ye probably
#protection
sweet summit
blazing condor
Thank Jah i got my 226 alar before we stopped raiding
The new cheat is uber ass
Its a soulstone that takes up a trinket-slot
sweet summit
ya
blazing condor
Even worse cus a soulstone at least gets you back to 60% hp on use
When i tried the cheat i got back to the 8k hp i had when it procced
blazing condor
This gives me BFA flash-backs where you’d run Ashvane’s or Azshara’s the rest of the xpac
Then again those could titanforge/socket
quick epoch
Blood scale will at least be scaled up, just need to farm it again in 9.1
sweet summit
quick epoch
At least DOS has become somewhat easy from familiarity :P
sweet summit
near pewter
Any recommendations for prot warrior Horde race? or does it matter much?
amber herald
tauren cos big
inland raft
Vulpera cuz furry fox 🦊
blazing condor
what u like the most > vulpera >
sleek echo
Vulpera nose for trouble is no cap really good haha
blazing condor
its great for healing for sure
young oasis
Orc and farm Tusks of Mannoroth like a true orc god. No contest
sweet summit
very basic 😔
young oasis
They kept this?
What about Decanter of Endless Howling and Old Warrior's Soul combo?
I'm gonna run those 2 and see what will happen.
wanton panther
Ill try that later and post my thoughts!!
sweet summit
What about Decanter of Endless Howling and Old Warrior's Soul combo?
if they fix it it might be good
but rn its 1 min icd per player
so i can kill u
:)
sick sentinel
oh yeah, as an update, i bought and installed a 4tb hdd the other day
just been letting everything on wow record i think
so, is possible i can trim stuff down and post it to YT if you guys wish
fringe oyster
sweet summit
no
ruby steppe
Hey guys! Got KSM on 4 other tanks, now I started a prot warri. I recognized, that the dmg is insane if i spend my rage mostly for revenge instead of ignore pain, even comparable with pally tank! Now my question: How far can I get with this? When do I really spent my rage for IP in the first place and use revenge only if it procs? Bc dmg is way worse then...
Of course I keep up shield block anyways with reprisal lego and rage...
sweet summit
you can comfortably keep doing that through your journey to KSM
obviously some packs/bosses (on certain) affixes really hurt so you might have to spend some rage on IP, but youll figure that out
also, spell reflect is big, you want to check the SR sheet in the pins if you havent already
ruby steppe
yeah, tyvm, I already checked that out, trying to get used to SR atm ^^
But towards +20s there come the point where I have to spam IP and only use revenge procs?
sweet summit
some point past +20 i believe
i havent done a key in a while so im not sure where "the threshold" is atm
ignore pain isnt very strong, youd be better off using cooldowns effectively and/or kiting when it comes to that
blazing condor
Ive noticed that 20/21s its really nice to have IP up and rolling
But its not necessary by any means
Just personal preference for me + making healers life a bit easier etc
ruby steppe
nice, ty guys 🙂
safe thistle
gratz your progressing
hollow sun
keep your key for the guild 😄
we managed to get our hands on a spires 17 when we were all like item level 200
and this is the result
😅
thorn ether
@jagged pier @strong forum https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4K3TM6DjCdgytHhJ#fight=3&type=summary&source=5
strong forum
block uptime looks good, but CPM of SS are somewhat low, you almost used TC as much as SS
and thats a big 🤔
looks aight besides DMG could maybe be more and a bit less IP use, but thats feelycraft
jagged pier
☝️
hollow sun
do you ever attempt to leap out during pride to get a charge in? every time i do this i can see everyone panicking
chilly brook
do you ever attempt to leap out during pride to get a charge in? every time i d...
Doesn't ever really feel necessary, but you definitely can
I usually move the pride anyways while it's up tbh
Minimize loss of the buff and such
hollow sun
well yes, but you lose charge charges, which is annoying
and why do you move prides? as healer i hate it when people do it, i literally lose my efflorescence talent from it and people are always spread which makes it harder to heal
chilly brook
and why do you move prides? as healer i hate it when people do it, i literally l...
To get closer to the next pull?
Minimize the loss of the buff from travel
final thistle
There are a few prides I don’t mind being kited along, but that’s coming from a DPS point of view.
I can understand healers or caster DPS not liking it, though.
hollow sun
i guess those are different viewpoints and skill levels, but seeing multiple people get hit by the beams while the tank is moving the pride outside of my efflorescence, all this while in grievous really doesn't click with me
chilly brook
I usually only move while the orbs aren't going out
Although realistically you should be able to move with them being out
But people tunnel
hollow sun
btw, in tirna, when you fight the two drust behemots, do you go to get the istant heal from the mushroom in the area behind? someone hinted this strategy to me but it feels like a huge minmax
strong forum
they do it cuz they sometimes combine those 2 pulls into 1, first they slap the big bois a bit low, then pull the rest in, snack the 1 shroom for the heal, then later pick the good shroom
is a tiny min max, idk if worth it or not
strong forum
ye
hollow sun
pulling those two with the trashpack below looks very dangerous
strong forum
depends on CDs
edgy belfry
you dont have any
strong forum
why shouldnt you
edgy belfry
coz you just had a huge first pull (small ones with tree)
strong forum
that pull is like 1.5min - 2min in, mage will 100% have combust ready, some defensives
only 3min+ shouldnt be available
hollow sun
i guess you just let your cds recover when you are fighting the two behemots
strong forum
im not saying its a go-to strat
but people have done it, i cant say how good or bad it is
can interrupt the casters, can reflect the split souls
rest should be fine?
hollow sun
well yeah but you can't reflect every soulsplit, and the behemots melee decently hard. Its not really necessary to time 18s though
safe thistle
mist timing is enought leniant that you can play it safe true
but its always good to know of other way to do stuff
sick sentinel
i find mists timer too punishing for mistakes
safe thistle
mist and spire are the 2 easiest for timer.
sick sentinel
yeah, but spires is spire
safe thistle
you could get 2-3 wipe and still time a spire
sick sentinel
spires has tons of interupts
see, and i do spires with pride at first, 3rd and final, no skips and they bitch about my route is bad
sick sentinel
depends how coordinated your group is about where to stack uh, water balls, or whatever they are
safe thistle
well they should stack behind the boss and go out when they have the aoe
sick sentinel
yeah, if everyone literal does a perfect stack, 3rd can be a total joke
safe thistle
your the tank your the lead you tell them what to do 😛
just write it down to stack behind boss
sick sentinel
okay, i tell the paladin to do more dps than me then
because someone say so about him lol
safe thistle
in spire warrior can do a lot of dmg, a lot of big pull
if you have a moonboy with you, you can revengeeeeeee
sick sentinel
how does moon boy provide revenges
inland raft
Until those moon boys watch you set up the bird pack reflect and make you cry with a beam
sick sentinel
i have a weak aura that does "/y Reflecting!" each time i succesfully hit SR
and the buff starts
sick sentinel
meh, its fine, i don't even reflect the shit properly anyways
more like a -20% magic thing for me
inland raft
Theres times for both, your on the right path to remember it does mitigation too; many warriors forget that part and only look to reflect
topaz dragon
regal lark
Setting up my keybinds for prot. What are the 4 most frequently pressed abilities in mythic plus?
copper lion
how should you pull the pack of stealthclaws after first boss in spires? they hurt so much
fleet river
how should you pull the pack of stealthclaws after first boss in spires? they hu...
I like to toss ravager to the right group and leap into the left, heroic throw the humanoid by the transport angel
Obviously you need a lot of cooldowns but my route does two packs to the other side between the first boss and the stealthclaws
So you should have almost everything up
sick sentinel
i think grevious week exposes bad healers
Bad --healers-- players, if you never get hit by random cleaves and spell interrupts are going out you don't dip below 90% and start panicking, leading to getting hit more
warm remnant
The whole group is responsible for overall survival. Simple as that.
sick sentinel
Feels like they get hit with 2 abilities on grievous and 3 secs later struggling for life
That's what I mean too, is it's all a speed run, what we do in keys is no different than the people who speed run Mario but in a much more complex way
A million tricks to learn just to shave an extra half second here or there, just like m+
copper lion
@fleet river ravager? isnt into the fray the best option?
fleet river
It's a toss-up in m+ I prefer the extra rage cooldown over the passive increase
Also it affords you things like that pull I described
Just another tool in the bag
grim nymph
Does deep wounds chainpull the boss in the SD gauntlet?
inland raft
The boss can bug and chain but im not sure what causes it and its rare
grim nymph
Had it happen twice in a row now
inland raft
Shouldnt be deep wounds
Debuffs get cleared
Gut feeling is maybe a projectile with travel time that she outruns like druid or something
Only have had it happen maybe 3-4 times so pretty rare so bad luck for it twice in a row
raven ore
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true pawnBOT
Done.
raven ore
Ty @strong forum
hollow sun
Can you still block/ dodge while in soul shape?
cyan summit
Not sure, but I can't think of a scenario where you'd be facing a pack while soulshaped
hollow sun
It's more about kiting and maybe having a mob that is able to hit you, cause you can still use flicker if you don't cast anything
sweet summit
If youre in game just try it real quick
sweet summit
hollow sun
i'm still in bed, its my only free day
wraith surge
what da dog doin
blazing condor
epic
tame jasper
dog with da mint
Use: Fills your mouth with mint. Increasing Haste by 657 for 20sec?
should be enough to jump out of bed?
sweet summit
should be enough
somber sky
Is necrolord rather favorable in m+ next tier with the new leggo? Heard you could get crazy uptimes on the banner and conduit buffs on yourself.
sweet summit
no
somber sky
yeah I corrected that in the edit.
sweet summit
psure nf/kyrian are better for dps with their respective covenant legendary
somber sky
I mean wouldn't it give prot the added str bonus for a long while and thus helping it line up with other tanks in damage?
sweet summit
youre also playing without reprisal
somber sky
fair point
blazing condor
What setting do you tweak for the ground effects? Like the spears in SOA?
Ground clutter or environmental detail?
(or something else)
hollow sun
ground clutter i think
(at least it impacts the grass, so i think its him)
but why do you need it for spires?
sweet summit
Isnt that projected textures
inland raft
Projected textures and i believe particle density are the two important ones
Projected to actually even see ground effects at all and particle effects to make projectiles and auch more discernible
hollow sun
ah yes
mhhh
projected textures might be, cause that was what made me wipe several 5 masks visions of stormwind (at sylvanas you don't see the swirlies without it enabled)
strong forum
projected textures shouldnt even have an option to be turned off
if you turn that off youre legit dumb
love not seeing mechanics for no reason at all
hollow sun
if you have a crap pc and don't know how important it is you can definetly turn it off without being dumb
strong forum
thats why it shouldnt be an option
inland raft
Even if all you do is world questing it is dumb to have off, not being able to see abilities is pretty bad design
strong forum
it just shouldnt be an option
inland raft
So ya shouldnt be an option
visual thorn
Hey ma dudes,whats the deal with kyrian prot,reading alot of stuff for necro prot with the banner thing,what is more realistic for tanking?
strong forum
kyrian is much more versatile and easier to play properly than necrolord
visual thorn
wowhead says its liek bis for raid tanking and m+
had to ask
thx alot for the input
strong forum
there are very few differences for tanks in terms of covenant choice
since 98% of your job is to stay alive and hold aggro
visual thorn
ye in terms of actual survivability vs the kyrian dps
what do we as prot wars prefer
strong forum
kyrian, but NF is also very good
somber sky
bruh you'll probably change your mind after seeing 30k crits on 5 targets
or potentially 100k+ crits on first boss mists :v
visual thorn
idk i might do but there is srs cringyness
i cant take it
like all fae should choke to death with ferries
lul joking
visual thorn
😛
somber sky
I guess kyrian is also pretty pog with better snap threat on 5+ targets? gives you another high damaging threat-gen every minute.
visual thorn
kyrian profile from some reading made is very steady with the smol ravager-spear cds
like pull after pull chaining stuff
inland raft
Nf snap threat is great with first strike wild hunt tactics, even without using cds, charge tclap revenge and even a mage combusting without images rarely will take a mob
visual thorn
trying to find a fire mage this time around though..
but ye will consider and test everyhting
thx for the info appreciate much
inland raft
Point wad very very good snap threat
visual thorn
btw there will always be a rogue around to tircks his killing spree/BR anyway,or a hunt to MD but ye
the highest threat selfmade the better i guess
inland raft
I like both kyrian and nf but my personal opinion is nf wins if run with a kyrian regularly however they are rare so i recommend kyrian
Aa goes brr and 12 second lockdown on caster packs is comfort
visual thorn
ye thats what im kinda processing rn,kyrian vs fae comparison
inland raft
But kyrian is rare so generally the play
If you dont have a regular kyrian in your group its not even a debate
Cov diversity is king
visual thorn
ye exactly
if something doesnt shift in 9.1 like playing arcane kyrian mage on the group
then its a done deal,else i might have to go with necro-fae
inland raft
Necro is yikes
inland raft
It looks good but its complete ass to actually play with
It doesn’t naturally line up with a lot of cds and you want to pair it with 2 dps cds so you end up holding it sometimes for too long and then every so often you accidentally buff the healer or whatever
Just doesnt feel good
visual thorn
ye its randomness which i dont rly like
inland raft
Not random its closest to you but its just annoying to work around
So mistakes happen
visual thorn
oh pardon me ye its rangechecked
anyway,gonna bounce,appreciate for eveyrthing
have a nice day
inland raft
Id rather be in charge of my own cds is all
visual thorn
ye 100%
safe thistle
i played necro its true if you know your other player and aint pugging its good for burst dmg on demand but you the tank gonna suck at snap aggro and dps the whole run and fell like shit
i didnt try fae cause we already have 2 fae in my group
sweet summit
sick sentinel
What mobs would require storm bolt in theatre of pain
i have to run +14 top in my bags, so i am double checking what to bring
hollow sun
the ones that cast devour flesh
the butchers
in the gorechop wing
and its always nice for the wizard wing
even though the only cast you can really stop with the bolt is the necrotic volley
the bone spear will just be recasted later
sick sentinel
glyph or something "whenever your stormbolt stun effect ends, the target is silenced for 2 seconds"
wild sandal
Dose the Chop abilty from the big guy in TOP, hits random players or closest melee?
blazing condor
All fun and games until the mobs shadowmeld
limpid pawn
hey, i see on subcreation that anger management is the preferred build for mythic council
isn't that a bit dangerous
gonna get them cheeks clapped by nicolas?
strong forum
Anger management talent is the preferred build for every boss
Besides maybe dena
You should also play reprisal
strong forum
Reprisal+AM for all bosses, yes
Wall + AM is ~1min CD on SW
Reprisal + AM is ~1.5min CD on SW but you have massively higher uptime on SB and more damage output
strong forum
You just do.
You have more than enough opportunities to charge on bosses
Either adds to charge, or the boss is stationary for certain abilities
Or the boss itself knocks you back
Or the boss moves slow
Council, sludge and slg are the perfect fights for reprisal
Literal perfect timings for charges
Or you charge before a tank swap
There are alot of situations to charge, don't overthink it
safe thistle
stavros is like the best expemple for repirsal to shine
for nik just wait for him to call attendant and you can back off and charge- or charge another of the other 2.
council is a fight you can easily get high block uptime.
lean summit
Hi I'm new! I didnt see this in anything pinned, so I thought I'd ask. Is it worth it to take the rumbling earth talent (shockwave cdr) in a full PUG group? I think st stun is too hard to use well with pugs, but I could see double time working well for messy pulls. I just want to handle player error as much as possible.
fleet river
Most folks here will tell you to run double time and reprisal for maximum block uptime
sick sentinel
i wonder if its hard to get a group for a 14 for just complete
i don't think im going to time 14 top
fleet river
I like storm bolt in pugs because I don't trust anyone
sick sentinel
i don't like bolt because 338 dmg
fleet river
But I also haven't pugged on my warriors in months
sick sentinel
bolt adds extra threat, or silence after stun, then we talk
my axe does 158 dmg all on its own before any modifier, total useless on boss
fleet river
I mean a 4s 20 yard range stun is pretty good
It really depends on the content you are doing
sick sentinel
keys
fleet river
maximizing your sb uptime in 15s isn't nearly as important as 20s
And in pugs you can't trust interrupts
kindred pine
So I'm looking at tanking, but want to have some good offspec damage. I know Kyrian is good to tank with, but is it worth leaving Venthyr for?
sick sentinel
i have cow and engineer which helps
i can do ghost busters trap on big slime 1st boss pf , i should be placing it whenever pull starts to go to shit, put something out of combat for 60 second while we kill pride perhaps, my fear is i don't know how to remove the debuff, and so maybe i trap something and it ruins key cuz we stuck there like idiots for 1 whole minute while debuf ticks
fleet river
So I'm looking at tanking, but want to have some good offspec damage. I know Kyr...
Kyrian and NF are the two "great for both" covenants. Kyrian gets extra points for being uncommon between dps and healers, having an active defensive for a covenant ability (phial) and overall a great covenant quality of life zone
sturdy sable
So I'm looking at tanking, but want to have some good offspec damage. I know Kyr...
If your doing both id say night fae is the better pick between kyrian and NF
near pewter
Isnt the new kyrian leggo really good for arms? Wouldnt it depend if he plays ARM or fury for offspec moving forward?
safe thistle
its very bursty seems like a pvp leggo
near pewter
I was watching Naowh stream some M+ and the arms warrior was pumping ont he PTR in keys
probabluy not as good for raid though
sturdy sable
Nf is still more dam then kyrian for arms
Even with the leggos
Its pined in the arms channel
near pewter
Cool, i did not know that
safe thistle
its gimmick cause you see big number on the spot.
inland raft
Its pretty close in m+ overall
But nf is clear winner for arms in raid if your a masochist who plays arms over fury (like i am)
median tulip
Fuck me I hate Pugs
"OMG you're a bad tank I g0ot killed by Dessia why weren't you taunting her"
Bitch she fixates and YOU ARE A HUNTER why didn't you soothe?
</rant>
sick sentinel
nothing you can do about stupid players except try to position better
median tulip
I should have known it would be bad when 2 of the DPS were from Kazzak
sick sentinel
it's not really something i can easily quantify, but in the right group, everything will just feel like it's dying as it should at a fast rate and people won't be dipping hp, or dying to random crap
you can try to slow down if group is shit, but you risk not timing key, or just a +1
like, a good example i think is the pack before 2nd boss spires, a group should be able to do very heavy damage to that group while the spear is off and stunning them,
analog swift
depends how you're getting there
limpid pawn
what do you mean
analog swift
you say 15%
is everyone dying at 15%
or are people trickling off dying/are you limping to 15%
limpid pawn
yeah people are trickling off/dying and 15% is what sire's health is at after everyone dies
analog swift
yeah it depends when people are dying/what they're dying too
if 5 people are dying in p1
then idk how many pulls
if 5 people are dying to a certain ravage then it might change with a simple strat change
atomic night
As a relatively fresh character (ilvl194), what slot should I craft Reprisal? I guessing legs as they have a higher stat budget.
inland raft
Legs are a safe bet
The argument for feet this tier was if got slg legs, but sanctum i beliebe there are feet but not legs from last bosses making legs the play anyways
Super min max regardless
atomic night
Thanks for the advice! Just changing mains to warrior with 9.1, i figured i better get some M+ tanking experience.
sturdy sable
yeah people are trickling off/dying and 15% is what sire's health is at after ev...
Could be 5 could be 500
sick sentinel
lets gooooo
dusky canopy
DoS round 23 here gooo... fml still no scale drop
iron drift
Primary stats or eternal skirmish? Also Celestial/Sinful or lightless?
sturdy sable
DoS round 23 here gooo... fml still no scale drop
Took me 50+ runs to get mine.
dusky canopy
earnest frost
gentlemen, are most ppl using seismic reverb for m+ nowdays? or depends on dungeon still (not pushing high, just generic +15-17 runs)
jagged pier
You can play seismic if u feel safe or its mists
jagged pier
Primary stats or eternal skirmish? Also Celestial/Sinful or lightless?
Stats and celestial or lightless (doesnt really natter)
iron drift
if im just looking for more dmg, as a raid tank still same?
jagged pier
Go check logs, but i believe most are just running celestial
strong forum
The difference is tiny between enchants
Sinful is theoretically the best for ST but again, it's 6% more dmg done to the afflicted target vs 5% mainstat buff, they both have roughly the same uptime
north iris
Is there a wa to track Condem shield I could use? 4-5k shield seems legit
Is it worth tracking
strong forum
It's not a shield on you
Its a debuff on the target itself
And no it's not worth tracking tbh
Unless there's the Super specific event of a tankbuster attack and you could stack your condemn on the target for multiple hits
To then determine if you would need an additional defensive or not
north iris
Yes
blazing cradle
hi i'm levelling a prot warrior as an alt for next patch, is kyrian going to be a good choice?
sweet summit
ya
blazing condor
Havent really read up on stuff but will pelagos stil be best soulbind?
sweet summit
^
sweet summit
optimistic i see
amber herald
play ff14 instead
carmine prawn
i am thinking of going back, but... something is just stopping me
fleet river
Weeb levels are off the charts
crystal nexus
Is there a bug with "into the fray"? for some reason im getting 12% haste instead of 10%
strong forum
No that's correct
All %increases on haste, are multiplicative
When you have 0% haste, you technically have 100% total haste
Which is also the reason why you can get negative haste from debuffs
So if you have 30% haste on sheet, you actually have 130% haste, then increase that by 10% from itf, and you'll end up at 43% instead of 40%
crystal nexus
That makes sense in a complete bonker way. The tooltip says 10%, well i will not complain about free stuff but i was just confused why it was 12. Thx for the info 🙂
distant crystal
oh man
i love seeing people describe haste stacking properly
it's so rare
the more haste rating you have the better haste effects get, buuuut sometimes other stats get better at a bigger rate so haste still declines in relative value
unique dragon
More haste more fast, more hit
gaunt dawn
if you have 2 apples
and nome asks for 1 apple
you have 0 apples cos he took both
😦
@strong forum confirm?
unique dragon
That’s cause they got a lot of haste
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> confirm?
Huh ha, what
I like apples and I don't share alot, I guess?
gaunt dawn
confirmed, thanks.
strong forum
Glad I could help
brittle owl
you have 0 apples cos he took both
you actually have 4 pallets of apples because you follow that thieving prick home and shank him in his sleep, take the keys to his apple stash and yoink everything he stole
unique dragon
What are you, a rogue?
prime idol
hi need help for covenant choosing 😦
tame jasper
hi need help for covenant choosing 😦
Take what you want to play and have fun with 🙂 (I personal play the defensive Kyrian, many play the more offensive Nightfae)
fleet river
Night fae if you want to maximize stuff. Kyrian if your group needs a kyrian and also it is just barely below nf
Also kyrian if you care enough about pvp
Kyrian owns btw. Transport network owns. Anima conductor wq is a 10 second affair, can mount in the sanctum, no travel time at all to the two dungeons
brittle owl
pine cypress
While casting Door of Shadows, I assume it is a safe bet to say you cannot Dodge/Block/Parry, right?
chilly brook
While casting Door of Shadows, I assume it is a safe bet to say you cannot Dodge...
Probably unless it got the fleshcraft treatment
pine cypress
Makes it significantly less practical to use, why does it even have a cast time?
brittle owl
it's not even that hard to use 🤷
chilly brook
Yea it's not difficult at all
valid glacier
I might just level another covenant to 40. So far I have nightfae and venthyr
Have plenty of time till 9.1 before I would need to commit again
I feel like you can’t go wrong at this point in the tier
sturdy sable
Could have plenty of time
Could have less than 2 full resets
Who knows in these trying times
strong forum
👃
blazing condor
nose for trouble
strong forum
chilly brook
Furry boi
daring bay
Night fae if you want to maximize stuff. Kyrian if your group needs a kyrian and...
When you say stuff, does that include defensiveness?
fleet river
that depends on what you are defending against
group of casters? fae will be superior
need to take off basically any non-raid debuff? kyrian wins
kyrian spear is also better for kiting, and is a bigger burst of rage should you need that
and you don't lose value if the mobs move/are pushed out of your spear, compared to AA
jagged pier
https://i.imgur.com/hDuXrEL.png
modern brook
https://i.imgur.com/hDuXrEL.png
dont you have a 3070?
strong forum
no?
i ordered a 3080 back in september and never got it
now im fed up and cancelled that order and ordered the 3080TI
lets see if this one arrives
distant crystal
damn Nom flexin' on us
hopefully the gpu market gets sane before i need to replace my 1080ti 🤞
muted arch
do you guys shattering throw sunking
distant crystal
should precast it for the shield ye
i think you can only get 1 shield per phase right
muted arch
yeah, its weird tho cuz looking at a lot of logs most prots dont do it
which doesnt make sense to me cuz it hits like 15k lol
modern brook
hopefully the gpu market gets sane before i need to replace my 1080ti 🤞
you got a lot of time tbh
modern brook
yeah, its weird tho cuz looking at a lot of logs most prots dont do it
Because most logs arent progging on Sunking anymore
precasting shattering throw is great fro breaking a shield in each phase
but you have to pay attention to your timers to do it
after a while you group is just better at the fight and they dont need you to break it anymore
Or they're doing stupid rank 1 things to get high damage on a fight that doesnt count
muted arch
oh rofl
i mean even if u dont precast it's still a better global than anything else
unless im mistaken
modern brook
most top logs (at least for damage) on that fight are intentionally doing it wrong
Leaving adds up to cleave during shade fights
in those cases i imagine revenge does more over a shattering throw in just raw damage dealt
from a progression standpoint, its hard to beat shattering throws damage into a shield
strong forum
yeah, its weird tho cuz looking at a lot of logs most prots dont do it
you get top logs by having adds up, not by damaging the shield efficiently
muted arch
ah i didnt know people were cheesing that
strong forum
kek
muted arch
so what, they hold all damage until phase? lol
strong forum
you dont hold damage
others do
by having your dps not kill adds instantly you get to do more dmg yourself
ergo better logs
basically, the less adds the raid kills, the more you get to pad on them to look better
which is precisely why the boss is irrelevant to log on, cuz the wronger you play the boss, the better your log will be
and why its been removed from allstar rating
tepid hearth
Hey guys, just wondering is there any place to find the best talents for progging sire on mythic?
tepid hearth
so fray and anger management?
strong forum
Bolster if youre not as confident / good with playing reprisal
tepid hearth
would bounding stride be better on this fight or is crackling thunder still better
strong forum
crackling is only good on sunking and SLG
for picking up adds earlier
id only really play crackling on sunking tbh
outside of that always bounding
tepid hearth
thanks for the help
jagged pier
~1 min
ionic fern
If you're running THe Wall and ANger Management then yes - tho in practice it's more like 1.5 due to packs/downtime etc.
sick sentinel
damn, i ran a 14 top, timed it, only died to final boss at 10% because nothing left, and thought i recorded it
turns out no
today is shitty day overall
muted arch
sorry not with the wall leggo im dumb
i mean without wall lego, whats CD on shield wall with AM
flat plank
\
strong forum
i mean without wall lego, whats CD on shield wall with AM
1.5-2min
Basically Wall OR AM reduce the CD to 1.5-2min.
If you combine Wall AND AM, it reduces the CD to 1-1.5min.
plush tendon
Basically Wall **OR** AM reduce the CD to 1.5-2min.
If you combine Wall **AND** ...
Im confused by this math; are their diminishing returns to CD reduction on Shield Wall assuming the CD is 3.5min with the conduit
strong forum
?
No
Just less time to reduce the CD
The CD gets reduced through playing, if you only have 60 seconds, there's only so much rage and SS you can use
plush tendon
By having just one, you get at least 1.5 min of reduction, where if you have both, it can only up to 2.5min
strong forum
Yes
Pretty simple
You can only use so many spells in a short window until the CD is ready again
Ykno
It's not linear CDR
strong forum
If you could use 30 shield slams back to back and spam IP
Then sure, the CD would be incredibly short
blazing condor
9.1 - shield slam no longer has a cooldown
plush tendon
What im thinking, its that if you run The Wall, probably better to not run AM and Vice Versa
plush tendon
Is that wrong to think like that?
strong forum
By adding both, you don't get 100%, but 75%
strong forum
What im thinking, its that if you run The Wall, probably better to not run AM an...
Well there are 2 ways to go about it
Or well, only 1 way
Do you need the additional block uptime or not?
Cuz it's either, play AM, or play a block talent, if you don't need additional block uptime (like in raid) you play AM because it's a bigger dps increase
Which is true for both the wall and reprisal
limpid pawn
when running the wall and bolster, you can not get indefinite uptime
like after a while you for sure have downtime
limpid pawn
but it's pretty easy for the first... i don't know how long
i wonder though
heavy repurcussions for a fight like council
strong forum
Overkill
limpid pawn
that would just give you 100% uptime no?
strong forum
Pointless to run HR anywhere besides the highest of high keys
You have 3 billion charge opportunities on council with reprisal
strong forum
Yes
You can get to 85% uptime on Block with reprisal alone
Which is plenty
On raid that equals to 100% due to tank swaps and mechanical downtime
Outside of very niche situations
wraith surge
guys, im having problems with my cpm...seems like i cant get it higher than 45-50
even like spamming revenge almost all the time
strong forum
Revenge isn't the button to up your cpm
SS and TC are the buttons to up your cpm
And obv haste
Aswell as correct talent choice and uptime
distant crystal
pummel and IP >:D
deft vortex
@limpid pawn where did you get that screenshot?
blazing condor
Pummel, taunt, ip, respec into devastate, heroic throw, berserker rage on cd
Now you have good cpm and shit gameplay
distant crystal
if only warriors could get "Detect" like rogues
or Detection
there were multiple times when spamming this gave you more procs of things lol
gleaming pawn
hey fellow warriors, i was debating going prot for 9.1 instead of continuing to DPS any advice? i know a few basics but was looking to push some m+ (just KSM level keys) for guildies and maybe heroic raid tanking.
jaunty granite
what covenant?
gleaming pawn
i am venthyr atm.
gleaming pawn
well, ive been dpsing on a warrior since WoD so...went with a DPS covenant and was primarily arms XD
jaunty granite
fury is better for M+
gleaming pawn
but i mean any advice towards like talent usae for m+ i see alot of warriors might go bolster and into the fray, and some might go heavy rep and ravager
jaunty granite
venthyr is gonna be the go to for 9.1 raiding
gleaming pawn
whats the difference between the last 2 row talents and why pick 1 in which case
jaunty granite
ravager is going to be best for threat generation
modern brook
- cov will have virtually no impact on heroic raiding or KSM leveled keys.
- They're all different abilities idk what the question is
@gleaming pawn
jaunty granite
i really only tank mythic raid not keys since i provide more as a damage player there. but i think for raiding anger management is the best talent in the bottom tier since i dump all rage into ignore pain
in mythic raid u dont really have extra rage to spend on anything like shield block or non revenge! procs
gleaming pawn
@modern brook when looking at warriors on like raider IO, they all have near the same rating but they run different talents on the last 2 rows, is there a reason to run 1 talent over another?
jaunty granite
whats ur legendary
gleaming pawn
I have reprisal and the wall
modern brook
<@!204081428869283843> when looking at warriors on like raider IO, they all have...
"yes" - it generally depends on whats going on in the key/fight.
amber herald
no rage for shield block?
modern brook
As a general rule of thumb ravager is the go-to. UF is undertuned for as long as clap is anemic. ITF has a lot of value cause it gives a lot of a good stat.
jaunty granite
in terms of damage mitigation for rage spent Ignore pain has like a 2.5:1 output vs shield block. this depends on boss and abilities but this is even true for sludgefist
modern brook
On the last row, AM is a DPS choice, basically. it gives Avatar more often. It also lower SW to an effecitive ~ 2min CD
which helps mak eup fo rnot being able to run the wall in keys
gleaming pawn
so bolster for extra defense, AM for dps?
ITF if i want more haste, or ravager if i feel my haste is ok?
modern brook
IF you dont know, take ravager + am, for as long as you're playing reprisal
Replace AM w/ bolster if you're playing with wall
modern brook
TBH i dont remember the usecase of ITF
I think it does more on st, specifically in raid
jaunty granite
AM is not dps, having more shield walls in a mythic raid is more important than having shield block once every last stand
gleaming pawn
so maybe good for tyrannical weeks?
strong forum
Itf is more dps in raid, that's about it
modern brook
so maybe good for tyrannical weeks?
you need raid group sizes to garuntee max stacks
jaunty granite
also avatar = more rage = ignore pain = damage mitigation
modern brook
on tyr in an avg group, you'll be looking at 3
gleaming pawn
ah ok
sturdy sable
But also AM IS more dps
gleaming pawn
ill start with am + ravager and reprisal and see how it goes lol
modern brook
i bascially havent taken ravager off since the expansion dropped
havent regretted it yet
its a good button
jaunty granite
yeah it is more DPS but that shouldn't really factor in your talent choice decisions unless your raid is specifically hurting for dps
sturdy sable
Rage on demand is nice
sturdy sable
yeah it is more DPS but that shouldn't really factor in your talent choice decis...
Rarely would you need extra survival in raid
gleaming pawn
ty for ur time @modern brook
strong forum
I literally named the reason when you pick what in the raid scenario
sturdy sable
Not good enough nom
strong forum
Like 20min ago
modern brook
I literally named the reason when you pick what in the raid scenario
yeah but im cooler :^)
jaunty granite
lets say ur progging on M sludgefist, every bit of damage u can mitigate is important since it lowers the HPS required to beat the fight
strong forum
Sludge does fuckall dmg and you have already 100% block uptime
sturdy sable
Like even sire i progged with AM
strong forum
Why would you not play AM there, its the perfect fight for AM
amber herald
I've never heard of prioritising IP over SB, is this a thing in mythic raid?
strong forum
No
modern brook
yeah it is more DPS but that shouldn't really factor in your talent choice decis...
with the exception of Level 40 row, almost every single talent is chosen because of damage, or at the very least rage gain
jaunty granite
i'm saying to use AM
strong forum
Thats a very very bad thing to do, lasagne
modern brook
ty for ur time <@!204081428869283843>
npnp
sturdy sable
Your main goal as a warrior is to press ignore pain exactly as much as you need it meaning alot less than you think
amber herald
I've never really done mythic so I was curious
jaunty granite
im taking an extreme example of mythic sludgefist as an example because thats an highly tuned and scripted fight that has tight healing checks
sturdy sable
Yeah but low tank damage
jaunty granite
you cant use reprisal on that fight b/c of chains
wraith surge
Your main goal as a warrior is to press ignore pain exactly as much as you need ...
go on
strong forum
you cant use reprisal on that fight b/c of chains
Bro what
Chains are 12 yards
Charge is 8
Sludge is the perfect fight for reprisal
strong forum
Literally THE perfect fight for reprisal
jaunty granite
you have mandatory positioning b/c of soaks so its the opposite
sturdy sable
Exactly enough blocks to cover all of your uptime
modern brook
Whst nom said lol beat me to it
noms only SF cause he can type fast
jaunty granite
and you cant even use intervene b/c you'll get 1 shot
sturdy sable
Have you done m sludgefist?
jaunty granite
go and use intervene rn on the other tank in mythic sludgefist, see what happens
strong forum
You can easily intervene and charge on sludge
I've done it Carlo
It's a good strategy
sturdy sable
Cause it sounds like either you didnt OR you did but you fundamentally misunderstanding the figbt
strong forum
^
jagged pier
u can intervene fine
strong forum
Sludge hits like a wet noodle
sturdy sable
Melee are legit right next to you and often times if they are close enough you dont even move
jagged pier
u can also intervene the chain slam targets
strong forum
I get that you're trying to help, but you're talking literally nonsense Carlo
jaunty granite
i have literally never had a successful intervene on mythic sludge my entire life bro im going to go scope that video
distant crystal
intervening the other tank will get you slapped p hard but a warrior with sb up can deal with it better than most
sturdy sable
Or just you know
strong forum
And youre immortal
distant crystal
and you can make your other tank bind /cancelaura Intervene to every button
jagged pier
u can also get 100% or close to without intervene on sludge
sturdy sable
End of tier ilvl
jagged pier
but u have to play near perfect timings
jaunty granite
@jagged pier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrx_TNv1No
that urs right?
jagged pier
yer
modern brook
awright; hi guys
strong forum
You can charge on every roar, on every slam. You can intervene on every chainslam and after every pillar
modern brook
what an opener
jaunty granite
kk watching 👀
modern brook
ILU jakey
jaunty granite
what if the other thank is a DH and doesnt use movement to get back on boss
amber herald
not playing devastator 👀
strong forum
He can just run.
jagged pier
i mean mines a dh
strong forum
Same here
jagged pier
and literally just walks
strong forum
My cotank was vdh and just walks
No need for fancy shit
The chain is more than long enough
jaunty granite
i dont get how that doesnt break chains, ive probably caused 2-4 wipes by accidentally charging
strong forum
Git gud :^)
jaunty granite
anyways let me watch this video then
jaunty granite
yeah i cant remember my specific positioning but i guess i can see that, brb 17 mins watching jakes vid
jagged pier
Cant remeber who i made if for but they wanted a run down of what i did for the whole fight
🤷
jaunty granite
i like how u start it by saying that everyone says its bad
jagged pier
And at the time i did it it was still u should play the wall
strong forum
Charge on roars, slams and twice on pillar, intervene on CD / on chain slams / as external for your tank paired with SW
Boom
distant crystal
It was a lot tighter before sludge got the nerfbat
strong forum
Done
distant crystal
what were chains pre-nerf, 10yd?
strong forum
Have fun
distant crystal
or 8
jagged pier
12
distant crystal
i thought they're 12 now?
jagged pier
I dunno havent been there for a long time
sweet summit
10
modern brook
😦
distant crystal
but...what happens if you're tanking sludge with double prot and you intervene eachother?
instance crash? 🤔
strong forum
Both get hit twice and then the world breaks apart
Infinite feedback loop and both get 1shot
jaunty granite
ok so the other tank has to cancelaura intervene macro into every single ability
strong forum
Not rly no
jaunty granite
thats what this dude is saying on the vid
distant crystal
It's helpful in general for all fights
jagged pier
I said u can
distant crystal
So you can intervene them for reprisal and not yoink another stack
strong forum
I used intervene as an external for my cotank
jagged pier
That was the first night we used it because he wrote it wrong
strong forum
Cuz im 20x tankier than him
distant crystal
SIMP
modern brook
Its less simping and more like
When you put your kid on your shoulders so he can feel tall
distant crystal
lol
jaunty granite
assuming u wont need SW for the next 2 mins on a fight like sludge is bold as all hell (again im assuming prog)
no one cares about farm kills imo
strong forum
I know where I can use it
And Sludge doesn't hurt tanks really
If you play it well dps will take almost more dmg than tanks
jagged pier
Honestly no shield block is all u need for sludge
Because its stupid fucking strong for him
jagged pier
Same
strong forum
distant crystal
He was so convinced that tanks were just being babies and it didn't matter
strong forum
Look at this
Barely need any healing on this fight as tank
2.8kehrps as tank is literally negative
Smh, jakey inting on sludge taking 3.9k ehrps
jaunty granite
my boy jake getting slammed by boss tho
strong forum
Might only look like it tbh
jaunty granite
i feel like this is a good idea with a cheat death trinket off of kaelthas
jaunty granite
u had a couple of 1 hit away from death momens
distant crystal
my buddy solo tanked h sludge the other day
jaunty granite
moments
jagged pier
Just need to be used to going and staying low
distant crystal
prot warr too stronk
jagged pier
Nah it only looks like that jonestly wasnt that far from death
jagged pier
^
strong forum
The boss melees so slow
You have like 2.1sec between each swing
Then you have several mechanics that don't dmg you in the slightest
This is my HP graph on the boss
For a solid 2min I don't drop below 70%
And I use intervene on cotank twice there
blazing condor
Even for my guild who had bad dps and kinda meh healing i was uber fine on dmg intake
Sludge is lovely
fast briar
I am considering maining prot war for 9.1. I’ve played it a bit it and seems enjoyable albeit a bit fast paced. What are some other reasons to play prot in mythic plus?
mighty valley
Cool
Hot
Jump far
Working on blocking nearly every melee hit is satisfying
Spell reflect feels like cheating sometimes
fast briar
How do you cover gaps when shield block is down?
mighty valley
The standard legendary these days is Reprisal, which gives you 4s of shield block when you charge or intervene
(along with a bunch of other stuff)
So between that and your normal block charges you can get v high uptime
fast briar
Thanks
fleet river
And if you goof it up, you'll have shield wall every 1.5-2 minutes, last stand every 3 minutes, rallying cry which is like a baby last stand, and plenty of mobility to gtfo
Also trinkets but everyone has those
grim nymph
Bladedancer's armor kit is poopoo, right?
median tulip
hey guys, which stats are best for legendary items vers + haste?
Yes Haste/Versa
median tulip
Bladedancer's armor kit is poopoo, right?
Massive steaming pile of turd
grim nymph
Kinda figured as much. Sticking with my overwhelming power crystal
median tulip
Best two trinkets are Anima Field Emitter and Blood Spattered Scale
grim nymph
yeah, I know BSS is amazing, but I don't have it
grim nymph
yeah, pretty much
median tulip
Thankfully mine is 226, so should last me a while into 9.1
carmine oracle
Best Enchant for Weapon for Mythic + ?
mighty valley
Lightless Force probably but it’s close with celestial
sick sentinel
Hi so I tried to run Spires of Ascension at 12 or 13, and I did the skip routes that you guys were mentioning we're after the first boss you go to the left and you pick up two packs of trash
We killed the two Trash Packs and it was messy, they didn't pull correctly didn't engage combat together, 2nd group jumped way back didn't kill it till minute later and then we went right and I'm not entirely sure why but I think that it was due to[possible bad Pride spawns?
We were over by about 5 minutes and I think we wiped twice
double giants and stairs was fine-ish, before 2nd was a tad rough
median tulip
We killed the two Trash Packs and it was messy, they didn't pull correctly didn'...
For both those trash packs from the wrong side after the first boss, you have to corner pull using the corner to the right of the stairs up there. The second group - the one with the skirmishers who leap away from you - I always drop Kyrian Spear on to tether them for their first attempt to jump away.
limpid jackal
do warriors have a swipe equivalent? I.e a big aggro collector on no cooldown?
I'm getting tripped up by the cd on thunder clap because I'm new and bad 😓
I'm levelling but aggro collection at the start is way more difficult than druid D:
mighty valley
Our best aoe threat gen is Revenge, costs rage though
but Reprisal gives you a freebie on the pull if you can charge
Throwing out Ravager as you pull helps too
limpid jackal
should I use whirlwind for aoe generation?
scarlet swan
Revenge more
limpid jackal
kk thanks 🙂
sick sentinel
Aoe win condition is ravager, spear if kyrian assuming nf thing if that, revenge thunderlap
Some times on packs that have like 8 mobs in it you charge and use challenging ravager
cinder nova
mfw I'm struggling more to do a 15 with pugs than a 20 with the lads
Why are bad players so fucking heavy guys
placid oar
That's pretty much my experience since the start of the expansion and when i started playing in BFA, where i pug my keys. I guess that's the pug life, things get harder and not everyone has the luxury to have the time to have a fix group etc. But you do meet some nice people (=
thin brook
i did boost my character on wow tbc to 58 on wrong server so thinking to change it to the server i am going to main on how long do i need to wait after i did the 58 boost ?
cinder nova
I'm still baffled that it's so difficult for some of these gluesniffers to understand basic M+ mechanics
Like you know
Kicking
CC
Fuckin' INVIS POTS
Fuck
chilly brook
We killed the two Trash Packs and it was messy, they didn't pull correctly didn'...
The skirmishers leap away from you in the direction you're facing. If you put yourself in front of them with their back to a wall you basically eliminate them going all over the place. Also like mentioned earlier you can corner pull so they're forced to run to you and they group themselves up.
tame jasper
I'm still baffled that it's so difficult for some of these gluesniffers to under...
Where kicking is more difficult than invis in my experience. But yeah all quite basic stuff
chilly brook
I'm still baffled that it's so difficult for some of these gluesniffers to under...
Tbh I'm still amazed that people are still trying to hey KSM, tanked a dungeon on my alt and got someone their last dungeon for KSM
Like we've had this season for 6 months lol
cinder nova
It's just the dregs that remain
I desperately want 2K before this bullshit closes but everyone that bothered to get it has gone on hiatus
chilly brook
I probably coulda pushed to 1.7 or 1.8k this week but I just couldn't be bothered
tame jasper
I desperately want 2K before this bullshit closes but everyone that bothered to ...
I feel you. I‘m trying to get PF18 since weeks to complete all 18, but no way -_-
cinder nova
I'm trying to fill out my roster to all 20s
I'm peaking at 1835
I wanna die
1835 feels like io hell round 2
chilly brook
I could easily do all 19s on the monk
But finding the keys and a decent group is the real struggle
tame jasper
But finding the keys and a decent group is the real struggle
This what I mesn
chilly brook
And oddly enough I could care less about getting io on the warrior for some reason
Did do a key as dps now that I swapped back to Venthyr on the warrior and ended at 7.5k
Probably woulda been 8k or higher as NF
cinder nova
Tanking feels like such a fucking chore.
chilly brook
It really do
blazing condor
I like it
cinder nova
You can pick out stupid DPS so fast and you're just stuck operating with them
blazing condor
cinder nova
Griff does the edge of the helmet ever get in the way of the window?
tbh fury is fun but I feel like a lobotomy patient playing it
cinder nova
just idle japes
(you know like, people that gotta wear a helmet because they're a danger to themselves)
(window-licking)
Fury just feels so
spinny number go brrr haha
It's fun but god damn
I guess it's good, since we can turn off our brains from tanking
chilly brook
Oh ye I'm a danger to myself when playing fury
Cuz its normally with a blood dk tanking
🤣
cinder nova
Bro
going in
reck AA
Get aggro
die
I will never understand why that happens so much to me as fury
Like - ??? I've never had aggro issues with DPS on fat pulls
Fire mages doing 37K DPS on cleave and I'm still miles ahead on the threat meter
strong forum
Because its instant
Fury has the single highest burst dps in the game, its all front loaded
cinder nova
I don't struggle with other fury warriors either
ionic fern
That's cause most fury warriors suck.
strong forum
Just like ret has huge issues with aggro, it comes in 1 single global
jagged pier
I heard you werent that bad at press the flashy buttons
strong forum
Like imagine the burst of reck + bladestorm + AA + first strike
ionic fern
I heard you werent that bad at press the flashy buttons
I'm horrible at it.
jagged pier
ionic fern
Also overcapping rage by like 3k.
strong forum
Not many other classes have that amount of front loaded dmg
cinder nova
Like I said, I dunno. Maybe most fury do suck dogwater, but I've never had aggro issues
Granted, I only do 20-21s
But maybe the issue becomes more ubiquitous at higher keys
As the gigachads sort themselves from the simple chads
ionic fern
Are you the fury? What class is the tank?