Melee guy
#protection
strong forum
real thunder
and then when there are 2 casters, do you focus through her shield or switch off of her?
strong forum
I kill the not necro casting bitch 2nd usually
Cuz the necro bolt itself isn't too dangerous
But the plague or w/e caster actually does damage
real thunder
thx
strong forum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my thought process
jagged pier
i always thought the shield did damage to the target it was linked to not on
tender pecan
How does damage prevented by intervene show up on WCL
distant crystal
blazing condor
Anyone has any idea what damage per sec overall is normal for 20ish?
Obv depends on dungeon
But roughly
elfin nova
you mean the damage you are doing
signal plover
4-5k ish
elfin nova
4.5-5k is a reasonable ballpark
sweet summit
m+ talents basically, assuming you play reprisal too
lunar jackal
yeah i do
Can you be a tad more specific like ive seen a lot regarding the last 2 rows in m+
and played different talents as well lol
signal plover
Ravager/AM actually works rly well on SLG
strong forum
There's only 1 regular im + build
Itf/Hr is only for omega turtle 25++ keys
And even then its debatable
lunar jackal
aight thnx
strong forum
Rav+am is the regular build that will fit all your needs assuming you actually play to its strengths
Which is big damn and alot of charges
lunar jackal
cool thnx
blazing condor
you mean the damage you are doing
Nah damage taken
overall damage taken per second
just realized i didnt say that in my original post lol oops
blazing condor
yeah i realize its not really a metric most people would know roughly ns hit
as well as that
just curious if there were any number somewhere
sweet summit
as long as u dont die its fine ๐
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
elfin nova
if you want a real number you can look at logs
(it won't be the same as details, it includes when you're not in combat)
jagged pier
just have block up 
blazing condor
i have block up
still hurty 
imma have to log some runs i feel like i take a billion damage in general right now
compared to usually
elfin nova
did you accidentally equip a level 50 shield
sweet summit
chad
blazing condor
or cloak of coordination or whatever its called'
elfin nova
no sire helm in cache
sweet summit
strong forum
no cache in sire helm
sweet summit
brittle owl
cache no sire helm in
sweet summit
signal plover
helm's deep
fathom spindle
A little late.
But is there a consistant way to dodge overhead slash, or do you just need to block it?
fathom spindle
Stupid boss ๐ก
Still better than last boss in DoS as monk ๐คทโโ๏ธ
His DoT double dipped on Tyrannical, and his smash bypassed stagger, which meant the DoT ticked for 15k every second, on a +15.
Nowadays i can Spell reflect 50% of those smashes ๐
strong forum
The cultured men's way
fathom spindle
Exactly ๐ช
proper crest
Hey guys, just got Donny MM weapon today, but I was wondering, as you can see on both screenshot, the dps, speed and stats given by the weapons (axe and sword) are exactly the same. The only difference here is the damage range. Pretty sure it's the same overall but hey, what's your opinion about it ? Which one should I take ? Is there a real difference ?
sweet summit
there is no difference
signal plover
They're exactly the same, it's just a cosmetic difference at this point
proper crest
Yeah true but then, why is the range different ? Is the range used in any calculation ?
sweet summit
flavour
signal plover
Ask blizz
proper crest
Ahah ok that's what I thought. Thanks friends ๐
vivid forge
you can single minded fury with those lol
proper crest
If anybody know if there's a reason (other than flavour or "cosmetic"), please let me know !
vivid forge
and if he's wrong at all (probably not) its going to be extremely miniscule
proper crest
Yeah yeah no worries, I'm just curious
vivid forge
thats what the discord is for ๐
proper crest
That was probably used back in the day, no real reason to change now so... that's just how it is now
undone verge
do drums work 100% like lust or is it diminished
signal plover
Diminished
undone verge
kk
topaz dragon
Hey fellows! Im swapping to prott warr from bdk for my raid team in 9.1, now that we have CE and I can start practicing my new class.
The main difference between NF and Kyr is that NF may lose damage due to boss movement, but NF is largely superior in keys?
Otherwise I may have to switch from NF to Kyr since the potion+other memes may be better
strong forum
NF is more dmg
Kyrian is better overall but slightly less damage and for dungeon bonuses cuz hardly anyone is kyrian
topaz dragon
Just reread the FAQ, Venthyr is top for reasons? I'll be PvPing aswell so the condemn may be poggers
strong forum
Venthyr is viable, but borderline useless in m+
topaz dragon
hahahha
strong forum
well thats just a fact
topaz dragon
Ill have to look into this more. I dont mind staying NF. I love it in keys and ive finished the story >.>
strong forum
can very well stay NF, nothing wrong with that, it has its benefits aswell
Kyrian potion is good QoL to cleanse nasty debuffs every now and again in m+
but nothing major
high folio
so is bolster really not all that worth running anymore w reprisal?
strong forum
yup
high folio
how so? dont they both ignore the mitigation cap?
high folio
ahh, and ig the strength of that talent isnt in the CDR
strong forum
no
high folio
gotcha
strong forum
youd lose out on damage from not playing AM and lose potential SW casts
strong forum
HR only if you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY need those last 10% block uptime on ultra keys
strong forum
absolutely
high folio
kewl
strong forum
i wouldnt dare to touch HR below 22/23
high folio
i like moar prot deeps
strong forum
maybe even higher
strong forum
ive youre more comfortable playing HR it wont hurt you obv
but its a dmg loss and shouldnt be needed
its your character / game afterall
high folio
thats fair
id rather run AM anyways tbch
i got into a heated discussion w my guild master as to why i dont run draven in prot
i told him bc nadja mini lust in keys is wild and i like damage
strong forum
cuz you spend almost no time below 40% hp to benefit off of the 10% DR
its not worth it
high folio
that too
i told him that if a prot warrior is that low hes in trouble
we need bomb healing at that point, which would also devalue that 10% DR
high folio
agreed
strong forum
so many people coming in here with the bullshit that their RLs are telling them
actually maddening
"bro vers bro" - fuck off
high folio
it took me forever to convince them that haste is so much more valuable then verse on a warrior
like dont get me wrong, vers is a wonderful tank stat
high folio
but haste literally has infinite interactions w prots kit
strong forum
you wont survive magically by just equipping vers
high folio
agreed
strong forum
95%+ survival comes from playing well and playing together with your group
high folio
like i understand why its awesome on a blood dk bc they can double dip
strong forum
not from "just slap on vers retard"
high folio
also agreed
yeah, thats why i dont prio vers v hard
haste > everything at our current gear levels
strong forum
i crafted reprisal with crit haste instead of haste vers out of spite
high folio
that some booty
modern brook
not from "just slap on vers retard"
Slap on verse retard works thougg
It let's the 2heads play the spec
Ip spam and all
high folio
lmao
modern brook
Turns out the games not hard
modern brook
True heros
high folio
^^^^^
high folio
im dead serious i had to break down every single interaction haste has w prot to get my guild leads to understand it lmao
modern brook
Frankly
sturdy sable
Having to explain how classes work yo raid leaders is a bit rough lol
modern brook
If you're the reason you team is wiping and ur on a double digit pull, you got issues outside of gearing
high folio
more rage, more damage, shorter cooldown which give more rage, shorter cooldowns to have more mit uptime, more rage to spend on mit
on and on and on and on
modern brook
Raid tanking is so fucking zzzzzzzzz
modern brook
try raidleading as MT Bullfango
Why would I do two things that aren't fun
strong forum
said the rogue
high folio
yeah i have my reservations ab them but overall theyre cool, just none of them play a prot warrior
modern brook
Smh
modern brook
ใใดใyใกใใฆใใใใใฆใใgใใใใดkใฎใmใght every time the rogue thing comes up I know I'm right
...
Oops
high folio
to add insult to it, our tank officer mains a veng dh 
sweet summit
??????????????
strong forum
to add insult to it, our tank officer mains a veng dh <:peepostudy:6172595545306...
my cotank was also VDH, im easier to heal
high folio
my cotank was also VDH, im easier to heal
prot life is the only life
modern brook
Eve y Chime Ero Gutain g Komesupi k's m ri ght
I accidently turned on my weeboard while typing
strong forum
LMAO
high folio
like my thing is that, i may be doo doo at this game
but dont contest me ab my prot warrior
its all i play
sit down
vers casual
strong forum
yeah i got Really angry whenever people start to make tank jokes in raiding
ngl
thats the 1 thing im proud of
idk
modern brook
Bro imagine being on pull like 85 of council and ppl are joking about you being prot
Like
strong forum
it was a huge trigger for some reason
modern brook
That's the reason you're approaching triple digits
fathom spindle
yeah i got *Really* angry whenever people start to make tank jokes in raiding
Let us here a tank joke
strong forum
its not a joke joke
analog swift
tank dps doesn't matter
strong forum
moreso critique
fathom spindle
Ahh
strong forum
tank dps doesn't matter
bro
the classic
"why arent you playing defensive trinkets"
that shit
GETS ME BOILING
modern brook
LOOOL
modern brook
Yeah nom
modern brook
If u played defensive trinkets u could live ab extra 8 seconds after the wipes called
That's pretty pog
strong forum
arent tanks supposed to live
fathom spindle
Only to hear: Die faster
high folio
i still want that bubble tink from dos tho, i got 226 armor kit instead this week
fathom spindle
I got it today Dangerdolan ๐
high folio
time to commit die
fathom spindle
And my friend got his souletting from ToP (BiS for him).
high folio
i took some haste crit gloves bc they were a mild stat upgrade for arms and fury
strong forum
scale is overrated
high folio
itd still be nice
fathom spindle
Naah, itโs fantastic
stark sage
"why arent you playing defensive trinkets"
our BM almost rage quit because one of our healers kept asking about defensive trinkets
bold wave
and tank shit like a man
Just jumped into this convo and the first thing I see lol
strong forum
i legit had a spergout on EP because of that
fathom spindle
With all the magic/DoTs/bleeds etc, Scale is really neat.
You Rarely use it in physical scenarios though
bold wave
Can you fellas tell me if there's a soft cap on vers/haste?
strong forum
nop
stark sage
i'm RL, had to keep telling the guy
we arent wiping because tank is using a dps trinket
strong forum
39% technically
high folio
imo we havent had defensive trikets worth running since legion
modern brook
Can you fellas tell me if there's a soft cap on vers/haste?
The cap is whatever you want it to be
high folio
writhing heart of darkness was fucking insance
fathom spindle
Nโzoth was broken
strong forum
diamond was also good passive mitigation
urchin and edict were also pretty nice passive healing/mit
not great
but nice
bold wave
The cap is whatever you want it to be
Gotchya, vers first, haste after and mastery to follow for m+
high folio
i didnt see much of BFA, didnt really play it
strong forum
Gotchya, vers first, haste after and mastery to follow for m+
oh god
high folio
Gotchya, vers first, haste after and mastery to follow for m+
fuck, its haste > everything
modern brook
Well that's two separate sentences
strong forum
bull what did you do
strong forum
ilvl > haste >> vers
bold wave
Well obv lol
strong forum
ye but you said vers first
high folio
er well what nom said, ilvl first ofcourse
fathom spindle
Def trink > ILVL* ๐๐
fathom spindle
So you avoid them non joke jokes ๐
bold wave
Ah
high folio
prot warr > your panzy ass jumpy demon elf
bold wave
Okay, and for raids
strong forum
same
modern brook
strong forum
ilvl > haste >> vers for raid and m+
high folio
your rage generation, amount of IP cats, and SB uptime will do infinitely more for you then vers ever will
high folio
ive thought ab stack mastery again out of spite
modern brook
secondaries can be described pretty quickly in the sentence: "If you're asking it doesnt matter"
fathom spindle
Vers is sweet though.
Natural magic mitigation ๐๐
strong forum
mastery is underrated this time around
fathom spindle
Goes along well with a juicy Def trinket
high folio
crit blocking is insance
strong forum
because we dont get mastery steroids
high folio
grahn is asking to get murdered lmao
strong forum
ohgod now hes ramping
bold wave
Oof
high folio
scale is in a league of its own
fathom spindle
Just having some fun, sorry lads ๐ฅฐ
high folio
its one of the 2-3 defensivive trinkets that are worth a damn
stark sage
ohgod now hes ramping
why run reprisal, the wall seems so much defensive oriented ๐
modern brook
fun is banned
strong forum
why run reprisal, the wall seems so much defensive oriented ๐
you meant to say signet, it gives so much rage bro
bold wave
Im just trying to get back into a more hardcore playstyle after being casual for 5 months so im trying to figure out things
high folio
i run the revenge leggo with BSC
modern brook
you meant to say signet, it gives so much rage bro
???????? p sure u cant tank without leaper leggo, else ur just outclassed by more mobile tanks :/
strong forum
tru tbh
stark sage
kiting is meta
high folio
lmaooooo
strong forum
with triple leap youre quite the vdh cuz its totally still not a 30sec CD after you went frog mode
modern brook
The true build is Leaper + double time + bounding stride + fortified speed
high folio
f a s t
stark sage
strong forum
fathom spindle
Sephuz for me.
80 strength = more armor.
So a DPS and Def gain, i kill stuff before it can kill me
high folio
LMAO
strong forum
Im just trying to get back into a more hardcore playstyle after being casual for...
nothing wrong with that, rn we are in meme mode
strong forum
Im just trying to get back into a more hardcore playstyle after being casual for...
but just stick around, actual information flows through here sometimes
fathom spindle
Same could be said about leaper ๐คทโโ๏ธ
high folio
Im just trying to get back into a more hardcore playstyle after being casual for...
yeah this orginally started bc we were raging ab non tanks telling tanks how to tank
modern brook
Im just trying to get back into a more hardcore playstyle after being casual for...
highly recomend you check through the icy vein guide
bold wave
Rofl, ive been in the discord but I haven't taken a looksie in here in forever lol
modern brook
Most real advice as far as macro character decisions is just some interpretation of whats written in there
@ionic fern
Dolan wants to fight
sorry des :^(
dusty prairie
what slot is recommended to craft Reprisal, pants for more stats?
fathom spindle
Yeah
high folio
best case pants yeah
modern brook
๐
modern brook
i think Sylvanas has boots?
@sweet summit was lecturing me on this
so theoretically pants continue to be ebst option in 9.1
high folio
same w my signet, i crafted wrists bc i said fuck that to whoever was selling he 190 ring for 20k
late maple
Who pinged me god dammit
late maple
๐
high folio
^ HE DID SIR
modern brook
I typed "mwa" and it ping'd you :^(
stark sage
what slot is recommended to craft Reprisal, pants for more stats?
best to upgrade based on theoretical BiS,
you dont really get more stats out of crafting legs
modern brook
moderators w/ attitude, btw
fathom spindle
Jerry Jerry Jerry!!
high folio
okay its been a good chat bois, i needa actually get back to work
late maple
Moderators are the blue ones, I'm just an angry drunk person ๐ฆ
high folio
zugg zugg
bold wave
@late maple huge fan man, awesome to see you around. Sorry for the ping
late maple
(for the record I'm not serious, outside the drunk part, fuck I'm a light weight these days)
Appreciate it Khrom โค๏ธ
fathom spindle
The โperksโ of getting older.
Canโt drink as much ๐คทโโ๏ธ
bold wave
๐
late maple
Right? Like I was drinking every single day and now half a shot fucks me up
modern brook
cant is quitters word tbh
strong forum
Moderators are the blue ones, I'm just an angry drunk person ๐ฆ
You're cute
late maple
NO U
fathom spindle
Well, i think my workplace would say a thing or two ๐
strong forum
brittle owl
goddammit paul
fathom spindle
Well, i havenโt had a single beer for over a year ๐คทโโ๏ธ
strong forum
The others in the round were fucked for the entire day after
And I was comfy
I'm going to a DnB party on Friday
Forcing myself out of my comfort zone
late maple
Drink n Bone?
fathom spindle
DnB?
stark sage
dick n balls
fathom spindle
Ahh
stark sage
modern brook
I'm going to a DnB party on Friday
Dave n Busters?
late maple
those are fun
strong forum
Drum and Bass 
but it's just gonna be chill night, dancing not allowed and only with corona test, mask and 1.5m distance
signal plover
Dick n balls
signal plover
Go to a silent rave
strong forum
My bad
late maple
Gotcha so instead of being someones little pog champ you're gonna be there little drummer boy
modern brook
pogi love disney
sweet summit
pogi
fathom spindle
She said dominate me, so i executed her and got a 18k crit
late maple
You go follow the beat of your own drum ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
strong forum
I'm drumming alright
ionic fern
strong forum
Hi mwahi
modern brook
big fan of the "dancing not allowed drum and bass party"
late maple
Hi
modern brook
thats a fucking THEME
ionic fern
Hello.
modern brook
literally the plot of footloose
signal plover
That's a nom theme if I've ever read it
late maple
Well if it did, you wouldn't be able to foot the bill
modern brook
hes eu he'd be fine
signal plover
You guys ever have a dream where you're Henry Cavill and pack an absolute jackhammer
stark sage
big fan of the "dancing not allowed drum and bass party"
DnB party*
*some restrictions apply
modern brook
*some restrictions apply
im actually lmaoing at my desk rn
strong forum
Na but like, it's 10th anniversary of my sisters husbands festival, and since nothing big is allowed cuz of the situation, this is the best you can do
So I signed myself up
ionic fern
Apartment party?
signal plover
He has his own festival?
strong forum
Ye
modern brook
which one?
strong forum
It's not big enough, just a local thing
modern brook
oh ๐ฆ
ionic fern
It's not big enough, just a local thing
Make it global. Stream on Twitch.
modern brook
I was going to go to defqon last year but The Situation also stopped me
strong forum
Sometimes they plan events in czechoslovakia
modern brook
not really dnb but
ionic fern
What's dnb?
strong forum
They stream on Facebook some chill evening events, haven't really branched out
modern brook
dave and busters
ionic fern
BNB?
sweet summit
sweet summit
๐
strong forum
They had some camo and krooked as guests once
A few other big names aswell I think
But they can't afford the big dick headliners often
Cuz it's only an event for like a couple hundred people every now and again
Biggest one they did was for like 2k people and it lasted 3 full days
modern brook
still really cool tbh
strong forum
Yuh
So I decided, ima just get out of my comfort zone and go there, I cba. Even me, Mr antisocial, got enough of not being able to even have the option for going to events
Tryna get my life going
modern brook
facts man i feel that
strong forum
(I also get to look cool)
modern brook
blegh
modern brook
24 hour time is weird in writing
ionic fern
๐ฆ
strong forum
Life is tough
modern brook
fuck the team bro get that ZZZ
ionic fern
I get up at 9. ๐
ionic fern
Feels bad.
strong forum
Ye it's exhausting
modern brook
topaz dragon
I wake up at 630 to be in the office at 8pm
modern brook
one time i woke up at 7:30 and spent 45 minutes debating if i should go into work early
topaz dragon
Commute is hell
modern brook
ened up being 20 minutes late :^(
ionic fern
Home office. ๐ฆ
jagged pier
i was in a home office till last thrusday ๐ฆ
brittle owl
I usually get up at 8:10
cries in waking up at 5:30
stark sage
imagine not working 8-5 every day mo-fri
stark sage
how do i become this man
lime urchin
fabulous
modern brook
strong forum
Hahahahahhahahahahahhhahah
signal plover
Holy fuck
stark sage
blazing condor
Is ITF more rage/minute than ravager?
sweet summit
i think ravager is more rage
sweet summit
ya but that wasnt even the question
sweet summit
high folio
i specified in m+ and ST when i answered initially
high folio
finally got ksm also first ranked alliance lol
undone verge
idk someone would have to run the numbers
high folio
it might be, i just dont raid anymore
sweet summit
its not lol
high folio
well there you have it
strong forum
Rav is more rage
undone verge
I havnt dont comp raiding this tier so idk
sweet summit
itf is better on most fights for most people
strong forum
Itf is just more dmg
sweet summit
^
strong forum
And more block uptime
undone verge
true
high folio
ahhh
tame cape
i run itf for most encounters and the thunderclap talent for some m+. i think i only took ravager on sludgefist.
ionic fern
i run itf for most encounters and the thunderclap talent for some m+. i think i...
Doesn't sound healthy.
lofty flume
Is it better to go ilvl or haste? The pieces are 6 ilvl apart and the haste increase is around 60 haste
tame cape
<:Detective:814893739494473750>
how so?
ionic fern
Is it better to go ilvl or haste? The pieces are 6 ilvl apart and the haste incr...
It's not ilvl vs haste, it's ilvl + some stat vs haste.
lofty flume
I think the main secondary is mastery
tame cape
UF is kinda dead. ๐
the whole dealing big dmg in m+ is dead. whatยดs your point?
plush tendon
the whole dealing big dmg in m+ is dead. whatยดs your point?
UF is dead because Thunderclap is no longer where your big damage comes from. Revenge is now the ability that does most of your damage, and therefore wasting GCDs on thunderclap during Avatar is a dps loss
ionic fern
I mean if you're not trying to optimise go ham,. ๐คท
Otherwise Ravager/ItF both perform better in m+/raids.
plush tendon
With Ravager and even ITF, you have more open GCDs and more rage for Revenge
ionic fern
We are still doing 4.5-5k DPS in keys.
tame cape
UF is dead because Thunderclap is no longer where your big damage comes from. Re...
hm. understood. i hate additional keybinds
ionic fern
Revenge is the majority of your damage.
modern brook
Playing the 2nd most wrong ta k then :(
ionic fern
tame cape
Otherwise Ravager/ItF both perform better in m+/raids.
iยดtend to take itf in raids
ionic fern
This was a SD i just did with 5.1k overall.
somber sky
This was a SD i just did with 5.1k overall.
wtf
somber sky
that's nuts
tame cape
my m+ xp is limited tbh. i mostly raid.
plush tendon
This was a SD i just did with 5.1k overall.
Canister power?
ionic fern
Nope.
tame cape
is that with best served cold?
somber sky
what key level was it? :O
ionic fern
SD is kinda good for us tho, especially with Seismic. There are almost always more than 3+ enemies present.
tame cape
did you only use it on procc or did you dump a lot of rage into it?
plush tendon
SD aint a bad dungeon at all; it gets a bad rep cause of the bosses and people have been scarred by it early on
ionic fern
Pretty much all of my rage went into Revenges.
๐
I used like 50 IP's over the course of the dungeon.
tame cape
well, if you dont die, thatยดs good xD
somber sky
tfw deep wounds did more than every other ability
lofty flume
207 sin stained vs 213 charm of eternal winter
plush tendon
213
tame cape
Keep SB up and dump into Revenge.
i think i have a far too traditional mindset for m+.
ionic fern
It's fine tbh.
At the end of the day it's a game.
You can do pretty much what ever you want.
tame cape
yeah, but i wanna perform well xD
ionic fern
Ah, then you have to re-think your mindset. ๐
signal plover
THEN YOU MUST FOLLOW THE TOMES OF WISDOM
blazing condor
And what conduits would you teccomend for m+?
Stalwart, Spear one, Unnerving, Inspiring Presence
signal plover
NO COWARDICE ONLY REVENJ
tame cape
NO COWARDICE ONLY REVENJ
will get this as a tattoo.
signal plover
Good start
lofty flume
Brilliant thank you
fallow jasper
SD aint a bad dungeon at all; it gets a bad rep cause of the bosses and people h...
also the dungeon design and the trash are boring
high folio
i generally dislike that dungeon, on tyrannical weeks torvold is a fucking asshole
sand egret
undone sun
undone verge
SD is just annoying
tight spaces, caster trash that you cant interrupt paired with trash that drops stuff under them
fallow jasper
also, is just visually tiring because you fight venthyr dudes, small henchmen and gargoyles. that's it. bastion has the same problem of low variety between npcs, but they borrowed from mald that has the highest variety between npcs
fallow jasper
like, mald has a theme for each house, and a lot of variety between them, since they are taking a lot from the scourge, that has been developed since warcraft 3
revendreath has....venthyr dudes, small dudes and gargoyles. that's it
just like bastion has blue dudes, constructs and larions. and a color swap. oh and stewards
lofty flume
Whats the damage split for sd? Is it mainly magic?
high folio
all the places i have the most trouble on are ublockables, feels like there a few at least every other pack
gargoyle bleed fucks me up, dont know if im doing something wrong or not tho
flint tiger
bleeds fuck all warriors up
ionic fern
gargoyle bleed fucks me up, dont know if im doing something wrong or not tho
Outrange the bleed with Leap/Intervene ๐
Stun Animated weapons.
flint tiger
holy hell
high folio
when i have my guild w me i do the intervene trick
flint tiger
TIL you can range the sever attack
flint tiger
i was more worried about melee getting wrecked by it on accident
high folio
and then hope it dies before it bleeds me again
oblique garnet
Unlucky for the melee if they get hit
flint tiger
i play the master race, so I just cycle fireblood and/or phial if i have to
flint tiger
<:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
my ghetto way of using the same emoji, because i don't pay for nitro lolol
ionic fern
blazing condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mzjHDaA9Fb8rGTgf/#fight=last&type=summary
aight i logged one of my runs and i still feel like i take a lot of damage (especially first packs) - anyone got any pointers? Couldve played better tbh but still good to know if there's something im missing
blazing condor
I definitely couldve had it a bit higher for sure
i would greed some revenjes sometimes when it felt fine
high folio
well i was comparing to one of my logs and mine is around 55% as well
which honestly prob means we are both doing somehting wrong
oh wait you were doing a 19
yeah i have no fucking right chiming in lmao ignore my dumbass
i havent done anything more then 16 lmao
flint tiger
not sure I'd say you did anything wrong the first pack. Your healer was focusing more on damage for a while that first pull, which is why you ended up dipping super low
blazing condor
i kinda get fucked on the two big skeles after first spirit
flint tiger
and didn't bother having a healing tide totem or something rolling to get you healed up outside of ES/RT
yeah they hit hard, basically either pray for a tranq shot
otherwise, you're just kiting
blazing condor
yeah im perma kiting but still getting slapped when running
blazing condor
I know i get slapped in the back when kiting sometimes because i move with my mouse
and cant really strafe
blazing condor
lmao nah
flint tiger
lol christ scared me for a sec
blazing condor
i wish that sounds chill asf
Used to have a razer naga but kind of fucked up my hand so switched all buttons to left-side of keyboard and move with mouse
works really well for everything but kiting sometimes
flint tiger
what i typically do on that pack is just tank as long as i can in one corner and when they start their enrage I leap and kite as long as i can
should be able to kite them in circles without them catching up to you if they're enraged at least
flint tiger
on that second pull, your dps just letting shadowcores wreck you
lol
i'm assuming it's a pug, so naturally that becomes a hit/miss lol
looks like most of the time you're getting chunked is by magic damage, which makes sense cause it is our weakness. only way around that is praying dps kick lol
sharp hinge
What is our best off spec for pvp? Fury or Arms?
sharp hinge
Ok, thanks!
sweet summit
there is a #223972896219856896 channel too
theyre a lot smarter than me when it comes to pvp
toxic wadi
Someone come tank my 12 spires on alliance.
modern plank
What is considered a good haste stat %?
stark sage
as much as possible without dropping ilvls
undone verge
What is considered a good haste stat %?
15+ is decent
tender cove
Does warrior scale with wep dps nowadays? I remember when i quit (mop) it only affected devastate afaik which made weapon upgrades just a stat stick. It changed?
median tulip
Does warrior scale with wep dps nowadays? I remember when i quit (mop) it only a...
everything is normalised now; abilities work off attack power and all weapons are the same speed and DPS anyway.
tender cove
everything is normalised now; abilities work off attack power and all weapons ar...
Ok great. Ty ๐
thin nexus
so i switched to reprisal recently, and im having trouble with first boss of SOA, namely every time i charge i end up being in that line between the bosses and getting the debuff. what do yall do here?
undone verge
so i switched to reprisal recently, and im having trouble with first boss of SOA...
for the first time I use heroic leap, but the second time I try to side step the main boss and charge, I still get put in the beam for a sec, but its not as long
thin nexus
for the first time I use heroic leap, but the second time I try to side step the...
when you say side step you mean side step the entire strike? if so can you elaborate a bit how to do that
undone verge
when you say side step you mean side step the entire strike? if so can you elabo...
I run to the side a bit, just cause it takes the boss a second to run towards you, it creates a triangle where your path is the hypotenuse
thin nexus
I run to the side a bit, just cause it takes the boss a second to run towards yo...
do you then charge either?
undone verge
I created this high res picture
undone verge
yeah
start at boss 1 then you side step to the "you" location then charge to boss 2
you still get in the beam a lil bit, but its like less than half
undone verge
np
valid pecan
haste or vers in m+ do yall think?
undone verge
ilvl>haste>Verse
sweet summit
im not a big fan of slg and council
but the other bosses were pretty good
overall i think i enjoyed CN more, it just lasts too long
thin nexus
I didnt think visually speaking the bosses were particularly striking
it was like, humanoid boss, humanoid boss, humanoid boss, giant, giant, humanoid bossES, gargoyl, bat men, humanoid boss
cinder nova
How do I get DPS to stop being absolute mouthbreathing degenerates in +20s
sweet summit
||you dont||
modern brook
That being done in mobile paint is next level
Somehow higher tec and also lower quality than mspaint
undone verge
higher quality than wod
robust turret
i wanna be in non tank loot spec to not dilute loot pool with bad trinks, right?
sweet summit
most of the time yeah
you can be tank spec for de other side for scale, dungeons that drop shield/one hander, sunking/artificer/slg for trinket/shield token etc
robust turret
tyty
analog swift
hey all, if you're running the wall and AM, do you send avatar on cd or try to sync with demo shout
or just try to sync avatar with NF conduit
assuming ST situation w/ booming voice
sweet summit
send everything on cooldown
analog swift
i mean that's good for a general overview
but that can't possibly be a net benefit right
for example the NF conduit, unless holding it would cause you to lose a cast, casting it during BM/avatar windows is a huge gain
strong forum
Avatar has a 45sec CD with AM
analog swift
Right
sweet summit
ok so
sweet summit
as long as you will not lose a cast of either spell, you can sync them
analog swift
Nah I'm taking your second AA cast
strong forum
2nd AA cast is the one you'd have to hold avatar for, it would be your 4th that lines up naturally
analog swift
Wait
Avatar and AA on pull, avatar booming voice at 45
Aa on 1:15? Or hold to 1:30 with avatar and booming voice
You'd hold AA not avatar right
analog swift
I feel like a near 40% buffed AA is significant
sweet summit
as i said before, as long as you wont lose a cast, you sync
but if holding either makes you lose a cast you full send on cd
thats the only correct answer
undone verge
I renounce my stance the sanguin depths is easier than dos
sweet summit
idk its hard to replicate in sims
undone verge
had some nice nice dps and we still only had a few seconds left
strong forum
The gauntlet can eat quite some time
undone verge
it was so funny
the gauntlet bugged and basically pulled everything at once
probably saved the run lol
strong forum
If you pull Kaal outside of the gauntlet, that's what happens
Pulls the entire thing
undone verge
nah it was when we were still in the gauntlet
kaal reeached 80% health and instead of running she came right back up and everything ran towards us
strong forum
Nice
undone verge
it almost went horrible cause afterwards someone asked "can we still time this"
and I replied yeah hero, pride
trying to say we have hero and prdie buff for kaal
but they misinterpreted and hero'd on pride
strong forum
undone verge
was a 16 lol
brittle owl
i bet that was a quick pride doe
brittle owl
now imagine if you didnt lust
tame jasper
Gratz ๐
undone verge
Ty
But what the fuck is this blizzard
your going to make me suffer on sanguine depths tyrannical just so I can get a recolor of the mount I already have
tame jasper
Yeah, need to play fortified now ๐ฆ
undone verge
fort isnt too bad
tame jasper
Tyran is so much easier and fun ๐คทโโ๏ธ
undone verge
tyran is just sitting back watching dps get swatted by simple mechanics
brittle owl
delete tyr and fort ty
strong forum
Ya I know I'm delusional
tame jasper
๐
topaz dragon
Hey team, just another pointless and stupid question in regards to prot warr.
Swapping to it for 9.1, so looking to get setup and everything :)
For a Prot main, that focuses on Raid and Keys with some pvp side content, I'm guessing Kyr is the optimal choice, only for the added benefit of PvP?
strong forum
Kyr is beneficial because of its softcapped hitcount, rather than being hardcapped like NF. Aswell as kyrian phial and being a kyrian just for the dungeon bonuses.
Hardly any dps or healer is kyrian
NF is almost as good and has more damage, but who is gonna slot in the kyrian ykno
topaz dragon
True, the more I read about it the more I lean towards Kyrian, the heal, the abilitys lower CD. Seems more versatile overall
strong forum
If you plan on multispeccing in pve NF is a bit more versatile as it's also bis for fury and really good for arms cuz of their stupid strong soulbinds
In pvp kyrian is better than nf tho
topaz dragon
Generally a Forevertank in PvE
strong forum
Then kyrian will suit you just fine
With no regrets to be had (unless they don't nerf the overwhelming broken 9.1 NF trait)
river vine
@strong forum for straight ST dmg NF wont be best for fury next patch
strong forum
Next patch is next patch
topaz dragon
Next patch is looking depressing haha.
:))
strong forum
This guy gets it
topaz dragon
What NF trait was Overwhelmingly OP?
topaz dragon
:O
strong forum
It's broken af
undone verge
Only thing Iโm looking forward to next patch is the raid and mega dungeon purely from a content standpoint. Iโm not looking forward to the thearapy bill Iโll need after doing sanguine depths on a 15 tyrannical week, or dos on a tyrannical week
strong forum
The mega dungeon will be boring the 3rd time around if not 2nd time
Cuz it won't be in m+ yet for no fucking reason
Other than dragging it out
undone verge
Yeah
strong forum
How often did you do mechagon if not for the deathless mount run
undone verge
Think itโll be kinda fun though,
undone verge
I never did mechagon outside of mythic plus state
strong forum
See
undone verge
I was afk all of that patch
strong forum
I got the deathless mount like week2 or smth
And then never came back except for the mandatory vop runs
undone verge
Yeah, the mega dungeon is gonna die like week 3
strong forum
Yup...
Such a waste of time
Just release it with m+ but you have to do a quest line first where you complete it on m0
And boom, done, good content
Hire me
undone verge
Honestly anyone who can say โdonโt change a good systemโ would be better for blizzard right now
I learned that a 16 on fort is equivalent to a 12 on tyrannical, so if you times all 16s on fort, you would only need to time all 12s on tyrannical
strong forum
Na that's not how it works
undone verge
Wdym
strong forum
Both dungeons are worth the same
The lower dungeon however only contributes 33% of its value
You need 14/16 or something like 18/12
If not 15/15
undone verge
Yeah it is vice versa, what J was saying was you need an average score of 2k which would average like that
strong forum
Basically roughly 30 combined
Or a 24 standalone
You need 2k or more score, 15/15 key nets you 250 points
A 15 alone is around 185-195 points
undone verge
Yeah, idk it depends on how scaling works
Cause It says itโs going to depends on how fast you do the key
undone verge
Idk if thatโs going to be set, like +1, +2, or +3 is set in stone or itโs gonna be somewhat like itโs scales the faster you do it
strong forum
Roughly 10 points
jagged pier
New system is bad big suprise
strong forum
If you go mdi speed and do it much much faster than +3, then you maybe get like 13 points
Compared to barely timing it
undone verge
Yeah
undone verge
I donโt mind it
undone verge
Yeah it should be set in stone
jagged pier
I cant go speedy with pugs they trash
undone verge
Not some bs about how I wanna mdi style time it
strong forum
Na that's boring, they want to incentivise speed
So you can have 2 ways of pushing score
Not just push high key
But also push lower key faster
undone verge
I mean Iโve always felt m+ is more about going as high as you can
tawdry dirge
was mechagon a .5 thing for m+?
strong forum
Mechagon m+ came in 9.3
tawdry dirge
as we get the new one then in 9.1.5 as a m+
jagged pier
Then speed would have to give u more than 10
strong forum
Pretty sure
jagged pier
10 just dont seem like much
strong forum
Then speed would have to give u more than 10
The difference between timing 17/20 and a 15/15 is only 20 score
:)
jagged pier
Exactly my point
Just up the score so its easier to tell
And show highest key done
In the group finder
strong forum
So max speed clearing 15s is almost exactly the same as slow clearing 20s
undone verge
The one thing I actually do really like about the new m+ system (well 2) is that it will make the ksm mount more rare, and that if I hate goddamn sanguin depths I donโt have to push it equal to every other dungeon
strong forum
And doing it on tyr+fort won't stop that
jagged pier
And Nome like 10% of players have ksm
undone verge
Not for the boosteries who can no longer afford it
jagged pier
Ppl are still struggling to get it
undone verge
Big brain
jagged pier
Theres so much gold put there my dude
strong forum
Some People are struggling to get KSM, but with all achievements, not everybody deserves it I don't see the issue
Get better if you want it so badly ๐คทโโ๏ธ
undone verge
How much does ksm even cost
strong forum
1.5mil rn I think
jagged pier
There isnt an issue just saying, its your statement of it being ez is because it is for ppl like u and me
strong forum
Maybe less
sweet summit
its 1.3m in the com im in
elfin surge
1.290000 on eu arathor
jagged pier
Its like 1-1.5 mil i think
sweet summit
rmt monkaW
strong forum
It will more than double, coconut
Cuz new season
It will be goldcap
In the new season
Maybe more
strong forum
You underestimate how much gold people have
Goldcap is chump change for alot of people
undone verge
True
strong forum
I'm broke so I don't count
undone verge
Most gold Iโve ever had was 300k
strong forum
But the sheer amount of people buying boosts for several million gold is staggering
undone verge
Then I bought the transmog mount
jagged pier
For the memes me and a guy in the guild kept buying out the AH of feast mats to be at the top of the spreadsheet a few weeks ago
That was millons of gold down the drain
undone verge
Then a bunch of guild mats
jagged pier
jagged pier
Wow really? I dont remeber that should buy some
undone verge
Iโm just saying lots of people struggle to get ksm, and making it double the requirement is going to shut those people down
strong forum
Then they simply don't deserve it
jagged pier
Then thoughs ppl shoildnt have it
strong forum
I don't see the issue
undone verge
Exactly
Which is why I like that it will be harder
I think Iโll get it
I basically ignored pushing keys till this week and easy timed a bunch
jagged pier
Thats totally depends on where ypu play lvl is
Personally for ksm is still going to be a joke
And the 20s might be a slight challenge i hope
But thats me
undone verge
My play level is watching pugs get bitch slapped by cab mechanic while I out dps them
jagged pier
For other ppl it will be the thing they go for
jagged pier
Well yer some for me but like last night we just got a group together of raiders and went a slapped a few 18s and 19s to the floor for ppls vault
But usually i pug so i know your pain
undone verge
Itโs probably gonna be my main goal. I mean Iโm in an aotc guild who does some mythic pushing, so my main time is gonna be spent pushing keys to get it.
Like for season 1 I basically only had 2 timed 15s, but last week I just kinda said whatever and pugged the rest of them.
Like I can do 15s for both tyrannical and fortified, it isnโt really a big deal
jagged pier
The longer u wait in a season the hard it gets to pug
Because all the mongos eventually get lucky or carried to higher and higher keys
Like a few months ago 18-19s were good players most realible
Now they are all at like 21s and stuff and you get worse ppl filling the keys
Like i did an 18 mists last week i was the only person that intuprted
undone verge
Yeah and all the people who are just in it for ksm then just 15 for weekly are out
So they donโt care about timing they just want their gv reward
And like you said all the good players are in high keys, and everyone else is getting into the lower keys
ionic fern
So they donโt care about timing they just want their gv reward
I care about timing. ๐ฆ
Nothing that tilts me more than wasting time in a +15 key.
<-biggest ksm gamer.
tame jasper
๐
brittle owl
legend has it every failed key mwahi lost a strand of hair