Insipre is a meme tbh
#protection
modern brook
high folio
some boss fights are terrible on necro weeks
high folio
thats fair
modern brook
like bolstering
high folio
but yeah like first boss of ToP is rough on necor tyr weeks
modern brook
Most dungeons have a boss thats rough on necro weeks
high folio
ye
modern brook
PF3, ToP1 and the rot guy, NW2, SD gauntlet (not really a boss but always toxic on necro)
Im sure theres more
high folio
oh yeah the gauntlet
grim nymph
First boss of ToP isn't bad--you just don't soothe Dessia for a couple seconds.
modern brook
I remember never thinking about it
that was back when we had bigger burst than mages
strong forum
skittish was never an issue
chilly brook
It was fantastic
chilly brook
Poor blood
strong forum
fuck blood
high folio
theyre unkillable but also cant kill anything
strong forum
facts
high folio
fax
high folio
if im dpsing i literally count to like 10 before i charge in
ive bursted threat off of them too many times
strong forum
bop/bubble is a rotational ability
chilly brook
high folio
die by the sword only lasts 8 sec 
chilly brook
I think I popped enraged regen a lot
high folio
the issue i have is that once i burst it from them they take forever to start taunting shit back
complaining ab how shitty pug tanks can be is legit the reason i MS prot
high folio
ill always be a tank
strong forum
complaining ab how shitty pug tanks can be is legit the reason i MS prot
"you either die to shit tank, or live long enough to become a shit tank yourself"
high folio
but i dont tank for my guild raids so i still gotta keep my dps up to snuff
high folio
"you either die to shit tank, or live long enough to become a shit tank yourself...
this tbh
chilly brook
Yea I got roped into raid tanking lol
strong forum
chilly brook
Joined this guild as a dps
high folio
exact opposite for me, they have established tanks so there was no need to change it up
torn gulch
9.1 june 29th/30th
high folio
im happy playing arms, i care more about m+ tanking anywatys
strong forum
not even full 2 weeks
chilly brook
Apparently they like my tanking or something
torn gulch
yea
high folio
9.1 june 29th/30th
did it get announced?
torn gulch
it did get announced
high folio
oh nice
high folio
yeah, i have to refarm 2 leggos bc blizzard is a bunch of smooth brains and two of my leggos are taking domination armor slots
fierce field
what are the plate domination slots?
inland raft
We know how many levels key will decay on 9.1 release?
high folio
idk off the top of my head, ik head and wrists are two of them
amber herald
I'm sure blizzard will make sure everything is balanced and correct before release 
stark sage
tbh fuck class tuning, give me content
stark sage
torn gulch
depends on what you do
strong forum
you get 1 dungeon you will visit twice
torn gulch
9.1 does have content
mental scarab
New m+ season
chilly brook
Really I want more class tuning
chilly brook
jagged pier
in before we get nerfed cause all top guild are running 2 for banner
chilly brook
I'm legit actually waiting for final tuning before I decide if I want to continue tanking or go back to dps
jagged pier
i will forever be sword an board
chilly brook
Oh I'm not waiting for tuning so I can decide to play something busted
I'm more or less trying to decide on whether any changes are good enough for me to even want to continue tanking lol
strong forum
it will come in hc week
thats what we thought in CN aswell, that there would be class tuning
but there was only for like 2 specs
jagged pier
chilly brook
thats what we thought in CN aswell, that there would be class tuning
BuT iT wAs FiNe LoOk aT hOw WeLl FuRy ScAlEd
jagged pier
🤔
jagged pier
nice spoiler
strong forum
i spoiled the spoiler
jagged pier
C:
strong forum
yeah but you have to play the game
strong forum
idk bout that one
lusty marsh
Brothers, the time is coming
sweet summit
ragnarok?
strong forum
Bedtime
sweet summit
ok gn
strong forum
Bedge
blazing condor
How i sleep knowing 9.1 is gonna be disappointing
lusty ember
cov for 9.2 raiding? i just got the nod to tank the raid team (DH got promoted at work, lucky me)
inland raft
Kyrian is general pick
lusty ember
damn, was hoping new leggos would mix it up a bit
inland raft
Nf more offensive in nature and aa is nice in keys so more debate there but for raid kyrian is a more clear winner
strong forum
damn, was hoping new leggos would mix it up a bit
all the leggos suck massive donkey dick
its literally "nothing new - the patch"
inland raft
I take offense to that, we get an exciting new 40 renown levels to grind @strong forum
How can you say nothing!
strong forum
and || 2 || new conduits!!!!!
such a meaningful system || that totally didnt get abandoned in beta ||
blazing condor
c omegalul n d u i t s
inland raft
And a new m0 only dungeon you will clear like 2 times!
strong forum
in 9.2 or 9.3 it might come to m+!
limber temple
Gotta leave something for us to be excited about in January when 9.2 drops.
strong forum
very exciting
already seeing in m0 that several mechanics are gonna be ass in m+
which wont be addressed until months later of it existing in m+
sick sentinel
so, these boys, they hurt enemies too?
i just drag enemies to them and kill and run out?
strong forum
yes but they do much much much less dmg than plagueborers
inland raft
Yes not as inpactful as borers but still hurt
sick sentinel
i'm guessing that's how your accomplish the triple pull on mdt
charge the first pack, aggro the other 2, run to the bomb, explode it
inland raft
You want to split the borers since they are target capped at 5 i believe it is
blazing condor
Yeah theyre capped
blazing condor
Ideally you would have someone cc borers
One of them
And use one for each pack you pull
sick sentinel
can i get the team to blow both them up or just the one on path
blazing condor
Unfortunately dratnos is pretty washed up and makes kinda ass routes lmao
inland raft
Ah
inland raft
I couldn’t remember i know i split them but couldnt remwmber off top of my head cuz havnt actually played in a while
sick sentinel
who should i follow for weekly routes then
sick sentinel
routes that favor warrior tank
inland raft
Best bet is make your own over time
But plka i think posts his routes on his discord
What works for one person/geoup won’t necessarily work for another
But new affix means new routes anyways
blazing condor
Honestly learn to use MDT and make your own routes
I got routes i could share that are pug friendly
sick sentinel
i know how to use MDT, i just never know if i'm doing the correct routes
or where to skip
inland raft
Ye i made routes for my regulr grouo based on affixes etc and then a generic pug friendly route
blazing condor
Well as long as you get good prides and 100% theyre fine
inland raft
That just gets the job done
sick sentinel
i have completed all dungeons on a 10 with pride
on time, so i mean, that's something i gues, not much
inland raft
Just make your route, run the route, look for points that felt overly tough on account of pull not because of misplay and look for alternatives
Rinse and repeat
Eventual youll find what works for you
sick sentinel
but, yes, i stick to dratnos routes, because it was on the raider io, if there was other people who posted routes, possibly for multiple clases
some dungeons, like PF you can only really pull 1 way
inland raft
Theres always different ways
sick sentinel
yeah, the correct way or not the correct way, or something inbetween lol
inland raft
I have like 10 routes for pf that change up percent counts at different spots or do pulls in different orders based on group comp or the affix
grim nymph
I love NW for all the different ways I can pull that place
grim nymph
You can pride 2nd boss PF
inland raft
I do on nearly every route i do
Including one whwre do pride and boss together with borers
sick sentinel
so you do the skip route go over the hill, skip the big pack?
inland raft
But none of that matters now since pride is bye bye
sick sentinel
i don't really know how the powers affix one works, but its really easy, you just choose the best one
inland raft
They did just buff all the mini bosses but i havnt played in ages so never even tested them
I assume theyll be cancer cuz blizzard likes cancer but idk
grim nymph
last I saw they were pretty easy, but I haven't tested them post-buff.
The buffs to the phys one look giga ass, though
https://www.wowhead.com/news/tormented-mythic-affix-lieutenant-tuning-new-abilities-322858
These are the buffs
sand steppe
Are we still expecting nerfs to NF’s waking dream? I heard it was super busted and if it’s going live it may be a play for 9.1?
jagged pier
it already has been
sand steppe
Bummer, I was hoping for something new and shiny other than the affix.
waxen cradle
it's our fault guys 8 months is not long enough to develop new things for the game, so they just slapped a new coat of polish on a couple turds, gave us a new affix for M+, the raid, and gave us a new M0 dungeon we will do maybe twice, I mean what's not to be excited about
fresh belfry
rancid ember
Tbf I'll do the M0 a couple times for ez gear on alts and maybe the hard mode, but yeah.. no M+ on it feelsBADman.
mellow bridge
blizz not making their new dungeons available instantly for m+ is the weirdest thing to me
literally not putting in more content for what reason exactly?
i dont get it
fleet river
If you ignore the amount of time that has passed it is perfectly consistent with the last two expansions
amber herald
is the tank trinket from the mega dungeon any good?
mellow bridge
I know that they did the same with mechagon and karazhan; but both of those are just as dumb imo :p
rancid ember
IF it's the reflect one it's pretty good
hardy siren
" Vanguard Hardened by battle, all damage taken is reduced by 10%, your Stamina is increased by 25% and your Armor is increased by 60% of your Strength." this change in 9.1.... is it new, or is it just a rewording of something they did before?
turbid cargo
Considering both Rk1 and Rk2 of Vanguard on live already have the "added" part
mellow bridge
just a tooltip update
timber cloud
Is there any general consensus on soulbinds for 9.1 raiding? I'm seeing some good new traits for every covenant
sick sentinel
how do you do the skip here with the arrow
just, all 5 invis pot? i don't know what other classes can do it
twin surge
That pulls are bad
U are wasting plagueborers
It better to use the two plagueborers to kill the two packs one with the Big guy
And the other with the bird and the caster
Then u can avoid the pull hugging that Wall and jumping over the river
sick sentinel
It's the dratnos route on weekly routes on raider io site, which this channel tells me are bad, okay fine
I ask where do I find other mainstream and get hit with , you gotta make your own watch yt
sick sentinel
I see a skip on the mdt Mapp so I go over to see the skip area, think it's over the wall and I can just jump, geometry is 99% the same
I go in on normal mode and not only is the area blocked off from jumping and walking over in the instance a guy spawns in middle of path before 1st where you just walk though on keys and some of the plague barrels are in different location
twin surge
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plaguefall route without shroud at start
olive fulcrum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gyKaJ8xtZQnP14p2
first thing id say is probably run the blood barrier if you have it or second life for another defensive trinket, or dreadfire for dps im sure theres better dps options then viscera.
second idk if its one offs or raids called a wipe but theres a few really big hits on you which makes me think you had your back turned to the boss?
heres a random pull, the green is when you have wracking pain, purple is when you have shield wall
warped wigeon
no hablan español?
olive fulcrum
theres a point where you wall without the debuff, im assuming its from carnage + wracking dmg
kindred prairie
first thing id say is probably run the blood barrier if you have it or second li...
there's times when we trade taunts i get smack by the boss
and today i got fck by remornia when we are about to go to gloomveil
olive fulcrum
ill take a look at the overlap
olive fulcrum
arent you running the talent where last stand procs block
kindred prairie
yep
olive fulcrum
you could try the AM build and have more demo shouts for the wrackings
the other thing that imediately comes to mind watching this pull before you die is that you used both charges of block before wracking thus didnt hvae anything to mitigate the melees
heres the graph a few seconds before you died
you could also ask one of your healers to hold a CD for that spot if it just doesnt get any smoother
but also watching wipe 18 im not sure why you had a mini boss up, that should've been dead the same time that the 2nd melee mini boss dies so idk if its a different strat or
olive fulcrum
yea idk, i feel like the points that you spike are just wracking pain debuff + higher stacks of the dot
maybe a lower CD on SW could save you more times, though im not 100% sure what the CD would be like in additon to having the wall
your mitigation profile could look something liek SW > bark > SW > sac/ps > SW during the phases where theres repeated high dmg taken
try and think of like a ill use a CD here just incase everytime theres a wrackings + high dot overlap or at least have a charge of block up at the start then when block is falling off demo + IP spam without overlapping into external/wall into block + ip
topaz dragon
Hey fellas, any real disadvantages of swapping to Kyrian for 9.1?
kindred prairie
try and think of like a ill use a CD here just incase everytime theres a wrackin...
key dude i will try to get blood barrier
i was fury them i change mid prog to prot because are pally wasn't doing good so im really behind gear
ty for the help men
olive fulcrum
the blood barrier will help, just be vocal as a tank to call externals/dont overlap big cds
gl on sire
errant oriole
might be an odd ball question but how do you guys think with new raid coming in 9.1 prot wars will be? is the raid a lot of magic or physical?
carmine prawn
Will there be an added column in the excel sheet for blockable/reflectable spell for the mini bosses in 9.1 m+?
floral solar
So with Domination Gear, using the Wall lego, Where should I be crafting it. I have it on my shoulders, still at 190 as I did very little tanking on the warrior in this tier. Should I start making it on the Back piece? (Switching over to prot for 9.1 in raids.)
sweet summit
ya cloak would be better next tier
but im pretty sure you just run reprisal anyway, so you dont really need the wall that much
carmine prawn
For reprisal in 9.1, will there be a need to change if i crafted it on the legs?
sweet summit
no thats perfect
carmine prawn
Cool, thanks
sweet summit
sylvanas drops great boots
carmine prawn
Domination gears won't cancel out our choice on pants as well?
sweet summit
Plate: chest, helmet, shoulders, bracer, gloves
carmine prawn
Nice... this is good to know
carmine prawn
> Plate: chest, helmet, shoulders, bracer, gloves
These applies to every class, i presume?
sweet summit
thats for all plate gear, yes
tame jasper
What‘s the state of the raiding 2nd life? I have in mind that someone said its worae than Alar. Do I have to stay on Alar for 2nd life?
bitter arch
Hi guys, I wanna going go Tank in 9.1. How would you rank warrior in raid and m+?
tame jasper
(I hate needing to raid -_- )
sweet summit
warrior is good enough to clear all pve content with
lyric relic
all the tanks are relatively the same balance, which is why you can really pick whatever you want or what your raid needs
sweet summit
obv raiding is gonna give you a gear advantage, but domination sockets dont work outside the maw so its not that big of a deal if youre fine with losing the extra ilvl of last two mythic bosses
bitter arch
I played it in last patch of bfa and has a hella fun with it. Do I will have a similar experience?
lyric relic
probably!
sweet summit
9.0.5?
lyric relic
lots of cool stuff to reflect this tier, reprisal is a joy to play as a legendary
bitter arch
I heard it was bad at the start of shadowlands
lyric relic
there was a point a week or two ago
where top 4 raider io was 4 different tank classes (and warrior was second)
bitter arch
Okay
bitter arch
Currently I am venthyr because I raided as an arms in SL
lyric relic
idk if the covenant will matter much early on for prot
but currently venth fury stocks are high
bitter arch
I was kyrian before so I should go back probaly
blazing condor
Kyrian is better than venth for prot for sure but you can play any covenant
topaz dragon
For Raid and PvP its Kyrian yea?
carmine prawn
Anyone knows of a good site where we can kinda preview what each 9.1 raid boss does? To get a grasp of the fight and learn what is to come
tame jasper
Anyone knows of a good site where we can kinda preview what each 9.1 raid boss d...
Youtube, Twitch 😇 But I dont think that‘s what you mean. Afaik tanknotes and this mythicsomething page arent updated yet.
I personally would also be interested in a „this does (not) change in 9.1 for prot“ overview/faq“ with things which ste asked often here (legendaries, soulbindes, etc)
carmine prawn
Cool, thanks bro. Have been scouring youtube for test vids, and trying to feely how the fight goes, just thinking if there is a site that kinda compiles all these data for easy referencing
gaunt dawn
Working on getting tanknotes done to a basic concept level by end of next week
I.e. no talents or full suite of class tips
🙂
Thought I had until august 😢
carmine prawn
Working on getting tanknotes done to a basic concept level by end of next week
Huge thank you in advance!!
chilly brook
@jagged pier wanna tell me how bad I am on sire?
jagged pier
strong forum
7
jagged pier
I wanna put my head through my wall
and also same
chilly brook
Uhhh general is fine, most of the problems just seem to be p2
jagged pier
4 intervenes in 5mins 🤔
chilly brook
Literally just swapped to reprisal tonight kekw
gaunt dawn
i think i nailed it with my score
sweet summit
just play better @chilly brook smh
jagged pier
any parts of p2 u struggle with?
ah looking at your 5min pull near the end u died to standing in the rancor
dont do that
thats insta death
@chilly brook if its helps im happy to stream some of my recordings to u later and talk through the fight if u want when im off work
show u how im dealing with it
sweet summit
jagged pier
hasnt replied though, obvs doesnt want help, (lets just forget hes US so may just be alseep)
jagged pier
sick sentinel
Hello. Sorry if t was asked. Since the 9.1 was announced i was curious if there is a clear covenant for prot warrior. M+/Raiding. thank you
jagged pier
can play which one u like
solemn ferry
Hi, is the new socket system likely to affect The Wall slot for raiding ?
is it worth changing to back ?
jagged pier
you should be play reprisal anyways, but changing to cloak for wall is probably the right call as shoulders drop for slyvannas
solemn ferry
reprisal for raiding as well ?
jagged pier
yes
outer solstice
you should be play reprisal anyways, but changing to cloak for wall is probably ...
I already have cloak wall xD xD xD
did not get a cloak early, so I've put my first wall on cloak 😛
rotund thicket
did you have the time to look at my logs?
jagged pier
ah shit, i knew there was somthing link it again and ill take alook now
jagged pier
so yer the usual things that we see in logs
your blocked hits is 60% which is low, so your miss managing shield block a bit and not using reprisal to its fulll potential
your casts are a big low about 2 CPM SS short and around 3-4 TCs short so your missing out on a lot of rage a min that will going into low shield block up time and low damage
u waste a little bit of rage but not as bad as ive seen and as bad as ive done before so just a little more management, but obviously when u get your CPMs up u get more rage to manage
you LS and SW usage is better than most as well
but u could use them more
so yer press buttons more espically SS and TC as u want the rage, with rep revenge should probably be your top cast ability but get used to generating the rage and using shield block correctly and reprisal correctly as well fix the defensive stuff before going for the offensive stuff
for instance u might be using shield block as mobs are dying or casting or when your kiting so your wasting is basically
and you could have intervened far more u want to try and use it on cd that will also up your blocked hits
once youve sort that stuff out you should be taking a lot less damage, and have a lot more rage to play with
rotund thicket
alright, ty for the analysis 🙂
jagged pier
np
orchid frigate
looks like i'm back to raid tanking in 9.1. whats the tldr going into the next season? 🙂
jagged pier
nothing has changed
sweet summit
same as now
orchid frigate
thanks!
blazing condor
We do be tanky doe
last yacht
Hey, so i noticed we are getting domination gear in 9.1 and one of the slots for plate wearers are shoulders. I have a max rank The Wall on shoulders does this mean i would have to recraft it to a back to make space for the domination armor slot?
jagged pier
you probably do want to recraft it on the cloak, but that being said u should be useing reprisal anyways so recrafting is kind of a waste
last yacht
Okay thanks. Reprisal will be the go to for raiding as well in 9.1?
last yacht
Alright thanks. I haven't played in a while so i was still swapping to the wall in raids
blazing condor
Thats what i meant dont bully cus i cant into england
grim estuary
I cant decide which covenant i should choose for my Prot (only m+ Focused) Kyrian and NF both have good things and bad things. Any suggestions ?
jagged pier
it really doesnt matter they are basically equal
grim estuary
true 🤔
jagged pier
but NF pumps
grim estuary
ye true
outer solstice
NF also works great for CC of casters, kyrian for melee mobs
grim estuary
in a kite meta Kyrian is the better CC
outer solstice
I love shoulshape
well,... we have no problem kiting
we have a problem keeping aggro kiting
grim estuary
true
blazing condor
Spear is ez threat gain
grim estuary
or just face tank it the warrior way
blazing condor
Even when kiting
blazing condor
But yeah you dont really need to kite muchh
outer solstice
also we need many stuns/interrupts and such as well, like the adds before 1st boss in SD
damn ticks
outer solstice
works once
grim estuary
ye it both sounds rly nice
outer solstice
anyway, either works
did you liky skyhold? go kyrian, if not go for something new and become a friend of a certain shroom and become a fun guy
grim estuary
i mean the transmog for kyrian looks cooler but im not that desperate xD
grim estuary
doesnt it look like a cosplay of Groot ?
outer solstice
kinda, I like it
grim estuary
ah damn why cant one be simple better xD
strong forum
in a kite meta Kyrian is the better CC
Prot doesn't kite
Only very specific mechanics are kited
Outside of that, you tank, unlike a vdh
It's only regarded as a kite meta because most tanks are vdh, and they have to kite by design
grim estuary
It's only regarded as a kite meta because most tanks are vdh, and they have to k...
ye i know
north iris
I kite at 50 necro stacks because it gets a bit dangerous
grim estuary
and the halls gargons will always be kited ( when buffed) probably to eternity xD
north iris
I ignore pain gargons and continue shield slapping. There’s a chest we must get to after all
grim estuary
xD
outer solstice
just don't let the gargons get buffed,... oh well I kite em anyway
celest ferry
Guys, how do you think prot warriors will perform in the next patch?
jagged pier
same as it is now, great
strong forum
Nothing changes in 9.1 for any tank
jagged pier
who needs tuning all spec and covenants are within 1% of each other like they promised
wise rivet
hmm im debating a lot about swapping to kyrian.. currently im nfae.. what you guys think of kyran/nfae for m+ focus?
jagged pier
really doesnt matter, youll find most groups need the kyrian slot though
wise rivet
aight i'll take a look up, thanks both of ya
topaz dragon
I just swapped from nf to kyr today
Mainly to have it raid ready. I worry it's going to affect my parses in raid
But the spear pump
rotund thicket
does giantfist count as melee hit for intervene? are you basicly solo tanking sludge for 6 sec?
jagged pier
yes
rotund thicket
kk, ty
brittle owl
Following the tuning theme of bfa
not true, bdk got shat on in bfa
strong forum
Ya and then never touched again
Bdk got nerfed in 2018
And that was all the tuning it saw until SL "rework"
wild hemlock
im guessing reprisal moving to boots?
jagged pier
no
wild hemlock
did they add a slot for it in ptr? a new one? was checking wowhead and its only for boots+leg
wild hemlock
ah. i guess our shard isnt on legs then either
wild hemlock
well thats nice. all my other classes have to switch lego slots
sweet summit
Plate: chest, helmet, shoulders, bracer, gloves
wild hemlock
awesome tahnks
amber ravine
I know prot has been working its way up as a great tank as 9.0.5 progged. Hows the outlook for 9.1? mainly m+
amber ravine
compared to?
jagged pier
it was a great tank before ppl just didnt know how to play so called it bad
amber ravine
it was a great tank before ppl just didnt know how to play so called it bad
really? I just didnt see many at all until recently
carmine prawn
Anyone knows what was the max renown we can earn per week? 3 or 4?
fleet river
It was not top 3 before reprisal change. It was after, but few played it because it started off much lower
Reprisal was a big buff
Not much has changed since that buff apart from more people playing it
amber ravine
I’m looking for a change, played guardian/DH for tanking almost exclusively and I don’t wanna havoc or boomy anymore in raid. Fury has been fun af. But I need a tank for my push group. And I don’t wanna set the group back
So that’s great to hear!
orchid anvil
What better NF or Kyrian for Covenants
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
yes
orchid anvil
Im NF at the moment
strong forum
NF for dps
Kyrian for m+ covenant versatility and general utility cuz phial
orchid anvil
Shall i change to Kyrian
orchid anvil
So no really point changing then?
jagged pier
not really
youll find most groups lack the kyrian buff though
so keep that in mind
orchid anvil
Very true, most of other tanks are Kyrian so thats why i went NF
i went NF for the oulshape too
blazing condor
Tfw ive always played 2x kyrian in keys cus my premade is WW
Always wanted to try NF but cba
orchid anvil
very true, but i dont think there is much in-been them tho
cause i would be able to get to nearly 40 now before the patch comes out if i did change it
crimson furnace
hey guys, could someone please help me and explain what the hell is going on with the PVP loot in the 1st 2-3 weeks in the new patch?? Do i need to farm and grind PVP in the first weeks??? pls help!!
blazing condor
As ive understood it can still be worth to do pvp but it wont be bis like in 9,0. This is because the ilvl scales down by 13(?) Outside of pvp - meaning that pve gear will have higher ilvl outside of pvp
But it will still be like -13 ilvl below what the better pve gear will be so it can therefore still be worth
Unless theyve changed anything this is how it works to my understanding. Maybe the #223972896219856896 channel knows better
modern brook
hey guys, could someone please help me and explain what the hell is going on wit...
Short answer is no
crimson furnace
:))
jagged pier
yes cause transmog
crimson furnace
XMOG IS LIFE!!
jagged pier
it shouldnt matter as much anymore as raid loot drop rates arent as shit as they were at the start
crimson furnace
1.8k rating items are higher than heroic....
jolly wasp
Sorry if I'm blind and didn't see it but, is there any info on the new necro legendary?
like, are we still using reprisal no matter what or?
jagged pier
yes
crimson furnace
yes
jagged pier
perfect scenario lul
modern brook
its competitive/better in a perfect scenario
Ur a perfect scenario
jagged pier
get a room you 2
modern brook
get a room you 2
Don't worry you're a perfect scenario too 😊
jagged pier
sick sentinel
If we're necrolord will we be using the new legendary?
sweet summit
reprisal 📈
sick sentinel
We'd be using that in raid over buffing others? even as neccro
sweet summit
depends on if you need the SB uptime/glory is a dps increase
but as it stands you still run reprisal it seems
strong forum
Potentially the necro leggo, potentially not
Depends on if youd need the survival gain from reprisal or not
frozen mulch
Anyone have weakauras to share?
Looking for one that will announce to group if im CC'ed
Really need this
atomic tide
Advice for someone new to tanking?
fleet river
Advice for someone new to tanking?
sick sentinel
@strong forum Isn't The wall better for survival? I'm abit out the loop been afk for a few months
Thought reprisal was dmg
sweet summit
Reprisal is better when the majority of damage taken is blockable
So this tier for example, if we had reprisal to begin with. Youd most likely run reprisal on all bosses except for maybe inerva/sire where the wall could be better
frozen mulch
tender glen
Don't worry you're a perfect scenario too 😊
threesome is the best some
sick sentinel
heelllo ! is warrior protection going to be meta next patch in mythic + or rait?
jagged pier
why does being meta matter? 🤔
sick sentinel
because if i dont meta, i wont get an invite in groups
jagged pier
we were considered not meta yet use in the WF kill of sire
i mean thats just wrong
groups always need a tank
sick sentinel
but why nobody invite me with my warrior and if i play damonhunter i get some
sick sentinel
strange
oh hi guys, i forgot something
which covenant is going to be meta for protection warrior?
jagged pier
kyrian or NF
sick sentinel
in 9.1
jagged pier
but u can play which eever u want
ripe cargo
so, kyrian prot+arms
ripe cargo
it seems that in m+ arms will be playing kyrian
harsh mulch
I guess someone that only feels like playinng arms and only plays m+ but doesnt really care about their performance either
sick sentinel
i came up with this strat other day, don't do it, 2 spawn and then giga heal
the trap makes it immune and can't be removed, so dps can't do crap to it
sick sentinel
Is it gonna be more of a raid dps gain to go like Kyrian or NF instead of Necro especially if on some fights you can't run Glory banner loses even more value
sweet summit
Or did they actually change rhat
Oh right
Personal dps its better
Overall raid dps
brittle owl
you could end up giving it to the wrong class still
sweet summit
Depends on how gpod yoyr mates are/how well cooldown line up/how well they stack for ypu
Cba editing that, you get what i mean
brittle owl
i wouldn't even consider it lower than HoF level rbh
sick sentinel
Yeah lets say in a perfect world
u get the banner on the right people 100%
its better then
sweet summit
Yes
sweet summit
Huh?
brittle owl
as in, don't just assume you're gonna actually live in the "perfect world"
sweet summit
Oh yeah
brittle owl
until hc week comes
sweet summit
Or monk/vdh
brittle owl
everything is up in the air tbh
sweet summit
Trust
muted arch
Are there many changes to warrior in 9.1
sweet summit
No
brittle owl
nop
sweet summit
Execute got buffed
sick sentinel
god damn dks
brittle owl
dk's are more like heck darned tbh
sick sentinel
DK's AMZ is still dog even as blood
muted arch
Whats up with dk
sick sentinel
Looking at the numbers
whats up is that dk has on demand heal, deathgrip, control undead and magic mit
muted arch
Ill be surprised if tank comp isnt warr dk or monk dk
Prob monk dk since warr dps is way better than monk
muted arch
Because they bring a raid cd
Even nerfed id still consider amz more valuable than rally tbh
mellow bridge
and you think that why?
I'm not sure you understand how insane rally is and how hard amz got hit
fleet river
Amz is great in 5man content, nearly the same as it was before
muted arch
Because rally doesnt prevent damage, it just prevents possible deaths
Amz does both
And on a bdk it’s still a fair amount of DR with their larger health pool and versa
Rally is awesome for spread mechanics tho, im not too sure what the fights are like this raid so theres a chance rally could be more valuable here
We’ll see what they do july 13th!
mellow bridge
an increase in health is pretty much the same thing as a DR
fleet river
Rally effectively lowers the % of total health of an effect which deals discrete damage
i.e. damage reduction
mellow bridge
^
fleet river
It just does so through buffer rather than coefficient
edgy belfry
also amz is magic only and you gotta be stacked, rally is 40 yards and good in any situation
flint plank
Gonna be like monk/dk i bet
Why monk ?
fleet river
People also forget rally exists sometimes so you have an extra raid panic button
sweet summit
cos MW is bad and WW isnt good
fleet river
My mythic group had 2 mistweavers up to 6/10 that was an experience
2 mistweavers, 0 paladins ,0 priests
flint plank
cos MW is bad and WW isnt good
Just didn’t know if Brew was getting buffed or something lol
junior igloo
Nah, brew is still bad.
But you need a monk and the other 2 monk specs are equally bad if not worse.
Plus brewmaster is probably the least mistake punishing spec in the game
Is there some math/analysis for 9.1 covenants somewhere?
sweet summit
like what exactly?
things stay mostly the same as it stands now
maybe @ionic fern has some hidden tech somewhere
edgy belfry
what is an average cd of shield wall when using anger management in m+?
edgy belfry
cheers
sweet summit
ya kinda
muted arch
Wondering how warrior feels in high keys compared to other tanks
sweet summit
o nvm i cant help
strong forum
Gonna be like monk/dk i bet
Na, I think it's gonna be prot + X
WW is good, havoc is good
Fury or arms? Idk
Dks are just dead in the ditch for all 3 specs for a WF raid level imo
Guardian doesn't bring anything
And pally is just.. Pally
sweet summit
fury is very good
ww has very weak ST
idk how havoc lies with its recent buffs
stark sage
dps war was pretty dire in CN, and was still brought over prot, fury is looking to be above average now
strong forum
Ya cuz people refuse to acknowledge that prot isn't trash
stark sage
sweet summit
is lies even the proper term there?
strong forum
It works
Havoc is looking to be relatively good in 9.1 from what I've seen, and it brings darkness, so veng is almost off the table
Pwar is the only tank with a raid CD and it fills the bshout role, and potential necro buffs
stark sage
unless you're my guild, and the only good DH player is a tank one trick
strong forum
That's my thought process
stark sage
thing about war is execute is much more valuable on dps than prot
chilly brook
@jagged pier yes I went night night
I'd be down to see your perspective though on the fight
stark sage
and dont get me wrong, this is like trying to figure out WF comp, every guild could run double pwar and do great still
sweet summit
ya 100%
chilly brook
thing about war is execute is much more valuable on dps than prot
Tell that to my condemn that hits harder than arms
stark sage
strong forum
Like lowkey
If the bosses aren't omega fuck you dot/magic dmg
Double pwar sounds like it would be good
1 necro, 1 reprisal pwar
Reprisal war as MT, necro as buffbot
stark sage
big problem is that defensive/mitigation is almost never the bottleneck for WF guilds
and war utility is just slightly better on a dps because of execute
edgy belfry
you cannot afford 2 prot warrs
stark sage
depends on what 'you' refers to
chilly brook
you cannot afford 2 prot warrs
Why cant you?
stark sage
because 99% of the guilds absolutely can
wouldnt be optimal, but you could afford it no doubt
edgy belfry
thats pretty much what i meant, i know they can kill it with 2 prot warr, but they wont do that
you need all the buffs and you are not gonna bring ww or mw if they suck
strong forum
But WW doesn't suck
stark sage
even MW doesnt suck in the right player's hands
chilly brook
^
edgy belfry
he seems to be good in m+, but is he gonna be good in the raid?
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
WW owns
chilly brook
Doesnt look to be stopping next tier
sweet summit
WW owns
stark sage
big problem WW faces is being melee, when raid fights almost always punish melee
muted arch
i think he's talking at a WF level
any class is fine to play
but youre not gunna see a WW in WF race
edgy belfry
i am not saying ww sucks lol
stark sage
WF comps dont tend to have a rhyme or reason, you'll see weird classes all the time because they can cheese a fight
edgy belfry
also i think we wont see ww in wf race indeed
chilly brook
WW owns <:copium:839076283467431956>
Currently they're right in the middle of the pack at 95th percentile
They were one of the top for the longest time
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
muted arch
you could realistically kill any boss with 2 prot pallies, 6 survival hunters, 4 mistweavers and 8 destro warlocks
chilly brook
Bro
sweet summit
yeah cause their cleave is good, like fury rn. but ST is fucking omega bad
chilly brook
People said we weren't gonna see WW in WF for CN because it "sucked"
stark sage
sweet summit
?
chilly brook
then scaled well
Kekw
stark sage
if anything monk has had a reputation for having bad scaling
muted arch
no one expected it to be as good as it was
chilly brook
It did the opposite of scaling lmao
stark sage
they were buffed
fiery warren
If you need the debuff, you will definitely see it in WF
chilly brook
^
fiery warren
Probably pwar/vdh tanks, probably no MW, so 100% WW
muted arch
do you guys run reprisal in prog
chilly brook
Depends on the fight
muted arch
dont have time to farm 2 leggos before mythic drops
fiery warren
I think the Wall is probably the safest bet, in my opinion
For raiding, if you can only have 1
muted arch
dam i fucked up lol
strong forum
Reprisal is the safer bet
People still playing the wall didn't realise there was patch 9.0.5
muted arch
reprisal basically gives u 8 extra sec of SB + 80 rage per taunt swap ya?
muted arch
ya that incleded that
like 1 charge + 1 intervene per taunt swap
so 8 sec SB and 80 rage
sweet summit
u have 2 charges though...
muted arch
how do you charge while tanking lol
fiery warren
You probably don't lol
sweet summit
boss casting something
like shriek swipe/puke thingy
spreadshot/3 arrows or whatever on huntsman
expunge/overwhelm on hungnering
strong forum
There are tons of situations where bosses are stationary
Or adds to charge on the side
fiery warren
Again, it definitely shines on certain bosses. But early prog, I'm personally gonna push the Wall until I get some gear. Then I'll push Reprisal
strong forum
You do you
fiery warren
I think there's comfort in having SW up so often, but I'm a reroll and dumb.
jagged pier
how do you charge while tanking lol
u dont u charge before
jagged pier
I think there's comfort in having SW up so often, but I'm a reroll and dumb.
its the same cd as on prog u would run bolster with the wall
strong forum
^
fiery warren
rip. I've been using AM for both
jagged pier
@chilly brook when you free den?
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> when you free den?
Not gonna be for a while my work day just started
strong forum
rip. I've been using AM for both
I mean so did I, I ran wall+am 24/7 cuz raid tank dmg isn't really high.
jagged pier
Not gonna be for a while my work day just started
nah thats chill dude can do tomorrow sometime
should be online most of the day
strong forum
But the 1min CD on SW and 60% block uptime, vs 1.5min CD on SW and more dmg and 80%+ block uptime
Makes me think that reprisal is better in almost all scenarios
jagged pier
^
chilly brook
nah thats chill dude can do tomorrow sometime
Aight sounds gucci
jagged pier
👍
muted arch
u dont u charge before
why wouldnt you charge into taunt? seems like prime opportunity
jagged pier
thats what i was saying u dont charge when tanking u charge before u start
can do it twice sometimes
strong forum
Pre-build that block
fiery warren
Can probably charge 2x, wait, SB, wait, SB, wait, then Intervene, and go back to your SB
And hopefully a tank swap happening soon
At least that's how I'm imagining it in my head, that's like 30 seconds of SB
analog sphinx
what covanent is prot wanting in 9.1? necro?
jagged pier
any
strong forum
Can probably charge 2x, wait, SB, wait, SB, wait, then Intervene, and go back to...
You want to get the CD rolling on all 3 things, charge, intervene and SB.
You can easily reach over a minute of solid block uptime
Without tank swaps
fiery warren
Assuming you can re-charge back in
fiery warren
It's a neat play. I'll get on the dummies and try it out
Re-roll from boomkin, so I have convoke brain
strong forum
And often SB alone covers alot of situations
Don't overthink the charge usage
Just play, and you'll see the windows yourself
exotic summit
Assuming you can re-charge back in
you need 4 globals and a nearby ranged leap/charge/int/charge
fiery warren
Yeah, I see it a lot in M+, which is when I use Reprisal the most. Just didn't think to apply it to raid bosses
strong forum
what covanent is prot wanting in 9.1? necro?
Same as in 9.0
jagged pier
loads of times a boss stands still tbh
exotic summit
it`s easier in raids because all is predictable
fiery warren
Yeah, I'm sold on it
Fret not, the Stormforged* did their job
Add some spice to standing in front of a boss gameplay
vagrant zinc
I just wish the wall lowered the CD on last stand rather than shield wall
two leggos that apply to shield wall, none that apply to last stand
fiery warren
And getting to postpone remaking the Wall on cloak
exotic summit
I fail to see why you want that 😄
fiery warren
I feel like I use LS as a "heal" most of the time
jagged pier
new venthyr one does
vagrant zinc
depends on the boss
jagged pier
depends on boss
muted arch
and if not do you feel the need to fill gaps with IP
jagged pier
u should fill the gaps with last stand or shield wall
vagrant zinc
fill in the gaps with shout and cds
fiery warren
Am I wrong in trying to maintain SB with IP? I feel like that smooths the damage out the most
SB > IP, but try to keep both *in most scenaiors
vagrant zinc
IP is the most underwelming ability in the game
jagged pier
depends as well
muted arch
i mean like fully plan out
fiery warren
I think you could get an idea of when you use CDs and call for externals after a few pulls
vagrant zinc
I am only 6/10M, nothing hits hard enough at 225 to actually need a CD
fiery warren
You can just look at the logs on WCL right now and see what the big hits are
Cross reference dungeon journal on PTR, and get an idea
vagrant zinc
Im on the PTR right now
strong forum
oh you dont plan out your last stand/shield wall ?
I don't
I just go in and win
Usually
fiery warren
1-1.5min on SW carries a lot of wiggle room in my eyes
vagrant zinc
Tarragrue's big hit is blockable
strong forum
Entirely feelycrafting the use of SW and LS
vagrant zinc
Both of the eyes tank are physical and 1 looks blockable
The Nine is [hysical an blockable
fiery warren
I think half the mechanics on Eye are reflectable
exotic summit
I forgot why I was here today 😄 , then mele brain kicked in, do you think Pelagos will still be viable with the new traits ? bron winks at me
exotic summit
thanks Nomeratur 🙂
strong forum
Although kleia offensively offers maybe some new interesting stuff aswell
But the frequent mastery amp from pelagos stays relevant
Especially defensively
vagrant zinc
Here is a quirk, Kel, Thusad has two main attacks on tanks, a soul fracture which is shadow damage (might be able to be reflected) and an ice shard which does physical damage not frost
strong forum
Yes just like jaina
And NW last boss
Their ice shard ability is a physical projectile
vagrant zinc
yea
exotic summit
The extra potency conduit with Pelagos seems good for execute phase 😄
strong forum
Otherwise the bosses would be impossible to tank
strong forum
The extra potency conduit with Pelagos seems good for execute phase 😄
3 potency is 1 potency too many
exotic summit
I agree, but there is no work around (or is there ? )
vagrant zinc
Anyone know if Sylvanas's arrows are blockable? I know ranged attacks are usually not
strong forum
Ranged attacks usually are blockable since 8.1
distant crystal
and i want to say that jaina's autos were originally magical weren't they
distant crystal
vaguely remember them being extra brutal at first
strong forum
But every tank would just die
vagrant zinc
I am still going back and forth between guardian and prot warrior for next tier
strong forum
vaguely remember them being extra brutal at first
You have the stacking debuff
Making them hit harder for each consecutive hit
distant crystal
i just thought there was actually a hotfix that made them regular ranged attacks
might be full of shit tho
vale tulip
Guild is asking me to tank next tier and I was going to go prot warrior, they are looking decent right?
distant crystal
ye
vagrant zinc
Prot warrior is kind of a pain in M+ compared to other tanks
north iris
No?
distant crystal
wut
jagged pier
no?
vagrant zinc
You guys dont thinking using reprisal is more work compared to face tanking?
north iris
Reprisal is face tanking
strong forum
Reprisal enables facetanking
distant crystal
i mean druids and warriors are the only ones that actually can face tank really
north iris
And it’s hella amazing
vagrant zinc
I always just think of the first few pulls in DOS
distant crystal
and warrior can face tank OR kite tank
strong forum
I always just think of the first few pulls in DOS
Ofc
Whenever someone says "I feel squishy"
distant crystal
druids just gotta grin and bear it 😏
strong forum
Where?
"first pulls DoS"
Whenever someone has trouble, it's always those 2 pulls
vagrant zinc
Fthey are the worst
strong forum
On every class
jagged pier
Whenever someone has trouble, it's always those 2 pulls
TRUE
vagrant zinc
but on a bear you just incarn them both
strong forum
Incarn is a 3min CD
distant crystal
just take 3 minutes to kill first pack
strong forum
Ez
vagrant zinc
Yea, you skip the second pack
then come back for it after you kill the two mobs that enrage
north iris
On first dos I leap mass aoe taunt shield wall block brb shower and we Gucci
edgy belfry
there is a problem with timing tho, the first spirit is literally on the platform that leads to hakkar, too far away from the urn and i dont think you wanna kite him
distant crystal
TIL warriors got challenging shout back
vagrant zinc
I always look for something similar on my druid and it is never there
strong forum
On first dos I leap mass aoe taunt shield wall block brb shower and we Gucci
First pack is LS+ Lust
2nd pack is SW then kite
inland raft
This is the way
distant crystal
the big trick is having a dps cd available for 2nd pack
depending on your comp everybody blows their load first pack so 2nd pack takes a year
distant crystal
on my boomy i'd often hold cavoke instead of blowing first pack
and just use the last bit of CA precast
strong forum
Not a terrible thing to do
north iris
First pack is LS+ Lust
nice nice noted
distant crystal
just depends on your comp and how long their cds are really
chilly brook
I always just think of the first few pulls in DOS
Imagine trying to face tank melees that aren't actually melees but rather magic attacks
dense gate
If I'm wanting to play tank in M+ and fury in raid would you guys suggest kyrian or NF? Atm looks like Niya for prot korayn for fury looks stronger but idk if the new soulbind traits change that dynamic
strong forum
Nf
dense gate
Same dynamic with niya prot korayn fury?
chilly brook
Korayn for prot
chilly brook
You wouldn't run korayn in raid as fury unless you can constantly refresh the buff
dense gate
I would but I don't want to become one of those people on twitter who let conduit energy rule their lives
strong forum
Niya - raid
Korayn - m+
That's the main takeaway
Unless it's a heavy aoe fight with constant spawns ofc, then Korayn in raid too
pearl jetty
Oh perfect I was about to ask this question
dense gate
Cool. If I'm progging something like SLG i'm good with being suboptimal in keys for a little while. Just wanna pretend conduit energy doesnt exist
chilly brook
You know
pearl jetty
FS is still the play then too I take it with the covenant potency conduit?
chilly brook
Korayn for m+ for fury/prot doesn't really change much lol
You're changing maybe one conduit
Maybe
Or you slot the NF conduit
dense gate
Guessing you use the NF conduit
chilly brook
And you dont change anything
strong forum
You always wanna use the Cov conduit