We use 3
#protection
strong forum
jagged pier
Allows the none alchs to take a second on 1 cauldron
strong forum
Cuz 30 flasks, which covers half the raid with a double
jagged pier
gaunt dawn
DK still had 1.5h from last week
monk had 1h from last week
no new mats for next tier
so stock up while its cheap
👼
blazing condor
obv too early to tell but im impatient yall think the 15% dmg buff anima power will be the play?
daring bay
Anyone know what the haste requirements for a 12 sec shield block is? thats when you can do 3 shield blocks in a row right?
sweet summit
22%+15%
jagged pier
daring bay
sweet summit
strong forum
16sec base CD
Take away 1/4th
And you got your answer
It's 25%. If nobody got that yet
strong forum
The famous "22% haste cap" from bfa was because its what you needed for the 3 SBs back to back guaranteed with 1 ITF stack
Aka guaranteed at all situations
That's what some m+ people made up as being a "cap"
Which was just flat out wrong to call it that
unique shale
Any tip for stone legion mythic ?
unique shale
jagged pier
There arent really any tipsnit all depends on how your guild does the fight
sweet summit
oh was it 1 stack
jagged pier
Like i tried to help ppl but they did it a completely different way
So i couldnt really help tbh
As my timings were all different
unique shale
would be ideal to go kyrain for this fight or night fea ?
jagged pier
It doesnt matter
unique shale
stacks hurts so much in mythic or not ?
jagged pier
Couldnt tell u i didnt tank kaal
unique shale
yeah adds do more physical damage so its ideal to war tank it
jagged pier
The only time i tanked kaal wss final phase and it wasnt for every long
But yes dependant on other tank
Warrior should take adds
And having adds is good for reprisal
unique shale
yeah icy veins says i should aim to have highest uptime on SB
unique shale
And having adds is good for reprisal
do you have macro to cancel intervene for co tank ?
strong forum
/cancelaura Intervene?
Slg is pretty light on tank dmg tbh
Kaal doesn't hurt, only the bleeds do once you have 3 or more stacks
On grashaal you swap on 2
Positioning is also pretty simple, just don't stand in the blades and stay close to raid
jagged pier
do you have macro to cancel intervene for co tank ?
What nome said if the co tank just macronthats into his spells
Before the /cast it will work
My dh put it on all his spells
daring bay
You are overestimating what allot of co tanks are willing to do for you
My co tank is our raidleader and he can barely taunt on the third "taunt call"
strong forum
I often had to spam scream for taunt cuz my cotank had nothing to do besides ook ook boss, and I was always hyperfocus RL
Kinda jealous ngl
I wish I could ook ook boss..
jagged pier
I mean its not hard to do takes like 5 mins if your co tank doesnt want to do it mabye have a word, but tbh only for sludge it matters on slg i was just intervening random ppl who came close
strong forum
Or just don't intervene cotank
Idk why people think they'd have to intervene the cotank
When there are literally 18 other targets to intervene
I intervened only cotank when I know it would be beneficial for him
jagged pier
I mean also that
Im just lazy and co tank is usualy closest
Exepct my hpala is my intervene target on sire just because he is usually the closest
jagged pier
True
Though
Just intervene other ppl
Sadge times next tier looking like im getting a new cotank that i cant abuse
jagged pier
I would, but hes an officer dont get me wrong a good player and a good co tank, but getting him to macro stuff is big nah
strong forum
Literally on our first raid night I said I'm not tanking with a low dmg turtle bitch
But Im also officer and RL so maybe that has slightly more authenticity
jagged pier
Well yer thats why he doesnt like tanking with me because he has to play aggresivly
And its a reason why we find it hard to find good co tanks for me
jagged pier
All the way bad on krosus, a old guild tank came back and filled a spot
He was a paladin and was steuggling to hold aggro
And then was blaming me
The officers were like he literally just playing the game
XD
We went through like 5 co tank in ToS
But not all because of me it was ToS
But alot of the players in our guild dont like tanking tbh they should just out source instead of rotate theiugh players
Like my co tank atm itls great good fun play aggresivly but hes playing tank otherwise he would be benched as ret pala
strong forum
The struggle is real
jagged pier
Shhh monk udo damage anyway
jagged pier
Pog
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
Sk got some difficult dps checks
sick sentinel
yeah, i was watching their stream when it happened which is how i know they got so excited
quick question p1 of gnome twins DoS, it's best to take him to the middle? (sham suggested it) and whole party needs to block pink beams or just me
sick sentinel
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1045032819 kill starts at 1h:11m, and they started work on seed guy last night after
daring bay
Does shieldblock have a "cap" or can i stack it for aslong as i can make it stack?
sweet summit
max 18 seconds without last stand w/ bolster
blazing condor
Yeah yogi i think the beams only spawn on milhouse’s side of the room
Meaning taking him to the edge of the half-circle can help with positioning for beams
honest plinth
quick question p1 of gnome twins DoS, it's best to take him to the middle? (sham...
Yes. And not only you.
lime urchin
do yall then take lady millhouse to the edge of the room or tank her in the middle?
some dps requested me tonking her at the edge for easier bomb management
(I am not entirely familiar with how annoying doing those bombs is as dps)
crude jolt
I usually keep her in the middle and try to click bombs as they spawn -- not a great personal success rate, though
You can turn your camera and keep your cursor on her and spam click
lime urchin
yes I tried that a couple of times, not succesfully yet tho
crude jolt
I've probably hit 15-20% personally, but it can help
sick sentinel
i probably want to keep LS until lady millhouse comes out too, like around 2 stacks, i think, i was using LS on mr gnome and it wasn't the right call
ruby steppe
hey, how can I find the "don't kick - spell reflection" WA?
ruby steppe
haha yes i was searching there but typed the wrong terms I guess^^ Tyvm! 🙂
just found it
sick sentinel
entirely possible that someone created it from scratch
is it okay if i ask you for link?
ruby steppe
distant crystal
i don't have defensive trinkets on DH :*(
I got a scale on my moonkin but no scale/heart on DH
honest plinth
do yall then take lady millhouse to the edge of the room or tank her in the midd...
in the middle also press v when tanking her so you can despawn like 90% of bombs
honest plinth
I got a scale on my moonkin but no scale/heart on DH
bear is superior next season
lime urchin
in the middle also press v when tanking her so you can despawn like 90% of bombs
Uh, press v? What this magic button you speak of?
honest plinth
hide her nameplate
also dont stay near melee clasees
you can sometimes click on them and not on the bomb
lime urchin
But v is fear!
honest plinth
so you need to do some high iq things and look in options to bind it haha
drifting oasis
could be handy assigning an "Interact with Mouseover" key bind, it's good in WSG for fast returning flags when bound to mousewheel down
rancid ember
Gotta spam click so your APM look good.
blazing condor
for milificent i just hold my cursor right where it turns into a sword and just spam click
Works ever tim
mellow bridge
I'm not sure about clicking bombs as the tank lads
you cant block during the channel so she just wrecks you
that's usually the healer's job
median tulip
her melee ain't shit to worry about
chilly brook
The only thing that does damage is the bleed
fiery warren
Does anyone know if I have to stay near the 2 targets I want to give the mastery to with Banner, or does it stay on the same target regardless if I move away?
Considering rerolling necro, but don't know if I want to min/max that hard with position relative to dps players
strong forum
closest 2 targets applied, but after you use it it stays on them
and it is hard to minmax
relatively
rancid ember
Now run the Anima Cage trinket and go full simp 
rancid ember
I should get one of those for fun tbh. Prob fun to mess around with when selling keys or w/e.
Or them NW Weapons O.o
obtuse marsh
boys did you try new affix on ptr ?
ionic fern
Yes.
obtuse marsh
ofc, on my dk i did so much big pull that was insane
ionic fern
i did +15 hoa my ass get destroyed
We also did a +15 hoa..timed it even with derping around a bunch.
Half way through the dungeon i realized i don't need to look for perfect percentages.
😂
2 of the mini bosses were meh..2 can be troublesome.:(
obtuse marsh
idk if that was a dps/heal problem but i felt paper, after tried dk ( i did better pull thanks death strike ) im gonna try druid and dh
this new affix is like s4 bfa without fun
strong forum
i think thats just cuz of SL
amber herald
there are scaling bugs on ptr, people doing 15's with 200ilvl gear instead of 226
toxic kelp
On naowh stream i saw that he needs to relog in order to scale properly inside dungeon
obtuse marsh
Yeah before key start you relog, if not you stay scale at 170
honest plinth
21-22s
I dont think so
They have too low hp
I did few 15s and its more like 18 or something like that in terms of killing speed
chilly brook
But due to K value dmg intake is like 21-22
Yay for k value making sure you dont actually feel like you're scaling defensively
strong forum
It hurts dps more than it hurts tanks
Cuz they don't get nearly as much defensives out of gear than tanks do
mellow quartz
the K value is just making your armor do less though so that should not be an issue?
strong forum
Usually at max gear tanks are unaffected by the K changes, but dps are actually weaker defensively in the long run
strong forum
the K value is just making your armor do less though so that should not be an is...
60%+ of dmg taken is physical, and it affects block aswell
So yes, it is an issue early on.
Look at it like this, with a 226 shield, you block roughly 35% of incoming dmg in mythic Castle nathria, with a 226 shield you only block about 15% dmg in sanctum mythic
Just because of K value
Ontop of your armor doing less
chilly brook
the K value is just making your armor do less though so that should not be an is...
Well you see all active mitigation is armor my guy
strong forum
^
mellow quartz
thought it was just armor, block and stagger
chilly brook
Block literally just boosts your armor to the % reduction
mellow quartz
yeah thats what I said lol
chilly brook
Just like block
K value just straight devalues everything as soon as the new patch comes out
You never actually grow
strong forum
^
chilly brook
You just get regression and then get to come back to the point you were at maybe a little higher at max gear for new patch
strong forum
It's there to prevent tanks from scaling into infinite dmg reduction
But dps get also fucked in the process
Which is quite the design oversight
That never got adressed
strong forum
It is
mellow quartz
why should dps armor values not get devalued? otherwise later on in the expansion dps would take substantially less damage from physical attacks
strong forum
Because its only thought out for tanks
But dps lose actually armor
Whereas tanks just stay on the same level
chilly brook
why should dps armor values not get devalued? otherwise later on in the expansio...
Because it's a regression and not a progression?
strong forum
Dps lose more armor compared to tanks, on a relativity level
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
tried again, same thing nearly
strong forum
In patch 9.0 a plate dps reduces ( im throwing arbitrary numbers here) dmg by 20%through armor, by patch 9.2 it'll only be 15% or w/e even with max gear
sick sentinel
man gnome cast of his ultimate spell and wiped us (pretty sure thats either laser or spikes)
stark sage
they should just rework armor completely, dont have it scale off ilvl at all
and then let tanks defensives scale completely off of stats and block value
sturdy sable
Should have been stoped by line @sick sentinel your DPS effed up
strong forum
^
chilly brook
they should just rework armor completely, dont have it scale off ilvl at all
and...
That's too smart
And they'd hate it
Because it devalues ilvl
strong forum
Or just make armor DR
stark sage
just tie armor to the actual level requirements of the item
strong forum
And don't increase K value
strong forum
Then we'd get legion again
strong forum
And blizzard is terrified of tanks being actual tanks
Literally traumatised
Tanks need to require healers to live and should struggle and and only hold aggro and not deal dps
That's what blizz wants
chilly brook
strong forum
But hey, then nobody plays tank again besides cucks
So they start buffing tanks again
Step by step
sick sentinel
how about a flat magic reduction stat on armor ilvl all that shit, and then you can proc 1% fire res "titanforging" or buy it for 500 valor and equip it to gear, replaces your +leech/speed
strong forum
And then they get traumatised again
chilly brook
Weird how theres a tank shortage but they keep taking steps to make tanks less fun and worse
I wonder if theres a correlation, nah couldn't be
strong forum
Cuz everytime tank is fun blizzard decides to kill the role
sick sentinel
and so, leather and cloth protect slightly more against magic than it does against melee, and vice versa
strong forum
There are many solutions
sick sentinel
you lose a minue amount of spell red on plate/chain
strong forum
strong forum
As long as there are enough people willing to suffer through raiding, that won't change
And raid tanks are precisely the "I only hold aggro and ultra turtle" players
sick sentinel
well, i can pop a potion to give me more stamina, or more armor, or i can pop one that gives str or a stat and lets me deal damage and move the timer of the key ahead faster because more dps
i wonder which one i chose
stark sage
remember when armor gave AP
chilly brook
This depressing topic is great to take my mind off actually being depressed with jobs that lead you on and then after saying they're going to hire you hire someone else
strong forum
So many sad tanks out there only playing the "I need to be the most defensive and dmg doesn't matter" raid tank types
chilly brook
rancid ember
As someone who is currently trying to hire 2 people I feel personally attacked
sick sentinel
So many sad tanks out there only playing the "I need to be the most defensive an...
it's one of those things that can't be taught to you though right
sick sentinel
if you don't believe you can do it, or that this method works, they never bother tryin
strong forum
It can only be taught if you're willing to learn
I dunno, seems common sense to me that you can overkill on survival for no actual gain
chilly brook
@rancid ember to be fair in my case I did 2 interviews with them, attended one of their services/live broadcasts did a few things while there to make their broadcast look better and then after being told by the technical director they were going to hire me I get a call from HR telling me they're going with someone else that I wasn't even made aware of that they had another applicant
chilly brook
I dunno, seems common sense to me that you can overkill on survival for no actua...
100%, see all of BFA season 4 warriors stacking vers in 15s
rancid ember
Ok I don't lead on that strong damn. That's a feelbadman fuck em
I definitely once in a while get that solid interview early in the day that sticks out, but then like the last guy comes in and blows em all away.
I stacked versa cause I didn't want to need a healer to carry my friends
But then I got to TD4 and never looked back...
chilly brook
Ok I don't lead on that strong damn. That's a feelbadman fuck em
I definitely on...
Yea I'm legit kinda just in a I can't be bothered to do anything mood from that bombshell just being dropped on me last night
strong forum
I played td4+it2+whatever I could fit in
It was literally the optimal setup for anything lower than 25
rancid ember
I started playing retail again in BFA well after N'zoth was dead. Corruption vendor and all that existed so I was thrown into some fucked up stuff
distant crystal
That was the pinnacle
rancid ember
Got up to 20 keys tho so I was proud of that atleast. You made fun of me back then cause I wanted to stack Versa
rancid ember
Yea I'm legit kinda just in a I can't be bothered to do anything mood from that ...
Sorry bro that's rough. Hope it all works out for the better!
chilly brook
You and me both
rancid ember
You US or EU?
strong forum
And I'll keep making fun of people stacking vers
At this point it's a severe grudge for me
rancid ember
Don't ever change Nom
After that I went to TD and realized I fell for the versa baits
Wasted so many echoes...
strong forum
Always play max dmg, afterwards you start building defensively when you know that you need more defensives now.
Not the other way around.
inland raft
Vers is nice just not the god stat people seem to think it is
hoary jackal
What’s wrong with being the ‘I care about defense’ and not DPS type of tank? I have my most fun when I have to plan through all my cooldowns. Give me more cooldowns to play with and throw more damage at me, i’m carrying a shield for a reason. And it’s not DPS. I want to feel like playing well meant tanking more and taking more hits and still surviving
strong forum
Because in 99%of cases you're overkilling defensives
There is such a thing as "too much defense"
You already lived, what more can you do?
Live harder?
Nobody gives a fuck if you required 1 less heal from a healer or not
And thats about the extend of value it would have
hoary jackal
Then blizz didn’t throw enough things at us that need defensive. Don’t just give me 1 mechanic. Give me 3 to deal with
strong forum
Well, but that's not on you to gear for 3 things, when only 1 exists
Ykno
Kinda wasted
You do what you enjoy, nobody stops you from doing so
But it's just not optimal
hoary jackal
True dat. I like mythic council of blood on my DK because I actually have to think through every cooldown and when to use it.
strong forum
Eh
If you swap on 2 it's pretty much a non factor
But thats bdk, you die if you don't chain CDs
Can't tank without a CD up for prolonged times, that's how the class is designed
hoary jackal
Not tanked P3 on warrior. But you can’t swap on 2 there 🙂
strong forum
P3 on warri you go to 7-8 stacks on nik
sturdy sable
Always play max dmg, afterwards you start building defensively when you know tha...
This is the mantra i live by and what i tell people learning to tank
strong forum
If you play it safe you get bopped on 5-6 stacks
And then you Gucci
Kiting the add that's a bitch and a half job tho
Much scarier than tanking nik
hoary jackal
We just kill the big add
chilly brook
You US or EU?
Good old US of A
flint tiger
Thats one thing I never quite understood with tank mentality. Why people want it to only being about pure survivabilty, instead of doing as much damage as possible and making sure you can still live has always confused me.
In my mind, the latter always seems much harder than just "yo I know how to use CDs to not have zero HP at X time"
Also why I enjoy m+ tanking way more than raid tanking I think.
strong forum
Always start max dam, and then crank up defensives as you need it.
It's a much much smarter approach
Imo
flint tiger
Does haste provide more of a damage boost for AoE than like vers though? Part of why I like vers is that it's both DR and increased dmg
strong forum
Idk
Haven't simmed since raid release
Vers is aight offensively
But haste scaled really well into aoe in bfa
flint tiger
That and like on the 20 keys and high bleed/magic damage is absolutely terrifying lol
strong forum
Eh idk
Can always play better / plan CDs better
If people can do 26s with 20% vers and live
I'm sure you can live 20s with 0 vers
:)
rancid ember
Tbf I didn't play WoW since WoTLK at the time. Tank DPS was a Meh thing back then. It was all about being tanky boy. I didn't know how the game evolved through BFA but I def like this style of tanking alot more.
flint tiger
Definitely true, but a lot of the time it's dependent on making sure you DPS properly play. If your dps fuckup kicks, it's RIP lol
strong forum
Cuz the only thing existed prior to legion was raid tanking
rancid ember
True
flint tiger
So the vers increases error margins really lol
If vers was pure DR only though, I wouldn't like it much.
strong forum
Raiding is a horrible benchmark in general
Outside of dps
Survival is a given if you don't play like a donkey
amber herald
raid tanking should feel epic but it's usually a snorefest
doesn't help tank mechanics are usually way simpler than the dps/heal so you're there doing the same thing over and over again waiting for the other 18 monkeys to get it together
strong forum
Scripted content doesn't ever feel epic.
Same as cutscenes can't be epic
"oh wow this things that's supposed to happen is happening right now"
chilly brook
Same as cutscenes can't be epic
Hard disagree
strong forum
Unpopular opinion I know
chilly brook
I mean wrath gate was pretty epic
stark sage
But I haven't ever felt epic seeing a cutscene
do you mean like; the sensation of awe
or like, your character being epic
because a lot of blizz cutcenes and cinematics are pretty epic
chilly brook
Illidan slapping Xe'ra was epic
chilly brook
The troll is real
strong forum
Dogshit
Wrath was good true tho
Cuz it was a plot twist
And arthas was actually a good villian
stark sage
I wanted lightforged illidan
hey mods, get him
strong forum
That had proper buildup
Not this jailer sylvanas mishmash of nothingness
That gets dragged out
stark sage
the sylv x anduin cutscene was decent imo
strong forum
With mysteries left and right
stark sage
but bliz story telling is already off the deep end
strong forum
Not even interesting mysteries
stark sage
cant be salvaged
strong forum
They just don't tell a story right now
stark sage
that's because they have like 3 different writers who take turns piloting the story
or at least they did
strong forum
It's just "uuugh when is she gonna stop playing games"
Haha I was good, yes, no, evil, good? Evil!
Good?
Arthas we atleast chased from day 1
Always dangling infront of us
With clear intentions
stark sage
that's because bliz writing has a hardon for morally gray characters
stark sage
i mean there's no other solution tho
if she isnt all dragged out then all the sylv simps would feel slighted that their favorite character didnt get the proper screentime/ story arc
strong forum
How can she be a simped character when she was a side character for 4 xpacs
And then they made her into this slogfest that she is since legion
stark sage
like they wrote her whole personality into not having a concrete motivation
when it would've been much better if she was just flat out bad but had clear motivations like any properly written villain
but they dont want her to be a true villain, since sylv simps would riot
amber herald
inb4 she becomes a kyrian or some shit
little leaf
Protection warrior or brewmaster , which is better more fun
fleet river
They're both pretty fun
amber herald
warrior ofc
strong forum
Both are fast specs
Prot is tankier
Brew has more dmg
Prot is a bit harder
Brew has monk debuff
Warri has rallying cry and battleshout
Choose your poison
little leaf
Thanks mate
mighty valley
sounds and effects on warrior are more satisfying, to me
except revenge
which doesn't have like... a theme
chilly brook
I've been really enjoying BrM as an alt
Its in the best place it's been gameplay wise since WoD
mighty valley
yeah I like my brew alt, it's fun, just not super motivated to put a lot of time into a 2nd tank
dusky canopy
Protection warrior or brewmaster , which is better more fun
Both are great! I always bounce between the two and VDH
chilly brook
yeah I like my brew alt, it's fun, just not super motivated to put a lot of time...
I'd actually probably main mine tbh if we had another warrior in our raid
Although I think that says more about the state that prot is in post BFA than anything else
AKA me being jaded about how it used to be
little leaf
I'm debating between continue my brewmaster or leveling a warrior.
I enjoy tanking.
Tanked briefly as a DK and a little bit as a DH
chilly brook
Nothing to do with how it actually performs
chilly brook
I'm debating between continue my brewmaster or leveling a warrior.
I enjoy tanki...
They both offer a lot of skilled plays imo
Can't really go wrong either way
little leaf
Haha thats what I was afraid of, both sound rad.
I may have to play both to 60 then and see
elfin nova
🤔
mighty valley
genius level approach to statistics
olive cosmos
Lmao. It’s close dps wise
mighty valley
There's not a huge gap but we're overall a good notch below monks in all content
olive cosmos
Monk is technically above warrior on but there are 3 times more logs for brew than prot warrior. Plus if you look at warriors parsing in the 99th percentile they are actually above brewmaster in dps
mighty valley
It's fine overall tho, we're not clearly stone last any more like earlier in the patch
amber herald
isn't monk dps dependent on damage taken with the ox thing?
olive cosmos
Monk def better single target by a few hundred dps. I would say prot warriors smash any fight that has consistent aoe targets like mythic slg, council and huntsman
fleet river
isn't monk dps dependent on damage taken with the ox thing?
It is a component yes
mighty valley
There's a lot of avoidable damage in there haha
clever narwhal
isn't monk dps dependent on damage taken with the ox thing?
Yup ox and tod are big % of monks damage
haughty sleet
Brew smashed my rank 1 huntsman parse by 700 dps
sick sentinel
Healing Theater 17, every Scythe went unmitigated
carmine carbon
What are thoughts for Necro warrior legendary going into 9.1?
sweet summit
suboptimal in 99% of all cases
carmine carbon
I saw something that said it was okay and apparently it can go for over a minute with the right talent set up
sweet summit
you, as the banner caster, can get 40-70 seconds of 400 mastery
carmine carbon
Which would give more block and increase attack power
sweet summit
it would give more attack power and crit block yeah
you get 100% block from shield block, so that part of mastery is irrelevant :(
just waiting on sims to see if its better than reprisal for damage
carmine carbon
I mean I just rock The Wall all the time because I forget to swap for keys
mighty valley
remember that brief whiff of hype i got the day the venthyr one was announced? that was nice
sweet summit
if it worked like i hoped it would
topaz dragon
In DOS, how do I live through the 2nd bosses damage. Those bloods evicerate me
Ignore pain, doesnt really seem to actually help at ignoring the pain there
undone verge
dpsing makes me mad
like I just want to backseat tank the tank so bad but like Im not gonna cause that would be uncool
so im just internally screaming
undone verge
In DOS, how do I live through the 2nd bosses damage. Those bloods evicerate me
I...
we talking hakaar?
topaz dragon
gnomes
undone verge
usually just spell reflect frostbolt ignore pain uptime
dont be afraid to cooldown
I usually have to use LS there
topaz dragon
Yea, the one gnome that applies bleed gives me nightmares, but I just got my scale, so that will help.
Getting rid of the darkmoon deck makes me happy
sweet summit
blazing condor
Yea, the one gnome that applies bleed gives me nightmares, but I just got my sca...
it's a mix of having your CDs up and also having the DPS/Healing needed. Don't blow a CD when she's about to get stunned since you should be able to live those stacks. Spell reflect takes away 1 stack. Kyrian pot takes away everything. Other than that just use your Shield Walls, Last Stand, Demo Shout, Shield Block/IP/standard shit and it should be fine
people usually BL milificent and burst her as well cus she kind of trucks
but you can do all this and still die if you dont have enough dps or if your healer isnt comitting CDs to you
next goblet
does anyone have a weakaura they could link me.. i just want to see when SB is on me and IP is on me.. i used to have the 2 icons like to the left of my character when the buffs were on me with a timer.. but i cant remember how i did it
nevermind i just figured it out
topaz dragon
Yea, warrior does indeed feel like its made of paper when it comes to magic damage. >.>
blazing condor
yeah kind of
elfin surge
when you swap covenant, do the soulbinds that you collected on the previous covenant reset ?
mental scarab
elfin surge
so the collected conduit traits they carry over ?
im debating to switch from necro to kyrian for the pelagos spear and the krian pot instead of banner and fleshcraft
topaz dragon
Youll be reset on covenant campeign. Any Hall upgrades. And the Soulbind of your Cov ability
The other ones, will be kept
Like your class ones.
strong forum
youll keep your renown and anima(?)
on the old covenant
on the new covenant youll start at 0
elfin surge
and theres like what only 1 conduit that is specific to the old covenant, the other's at 226 stay ?
strong forum
ye
elfin surge
ooo okay im gonna try kyrian then 🙂
median tulip
You also keep the 2 universal adventure table characters at their level
slim walrus
Hello guys, i have a question about Ignore Pain. How can i determine its cap? Is it a certain % of my HP?
- If yes, does it get affected by Last Stand or Rallying Cry, since they increase my max HP?
sweet summit
2x tooltip value
inland raft
Based on ap
tame jasper
How do you play NW this week (range m+17-19)? I normally play: 1st boss with Pride and BL, 2nd with Pride, BL, Spear and Orb (2nd trash wave), 3rd with Pride, BL (if ready) and Spear, 4th with BL (if not ready on 3rd), Spear and 3x hammers (for shields).
Not someone suggest to use hammers on 3rd boss instead for shields?
What I see a huge waste of saftey on 4th boss where most of the fight one DPS is not there to damage the shields
tame jasper
I didn't say that I have it on both
fleet river
Oh you're right, reading comprehension is low
tame jasper
no prob 🙂
fleet river
If you have really solid dps and a soothe you could save everything for the last 2 bosses. At +18 it's still possible to single phase stitchflesh with a few weapons
But that's heavily dependent upon your groups dps
Probably requires a holy paladin tbh
And ashen would be back up for late phase of 4th boss
tame jasper
Finding holy paladins in pugs is well 😄
but di I understand you correctly
that you support he spear+hammer on 3rd?
fleet river
Yeah with a pug you'd want to play safer. 2nd and last boss are the pug killers so I'd focus on having lust and a few weapons for those. 1st and 3rd bosses are just matters of "can you execute a simple mechanic while not dying"
tame jasper
yeah hooking the boss seems to be impossible for many pugs..
fleet river
There's no planning you can do to fix that
sick sentinel
well, and the more you pug the more you realize what you can and cannot do
good group you do whatever you want and just get insta healed to 100% don't learn much
strong forum
yes
sick sentinel
this is what igot for stats/gear now
shit weapon and shoulders, but shoulders will be very hard to replace cuz 220, gunna need 223/6 for that
honest plinth
Yeah with a pug you'd want to play safer. 2nd and last boss are the pug killers ...
Spear - Yes. Hammer - no
You need all Hammers on Last boss or you will be deleted
fleet river
You need all Hammers on Last boss or you will be deleted
If it were a 20+ sure. An 18? Very doable
sick sentinel
i still never see the weapon when i run SoA on the left side after 1st boss
route taht you have to giga LOS to pillar down stairs
fleet river
It's definitely there lol
honest plinth
If it were a 20+ sure. An 18? Very doable
In pugs? Well gl haha
Same thinh about 3rd boss. You Just kill him in 2 phases with spear
You dont need to kill him in 1
His 1st minnion will die so you will not face 2 at the same time
fleet river
Some pugs are Actually Good believe it or not
honest plinth
Some. Sure
But why do want to use the Hammer on 3rd boss?
For the chance to kill him in 1 phase?
What the point of doing it
median tulip
Time
sick sentinel
fuck soa tho
honest plinth
Time is not a thing here
sick sentinel
i have vlvl (valor lvl) 10 emitter, so i never need to run that place again outside of 15
honest plinth
Why do you hate soa btw
sick sentinel
i don't it's just a pain to run
honest plinth
Well ye thats a challenge ofc
honest plinth
But tyr soa is still> fort soa of you can kill the bosses
subtle island
Kyrian legendary - good or shit?
tame jasper
But tyr soa is still> fort soa of you can kill the bosses
yep, trash is much harder in soa than bosses
blazing condor
Worse than reprisal
sick sentinel
here's a tip for SOA 2nd, he always does the blind frontal right before he does the blot on ground
honest plinth
Kyrian legendary - good or shit?
Bad
sick sentinel
and he doesn't even do anything then, he just drops the blot and rando tele's, you just stand there and taunt him back to where he was right beside the pillar
close as possible
subtle island
Boooo
sick sentinel
3rd one, jump away, get group away from the crap
honest plinth
Why do you need to taunt?
sick sentinel
because you don't want him to blot in the centre
honest plinth
You lost aggro?
sick sentinel
nah
honest plinth
So why do you want to taunt
sick sentinel
what i mean is get him to come back to your location
amber herald
I taunt, no reason not to
strong forum
Kyrian legendary - good or shit?
Good for dmg, shit for everything else
blazing condor
Ideally you wanna stack the orbs
honest plinth
And you taunt for what reason?
sick sentinel
Good for dmg, shit for everything else
i'm still under the impression it was to make PW who also play fury not get feelsbads for not going NF/V
strong forum
Mikanikos + kyrian leggo is actually not absolutely terrible for dps specs in m+
sick sentinel
And you taunt for what reason?
sorry ur right i explianed it wrong with taunt
subtle island
With the ven legendary - does the increased rage gen from last stand conduit also carry on through the extended last stand?
Or does it drop off like bolster?
sick sentinel
it's not nessecary at all, we just want to be sure he is in the correct location so he doesn't drop it in a bad spot leading to wipe on his enrage
strong forum
With the ven legendary - does the increased rage gen from last stand conduit als...
No
blazing condor
The 2nd boss will always run back to you regardless of taunt
strong forum
Neither bolster nor the conduit work with the venthyr legendary
subtle island
Ffs
strong forum
It's entirely useless
subtle island
That is so deeply disappointing
strong forum
blazing condor
Honestly wow is disappointing but its all we have
Its an assymetric abusive relationship
sick sentinel
what is the venthyr one?
strong forum
That is so deeply disappointing
Fits in with all the rest of 9.1
A whole lot of nothing
subtle island
All they have to do is have it extend bolster and unnerving focus and it’s job done
strong forum
Infinite stand 
inland raft
honest plinth
Every 5 seconds
amber herald
some talk of boomkins going venth
honest plinth
Its still not the best
It was divine toll every 10s
Thats was crazy
Because how it worked with conduits
honest plinth
some talk of boomkins going venth
Ys they are doing very good in ptr as venths
Also i see bears will go venth for m+ because there no more pulls limited by pride %
You can easily do 30-40% pulls now
amber herald
it definitely goes up in viability
it probably depends how worth killing the mini bosses are, they take around a minute to kill so bear's will be convoking still if they're worth killing
honest plinth
The problem is you cant convoke some of them without trees
Like you can do with pride
And Yes it will be totally worth o dont think blizz want us to skip whole season affix again haha
signal plover
Seeing as I won't be playing it
I know that feel bro
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
we have to refarm it in 9.1?
blazing condor
seems like it yea
you cant upgrade s1 items
in s2
dont think its been confirmed though
blazing condor
nah you can still use it of course
it'll just be at a lower ilvl than the "better" gear
amber herald
anyone else in the "never even seen one" crew?
violet river
hey are there any good weakauras that provide reminders on good times to spellreflect in pve? been reading up on dungeon mechanics that are reflectable etc but could use reminders if they exist
sweet summit
https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker/12
Its not perfect, but i guess it can help
hollow sun
ehhhh, just thinking of running dos again for the thinket makes me
median tulip
it'll just be at a lower ilvl than the "better" gear
I've seen a site claiming that +2 Vault Loot, and +6/+7 End of Dungeon loot will be 226
blazing condor
I've seen a site claiming that +2 Vault Loot, and +6/+7 End of Dungeon loot will...
did a +10 on ptr and got a 229
so seems about right
median tulip
I'm at 224
Hmmm. That's an interesting question. Do we start the affix cycle from "week 1" again for the lesser affixes, or do we continue the weekly cycle wherever we are at, but with the new seasonal affix?
sweet summit
i think the weekly rotation stays the same throughout the expansion?
lethal arrow
median tulip
Cool
dire onyx
whats your dps protection build?
sweet summit
what content?
dire onyx
general, i just want to farm as protection
sweet summit
devastator - double time - Best Served Cold (aoe)/booming voice (single target) - into the fray (single target)/ravager (aoe) - anger management
reprisal(single target if chargeweaving and interveneing)/the wall if not - Seismic reverberation(aoe glass canon)/reprisal(aoe and defensive benefit)
covenant potency (as long as youre not venthyr) - show of force - unnerving focus
and you can use raidbots to 
half scaffold
Quick question i am new to tanking do you use ignore pain at all?
sweet summit
i mostly use it as an off gcd rage spender if im about to overcap rage/im about to take unblockable damage and want to mitigate it
blazing condor
IP is pretty feel-reliant no hard rules
i personally always try and have IP up when doing m+
but i dont prio it over shield block
modern brook
If you try and maintain ip uptime you'll have no rage for revenge
Well at least in m+
No comment on raid tanking
median tulip
Quick question i am new to tanking do you use ignore pain at all?
The only times I really prioritise IP are when I need to ride through a damage spike/ability/magic damage with enhanced mitigation, or the rare occasions when I am in a Shield Block gap.
If all you are taking is melee damage and you have Shield Block up, you should be fine
dusky canopy
hey boys i dont have "the wall" crafted yet I only have reprisal so far, that being said would you guys run BSC in raid because of reprisal equip or would you still go for booming voice?
inland raft
Idk why so many people like spamming ip so much, my failings is often soamming revenj so much i dont have ip foe big damage if im not completely focused on whats going on
I wanna pump
haughty sleet
hey boys i dont have "the wall" crafted yet I only have reprisal so far, that be...
Bsc for aoe and bv for single
Also reprisal is perfectly viable for every raid encounter
violet river
Hey just levelling my prot warr but wanted to ask what proper reprisal usage looks like, just try to maximize uptime of shield block by getting it from charge on pull, intervene on cd after using first regular charge of shield block?
inland raft
If theres an opportunity to charge or intervene take it
Can walk out during casts and charge back etc
violet river
True
fleet river
On low mobility fights you can even use leap to save some time getting out to charge
Or if you have to move the boss, leap further than you need to move and charge back when they are at the right position
sick sentinel
not 15's, but i'm happy with that, and i got an upgradeable scale/emitter out of it
quick epoch
thoughts on the new Necrolord legendary? If skipping the 50% slow miniboss becomes normal its a really high uptime slow immune. So far I got up to 1:20 uptime on a target dummy. Probably more is possible
inland raft
Outside mdi style things i kinda doubt meta will be skipping in most cases with how impactful the anima powers are
quick epoch
I heard that skipping the slow boss will be meta for most dungeons you can
amber herald
the minibosses take a minute+ to kill so it could be worth skipping them
especially if it doesn't hinder you on the last boss
half scaffold
The only times I really prioritise IP are when I need to ride through a damage s...
Thanks
high folio
not 15's, but i'm happy with that, and i got an upgradeable scale/emitter out of...
gj dude we all start somewhere!
honest plinth
the minibosses take a minute+ to kill so it could be worth skipping them
depends on anima powers in boses
some of them can speed up you
and 1 minute will be nothing for that power
median tulip
not 15's, but i'm happy with that, and i got an upgradeable scale/emitter out of...
I would advise that you try to get a 14 done, possibly in a "no leaving, just for vault" group
sick sentinel
just for the sheer fact that you can only do 220 gear at vendor?
and you can get 226?
strong forum
14 is max vault
That way you can gear up much faster if you atleast do 1x 14 a week even if it takes while
sick sentinel
15 is for KSM valor upgrade anywa
strong forum
Well ye, but usually by the time you have KSM you don't need 220s anymore
sick sentinel
i would, never did a key higher than a 12
so biggest reward 220 so far
this is what i'm currently running
sick sentinel
fleet river
for unblockable damage u put up ignore pain ya
Or last stand, or shield wall, or rallying cry, or trinket, or call for externals
Or if it definitely won't be fatal, just eat it and make the healer sweat
sick sentinel
heroic leap out can give some distance so you don't get immediately get hit, reset stacks, prevent melee swings (giga bolster)
fleet river
Oh forgot to add spell reflect
sick sentinel
generally speaking the play is SW=/=LS last stand more for melee, shield wall more for magic damage
jagged pier
LS for melee only if your playing bolster otherwise it doesnt matter when u use it
sick sentinel
i don't want to live in a world without having bolster
jagged pier
with reprisal its totally fine to not use it
sick sentinel
even still i'd rather have it
something very nice about an "i probably won't die with this up" button
honest plinth
bolster is bad np
median tulip
and you can get 226?
Yeah. A 14 - even if you don't time it - will give you a 226 in Vault. Well worth doing one 14 per week on newer characters.
urban portal
Does prot warrior have the worst conduits out of all tanks
amber herald
probably lol
fleet river
I like bolster for when I want to eat a bowl of soup or something while I'm tanking
It also empowers you to have a very effective cooldown for basically every pull
inland raft
If not gonna run am id rather just play hr tbh
Essentially 100% uptime on block with hr if really feel need even more defense
muted arch
do you guys use last stand preemptively or as a heal?
sick sentinel
14 TOP sounds like a nightmare, applying to a few 14's but no accept
still pagoda
median tulip
ToP is not the most pleasant of dungeons on any week, to be honest
undone verge
top is my favorite dungeon
thorn timber
do you guys use last stand preemptively or as a heal?
Preemptively most of the time - but if i didn't plan to use and things get hairy i pop it
verbal hill
Is warrior harder to play than other tanks? It feels like there are lots of cooldowns to manage
median tulip
I have limited experience with the other tanking classes, but overall I found Bear the easiest, and Brewmaster the hardest
muted arch
do you guys hold avatar for like 5-10 seconds for big dps CDs
fleet river
It has a long duration so the answer is usually no, but like everything it depends
Long duration and relatively short cooldown
I'll hang on to it for anything damage ampy, or at least a few seconds before. Ingra maloch/soa 3rd boss
undone verge
do you guys hold avatar for like 5-10 seconds for big dps CDs
I usually use avatar on pull for optimized cd and opening rage
if you use it at the start of a boss fight, even without AM you probably are gonna have it up before the end of it
muted arch
i mean say your cov ability has like 25 seconds left on CD, can you hold it for 5 seconds so you can use it during the avatar window
undone verge
I dont try to optimize it too much
cause what are the stats on dmg increase
30% right?
undone verge
yeah 20%
so with for example, spear of bastion, you do a total of 7 thousand damage without any crits
with avatar optimized, you would 8.4k smg, which is a nice increase, but its not worth completely optimizing. I like to use avatar as more of a defensive cooldown because of the rage it generates. It allows me to get a higher uptime than if I tried to optimize its use. Kinda similar to how whenever im a dps, I hold my cooldowns for certain pulls, but it ends up being a dps loss in total, because the uptime of my buffs was lower
muted arch
do you guys feel rage starved?
to need avatar for defensive rage
holding stuff for short periods isnt a dps loss tho
max buff uptime =/= max dps, cuz you do more dps on bigger pulls
hollow sun
i think that if you play reprisal you will never be ragestarved unless you straight spam revenge
undone verge
I dump a lot of rage into revenge
spare rage allows you to play for offensive
obviously your not gonna use all of your cooldowns on cooldown, hold major ones for pulls you think are gonna need it, but saving cooldowns like avatar which are like 45 seconds at most for your other longer cooldowns is going to add up to a dps loss
especially for coolodowns almost 50% longer than it
sick sentinel
we had really good pace for 14, net drops again
hasty cedar
9.1 show up a good legendary for prot ? I am thinking in craft the wall for raining or wait to 9.1 release
tame jasper
top is my favorite dungeon
Mine too 🙂
jagged pier
9.1 show up a good legendary for prot ? I am thinking in craft the wall for rain...
No new good leggos reprisal is still on top
jagged pier
do you guys feel rage starved?
If your feeling rage starved, it means 1 of 2 things your itjer over using your spenders or under using your generates if you have logs i can a quick look for you
jagged pier
ive been wondering if reprisal is still bis in raids
Imo probably yes, or if there is like a vry heavy magic damage fight like inrrva the wall will still have a use
undone verge
for avatar what do you do, do you use it on cd for its rage generation and higher uptime, or do you save it for optimized cooldowns like cov abilities
jagged pier
I just use it on cd really
muted arch
i hit 60 3 hours ago xD
tame jasper
gz
muted arch
haha ty, was replying to him asking for my logs
just full cleared heroic but idk if a ilvl 136 tank logs mean much..
which leggo should i go for first
tame jasper
reprisal
and before you ask: If you don't have access to SLG mythic: Craft them on legs instead of feet
thorn gust
Just realized I crafted mine on feet bc I saw all warriors doing that but I know legs are better since I have 2 other tanks with leggo on legs. I’ll have to remake it on legs lol
tame jasper
If you can acquire the SLG mythic legs with your warrior
muted arch
well got 3-4 weeks for the RNG gods to bestow me
tame jasper
would love to have the mytrhic CN opportunity too, but my guild doent raid (only did heroic and this was close that we even killed sire there)
would love to get the achievements there 👼
blazing condor
i wonder if its still worth to get reprisal on feet this late into the xpac
considering you will do a m15 in s2 and outgear 233
where as you can upgrade the leggo and get more main-stat
than what you'd have on the feet
tame jasper
we'll ahve to craft new legenadaries anyway
blazing condor
you mean i can't upgrade my current reprisal? 😛
tame jasper
as far as I understand the PTR reports you have to buy a new vessel for rang 5/6 and as always -_-
throwing tons of gold into the maws of the 2 or 3 who leveled this stuff
blazing condor
well you always needed a new vessel for upgrading legendaries right?
i honestly dont remember lol
tame jasper
yep
tame jasper
I would not sign this
but I'm not sure if I understand this correctly
I personally udnerstood it the way that for 5/6 you need the soul cinder on top of it
like you need 1k soul ash for rank 1 but 4k more if you want craft rank 4
but as said: I'm not sure
blazing condor
rank 4 leggo is 5k soul ash
and same, i have no idea how they gonna do it for 9.1
but my understanding was that youd still need soul ash for first 4 ranks
then cinders for the next ranks
thorn gust
From what I saw you don’t need soul ash after rank 4
You just need the cinders which is the new currency in Torghast
thorn gust
tame jasper
the question is if you can "skip" the soul-ash ranks
that's what I tried to say
blazing condor
ah
yeah
it feels weird if you could skip those ranks tbh
then soul ash is just useless
depending on how hard it is to acquire cinders
tame jasper
yeah but on the oither side this is the "catch up"
thorgast 9-12
mate said (DH DD) it was easy for him soloing
median tulip
I've been told that the recommended iLvl for layer 12 is 220
blazing condor
monks can just vivify it at 150 ilvl
restive flax
Hey guys, did anyone test how much cdr the kyrian spear gets from the mikanikos cap talent?
jagged pier
mwahi might have but a lot of things still arent working correctly
like if u equip the paladin kyrain leggo and mikanos
its ups the cd of DT or it did when the paly in my guild tested it
restive flax
5sec per target up to 20sec
okay damn, 20 seconds cdr. is insane, thanks
carmine prawn
Anyone knows what ilvl does nornal raid in 9.1 drops? First 6 and last 4. Thanks in advance
I somewhat hope that for NF covenant lego, it heals us when we stand in it. Something along the line of paly venthyr yet without the long ass cd
median tulip
Anyone knows what ilvl does nornal raid in 9.1 drops? First 6 and last 4. Thanks...
226 and 233. Only the last 2 bosses drop 233 though.
inland raft
So what belt enchant worth using with the worlds best tank, cardboard assassin, being nerfed?
carmine prawn
226 and 233. Only the last 2 bosses drop 233 though.
Thank you
strong forum
So what belt enchant worth using with the worlds best tank, cardboard assassin, ...
prolly invis
2min cd, doesnt share cd with anything
inland raft
I thought that but cant think of many uses since if it backfires cant invis guess can work situationally if wipe or something
strong forum
if it backfires you use normal pot or deathskip
🤷♂️
but other than that there are no good belt enchants
inland raft
Debuffs you to not be able to invis but ya
pale roost
What soulbind as fae is best in Dungeons?
I was thinking maby koryan with first strike?
sweet summit
Ya thats big
dusty warren
Guys, how are we for 9.1 on m+? Reprisal will continue bis?
strong forum
nothing changes in 9.1, so yes
sick sentinel
yup, i love wow and all this and that love the keys
can't keep doing every night at peak i get cut out mid key though
jagged pier
I thought that but cant think of many uses since if it backfires cant invis gues...
u cant invis for like 15 secs
hasty cedar
No new good leggos reprisal is still on top
Understood, thanks
sick sentinel
if only there was some tool to log your combat that would make these comparisons easier and require less than 4 screenshots in a discord
whelp, i guess it's too bad that the tool doesn't exist
north comet
What is survivors rally?
tame jasper
autolog and upload to warcraftlogs?
sweet summit
What is survivors rally?
final soulbind trait of niya iirc
nvm thats not it
almost final :p
carmine prawn
Stygian king's barbs is an anima power, i presume?
strong forum
Ye
Nature's fury is the NF leggo
I guess anima powers aren't rng then?
And you have a set Set of anima powers per dungeon
obsidian girder
Just started with prot, first in damage is shield slam Everytime - I catch my self using ignore pain a lot. Should I better use the rage on revenge ? Playing ignore pain heavy is wrong ?
(Using reprisal)
distant crystal
just kinda depends on what you care about more that moment
median tulip
Just started with prot, first in damage is shield slam Everytime - I catch my se...
If you can survive without IP, then your Rage is better spent on Revenge. In general, I only use IP to ride specific damage spikes (magic attacks, tankbusters etc) and the rare occasions when I am without a Shield Block charge to use
distant crystal
reducing incoming dam a bit or increasing outgoing dam a bit
obsidian girder
Okay. So I can say I am a very conservative tank 😋
Thanks for feedback, will try to pump more on revenge
median tulip
Ultimately, if you time the key you're not doing anything too wrong
obsidian girder
Sitting at ilvl 200 - with a similar group - was +10 sanguine +3. Seems fine then
median tulip
Yeah, if you're doing that well then I wouldn't worry about it
fleet river
Sometimes you have too much rage to spend on just revenge and shield block
First 20 seconds or with all cooldowns up for example
muted arch
Which leggo would you guys get first for raid
fleet river
Avatar, ravager, bv demo shout, reprisal charge/intervene, covenant ability. They all generate rage
fleet river
Which leggo would you guys get first for raid
If all you care about is raiding, the wall. If you will ever do m+ and you could only pick one legendary use reprisal
muted arch
how do you use reprisal in raid? charge into every taunt swap and intervene your cotank?
strong forum
Can intervene whatever target.
dull zodiac
cheers1
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=162309/kultharok#comments i'm slightly confused by the range check ability, which is jarring with the tornadoe affix
so, it's melee or a cast? and whats the minimum range i have to be from boss then, says i took 47k damage from spectral reach
lament raven
It's a cast, can be intereupted
sick sentinel
hmm, okay, i got to that boss and we tried 3 times, dps just got completely deleted like random it seemed
they were saying "don't run parasite through group"
lament raven
Parasite is different to spectral reach, parasite puts a circle around your character that does damage to anyone in it I believe, can't be interrupted and shouldn't be ran through them
strong forum
It's just a dot that ticks, has to be outhealed
Tank just stays close to him
Aaaand yeah.
That's all you do
Spectral reach you shouldn't get ever
Since you can't reflect it
sick sentinel
right, so what do i set my range to for range check tool
lament raven
Or if you do get out of melee, charge in and interrupt his cast
Or you can be out of melee range when he does his channel (where he rips the sound from the dps' body's) and he won't cast it, so you can use charge there for reprisal/rage generation
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS-pMWCnvk this is the past 5 days of my life
sick sentinel
evening.
theres nothing in 9.1 that seems like it would replace the reprisal lego, right?
jagged pier
nope
sick sentinel
should we consider items without versatility when they are higher itemlevel then the ones that do (but not by more than 10)
median tulip
Generally speaking, iLvl > All
radiant igloo
I have looked through resources but was not able to find an answer. If I use Kleia as prot, which final node do I take - the crit or the healing one?
also would the crit trait convert to parry or is that only rating rather than percentage?
sweet summit
Usually the crit
muted arch
best cov for early raid prog in 9.1?
sweet summit
prob still kyrian>=nf
muted arch
is NF more dmg?
amber herald
yeah
quick epoch
why not necro with new leggo? can have 1.2 min uptime on banner giving 3 party members that mastery buff
torn gulch
because that will require you to be a support character and you will need a lot of coordination
quick epoch
not that much. And if you're trying to max raid dps and it's more dps
I got that uptime fooling around on dummies, it might even be more
sweet summit
40-70 sec ish
it only extends on the warrior
it requires great coordination and positioning
quick epoch
really?
sweet summit
yes
quick epoch
only extends on the warrior? if so thats not as good
sweet summit
that is so, unless they changed it with the latest build