i have slept 4 hours since tbc launch
#protection
sweet summit
i might
sweet summit
god i wish that was me
jagged pier
Same
blazing condor
go sleep
jagged pier
Wow good look what youve done
strong forum
Rude and uncalled for
jagged pier
☝️
blazing condor
im just a dumb brown-name i dont know any better
ionic fern
Hello,
Is warrior good in 9.1?
blazing condor
only if you got 25+% vers
ionic fern
Thank you.
ionic fern
What were you expecting tho?
Looking at how "meh" the others were it was bound to be doomed.
Lower your expectations.
Smh
blazing condor
honestly it would've required quite a lot to give a good leggo and still not rip off the band-aid that is reprisal
jagged pier
I know but i just pool at paladins kyrain one
blazing condor
💦
jagged pier
Even after the nerf its still good
strong forum
As long as it procs glimmer, is stoopid
But yeah, they're bound to be shit
Really funny how they had to think of more legendaries this way, than if they had made spec specific ones.
blazing condor
honestly i hope they find ways to make playing warr a bit more refreshing by changing things up (for the better). Wouldnt be fun to just play this build this way all of the xpac
strong forum
Huge
gaunt dawn
guaranteed flourish
strong forum
That makes 2 out of over 40 that don't suck ass
gaunt dawn
strong forum
3
gaunt dawn
Cant be worse than the BDK Kyrian lego 🙂
gaunt dawn
adds 0 on ST
strong forum
I don't even know what kyrian does for dk
strong forum
Sad!
blazing condor
this says a lot about the game's society
strong forum
median tulip
Have we got a Kyrian legendary yet?
brittle owl
there's a lot of yellow in this chat right now
let the peepee hit the poo
median tulip
oh nvm, found it. That's an Arms leggo, so no changes for prot at all
strong forum
Wdym covenant leggos are a great idea
Make 4 things for 3 specs
Surely that'll work beautifully
tame jasper
and are totally balanced!
ionic fern
Ofc they are - they are balanced around being useless.
blazing condor
tame jasper
Point to you 😉
jagged pier
Only usable in pvp
Logs hello?
jagged pier
True but it might be good in a short fight with burst windows
But i dont look at the raid till.in there
blazing condor
l-like sludge
jagged pier
So i cant really talk
blazing condor
jagged pier
I liked sludge let me take no damage
thin snow
What is best covvant for prot
blazing condor
i hope
jagged pier
jagged pier
What is best covvant for prot
Any you like
blazing condor
sludge for pwarr was both uber nice on DMG and Tanking
strong forum
Kyrian >= NF >venthyr > necro
thin snow
Ty
blazing condor
@thin snow what jakey said, all works. Safest pick is probably kyrian for diversity and survivability or NF for damaj
thin snow
Is prot any good?
blazing condor
muted arch
someone here was talking about an intervene macro that let u remove the effect as soon as u used it
strong forum
Prot is one of the better tanks yes
muted arch
how is that possible tho when the buff is on someone else
blazing condor
they have to have the macro
jagged pier
Was used in world first sire kill pushing top lvl keys
muted arch
oh lol
blazing condor
with a cancel aura
muted arch
so u gotta tell whoever it is to hit the macro
blazing condor
yeah or just have them bind it to their buttons
like /cancelaura intervene -> /cast thrash
or something
jagged pier
so u gotta tell whoever it is to hit the macro
I got my co tank to.macro.it to all his spells
blazing condor
its not really needed anywhere tbh
small qol for sludge
if you dont wanna do it on chain slam group
daring bay
I say, the defining diffrence on why Dh is meta and not warr is the magic debuff.
muted arch
not with havoc buffs
blazing condor
if boomie/mage is meta then VDH is always gonna be strong
for m+ im talking
idrk raids
median tulip
We're going to be able to put Reprisal on Head in 9.1?
strong forum
Head and legs have the same stat budget
Ah you're asking if we're able to
Seems that way
median tulip
More flexibility is good though; better insurance against not getting a particular drop
Nah, I was reading the wowhead changes page
blazing condor
is there really any reason why you cant put a leggo on any armor slot?
besides weapons/trinkets
median tulip
Because Bliz hates crafters
honest plinth
if boomie/mage is meta then VDH is always gonna be strong
yes and no
he always will be meta in kite meta
and look how many new anima powers in m+ have "if you stand still" effect
strong forum
Kite meta is because vdh is meta.
blazing condor
strong forum
Druids bdks and wars don't kite nearly as much
honest plinth
kite meta was a thing from start og the season
blazing condor
I feel like the kite-meta isnt as apparent now as it was in 9.0
strong forum
Vdh needs to kite because their mitigation has too low uptime to tank
honest plinth
becaus enoone could facetank high keys
blazing condor
You can facetank pretty much anything now unless you got a mitigation gap
more or less
blazing condor
ye
honest plinth
Druids bdks and wars don't kite nearly as much
oh i saw dorki*23 mots as bdk
he was running like a man haha
ionic fern
and look how many new anima powers in m+ have "if you stand still" effect
I'm going to be failing at that so much. I always move around a bit from side to side or some other random un-necessary movements.
😂
blazing condor
i only really backpedal
honest plinth
oh ye i mean strafing like a mad man hahah
jagged pier
If a'ding ot jumping i aint playing
strong forum
Jump King here
tame jasper
I'm going to be failing at that so much. I always move around a bit from side to...
yep, dito
and reprisal does its part too 😄
blazing condor
Jump King here
goated game
strong forum
I wasn't referring to the game, more to myself, but I guess
blazing condor
graceful cobalt
hi how much haste a Tank warrior should have?
blazing condor
As much as possible when you have your highest ilvl gear
quick elk
Critical strike damage? Booooo! Signet warriors when they allow 2 legendaries though . Not that excited from a prot perspective.
jagged pier
hi how much haste a Tank warrior should have?
As much with your highest ilvl, basically u want to aim for 39% unbuffed, but u never drop ilvl for haste strength is a far better stat
jagged pier
https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/warrior-kyrian-covenant-legendary-revealed-elysian-...
Yep it bad
quick elk
They should let signet proc prot ravager 😅
storm apex
What weapon enchant should i use for m+?
jagged pier
Celestial or lightless up to u
honest plinth
Why do you want signet if we have that double revenge leggo
Reprisal + reevenge leggo is broken combo
jagged pier
Yer but signet work on rav is just fun and busted btw
Pair that with seimic
LETSGOOOOOO
blazing condor
📈
jagged pier
I dunno give rep and the wall how low would sw cd be
timber jasper
As much with your highest ilvl, basically u want to aim for 39% unbuffed, but u ...
So when I have to choose between haste and vers on a single item, I always choose haste even if I have over 20% without ITF when i‘m on the other Hand just running 15% vers for example?!
timber jasper
Hmm alright. Wouldn’t be such a problem when there wouldn’t be so much mastery on every item (beside pvp gear). Have about 38% mastery -.- at least there will be much more haste/Vers plate gear in SoD 🙂
timber jasper
Yeah it‘s not bad but I’d rather have more Vers and less mastery
strong forum
Can't relate
I didn't do content where stats mattered
And hardly anyone is doing it to begin with
blazing condor
everyone but me
they should give us the shattering throw anima power for m+ that'd be jokes
strong forum
Just gimme TC and WW drag in mobs, or SS casts WW and I'm onboard
Or both
And be glorious
Cast SS = WW procs and drags in 3 mobs
Yes pls
Lowkey the best not broken anima power there is.
blazing condor
i loved and hated playing it in d3
pushing GRs
it's incredibly comf but incredibly brain dead as well
strong forum
I don't see what's wrong with that
strong forum
If I can blast to music and can progress my character im all for it
blazing condor
i preferred doing builds like hammer/raekor or wahtever it was
you always blast music playing d3 doe
nothing to listen to
strong forum
Yeah but you stop progressing your character
Real quick
Then it just turns into an severe grind for augments and para levels
And thats when things get boring
strong forum
I'm talking about gear
blazing condor
yes for sure
eventually youre just gated by para levels
and not having primals/augments
blazing condor
well i mean yeah
depends on how lucky you are with gear
im not defending D3
just sounded like you said playing WW build was fun because that meant you could progress your character
strong forum
Usually around para 600-800 is when you only start to grind for the exact same gear
And augments /para levels
Luck isn't really needed in d3 anymore
strong forum
just sounded like you said playing WW build was fun because that meant you could...
No what I was insinuating was that the game gets boring when you stop progressing
The build itself just is the most comfy
EQ barb I hate
Raekors doesn't have as good flow
blazing condor
nah ww is satisfying when you just keep moving smoothly through the dungeon
strong forum
Exactly
blazing condor
a bit more boring imo when it's a slow-but-steady burn
instead of burst
like with raekors where you'd just build up HOTA stacks
then bam
strong forum
Yeah but you have to stop
That's the boring part to me
Or to in circles to round up mobs
blazing condor
yep
idk d3 barb was fun but also boring
when you were really trying to push high grs
but im a bit biased cus i hated playing with the spear
cus it was janky asf
strong forum
I only did speed grifts, pushing is boring
Only pushed in early seasons like 1-4
After that I didn't play enough to stay in top 10 anymore
strong forum
Na playing sup is boring
sick sentinel
round 3 of depleting TOP 13....
i just want to time the key and have it turn into a spires 10, then i time that, and i can upgrade valor past 207
honest plinth
What kind of problems do you have in top?
blazing condor
anyone who's been trying PTR is there any place you can get keys?
mellow bridge
blazing condor
found it, thanks! 🙂
sick sentinel
which one is the platform that has the tricky pull here?
it's got a patrol or something you pull alone
tame jasper
the orange cats are hidden
on the green one with the goliath in the corner, you only want to pull the 3 wing guys
when the purple pat is not on top of them
blazing condor
I also think running the right side is generally easier than left
sick sentinel
fastest group ever, joined, buffed up, start key, pull 6 as marked on mdt, 10 deaths
blazing condor
not many squad leaders in packs making it go faster
the 15% damage anima power lookin p nice
but kind of boring having to stand still
easy to get greedy too i found
would rather just stand there and pump
Also can confirm the new cheat death is ass lmao
tame jasper
left side is good to get 80% pride at 3rd boss for tyrannical
sick sentinel
lasted 1 pull
i was using the MDT route from raider io weekly routes,
I'm not sure what went wrong here. but it said pull 6, so i did and we got deleted
rancid ember
Alot went wrong there. You really don't have to be moving around as much as you do.
You're also aiming to do a 10/11, just pull what you're comfortable with. You have tons of time in this dungeon to just pull groups 1 by 1 for sure. Even if your group presses you, you're the tank and it's a bolstering week. Better safe than sorry.
You could've stacked the melee on the casters a lot sooner once you had them pulled back but you kind of kept them separated so the bolstering was much harder to deal with on the last 3 mobs.
The goal on those big packs is to stack the mobs tight and fast so dps can do their job.
fierce field
If you go rght, you can reset 3rd boss, and pull the pack from the other side and get pride for 3rd that way too, don't need to go left
potent anvil
Mechanically, you spent quite a bit of time rage capped. Just spend on IP (for upkeep) or Revenge (for damage). You never shield walled. Shield Wall high or when you're about to drop mitigation so your healer doesn't have to focus too much on you.
high folio
youre also not using your SS reset, i saw you cast multiple TC's and Revenges w SS off cd
sick sentinel
alot of spells got off i noticed too, i'm pretty sure i didn't make an interupt
high folio
SS is your highest rage generating spell, wanna use that as much as possible
rancid ember
Yeah the spells are a problem. On that pack specifically you need to interrupt the 2 casters in the back pack so they come forwards out of the Goliath's patrol range.
sick sentinel
i recorded that TOP 10 i +2'd, but it would take all night to render
high folio
SS = shield slam btw
sick sentinel
recorded a few dungeons now. uploaded a PF and underrot video that were on time. just didnt have the storage before
sick sentinel
i went in solo, i think this is the safe play instead, kill first pack of 3 and then pull giant when he is here.
modern brook
you're moving a lot
to the detriment of your dps
you pull most of the mobs out of wild spirits at around 1:58
not to mention the flame patches
and u also stackedthe melee on your mage ran into melee while he was to channeling NF cov and he died to storming
Mostly pointing that out cause it made me laugh
sick sentinel
hmmm
modern brook
but you have a shield you dont need to be moving so much
IF you're finding you have to be kiting or you're not able to take the punches, look into some of the effeciency advice other people pointed out
casue yeah rage cap etc
sick sentinel
i have a few idea how to handle that pull, different ways just practice i suppose
rancid ember
Yeah for sure. If you want to double pull just assign 2 interrupts to the back casters to make sure they get pulled in. Ravager / Clap can do the rest. Also keep in the mind the melee guys have a frontal. Trying to make sure you're not pointing that frontal at a party member
Find a spot and get that 
up
modern brook
u just line them here
its a double or triple pull depending on your DPS comp
tag tag pull to there ravager get ranged kicks if ur dps dont know how LOS work
then u face them so they're facing u into the wall for the cleave
and your dps kills them*
You should never have to leave that corner
Like its the first pull so you have EVERY cooldown available
can just be in that fight for like 45 seconds straight
muted arch
id suggest actually pulling them to the pillar right infront of the font
that way no one bodies that goliath, especially on bolstering week
mount over and grab everything, have everyone else waiting behind the pillar in LOS
leap back and everything will come right on top of you guys behind that pillar and you can nuke
if you're doing a double pull but keeping the mobs spread, its 100% faster to just do 2 pulls, cuz what you're doing is turning a double pull into 3 individual pulls, time wise
@sick sentinel
sick sentinel
i shouldn't get bent out of shape about it, you guys have told me tons of stuff i done wrong, and i have to just get on tank notes it seems
cinder storm
Just play around the comps you have, you move too much, you could have told the mage to poly one vanguard and hunter trap the other and then double pull, once they group they can start dpsing. The dps were terrible too, they focused on the targets that were already dying instead of swapping, but you cant trust pugs to think ahead of the 3 first numbers on their bar, its kinda your responsibility as the tank to limit their mistakes,
sick sentinel
i'll give it a go in 24 hours or something
cinder storm
why? just go agane, best way to improve is to keep trying
sick sentinel
because, i went agane, and died to other stupid shit i normally wouldn't have
cinder storm
did you moved forward the second time?
sick sentinel
so, i gotta take small break
brittle owl
then go agane
cinder storm
keep trying pack by pack, is the only way to get better imo, mechanically you can get better, but the more you try the better you will feel
Most ppl that pug deplete a bunch of keys before timing one key
sick sentinel
i don't feel terrible at all if it depletes my key unless i need it
rancid ember
Yeah just gotta move past that. You're never going to see the people you group with again most likely anyways. If he gets tilted that's on him just /ignore and move on. Your mistakes are more obvious being tank. Only way to learn is to scuff a bunch of keys & routes and deal with the mindless pubs sometimes.
high folio
yeah yogi on my way to 1450 io i borked a lot of keys figuring shit out
sick sentinel
tank you suck never tank again - a million dps
cinder storm
yup, not only you need to tank adds but also comments and toxic ppl
amber herald
tell em to suck your dick and tank it themselves if they don't like it
cinder storm
you need a..."tank mentality"
bright peak
hey guys just a short question i saw a lot of prot warri's switching to necro is the banner buff so strong or can maybe someone explain?
amber herald
it isn't any stronger than the other covenants in reality
a lot of people swapped for the hype
bright peak
ah okay then i will stay as kyrian too lazy to farm renown ;D
rancid ember
Where did you see alot of wars switching to Necro?
If streamers they're probably just getting all their reknowns up to 40 on each covenant so they can swap in 9.1 if needed.
jagged pier
The top guilds are as they will be able to reliably and mean reliably get the buff om the correct people, plus the dps gain for them the like extra 300 raid dps it gives is worth it as they do content in a lot less gear than most ppl
And they need that extra
If u arent in a top guild honestly its unlikely u will realibly get that buff on the 3 people you want all the time
And even though extending the buff on yourself isnt a bad thing its still weaker than repirsal + another cov
sick sentinel
you need a..."tank mentality"
tankin deez (nuts) keystones
modern brook
the good news is
if any clothie ever says "whats with this tank" you know they're an idiot
muted arch
heard some people say fae is more fun than kyrian
modern brook
imagine playing mage and doing 10s in june and talking shit
muted arch
anyone here agree with that?
modern brook
sure
amber herald
not really except for soulbind
amber herald
both abiltities you set and forget
soulbind? I mean soulshape
soulshape is more fun than potion
short kiln
I was NF until this week with a swap to Kyrian for pre 9.1 renown
fierce field
I'd prefer to go NF over Kyrian, but I'm the only one covering Kyrian for my standard M+ groups
short kiln
and although I like the QOL of pot and a 1m cd on spear, it feels more "trudgy"
modern brook
anyone here agree with that?
the ultimate decision is based on your key group
IF it truly doesnt matter in that regard just go nf
muted arch
sorry im talking for raid
short kiln
and yeah, taking Kyrian for group comp
modern brook
sorry im talking for raid
ven
muted arch
why do i see every top warrior is kyrian
amber herald
I'd go kyrian for the raid because of cheesing stuff with potion 🤷♂️
but I am also a dwarf
modern brook
why do i see every top warrior is kyrian
the omega secret: it doesnt matter
top warriors arent top warriors because they're kyrian
safe thistle
Reprisal Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block for 4 sec, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage.
Inventory Type: Legs, FeetHead, Legs, Feet
sick sentinel
but I am also a dwarf
that's double good, DID is great choice for kyrian PW imo
modern brook
that said cheesing a tank bleed or something with phial is particularly good for low ilvl prog
that top level warriors are often doing
(ie: world first)
amber herald
yeah I'd play DID if I could but I'm too lazy to unlock
muted arch
im talking up to world 150
strong forum
Cuz it's objectively the best covenant
sick sentinel
DID moves X% faster indoors, all dungeons are 99.999999999% indoors
fierce field
imagine being alliance 🙂
modern brook
imagine being alliance 🙂
im imagining being 12
strong forum
im talking up to world 150
You need a kyrian in your m+ group, it's consistent, has utility, offers potion. Overall with all things considered as your role as a tank it's the best.
fierce field
Honestly, i really really miss my dark iron dwarf, but a bunch of us moved horde... i imagine being a dwarf all the time 😦
muted arch
over vent
sick sentinel
5 DID's 4 paladins, 2 NF pala, 1 kyrian 1 venth, 1 kyrian prot warrior
stark sage
safe thistle
bah since execute got buffed for none-venthyr theres no reason to play venthyr unless personnal preference
strong forum
^
short kiln
Some people are Twilight ride or dies
muted arch
in raid
sick sentinel
has okay shield transmog
strong forum
In raid, venthyr will be a dps loss in 9.1
Rn venthyr is 150-200 dps at best ahead of kyrian
sick sentinel
i'm pretty positive that the legedary that leaked was for fury or arms
whichever one is the crit one, fury i think
strong forum
It's class wide yogi
short kiln
there's a case to be made for NF in raid if you are also off spec Fury
strong forum
They're not spec specific
sick sentinel
as in, made in mind with,
sick sentinel
cuz fury is you do a bunch of crits righ
strong forum
It's a pvp Lego
Fury plays NF or venthyr
Venthyr one is busted for them, as NF you play signet
The kyrian leggo will be only pvp, maybe tank parsing
stark sage
Venthyr one is busted for them, as NF you play signet
they bugfixed the NF lego so you'd run it on ST, or sustain aoe
signet for burst aoe most likely tho
strong forum
ic
blazing condor
anyone know how bad the Torment affix-dudes scale with higher key-levels?
strong forum
Not yet
blazing condor
only did two dgs on a 10 and obviously they were pretty easy
modern brook
is torment the new seasonal?
strong forum
I can imagine they will be just as hard as pride
sick sentinel
i'm just making stupid dumbo mistakes is all it is
blazing condor
thinking if its worth skipping the fire/movement speed one or something for higher keys
strong forum
Cuz fuck you
sick sentinel
standing in shit i'm not supposed to
night depot
coming back to prot for 9.1 affix looking good to me 😄
sick sentinel
not LOS, not use SW, all that
blazing condor
as long as you know what you can do better you'll improve with time
just gotta grind it out
soon you'll be here asking how much vers you'll need for a 22
modern brook
strong forum
You mean 15
sick sentinel
nah, i'll be asking why i died in a 15, lol
stark sage
You mean 15
hello i'm a fresh warrior with 205 ilvl, i want to get ksm, and i've got 8% verse, how much haste should i drop
sick sentinel
not much, you need tons of haste to keep your shield block up maximum time
modern brook
yogi no :^(
stark sage
safe thistle
only need crit crit crit
strong forum
hello i'm a fresh warrior with 205 ilvl, i want to get ksm, and i've got 8% vers...
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sick sentinel
pro tip don't listen to most things i say i'm a scrub nub
fierce field
not much, you need tons of haste to keep your shield block up maximum time
shield block up 100% of the time you enter the key until the second the last boss dies! 😄
sick sentinel
that's that idea yup
safe thistle
i like bacon
blazing condor
you can always play ITF/HR for perma uptime if that's what you're after
sick sentinel
KSC might have to wait till next week
blazing condor
but you start losing out on other things if you do
sick sentinel
dunn if i want to deal with bolstering tyranical soa this week
safe thistle
soa is good for tyrannical
blazing condor
its not a particularly good week
fierce field
oh god, sorry that was sarcasm.
safe thistle
soa is one of the eqasiest in tyrannical you always have a pride for first, can get one for second and last
robot even in tyrannical is a meatshield
sick sentinel
its the 2nd boss and final boss that i'm really fearing
safe thistle
get a pride for second one
sick sentinel
a bit the first if im dumb
safe thistle
lust first/second third boss no pride/lust just long but so not dangerous if you got a hunter to soak first wave of bubble or pally
fierce field
yah, shouldn't be too bad then with pride/lust
safe thistle
your 1 and 2 can be inverted you need to know the arrow the orb shoot start by where the boss were facing before teleporting so you can make it stack on the previous orb arrows.
muted arch
yo anyone playing warrior after DH, and cant figure out why ur interrupt doesnt work unless ur right up the mobs ass
safe thistle
cause it require melee range and DH is 15 yard or 10 if i remeber
muted arch
haha yeah
safe thistle
i know i got fucked over some time too when i switched
muted arch
feels bad
sick sentinel
we had pride on top of the stairs with stealh, but our group got deleted by it somehow
muted arch
either dps didnt pop anything or healers weak
sick sentinel
will i LOS healer going down stairs?
jagged pier
depends where hes stood
muted arch
yo does our self healing scale with temporary health increase, like last stand?
strong forum
Ofc
muted arch
solid
muted arch
i meant healing via indominable
safe thistle
that too
safe thistle
ignroe pain is from a % of your HP
safe thistle
tooltip error
just pop ls then avatar and use ignroe pain
youll see the corrected value on the buff
safe thistle
jsut for the rage to pop ignroe pain
sick sentinel
it's like how a mob say it casts a shadow bolt that hits you for 50k, but on the tooltip it says 6k, cuz like the modifier from +15
safe thistle
like that pepe
jagged pier
it costs 40
jagged pier
thats why u use revengj
strong forum
ignroe pain is from a % of your HP
It's not
IP doesn't change when you pop LS
Ignore pain scales from attack power and vers
safe thistle
hmm so its avatar that make it bigger then ?
muted arch
revenge uses rage it doesnt give it idk what ur saying lol
safe thistle
well i can tell it increased with both up
strong forum
Avatar used to make IP bigger in bfa cuz of the mastery gain
But right now, neither button does increase ignore pain
safe thistle
can you try in live and check your buff it still does
strong forum
Mastery grains from proc, like pelagos, that increases it
You don't have bom anymore
modern brook
strong forum
So avatar doesnt do anything for IP
safe thistle
how come my tooltip says 8080 and when i pop it with them its 8730
muted arch
anyone got a good weakaura to track ignore pain
strong forum
muted arch
i use afenar ui but his little bars are useless lol
fierce field
do you have something else that is increasing incoming heals? that might be affecting it?
muted arch
how does spell reflect tracker work
strong forum
how does spell reflect tracker work
spells pop up as theyre being cast by the enemy that are reflectable
strong forum
(never found it useful)
strong forum
have not once utilised it
cuz i know whats reflectable
and it shows spells that arent targeting you aswell
fierce field
It might be good while learning, but once you know what to reflect it's less useful
strong forum
how come my tooltip says 8080 and when i pop it with them its 8730
idk bro, maybe youre using a macro that uses other shit
my stuff doesnt change 🙂
fierce field
yah nome, think he said had blood fury on his avatar button
strong forum
must be
fierce field
orcs... amirite? ><
muted arch
u can ignore shield slam for aoe pump eh?
muted arch
hmm that doesnt make sense for pure damage
strong forum
how come
rancid ember
need rage fam
strong forum
it generates the thing u use to deal damage
fierce field
SS = Rrraaaaaaagee
muted arch
if you're not throwing up any defensives i mean
muted arch
and have ravager ect up
blazing condor
SS deals quite a bit of damage too
strong forum
during ravager ofc....
muted arch
i find i can just keep hitting revenge and staying at like 80 rage lol
strong forum
thats a whole differnet story
muted arch
yeah during dmg pump
strong forum
during LS + ravager OFC do you only revenge spam
you want to avoid overcapping rage
"during dmg pump" could mean alot of things
muted arch
i meant when u dont care for defensives, and have enough rage to spam revenge
strong forum
then you still dont want to forego using SS
cuz if youre not capping rage
youre better off using SS
muted arch
in aoe?
strong forum
cuz getting 15 rage and the CD going on SS and do 3x revenges and maybe a chance of a reset on SS, is better than use 2x revenge back to back, and only then using SS and be left with nothing
ykno?
revenge isnt going anywhere
if you dont cap rage
muted arch
ive just been feely crafting it so far, i guess as long as i never have an empty global im fine tho i suppose?
strong forum
generating rage is the highest prio
blazing condor
i wonder who at blizzard just said fuck it and made Sha of Fear HC take like 25 minutes
signal plover
It's more about not wasting SS reset procs
strong forum
wasting potential SS procs because you wanted to cast 1 or 2 more revenges
is loss of value / dps
muted arch
hmm idk if i follow, if youre never bottoming out on rage, then isnt it a waste of a global to shield slam if you know you dont need to
modern brook
no
muted arch
explain the no @modern brook
strong forum
just because you dont bottom out, doesnt mean you couldnt have generated more rage
modern brook
^
muted arch
okay and what am i to do with it lol
strong forum
use more revenges?
strong forum
getting more rage = more casts done
modern brook
more revenge
strong forum
youre never GCD capped to the point where more rage isnt beneficial
inland raft
Revenj
muted arch
well if im never bottoming on rage, that means theres literally no more casts done possible lol
muted arch
explain
modern brook
You press shield lsam
you get 20 rage
you never press another button
you havent bottomed out
and there are a lot of missed casts
muted arch
sorry im saying lets say theres a situation when u know u can spam revenge without missing a global
muted arch
like during ravage like i said
strong forum
how many revenge casts
muted arch
idk 10 seconds whatever
strong forum
during ravager is a short window where you exclusively spam revenge if youre capping rage
as ive mentioned before
because you would be capping rage if you didnt
muted arch
i mean theoretically speaking, the highest aoe pump will be the most ravages/second correct?
modern brook
so if you're asking
muted arch
so spending as few globals as possible to build rage rather than spend will be optimal
fierce field
IP also feeds into AM and is off GCD
which brings avatar back faster
so you have a place to dump some of that rage.
strong forum
do i need to repeat myself
3 times over
youre prefacing the ravager situation
which ive answered multiple times now
in a situation where youre not capping rage
youre always advised to generate the most rage possible if you want to maximise dmg output throughout the entire pull
modern brook
You're looking at it froma very limited scope
strong forum
because you cant possible generate enough rage to only spam Revenges and TC without prioritizing shield slam
muted arch
of course lol
strong forum
with which button
muted arch
i guess as long as u dump before capping you're fine
copper cedar
You want to only avoid capping rage during ravager so that you leave the ravager window with as much rage as possible to work with, as you'll be wearing that rage buffer down quick enough afterwards.
strong forum
prio is always SS > TC > Revenge assuming you dont cap rage
if you cap rage, you press revenge until youre not in danger of capping rage anymore from your next cast
if youre taking serious dmg whilst doing so, you weave your occasional IP in, but highest priority is always generating rage
it all ties together
elfin surge
wait holdup .... wheres SB fit in here (sorry to ask)
muted arch
on CD if you need it
strong forum
whenever you take blockable dmg
its the highest prio over everything, but its off global so it doesnt matter
muted arch
some say it has no prio but the highest prio at the same time
strong forum
SB doesnt contribute to your offensive rotation to the extend discussed here
but in a situation where you wont need to block damage income, its still worth the dmg increase on SS on ST
if you can afford to do so
strong forum
yes
muted arch
thats assuming u get at least 2 slams in that window im guessing?
strong forum
okay lets count how many of those situations are where youre not tanking for longer than 10 seconds
strong forum
i count a total of 0
muted arch
in raid..?
muted arch
shriek, hungering, lady, sunking intermission, artificer
strong forum
inerva you have frequent tankswaps so you cant afford to use SB charges between tanking
shriek you cant afford to use SB charges between tanking
muted arch
you could use 1 sure
muted arch
lol
strong forum
but sunking dmg really doesnt matter
muted arch
it does if u want that phat parse
muted arch
i mean what else is a tank supposed to do to have fun lol
strong forum
you cant parse on sunking outside of willingly playing the encounter wrong
strong forum
to get a parse on sunking you need to leave mobs alive
boss dmg is nothing for the parse there
its all about add pad
muted arch
haha idk i just have the mentality of wanting to squeeze every ounce of dps i can
especially in farm when tanking becomes mundane
stark sage
you should be working to play the best on an individual level
but trying to play the best from a parse perspective means you have to actively do the encounter wrong, that's the difference
muted arch
yeah im not saying do the encounter wrong to pump ur number
thats just self deception lol
stark sage
tldr, use block in a way that you block 100% of blockable damage, if that check is met and you sit on extra charges then you can use them for the dps
muted arch
unless u over gear content, in which case pop that puppy on CD and take those naked hits like a chad
strong forum
thats what i did on huntsman ye
muted arch
can someone with IP weak aura send me an ss of their UI
rancid ember
You might have better luck /w that over at #ui-addons-manager
You might even find some screenshots already posted if you scroll up some.
strong forum
My IP is just a small text above my hp
true sparrow
What was the name of that old,temoved mechanic where the more dmg a tank took,the more they dealt, so we were like 2x higher than any dps?
And was that WOD?
sweet summit
vengeance?
true sparrow
Ooh it was Cata/mists Yikes.
sweet summit
Glad was dumb
blazing condor
it was still fun damn it
signal plover
https://tenor.com/view/whyareyougay-uganda-gay-gif-14399349
chilly brook
https://c.tenor.com/5R7U8eUixSYAAAAM/can-you-speak-english-fuck-you.gif
Kek
supple tusk
What's the expected CD of shield wall with the conduit and AM? looks like 2:30 or so?
sweet summit
like 1.5min-2min ish
supple tusk
ty ty
tender pecan
Can definitely be lower no? I had it at about a minute CD in p3 sire last night unless I’m reading my log wrong
blazing condor
With reprisal or wall?
tender pecan
Wall
modern brook
with wall its closer to 45-1min
tender pecan
Oh he said conduit
modern brook
With conduit wall and am
tender pecan
Nvm I misread sorry
fresh ruin
IS it possible to get the plaguefall secret mount as a prot warrior (or fury)?
if so, anything special for doing it.. seem to be having challenging keeping healing up?
modern brook
do it on heroic and be overgeared?
fresh ruin
well, i am in heroic, working on heading to 3rd boss.
just wanted to see if i should do it as prot or fury, and if there were any tips/tricks for it.
modern brook
I mean not really you're just numbering through it
Impending victory might be a talent swap
sweet summit
both are doable i think
modern brook
its technically less healing than indom
sweet summit
idk which spec is better
blazing condor
It was very easy as prot
Use the ambushers for victory rush procs on third boss if needed
And make sure you get them all out
fresh ruin
K
modern brook
idk which spec is better
i imagine prots better until you can live through the smash on last guy
oh the engineering thing
the engi-trees
probably also good?
IDK
blazing condor
3rd boss was harder than 4th imo
fresh ruin
Any special talents other than impending victory?
blazing condor
Dont think so. I didnt run impending victory even. ravager is helpful on 3rd boss to get ads out. AM is probably the move as well
bounding strike is nice in general
fresh ruin
whew, that took a while
but got em =p
thanks @modern brook and @blazing condor
and @sweet summit
fleet river
It was very easy for me without changing from my normal m+ talents (storm bolt), running The Wall, around 224 ilevel
sick sentinel
run was going okay-ish, then storm took power out for 3 minutes, died to final boss, at least completed and got valor anima emitter now
chilly brook
IS it possible to get the plaguefall secret mount as a prot warrior (or fury)?
I did it as prot with no issue
Didnt run impending victory either
Just yolod it as prot the day it was discovered
cinder storm
@sick sentinel What did you do wrong, what could you have done better, where did you needed shield wall or spell reflect the most, where did you wasted resources or how would you have approached a pull differently?
sick sentinel
we didn't really have any major deaths until after the DC
alot of the pulls that were hard before seemed easier this run.
lavish oracle
Hey, real talk, why do you use elitism helper? Every time I see that addon, I can't fathom why anyone has it
tough patio
I run it but only broadcast to myself because it tilts people who stand in the fire
lavish oracle
It tilts me any time I see it come up for anyone. It's just an irritating toxic addon
tough patio
I'm bad at M+ and just want to know what mistakes I'm making
lavish oracle
Logs and details will both tell you the same info, but as long as you're not broadcasting in party chat anytime anyones hit by any amount of damage, that's fine
sick sentinel
i typically set it to end of dungeon, or silent
that way people aren't getting mad about it mid key
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQX7Zub0ZdI
but it doesn't matter, i can upgrade valor gear now
graceful cobalt
hi what comb trinket is better blood scale with Phial or Bloodscale with Pvp Haste trinket
sweet summit
u can sim it
defensively the pvp trinket is better unless there is a big ilvl difference
graceful cobalt
phial/pvp both 220
solemn current
I know typically we take highest ilvl item, but would it really be worth using 223 haste/mast (with heavy mast) legs over 220 haste/vers (with heavy vers)?
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
we're not lying when we say ilvl>haste>vers :/
strong forum
BUT MUH VERS
tame jasper
Didnt run impending victory either
I did it too, but with it, saved me on final boss, but still first try 🤷♂️
brittle owl
BUT MUH VERS
muh viability
muted arch
anyone know why tanks have to hit gloomveil at the beginning of p2
sweet summit
only reason i can thing of is if said tank is a demon hunter to apply chaos brand
brittle owl
^
muted arch
but why are they hitting gloomveil tho, when he doesnt get killed til after the first hand
shouldnt they be hitting lady sinseeker?
sinsear*
flint wraith
How much of a difference is tauren over orc as warrior tank? Anything noticable? Like you miss the aoe stun, but if you play nf then you prob dont need it?
(changed from vulp to something else cant figure out orc for tmog or tauren)
strong forum
Going from vulp to orc or tauren is a downgrade
So you'd notice an increase in dmg intake actually
But generally racials have no impact on anything noticable
muted arch
zandalari is the way to go
mental scarab
DiD change my mind
strong forum
I wish that was an option
elfin nova
If you're watching naowh's kill vid it's probably just based on which add was harder for them to kill
You can debuff both but at this point it's not exactly needed
I hit sinsear at the start of p2, and sigil gloomveil when i aim the frontal
torpid cliff
I like tauren stun, though other races are probably marginally better
jagged pier
Panda or inting tbh
blazing condor
actually true
daring bay
I am a belf cuz they pretty :3
jagged pier
Thats so based
tame jasper
Tauren warrior since vanilla ❤️
jagged pier
I would say even more based, but i get bored pretty quick and change race like twice a teir prefernce i guess
Im bored of chungus even though i love it
But im sticking with it till sire dies
gaunt dawn
kul tiran 🙂 ?
jagged pier
If only i was alliance
gaunt dawn
😦
jagged pier
Looks like i might go vulp
gaunt dawn
Vulpera is p big
gaunt dawn
get that 👃
jagged pier
XD
gaunt dawn
i did something fantastic this week
i got a parse on slg
😮
i went from 83rd monk in the world
to
83rd
brittle owl
smh not even 69
jagged pier
I just want to be able to parse
jagged pier
Been extending for ages at this point
gaunt dawn
Lil bit of a difference being able to do a couple of aoe spells does
strong forum
Maxi pad
proud carbon
🧐
proud carbon
Hah, you got me 😛
gaunt dawn
How does it feel to be better than 95% of the people here
and more importantly, better than @jagged pier
daring bay
Hmm how much haste do i need for shieldblock to have 12 sec cd?
proud carbon
I wouldn't know, only managed 94.1 average :<
jagged pier
🤔
Not my fault dps cant move from.massacre and mot just dps myself included
Hell be dead soon though
proud carbon
oh rip :S
jagged pier
Sub 20% pulls
proud carbon
at least less time needed in p3 now too 🤞
strong forum
jagged pier
KEKW
jagged pier
at least less time needed in p3 now too 🤞
I believe in the sunday drean then i can start to parse 
proud carbon
GL 🙂
gaunt dawn
p3 is mega chill now for sure
we had a dps dead the whole of p3
sire died after the third price
like he was on 1% before that price
proud carbon
SLG rekill was far harder than I expect Sire rekill to be eek
jagged pier
Yer we just getting used ot p3 like late p3
gaunt dawn
altho
i've found when we have a buyer on SLG
it goes smoother
as timings dont fuck up
jagged pier
But problem is consistantly getting there
proud carbon
i've found when we have a buyer on SLG
obligatory boosting scum comment here 🙂
jagged pier
Yer a lot of our raiders have no gold
We gamble a lot
And then got to win at the speadsheets
strong forum
obligatory boosting scum comment here 🙂
Obligatory "it's free gold"
jagged pier
Swear that was an officee ploy, make spread sheet tracking resources donated so the ppl that werent doing it would be motivated, then nah ppl like me and few other whonhad been just spent millions on resources to give in
Emptied the AH of haunchs several times
gaunt dawn
donating is a scam
gaunt dawn
gbank provides it all, all we ask in exchange is every single BoE that drops
strong forum
We just sold boes, and that's our income for feasts and pots n stuff
gaunt dawn
i provide feats, cauldrons, vantus, armor kits
strong forum
Health pots
gaunt dawn
pots you get yourself
😡
altho i have a fat stack of health pots in gbank so people can just yoink
jagged pier
Yer we get to keep BoEs
strong forum
I now have like 400 pots in my bags
proud carbon
We do BoEs but haven't needed to take them since BFDA to cover raid stuff lol
strong forum
gaunt dawn
proud carbon
reached 9 mill at that point and have just been slowly burning through it 🤷♂️
gaunt dawn
in a 3hr period
proud carbon
2n/week, raid mats don't cost that much
strong forum
200-400k a week for us
gaunt dawn
😐
strong forum
Later on it got cheaper
gaunt dawn
most of that is gonna be buying the pots tho
feats are like 1.3k each
codex is 500-700g each
cauldrons are 9k
strong forum
We buy the mats then craft, comes out at the same as just buying
Feasts we straight up bought
sweet summit
You provide codex???
gaunt dawn
so say you do 40 pulls in a night
52k on feasts
10 codex uses is 5-7k
4 cauldrons is 36k
36+7+52=95k
yeah, why wouldnt you provide a codex
its cheap u kno
jagged pier
4 cauldrons?
gaunt dawn
ensures people are in optimal shit
sweet summit
Idk
Ive never had a guild provide it :/
jagged pier
U raid for 4 hours?
sweet summit
Just buy tomes 4head
jagged pier
Im still using respurces i bought at the statt of the expansion
strong forum
so say you do 40 pulls in a night
52k on feasts
10 codex uses is 5-7k
4 cauldron...
Yeah, so 200k per week
As I've said
sweet summit
I will demand codex'
strong forum
🤷♂️
proud carbon
if you have 0 Alch
strong forum
Usually 3
jagged pier
We use 2
gaunt dawn
I think i usually drop 2 or 3
jagged pier
As enough ppl have alch