I'd argue that happens only at lower keys because that's where the dumdumbs are
#protection
fading girder
ionic fern
Well, lets be honest - there are plenty of dumdums on higher keys as well.
primal nimbus
There are dumdums in lower keys who don't really know what's going on, and then there are dumdums in higher keys that think they are above doing the mechanics
cinder nova
It's more "as a fury I rip aggro a lot"
And as a tank "fury never rips aggro from me"
ionic fern
It's probably also related to what class your tank is.
And as far as i've DPS'ed keys..there are a lot of tanks who are only worried about their survivability and hence do their rotations sub-optimally.
cinder nova
Prot war
I also lean harder on trying to pump
My goal is trying to peak over 7-10K each pull tbh
Bosses I care less about because they do fuckloads of damage
So especially tyr week it's more important not to stress the healer
steady epoch
leggo on feet or legs?
brittle owl
sweet summit
leg
brittle owl
🦵
steady epoch
Ty sers
mild dawn
It's simple if the healer enjoy the key you do something wrong
sweet summit
🤣
strong forum
Then I did everything right
brittle owl
ionic fern
I like playing healer since it's a nice break but i also hate playing healer cause then i realise how bad all the DPS'ers/Tanks really are.
steady epoch
aight, first ever key as prot wml
brittle owl
break a leg
urban portal
It's probably also related to what class your tank is.
And as far as i've DPS'ed...
To be fair, dying is much more of a obvious mistake than doing low dps
ionic fern
Sure, your first priority as a tank is to survive but outside of that there's a lot more you can and should contribute.
Survival is just the bare minimum. 🤷
strong forum
"you either die to shit tank, or live long enough to become a shit tank yourself"
I keep saying it
And it will always hold true
jagged pier
^
daring bay
Where do you guys feel like prot warrior ranks in pure "tankiness" Obv bear is tankier but i feel like my 200 ilvl bear is tankier than my 210 warrior. So kinda a big diffrence
strong forum
Hard to judge that
daring bay
True, just asking peoples general feel. Playstyle has allot to do with it aswell probebly
strong forum
Bear has a 1min CD automatic proc of frenzied Regen, which is stupidly broken. and translates insanely well into bigger pull sizes cuz of UFR
Vs fewer targets bear isn't as tanky as pwar cuz of his limited amount of rage gen /IF stacks and long CD on FR and SI
wraith surge
Where do you guys feel like prot warrior ranks in pure "tankiness" Obv bear is t...
honestly i feel the same with my 190 bear
and my war is 215
wraith surge
maybe the only dungeon where i feel safer with war is ToP
daring bay
Ye, might be either scaling or playstyle. Becuse obviously warrior isnt bad. Nefttank has done like 26s with it so.
wraith surge
yeah im not saying warrior is bad, but defo harder than the bear
blazing condor
strong forum
Especially when bear is strong
blazing condor
Thrash
strong forum
Makes everything seem hard
strong forum
Eh I'd say fuck fotm babies
wraith surge
just use a toy
wraith surge
i just want to learn prot war
ionic fern
I mean..i care about balance but chances are the balance isn't so scuffed that it would prevent your average player in doing anything with any class.
wraith surge
ionic fern
Well, anything a average player would be doing.
ionic fern
i just want to learn prot war
Logs, VoD's, lets go.
ionic fern
Je, np.
If you want me to yell at you over discord while you stream a key for me i'm up for it.
wraith surge
blazing condor
HANDLE IT
cinder nova
Yo fuck I'll take that
But you gotta shout at me in a language I can understand and call me your precious cinnamon bun
wraith surge
hold on
ionic fern
Service is only available in English/Estonian.
Also possibility of voice modifiers for a more personalised experience.
wraith surge
ionic fern
cinder nova
Oh fuck I got homies up in Estonia
wraith surge
Service is only available in English/Estonian.
Also possibility of voice modifie...
ill take it
ionic fern
sweet summit
amogus
jagged pier
Amogus
blazing condor
Whatever you do don’t say Amogus backwards
strong forum
Amogus
blazing condor
I TOLD YOU NOT TO
strong forum
Whatever you do, don't say racecar backwards
sweet summit
carrace
lucid sand
ecarrac
strong forum
Carapace
lucid sand
of N'zoth?
cinder nova
It's like watching infants in daycare eat crayons with all the self-assured fervor of a stupid man that believes in conspiracy theories
I love it
blazing condor
real chads grind and snort the crayons then pull every pack at once
ionic fern
wraith surge
when the
cinder nova
moon hits your eye like a bit pizza pie
wraith surge
yeah hate when that happens
strong forum
Why does that sound like song lyrics
ionic fern
Probably because it is a song lyric.
ionic fern
Everything except for prot related chat?
somber sky
nah alpha as fuck chads who telepathically talk about prot warr and just jam in prot chat
🙂
in a 2-lego system would reprisal and wall seem to be a strong combo? or would the necrolord lego and reprisal be the better option.
sweet summit
reprisal+seismic 📈
somber sky
that's so less IP D:
sweet summit
okay
somber sky
is IP that bad now?
somber sky
why not?
somber sky
well then magic survivability would be lower right? I mean with wall you can just press that on a caster pack and live for a long time.
ionic fern
Reprisal+Seismic indeed.
IP is not bad - you just need to make a decision if you actually need it or not.
In general with our increased SB up-time we should have less of a need for IP so more Rage can go into Revenges.
You still use IP depending on the situation tho, so nothing has changed from that pov.
sweet summit
not lower than it is now
somber sky
I'm assuming with higher haste values in later tier, there's even less worry for downtime
sweet summit
ionic fern
somber sky
D: so i'm a clown that got baited? D:
ionic fern
I'm assuming with higher haste values in later tier, there's even less worry for...
Haste does reduce your SB CD obviously but it has nothing to do with "later tiers".
With proper play/talents you can already have around 90%+ up-time on SB.
somber sky
I'm super tensed right now. I haven't crafted it yet and still use wall in m+. Is maintaining sb with the lego a high entry threshold? Or are there too many nuances to max the uptime that only experience can teach?
sweet summit
with reprisal?
somber sky
yes
ionic fern
There's a ton of nuances but the TL;DR is:
Just Charge/Intervene everything.
somber sky
interven on cd
jagged pier
Its higher than with the wall but its not a massive threshold
U get used to it after a few runs
ionic fern
~~#~~Self promo, check the Mythic+ section in IV, i made a short guide for Reprisal in section 3.1
somber sky
mkay. I'll start practicing this week.
just went kyrian to try out spear with fury and it seems to be the best time for me to do some prot keys too :D
somber sky
~~#~~Self promo, check the Mythic+ section in IV, i made a short guide for Repri...
thanks that helped a lot
funny how a guide does what it's supposed to do
jagged pier
somber sky
ionic fern
funny how a guide does what it's supposed to do
Huh? 😂
somber sky
Just telling myself I could've just read the guides instead of pestering y'all multiple times with the same question.
:)
rly tho it helped clear my questions >.>
ionic fern
👍
zenith monolith
quick question guys, Gloomveil add in Sire. I am debuffing it from the adjacent platform. It randomly doesn't hit it. Is there a science to it ?
zenith monolith
no no, I mean Wracking Pain
zenith monolith
yeah I am pretty close to edge
jagged pier
U can to forget about the adds and just hit her
And the angle has to be right
Thnkful its not my job
zenith monolith
it is just her, the way we do it, there are no other adds for me to hit then
i get it right 90% of the time
but wanted to clean it up
jagged pier
As far as know u cant it just misses her if u are a fraction off
somber sky
is gloomveil the closer add after taking mirror in p2?
zenith monolith
yeah thats whats happening
its the platform after where boss hits the two interrupt adds
I take boss after first WP there and leap to second platform, then aim for GLoom
somber sky
oh the first melee add
zenith monolith
after that one
somber sky
the second one got it.
zenith monolith
yea, I taunt, leap , aim
somber sky
the tanks I've been doing that with jump off to that platform and hit her from point blank
zenith monolith
watched so many povs but still missing every now and then
ah yeah we are not doing it that way
because there wouldnt be time for Hand of Destruction after
or it would be tight at least
somber sky
and for that they keep either wall or pain supp for it. It's a super tiiight window but at this point it's okay to bring it down to 5-8% and let dots rot it down.
somber sky
Pog asf
analog swift
that shot is always toxic for me, always seems to be a puddle under my fight
somber sky
puddle... of rancor?
zenith monolith
I got a technique now, leap that side of platform, so boss is GLoom side
then walk through him for Wracking
hits you in back
but is spell
then strafe out
somber sky
oh also 1 more thing
zenith monolith
so you have one crescendo in front and one where you stood
somber sky
the tank jumps there asap after taking mirror and then keeps him there for first buckshot outside the aura then once melee makes its way there after killing one cabalist, mr tank moves inside and then grazes gloomveil with the next shot and sends boss to mainland.
zenith monolith
ah yeah that would work, but we cant change strat now
too close to kill
i will have to aim better lol
somber sky
but that requires that tank to have at least one major defensive before moving inside the mist or he's dead.
grim nymph
@zenith monolith We did it the same way you did. You just have to be smack on the edge of the platform.
sick sentinel
200haste crit belt to 226 versa mastery ugh, both with sockets and new one is indestructible at least
zenith monolith
<@!202151041771372546> We did it the same way you did. You just have to be smack...
Thanks man. That's what I thought.
high folio
is prot war gonna be good in 9.1?
prot warrior is a very solid tank. its just much more dependent on good decision making and resource management then some other tanks
elfin nova
You don't have to be close to gloomveil
I stand at the mirror
It's just a thin line so you have to aim well
Walking through the boss during wracking cast works very consistently for me
What I'm most confused about is sending melee to kill gloomveil
mighty cairn
if i'm 10/10 m but we only cleared up to 8/10 last week, can we still get 233 gear in the raid vault?
sweet summit
if you've already killed slg and/or sire at least once on the same difficulty as you killed the other 8 bosses this week, yes
mighty cairn
nice - thanks !
steady slate
In plaguefall, the group of 3 slimes on the bottom level with the last boss, do they give buffs to anyone or just necrolords?
sweet summit
anyone can stand in the red goo the red one leaves after it dies and gain the haste buff, but only necrolord get the other stuff
sick sentinel
https://wago.io/SL-Dungeons (get the library for sound effects while ur at it, same link)
https://wago.io/bbkvIO71A reflects
elfin nova
They give a buff to the person who is necrolord that shares with nearby party
sick sentinel
these will help in keys alot
elfin nova
Ie. You need a necrolord but everyone gets the buffs
steady slate
ok. so i should aim to have a necrolord with me in this dungeon
sweet summit
its not mandatory
elfin nova
It's one of the least impactful
sweet summit
its one of the "lesser" buffs
sick sentinel
necro just makes it potentially easier if you don't waste the buff
steady slate
i've got my route set up for prideful on every boss but dr ickus. i'm trying to combine buffs where possible to make tyrranical a little easier
isn't that NW?
sick sentinel
right, soz
steady slate
i think i can work my route to get pride on ickus as well.
sick sentinel
no, i'm wrong person to ask about PF, i hate that place
primal nimbus
i think i can work my route to get pride on ickus as well.
If you want pride on all bosses without having to do some crazy routing later on, you pretty much have to skip up to slimes in start
And the slime buffs are group based, but only for the people close to the necro who picked them up - but they are pretty minor buffs compared to other dungeons so no need to bring necro for that dungeon
blazing condor
I have a no-skip PF route with pride for all bosses
Unfortunately im not by my pc so cant share : /
timber cloud
yo - quick dps quesiton. for 2-target cleaves like Huntsman, should you be using Execute or Revenge when a target is sub 20%? I figure that Execute with 40 rage does more damage, but when expending ~20 rage I'm not sure if 2 targets on Revenge beats out Execute
sweet summit
execute is more damage per rage than revenge up to 3 targets
execute damage per rage is also linear
so 20 rage execute is the same dpr as a 40 rage execute
timber cloud
Up to and including 3 targets? ie 4 or more targets revenge pulls ahead?
and I figure that 40 rage execute is way more efficient from a global optimization standpoint, with high haste
sweet summit
revenge is better on 3
timber cloud
bless
modern brook
so 20 rage execute is the same dpr as a 40 rage execute
You're so knowledgeable
sweet summit
modern brook
grim nymph
226 weapon or a 226 stitchflesh's signet?
sweet summit
if you dont already have a 226 weapon, the weapon
grim nymph
I have a 220 of both
Game hates me cause I still got a 184 shield, chest, and shoulders
sweet summit
pain peko
grim nymph
But yeah, weapon probably beats ring or wrists
sweet summit
for sure
modern brook
pain peko
i still havent had a shiled drop period
ran 131 for most content until i finally got around to grinding conquest
sweet summit
you calling me out on that confirms that you know what that is
therefor you also are a weeb
sweet summit
modern brook
blazing condor
Real based people watch and know all about anime so they can hate weebs more efficiently
sweet summit
sick sentinel
do we still run kliea this week for immunity to disease? (kyrian)
strong forum
if its necrotic week, yes
sick sentinel
kk, that affix is actually quite fun for me
unles we at least 35 stacks of necro, we aint havin fun yet
sick sentinel
how much is is for a rank 4 leggo again
gunna be able to get a new rank 4 this week or next
sick sentinel
ooh, i thought it was 4.x, not important, i'll have 4700 after this weeks torghasts
distant crystal
cinder nova
🤔 226 Splintered Heart or a 226 belt? I have a 223 belt, but I have a 220/226 trinket setup.
I'm guessing belt.
sweet summit
mellow bridge
I'd take the heart at this point tbh
3 ilvl on belt isn't that much and will likely be replaced pretty quickly in 0.1
mellow bridge
The heart might actually still be used in 9.1
As the new cheat trinket seems like hot garbage
cinder nova
Heart get
strong forum
You just lost 5 cool points
mellow bridge
:o
cinder nova
I can see Nom sitting with a whiteboard gridded with tape as he keeps statistics of everyone's quantifiable cool as dictated by him alone.
He frowns, adjusting his signature trilby as he frustratedly erases the number in my box and reduces it by 5.
open vault
Hello everyone. Need some help. What's better for raiding content: Necrolords or Kyrian?
cinder nova
Depends. How coordinated is your group?
As in: are your DPS min-maxing chads that use Mastery prolifically and have decently optimized rotations?
If you answered no, Kyrian
If you answered yes, Necrolord - then coordinate with your Mastery-using DPS to pump their numbers.
If you wanna be a meter chad yourself, NF
open vault
Thank you for you answer!
grim nymph
Is there ever a reason in which IV (lol) or NS would ever be used?
modern brook
You put the lol on the wrong one
Ns sucks, ip isn't worth Amping, 100% buff happens at 0% hp it's linear.
Iv is just less healing over the course of most content
It's helpful when you don't have a healer and can't get vr procs
Generally that's like
Mage toweresque shit
grim nymph
quick maths suggests that you need to spend ~9 rage/sec to make indomitable's healing equal that of IV.
modern brook
Sure
But it's a difference of cadenxe
The short answer here is no, for the record
grim nymph
Obviously, that ignores the max HP increase of indomitable.
modern brook
Indom always better
But there are corner cases where iv can be considered
I don't think there are any in current content
grim nymph
I used NS back in BFA in motherlode due to that goblin girl
sweet summit
i dont think that was the play
modern brook
And a loss on the rest of the dungeon
sweet summit
u hearthed after 2nd boss
but anyway
indom is better in all cases for current content
grim nymph
Yeah, with your hearthstone set to the inn right outside motherlode
sweet summit
never surrender is absolutely garbage and never picked
iv could see play in the future
sick sentinel
attempted 14 spires, but they didn't stack for the 3rd boss, so i die to swirls trying to run through, some how leap off cd
mage freecasting in narnia, rogue big mad, accidently call him "the wrong"
grim nymph
Kind of figured there was no current use cases for the other two talents, but I was just wondering if there is even a theoretical situation in group content (M+ / raid) where they could potentially be used.
sweet summit
i dont remember the lore of IV atm
but its something like
if there is a huge hit every 30 seconds
and little damage outside of that
then its better than indom
modern brook
Basically that
If you damage intake is such that you only really need healing every 30s, and you won't get reliable vr procs, iv has more efficient healing
Because a) it's very fast, and b) it won't dump most of its efficacy into overheal
That's said we also just dump rage like a madman, and have very powerful cds up for anything that would hit that often
So it still doesn't make much sense to lose indom
sick sentinel
if i could play for flavor i would want to venthyr prot with IV
but it would be a disaster
burnt thicket
Hey guys, new prot here. What is the tankiest covenant and soulbind? I am thinking of switching to Necrolord, is it worth it?
jaunty granite
for what content? mythic raid/
burnt thicket
m+ only
jaunty granite
oh
the NF stun is nice, the soulshape to kite is also nice
being away from mobs is healing that doesnt need to happen so that factors into mitigation
burnt thicket
is kiting really that necessary with reprisal and having shield block almost constantly up? I know that NF is the most recommended one but I dont like them that much :/
jaunty granite
depends on the keys you're doing
burnt thicket
also the conq banner has 30% mov speed that could help me with getting those charges for reprisal
jaunty granite
if you're just doing 15s ur fine as whatever
burnt thicket
i dont aim higher than 15s
jaunty granite
then run what you want imo
burnt thicket
aight, thanks for the advices 🙂
wraith surge
hi boys, i need some help on improving, ive done a few keys and i feel like i can do better
can some1 check these logs ?
i appreciate the help in advance
🙂
sick sentinel
i found it at the dollar store for 4 bucks
thorn remnant
Best slot for The Wall? Shoulders?
sick sentinel
i think so? thats the one i did 1 sec
yeah, shoulder, because you get more armor value from that slot, i don't know exact value differences of stat 1 and stat 2 when u add missives, compared to cloak slot
jaunty granite
i did soldiers too, legos are better in slots that give more stats
like chest legs etc...
unless theres a big ilvl discrepancy in another slot
copper lion
which talent do people find better in M+? AM or Bolster?
cinder nova
AM
cinder nova
AM is objectively better
Just run Reprisal
It's more damage, shorter CDs, same survival.
sick sentinel
hmm, okay, i have that already
here this is me, always open to hear what i'm failing at specifically so i can improve
i did 1 14, and that was some how by the mercy of god on time and i only died once at 10% on final boss
marble hearth
just getting around to making my leggo for offspec prot
any particular slot for reprisal?
or is legs fine
cinder nova
Are you a mythic raider progging on SLG?
sick sentinel
shoulder, more armor than back, as well as stats
cinder nova
Reprisal can't fit shoulder
sick sentinel
legs
cinder nova
Legs, then
marble hearth
aight i thought as much ty
sick sentinel
im going to attempt to look this up at least a little bit
marble hearth
haste/vers im assuming
sick sentinel
thats what i did, but i think you can use any stat in place of versa
marble hearth
haste/mastery then kekw
lofty nexus
late in the game but...Stone Legion or Anima Field trink?
median tulip
I use AFE
sick sentinel
i can't see the stats, but its 174, 193, 210, 223 (rank 1, 2, 3, 4) armor values for a plate chest shadowghast breastplate runecarving item.
i'd have to buy all 4 pieces and 2 missives and check the % difference between the stats
marble hearth
u can get 233 legs so
median tulip
You might be able to get 233 Legs, if your guild can kill SLG and the Random Number Gods are kind
marble hearth
i only need legs/helm for full 233
sick sentinel
chest was just example
if ur talking crafting reprisal, u can only do on legs and boots, and its mathematically better to do on legs
marble hearth
im just saying for instance if i craft legs then get 233 legs from vault id be cucking myself
ah i gotcha
marble hearth
ill just put it on legs
so how much does Vers actually matter
bc i legit barely have any vers coming from fury
cinder nova
haste/mastery then kekw
Haste/Vers if you're not trying to parse
if you wanna pump haste/crit
Also
All of your questions thus far are answered by everything in there and more.
And if you aren't killing SLG this tier, there's literally no reason to boots > legs.
I can guarantee you're not gonna reinvent the wheel if you have to ask questions on what you need to do, and I can also assure you you're overthinking it.
There is no individual stat benchmark.
More stats > ideal stats
marble hearth
huh
ive never tanked before bro, its literally just to tank some weeklies for friends
cinder nova
The reason you use Haste/Vers is because Haste is our strongest survival and DPS stat collectively, with Vers right behind it.
marble hearth
not that deep
cinder nova
🤔 ...and you're stressing about minmaxing?
cinder nova
You legit don't need leggos at all to tank
You can do most of the content this tier without legendaries at all.
So it doesn't matter if you're not really gonna come back to it for any prog or M+ pushes
marble hearth
nope, i do all of those things on fury, just thought id ask a general question on leggo slot
cinder nova
Pins are a pretty good place to start.
marble hearth
i read them lol
sick sentinel
reprisal generally seemds to be the best one for prot
median tulip
I prefer The Wall for Raid Tanking
marble hearth
i didnt see anything in the pins regarding where to build reprisal.
hence why i asked
marble hearth
your comment was about the pins, it really doesnt matter...
cinder nova
You do realize that legendary slot priority is identical across all classes, right?
With the only variance being 9-10/10 M raiding
Which is... well, a pretty minute part of the player pop
marble hearth
i said the only parts of 233 im missing are legs and helm...
cinder nova
Are you progging/clearing MSLG?
marble hearth
full vault every week
cinder nova
Then you want boots if you can get 233 reliably.
Although you may have to remake them depending on the slotted gear in the last bosses of the next tier
So if you don't want to (or simply don't care if you have to) then boots is bis
otherwise legs
marble hearth
aight ty thats what I thought, never paid any attention to prot so excuse the stupid question
fathom stag
poor heroic leap
topaz dragon
V for get the vuck out of there
nova surge
Hello, i have a quick question: Which are the best combo trinkets for protection warrior?
For Myrhic+
cinder nova
Are you looking for damage, survival, or a mix of the two?
Blood-Splattered Scale is kind of an obvious middle-ground because it does pretty spicy damage for a tank trinket and gives you a fatty barrier to catch yourself with.
If you're pushing content to the point where you're literally unable to overcome the numbers of the dungeon (like doing dummy high keys in the low-to-mid 20s) a Splintered Heart is also pretty good, but you should apply the suggestions in the pin to your decision when using it for M+.
Past that, probably a Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds
I usually rune Scale + Heart for really high keys or Scale/Decanter if I'm just farming 14s for vault/valor
@sweet summit Tell me I'm an idiot and help refine this answer, because I'm pretty sure I'm shy a dozen wrinkles or so when it comes to trinket builds.
nova surge
Atm we are a group that is pushing some mid end keys(14-17). I would prefer something for survivability (combo) and not for dmg cause the dps i have with me are doing right now a really good job
lucid sand
A Phial can be real good for holding aggro, consistent dot damage that applies through AoE
nova surge
atm i am using Heart +Stone Legion
But i also have all the other trinkets, so i can choose whatever is better and equip it
sick sentinel
Anyone know what stats and slot we want for reprisal legendary. Sorry if this is dumb question
carmine prawn
Haste and vers... generally
cinder nova
If you aren't clearing M SLG you use the normal slot prio
Haste/Vers if you want a good mix of survivability and damage output.
Haste/Crit if you're a meter chad
Haste/Mastery if you hate yourself.
tame jasper
Hello, i have a quick question: Which are the best combo trinkets for protection...
I run Scale and Alar (2nd life from raid, but well its a raid trinket)
median tulip
Hello, i have a quick question: Which are the best combo trinkets for protection...
I run Anima Field Emitter and Blood Spattered Scale almost 100% of the time. Very occasionally I will use the Decanter of Anima Charged Winds.
chilly brook
It's very simple. Am I in danger? If yes use IP if no then revenge
As far as your stats are concerned, you having a different stat allocation isn't going go save you. Your survivability is 98% how you play and your decision making during the fight.
Haste is valued because lower GCD, faster autos, more casts which means mean rage
urban portal
from a shit player's perspective, its harder to wipe a group through a lack of damage than lack of mitgation
urban portal
^that
chilly brook
Not as huge with reprisal but still very nice
You'll learn, it shouldn't take much time tbh.
Again because faster GCD, which means more casts and also faster autos which means more shield slam resets
Which means more rage
More IP casts certainly would be better than a minuscule amount of damage mitigation or addition to your absorb amount with lower casts of IP with less haste
People focus way too much on vers
Eh
Maybe
I rarely press IP tbh
urban portal
the more comfortable you are the less you have to press ip
scarlet swan
More revenj
chilly brook
PF is probably one of the dungeons where more IP casts wouldn't be bad, but a lot of the dangerous mobs or pulls are a meme anyways because plagueborers kill the pack for you
urban portal
but thats reallly player skill
like the more comfortable you are with content, the less IP you press
chilly brook
Its extremely hard to actually just say 1x IP is better than 2x revenge casts because it's so incredibly subjective to each pull and group
urban portal
and sometimes yeah, its not like you are gonna go shield blocking infectious rain
and its not like you are gonna revenge while the final boss is down below
chilly brook
Those are all physical
Shouldn't be having much of an issue
Unless you're getting memed by the ambushers
Yea
So
You want to kill them and not have their casts go off
Theyll hurt you badly but they'll one shot anyone else in the group
Nah
Just blow them up
They're low HP
Use CC to stop the ambush cast
Or
Just dont kick the big spider girl mobs
rotund thicket
Just blow them up
chilly brook
Theres literally no reason to kick the webbing cast
You can reflect the root and it delays the stealthlings
scarlet swan
if you feel like you need to spam ip to live, unless your not using cds right its probably the healer
jagged pier
Cd usage as prot os very different and not like other tanks you should be actively using them so u dont waste usage while also keeping them for qhen u want them it takes a while to get used too
As for demo.shout you dont need to tome that just use on cd
And IP just use when u need it which isnt very often
winged wind
Can you recommend the overwhelming power crystal as tank trinket? got one in 226 in the vault and I'm not sure if I should take it.
strong forum
Sims quite well, I used it for a bit. But the ilvl gain on it isn't as powerful of an upgrade over having the regular 220/210
winged wind
Thanks, still equipping the char therefore just crap M0 stuff so far.
and an ilvl 158 bell which sims insane 🙃
jagged pier
Then its probably a good choice but depends what else your vault has given you if your in m0 gear
winged wind
213 boots to replace 184...
winged wind
Thanks a lot 🙂
strong forum
^
jagged pier
That being said if its like a 3 ilvl upgrade to bracers or cloak or like a 226 phial or scale id take the trinket if im honest
winged wind
Good to know, I'm thinking about rerolling to prot from BrM as my raid has enough monks but needs a warrior for the AP-shout.
jagged pier
Seems like a good choice tbh, monls a little lack luster atm
winged wind
yes, I really like the tankier feel of prot. in M+ the monk just gets shredded unless I'm kiting...
jagged pier
Dont get me wrong though if bliz reduce that celestial brew cd monk gunna busted XD
Or just not give the absorb shield a timer
blazing condor
Every keg smash reduced the cooldown of CB by 2 seconds
jagged pier
Yes
But you cant chain the shield
Which if they did ither of thoughs 2 things you could
blazing condor
Oh oops i forgot keg smash actually lowers cds on brews
I havent played brm in so long
Perdon señor jakey
jagged pier
I suggest give it ago its pretty enjoyable, i enjoy it every now and then for a key just to the fact that you can have an absorb shield bigger than your hp pool but then i remeber it only lasts like 8 seconds because duration
blazing condor
Yeah 😦
I have one thats 200ilvl or something
Then again i dont even play in general right now
Maybe next year when 9.1 hits
blazing condor
sAAAdge
deft basin
Hello, i have two questions about legendary slots in 9.1 with domination gear since i'm catching up on that:
- Should I craft The Wall on the back slot since there are domination shoulders ?
- Sylvanas drops higher ilvl shoulder and boots, does that mean i should craft Reprisal on legs ?
jagged pier
This only really matters if your going to clear mythic and actually get thoughs pieces
If you are likely to kill slyvannas on mythic regularly and get thoughs pieces then sure make it on the low pieces
But cloak is low stat compared to shoulders so yoill loose on on crafting the wall on it
But really its like no difference what slot u make a leggo in
deft basin
Alright i'll keep that in mind, thanks
jaunty granite
Yo jakey. I did that strat from your video today on sludge.
jagged pier
How did it go?
jaunty granite
Awesome. I took significantly less damage. They moved beacon to the DH. I didn't need PS. And I had like 60% uptime
jagged pier
👍
jaunty granite
Thanks fam. Good vid
jagged pier
No probs glad you found it useful
jaunty granite
Ya it took like 1 pull to get used to it. I used my intervene on ranged when I ran out with the circles. I got the range right so I didn't charge them and we didn't overlap. And I just charged the boss every single time I could.
After sludge resets from pillars I squeezed in two charges before chains kicked in too. It was dope.
jagged pier
Nice
wise rivet
morning/afternoon guys
hows prot looking in 9.1 so far?
blazing condor
Looking like we look right now - very good 🙂
jagged pier
We are looking great
wise rivet
goodie then, thanks for the heads up
blazing condor
Hope we only get sludge bosses in SoD
Every ptr boss we’ve seen is just fake news we will all get new bosses
jaunty granite
my guild made me go prot b/c one of our tanks left for full time classic
i was fury and now im doing this
at least the APM is still nice and high with a bunch of stuff off of GCD
brittle owl
cool beans
wet compass
so anyone else thinking that venth leggo might be sleeper op for prot at least if running bolster
jaunty granite
im pretty much doing what jakey says from now on, that's pretty much the 9.1 prot meta right now. check back here for updates
jagged pier
so anyone else thinking that venth leggo might be sleeper op for prot at least i...
Doesnt work like that
jaunty granite
in all seriousness i dont see how door of shadows and condemn (rage cost for prot) are gonna be beneficial in any way
jagged pier
Condemn is great on ST
wet compass
if it extended bolster it would be god tier that's disappointing hopefully they change it
jagged pier
Doubtful they will
jaunty granite
so it looks like basically venthyr is gonna be the go to covenant for prot. 100% on board
jagged pier
No?
brittle owl
wet compass
It would only be go to if that worked. It will be interesting to see what happens that would be sick though
would also fix our rather low single target damage profile
jaunty granite
i just want more raid utility/damage/mitigation than all the other tanks
thin brook
how good will prot warrior be in 9.1 🙂 ?
jagged pier
Same as now
jaunty granite
like if blizz could just make prot warr the best tank and overall dps in the game that'd be sick
thin brook
is it learn to learn prot tank ?
wet compass
nobody is asking for that, why troll?
jaunty granite
im literally a prot warr and i want the biggest buffs possible idk what ur talking about trolling
like i want to go into raids feeling like twisting corridors floor 16
jagged pier
Why does it need to be the best
wet compass
If the venth leggo worked to extend bolster it would be interesting because you would be able to full on condemn instead of burning rage on shield block and would give a good niche for warrior tanks outside of bring shouts
jaunty granite
b/c its what i played
jagged pier
U should just play what u enjoy
jaunty granite
i need a raid spot fam
if my guild said right now roll a survival hunter id respec and go surv right this second
jagged pier
Each to their own i guess
jaunty granite
i just wanna kill bosses and see the entire raid on mythic
like ill roll a MW monk if they want idc
wet compass
Prot war is just fine the reason I like the idea of the condemn legendary working with bolster is it would be create a semi unique niche where warriors could blow rage on damage during execute even on fights like sire since you would have full uptime on shield block
jaunty granite
that'd obviously be dope as hell
u should start a thread on the PTR forums and we can organize a voting campaign on it
drown out everyone else
jagged pier
Prot war is just fine the reason I like the idea of the condemn legendary workin...
U already can do that
strong forum
It would be broken as hell
If the leggo worked with bolster/unnerving
100% uptime on Block+LS+46% increased rage gen
Infinite dmg, infinite rage, infinite tankiness
jaunty granite
we need that to tank, we should definitely ask
strong forum
All encapsulated into 1 interaction
strong forum
Eh, I'm just saying how it would be
jaunty granite
ur fuckin on to something
like that would be sick, think of how much fun it would be to kill bosses
jaunty granite
nah we would still have last stand, shield wall, spell reflect, rally, etc...
thats literally perfect class design what u just said
wet compass
meh as it is now it's a garbage legendary for prot was just hoping to have a reason to actually craft something new
jaunty granite
blizz is hiring devs nomer
wet compass
for fury isn't that leggo disgusting but then you have play venth
jaunty granite
not for fury, the venth leggo is dope as fuck
yeah
xath is right
petition to make Xath class writer
wet compass
what is your issue dude?
jagged pier
Yer this is the prot channel
jaunty granite
yeah in the fury chat we're discussing buffing WW from 45% to 145% - 1000%
to deal with the cumbersome aoe cap
wet compass
tbh I wouldn't be shocked to see people running the glory one in race but for your average guild yeah none of them are that exciting for prot
maybe the fae one could be interesting for m+ damage but not sure it beats the rev one
jaunty granite
i mean if ur cleaving condemns with the leggo ur basically having insane recklessness uptime while basically WW>condemn > rampage > ww > condemn > rampage
jagged pier
None of them beat rep defenaivly and mostly dont beat it offensivly ither depending on context
jaunty granite
its gonna be juicy as fuck
wet compass
yeah in the fury chat we're discussing buffing WW from 45% to 145% - 1000%
I read this as buffing windwalker and now am thinking of warriors dual wielding windwalkers
strong forum
There's a solid potential that top guilds will run a necro war with the leggo
Survival is absolutely 0 issue for those tanks there
strong forum
They're on another level
wet compass
I think prot war brew seems fairly likely combo unless ww do actually get buffs
wet compass
double prot seems like a good way for blizz to nerf us purely because of buffing other classes damage 😛
strong forum
That being said both echo and limit have insane warri players
So they're not hard locked on that choice
Revvez and atrox own
wet compass
Yeah but you can have more banners 😛
jagged pier
They would nerf the leggo not prot we have nothing to do with the buff
jaunty granite
they push their keys down further than we do
wet compass
first they nerf sunderer then they nerf ez
strong forum
That's too cumbersome
For prot it's the least terrible choice compared to a fury not being venthyr next patch
jagged pier
Well they might apprently revvez ran the complete 'wrong' set up for arms in ToS and was 1st on all fights but they dont public log
So we only have their word
strong forum
Well that's cuz it was hidden op
jagged pier
He might have found a new way like we thought boost might have at the start
jagged pier
jaunty granite
i mean if ur World first everyone is instantly rank 1 parse
jaunty granite
so that statement could be true, just how long is it true for
strong forum
Revvez on farm was literally over several thousand dps ahead of rank1 public log
jagged pier
^^
jaunty granite
across comparable kill times?
wet compass
the fuck? What was he doing different
strong forum
Doesn't matter
wet compass
Oh I thought he might have said after
jagged pier
But he had a way of playing arms no one else did
strong forum
He was ahead by a significant margin, now you could argue that kill times and playing towards his strength obv play a role
But vil and fallu know more about that than me
wet compass
I feel like it's likely that probably half the top raiders have some form of adhd so adderal would have the opposite effect but who knows
dry hazel
Hey guys, does anyone know how much haste is required to hit 12 (and 13) sec recharge on shield block
toxic gyro
🤯
strong forum
Ikr
blazing condor
sick sentinel
i think i'm too dumb to understand the numbers there
blazing condor
tldr; maf
strong forum
It's really simple
You want to reduce the CD by 4 seconds
So you have to find out, how many % of 16 those 4 seconds are
16s=100%
sick sentinel
oh so 25 = 25% haste
strong forum
fleet river
In before mandatory algebra test to post
sick sentinel
In before mandatory algebra test to post
that's required to play prot warrior
or feels like it some times
fleet river
You can math up any class you want it just isn't necessary for 98% of players
fleet river
Like what difference does it make if you shield block cd is 12 seconds or 12.3 seconds?
strong forum
It's neat and fun to know, but helpful, nah
sick sentinel
it was to complete the set
dry hazel
Shield block recharge time is displayed in integers, so I'm assuming decimals are not an option. So if you're at 24.9% haste you would just need 1 gem to hit the next break point. Personally I stop at 19% but for the sake of the example lets just say 25%.
sick sentinel
dps didn't do 3rd boss way i was imagining they would have, and i burned my leap and intervene, so i couldn't leap out from swirls, ran through, ran into someones swirl
tropic linden
Shield block recharge time is displayed in integers, so I'm assuming decimals ar...
There is decimals
sick sentinel
quick question about that, he has something i need to face him away from group? i think it's an 8 yard thing
fleet river
I wear whatever I get because loot gods fucking hate me
tropic linden
25% haste is just QOL
strong forum
I equip max haste and thats that
Cuz worrying about stats is useless for tanks in most cases
dry hazel
Well my logic was that it doesn't give u much if u can hit that 25% mark anyway as I thought the shield block recharge was only integers, but apparently it's continuous?
tropic linden
Well my logic was that it doesn't give u much if u can hit that 25% mark anyway ...
Yes, it is. There are decimals in all WOW skills
fleet river
My druid alt that I've run a single 15 per week since like week 5, and never raided on at all, is really only about 5% behind my warrior whom has run 4-10x 15s every week, full cleared heroic every week, and did 6/10m
strong forum
It's lower CD on SS, lower CD on TC, more AAs thus more devastator procs
There is no downside to continue stacking haste
Besides hitting the stat tax thresholds
dry hazel
The downside would be losing vers slots
strong forum
But only the 39% mark is relevant
fleet river
(unless at the expense of higher total stats)
sick sentinel
nomer is correct though, 24.97% haste and i'm at 13 seconds
fleet river
Is it actually 13 though or is that a rounded display number?
dry hazel
What's wrong with vers
north iris
wjats the addon for markers on top of your screen?
strong forum
Nothing wrong with it perse, but explicitly dropping haste at a threshold for the sake of more vers is just dumb
sick sentinel
vers is something that players see all the best of the world MDI players running giga versa, so then it trickles down that "versa = gud" across all tanks
strong forum
If you're not doing 23/24-27s ,then vers is literally irrelevant, and even on those levels its just QoL
sick sentinel
which isn't not true, but its over-represented
strong forum
Survival doesn't come from getting 30% vers
sick sentinel
comes from good descion making, which is why you all are KSM and and i am scrublordbadtank
strong forum
There's a reason why we say ilvl > haste >> vers
jagged pier
VERS
Yer but dropping ilvl and haste for vers is the right think no? Because it reduces all damage taken
strong forum
fleet river
chads stack avoidance
sick sentinel
wjats the addon for markers on top of your screen?
marking bar lives, primarily for world markers for me, but also for 1 click skull marking
fleet river
ah yes warriors and their renown lack of mobility
strong forum
You'd be surprised
sick sentinel
marking bar was the original but the OG developer died or quit or whatever so i asked if someone could remake it and here we are
strong forum
How people come in here and say that we lack mobility
fleet river
marking bar lives, primarily for world markers for me, but also for 1 click skul...
just keybind them 
strong forum
Every now and again
strong forum
People literally had the aneurisms saying that leaper could be good
Because of kiting
jagged pier
Yer they did
There was that forum post
From a guy sqear that leapers and WW got him KSM
fleet river
i considered it and tried it very early on because thunderlord felt so lackluster but it didn't last long
sick sentinel
because that's what DH has to do, DH also provides a magic buff, which is why we saw alot of mages, and i'm assuming resto shamans, (assuming they do loads of off dps as magic)
strong forum
And vdh has to kite by nature
Cuz their mitigation is weak outside of meta
But hey
sick sentinel
whatever happened to your bear
i saw you were getting excited about playing bear in 9.0.5 or so
jagged pier
i considered it and tried it very early on because thunderlord felt so lackluste...
TLs was only lack luster if u played it in beta or legion where it wasnt capped that was fun times
jagged pier
Im basically playing tbc at this point
sick sentinel
i'm like fat asmongold, so i'll probably never quit
jagged pier
Yeryer i was changing it
sick sentinel
parents literal gave me warcraft 3 + expansions box 1 birthday, and i had the collector sc book at one point, gone now
so it's going to be hard to walk away
jagged pier
The thing ppl think you should be playing wow because of sub or somthing nothings going on right now perfectly fine to take a break for a while
sick sentinel
i didn't start in beta, but idefinitely started wow within the very first couple of patches of wow. before they had a key ring
jagged pier
I lost out on the wow statue thing by a few months
sick sentinel
i actually unironically got the full deadmines experience as it was intended by the developers around the time that it would have been hot content
take my paladin through for epic quest with some other paladin guy i just meet the other day
so, i have extremely fond memories of that, so much that i can't really bring my self to play classic
sick sentinel
you don't actually want to go back, remember that one bug that pissed you off?
remember going back to city to have to spam trade chat "need a tank! need a tank!" ?
you think you do but you don't he sure was right
mellow bridge
quick question about that, he has something i need to face him away from group?...
he has a stomp that hits everyone in front of him
you should generally always be facing every single enemy away from your group tho
so your melees dont get cucked by parries/dodges
sick sentinel
ahh, so that was what "the wrong" (rogue, we were both wrong idiots) was saying, he had a funny way of explaining it though didn't make alot of sense
blazing condor
You can force him to stomp by standing under him as well
Something that pushes his energy down faster
But its a bit inconsistant i think.
mellow bridge
yeah he stomps if you walk into him
it being worth or not depends on your groups cds
not really something to worry too much about with pugs tho
opaque quest
Wall or Thunderlord bois? Reprisal isnt an option because its not up and i dont wanna wait 10 years
99% M+ 1% Raid
jagged pier
I mean u can just go get it in twisting corridors
opaque quest
Waaait a second
OH FUCK YOURE RIGHT
To bad i dont have the unlocked cause i just dinged 60
jagged pier
This your first char?
jagged pier
So youve done it on other chars
opaque quest
Are they acc wide?
opaque quest
Wait a sec im in torghast anyways lemme check
Fuck me dude youre my hero
What lvl do i need to do? 3?
jagged pier
Just needs to be layer 3 which is piss easy
Even at just dinged id say should be easy reroll till u get upper reaches
opaque quest
Dope. Youre a life saver
jagged pier
Np
sick sentinel
i did TC 1 and we ended with 1 life remaining on final boss
i will never go back again, or at least until i have 90%bis/ilvl gear of that patch
mellow bridge
jagged pier
Sounds like you might have been doing something fundementally wrong if u couldnt do layer 1, like its really not that hard and works in our favour alot like we get really really good powers
I.e infite sheild wall and inifite rage to execute everything with as u can execute at any %
Layer 7 and 8 sure u could die early on and were a bit harder
opaque quest
Im gonna do TC3 1-3 then leave and do 1-3 again
Should drop the legy if im not mistaken
TC1 has 170 recommended ilvl btw. How did you almost die
With 174 and in TC3 i can oneshot enemies with shield slam^^
sick sentinel
Sounds like you might have been doing something fundementally wrong if u couldnt...
i went with a group
and i don't recall anything else about the run besides 1 life
jagged pier
Im gonna do TC3 1-3 then leave and do 1-3 again
I think u need to do the 6 floors
I dunno fully
opaque quest
Saw a vid, he said leave after 3
jagged pier
Fair enough
opaque quest
No clue. Guess ill report back if i fuck up
modern brook
leaving after 3 resets the seed
leaving 1-2 keeps the seed
so if you're trying to fish for a floor
you need to change the seed
modern brook
Im gonna do TC3 1-3 then leave and do 1-3 again
I'm sure you know this but just to clarify to any lurkers; once you get to the floor you want, you have to finish that wing of the Twisting corridors (ie: kill the floor 6 boss)
sick sentinel
i drew a picture of how i've been attempting to run 3rd boss spires, more or less like that
jagged pier
No first 2 togther
Then u move a little bit round the edge of the circle
And do 2 next to each other
And so on till.boss is dead
Never go through the middle
jagged pier
Think of a cross 2 orbs on eacher point
Thats how i do it anyway
Oh wait third boss
My b
Was thinking second
sick sentinel
i'm a bit confused by how you explained it just now, as well as the explanation the rogue give me
jagged pier
Just stack em behind the third boss
U can go anyway u want
Just make sure evry stacks for the stuff
And u move the boss out of it
sick sentinel
should i have the dps all get in position early i guess then? it seems like a tricky boss if people aren't co-ordinated
jagged pier
U cant always have that happen
As the blast makes them spread
But they should have time to run back
Just say drop behind the boss
U can get there too
sick sentinel
i think i have a plan 1 sec
sick sentinel
new plan next time i go, i stand in front of boss, i move to my left, dps moves to their right after stack
then i don't have to run through
jagged pier
U can just stack with the dps and run forward
Like u have so much time to drop thst orb
modern brook
Just convene on the meleedps
who should naturally be behind the boss to avoid the frontal cleave
then pull the boss forward and repeat
jagged pier
Convene
modern brook
sorry just got off my warlock
sick sentinel
1st try i didn't have leap and intervene so i started to run through didnt see it, second one i was running through and i saw it
modern brook
Int spec stuff
sick sentinel
is okay, i'll stop crying about it now lol
jagged pier
Theres many ways to do it but the best is to drop yours where everyone else is dropping theirs for ez soaks
And u have time from the mechanic to move to the rest drop and run out of the circlebefore the pools become active
They dont have to be perfectly stacked but u cam get it close
sick sentinel
mmm also don't forget to factor in that i was only doing non skip routes that would spawn pride at 3rd, which was also probably a huge helper
until the last 2 or 3 runs of spires
pride is move speed buff
i know why i fucked up now, must've been relying on pride to get out of it
modern brook
@sick sentinel you might find it helpful to watch videos of a prot warrior running through a 15
most youtubers arent doing the wacky garbage to time 20+s at that level
and you can get a better idea of what the general dance of the boss fight should looklike from that perspective
might be a bit more instructive than theoretical MS paint drawings, at least :^)
sick sentinel
well, if i don't know TF is going on, i get anxiety and panic
always try to plan out based on screw ups i've experienced
jagged pier
Thats a good intention, but you cant plan for everhthing in the pug world
modern brook
https://youtu.be/0FnAvCXVGPI?t=1140 plugging @shut summit
jagged pier
And the mark of a grest tank is beig able to adapt and play around things happening
modern brook
yeah there def hits a point where its like
not your fault
and you can sure try and play for 5 people
but its frankly not worth the hair loss
sick sentinel
we were at 23-24 minutes on a 14 when we wiped on the 3rd
bunch of shit between first and second trash, but thats normal
modern brook
SOA is my least favorite dungeon by far
sick sentinel
it's both my favorite and least favorite dungeon
sick sentinel
i think it feels like a real dungeon
sick sentinel
everyone makes out giants and leaders to be the big bad boogey men of spirs
modern brook
its defintely one of if not the single biggest offender of "your decisions dont matter if you dps cant CC"
sick sentinel
but they ain't shit, it's those god damn birds with the magic debuff, shit hurts
modern brook
birds arent that bad you generally pull them seperately or w/ a spear
sick sentinel
also, grevious ticks while in taxi, and you can't cast shit or use potion or fuck all
so if u go into taxi with 30% and grevious, u will probably die
same with pride, wasting minimum 10 seconds, even if u ride and pull immediately
tropic linden
SOA is my least favorite dungeon by far
How is that worst than PF?
sick sentinel
How is that worst than PF?
we are brothers now
plaguefall is the worst dungeon of all time
period
rancid ember
Spires EZ. PF Super EZ whattt
sick sentinel
it looks bad, the loot is bad, it's long with tons of trash and shit bosses
i hate that place
rancid ember
PF I feel like is the best dungeon to play as a tank tbh. I love playing some bomberman wow
sick sentinel
i hated bomberman
tropic linden
And the pug experience is much worse with the plagueborers, canisters, first boss