... whats the point?? like some boss with no adds
sick sentinel
i think it might be super powerful in mob CC fort weeks like bolster some shit
when u need to kite and whatever bad
blazing condor
There’s no real downside
remote yarrow
If you are getting the full value would help it line up with demo for booming voice, which could be good for pumping
sick sentinel
well, pepe-galos has always been my go to, i think the face the thing to get more HP and stats sounds good as well
viral flume
<@524090750775066624> i think you missundstood the pinned sheet, it is for repri...
I must have, appreciate you clearing that up!
sick sentinel
except for this week and last when im forced to go kleia more or less
what i'm trying to say is, i've always used that soulbinds, so unless its major change, i'm uncertain bron is better or worse
i didn't even do crap this week, i tried like, 4 dungeons and each time the key went to shit, so i said screw it, i'm not doing this
opaque quest
Are you choosing kleia for ascendant phial?
carmine prawn
Anyone knows if Tazavesh will come with 9.1 on 29th June, or a later date?
weary tide
From the official announcement:
carmine prawn
Season 2 opens on 6 july?
weary tide
yup second week
mellow bridge
Do we go triple endurance with kleia in necrotic weeks
or take the shitty potency one at the bottom?
jagged pier
shitty? PV is our best consuit
dark tree
Hello guys
main wasp
if I don't do PVP in 9.1, would the Reprisal lego be better suited then for the feet slot, since you can get haste/vers legs from M+, but there aren't any haste/vers pieces for feet?
dark tree
is there a macro to make Heroic leap instant, i know about the cursor one but i dont want to spend time to click again when i aim
jagged pier
if I don't do PVP in 9.1, would the Reprisal lego be better suited then for the ...
if your planning to raid at all it should be legs
jagged pier
is there a macro to make Heroic leap instant, i know about the cursor one but i ...
if its macro'd to at cursor it will just jump where ever your cursor is
no clickign again
main wasp
if your planning to raid at all it should be legs
just because of the stat gain?
jagged pier
just because of the stat gain?
slyvannas drops boots
dark tree
if its macro'd to at cursor it will just jump where ever your cursor is
i got the one from wowhead, and other sources they all dont work and it does not cast it, it needs me to click again when i cast the macro
jagged pier
main wasp
slyvannas drops boots
well, let's assume i won't get CE, would legs still be the better slot?
muted arch
does the damage done by execute increase linearly with rage?
lofty helm
lunar plover
With domination sockets in 9.1 where are we crafting The Wall now?
muted arch
no
whatd u mean its the same
it costs 20-40 rage
im wondering if a 40 rage execute does exactly double a 20 rage execute, or if it increases by a non linear value
wet compass
With domination sockets in 9.1 where are we crafting The Wall now?
cloak I would assume since shoulders is a socket piece
the new venth leggo will be neck cause it's on two socket pieces otherwise lol
inland silo
im wondering if a 40 rage execute does exactly double a 20 rage execute, or if i...
Yes it’s linear
muted arch
ty
mellow bridge
shitty? PV is our best consuit
I mean shitty because the trait after the potency is pretty useless
lunar plover
cloak I would assume since shoulders is a socket piece
I thought I remembered reading a patch note where they added slots for some leggos
main wasp
has there been testing to see at least, at the moment with current numbers, if the unholy set or the blood set will be better for prot tanking?
jagged pier
I mean shitty because the trait after the potency is pretty useless
ah is it i havent really looked at it tnh
mellow bridge
it's a chance to apply a weakish slow with our spells
kinda useless in pve
while the endurance one gives us 5% crit
that's why I'm asking
jagged pier
🤷 see when the patch comes out
mellow bridge
🤔
im talking for the necrotic week rn
since people have been saying to go kleia for it
jagged pier
u dont need to go kelia
u get more pot uses with pelagos but u dont get the immunity
i use pelagos on all weeks tbh
kelia was nice on the first nerco week when gear was a bit low
apart from that
meh
karmic plinth
did a search and couldnt find anything - for NF do we know if the covenant legendary will be competitive for us literally anywhere or will wall / reprisal be better dam ?
inland raft
Pot overrated anyways, its nice dont get me wrong but its a single reset and cd doesnt start til exit combat so its cd is much longer then stated even
strong forum
did a search and couldnt find anything - for NF do we know if the covenant legen...
no, its dog
karmic plinth
thats some soul ash saved
ivory topaz
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of whether or not it's worth to swap to necro to play the new glory lego? I went 7/10M this tier and push ~20 m+ keys for reference. I suppose it's worth mentioning my key group doesn't currently have a necrolord, and the dps benefitting from banner benefit heavily from the mastery stat.
strong forum
youll lose massive survival to play the leggo, so in m+ its not an option. For raiding the general consensus is "its not worth the trouble"
jagged pier
^
inland raft
As for cov diversity could be worth depending on your group but necro is ass to actually play
sweet summit
Necro also has the least important/impactful benefits
jagged pier
^
inland raft
Ya unless pushing absolute highest of keys they really dont mean much
jagged pier
^
ivory topaz
Okay sweet I was just wondering. Was having some difficulty finding resources outside of the guy who wrote the review on it when it was first announced who seemed to be under the influence that it was the best lego in every situation.
inland raft
Necro is the one covenent that doesnt really matter if dont have in group
sweet summit
Fuck necro, all my homies hate necro
ivory topaz
you need a kyrian anyway
I don't. I have a ret pally in my group
jagged pier
your also 7/10M cov really wont matter
sweet summit
Nf 📈
inland raft
Nf stonks go up if have a kyrian
ivory topaz
I have nf in the group already. all bases covered except for necro
inland raft
I did kyrian>necro>kyrian>nf and by god nf is night and day in terms of fun
sweet summit
Ya ik
inland raft
But only if have consistent kyrian
inland raft
Big dam and that 12 second lockdown on casters is immeasurable helpful
sweet summit
Wonder if thatll change with 9.1 mikanikod
inland raft
Packs that made me sweat as kyrian i just aa and go get a coffee
sweet summit
Nah no way thats better than first strike nvm
inland raft
Plus aggro is a complete non factor with wild hunt tactics + first strike, charge tclap revenge even without ravager and a potting combustion mage without images dont take aggro
sweet summit
Yea its wild
strong forum
🥁
inland raft
I will always advocate nf if have a kyrian but the “if have a kyrian” part is pretty major
sweet summit
Yea 100%
misty otter
Hello , can i ask you guys ,wich enchant i need for my weapon pls ?
sweet summit
Celestial is a great all around enchant
inland raft
Short answer doesn’t matter, longer is celestial all around, lightless for aoe, sinful for st
But its all very minor
misty otter
thankyou
main wasp
has there been testing to see at least, at the moment with current numbers, if the unholy set or the blood set for the Shards of Domination will be better for prot tanking?
blazing condor
strong forum
could they even be tested on PTR
blazing condor
Smh washed up stormforged
strong forum
im very clean, thank you
muted arch
what do you guys dump range on when offtanking
sweet summit
Very washed up
muted arch
IP still?
sweet summit
Revenge
strong forum
revenge
sweet summit
IP to avoid overcapping if you have wayyy to much rage
strong forum
slam > revenge
sweet summit
If SS would overcap u id IP first
But you should avoid that situation to begin with
jagged pier
86
sick sentinel
question, for a 14/15 key how many spiritual healing potions do you use on a good run (no major fuck ups and deaths, at least +1 key)
jagged pier
0
strong forum
0
oak lotus
0
jagged pier
if its a good run i wouldnt be using any healing items
sick sentinel
how zero health potion tho, across board
oak lotus
Never had to use a pot
graceful sundial
quick question...in which piece of armor do you suggest to recraft reprisal again for 9.1?
sweet summit
Leg if anything
inland raft
Legs
graceful sundial
no need to recraft again? for example on my bdk ill recraft superstrain on neck due to new system (domination sockets)
strong forum
no
sweet summit
Yea nah
graceful sundial
Head shoulder chest wrist gloves for plate
ah yeah you are completely right
inland raft
Minor differences regardless so outside of domination socket conflicts, crafting on highest budget piece is the best long term plan anyways
Since dont know what 9.2 brings just like disnt know what 9.1 would bring loot wise
inland raft
True
strong forum
or not playing at all
inland raft
Even bigger true
sweet summit
Def the latter
strong forum
😎 🍷
inland raft
10.0 will save wow
sweet summit
inland raft
Final shadowlands boss is bobbys job
Joking aside i do wonder if 10.0 wil be the make or break at blizzard concerning wow, id imagine theyll try something big for the big 10.0 and if flops could lean more into classic and their attempts at esports with overwatch etc
sweet summit
I choose to remain ignorant
sturdy sable
I think what ever expansion launches whenever riot puts out their mmo is gonna make or break wow and even then it might not be enough
daring bay
inland raft
Been hearing the next mmo is the wow killer for 15 years
I think reality is, shifting demographics is the wow killer
Mmos are just losing audience
strong forum
well and wow is the wow killer
ionic fern
well and wow is the wow killer
That tbh.
wraith surge
guys i just timed a 18 mists, but i feel like i got carried by the healer...can some1 check these logs out and help me out on improving, ill appreciate that!
also i was struggling a lot with my SB up time in the boss fights
strong forum
block% is aight
jagged pier
wasted a bit of rage though
strong forum
could be better
but your CPM and thus, your DPS, is lacking quite substantially
mainly talking SS, TC and Revenge
all of them are way below what they should be in terms of usage
wraith surge
yeah i wasnt sure about using my rage on revenge
strong forum
my mans
jagged pier
60 
inland raft
Less ip more revenj
strong forum
and i did 600 hps more
wraith surge
i feel safer when i spam ip idk why
strong forum
you can attribute that to it being necrotic in your case
inland raft
Ip is to prevent overcapping or to smooth out large unblockable damage
Outside that just pump
strong forum
but you necessarily want to use IP even less on necrotic weeks
cuz its much more useless
generally what you should focus on for now would be your SS and TC usage
that will allow you to cast more revenges
this is my healing breakdown from my mists 18 ( it wasnt necrotic tho)
this is yours
youre certainly overusing Ignore Pain
muted arch
i try not to IP unless i absolutely have to lol
muted arch
jakey overcapping rage since 2005
jagged pier
in mists anyway
strong forum
ok sorry you "only" used 40 more
jagged pier
jakey overcapping rage since 2005
unless its that
strong forum
but i used 130 more revenges
strong forum
basically double your count N3nne
strong forum
and i got off a whopping 80 more SSs
rule of thumb is N3nne
your TC casts per minute should come up to 8-9cpm
SS 10-12cpm
this ALONE will make you much tankier
inland raft
Best defense is a good offense
wraith surge
why if i may ask
strong forum
cuz of rage generation
jagged pier
more rage
inland raft
Kill mobs faster you take less damage
strong forum
no
jagged pier
on everything
inland raft
More rage facilitates that
strong forum
i generated 20% more rage
than you did, over the same amount of time
28min dungeon vs your 29 min dungeon
inland raft
The biggest mitigation in the game is killing the mob so stops hitting you
strong forum
which means 20% more IP ( in theory ) 20% more CDR on avatar and SW, 20% more revenge casts
and you wasted quite a bit of rage
which means you overcapped
wraith surge
on ip?
jagged pier
no by overcapping
strong forum
no you just generated more than your bar could take, meaning you generated rage when you were already 100/100 rage
you literally generated unusable resources
inland raft
You should ideally never overcap, some will happen occasionally but every point of rage generates past 100 is just loss opportunity
jagged pier
impressive u did actually with all thoughs IP casts 🤔
strong forum
well he only casted 120 revenges
jagged pier
strong forum
132*
jagged pier
your poor dps meter
inland raft
My problem is rage starving myself on occasion cuz i get revenj drunk
Revenj goes brr
jagged pier
jagged pier
2.8k with re
inland raft
Ya 5k is like baseline in mists
jagged pier
strong forum
main takeaway is:
jagged pier
is it press more buttons?
inland raft
Its perfect dungeon setup for meter pad
wraith surge
5k??
jagged pier
high 4k - 5k yes
strong forum
more SS, TC and Revenge casts
Look more at your Ragebar, youre overcapping alot. ( IP is a great way to do that 😉 )
but yes, a good pwar will always do high 4k - 5k dps in Mists
mental scarab
Bind revenge to all the buttons
inland raft
Before i endes up taking a break i started messing around with itf/hr build just for change of pace which is inherently less damage and still was doing 5-5.2 in mists
strong forum
6k even if youre OWNING BIG TIME
inland raft
With ravager can really pump
strong forum
doing good dps is also a good benchmark that youre doing atleast something right
cuz you cant do good DPS without doing atleast something right
inland raft
Nah
jagged pier
😎
strong forum
youre 216
so yes and no
leggo rank itself doesnt matter too much
its just a loss of stats, but the effect is what is important
strong forum
NW
wraith surge
like NW
strong forum
🤡
jagged pier
is it NW ?
wraith surge
yes
jagged pier
did u pick up the weps?
strong forum
tanks can do up to 8k DPS in NW
its to be ignored
:^)
the last key i did back in April, and i accidentally ran BV
HoA boost run
wraith surge
i dont really feel safe spammin revenge like u guys do
strong forum
i couldve prolly done like 6k if i was greeding
wraith surge
ive just started tanking on 15+
inland raft
Not rven 5.5k nom
jagged pier
thats BV
inland raft
Thats like itf/hr damage feelsbadmon
pliant narwhal
what is your to go covenant for 9.1? or do you just throw the dice between NF and Kyr?
inland raft
Im swapping back to kyrian if i even play
Was nf before cuz had a ww monk but now wouldnt so
But thats if i plau
inland wasp
Im sticking with Necro personally. Being a support and buffing the dps has really made me more aware of the grand sceam of the encounters
sick sentinel
organ
strong forum
F
sick sentinel
shit your right too, well.... the upgrade valor doesn't change 9.1 righ
wraith surge
also one more thing, am i losing a lot of "primary stats" using a iLvl 200 trinket? @strong forum @jagged pier
its the cheat death trinket
sick sentinel
so, i'll just get the organ first, again, and then do the other thing, that thing will be piss easy for me to get, i just run the key 40 times till it drop lol
jagged pier
also one more thing, am i losing a lot of "primary stats" using a iLvl 200 trink...
theres a pin about when to use cheat death u shouldnt need to be using it at thoughs blocked hits lvls
i dont even run tank trinkets in 18s
and i didnt run scale in a 19 once
it was fine
sick sentinel
i had 2 deaths in that PF 13 1 was at the stairs guy stood in his shit, and at final, someone randomly died and i got tilted, we got boss to 1% and i died, healer killed it
inland raft
Cheat trinket is a crutch that makes you play worse in most cases at lower levels tbh
sick sentinel
we did the skip route perfectly though, only thing we didn't do right was we only got 1/3 interupted spider trash adds, and missed the 2 lil guys after rogue skip
group still say "wtf this route" though
wraith surge
Cheat trinket is a crutch that makes you play worse in most cases at lower level...
also i saw that with the necrotic stacks its useless
like it procs then i die insta
inland raft
Ya im not a fan of cheat trinket outside highest of keys even on non necrotic weeks
jagged pier
cant believe they undid the nerf on neroctic
inland raft
Necrotic its kinda pointless entirely for most part
sick sentinel
you knows those stupid bandages from KR
jagged pier
for prot yer it is
sick sentinel
i loved that trinket so much, just a gigantic ass bubble
inland raft
If want a defensive trinket still the spires one is both defense and offense in one
wraith surge
for prot yer it is
wym by that
rose furnace
I miss N'zoth tank trinket
inland raft
Haste is nice and procs often
wraith surge
is it because we dont struggle with necrotic?
jagged pier
we do not
inland raft
And its easy to stand in the zone as prot
jagged pier
wym by that
our tankyness isnt determined by healing
sick sentinel
all of BFA one of my trinkets was a chance to increase haste, the other was a chance to increase crit, both for like 10ish seconds each
those are the only trinkets i ever used throughout all of bfa basically
inland raft
Prot is about mitigating damage necrotic stops heals, we take lower damage then most tanks anyways so until the stacks are hogh enough that the dot portion is causing pain its not a big deal
sick sentinel
we needed crit, and we needed haste, so that was the go to picks
inland raft
Still one of most unfun affix imo though
wraith surge
our tankyness isnt determined by healing
so a healer like disc priest is bis for us?
or am i tripping?
sick sentinel
we need something that makes the green bars go up
because, we already provide the bubble part and defensive stuff, we just cannot heal ourselves for shit
inland raft
If mana wasnt such an issue mw is nice
sweet summit
Speaking of
inland raft
Yes
jagged pier
yeh
inland raft
A really good one
sweet summit
Are they contested by better options?
wraith surge
well diving now in this 19 NW to deplete it, wish me luck
inland raft
That i dont know as i dont play healer but healer friend of mine thiught it was the shit
sweet summit
Gl mate
inland raft
And always took it on ptr
jagged pier
Break a leg or something
sick sentinel
well diving now in this 19 NW to deplete it, wish me luck <:sadge:8202023633598...
thats how i feel going into 90% of keys that aren't dos, soa, or nw
sick sentinel
9.1 will change shit, i won't like it, i will complain about it most likely
jagged pier
9.1 is a bit out of no where
inland raft
i was finally able to snag a new gpu from microcenter so other games are playable now anyways
muted arch
does 9.1 change warriors at all
jagged pier
dps sure
inland raft
fury got buffed through leggo, prot stays the same, arms stays the same
muted arch
prot specifically i meant
sick sentinel
did i fuck up by not pulling the 3 slimes in the hall way after 3rd by hugging wall and back clearing trash towards mini boss,.... then pulling slimes?
i thought we want to get the slime with the red ring and he drops the crap at boss and we stand in it and get 10% haste
muted arch
haste is from necro
inland raft
you get haste from standing in the puddle too but not worth
inland raft
you do take damage though but not a ton
sick sentinel
they were complaining that it made the run longer"
inland raft
though on tyr week prob not a good idea on that boss as already so healer intensive that any additional damage is bad
muted arch
yo
are they gunna nerf bear at some point
what are everyones thoughts
big dmg and tanky af
muted arch
whatd u see
sick sentinel
they will BUFF bear
muted arch
u need a new ball that ones shit
sick sentinel
triple armor and double the heal
opaque quest
What they need to buff is loot. I did 28 DOS runs today and all i got was 3 pairs of boots and a cube lmao
FUck classes
sick sentinel
i have no idea why you would want to do a +28 but that's great lol
inland raft
also 28 runs in a one day is like 14-16 hours of back to back no break playing
should prob go piss or something
strong forum
i have no idea why you would want to do a +28 but that's great lol
28 individual runs, not a +28
jagged pier
also 28 runs in a one day is like 14-16 hours of back to back no break playing
not if its low keys
inland raft
true
strong forum
even then
inland raft
but even low keys thats at least 12 hours prob'
strong forum
its still a 25min dungeon if youre OMEGA fast
jagged pier
trrue
sick sentinel
wait hows that possible
strong forum
nolifing
sick sentinel
how do you run the same dungeon 28 times in a row 1 day
inland raft
real trick is finding 28 of same key back to back on a dead game
strong forum
9.1 announcement brings lost souls back
inland raft
people really smoking that copium
inland raft
jagged pier
tfw he has done more keys today than ive done all of 2021
same
inland raft
9.1 gonna fix everything
jagged pier
big X to doubt
potent anvil
X
inland raft
❌
blazing condor
Eks
amber herald
9.2 is gonna fix everything
inland raft
sweet summit
sick sentinel
gives me a valid excuse to spend for the pro version maybe
muted arch
maybe itll grow on me with practice
vagrant sable
if im only ever doing m+ as warrior. should i go fae?
inland raft
Do you have a kyrian that you play with extremely consistently? Then sure otherwise go kyrian
vagrant sable
i dont think so no, im usually the kyrian on my main ( brew monk )
opaque quest
i have no idea why you would want to do a +28 but that's great lol
nonononon. Not a 28. 28 runs
sick sentinel
maybe itll grow on me with practice
do you have macros targeting specific players?
opaque quest
do you have macros targeting specific players?
Get grid and clique and bind it to mousewheel
inland raft
So answer is right there go kyrian
sick sentinel
like /cast [@player1] Intervene
muted arch
i do /cast [@mouseover] intervene
vagrant sable
one last question sorry - do you ever use whirlwind? like is there any point having it on my bars?
opaque quest
do you have macros targeting specific players?
I usualy just use it on a melee so i dont have to reposition.
vagrant sable
okay thanks
oak lotus
one last question sorry - do you ever use whirlwind? like is there any point hav...
revenge goes brrrr
jagged pier
one last question sorry - do you ever use whirlwind? like is there any point hav...
no it costs more rage than revenge does less damage and doesnt proc SS
vagrant sable
understood, thankyou
muted arch
who do you guys intervene on sludge
sick sentinel
not sure I got what you meant but
jagged pier
yus
opaque quest
If it works it works. Im using clique which is basically mouseover without the hassle of making a macro
inland raft
Mouseover on party frame is what i do
muted arch
or if its melee just on their body
opaque quest
Mouseover on party frame is what i do
this
sick sentinel
I'd argue both is best
opaque quest
If you dont want to make macros, just get click. It works like the elvui button selection
clique*
opaque quest
One macro to much
muted arch
are u saying its easier to download and set up a whole addon 😂
opaque quest
- if he ever plays something else its great. Im using it for e v e r y t h i n g
inland raft
Only time ive ever felt clique was really worth was as healer and i dont play healer
muted arch
really any tank
opaque quest
Im using clique for interneve, tricks, md
So many applications
Even on my ret for bop and stuff
muted arch
i only found clique worth while on heals
bold plume
vhow we looking for 9.1 bois
muted arch
otherwise /mouseover gets me through the day
jagged pier
vhow we looking for 9.1 bois
the same as now
opaque quest
9.1 lul. 1 Dungeon 1 Raid and new world quests lel
inland raft
Most classes you have one or teo abilities you cast on other people, a mouseover does the job there
opaque quest
Clique literaly is a mouseover maker
jagged pier
9.1 lul. 1 Dungeon 1 Raid and new world quests lel
new zone
jagged pier
inland raft
Ues but unnecessary outside of heals cuz its one or two abilities that take 5 seconds to setup maxro for instead of entire addon
jagged pier
just trying to be positive
inland raft
Not saying clique is bad idea just kinda meaningless
opaque quest
Ues but unnecessary outside of heals cuz its one or two abilities that take 5 se...
You dont setup the addon. You pres P and youre done^^
But sure, if you wanna write a macro or two for every class, power to you
inland raft
And macro you /macro done
Just saying its like buying a drill to screw in a single vent screw
opaque quest
" a single"
inland raft
Instead of grabbing screw driver off your shelf
opaque quest
I see it as buying a good screwdriver once
Then using it for the rest of my life
no point in arguing tho
creatures of habit
inland raft
Ya as i said its not a bad thing just overkill for most peoples situations unless healer
opaque quest
All of us
sweet summit
Whatever floats your boat
opaque quest
^
sick sentinel
can also have intervene and charge on the same button w/ a macro
inland raft
Charge intervene and leap all on one
Big fan of doubling up binds for more abilities so move hands less cuz im a lazy fuck
vagrant sable
can you link that macro please?
inland raft
One button stop for all your movement needs zug zug
vagrant sable
do you guys ever use execute? its on my bars but i seem to never press it
sick sentinel
why wouldn't u lol
opaque quest
On bosses
opaque quest
Aye
vagrant sable
why wouldn't u lol
probably because im a new warrior so i have no idea whether to hit execute or use it on ignore pain to help healer out
but yeah i get what you;re saying
opaque quest
In DOS on drills and stuff
inland raft
Ip is almost never the answer
vagrant sable
oh
inland raft
Is shield block up? If yes do dam
jagged pier
think about IP how u think about cheat death trinket
inland raft
When you woukd die otherwise
jagged pier
it wont save u from dying
inland raft
Which comes with experience
jagged pier
magic based damage
inland raft
Big magic based damage
jagged pier
and to help smooth very high physical damage
opaque quest
When you have 100 rage and no idea what to do with it sounds good too
inland raft
More or less its to prevent overcapping
jagged pier
also when ur about to overcap
vagrant sable
but if you have full rage cant you just spend it on revenge?
inland raft
Overcap prevention and large magic damage
sick sentinel
isn't there something about when you do 2 IP , they double up the bubble?
or, you get a bit more i think is what it is
inland raft
Yes but ip does fuck all really compares to spending that rage elsewhere
sick sentinel
that bubbles capped anyways, can't giga bubble
inland raft
For example soul crusher when you cant reflect is a good time to use it
Because its large predictable damage you can smooth out
But using it to use it is just wasted rage 95% id the time
rustic relic
Doing some research and it looks as if you would want The Wall as your cloak next tier? Since no max ilvl cloaks from last 2 and you want domination sockets right?
sick sentinel
yeah, just basically if you are losing hp, or think you are going to take damage put up IP and SB
SB first
inland raft
Its if taking a very large git thats unblocable
Magic damage or extremely heavy physical
vagrant sable
so maybe like the tankbusters in new affix
strong forum
Doing some research and it looks as if you would want The Wall as your cloak nex...
or just dont use the wall
sick sentinel
i try to use IP more when they do magical casts and debuffs
rustic relic
@strong forum You think reprisal is going to be that much better?
strong forum
it already is
llarold put it pretty nicely
"Reprisal was newly revamped in Patch 9.0.5 to grant a serious increase in Shield Block uptime and Rage generation, and it has become the de facto choice for Protection Warriors in Mythic+, and a semi-competitive alternative to The Wall in raids. The Wall has maintained its place of prominence in Castle Nathria for the most part, due to being simpler and much more forgiving than Reprisal, even if it's somewhat weaker on paper."
inland raft
Ip is a trap most of the time cuz remember it only splits the damage not stop it
Its not worth overthinking really
strong forum
wall is weaker than reprisal, just simpler to play
inland raft
Use on large hits cant otherwise mitigate and to not overcap otherwise revenj
vagrant sable
okay thanks
rustic relic
@strong forum I just feel the whole Reprisal play style is so tedious. Would you just use intervene on your co tank and then leap out and back in to get the effect of Reprisal?
inland raft
Its press intervene on cd and charge when have an opportunity
strong forum
and you get a billion situations where you can charge
inland raft
Not tedious at all
sick sentinel
often, i will leap out, just so i can charge back in again for the reprisal buff
or intervene out, charge in, mid battle
inland raft
Can literally just walk away even
rustic relic
I guess so. Haven’t used it in raid yet. Only use it in M+. It looks like the pants are the best slot for it for next tier?
inland raft
Without even moving mobs very much
strong forum
Reprisal Legs gang ww@
sick sentinel
you could probably do charge spear intervene/leap charge fear, get 2 group vortexes (druid spell)
strong forum
doesnt work on bosses
inland raft
Thunderclap walk away charge furthest mob in pack
On bosses though just wait for casts etc
sick sentinel
for trash, i meant to clarify
inland raft
Theres so many opportunities
sick sentinel
make sure you make a WA that tracks your intervene CD, and just put it on same button as charge mouseover
someone has the macro
fleet river
I don't appreciate that it bakes 2/3 of my mobility as mitigation but that's not as big a deal in raids
You can say reprisal isn't tedious but compared to the wall it absolutely is
The wall is literally just "keep doing everything normal, oh hey shield wall is back up! And rage flows in faster!"
blazing condor
You can still play wall and be perfectly fine
strong forum
reprisal has slightly more engaging gameplay, and it rewards it as such