protection

[ionic fern]

With the amount of failed 15's i've done more like half a strand.

[brittle owl]

another legend states that every ksm he achieved, his beard became increasingly glorious

so remember kids, you too can turn into a bearded bald chad if you keep pushing yourself

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

:mwahi: emote when

just like this but bald and with a beard

[jagged pier]

I say it needs a mohawk

As lots of ppl think he has one

[brittle owl]

that is clearly his python dick wdym

[jagged pier]

'Takes notes Mwahi has a python dick'

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Mate, you don't even know..

We got :mwahirage:, :mwahihype: and :mwahikawai:

Old guildie made custom ones for me. 😂

[brittle owl]

mwahikawai needs to be a thing

yellow people vote

[sweet summit]

voting yes

[strong forum]

I have these

[sweet summit]

:NomePog:

[strong forum]

NomW

And NomS

[brittle owl]

nomclown looks good too

@jagged pier vote

[ionic fern]

Enjoy.

[strong forum]

Hahaha glorious

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

[jagged pier]

I also enjoy mwahihype but this is pog

[brittle owl]

skintone pepe's are cursed

is a gift

[blazing condor]

[still pagoda]

[jagged pier]

F

When you coming to heal my keys??

[still pagoda]

Someday since I'm mostly dealing with studies atm and just do my weekly 15 with guildies and go on

And I'm still quite bad at it

[ionic fern]

I can heal your keys. 😦

I did the biggest brain tactic yesterday in the SD 15 corridor.
My healer was struggling a bit on keeping me alive (mostly cause i was spamming Revenge) so i just let all the DPS'ers die so i could get Victory Rush procs from all the last hits and heal myself.

[still pagoda]

I can heal few keys this week... If you're up to tolerating 210ilvl healer with not much experience outside of 15s for now

Indeed, playing World of Casualcraft kills your progress

And enjoyment along with it

[jagged pier]

I took a 215 casual guildy to a 17 last night because i didnt want to pug i think youll be fine, he was pretty bad

@ionic fern healing me with victory rush 🤔

[still pagoda]

At least you know your casual guildie can always improve

[ionic fern]

I got a druid. 😦

[jagged pier]

I thought it was feral?

[still pagoda]

With pugs, you know nothing about who they are, what they are and how theu perform

[ionic fern]

No, Feral Mwahi is a joke.

[still pagoda]

I healed his bear few weeks ago

[ionic fern]

Resto Mwahi is where it's at.

[jagged pier]

Well guardian cause feral tank isnt a thing

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys think it's worth to wear 190 legendary instead of a normal piece of armor with 213 ilvl?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

I have the dust for 190 but I want to make a 220 righaway so I'm hesitant if the legendary really worth it. However in my opinion 20 rage and 3 sec shield block won't Do much

[jagged pier]

U dont get legendaries for the ilvl

U get the leggo for the effect it gives

In the case of reprisal its better than all other leggos at 235 even when its 190

And the 20 rage 4 secs of sheild block does and absoulte tone for us

[sick sentinel]

True, it makes it much easier to tank in m+

Jakey helps alot

[jagged pier]

I try

[strong forum]

Yeah he should be Stormforged

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

If MO made a podcast of prot warrior, they should invite you

I'd be interested to listen

[strong forum]

Go jakey

[jagged pier]

If i got invited on a podcast i wouldnt say no, but there are much better prot warriors out there, but thanks for the vote of confidence

[strong forum]

They grow up so fast 🥲

[blazing condor]

instead of getting Jakey they can just have a button that says "Revenj" when its pressed

should be the same

i believe in jakey doe

[jagged pier]

Thats not wrong

[ionic fern]

Most of my legendaries are 190. 😂

[trim bay]

is it ever good to use IQD? i got a 226 and a scale. i normally use scale and phial. just curious

[strong forum]

Na, iqd is mediocre at best

When phial and scale are literally S tier

[ionic fern]

Scale + Phial is big.

[trim bay]

sweet. do you use splinter when pushing? i never know when to switch from phial to the cheat death

like i just shouldnt die i know

[strong forum]

That's for you to decide

We can't tell where you struggle and where you don't

I personally wouldn't run it cuz A) I don't have it B) I don't like cheat death trinkets

[jagged pier]

I agree with Nomes points completely

[brittle owl]

there's a really good pin in HoW about alar

@trim bay

you could argue that number 2 is a good call as well, but keep in mind that defensive pad always carries the risk of making mistakes go unnoticed

if you don't notice the mistake, you don't learn, you run the risk of dying to that mistake in relevant content

[trim bay]

yea that actually makes alot of sense.

[ionic fern]

Oh, which reminds me.

[analog swift]

also alar kills your teammates

[trim bay]

and it would be miss play/not proccing

yea

[brittle owl]

it also resets on death and is an orbital bombardment

[trim bay]

that was a fun learning curve

[analog swift]

yeah had it kill so many people in p3 sire

[brittle owl]

use this information as you will

[analog swift]

note: I was not running it

[strong forum]

Isnt that the screenshot I posted in felhammer

[brittle owl]

no i snipped it rn

but tbh

[strong forum]

Big

[brittle owl]

i thought of u

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

I'm a good boye also, asked permissions and stuff

😂

[brittle owl]

did you tell him

i stole it

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

and that you actually pinned

me

[ionic fern]

Oh no.

Demote me back to SF Valarjar please.

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

Made the cut

I called it in

[brittle owl]

if they ever invite you to a podcast

dm me so i can teach u romanian

[jagged pier]

Yer thats not gunna work i can barely speak english let alone another language

[ionic fern]

Imagine being invited to a podcast. 😦

[jagged pier]

True

[ionic fern]

We'll make our own podcast..with Rage and Shields.

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-dance-gif-5319769

[jagged pier]

Sounds like the best tbh

[strong forum]

Skyhold talks rebirth

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

With washed up players

[brittle owl]

rage and shields is such a good name for a warr podcast

RaS

copyrighted ✅

[ionic fern]

Lemme just delete those messages and Copyright it for myself.

[brittle owl]

too late bucko

see you in court

[ionic fern]

Damn. 😦

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

Imagine having to buy 4 copper gaskets that are priced at like 1 EUR per piece and then having to pay 40 eur for the delivery

[brittle owl]

at least you didn't get them from china

shipping costs are double what they were in december

[sick sentinel]

Use heroic leap

[ionic fern]

Jeh, i got something from the US before and it was only like 15 EUR for delivery.

😦

[sick sentinel]

I'd usually buy other stuff if the seller got more interesting stuff so it worth the delivery

[ionic fern]

Jeah, true. It's just when you need some really specific things in small quantities tho.

[brittle owl]

that's

a really bad habit

[sick sentinel]

Yeah waste of money

[ionic fern]

No, my room full of random stuff i never use begs to differ.

[sick sentinel]

Same lol

[brittle owl]

this economic inefficiency is triggering me

[strong forum]

I only buy when in need, except when I'm on conventions or Festivals, then I feel like I didn't use the opportunity if I don't spend 400€ on 1 weekend

[sick sentinel]

But in your case it's a gasket that'd be in use for years. It's a one time cost

[brittle owl]

44€ worth of gaskets

[ionic fern]

It's in some stupid dimensions, otherwise i'd grab it from local stores.

[brittle owl]

[ionic fern]

😒

[sick sentinel]

Bro

Do you know how many African kids are starving

[brittle owl]

less than you imagine

africa is booming bro, new land of opportunity

you heard it here first

[sick sentinel]

Yeah never heard of it before

Will keep mind though

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

It's booming so much that you get bullied ouf of the country if you're white

South Africa atleast

I have 3 guildies that live there, and man... The stories are wild

[graceful cobalt]

hi wich race on Allianz is best for Warrior Tanks (Raid M+)

[blazing condor]

dwarf probably

but it really doesnt matter that much

[strong forum]

Dwarf

If you go for damage its mechagnome

[graceful cobalt]

what is with Nighelf or Human?

[ionic fern]

Any of the races work.
Dwarf / Dark iron Dwarf are generally superior due to the bleed/magic etc debuff removal.
That said your race won't stop you from doing any of the content so pick what ever looks the nicest for you.

[jagged pier]

Panda or your inting

[still pagoda]

Female draenei or your not a real EU alli player

[amber herald]

fem dwarf > all

[blazing condor]

panda

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

log out

[still pagoda]

[gaunt dawn]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

@gaunt dawn 👀

[gaunt dawn]

hey

[ionic fern]

Hi.

[gaunt dawn]

can you tell me if warrior is going to be fotm

in 9.3?

[amber herald]

maybe 9.4 when we finally get good with scaling

[blazing condor]

is warr a viable tank for 8.2

[ionic fern]

The Crystal ball has spoken.

[jagged pier]

10.0

[gaunt dawn]

Thanks

i'll delete all my other chars now

[jagged pier]

👀

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

@gaunt dawn huge fan of your prot warri guides xoxo

[ionic fern]

Panthea has guides?

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Guides to the heart of many

[blazing condor]

its funny how people can play flawlessly but as soon as they do a key thats 1 level above their best its shit-the-bed-time

[strong forum]

Comfort zone is a bitch

I'm the same tbh, if I haven't done X before I'm on edge doing it

[undone verge]

I just tell myself it’s only 8%

[strong forum]

It's 10%

Soo.. You're lying to yourself

[ionic fern]

I just get invited to the groups without knowing the key level. 😦

Can't stress about it if you don't know about it.

[strong forum]

That's even bigger stress

[undone verge]

When did they change it

[strong forum]

S4 bfa

[ionic fern]

Also..lets be honest...most fuckups at higher keys come from interrupts/cc's.

[undone verge]

God damnit

[ionic fern]

So blame your DPS'ers.

👍

[strong forum]

It went from 8% to 10% per key level

In pre-patch it went down to 8%

Then in SL again back up to 10%

Which is why pre-patch keys were so much easier

[strong forum]

I don't play the blame game :(

I can always play better

[undone verge]

I silently play the blame game like “seriously none of you can interrupt that”

But it’s pugs so I’d be surprised if some of them even had interrupt on their bars

[strong forum]

Well yeah obv

[modern brook]

been doing this for ages

[distant crystal]

the problem i see in pugs mostly is everybody kicking the first spell

then we die like 10sec later

[urban bane]

The triple DPS interrupt is really quite something to behold

[modern brook]

😬

the ultimate play in "nah im doing my part"

[amber herald]

when the WA tracker lights up 😩 👌

[urban bane]

And then we’re spell reflecting boys!

[blazing condor]

"i ref first"

4 interrupts

[fallow jasper]

I just don't expect anything from pugs and I'm much happier playing WoW that way

[modern brook]

the best is when you cant get a kick to go off all key

and then u press spell refelct

[urban bane]

lmaooo

[modern brook]

and everyone remember how to play the game

[high folio]

THIS

[urban bane]

the zen of prot warrior

[undone verge]

like frostbolt on manastorms. Whenever I spell reflect they interrupt, whenever I see everyone has their interrupt so I dont spell reflect, they dont interrupt

[blazing condor]

only problem is that eventually you hit the threshold where you need to have people do their shit properly or there's no point doing the content at all

queue tilt

[modern brook]

that begins at +2 tbh

if we're in a key

[undone verge]

mythic 0

[modern brook]

and you're not paying me

and im carrying your shitter ass

you're wasting my time

I am not good

I shouldnt be the best player in a gruop

[undone verge]

tanks shouldnt be the only people who know the dungeons

dps just ignore stuff and then blame the tank when it goes wrong

[modern brook]

#protection message

also on my list of things to complain about

[fallow jasper]

just want to mention that @modern brook is also a man of culture :v

[modern brook]

dont @ me 😦

[fallow jasper]

😦

[undone verge]

😦

[jagged pier]

@modern brook

[modern brook]

T-T

[fallow jasper]

😄

[strong forum]

@modern brook rogue

[modern brook]

😠

at least im a rogue who knows the routes

also havent logged into my rogue in 2 months

all warrior bby

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-hey-family-guy-runaway-heyily-gif-9319271

[modern brook]

granted ive only afk'd in oribos for $15/month

[undone verge]

my favorite is when I tell the dps "please interrupt this. It does a lot of damage." then we wipe and the healer tells me its hard to heal me, no shit this is doing a large majority of my health, and the dps is doing negative damage

[modern brook]

"its hard to heal this tank" he says through 8 unkicked necrotic bolts

[undone verge]

yes

yeah its hard to heal me when every cast gets off and the pack lasts so longer everything I have is on cooldown

[ionic fern]

Finding a good DPS who actually does damage and more importantly uses their utility correctly is literally gamechanging. 😦

[modern brook]

thanks mwahi :^)

[fallow jasper]

is always sad when I play Hunter and I have more interrupts than a melee

[undone verge]

its always sad when I have more interrupts than every dps combined

[modern brook]

its just always sad guys

lets be real

[strong forum]

It's sad when I play tank and I have more dmg than the dps

[blazing condor]

its always sad

[undone verge]

this

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

[undone verge]

the sad life of a tank

[dusky canopy]

Man plaguefall is terrible I feel like I get trucked in there and have to IP spam to survive the dots

[undone verge]

what keystone level

[blazing condor]

did a pf 21 that held all the way til the ambushers at third boss

then died

too much damaj

on everyone

[undone verge]

plaguefall bosses suck

especially the second boss

[dusky canopy]

For me at 206il anything between +10- +13 so far I've just been getting trucked by dots

And yeah ambushers too

Like 40% of damage taken from just ambushers lmao

[modern brook]

PF is all route and bosses

[blazing condor]

i hate pf as a dungeon

[modern brook]

its like 90% abusing plagueborerers

[blazing condor]

boring asf

its an even worse version of SoB from bfa

[undone verge]

yeah I skip the entire begging of plaguefall

that trash is annoying as hell

[modern brook]

there isnt a single pull you have to do before clearing 3rd boss room where you actually need to dps trash

[undone verge]

are you pulling big groups?

[short kiln]

When you have more damage than the DPS and you out kick them 3:1 it's a sign that your key is probably ripping.

[modern brook]

I dont have the route in front of me

but off memory its a triple into a borer a double into a borer

pride

double double (into borerers)

triple into boreres

pride

[dusky canopy]

I usually run the content creator Dratnos's no skip routes when pugging because most people know those basic routes

[ionic fern]

Still timed. 😂

[undone verge]

I shroud skip at start pride before first boss by double pulling into canisters

[modern brook]

tentacle tentacle, shroud pot to 2nd boss room

clear with (borers)

pride

boss

[undone verge]

plaguefall plagueborers are amazing

[short kiln]

You must have Atlassian shoulders. :)

[modern brook]

im working in atlassian rn :^)

[ionic fern]

I don't even know what that means.

[modern brook]

i believe he's using it as "atlas like"

[short kiln]

Yeah that

[modern brook]

but atlassian is also a SaaS provider

[short kiln]

I made an adjective

[blazing condor]

mythology lesson

[short kiln]

Atlas was supposedly the one who carried the entire world on his shoulders

Just drawing the parallel

[dusky canopy]

So really me doing well in PF as prot war is very reliant on group ability to prevent me from getting dotted up constantly?

[blazing condor]

tank job on PF is basically make sure the plagueborers hit the ads

[modern brook]

your survivability in any key is reliant on your groups ability to do damage

But in PF you're really just abusing borers the whole time

[undone verge]

honestly all the annoying trash just kill with plagueboreres or the canister explosions

skip the first trasj

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I can utilize the borers well I feel when pugging it's hard to bring them into boss room 2 though most people mess that up

[blazing condor]

its not necessary to do that tbh

nice if you can

if not just go miniboss

[modern brook]

🤷‍♀️ its a really wierd strat if u've never done it

[blazing condor]

PF timer is uber-nice

[modern brook]

one of those things were communication helps

[undone verge]

advance plagueborering isnt really necessary until like 20+

[ionic fern]

When you pug you do the most simple routes ever that requires the least effort from your DPS players.

[dusky canopy]

Exactly ^

[undone verge]

yes

[ionic fern]

If you ask them to do anything there's like a 99% chance something goes wrong.

[modern brook]

I hard disagree tbh

I mean

You're right

[blazing condor]

[trim bay]

Whats the break up of your spells for that dmg

5k is huge

[modern brook]

but straight up like if i dont trust the dps to do things i need him too

he shouldnt be in my key

[ionic fern]

Ugh, probably..Revenge.

[dusky canopy]

Pugs will be pugs

[modern brook]

xd

[short kiln]

What trinks are you using @ionic fern ?

[undone verge]

thats why it isnt my key 😉

[ionic fern]

210 scale and 203 Anima

[short kiln]

Thanks!

[blazing condor]

AFE is

[undone verge]

whats the plan for splintered heart

I kinda just want to keep it

[blazing condor]

use it if you play correctly and still get killed

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

oh new pin

pog

[ionic fern]

Old one - just stole from HoW.

[blazing condor]

: O

[modern brook]

i miss the :haft: trash trinket

[blazing condor]

[undone verge]

I like splintered heart because I can save my cooldowns cause I know I have splintered heart

[dusky canopy]

Anima is the trinket from SD that procs aoe?

[modern brook]

yeah the one that puts circles that give haste

[strong forum]

I don't do pugs, so no, I won't kick my friends, only make fun of them

And I would never kick a pug mid key

[short kiln]

That's fair.

[ionic fern]

You don't have to..they will leave after they die like 3 times.

[strong forum]

1 time

[short kiln]

I don't kick ever even if they're terrible

[ionic fern]

We were on track for 2 chest in NW yesterday but the pug died like 3 times and was like "Ok, noob group, bye"

😂

[plush tendon]

I never kick other people, only myself

[strong forum]

Dps dies to avoidable mechanic

SHIT TANK

[short kiln]

Just gotta try to pick up the slack. But yeah that happens a lot. @ionic fern

[strong forum]

People that can't tell if the key is rip or not, but still leave are just weird

[short kiln]

I feel seen.

[undone verge]

people who leave after the slightest hint it wont be timed are weird

[ionic fern]

That's like me Spell stealing the ghost dudes in DoS and then dying due to it and leaving.

[plush tendon]

You shouldnt leave if its like a 14 or 15, but for anything above that, after the key is obviously ripped I think it becomes socially acceptable to leave

[ionic fern]

14-15 is the area where people leave the most.

Everyone knows the best in those keys.

[plush tendon]

And at that level, players have a better sense of whats ripped or not and bring it up

[blazing condor]

people just wanna do their weeklies

FAST

INSTA

[plush tendon]

Yea, blows my mind

[blazing condor]

one wipe? "gg retarts"

[plush tendon]

get yo weekly done or extra chest chance; dont screw some guy over by ripping his 14 key and not helping him finish

thats just bad manners

[blazing condor]

i always prefer finishing

[plush tendon]

for 14s and 15s yes

[blazing condor]

but if you got a big ass tyrannical boss and you wipe with BL and Pride idrk

[plush tendon]

anything higher, its ok to leave should it be ripped

[fallow jasper]

overall, the new scoring system should distribute the pressure away from +15s

[strong forum]

Gimme that retart

[blazing condor]

retart your computer

[inland raft]

Start pulling and still running to anothet pack while mage combusts the 3 pack you just face pulled as part of a larger pull, “shit tank, learn to aggro”

[plush tendon]

the only thing that will matter next patch is if you got all 20s!!!

[blazing condor]

having to time sixteen 15s for KSM next patch

[inland raft]

Just time 8 24s

[fallow jasper]

not exactly

[blazing condor]

gonna be nice with the dungeon portals

[inland raft]

[fallow jasper]

you can +14 some and +17 others and still counts

[strong forum]

Just do your weeklies like normal and you'll get it

Nobody cares about when you got KSM

[blazing condor]

well its kinda the same shit anyway

[strong forum]

Same as nobody cares about when you got CE

[blazing condor]

D:

[strong forum]

Be it at the end of the patch or 1 month in

Nobody checks the date

Only for recruiting, and then it's logs that matter not the achievement

[blazing condor]

m+ logs

[strong forum]

So the achievement itself is entirely useless

[fallow jasper]

like, that means that there's less players with "I NEED to time this +15 for the mount, no I don't care that I only timed a +7, I NEED it"

[strong forum]

Welcome to now knowing that CE itself is worthless

[distant crystal]

stop bully

[strong forum]

Stay woke people

Dont let the media bully you into hunting achievements

[blazing condor]

hunt these nuts lmao

[strong forum]

🥜

[undone verge]

I just want my mount

[blazing condor]

🔫

[ionic fern]

I just want a premade group to do m+ with. 😦

[modern brook]

👀

[ionic fern]

Big sad.

Last time i had fun in WoW was when i had a premade group which was..ee...somewhere in BfA.

[modern brook]

same tbh

[blazing condor]

tfw always had high ambitions but never the resources

[modern brook]

though BfA honestly had good dungeons

didnt mind just pugging them to play them

[analog swift]

at this point i can't wait for prideful to go away

same route week to week

[still pagoda]

[blazing condor]

just play with pug dps and you'll have new routes every dg

[modern brook]

prideful's a b as far as seasonals go

really not that bad

[blazing condor]

its not terrible

[modern brook]

its no oblesik

[blazing condor]

just scales like a bitch

[strong forum]

I've always had high ambitions but then reality kicks in and I'm too lazy to tryhard

[analog swift]

prideful is fun

it just kinda locks you into the same route week after week

[modern brook]

i mean

Prideful doesnt dothat

[analog swift]

"kinda"

[strong forum]

So I just keep to myself, coordinating with people is tiresome

[modern brook]

in s2 you're going to be in the same route week after week too

[analog swift]

hmm maybe

[modern brook]

its just going to be a different route with less focus on 20% timings

[strong forum]

Which is good

The 20% timings were awful

[modern brook]

🤷‍♀️ sure

[analog swift]

idk the 20% just makes it feel so locked in

[strong forum]

Unlike reaping where the pull just turned into big pulls of pad fun

[analog swift]

i never pug any more

[modern brook]

IDK never really minded the 20% timings

[analog swift]

reaping and s2 prot warrior the dream

[strong forum]

Prideful is delicate and slows down gameplay

alot

[modern brook]

^ that much is true at least

[analog swift]

maybe a fix would be prideful spawns when you drop combat

idk

[modern brook]

nah

[ionic fern]

I wouldn't mind prideful if they provided us the chance to skip it consistently if we wanted to. 👀

[modern brook]

then you'd just never drop combat

[strong forum]

Or just make prideful a trivial thing to kill.

So you can pull it together with shit

[analog swift]

eh i do think pridefuls should be hard

[modern brook]

honestly just make the pulsing aoe thing kickable

[strong forum]

And not make it an absolute pain to deal with.

[modern brook]

and like

every complaint is over

[analog swift]

oh that would be cool

maybe make the cast really quick so you couldn't just lock it down the entire time

[modern brook]

Prideful should be hard for what they wanted

but nom's right

it shouldnt just grind the key to a halt

and they tried to address that with the buff

to make the time up

but like good said

at a certain point its just no longer worth the time

[strong forum]

But then they forgot to stop it's scaling, and you need to invest CDs into it

[modern brook]

yeah

but if u make the source of the raid damage kickable

suddenly its a group coordination check

you can pull it with other things pretty easily

the point is im a genius

[blazing condor]

best pride skip is to just leave key at 19%

[ionic fern]

Please no. Every pug will fail it.

[modern brook]

evrey pug fails it anyways

[blazing condor]

told the mage in my 21 to combust every pride

[ionic fern]

Yes. So the easiest thing to do is :
YOu want a pride buff? Kill this dude.
You don't want it ? Feel free to skip it.

[blazing condor]

then he held combust the entire dg

[ionic fern]

Lets gooooooooo

[blazing condor]

and only used on pride

[modern brook]

bro its got a CD 😠 you think he can just have it up ever 45s or something?

[blazing condor]

ur right mb

better to be safe

every 6 min

[modern brook]

IDK thats a weird decision to make from like a game design perspective

[strong forum]

Boomkins and holding CA+convoke forever

Name a better duo

[modern brook]

intentionally adding an affix that is essnetially an optional boss seems really pointless

[strong forum]

"bro I hold for big pull"

[ionic fern]

A lot of the decision they are artificially creating are pointless.

[strong forum]

The boomkin said in SoA

And proceeded to not use CA+convoke for 7 minutes

[blazing condor]

"i dont think we can double pull this because of bursting"
"you can do it i got dps cds"

huh

[modern brook]

just go in bro bursting is a DPSproblem

[blazing condor]

dps is the problem

[still pagoda]

you can always have us

[strong forum]

It's sometimes baffling that people complain about not triple pulling, when I literally play to complete the key in time without fancy shit that can go wrong, and it works 99.9% of the time

[still pagoda]

bursting is a dps problem when dps players are a problem

STOP PROLONGING YOU FUCKING MONGOS

[modern brook]

laughs in cloak

[still pagoda]

i'm not laughing

since i'm a healer in such situations

[modern brook]

just pop ur immunity 4head

[still pagoda]

i usually just dispel myself

[ionic fern]

laughs in dwarf racial

[modern brook]

mwahi gets it

[fallow jasper]

people want MDI super pulls without even popping CDs.

🤷‍♂️

[modern brook]

PPL honestly believe you need to do mdi strats to time a 15 dude

[still pagoda]

^

and it's disgusting

[ionic fern]

"I'll do MDI pulls if you'll do MDI DPS/interrupts".

[fallow jasper]

like, you can't even do skips with pugs, so rather just do the safe boring pulls each time

[ionic fern]

[fallow jasper]

ezpz

[modern brook]

You ever pug Mists

and ppl fuck up the sap/imprison/mindwhatever skip

the ones thats literally "walk forward"

like its may dude

how do you not get it

[blazing condor]

i like that you can just heroic leap over the hill to the other side

too bad you usually go get mushrooms first now

so its kinda useless

[fallow jasper]

I just don't expect pugs to be able to do skips. it pretty much increases your success rate by itself

[blazing condor]

too bad that skip is pretty mandatory for good pride

[fallow jasper]

well tough

[modern brook]

mist prides are just scuffed to shit period

[blazing condor]

i like the pride after 2nd boss on first pack

then into double pull

into more pride into double pull

zoom zoom

[lime urchin]

so

anway

I have been doing Spires for years now

to get that sweet sweet haste trinket

never lucky right?!

[modern brook]

u mean the agility one?

[lime urchin]

\o/

look what the mailman brought me today!

[modern brook]

AFE is from spires? huh

grats

[lime urchin]

Oryphrion, yes

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

grats

[meager locust]

I still use emitter with bloodscale its awesome

[rugged mural]

Emitter much better than SLHeraldry?

[jagged pier]

For m+ imo yes

All depends if u can stack the trinket

[sick sentinel]

whats the correct play on this pack

[tame jasper]

on fortified: focus the mobs so (at best) they don't mutate

[sick sentinel]

it's a channel and if they die in that time they don't get it i guess?

so if its executed down fast

[inland raft]

honestly at higher key levels just focus the adds

always'

[jagged pier]

Always focus adds rbh

Tbh*

Unless its like m0

[sick sentinel]

i thought i saw something about if you silence the guy and all 5 players take him to out of LOS you can simply kill him because he cant't los any mobs to heal

[inland raft]

if just doing weekly keys 14/15 on tyr you can get away burning him usually i feel like but then i only play with friends so if doing 14/15 its just one persons alt in the group so idk

but ya generally just focus the adds

i usually split my gruop into quadrants and have them focus a section

[sick sentinel]

yeah, if i knew a 95% way that i could cheese that pull i would totally do it

[inland raft]

i mean theres no cheese, at lower levels if got good players and cds you can burn him after his instant cast and before his second cast, but its not even a time save tbh cuz you commit cds to it

just focus the adds

[sick sentinel]

go from pack to pack and then the boss or right to mini boss guy

[inland raft]

i pick up boss and bring him into the room so can call kicks and then assign dps to quadrants but whatever works best for your group

first set will always mutate cuz he casts immediately, you got a decent chunk of time to clear the rest

[gaunt dawn]

remember the other day i was talking about my recordings being way too big in file size

found out why 🙂

I was recording in lossless

😅

[jagged pier]

[gaunt dawn]

So uh

There is some CRISP video for 9/10 bosses

moving it down to 12k bitrate 4k video

[sick sentinel]

hunters and druids for remove enrage thats it right

[lime urchin]

rouges can too

[gaunt dawn]

rogue

https://www.tanknotes.com/mythic-plus/dungeon-tips#Getting-to-Know-Your-Group-Comp

so uh, file size went from 1gb per minute to 100mb per minute

with no real loss in quality 👀

[modern brook]

lessloss

[sick sentinel]

is that shiv/numbing posion thing all specs?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

i asked our rogue if he knew how to do it and he said he "not really never did it before"

[gaunt dawn]

🙂

you can ask druids and hunters the same thing

and get a similar reply

[sick sentinel]

maybe just get a drood healer instead

[modern brook]

its new to SL

and its not on the tool tip unless you have numbing applied

numbing is also overrated

[sick sentinel]

it's one of those take one for the team abiliities

[modern brook]

in keys its pretty much only useful for having a soothe if you dont have a druid/hunter

[sick sentinel]

would be fantastic against mobs that cast 5 second long shadow bolts

[modern brook]

the actual passive poison doesnt really do anything compared to the utility of having a free passive 50% slow for literally nothing

[sick sentinel]

make it 10 seconds instead and pop it at last 0.1 second

[distant crystal]

damn

the guy who made Prat died

[sick sentinel]

i sorta know what that is

[signal plover]

Great Chat addon

[distant crystal]

yep, i stopped using it when i switched to elvui but been thinking about going back

the [say grats] button is clutch

[chilly brook]

Tbf the slow doesnt always do anything as well

[hollow sun]

Rogue enrage dispel is not too reliable

[chilly brook]

Wat

[hollow sun]

If the Rog is assassination he needs shiv for damage

[chilly brook]

Its worked everytime I've pressed it

[hollow sun]

And the cd is 24sec

[chilly brook]

Assassination in keys

[hollow sun]

Yeah but it's not about it not working

[distant crystal]

sin can hold shiv for an enrage lol

it's not like they're surprises

[chilly brook]

I mean sin in keys

Kekw

[modern brook]

Sin's damage profile is really good for keys

[distant crystal]

hey man maybe they'll make an echoing blades leggo

[hollow sun]

Yeah but you would rather take a class that can dispel more often and not sacrifice dps

[chilly brook]

And so is outlaw

[distant crystal]

like an outlaw rogue? 😄

[hollow sun]

Idk I play sin in 17s and I often outdps the others

[modern brook]

🤷‍♀️

[hollow sun]

50% passive slow

Pretty good imo

[distant crystal]

I haven't seen any sin in keys this season but I think they just started being actual good dps recently right

[modern brook]

If yall really think assa is dog shit cause outlaw exists i cant help you 🤷‍♀️

[chilly brook]

It's not shit but outlaw is definitely better

[modern brook]

hardly

its played more

[distant crystal]

idk who actually does more dmg in key situations but

[hollow sun]

Damage wise is a little better but nothing groundbreaking

[distant crystal]

if they're close, outlaw is better

because util

[chilly brook]

I mean

Only 1 assassination 3k io

[hollow sun]

It's more about the gourge and not relying much about stealth

[chilly brook]

And hes 400 io above everyone else

[distant crystal]

gouge, being able to use vanish for utility, having lower vanish cd, etc

[chilly brook]

Theres a whole page of outlaws at 3k up to 3600

[modern brook]

1. gouge is nice 2) vanish is a dps cooldown for most outlaw rogues

3. assa onyl recently became a spec comparing io scores is very disingenuine

[distant crystal]

it's MUCH less needed for dps than it is for sin

[modern brook]

its uhh not

[chilly brook]

Well

[hollow sun]

Well true but I would take the 50% slow in any circumstance. Personal opinion off

[chilly brook]

If assassination was better for keys

[modern brook]

garrote stopped being all of assa's damage when ss left

[chilly brook]

You'd see the top rogues swapping in keys

But they're still running outlaw

[modern brook]

⚔️ 🗡️

[distant crystal]

the tyrannical score change is prob gonna be stonks for sin tho

[chilly brook]

Sure

But that's where sin is actually better

Is single target/execute damage

[hollow sun]

It's not too big of a difference tbh, against outlaw

But it's good

[modern brook]

^

[distant crystal]

it's burst

burst is a very desirable dmg pattern and sin gots it

[hollow sun]

Problem is that everyone wants you to use it on pride

[chilly brook]

Yknow who else has burst?

Ret pally 1m build go brrrrr

[modern brook]

doesnt have gouge

its shit

[distant crystal]

"got melee'd"

[hollow sun]

Got aggro, plis help

[chilly brook]

Has aoe gouge

📈

[distant crystal]

mage has better aoe gouge

better dps

and more tanky

kek

[chilly brook]

[distant crystal]

Was pretty wild when I found out that they took the tankiest caster spec and added alter time to their kit

[chilly brook]

On a serious note, it'd be nice to see ret have its day in pve

[distant crystal]

idk why they changed that "pump when your friends die" passive

felt like it was pretty fine before, now it's kinda doodoo

[chilly brook]

No one likes ret aura

It needs to go back to just being thorns

[modern brook]

eh. they knew what they were getting into when they chose to play paladin

[spiral warren]

What kinda trinkets you guys running on prot?

[inland raft]

I run scale and cheat or slg depending what doing

Spires trinket is good too

And phial

[brittle owl]

you mean being completely shit?

at least there's high value plays with current ret aura

both pvp and pve

[spiral warren]

I main fury and have been dabbling in tank so just seeing if I had some overlap trinkets. Thanks @inland raft

[sick sentinel]

how about meathook for prot

[jagged pier]

its okay on ST

[sick sentinel]

its only one i have upgradeable thats viable

got a 194 scale but i can't upgrade either and the 20s cd heart trinket as well.

[inland raft]

Scale is bis rest of expansion barring any insane trinket from future tiers but i hate thought of spendint valor on sub 210 pieces

[sick sentinel]

far as armor gets i'm going to shoot for haste/versa gear (doesn't really matter the prio) hopefully with sockets whatever, upgrade shit out of those

try to do 1 or 2 weapons and whole bunch of trinkets main focus for me would be trinket and shield

[chilly brook]

Eh its vastly more useful in 99% of situations as just a thorns than what it is now

In pve you're basically banking on people dying which is dumb random and also completely selfish which doesnt fit into the class theme

In pvp you're sacrificing a global to let someone die basically

[distant crystal]

but parsing 100% on prog wipes...

that's class fantasy baby

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that group wasn't going anywhere fast

[strong forum]

Bro @jagged pier you ready for s2 week1 being fort

The trifecta

Of getting shit on as tank

[signal plover]

Izzi game 4 babies

[strong forum]

Keys scale up higher, K value changes, and you just went from tyr mobs to fort mobs. In 1 game

15s are gonna destroy harder than 20s

[elfin nova]

And everyone in the guild needs you for weeklies

[chilly brook]

F for the k value

[signal plover]

Just tank it

What are u gonna do

Not tank it?

Nah you'll tank it

Izzi

[chilly brook]

Actually not looking forward to the seasonal reset

[signal plover]

Just TBC it

[chilly brook]

Its gonna feel like ass getting trucked

[signal plover]

Idk if my raid team gonna survive sire tbh

[chilly brook]

First night for sire was tuesday

[signal plover]

CE streak in potential jeopardy

[chilly brook]

We makin it to p2

Or at least some of us are

Kekw

[signal plover]

It's roughly 100 pulls per phase atm

P1 is rly easy to get through

[chilly brook]

You'd be surprised lol

[signal plover]

Getting through without deaths consistently while accounting for blizz server memes is what gets ya

That's wot I'm saying

[chilly brook]

I definitely wish I wasn't tanking this boss

[signal plover]

It's izzi to reach P2 without rly reaching P2 ya kno

[chilly brook]

I wanna be fury and go brrrrrr

[elfin nova]

The only one that really matters is the K value

[signal plover]

It's a gud tank fite

K-pop value

[elfin nova]

You're going to be doing a 15 instead of a 20 or w/e

[chilly brook]

Yes but it's also a good fury fight

[elfin nova]

Korayn going in

[signal plover]

Retail wow is seasonal...getting slapped at the start of a patch cycle shouldn't be surprising

[chilly brook]

Fr tho like we were having issues with killing the shades on tuesday or w/e they're called and I'm sitting here like "if only I could bladestorm reck"

[sweet summit]

u can

just use signet

4heed

[chilly brook]

Gross

[elfin nova]

And hit half of them

Nowadays we have frost dk dragons on first wave

Pad galore

[chilly brook]

They get deleted the first wave

[jagged pier]

i am ready to get arse blasted yes

can stream it and u can laugh at me just dying

[sudden linden]

servus welcher packt macht sinn beim prot?

[ionic fern]

Kyrian or NF.

But in general any of the 4 work.

[jagged pier]

thats what it said

[chilly brook]

Some sort of Germanic language

[strong forum]

We speak English here, sir.

[sick sentinel]

yup, that HOA i just tried, died to first pull then a wipe, then as we spawned pride the red bar guy got pulled

wipe, nope, im out

[undone verge]

that was out of context lol

he just said "season 1 for comparison"

[sudden linden]

sry next time in english^^

[sick sentinel]

he's asking which pact makes most sense for prot

[rancid ember]

Doesn't matter what language you ask in. Mwahi knows

[urban portal]

is there any merit to skipping the last pride on mists?

since you reach like 90 something percent on final boss

is it better to do boss then hit 100 to skip the p?

[rancid ember]

Not really needed for last boss so generally it's a time save in higher keys. We usually don't trigger the Pride until after last boss is dead.

[strong forum]

I know, I'm German too, but this is an English discord

[fierce field]

queens english, or real english? 🙂

[modern brook]

i thought you were norway

:/

[strong forum]

Na thats erga

[modern brook]

i thought erga was french

im not good at the eu

is norway even in the eu?

I actually dont know

[fierce field]

yes?

wait. no

[strong forum]

It's in europe

But not part of EU

[modern brook]

yeah ok i no longer feel bad

yall just make shit up

Eu but not EU

😦

[strong forum]

EU is like US(but not just 1 country) , but Europe is like NA

Get it

[amber herald]

🇬🇧

[modern brook]

So who's the EU's florida?

[strong forum]

That thing above you

[modern brook]

nice

Also here in the US

basically everything on NA is "america"

because thats us

[strong forum]

Spoken like a true freedomer

[modern brook]

its tough being the most free dude

[sweet summit]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

[modern brook]

iunno u type french bro

[sweet summit]

how

[strong forum]

Haha

[sweet summit]

:(

[modern brook]

bro its just how it is

[strong forum]

It smells French

[sweet summit]

...

[strong forum]

OK

[modern brook]

yeah look at that elipse

[sweet summit]

thats so toxic

[modern brook]

frenchest thing ive seen in years

[fierce field]

le toxic

[modern brook]

le toxique

[amber herald]

hon hon hon

[sweet summit]

:/

[amber herald]

je suis une frite

[fierce field]

It's ok Erga... I think bullfango types in french canadian 🙂

[modern brook]

nah bro my typing is like full on New Jersian

[fierce field]

you do bro a lot...

[modern brook]

I do

[sweet summit]

brug

[chilly brook]

Bro isn't a french canadian thing bro

[fierce field]

yeah, i was acknowledging he was much more jersey

[chilly brook]

Not even just a Jersey thing bro

[fierce field]

French Canadian would be more Breaux

[chilly brook]

[fierce field]

more of a chad thing

[signal plover]

Bruh

[cinder nova]

You guys see how Blizz is killing M+?

They can't seem to resist shooting themselves in the foot.

[signal plover]

The KSM thing?

[modern brook]

Just seems like a game time grab

[cinder nova]

Based on the article it also says this...

A small amount of points (essentially up to ~10) are awarded** or subtracted** based on how much faster or slower the dungeon was completed.

I sincerely hope they don't actually cause failed keys to tank io.

LFG M+ will be dead for anything under maybe 10 or 12.

[modern brook]

isnt uhhh that how io works now

[cinder nova]

No???

What the fuck

Your score never depletes from failing a key.

You just get less io from doing so if you complete it.

(e.g.) An +18 normally gives ~215 if you fail it by less than 10s you might get a little above or below 200 io.

[modern brook]

Oh you're interpretting it differently

[cinder nova]

But your actual score will not drop.

[modern brook]

that just read to me as -10 for failing

honestly who gives a shit

if the system is dog we just continue using io

[lime urchin]

Yall track score?

[cinder nova]

You forget that R.io was collaborating to make this.

They might be forced to shutter, who knows.

I also hate how they're making it linear.

The cool part of R.io was that like key difficulty being exponential, the reward of score was too.

It felt good.

Getting 10 io for doing a +19 or +20 feels like ass because you get the same reward for doing a +5 at a certain point.

Just sucks, who the fuck runs the design team

[blazing condor]

link to article?

[cinder nova]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/season-2-keystone-master-requires-15s-on-both-tyrannical-and-fortified-in-patch-322523

[blazing condor]

ty

[cinder nova]

Also, enjoy your new KSM mount. Twice the work and all they did was drop the texture in photosop and turn up the saturation slider.

Multidollar company at work lol

[chilly brook]

On some level I actually dont think its stupid

KSM isn't exactly hard to get

[cinder nova]

It's not, but it's bullshit that it's twice the work.

[chilly brook]

And doing 15s on tyrannical isn't very hard either

Plus it's not you have to do 15s on both

[cinder nova]

You do.

[chilly brook]

No you dont

You have to reach 2k

You gain 100% score from the highest key

[cinder nova]

Which hashes out mathematically to a median 15 across both

[chilly brook]

And I think like 30% from the other kind of key

[stark sage]

yeah but you might push to 17s on an easy week ,and have a 13 or w/e done for tyr

[chilly brook]

Aka you could do a 19 and a 10

Or something like that

[modern brook]

I mean the only part of if that is really dumb

[stark sage]

i mean its dumb still

[modern brook]

is that they're doing this instead o just removing Fort/Tyr

[stark sage]

but its not that dumb

[cinder nova]

Bruh if you wanted to solo key KSM it's +24 across the baord

[modern brook]

no one likes it

[cinder nova]

GL mate

[stark sage]

this tbh

[cinder nova]

It's bullshit and I think the idea of simping this change is pretty silly

[modern brook]

I still think you're misinterpretting the article S.

[cinder nova]

It's obviously just time-grabbing and bullshit

If you don't want ever want to play on one affix, Mythie's approximation says that you'll need to complete +24s to receive the required score.

[stark sage]

really all it does is slow down KSM a bit, and shits on casuals who can't do tyr keys at ~15

[stark sage]

i mean that's a strawman, obviously no one is going to skip every single tyr week

[cinder nova]

I'm just tired of Blizzard doing this shit. They finally had a semi-acceptable M+ scene, decent dungeons, and they were about to release a pretty nice reroll system so people could pick and choose.

Find me the reason why this change should exist.

[stark sage]

your average 15 tyr key isnt that hard

[cinder nova]

What problem is this fixing?

What improvement is this giving?

[modern brook]

raider.io

[chilly brook]

So the thing is

As long as they're keeping tyrannical there is value in having a separate score for it

And seeing what people have done on that affix

[modern brook]

I think the linear score thing is kinda dumb

[chilly brook]

Ideally they remove tyrannical

[stark sage]

idk if its improving anything, its just combining the current KSM system and the new score system
consolidating these ideas isnt bad on its own

[modern brook]

esp once you start moving into the 20s

the difference between 20 and 21 is big

and it only gets bigger as you move up

[chilly brook]

But it's really not that dumb imho

[chilly brook]

Yep

[modern brook]

Its a ratio thing

[chilly brook]

That I agree with

[modern brook]

with sufficient #s theres no real difference, its just a feels bad

[stark sage]

it wont affect you really at all if you normally push into the 20s, because you are going to be able to do 15 tyr keys no problem

mostly it will just gate casuals a bit more

[modern brook]

good

😠

[stark sage]

i mean yeah, gating casuals is important

[modern brook]

make KSM mean something

if KSC is aotc, KSM should be ce

and KSM is aotc tbh

if i can make an analogy.

even with this change it doesnt feel much harder just longer

[stark sage]

i think the problem is that tyr and fort are imbalanced still, and this change is only going to make that imbalance more noticeable

[lime urchin]

But how they gone decide the difficulty then

[modern brook]

theoretically

couldnt you get KSM with only untimed keys

with this method of scoring

[cinder nova]

Assuming they don't actually cost you score if you fail, which knowing Blizzard they might be tempted to do to pad out time played further

I feel like they're just making changes like these to pad time played quarterlies so they can tell their investors they're definitely doing great guys, nothing to worry about!