rav charge ava sb revenge ss tc
#protection
modern brook
muted arch
dumped into SB
strong forum
You want to use AA insta
modern brook
u have 3 cds of rage gen there
strong forum
So you don't have globals for revenge
muted arch
AA before DS??
muted arch
yeah
strong forum
You asked if AA before DS, which I replied to "no"
Nobody said anything about AA before DS
muted arch
no i asked if thats what u were telling me to do haha
cuz u said u want to use AA insta
muted arch
for ST (raid) i've been opening charge (SB mid charge)>DS>avatar>AA>rotation
does that seem right?
thats what i said lol
strong forum
If rotation implies using SS and IP, then yes
Cuz that's still a fuck load of rage you're generating there
Unless you use both SB charges
I guess that could work
muted arch
rotation implies SS>TC>revenge, IP/SB to prevent overcap
muted arch
noice ty
strong forum
Recently I've gotten the habit of spamming SS even when it's on CD during the GCD in the event of something resetting it
So you insta snipe the reset
But that requires some serious spamming
Feels really good thought when you do
Actually could you macro that into some buttons? 
just put SS on TC bind?
modern brook
But that requires some serious spamming
Just bind it to mw down and let it free spin
sweet echo
AA is avatar ?
sweet summit
ancient aftershock
sweet echo
Oh right
fiery warren
I don't know why, but banner on the GCD feels awful
sweet summit
ye :/
fiery warren
But damn does it feel good to line it up with my ret pally's wings in keys lol.
I rerolled by accident. I leveled as necrolord, just giving it a shot but ended up as kyrian, so I thought I would have to do the quest to go back. So I just pressed through the menu expecting to get the quest because I wanted to try it again during prog next tier and was just going to have it ready, but turns out you don't have to if you just leveled as a covenant lol.
midnight eagle
hm so warrior is one of the few classes that I like playing all 3 specs, fury for keys/raid arms for pvp, prot for keys
problem is that it is very hard to not tank right now, a couple of declines or sitting in queue for too long just makes me swap to tanking
too impatient
sweet echo
Yeah I was prot in bfa and then swapped to fury late for EP/NYA. now back to prot for all content
Fury was giga in keys, too bad they didn’t give us the Azerite trait as a passive
But currently NF prot warr and it’s so much fun lol
midnight eagle
yeah I am night fae too, the stun on AA is nice and I have gotten along fine without phial
sweet echo
AA is a nice interrupt tbh. Should count on the interrupt tracker -.-
midnight eagle
it makes me wish I went NF on my VDH though while I was pvping a lot early this expansion
just didnt want to give up decree and phial
sweet echo
needed for dh imo.
midnight eagle
too many night fae though honestly
topaz dragon
^^ I went nf, kinda regret but when I look at kyr to swap, the soulbinds look terrible.
I want to pvp as arms aswell :/. If only mr robot man didnt have a knockback on spawn
muted arch
why do u regret going NF
topaz dragon
Weaker in pvp. In keys nf is great. Lots of dam and utilities. But kyr is the same. Where the kyr ability is probably more often used yea
I wonder what the 9.1 soulbinds look kije
fleet river
Kyrian owns
Spear owns. Phial owns. Pelagos owns.
Travel network owns. World quests own.
Best covenant hands down
sweet echo
it's seeming like so many classes are gravating over to NF
Korayn is just op
sweet echo
Hit them with a massive ancient aftershock
I went nf from necro for fury warr. Really good in m+ overall and that’s what I care about
Def gonna use the best served cold talent though. Light weight throwing hahahaa. So used to bfa prot where we use the booming voice.
vocal carbon
Good to know that my refusal to switch from Kyrian has been rewarded.
sick sentinel
Phase 3 is basically where the fight starts, but got easier with the recent hp changes. Should still expect 50+ pulls for most just getting into p3
limpid pawn
50 pulls isn't too bad
blissful isle
I tank m+ atm up to about the 20 level on druid and paladin. Sell me on prot warrior. I'm not in love with how it plays but maybe I just need more time on it
topaz dragon
I'm bored af when I tank as bear. So I like warrior. But me do bdk main, so I guess I'm I'm the minority
sweet echo
I tank m+ atm up to about the 20 level on druid and paladin. Sell me on prot war...
Spell reflect.
You should have seen prot in BFA. Omg.
Glory days
Actual gods
Prot warr is the most fun tank imo. Charging and intervening for reprisal makes it into a mini game within a dungeon. Warriors have the best CDs in the game. Great utility in a lot of scenarios. Rally cry. Challenging shout. Intervene with the conduit is an external for teammates. Battle shout. Need I say more.
blissful isle
And the no self healing thing isn't a problem?
urban portal
It's better to mitigate than self heal a lot of times
Because mitigation makes healer heals worth more
But when shit hits the fan it's harder for warrior to get out of it than say, bdk
cinder nova
How dangerous/cheesy do you think it'd be to bursting stack up a couple of plaugeborers and then pop them on a boss?
🤔
sweet echo
How dangerous/cheesy do you think it'd be to bursting stack up a couple of plaug...
Bursting stack?
I mean people do it on high tyran keys regardless. First 2 plague borers go to boss
sweet echo
And the no self healing thing isn't a problem?
Don’t need to self heal if you take less damage 🙂 ignore pain is considered a heal tho lol. Definitely helps in a lot of situations.
lament raven
How dangerous/cheesy do you think it'd be to bursting stack up a couple of plaug...
Seeing as the great push highest plaguefall was done by using plague borers on literally every mob in the dungeon... I'd say using them anyway you want is a legit strategy, also high necrotic wake was done by bolstering up one of the axe throwing mobs and getting it to basically one shot the last 2 bosses a while ago...
cinder nova
How do they keep it from one-shotting them?
topaz dragon
My real sadness is that the kyr soulbinds look bad :(
obsidian girder
Morning. Had to tank HC nathria today for the first time (alt run).
Which soulbind do you recommend for a venthyr - is draven the best option ?
sturdy sable
Nadia
tacit smelt
Anyone can help me with my M sire logs in the log channel, posted 3 hours ago and no help so far :c
lament raven
How do they keep it from one-shotting them?
I believe it was some fuckery with mind controlling it
jagged pier
Anyone can help me with my M sire logs in the log channel, posted 3 hours ago an...
At work so can only look on phone so cant see blocked hits but your casts seem a bit low for instance looked at 1 of mine i get like 4 more SS casts a mintue compared to both you guys
Your loosin a lot of rage
Your both under using TC as well id expect higher usage, also u guys arent using your cds you bith us SW once over 7:30 mins
When u both have ~1:30 min cd on it meaning u can use it much more often
Temebr its part of our rotation
You are also running bolster and use LS 2 twice with bolster u want to use it on CD pretty much
You also need to press your buttons more i would expect around a 58-60ish CPM you missing a lot of resources not jsing SS and TC on cd
You other tanks still a tad low on CPM but better his SS isage is also low
Both sub 10 casta a min
Thats the best i can do without a pc
tacit smelt
@jagged pier thanks for help
jagged pier
I cant look for blocked hits but your overall uptime of shield block is very low so i woild expect your effective uptime not to be that great
But thats speculation as i cant see blocked hits on a phones
@tacit smelt might help you to look through your own logs https://youtu.be/o1tRp8lULT8
blazing condor
<@!179993058186625025> thanks for help
Can confirm that you had low % of blocked hits meaning you dont have a lot of shield block uptime. But that ties in to all that Jakey said. The more casts you do the more rage you gain the more SB you can have etc.
winter loom
Quick question: Since I dont enjoy playing with reprisal, is the Wall similar/as good as reprisal defensive-wise?
In M+
winter loom
dang
ionic fern
That said - The Wall will not hinder your Mythic+. 🙂
You can play pretty much what ever Legendary you want probably up to like 20 as long as you play the class correctly.
Reprisal just provides us most bang for the buck.
winter loom
Maybe im gonna practice some more. Guess its just some kind of habitual problem
finite arch
should i have more revenge dmg or shield block in m+? i feel like i use revenge way too often
jagged pier
Do u mean shield slam damage?
finite arch
sorry, yes.
jagged pier
And if so no revenge should be top
finite arch
ok thanks
finite arch
not really
205 ilvl, was a +12 NW yesterday
all of my breakdowns looking similar like this
on all dungeons
blazing condor
Maybe im gonna practice some more. Guess its just some kind of habitual problem
what do you find annoying with it? Even if you don't leap out to charge back in or weave charges all the time it'll still be a great value if you only intervene on your melees
daring bay
While on the topics of logs. Where can i see hits taken without block up? Is it possible using details?
strong forum
Gotta go into logs
Then filter melee dmg taken with SB blacklisted
In the events tab
daring bay
K ty will give ut a shot when i get home. Will tale a look at that video to
strong forum
Or I think you can make a pin that excludes dmg taken with SB buff active
daring bay
Cuz i swear sometimes i got SB up abd still taking massive meelee hits
strong forum
But idk what you'd do with that information
strong forum
Cuz i swear sometimes i got SB up abd still taking massive meelee hits
Can still get hit in the back
Can't block attacks that happen to far to the side of you or behind you
daring bay
I am positive i dont usually turn my back
daring bay
Except when i accidently charge to the backline.
strong forum
:^)
daring bay
But ye, prob gotta doubble check with logs
jagged pier
ionic fern
Definitely have to be casting more Revenges.
What about your IP usage? How many casts?
ionic fern
So that's where all your rage is going.. 😄
finite arch
😦
too many?
since my ilvl is very low i try to mititage as much dmg as possible so healer can spend some time dpsing even tho in that low range they usually tunnel-heal
ionic fern
Well..for comparisson i can say that in a +18 i did i used IP 40 times.
finite arch
uff
ionic fern
What key levels are you doing?
finite arch
well with this guy only 12s atm
ionic fern
In general using IP is not wrong per-se, it's more that you need to understand if you need it.
Looking at how much you are using IP you are also probably overcapping it by a large margin.
finite arch
yeah i am about to understand the class 😄 i also played DH and bear, they were a bit easier to "understand"
ionic fern
Jeah..we have some decisions to be made in regards to usage of our Rage. 🙂
finite arch
i mean, i just learned that i take less dmg in total with my warrior than with my druid (both around same ilvl), even tho it feels like my druid taking less dmg. but i guess this comes from all the selfhealing and absorb with ursocs leggo
but the dmg reduction from block, paired with some ignore pain doing man's work
tame jasper
@ionic fern is a good „teacher“ Had an „I look over your shoulder via stream“-evening with him and got many advises what I did/doing wrong (grr musle memory 😂) 🥰
tame jasper
Of course in addition to many log reviewers here in Chat ❣️
finite arch
yeah thank mr. @ionic fern 🙇
tame jasper
🍻
ionic fern
Mwahi nice/good teacher
I'm nice to people who want to learn.
You SF boyes should be smart so i can be rude to you.
jagged pier
I'm nice to people who want to learn.
You SF boyes should be smart so i can be r...
Very true
strong forum
torpid dagger
How is necrolord for a Prot warr?
sweet summit
its alright
jagged pier
Is it the best. No will it hinder you doing anything. Also no
signal plover
In that sense it's a lot like Jakey's punctuation
modern brook
😬
jagged pier
The drinking problem the dyslexia so i think faster than i type so i miss 90% of the word and spell them all incorrectly ecpect for dyslexia ironically
jagged pier
modern brook
So like a ferrari that has to ride on plastic wheels
brings a new meaning to F1
signal plover
1F*
ionic fern
We playing bingo?
signal plover
Shhh, you'll wake the boomers
modern brook
I didnt think it was that good a joke
then mwahi didnt get it so i must be onto something
:^)
strong forum
strong forum
Expecting good jokes from *me*
Idk why but your "me" sounds to me like this guys "me"
signal plover
Is this because I called u Scandinavian?
modern brook
honestly kinda looks like nom 🤔
signal plover
Not wrong
strong forum
Love me some good voice acting
signal plover
Yo cyberpunk voice acting was top notch
modern brook
is the game functional yet?
I'm very excited for it but i dont want to taint my experience by playing it before its released
😬
modern brook
yah it released way too early and then everyone suprised pikachu'd when it didnt work
cd projekt red is really good about putting its heart into stuff, from what ive played of theirs atleast
Figured it'd get fixed with time
jagged pier
Im so jaded i literally wait for a long time before playing new games for the whole reason i dont want to olay the buggy mess
I would recommend cyberpunk i really liked it.
Is it as good as witcher 3 for me personally its not but its still a good game
modern brook
I usually don't buy single player games until they're old enough to be half price
strong forum
Unless you willingly run into missions way above your level it's very easy
chilly brook
Idk why but your "*me*" sounds to me like this guys "me"
By Azura by Azura by Azura
strong forum
But the ambiance, the city, the detail, the many people
It's amazing
It actually feels like a real city
I wish my 3080 was here so I could up the graphics
signal plover
I would recommend cyberpunk i really liked it.
Same. I played like a week after release and only really hit one big bug.
modern brook
I wish my 3080 was here so I could up the graphics
one of the major reasons i wait forever to buy sp games is that by the time they're half price, the hardware to enjoy them is cheapaf too
chilly brook
I really enjoyed Cyberpunk tbh, I do want to play it again but I'm holding off until something major hits
strong forum
one of the major reasons i wait forever to buy sp games is that by the time they...
I bought my 3080 9 months ago
🙃
Still don't have it
modern brook
I bought my 3080 9 months ago
xd
signal plover
At least u've bought one.
modern brook
Still don't have it
oof
signal plover
I've been trying for about 9 months.
jagged pier
It's a good game, too easy though
This went quickhacking and even high lvl quests became 'cheesable' but km that sortnof player that does everything so like i did everything in the tutorial eeror before opening the game kek
strong forum
3080 strix for 950€, I'm sitting on that order until they cancel it in from their side
Or until I have it
signal plover
Not bad
strong forum
This went quickhacking and even high lvl quests became 'cheesable' but km that s...
Im revolver stealth build
So I just headshot for 35k+
signal plover
I did max katana shit lol
strong forum
And one shot pretty much everything
signal plover
And boring assault rifle andy
strong forum
100% crit and like 500% crit multiplier +20x headshot multiplier
Bodyshot? 2k headshot? 35k
Fucking dumb
And too easy
sick sentinel
do you guys play with dsl internet or cable typically? or fibre?
sick sentinel
always been dsl? and have a wifi i guess?
strong forum
I legit took off gear with dmg mods from cyperpunk and just equipped stylish gear in cyberpunk
sick sentinel
i been using cable internet past like, i dunno, 5 years and its dog shit now, can't do a keystone past dinner without net going out, so i may required dedicated internet line
strong forum
Always been DSL with WiFi, upgraded 2 years ago to higher Bitrate from provider
sick sentinel
dsl is you can't be kicked off (beside maintenence and rare scenarios), say due to congestion
strong forum
Ye
There have been issues the last 3 days where it drops off for like 5min at night between 10 and 11pm tho
Very annoying
sick sentinel
yeah, it's slower for what your paying for, but i've just about had enough of this bullshit, i share wifi with neighbour for netflix whatever, if dsl means i never get disconnected again, that's 90% what im doin
strong forum
My mans living in 2005
jagged pier
Im wired but im fine i may have gone in the router and given my pc 50% of the bandwidth
My family complain the internet is slow
sick sentinel
if i'm playing cod or something solo or offline and net cuts out thats fine, but if im trying to run a 14 or 15 or something and that happens, got 4 people + myself i'm working for, and so i let em down
strong forum
Getting disconnected is a very rare thing
Shouldn't happen in this day and age
15 years ago, sure
But not now
sick sentinel
we get disconnected here every 2-3 days for like, 5-10 minutes, sometimes up to an hour
strong forum
Somethings fucky
Hit up your provider
A node fucked, settings fucked or something broken
Can always happen
Or it can just be a reconnect issue from your providers side aswell
Alot of issues are often from the providers side
sick sentinel
no idea, all i know is i deeply tire of repeatedly explaining the same scenarios and concepts over and over to somebody, and they don't remember any of it or don't care
strong forum
Been there
Had a good month of paper and telephone war when I moved places and had to switch from fibre to dsl, then realised I had to switch to vdsl
And then pay for 25 but only 18 would reach me which was borderline okay, I was ready to move places but then built new powerline like 6months after I moved in and could upgrade to 250mbit
sick sentinel
it's all about not ruining keys first for me now due to disconnects and having enough juice that budy can watch his movies use his phone
happens again, i'm swappin
modern brook
90% it's a hardware issue tbh
Def call your isp and get a tech to take a look
It's own headache but will definitely resolve your issue
You'd be surprised how often it's like "hey this wire is frayed."
hollow hill
I want them both 😢
finite arch
got the weap last week
hollow hill
I should probably go with trinket though right
finite arch
yeah trinket is pretty awesome
hollow hill
currently using anima field emitter and quantum device, both ilvl 200
sick sentinel
i would say emitter
puts a light blue/white ring on ground and you stand in it get haste, whats not to like?
wet osprey
hey whats BIS 1h weap enchant?
jagged pier
Lightless or celestial
hollow hill
puts a light blue/white ring on ground and you stand in it get haste, whats not ...
Yes I love the emitter, great trinket imo
split anchor
how good is tank warrior dmg in higher keys say +15-20's geared
modern brook
we dont have pre-nerf decree or current Ashen or Berzerk. About middle of the pack
gamers are usually in the high 4k's to low 5ks from what ive been seeing
jagged pier
Depends on dungeon, group, leggo, comfort, lots of factors but mod 4ks to 6k in some places
chilly brook
how good is tank warrior dmg in higher keys say +15-20's geared
Very dependent on how aggressive you can be
Like Jakey said at least 4k but I've done up to 6.5k iirc
analog swift
I had someone tell me you can spell reflect the shattering pain knock back, I thought it was physical (hence why bops work)
jagged pier
U can block it for the dr but the grab is like a magic component i think.
Think about soulcrusher
But for me personally i use SR for bloodprice
And then u can use it for shattering pain inbetween yet
But sometimes its good to be dragged
analog swift
yeah im really just thinking of the ravage 2 yikes one
mainly play dh and I just #glide
jagged pier
U can use it there, but u can also just get hit out of it
It hits just before ravage
signal plover
I think the knockback is magic in the mirror realm which is why SR works.
Well, knockforward technically
sturdy sable
I think i only reflect the knock forward on the 3rd mass
Every one else is for bloodprice
jagged pier
Yer but blood price is every min
And shattering pain every 25s
So u can get everyone in the middle
sturdy sable
But i want that free charge back
thorn remnant
Would you all use a 213 Memory of Past Sins over 207 Inscrutable Quantum Device if those were your only choices for the second trinket slot?
jagged pier
Yes
jagged pier
But i want that free charge back
U dont always need the charge though
And it helps to keep the boss still sometimes
safe thistle
oh wow quiet tuesday here.
jagged pier
True
wild hemlock
gimme general pointers for SLG for a raid. im an ele main so i doubt anyone can help with playing ele
starting SLG tonight
sweet summit
want slg pointers for ele?
stark sage
wild hemlock
LOL
wild hemlock
i just meant like generaly raid wide pointers of issues others had
not class specific
sweet summit
stormkeeper is up for every add wave send it
focus skull>cross>square skirmisher
youre probably forced to take windrush totem
wild hemlock
TY
sweet summit
idk what there is to say
its a pretty straight forward fight
lucid sand
don't fall off the edge
wild hemlock
Dont fuck your buddies
yeah thats nasty
sweet summit
sounds hot
dire hazel
get vored by bat
nocturne sable
does anyone know the quickest way to get a shield on a fresh lvl 60?
like a rare that might drop one
modern brook
campaign
nocturne sable
oooh true
median tulip
does anyone know the quickest way to get a shield on a fresh lvl 60?
Do your adventure table; Shields drop pretty commonly from the missions. Keep an eye on World Quests. Or buy a 190 one from AH, they are dirt cheap now
nocturne sable
yeah the campaign is my best bet, when I say fresh I mean 123 haven't gotten 161 boes off the AH yet fresh
iron drift
Im Necro warrior we are progging on Mythic Sludge if i run Bonesmith and go for 3 Endurance as protection warrior whats better Deep wounds healing me or the active dmg adds to ignore pain?
night depot
Decided on prot warrior pretty late in the patch, got reprisal 235 is it worth getting wall for raids etc? cos ive just been using it there too lol
modern brook
Lead by example and by extention, banner, will line up with pillars
if you want another leggo, wall is the way to go
modern brook
you should run emeni
Bbut if u really want to run hemier you shouldnt run 3x endurance
night depot
yeah got some spare ash, will have ago. Just spamming intervene on the mele in raids lol
modern brook
Veteran's Repute is like 80% of the reason to consider necrolord at all
@iron drift
iron drift
i agreee just trying to have a possible way of extending the fight late and also curious out of the 2 conduit i said what would be best
modern brook
i agreee just trying to have a possible way of extending the fight late and also...
when 3x endurance is unavoidable, they are literally exactly the same
i think they were within ~.5% hps in competition with one another
granted that was done back in 9.0
so just take whichever is higher / whichever looks cooler in your soulbind
iron drift
thanks just gonna run the ignore pain extra since its a single target fight and if we dont need my extra tanky ill swap back emeni
strong forum
You defo shouldn't need any extra tanky on sludge
iron drift
by extra tanky i mean the 10 second of not being dead from bonesmith
iron drift
i agree
sick sentinel
that fight for tanks is all about positional awarness rather than debuffs, mitigation, kiting, etc no
chilly brook
that fight for tanks is all about positional awarness rather than debuffs, mitig...
Not really true
Last 30% definitely punishes you if you're not mitigating
sick sentinel
ah, ah you're probably right, i haven't done that fight beside LFR mage
muted arch
haste/vers on leggo ya?
sweet summit
ya
sick sentinel
i wish there was a "download this week all no skips, skips, both, or up to currently known routes master pack" for MDT
takes 40 seconds to get all the maps, just tedius
perhaps it could be a function on the MDT addon, "download this weeks routes"
safe thistle
do you guys think the alchemist stone trinket gonna be a BIS with the crafter mark that can improve a ilvl to 230 ?
safe thistle
for progression it might be ? the proc is nearly 200 str on a 165 ilvl
sweet summit
possibly, how early can you get that crafters mark?
safe thistle
i believe in the grind pre-raid
sweet summit
is that also rep gated
safe thistle
so depend just when it will be accessible ?
sweet summit
because, if you can, sure. it could be a solid placeholder
yeah
valor trinkets will almost instantly replace it due to the irrelevant item level
safe thistle
well never ever saw blood scaled yet even up to now
safe thistle
yah.... and warrior will be more desired
sick sentinel
i still say pw will be BFA all over again
dogshit in pre-patch, x.0, meh in 9.1 fucking gods in x.2/3
carmine oracle
Reprisal on Boots or Legs? AH price for boots is 4.4k and legs is 21.5k. I have far better legs at the moment but I dont want to mess this up. Thanks in advance for the help.
sweet summit
cinder nova
Not really, but it'll probably be nice to have paired with shard in 20+ keys.
As an extra defensive every other pull or so.
sweet summit
shard?
sweet summit
the heck is shard
cinder nova
Then skulker/phial for raids
Sorry, heart.
I dunno why my brain keeps thinking shard.
sweet summit
al'ar, right?
cinder nova
ye
cinder nova
I figured, but didn't know if I was being a weenie hut jr attendee
sweet summit
i have no idea what that means 🤣
cinder nova
Didn't know if running heart and scale was too defensive.
sweet summit
refering to the latest pin for al'ar
scale is good almost regardless, as long as you use it, as it also does decent damage and is on a relatively short cooldown compared to its power
cinder nova
Just upgrade it 4head
midnight eagle
any abilities which should not be placed on our bar really?
mellow bridge
WW
Revenge is just better at doing the same thing
Everything else I can think of atm is at least situationally useful
mighty valley
i don't remember if they made slam baseline, or just arms/fury
midnight eagle
okay whirlwind is what I was looking at specifically
sweet summit
unless they buff existing legendaries/add new ones, it will remain the go to
fresh ruin
ok thanks
just wanted to check before i upgraded it
Do we know what slots the new special socket gear will be
sweet summit
Plate: chest, helmet, shoulders, bracer, gloves
cinder nova
Anyone got a good playlist I can listen to while I wait for my guild to figure out M xy?
worn bear
just loop the curb your enthusiasm theme
sick sentinel
What does weapon (mh) change exactly for us anyways all attacks more flat dmg I guess on abilities
cinder nova
Bonk harder
harder bonk mean enemy dead
enemy dead mean less damage
weapon is mitigation
sweet summit
📠
olive cosmos
I got it boys, with the greediest build possible. my guild now hates me
sweet summit
good 
chilly brook
Literally F p2
P2 as a tank is just big dumb
Not even worried about doing damage when you're puckering your bumhole and having to leap all over the place smh
sweet summit
condemning remornia is big if u need it
sweet summit
unluck
chilly brook
Since my cotank is a blood dk
sweet summit
ah
chilly brook
So I get to do all the leaping around for hands and wracking pains
Which means my booty gets slapped a little bit
sweet summit
distant crystal
feelsdhman
chilly brook
Honestly though venth will be super nice in p3
distant crystal
Well this is an awkward question to ask but, is execute/condemn a spender for prot?
brittle owl
cinder nova
Christ alive.
Why are M+ pugs so damn stupid.
I'm doing a 19 PF and I have to type into /party "Come up the stairs and LOS why the fuck are you fighting down there???"
During the Blightweaver plagueborer cheese on Ickus' first two packs.
primal nimbus
how are they gonna dps whilst LoS 
primal nimbus
cant convince a single pug dps on this planet not to hit stuff
tame jasper
Or „ah nah why killing those low hp mobs who run away into other grps“....
cinder nova
Holy fuck when DPS don't slow slimeclaws
I wanna scream
Same dungeon from the DH
"Why aren't we just invising?"
Because it's like 10s and a waste of a pot. This way you have pot for boss
It's like dealing with children
Swear to god
sweet summit
we are children 
sick sentinel
or when theres 1 caster
that requires a kick
but everyone " has cds running"
dont kick him and he jus tkeeps casting
cinder nova
Yo dawg
I'm gonna just
stop you right there
I'm not sure my blood pressure can handle it
So.
Cheers
sick sentinel
or when you assign kicks
people dont kick
go in balls deeps to mobs you've only bodypulled
get aggro and die
tank ?
i hated playing ravager but i can see why now
sweet summit
ravager OWNS
cinder nova
Ravager is the swollen shiny tip of a properly veiny pull.
brittle owl
ravej
sick sentinel
just feels like you need 2-3 globals to setup everything
brittle owl
Why are M+ pugs so damn stupid.
it's mostly because the only people left playing this patch are the glue sniffers
cinder nova
It hurts. I wanna break 2K
chilly brook
so does it also slap more than fury's
I hit a few 22k condemns tonight on sire as prot
brittle owl
that's hot as fuck
chilly brook
just feels like you need 2-3 globals to setup everything
The only time I feel like i need globals to set stuff up is when I'm just trying to build rage to spend on condemn lmao
Very concerned for you if you feel like you need 2-3 globals to setup a random pull in m+
Ravager, avatar charge revenge go brrr
sick sentinel
well yeah i kinda use Demo shout on open
with ravager
I play the revenge talent too
its just for mitigation
chilly brook
You can do all of that before you're really even engaging the mob tbh
sick sentinel
but im not even good at prot I just recently started taking it more seriously
sick sentinel
You can do all of that before you're really even engaging the mob tbh
throw the ravager you mean ?
chilly brook
Throw ravager
Avatar
Charge
Demo during charge right before mobs
Profit
Or just hold demo
sick sentinel
hmm fair enough
chilly brook
Since you're not really needing to throw it on CD like you would if running BV
sick sentinel
i guess you keep avatar mostly for snap threat on big pulls
sweet summit
i recommend using AM
chilly brook
^
primal nimbus
AM is so nice to play with, it's like being a fury warrior popping CDs every single pull
sweet summit
chilly brook
Ok is bedtime
cinder nova
AM is so nice to play with, it's like being a fury warrior popping CDs every sin...
It's why I play warrior tbh. It feels more visceral and brainy in terms of required mental throughput.
Plus the interplay with AM and rage expense, SR cheese, etc.
It's just a really engaging tank spec.
Honestly if DK didn't feel so slow by comparison I might've played it instead.
BDK requires some serious wrinkles
primal nimbus
It's why I play warrior tbh. It feels more visceral and brainy in terms of requi...
I just enjoy facetanking everything, miss me with that kiting shit
jolly swift
anyone got an easy ignorepain/shield block WA laying around?
strong forum
primal nimbus
anyone got an easy ignorepain/shield block WA laying around?
If it's to track uptime just make an icon wa and set trigger to aura and tick the "show cooldown" in display tap.
jolly swift
cheers
pine cypress
Which better for Nadjia, Exacting Preparation or Dauntess Duelist for single target?
Also, Does EP affect permenant weapon chants or only the oils/stones?
topaz dragon
Avatar is free stonks
@strong forum As a BDK, seeing melee as my highest, or one of my highest dmg sources is so depressing. Almost like my skills dont matter.
pine cypress
I mean, if I could use that warlock one, it'd be niffty
pine cypress
Are there any new class conduits coming??
strong forum
Not that I know of
jagged pier
50% uptime on 60 main stat sounds a bit meh
strong forum
It's better than brutal vit or fueled by violence
jagged pier
Yer
strong forum
jagged pier
But im trying to compare them to PV unvering and stalwart
strong forum
Well we will have access to more conduit slots
jagged pier
True
jagged pier
The healing one for a 3rd endurance slots dont sound bad
Better than BV and fuled anyways
Guess we will have to see
timber jasper
50% uptime on 60 main stat sounds a bit meh
I read that it's 100 on a specific ilvl
lucid sand
120 main stat with 50% uptime isn't terrible
pine cypress
Bare in mind those numbers likely arent final yet, either
jagged pier
Its not a lot of main stats tbh even at 100
And if thats max lvl most people wont even get it at that
sweet summit
just dont force me into another tier of show of force...
sweet summit
3p is possible
strong forum
Can thank fury for that one
sweet summit
yw
lucid sand
yw
jagged pier
Well thank blizzard really for bad design
strong forum
:angery:
lucid sand
honestly, it was a poorly designed conduit
sweet summit
:xeosL:
lucid sand
that was only comparable in high aoe on one spec
lucid sand
the nersf it received were an overreaction, at the minimum
strong forum
It was cuz fury could cleave it
jagged pier
Well design 4 covenants and 12 soulbind to be within 1% of yet other for all classes and specs
strong forum
That's why it got nerfed
jagged pier
strong forum
If would be fine if you can't cleave it onto 5 targets
But then you have the shiny button
jagged pier
Let me cleave SS into 5 targets
strong forum
jagged pier
strong forum
Fury doesn't deserve MS
lucid sand
fury gets nuked in pvp
strong forum
As it should
lucid sand
back to the original topic, for the other 3 covenants, I can't think of the main stat buff being potent enough to replace the reduced AA cd and damge or the Spear buff conduits
lucid sand
and consider that our stats are also going up as well
strong forum
That's still good
jagged pier
Like noone had 226 conduits
lucid sand
so it will be more like 4%
lucid sand
approximately
lucid sand
everything is better than show
lucid sand
please rework prot pot conduits blizz
jagged pier
But it also gives rage gen that conduit
strong forum
Yes that's what makes PV better
jagged pier
I would say equal maybe slightly less
lucid sand
depends on the content
merry quail
Hi guys, dumb question cause m going to try prot as venth warrior for casual keys : what covenant do you recommend? Thanks
(I have reprisal)
strong forum
For casual keys doesn't matter
merry quail
Yeah I guess but I'd prefer not make it harder for no reason
strong forum
Then venth and necro are the worst choices
merry quail
Ok that doesn't help
merry quail
Well I won't so what's next
strong forum
Venthyr
Necro in casual play is by far the worst
Venthyr isn't good, but it'll get the job done
merry quail
Oh sorry my question was not correct, I meant what soulbind not what covenant sorry sorry
merry quail
Thanks dude
wraith surge
hi guys i know that u probably get this question a lot, but ive been struggling on my prot warrior on 14-15 keys
can some1 look at my character and tell me whats wrong
i need some tips for 9.1 :)
lime urchin
Post logs for help, not a rio page 🙂
jagged pier
Logs or a video will help a lot more than character sheet
graceful cobalt
hi i got on vault 226 legs with haste/mastery and trinket what heals me if i used it what should i take? Legs i play with legendaries
sweet summit
is that trinket slimy consumptive organ by any chance?
sweet summit
its terrible
id take legs in case you play with another legendary/another spec someday
graceful cobalt
ok i can build feet with repisal
graceful cobalt
or i can play with Wall on shoulders
graceful cobalt
ok trinkets blood scale i use with pvp haste trinket also on 220 i have phial
wraith surge
Post logs for help, not a rio page 🙂
alr sry will do now!
PF we had a leaver
NW we depleted it by 5 mins or something
jagged pier
Im not a pc so cant check blocked hits if someone can do that for me i can do the rest
Your casts are stupidly low, your runnin at like 45 CPM, where you should be around 60
This is bad because you are loosing out on so much rage over the dungeon
For instance id exepct your SS casts to be around 10-12 CPMs and TC around 10 yours are like 8 and six
So your missing out on around 100 rage a minute
wraith surge
oh my... 100 rage sounds like a lot
also i just feel like im taking too much dmg
idk if that has to do with my cpm
cuz i have to spam Ignore pain to stay alive
jagged pier
This is why i wanted to check blockes hits
But i cant im not at a pc
You should never need to spam IP
Your casting it far to much
Revenge should be your top cast ability
At like 13 casts per mintue
wraith surge
revenge?! dude i thought revenge was some kind of rage dumper
jagged pier
Its our main damage ability
And IP is our rage dumb it doesnt keep you alive thats what sheild block is for
Your cds usage isnt great as well your running AM which means you SW if on a 1:30min ish cd u used it 8 times in 42 mins
And last u didnt use much more
And your running unerving which makes LS insane as it it give so much rage for ither magic damage reduction or dps
LS and SW arent oh shit buttons they are part of our rotation
As your running repirsal you should he using BSC as it does more damage than BV and you dont need the rage
@sweet summit or @strong forum can u check blocked hits im on mah phone
strong forum
I'm also on phone
jagged pier
F
jagged pier
:O
wraith surge
im kinda lost, what you mean by "your running AM"
jagged pier
Your using anger management talent
strong forum
jagged pier
Thought so
strong forum
God gamer phone User here
jagged pier
wraith surge
thanks ^^
jagged pier
So for reprisal thats a pretty low blocked hits as well
You probablu arent managing your shield block correctly which is why u feel like you need to spam IP all the time
This all sort of leads back to low spell usage
For instance u have less rage you cant SB when you need to
wraith surge
i feel like im using SB on cd tho
jagged pier
You also have low intervene casts its cd is 30 secs and you should use it on cd with reprisal u have 22 casts in 42 mins
Yer but you could be wasting it
You dont just use it on cd
wraith surge
oooh that makes sense
jagged pier
You use it when you are being meleed
Like there loads of times in NW where things just cast
And arent hitting you you put shield block up then its useless
TLDR you need to press your button more like way more
And you need to manage shield block more effectivly
And not just dump rage in IP
wraith surge
okok, ty so much dude i appreciate the help!!
ill just have to "study" where to SB
and manage better LS and SW
jagged pier
For instance it doesnt matter if you use shield on cd to start with
But LS and SW can be used as filler when u dont have sheild block
And things like if a pack are dying or your kiting or there are casts going off u dont need shield block just save it
fleet river
Shield block can be up nearly the whole time on most trash packs. Between shield block, shockwave, and other CC you should really aim for it to feel like 100% even if it's only 75%
jagged pier
But get your CPM up first tbh youll have much more rage to play with
Like a good number of blocked hits to aim for with reprisal overall is 80%
With some builds/play u can get 100
fleet river
Basically the pack should be mostly dead by the time you start running out of options for shield block
wraith surge
also ive been wondering, while im on LS buff what should i do?
fleet river
Don't Die
wraith surge
Basically the pack should be mostly dead by the time you start running out of op...
yeah that was also a problem
jagged pier
Whatever you need to with unvering you will get loads of rage so dumb IP till u have it twice then spam revenge
wraith surge
idk if i was anticipating my cds but when i had nothing the pack was still alive
fleet river
Tank survivability heavily depends on dps doing their job well
brittle silo
Yo bois, quick question from fellow war. I'm maining fury from like forever and trying prot every now and than. I'm pretty sure how to utilize reprisal leggo and feel pretty confident with that but the question is about reverb one. Reverb is a shitton of damage and there's no better feeling than spitting on some dps in the meter below you kek. I couldn't find anything about playing with reverb so if u got any idea what should I focus on and what numbers should I expect (blocks, rage waste, mitig etc) I would be glad for any suggestions.
100% parse for attention, running with cheat death trinko for safety reasons ^^:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yxaKwzgjDQnB1ZP4#fight=last&type=damage-done
strong forum
The thing you're giving up by playing seismic is a ton of survivability, like alot
You only have 60% blocked hits
jagged pier
Parse in m+ means nothing tbh, and reverb is only used for damage like only that you get not defensive value out of it so your mitigation is uber low
U can run reverb in low keys
And mists
Thats it
strong forum
In mists you can get away with playing seismic, but generally it's not worth. It's not even that much of a dmg gain, your 4.8k log dps can be achieved with playing reprisal aswell but you'd have 85% blocked hits
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
It's fun if you fully commit to mongo dps
With seismic
But it's not recommended for anything but keys below 20
Around 20 I guess you can still play it, but with Bolster
And then you might aswell not play seismic
Cuz why play seismic + bolster when you could run reprisal + am
Ya know
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
Regarding tips, you could defo focus more on pressing buttons. 10 cpm of SS is relatively low
And with playing seismic I think you can get those revenge casts higher
Ooooh
You ran booming voice
That's a HUGE DPS LOSS when playing seismic
No wonder you didn't do more
@brittle silo
You absolutely need to play BSC with Seismic
Aswell as your trinket choice is overkill. But you're not a pwar main so I guess...
You didn't waste notable amounts of rage so that's fine.
Just could generate a bit more, press SS a bit more, spec BSC instead of booming and yeah that's pretty much it combined with what I said generally regarding the legendary
jagged pier
'Point up'
brittle silo
@strong forum yea, fully agree with reprisal dmg and survivability. I think I can use it, thats why i didnt send u reprisal log (but will try to get one in a while). Reverb is my goto on weeklies just for the memes. about BV vs BSC it was the run i tried BV to add up 20% dmg buff for all (Rava + aftershock etc).
About CPM, should I prio SS over revenge on trash, i'll get deeper into log but pretty sure SS was down for revenge spam
Anyway, thanks for analysis and tips 😉
And in addition, I dont plan using reverb on anything higher than ~17-18. I like my HP nice and above 0 😄 ^^ Maybe I'll get into tanking more in 9.1 so i'll get some more 'on the go' knowledge.
Last thing I wouldn't mind for any info is what trinket should I get for that key? Scale + phial / SLG / decanter? Or sunking + one of them, or anything else u'd guys recommend?
ember quartz
question, how much haste is too much haste for prot?
jagged pier
There isnt too much
jagged pier
<@!192743144276623360> yea, fully agree with reprisal dmg and survivability. I t...
The damage buff from BV is far less than you buffing all your revengs and second revenge damage
Like its not even close
jagged pier
And in addition, I dont plan using reverb on anything higher than ~17-18. I like...
Theres a pin on when to use sunking trinket, honestly scale and phial is fine but in less than 20 i run phial +hymnal/decanter
You dont really need the defnesive trinket at thoughs lvls
brittle silo
You dont really need the defnesive trinket at thoughs lvls
Thanks! I saw that pin on al'ar but I wasn't sure if full monke revenge spam is counting as misplay (point no 2) or good idea.
Anyway, again thx for your time.
Take care & stay safe guys!
tough eagle
can someone tell me whats the best covenant to run for mythic keys???
i hope you dont say night fae
jagged pier
Its NF or kyrian
If your not gunna raid then its skews even more towards NF
That being said as prot you can be any cov you want they are all pretty close
And none will hold you back
tough eagle
Okay im Kyrian i just hit level 33 in my covenant
sick sentinel
And none will hold you back
except for ven/nec in m+
empty path
can someone tell me whats the best covenant to run for mythic keys???
Spear of Bastion is pretty strong kite mechanics in m+, I can highly recommend it 🙂
jagged pier
except for ven/nec in m+
Both are fine the top prot in the world was venthyr for a very long time
modern brook
<@!192743144276623360> yea, fully agree with reprisal dmg and survivability. I t...
You SS > revenge in trash to maintain rage generation so that you can revenge more in the fight.
brittle silo
You SS > revenge in trash to maintain rage generation so that you can revenge mo...
Thats pretty obvious. The highest dps spikes I get is while I'm on ravager + aftershock and I'm literally flooding in rage than. I feel like additional shieldslams would overcap me on rage, but will get a look into that. Probably can squish some more ss's into the fight. Thanks!
wild sandal
anyone has a prot war vod of sludge mythic, i couldnt fine any for sense on his twich
jagged pier
I have a whole video but its centered more around how to uae reprisal on the fight
sick sentinel
Both are fine the top prot in the world was venthyr for a very long time
my transmog is demanding i go venthyr for the shield
wild sandal
I have a whole video but its centered more around how to uae reprisal on the fig...
For a first time, would u advice to use that or the wall? Also I see some use HR on that boss, better than Anger management?
Would love the vid also if u can link
jagged pier
Its a fight made for repisal and that alone gives you 100% block
sick sentinel
jagged pier
U dont need hr
sick sentinel
i dont see how it could look much better
wild sandal
Thank you
strong forum
Even with wall + am you can get 100% blocked hits, reprisal just makes it 20x easier ( and more dmg)
Playing HR in raid is just plain stupid
wooden radish
@ionic fern is this good for pot woyer? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/448862929564205078/852184529580982282/unknown.png
signal plover
Don't take Lincoln seriously
sick sentinel
that's like 200 or 2000 hp every 10 seconds
signal plover
He is simply Mwahi's biggest fan
sick sentinel
that sounds like absolute dog shit
it's also an endurance conduit which we have stalwart guardian reduce SW cd as our main one
strong forum
we get access to more conduitslots in 9.1
empty path
we get access to more conduitslots in 9.1
when you start talk about 9.1., what is your opinion for soulbind as kyrian ? Mikanikos looks sick, but dunno 🙂
sick sentinel
see what happens when we get there
strong forum
when you start talk about 9.1., what is your opinion for soulbind as kyrian ? Mi...
Mikanikos seems to be really nice for m+ yes, and Pelagos will prolly remain the defensive pick, Kleia still for necrotic weeks
jagged pier
Mik 📈
wooden radish
He is simply Mwahi's biggest fan
im not his biggest fan. im his cat
signal plover
tame jasper
how about can equip 2 legendaries, leaper and reprisal
2 legs not before final content patch of the extension
mild dawn
need to tank today the first boss mythic any things i need to consider (special cd for the tank hit or something like this)?
strong forum
have fun
first boss is just taunt on 10
whoever doesnt have the debuff, tanks. thats it
jagged pier
First boss is easier than last 3 hc well used to be after the nerfs to the last 3 no clue anymore
mild dawn
what would be better signet 235 or reprisal 190 don't really think there is much chance to charge
strong forum
on first boss id run signet tbh
the boss is so easy
trying to get charges in when youre "scared" of it can fuck up shit
jagged pier
Homest i basicslly just charge when im about to taunt or if there are adds
Otherwise nah
strong forum
breh its shriek only
you can defo get charges in for a bit more rage and the revenge proc
but if youre not confident you can also just run signet and call it a day on shriek
mild dawn
thanks will see hopefully i can just dps and our maintank do all the shit 😄
steady slate
i could use some advice on heroic sire. phase 1 is fine. we plow through that, but phase 2 is just messy. all kinds of stuff going on. i'm trying to keep straight whether i should be on boss or sword, and it's just really hectic.
we're trying to get our raid team in place for 9.1, and i'm afraid i'm not making a very good impression as a tank
i'm trying, but shit just keeps going wrong.
primal nimbus
i could use some advice on heroic sire. phase 1 is fine. we plow through that,...
You swap on every wracking pain
Try to hit the cabalist with wracking pain, but don't hit the entire raid doing so
steady slate
i keep getting fussed at for that. not hitting the raid, i know better than that, but not hitting the cabalist, because i'm playing hot foot trying to stay out of the crap on the ground and sire always seems to be facing the wrong way when wracking pain hits
positioning in phase 3 is where i really struggle, other than getting turned around when i'm going through mirrors
primal nimbus
Well he will always do a wracking shortly after cabalist spawns, and then one more 15ish seconds after that, followed up by hand of destruction so plan for that
wooden radish
<:clowning:745703559202603121>
primal nimbus
P3 is mostly about moving him into soaks so melee will help soak, standing close to middle prior to ravage, and moving to an edge/corner before hand of destruction
steady slate
if i were to compare how i feel phase 2 with the mirrors to real life, the comparison that comes to mind is when i try to fire a Beretta 9mm one-handed. the weapon doesn't sit well in my hand, so when i fire it, it twists and i have to pause to reorient it before i fire again. that's how i feel when i go through the mirrors.
primal nimbus
As in physical discomfort or as in not used to it?
primal nimbus
Yea I get that too, it helps me to visualize where I wanna end up after going through the mirror, you don't have to rush to the adds, so you should have a moment to orient yourself
steady slate
i think it's a "me" thing too, because i'm having similar problems with other dungeons. yesterday i accidentally pulled the first gatekeeper in NW when i intended to pull the pack to the right of it because i got disoriented.
primal nimbus
How long have you been tanking?
steady slate
i don't recall this happening before, at least not to this degree. i've been tanking off and on since vanilla, but i've put serious effort into learning to be a better tank in the past couple months.
primal nimbus
Might just be nerves then, sounds like you are trialing for a tank spot?
wooden radish
steady slate
yeah. and it's not going very well. the expectation is that i should be easily timing 15s, but i'm struggling to get 13s and 14s done in time.
i got some advice from the folks here a few weeks ago that pointed me in the right direction with my logs.
timber jasper
Timing 15s is not just part of the tank 😉
steady slate
it's an expectation the guild has, and i need to meet it
primal nimbus
Unless you are dying every other pull or doing super tiny pulls its most likely not just your fault those keys aren't being timed
steady slate
is there any way i can make that gif stop looping? it's really annoying.
i'm trying to keep pulls reasonable, a couple - three packs at a time. i've been learning how to make routes with mdt. sometimes i use dratnos' or others, but i'd like to use my own.
primal nimbus
Are you running the keys with the guild?