protection

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'm just tryna fly my new drone not play wow

Or just be a classic andy

[sick sentinel]

how good is crit for warrior and would it be worth taking the trinket below and replacing heart of Al'Ar

would it be worth just replcing Al'ar because of the ilvl upgrade?

[signal plover]

OPC is decent for parsing

Alar is worth if you're doing content where you're actively dying, or on prog where you can extend pulls by preventing tank deaths.

[sick sentinel]

or my second option is

[chilly brook]

Crit is best damage s6s5

[sick sentinel]

yeah good point - should mention for m+

[chilly brook]

Stat

[sick sentinel]

yah and doing dps as a tank is good for M+

[chilly brook]

Crit is also parry

[sick sentinel]

does it increase ip absorb?

or is that vert?

[chilly brook]

That's vers

[sick sentinel]

okay - i suppose my last question would be - for M+ suitability would it better to take a neck upgrade for stam or the trinket upgrade for dps and prim stat

cause the neck item would also be an upgrade

survivability*

[sinful depot]

Hi all my guild asking me to sub in for our M SLG prog, is there anything noteworthy to use spell reflect?

[sick sentinel]

I use this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml

to see what is reflect-able and whats not

[sinful depot]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

looks like for SLG... not really

[chilly brook]

Personally I'd just take the neck and replace it later with better stats if you can

If not you at least have more stats

In general more stats>"better" stats

[sick sentinel]

yea makes sense

i'll do that

thanks

[high folio]

time to commit die

[gaunt dawn]

Bad rng

[next copper]

One of my MTs doesn't have a Phoenix trinket of any kind. :(

[muted jolt]

What tier 7 talent for purely m+ running reprisal?

[sweet summit]

Anger Management

[flint tiger]

I think in general, you're going to want to run both alar and scale trinkets if pushing high m+ keys. Scale absorb and damage us great, and alar gives you cheat death for some dicey big pulls that will happen.

PS: I hate you for having both when neither have yet to drop for me at any ilvl.

[sick sentinel]

is 203 to 226 shield a giganormous upgrade?

[stark sage]

yes

[sick sentinel]

considering opening vault as prot

[stark sage]

shield factors into your block DR

its the most important slot to upgrade

[sick sentinel]

alright thanks

[mighty valley]

do you not main prot?

[sick sentinel]

I main pvp 🙂

but I tank dungeons

thinking about maybe pushing this week though

[lusty grotto]

i am

[chilly brook]

[dusky canopy]

I need 2 cents i really got a tough one this time around... I like to play fury often as well and stone legion would be BiS for that however my main roll is tank and the helm option i highlted is Haste/Mastery + Socket...

[brave geode]

That helm is pretty good for fury as well

[dusky canopy]

both items would be 20 ilvl up

yeah i dont farm sockets what so ever so im leaning towards that since i can always kill generals everyweek

[chilly brook]

Shield>Weapon>Armor>Jewelry> Trinkets

[dusky canopy]

I went with helm simply because my main focus is prot currently and it has haste +socket

thanks for the 2 cents boys 🙂

[undone verge]

I feel like trinkets shouldnt be counted since id take a rf splintered heart over a 220 crappy trinket

[bleak stirrup]

hello all! new to warrior tanking, looking at legendaries and cant seem to find an answer online. With reprisal, if I intervene out of melee, and charge into melee, does the benefit stack? i assume I would get 40 rage, and only 1 revenge proc, but would I have 12 seconds of block, or 6?

[honest plinth]

Reprisal is 4s sb

You will have 8

[bleak stirrup]

ah! thanks!

[flint tiger]

I think the priority Griff listed works, with the only exception being the only strong trinkets for us (alar, scale, anima emitter, and maybe very minorly denathrius trinket)

[cold crystal]

cant seem to decide if i wanna be night fae or kyrian for 9.1 and season 2 of m+

[worthy dagger]

kyr for prot 9.1 will be poggywoggy

[river spade]

Like a lot of poggywoggy or just a little bit ?

[chilly brook]

I raise you

[undone verge]

decently poggywoggy

although I heard nf was a better choice in 9.1 than in 9.0.5

[river spade]

Well i guess they wilk be on par, but with Mikanikos we got 40 sec CD spear

But right I feal like ancient aftershock is better

[undone verge]

I still think kyrian is better, spear is just nice in general

[river spade]

Yup It feeks smoother but it doesnt have anti-caster affect like ancient aftershock (the knock down thing), it is neat for me

But yea, Spear will be huge next patch

[tame jasper]

What about phial?

I mesn thats a huge thing imp on the defensive side

*imo

[strong forum]

Phial is nice qol but not as big as thought in beta

[brittle owl]

beta hype was mostly due to nathria

since at one point it made slg and sire significantly easier encounters

phial is situationally good

it can be completely useless or gamebreaking

[strong forum]

It's good with a shaman healer cuz whenever there's something is a debuff in m+, blizz made sure that shaman can't get rid of it

It's all poison / disease

[brittle owl]

you don't have that issue if you're a protadin doe 🤔

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

[undone verge]

how would you guys rate dungeons in terms of difficulty?

feel like for me its (easiest to hardest) pf/mots/nw/halls/spires

/theater/sanguine/dos

[strong forum]

Mots/hoa/?????????????/sanguine

[undone verge]

ive always felt people psyche themselves up that sanguine is harder than it really is

like Ive had runs with 17 deaths but we still are on track to time it

[misty charm]

in high keys the third boss on tyran is a nightmare, also many affixes make sanguin extremly hard

[strong forum]

It's insanely easy to get stuck on bosses 1 and 2

[misty charm]

but generally for keys bellow 20 the dungeon is alright

[strong forum]

Generally if you wipe to first boss the key is rip, without pride and Lust that's a real ball buster

[misty charm]

I think i actually never wiped on that one

[strong forum]

How

[misty charm]

but i agree, if you cant burn him then good luck

[strong forum]

If you get more than 2 seismic smashes it's GG unless you're a kite god

[misty charm]

idk the mechanics arent that hard

i mean they hit hard but they arent too hard to execute

[strong forum]

It's not about mechanical difficulty it's about dying to soaks

[undone verge]

first boss is prob easy

I feel the second on third are the ones that suck

[strong forum]

Never wiped to 3rd ever

[undone verge]

same

[strong forum]

Much more to 2nd and 1st

[undone verge]

ive only ever wiped to second boss

[misty charm]

we did it that we "stacked" in the corner and then moved the boss across the room

so the healer can decide when to pick up the orbs

[strong forum]

We usually do the

Yolo and scream

[misty charm]

3rd one fucks us over because we dont have enough personals

[strong forum]

Or well, did

[misty charm]

so we die to the AoE

[undone verge]

sanguine is the last one I need timed for ksm

[strong forum]

Haven't done SD in a solid 3 months so yeh

[undone verge]

I joined I solid 4 months into the xpac

[strong forum]

I'll never forget doing SD14 in heroic week

With 180 ilvl

cock

As pwar/arms/ele/frostmage/rsham

[misty charm]

prot was my second char i leveled this addon so when i equiped him we were already doing 15s so i feel that

[strong forum]

God it was pain

[misty charm]

dude my regular m+ group consists of a demolock and a bm hunter

and resto sham

[strong forum]

Hella scuffed aswell

We gaming bruther

[undone verge]

regular mythic pus group thats funny

[misty charm]

hell yea

[undone verge]

pug pain

[strong forum]

Never pug

[undone verge]

"oh were supposed to interrupt that"

[strong forum]

I pugged 2 keys in 3 years total, that's 2 too many

[misty charm]

i just told some reallife friends to start playing for years until they started, now i have a m+ group

[undone verge]

the only keys ive ever done in a premade was a spires 13 and a dos 10

and we missed timing the dos by a solid 30 minutes

it was funny cause it was my first intro to pride, I didnt have optimal talents, was a good 190 ilevel, never done a dos above a 2, and I dont even think I had my leggo yet

[tame jasper]

For myself or in general for the grp?

Example: I find ToP very easy (and easier than mists), but I dont know any other who shares this 🤷‍♂️

[misty charm]

am i the only one that wiped DOS last boss x times already because interveining to a ranged?

[brittle owl]

gj taking 4 people out of the employment/breeding pool

[misty charm]

Thanks, always trying to do good things

[undone verge]

just in terms of the group, how hard does it feel to time

[tame jasper]

Puh. Imo thats changes from fortified and tyranical (playing 99% pugs): top on fortified is mostly close, ob tyrannical its a walk in rhe park

For example

Same with SD or PF imo

[undone verge]

I feel like top is harder in tyran weeks

not because it actually is harder

but because dps are braindead

[brittle owl]

you can fuckup 'easier' on tyran

[tame jasper]

Hm but imo all dungeongs except mists are easier in tyrannical 🤷‍♂️

[misty charm]

most difficult key on tyran with pugs is spires change my mind

[brittle owl]

most of the dungeon is ez, your brain goes off and doesn't turn back on on bosses

where you need to pay attention

[misty charm]

cause the average dps is to stupid to dodge those things on the second boss

did a 19 spires and none of the dps managed to dodge these things

and the healer and me stood there like

y'all have 1800 score dont you? :)))

[tame jasper]

@misty charm haha yeah 😂

[undone verge]

all dungeons are easier on tyran until you get like +13 ad stuff starts one shotting

[brittle owl]

score

[undone verge]

dude I was pugging a halls 15 and had a 220 1500 io dps do 3.4k dps, and I beat every dps combined in interrupts

[tame jasper]

Will the ingamr-score be in 9.1 or just „planed“ up to now for some day in the future? I dont mean the thorgast but the m+ score thing

[undone verge]

itll be in 9.1

[misty charm]

i think thats 9.1

[undone verge]

its on the ptr

[misty charm]

does it co-exist with the raider.io site?

[undone verge]

yeah

theyre changing ksm too

[misty charm]

so i can still check runs and if someones boosted?

[tame jasper]

I hope so

[undone verge]

yes

[misty charm]

Nice

[misty charm]

how so

[undone verge]

its no longer "time all dungeons 15+" and is gonna be "reach a certain score in the new system"

[brittle owl]

i mean, of you're kicking early you're bound to beat them

[undone verge]

which will probably be equal to the score timing all 15s

[brittle owl]

incomplete picture here

[misty charm]

oh thats actually awesome tho

[brittle owl]

optimal way to interrupt is as late as possible

[undone verge]

it was like Im focusing something else and watching the collector freecast collect sins so I swapped to interrupt

also did you see the new mount lol

in 9.1 ksm

here it is

unique

season 1 for comparison

[strong forum]

Yeah they're gonna be just recolours for all of SL

[undone verge]

itll probably be unique for season 4

[strong forum]

Just like glad mounts are gonna be recolours

And always have been recolours

The mount itself is unique for the expansion for glad/KSM, but each season will be a recolour

[undone verge]

I think theyll give us a unique one for the last season

[strong forum]

Why so

[undone verge]

its usually the most important patch so I think they'll go all in. Similar to how ksm mount rewards started last season of bfa

[strong forum]

Glad mount never had a unique unique mount, why should KSM

[undone verge]

blizz hates pvpers tbf, always have given them the shaft

[strong forum]

They have better rewards than pve offers

So idk man

Better titles/mounts/tmogs/enchants

[obsidian girder]

Morning folks. We got two warrior tanks and are progressing on huntsman mythic. Is it advisable to soak sinseekers with a tank? Especially when sinseekers is reflectable.

[undone verge]

if its reflectable sure

just makes the fight easier

[strong forum]

We made immunities soak those

[obsidian girder]

The pinned reflect guide says it is

[obsidian girder]

We got a mediocre setup in terms of immunities

[strong forum]

We just immuned all sinseekers with bop/block/turtle/bubble

[obsidian girder]

1 paladin, 1 mage, 1 hunter :-(

[strong forum]

That covers 2 sets

[undone verge]

I mean for pvp its not an entirely new envirement every expac. They might get a new arena or bg, but they have more freedom to work on rewards and balancing because they dont have to make 10 new dungeon, and multiple raids every xpac and balance all of it

[strong forum]

Then the 3rd you can assign people with strong defensives

[obsidian girder]

Okay. Would the reflect be a DPS increase ? 😅

[strong forum]

No it would at best just negate the dot you get

But not a full on reflect

[obsidian girder]

Okay

[undone verge]

it does a tiny tiny dmg

[strong forum]

But we've never tested if you can actually reflect anything there

[modern brook]

It's a different mount becuz it's blue

[undone verge]

I wish my guild was progressing mythic this tier

[modern brook]

Idg the problem

Blue isn't blaxk

[strong forum]

I'd say it's white

But ye, it follows the typical reward structure

[undone verge]

I wish they had their own theme that followed the patch

[strong forum]

Well it does

[undone verge]

it better be named something thematic

[strong forum]

Pvp elite set is white

[undone verge]

like bestwarrens something

[strong forum]

Glad mount is white

[modern brook]

Idk 9.1 is gonna be Hella disapointing

[strong forum]

KSM mount is white

[modern brook]

Just cause it's been too long

Feels like we're owed more than the scope of the patch

[strong forum]

9.1 isnt gonna be any better than 9.0

What I don't understand is why the new dungeon isn't insta m+

[modern brook]

9.0 was good imo

Just too long

[undone verge]

9.0 was fine, people are just ragging on it cause it was a long patch

like the mount we had for ksm in 9.0 is sintouched void walker

[strong forum]

Idk, patch 9.0 was prolly the patch I've played by far the least or any expansion launch

Very disappointed

[undone verge]

I mean when did you stop playing

[strong forum]

Been raidlogging for 2 months before quitting

[modern brook]

M+ changes universally bad tbh

[strong forum]

I stopped playing 1 month ago

[modern brook]

But cn was fun and pvp is probably the best it's been in a while

[undone verge]

Its just how long the patch has lasted

[strong forum]

I played the game for 4 weeks then started raid logging

[undone verge]

usually we should have had new content months ago

[strong forum]

Na coco

[misty charm]

X on the pvp part

[strong forum]

Pvp is the best it's been in a while

[undone verge]

I loved the new mythic plus changes. Valor is a nice system imo

[misty charm]

i really dislike pvp atm

[strong forum]

Valor system is a sad joke

[modern brook]

Valor is a joke yeah

[misty charm]

but im talking in a warrior discord youll probably be biased

[modern brook]

All nee affixed are toxic and annoying

[undone verge]

new affixes are stupid as hell

[modern brook]

The dungeons themselves top out at bearavle

[misty charm]

i really like the new dungeons

[undone verge]

idk the new dungeons seem alright

[misty charm]

im just missing something like freehold tbh

[strong forum]

Pvp in bfa was trash, in legion it was also trash

[undone verge]

some are great and fun

others are meh

[strong forum]

Pvp in SL is 10z better than the 20min games of legion and bfa

[modern brook]

Prideful is really good at the mid level but ends up being laughable in any real progress key

Also idk why

But everyone's worse

[undone verge]

why is valor such a bad system?

[modern brook]

It accomplishes nothing

[strong forum]

Price is too high

Not worth using the points outside of 210->220

It doesn't help you gear up

[modern brook]

And even then it doesn't help you gear up

It makes 0 sense to use it on weapons cause of price point and you'll still drop them for a 226 from box or raid instantly

[undone verge]

yeah but it still does more than if it didnt exist

[strong forum]

You can upgrade 1 or 2 pieces total

Yes but that's not the point it was supposed to fix coconut

The point was to make gearing through m- viable

But it's still hot garbage

[modern brook]

That's like saying having a quarter is better than nothing when you're staring at the dollar menu

I've used my Valor exactly once over gearing 3 characters

[strong forum]

Gearing in SL is incredibly slow unless you can get boosted through mythic raid or get boosted to 2.1k in arena

No chance of gearing up quickly

[modern brook]

I'm not totally against the cadence of gearing being slower than in bfa or tita forge Era tbh

[chilly brook]

Gearing really do be kinda booty

[strong forum]

Its what's stopping me from playing an alt

[chilly brook]

Also let's be real 10 keys for 3 options is kinda dumb

[strong forum]

The time you need to invest

[modern brook]

But it's really weird being like Oops 2nd week of heroic raid being out and it already has no upgrades

[undone verge]

I dont think valor is meant to make M= gearing as good as raiding, if anything its was designed to make it so you could actually use items you got at lower keys

[strong forum]

Not as good as raiding

But atleast get upgrades

[undone verge]

mytic plus will never be as good as raiding

[modern brook]

But it doesnt

[strong forum]

Deterministic gearing like pvp

But it's not

[modern brook]

Because the upgrade cost is prohibitively high

[chilly brook]

Why not?

Literally m+ is harder than raiding tbh

[chilly brook]

Big facts

[modern brook]

Like Valor only use

[chilly brook]

Almost like it's ridiculous that you can get equivalent to raid gear from pvp but not from keys

👀

[modern brook]

Is grinding 10s for a phial

Or a changeling if ur a dork spec

[undone verge]

mythic plus is one chance at a reward after a good 30-40 minutes of time spent, where as raiding gives you around 10 chances for loot every clear. furthermore mythic plus is harder than raiding, but gives lower rewards, so unless mythic plus rewards scale higher in ilevel, and are weekly capped it will never be as efficient and easy as raiding

[modern brook]

Or any other good trinket

[chilly brook]

Raiding is efficient?

Bro do you even progression raid?

[undone verge]

as efficient

1 is still greater than 2 even though they are low numbers

[modern brook]

😬that's not how numbers work

[chilly brook]

Theres literally no downside to letting people achieve 226 with upgrades

Like literally 0

[modern brook]

I mean at the end of it

M+'s relation to raids loot tables is irrelevant when discussing valor

Valor ultimately does not address what it was trying to address

[brittle owl]

valor more like squalor

[modern brook]

So like is it better than nothing sure

I ha e a 220 phial cause of it so pog

[brittle owl]

split raidin heroic is even more efficient this expac than the previous compared to m+

gearing wise

[chilly brook]

Even if I got a 210 weapon on my paladin I'd have to do like 25 keys or something stupid like that to get it to 225

[modern brook]

Bit over gearing 3 characters to 220+, that's literally the only time I've used it

[undone verge]

your right valor failed to do what it was supposed to, but it still made things in mythic plus better, it wasnt a bad system, just wasnt as good as it can be

[brittle owl]

i don't see the point of valor atm tbh

[chilly brook]

I mean doing 25+ keys to just upgrade one item that I have to get to drop in the first place......

[brittle owl]

unless you're hardstuck at +10 and heroic raiding

[chilly brook]

Doesnt seem like a good system to me

[modern brook]

Not even Helpful then

U need ksm to get to 220

[undone verge]

I dont have to roll the fuck out of gv to get my trinket high ilevel lol'\

[chilly brook]

That's roughly 20ish hours for one 220 piece if not more time

Like bruh

[elfin nova]

You aren't going to be able to get 226 equivalent from pvp either in 9.1

[brittle owl]

i retract my point

[undone verge]

its more like barely over 10, ive hit weekly cap like every week just doing random keys. You get like 130 valor or something per 10+

[brittle owl]

there IS a point to valor

inflating play time metrics

[undone verge]

exactly

[chilly brook]

Which is good tbh because pvp gear should be separate from pve gear

[modern brook]

The new pvp changes seem uhhh blunt tbh

But I don't disagree with them

[brittle owl]

your face is blunt

lmao gottem

[undone verge]

the new pvp changes are great

[chilly brook]

You realize each upgrade for a 2h is 1k valor? So if you wanna go from 210 to 220 it's like 3000 valor

[modern brook]

Imagine slogging through 10 pugged keys

For 3 ilvls

[chilly brook]

So no it's not "just 10"

That's 22.22222 keys

Just to get the valor

Not even the item

[modern brook]

What's worse doing .222222 of a key or a world quest for your callings

[chilly brook]

Tldr horribly inefficient

[modern brook]

Isn't Valor also capped I the sense that what's spent is spent like it is with conquest? Or did they change thay

[chilly brook]

Nah that's how it works

[modern brook]

Yeesj

3k you can't get back for 10 ulvls that you throw away on a gamble every week

[undone verge]

eh 2 handed weapons are stupid cost, but I dont think prices should be to low anyway. Like most raiders do m+ and most m+ players raid, so making m+ a very easy way to gear up, makes it way faster to max the power level of your character. That just leads to less progression

[chilly brook]

Does it?

[crimson furnace]

pls

pls

the gods

pls

[chilly brook]

Most people don't do high keys

Also let's assume that's correct

It still doesnt excuse the crappy system that doesn't take your time seriously

[brittle owl]

i mean

[undone verge]

the high keys were talking about are 14s. Pretty easy, and most people just do them weekly

[brittle owl]

wow doesn't take your time seriously in general

[chilly brook]

When I spammed dungeons in Wrath it wasn't because it took me time I did it because it was fun and it was genuinely not a bad way to actually gear

[brittle owl]

🤷

[chilly brook]

Because valor back then wasn't a joke

[undone verge]

wow gearing hasnt been fun in years

[brittle owl]

valor system was better in tbc tbh

[chilly brook]

Sad truth of modern day

[undone verge]

it used to feel meaningful when you got an upgrade

[brittle owl]

well

[chilly brook]

It still does?

[brittle owl]

people weren't so sweaty about upgrades also

nowadays people are all like "muh vers" "muh sims"

[chilly brook]

Like I love seeing upgrades

[brittle owl]

"halp where upgrade"

"why are top players using this tHeN"

[gaunt dawn]

Must've been casual

[brittle owl]

nah just

dumber

[gaunt dawn]

You simmed back then

Some specs even had their own sim tools that wasnt simc

[modern brook]

I mean

[brittle owl]

true

[chilly brook]

Sims been around for a long long time

[undone verge]

upgrades now dont make me feel stronger, they make me feel like my ilevel number is going up

[brittle owl]

but fewer people were as sweaty

[chilly brook]

And when we didnt have them we had spreadsheets kekw

[gaunt dawn]

And the public consensus was BiS lists and gearscore

[brittle owl]

and the sweat didn't make much of a difference as well

gearscore 🤮

[modern brook]

Sweat still doesn't tbh

[brittle owl]

fair

[modern brook]

Ppl bitch and moan about optimizing secondaries

And have 30% effective block

[gaunt dawn]

But in the higher end environments you simmed for stat optimisation

[modern brook]

It's like bro

[chilly brook]

Idk my damage week 2 and my damage now beg to differ

[brittle owl]

i member in tbc there was this chinese guild making thottbot/wowhead news

[gaunt dawn]

Just wanted to dispel that myth real quick 🙂

[brittle owl]

by clearing BT in dungeon blues

[gaunt dawn]

You can go back to ranting now xoxo

[chilly brook]

I'd rather you teach me how to pink tank

[gaunt dawn]

Check ivy veins (with ad block off, support your guide writers)

If that doesnt get you 90% of the way there lmk. Cos it should.

And I'll update

[brittle owl]

tbh

fuck guides, just do it

[chilly brook]

[brittle owl]

learn the hard way

[gaunt dawn]

Or that

Back in my day we didnt have guides!

[brittle owl]

enjoy the pain

[modern brook]

Please dont

[gaunt dawn]

(But we did)

They were far less detailed than they are now

[brittle owl]

fwiw, i didn't say simming didn't exist

[strong forum]

You still dont have guides, you make them

Hah gotem

[gaunt dawn]

😢

Back then I was a lowly raid leader

[chilly brook]

Tfw I'm considering going Venthyr for Sire prog

[gaunt dawn]

Of a guild getting server first

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

I member when Server first was smth cool

[brittle owl]

childhood

[strong forum]

And then I grew up ye

[brittle owl]

and got anime hair

[chilly brook]

I remember when wow was something cool

[strong forum]

Bro

[gaunt dawn]

I also ran pugs in all 3 of the first xpacs

[brittle owl]

dont bro me

[strong forum]

Yes dude. That's the good part

[modern brook]

Yeah like 45 minutes into clasisic aid patch

[strong forum]

Did you see my new insta/twitter post, my hair is so fucking anime now

So good

[undone verge]

gear makes you stronger yeah, but its never felt meaningful. proably cause we have many difficulties. Its more like in classic where there was one difficulty, it actually felt like fights were easier, things were dying faster, where as in live your gear basically scales with the level of content your doing. So instead of it feeling like things are easier, it feels like you can do higher level stuff

[chilly brook]

Hey I'm quite enjoying my level 23 blood elf paladin in prepatch

[brittle owl]

i don't have your insta 😢

pls dm

[strong forum]

You have 3 guesses

[modern brook]

I keep staring at the tbc character creator

And realizing how much stupid horse shit I'll have to do to "maintain snd" or "slam"

And I just go back to retail

[brittle owl]

followed

[chilly brook]

And I'm also gonna have to learn what the hell I'm doing with this 58 undead woyer

[strong forum]

👌

[still pagoda]

[brittle owl]

literally turning into an anime char

steroids when

[still pagoda]

What have you done to Nome? TURN HIM INTO KENSHIRO

[unique shale]

GM

[gaunt dawn]

I would play tbc

But I've been informed that I'd be spat on

And kicked out of groups

Via a weak aura

[unique shale]

[strong forum]

That means you avoid dumb players

That's a good thing imo

[gaunt dawn]

That's most of em

[strong forum]

Avoiding players is a good thing

[still pagoda]

As if we don't have the same problem on retail

[brittle owl]

all players are dumb

[gaunt dawn]

I find it mad that people I know who raid in classic always appear offline

[brittle owl]

just diff shades

[chilly brook]

Sakura called she wants her hair back so she can go see Naruto

[brittle owl]

never stop learning kids 👌

[unique shale]

[gaunt dawn]

Cos if the classic players see them in retail they get kicked in classic

[still pagoda]

Exactly

Brainlag can get you anywhere

Anytime

[strong forum]

I'm hot, fuck you

[still pagoda]

No matter who you are

[chilly brook]

[brittle owl]

so is sakura

[still pagoda]

Paladin nerfs are a spook

[unique shale]

NERF DH

OMG

[still pagoda]

Just don't invite DH players. They're dumb most of the time anyway

[unique shale]

everybody taking those people in pvp and pve !!!

say dh free guild invite as main tank

easy

[still pagoda]

And then instakick right after the first raid if this would ever be a real precedent

Because said dh succ

[unique shale]

our guild sadly had dh tank which he didn't have any enchantment on any items but they keep it cause he wasn't dying.

[still pagoda]

Smells like normal/HC

or lfr

[unique shale]

we were on HC sire something like 4 month ago

[still pagoda]

Such scrubs don't get past first 1-2 bosses of mythic usually

[unique shale]

well he did 1 & 2 until i got angry about his log doing zero dps

[still pagoda]

Though, me and Panthea know one case of such scrub who got carried by gear at the end of BfA and got himself CE... Multiple months after absolutely decimating nerfs of Nzoth

[unique shale]

then i find out he have been tanking without enchantment

[unique shale]

[gaunt dawn]

bad rng in recruitment

sometimes you just take what you get

[still pagoda]

Get buff and you'll be hotter

[gaunt dawn]

something you actually try to recruit

[unique shale]

i was trying to show how easy is to get into guild as dh

[strong forum]

Ikr but lazy is too strong

[still pagoda]

Into a normal/heroic guild that sucks if they consider meta for what they're doing

[unique shale]

i had case where dh had 1.3k verssa and me with 500 and yet he took way more damage then me

[gaunt dawn]

there are monks out there

taking more damage than i did on prog

they're 226, i was like 213

[jagged pier]

@gaunt dawn you said the other day on sire u need SW for 7:20 and 9 mins out of interest whats happening at thoughs points?

[gaunt dawn]

9mins is 2nd overlap

7:20 is first seed movement

after price 1

assuming you are the 2nd tank in p3

those are your highest DTPS periods

this also assumes that you swap on each shatter

[jagged pier]

Alright ive been to 7:20 a fair but and didnt really feel in pain

But not 9 mins so was just wondering

And yer we are

And i can take second tank it works out better for me anyways

[gaunt dawn]

at the 9min mark

you can get to 8-10 stacks

easily

[jagged pier]

Fair enough

Just so i know

[gaunt dawn]

depends on your co-tank tho

i'm probs the worst for it

cos i have to run away and do transcend BS

so i taunt a solid 3s after the knock

[jagged pier]

Ah well ill see whats going on but dh and warrior tank dint need no BS we leap and charge

[unique shale]

yeah so good

to be fast boy

[gaunt dawn]

You wouldnt leap as warrior

reflect

you dont want any RNG

[jagged pier]

Yer the dh leaps i charge repisal kinda big final phase

[tawdry dirge]

are ppl running pelagos or kelia?

ahh nvm i found out we can sim that

[jagged pier]

Ither both are fine

Kelia simsa higher but in some situation pelagos actually does more as 2 potencies

[tawdry dirge]

yeah true dat its abit more in sims

[ionic fern]

Which reminds me, i gotta go back to Kyrian.

[tawdry dirge]

and interessting enough the conduit for the spear is lower then juggernaut

[jagged pier]

[median tulip]

Personally the difference is so small for tanking with that I run Pelagos as Kleia is my go-to for my DPS spec

[jagged pier]

I mean it will sim less yes but thats not always true as execute often doesnt last as long as it doing in sims

[tawdry dirge]

i thought kyr isnt that interessting anymore with necro buffs and NF for m+

[jagged pier]

Eh?

Its still the general go to cov

Even next patch

[ionic fern]

• there is not the possibility to always keep the buff up in game due to movement/rage issues etc.

[tawdry dirge]

ahh cool then i am happy cause i like the blueboy team

[median tulip]

A self heal and a kiting tool that also give Rage are a pretty good toolset

[ionic fern]

Necro is w/e.
NF is great for m+.

[tawdry dirge]

ahh okay diffrence is anyway for me only 2 dps 😄

[median tulip]

Also the whole bleed/curse removal is prime for Necrotic and Grievous weeks

[tawdry dirge]

that issue i dont have anymore with DI dwarf 😛

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-john-rhys-davies-gimli-surprised-shocked-gif-17877985

^ play Gimli.

[ionic fern]

Wdym. Dwarf is the only race for alliance.

[tawdry dirge]

why so 😄

i like the DI ones tbf

[ionic fern]

DID or Dwarf, w/e.

They are the same.

[tawdry dirge]

i dont push that high keys or CE that the defensive value of stoneform would benefit me

ergo i take the dmg boost on DI 🙂

[ionic fern]

Tfw regular dwarf > DID in damage.

[tawdry dirge]

wasnt for me

i simmed it out

[ionic fern]

Do you even pump?

[tawdry dirge]

the windows have been pretty smal thought

[median tulip]

If I was forced to play Alliance I'd play DID

[tawdry dirge]

flamybeard?

most part i like is the speedbuff tbf 😄

coming from a slow ass human pala

[orchid frigate]

i'd also play DID if i had an alliance warrior

[tawdry dirge]

what is horde playing classical orc?

or tauren?

[strong forum]

Most people are belf

It all comes down to personal preference except for alliance

Dorf op

[jagged pier]

Panda chungus master race

[tawdry dirge]

aha interessting

but gues belf is the best looking like human on alli

[jagged pier]

I mean that subjective tbh

Belf is really boring imo

[brittle owl]

people coom for boring stuff ig

[orchid frigate]

is hunters falling behind a scaling issue?

[sweet summit]

no

[orchid frigate]

other classes gotten better?

[sweet summit]

they still have the same niche of 2 minute 5 target nuking

their single target was never good

[orchid frigate]

ah okies

[strong forum]

They just got nerfed

They were OP, they nerfed the OP, and then rebuffed stuff a bit and are still in a solid spot just not as strong as before

[sweet summit]

oh yeah they fixed a bug didnt they

[orchid frigate]

feel i hear a lot "this doesnt scale and will be bad, just see mm and ww and how good fury warriors are coming"

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Lmao

That's cuz fury got buffed like 7 times

[sweet summit]

sCaLiNg

[strong forum]

And WW got bug fixed

Same as MM

Lmao

WW is still crazy strong cuz they got buffed after the bugfix to offset the fix

Not cuz of scaling

[orchid frigate]

guess i shouldnt listen to sources that speaks of scaling left and right

[strong forum]

Fury got buffed by over 30% since SL launched

[sweet summit]

correct

[strong forum]

So yeah, don't listen to people that just say scaling

[orchid frigate]

holy moly

[strong forum]

It's tuning, not scaling

[orchid frigate]

check

[strong forum]

Shadowpriest however, that one actually does scale

[brittle owl]

bUt HiStOrIcAlLy

[strong forum]

They get crazy with more and more gear

Even right now they value haste over mainstat like crazy

[gaunt dawn]

scaling :0

[brittle owl]

shadowform is actually the priest vibrating so fast that they bend light

[gaunt dawn]

one of my favourite memes

[brittle owl]

that's why they want haste

[gaunt dawn]

there are very few cases of actual scaling

[orchid frigate]

elaborate pls

[gaunt dawn]

gear increasing != scaling

scaling would imply an exponential increase

rather than a fairly linear one

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[gaunt dawn]

most of the time scaling is mentioned its one of the two incorrect scenarios

gear increasing at a linear rate
buffs happening

[jagged pier]

☝️

[strong forum]

Scaling means your class get 12 or more power out of 10 points when others get 10 power out of 10 points. To put it incredibly simple

With arbitrary scales

With no other factors included

[gaunt dawn]

i have a nerd question for you

ever since i moved to my new pc

my OBS recordings have increased in size by ~10x

i'm p sure my settings are the same

but cant be sure

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

settings or driver update

[strong forum]

Bitrate?

[brittle owl]

idk how obs behaves with gfx drivers doe

[strong forum]

Maybe you record with 50k Bitrate instead of 25k or smth

[gaunt dawn]

its local recordings

so bitrate is irrelevant

no?

i stream at 6k bitrate

[strong forum]

Yes streaming, but you can also record on different bit rates

[jagged pier]

What is your output video?

[gaunt dawn]

all the settings are in that screenshot

o, my old recordings were downscaled

👀

[jagged pier]

Thats what i ment

Its not in the screen shot

I record at 1080p

But im playing at 2k

[gaunt dawn]

Rescale output

is where its noted

unchecked, so no downscaling atm

[strong forum]

Downscale it to 16:9

[gaunt dawn]

no 😡

[jagged pier]

🤔

[strong forum]

That'd look funny

Just all squished

[brittle owl]

use 4:3 for the authentic retro look

[gaunt dawn]

fairly high quality recording

👀

[jagged pier]

👀

[gaunt dawn]

castually recording in 4k

[strong forum]

Aha aha pally exploits

[gaunt dawn]

and wondering why its eating my SSD

[strong forum]

I'm onto you

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

New fall guys update looks lit

[orchid frigate]

lol switched to arms to get some OS gear and got anima field emitter. not bad for my main spec 🙂

[zenith monolith]

Hey guys, currently progging on Sire. Is Pelagos still the best soulbind ? Was thinking maybe bringing in the better Cry. Ty.

[jagged pier]

Yes he is and u can take what u like better cry and a bigger hp pot aint bad

[fresh belfry]

there is a trinket vendor on the PTR for the new raid trinkets

doesnt sell the new cheat death trinket

[strong forum]

Good

Fuck cheat death trinkets

[blazing condor]

rewind death

[jagged pier]

THIS

[blazing condor]

damn jakey dont agree with me

[jagged pier]

I agree with the peepostudy as well

[blazing condor]

: )

[haughty sleet]

I went Kleia, does slightly more dps

[sweet summit]

nice

[strong forum]

That's alot

Just alot

Tmog that has the most going on

[signal plover]

I don't think TF and the shield match that

The belt is an interesting choice as well.

But hey, if you like it, send it

[tame jasper]

Hm changing 220 crit/hast ring to 226 versa/mastery ring drops me to 20% haste (versa socket) but brigns mie to 17% vers

20 haste is minimum we should have, right? (according to Pika)

[strong forum]

I'd use the 220

The 20% minimum haste is feelycraft

But dropping a 220 haste ring for a non haste ring is not an option

No way jose

[tame jasper]

k

[dusky canopy]

Any advice for getting myself to use shield wall or last stand more often.. I find my self so hyper focused on SB uptime with reprisal and weaving IP in tween revenges when needed that I forget to use my defensives..

[jagged pier]

Just press the buttons

Or make WAs the size of the screen when they are off cd

[dusky canopy]

Haha I've actually done that with intervene I'll probably do the same good call

[river spade]

Is there spreadsheet with all shortcuts ?

[tropic linden]

like on your keyboard? Shortcuts for what?

[jagged pier]

Back in WoD i knew a mage whose screen when black everytime crystal and ring were cd

[river spade]

@tropic linden shortcuts for abilities names

Like u know SB and stuff

[dusky canopy]

No kidding lol, it's odd for me to use them I guess with this tank spec because I never really feel like I need defensives due too SB uptime / IP
Probably mostly due to the fact that I haven't been doing very difficult content so far it's been +10 - +12 keys for the specific gear I want

[tropic linden]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/protection-warrior-glossary-abbreviations-common-terms

[jagged pier]

Better to get used to pressing them in eaiser content like i tbh dont press them enough, but its not all pressing them on cd. Its pressing them and know that youll have them when u need them it takes a while to get used too tbh

[river spade]

@tropic linden thank u kind m8, i asked cuz for SV hunt they got separated Spreadsheet

[tropic linden]

IMO u need to start using it on CD and then fine tuning to use when needed after u condition urself to always remember the skill exists

[tropic linden]

[jagged pier]

Thats the better way

[dusky canopy]

Trying to get myself to use them more I've been just using them right before the free sb from charge falls off at the start of big pulls

And I've been holding last stand for scenarios of < 30% hp

[signal plover]

There's some pulls where you should stack SW with block (shit maybe even an IP) but they're few and far between. Usually you can just use SW as the sweet SB gap filler

[tropic linden]

Last stand u usually use on CD for the Rage generation from conduits, and is not only a heal but increase in HP

[signal plover]

Last stand is basically a DPS CD if you're running AM and unnerving

Or well..a rage gen CD

[dusky canopy]

I try using SW like that as well sometimes as a filler between SB uptime

[tropic linden]

I mean, it's "only" a 30% heal, not realy a defensive cd if u have nothing up with it. They will shread this 30% in no second

No i look like a crazy one haha

[obtuse marsh]

ring 1 or ring 2

[dusky canopy]

Ring 1

100%

[strong forum]

1

[jagged pier]

Eing 1 it has loads of haste

[dusky canopy]

<20% haste always

[jagged pier]

Ring*

[obtuse marsh]

ty 😉

[tropic linden]

I usually wait for harder packs where SB is not enough and kite when SB is down

[strong forum]

39% haste or bust

[dusky canopy]

Bro I wish

Do we know haste break points for sb recharge times?

[dusky canopy]

Ironically enough I find myself not really needing to kite much with reprisal due to High SB uptime granted it's only in +10s 12s etc but still its great

I only really kite things that do bleeds

Atleast so far

I know once I get this tank into 15s it'll be more mandatory

[jagged pier]

166%

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[tropic linden]

if i'm not wrong u just cut ur haste from the SB CD. With 30% haste SB should be 12.3 sec

[jagged pier]

Which is why u go for 39% because anything passed that u actually get 8 haste for every 10

[dusky canopy]

Haste on every piece of gear including rings having haste as the higher stats gets us around 30% right

[strong forum]

More

I can have up to 33% haste unbuffed

And I don't have bis neck

Or every single big haste piece

Only a couple

[dusky canopy]

I'll be limited to 213-220 gear mostly on this alt outside of vault loot so I'm assuming I can get to around 30% after enough valor farm

[strong forum]

But I socketed and enchanted mastery to get a few more crit blocks with the high uptime on SB we can have

I value that much more

[tropic linden]

The actual math is 16/(1+haste)

Same for cast time

[strong forum]

So rn I have 28% haste and only like 21% mastery, but better than 31% haste and 15%mastery

33% more crit blocks that way for very little effort

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah 6% in a stat is pretty great and you still have what like 12s sb recharge?

[strong forum]

Smth like that ye

[dusky canopy]

On pikas video someone commented some haste break points is that guy blowing smoke? Sec I'll post

[strong forum]

There are no breakpoints

[dusky canopy]

Gotcha so this guys blowing smoke then

[strong forum]

Not reachable ones

Not to mention that the math is wrong

[jagged pier]

No u want 39% before itf

[tropic linden]

This is the right math

[modern brook]

isnt itf also a multiplier?

[strong forum]

It's a multiplier yes

So he's for one talking out his ass

[dusky canopy]

16 haste stat = 1% is that what thats saying?

[modern brook]

no

[tropic linden]

16 is the SB cd

[dusky canopy]

Oh right right don't mind me lacking coffee this morning lol

[modern brook]

the cd is 16/(1+haste%)

so if u have 50% haste

its 16/1.5

= a number

that in seconds, is sb's hasted cd

[tropic linden]

The actual problem is that is not really "break points" because the CD can be decimals, don't need to be full numbers

[strong forum]

Itf is a 10% multiplier, your base haste is 100%. So if you have 30% haste, with full ITF you end up at 43% haste in total

[modern brook]

this

[strong forum]

Same with heroism/Lust

The only relevant breakpoint that exists is 39% because at 40% the 20% stat tax sets in making it not worth losing the additional stat points for a bigger increase in said stat

[dusky canopy]

So for me it'd be 16 divided by 1.21

[tropic linden]

Wait it's better than i though. Nice

[strong forum]

Then the opportunity cost is too high

[modern brook]

even then I think its only on raw haste #'s

[dusky canopy]

And that's how long recharge time is

[modern brook]

like it costs more haste value to get 1% haste

[tropic linden]

https://pt.wowhead.com/guides/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[strong forum]

Yes raw value

Not % for the tax

[modern brook]

so % buffs or trinkets that give haste without raw value are still valued

[strong forum]

Yup

Raw value, its just easier to say the straight number without buffs

[tropic linden]

The 10% tax from 30% to 39% isn't relevant enough?

[strong forum]

No

You lose a total of 33 haste going from 30 to 40%

Which is not relevant enough

From 40 to 50% you lose 66 haste

For example

Which is quite a chunk

[tropic linden]

Thanks

In 9.1 we will reach 39% haste with ease i think

[strong forum]

It takes some serious commitment to getting to 40% anyway

Not with ease

[undone verge]

why did all of the top mythic plus runs turn orange. Is Guardian just that good grievous sanguin?

cause pretty much every run that isnt grievous sanguine is still vengence

[jagged pier]

Its push week

[lime urchin]

Because baers don’t die!

[jagged pier]

And druid is better

In general

Basically unkillable every 3 mins

And every 2 mins

[undone verge]

I guess yeah

veng is better in other weeks

[ionic fern]

Haste🧢

Damn, i was scrolled up.

😦

[signal plover]

Heh noob

[undone verge]

I suppose its because veng is better at the kiting meta, but with guardian has the best straight survivability, so in weeks when straight surviving is best, they shine

[modern brook]

Kiting meta died in like February

[undone verge]

not as bad ever since the dmg taken buffs

[plush tendon]

Yea, now we're in the 'wait for next patch' meta 😄

[dusky canopy]

laughs in shield block

Anyone added together all the haste from 9.1 gear on ptr yet? What about gems any gems we go for? Trying to catch myself up to speed

[strong forum]

worry about that when you get there

👍

its literally useless information knowing about the maximum value

[dusky canopy]

But but.. useless information is my favorite

[ionic fern]

Only bird that can fly backwards: Hummingbird

You're welcome.

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

Took notes

[signal plover]

Pigeons fly backwards when they get yeeted by cars downtown...have seen it

[proud dock]

wait kiting meta died? sorry new to tank -- didnt follow the tank meta prior

[fathom spindle]

RNGesus blessed me with a 226 scale today 😍

[signal plover]

You're better off just not following the tank "meta" imo

[proud dock]

😄

[jagged pier]

There was never a kiting meta

[signal plover]

Uhhh

[iron forum]

kiting meta is greatly overplayed by people who just arent used to having to rotate their defensives properly. Kiting is definitely an important tool now, but its not that big of a deal in most dungeons

[signal plover]

Just the fact that "kiting meta" exists as a term says that there was at least enough of a strong conception that kiting was necessary early on in the 9.0 cycle

[dusky canopy]

As prot warrior we are inclined to believe theirs no "kite meta" laughs in shield block

[signal plover]

Even prot warr needed to kite eventually in 9.0

Tanks started the xpac in a relatively weak state

[iron forum]

yeah first couple weekly of 9.0 were pretty bad but theyve nerfed tank damage intake significantly since then

[signal plover]

Or maybe just the expectations of what should be tanked easily were not in line with the reality of the tier.

Not to mention gearing was in a rough spot at the start

Had to get dat pvpppp

[median tulip]

Congratulations!

[subtle island]

Any idea what Kyrian leggo is yet?

[strong forum]

nop

still not in the game

[fathom spindle]

Ty 🥰

[weak snow]

does anyone know why i cant see other ppls mdt links in chat but me and others can see the ones i link?

[strong forum]

Prolly an update issue

[jagged pier]

U know what it would be hype if the kyrian leggo made spear area of effect bigger and worked like mass grip, that woukd be cool

/slappy hands

Grabs everything in and keeps them in the circle

[strong forum]

Defo

The tiny area of it is actually infuriating

But the leggo would have to be severely broken to beat reprisal

[jagged pier]

I mean true

[strong forum]

And thats not gonna happen when fury still exists

[jagged pier]

But would be fun to play around with

[strong forum]

Cuz they can't balance leggos around multiple specs for some reason

Cuz braindamage, instead of having multiple values for different specs, they nerf the entire thing

See, condemn conduit

[jagged pier]

Yer its sad

[strong forum]

I swear because this game is so old and some code is so poorly written and connected with every piece is why we can't have nice things

[jagged pier]

It did used to be coded on rabbits so yes probably

[strong forum]

Like there were some game issues related to the default bag you have because the code is so spaghetti that core game mechanics somehow had to do with the code of the bag and thats why it was so hard to untangle

Or some shit

[fallow jasper]

the "kite meta" community perception was dropped when every tank got buffed and veng got nerfed on 9.0.5

[jagged pier]

I wasnt kiting in 9.0 tbh

[tame jasper]

everything other (code) would be suprising on such an old code

[jagged pier]

U all just weak

[strong forum]

Vdh still has to kite obscene amounts, but guardian and warrior aren't kite tanks

[fallow jasper]

I wrote community perception, missed it first my bad

[lime urchin]

Amen

[strong forum]

And vdh didn't get nerfed in 9.0.5, they still had they physical mitigation buffed by 5% which is much more relevant than the lost 10%magic

And in 9.1 vdh will get the buffed to the same values as the other tanks got in the end

[strong forum]

Ye I guess

[thorn fiber]

How much haste do/or we should be looking to get, I feel like I'm having huge down time in my rotation waiting for rage, granted there are times were I'm probably messing up.

[strong forum]

Prot and guardian only kite for specific mechanics, when vdh has glaring downtime issues cuz they can't tank outside of meta windows

[strong forum]

As much as you can, usually if you feel you have huge downtime you are defo making mistakes

[fallow jasper]

and dunno. the deal is that blizzard has trying to get rid of the perception that M+ is "gather everything and AoE it down", even though that's hard to do

they tried "make mobs harder" on bfa. that, uh, didn't go well

[strong forum]

Blizzard is stupid in trying to do so

What's wrong with aoe killing everything

I don't get it

[thorn fiber]

Im only 203 but my haste is only like 12%.

[strong forum]

Well yeah you're undergeard as hell. Prot will start to feel better starting at 210++

Prot needs gear to get going

And my personal feelycraft is, around 25%is when shit starts to be groovey

[fallow jasper]

nerds that think that taking their sweet time on marking mobs on dungeons that people run dozens of times already and have a map of each pack is "how things should be done"

[blazing condor]

I always feel like i take a billion damage in fort DoS dungeons

[fallow jasper]

I think that they should get bent, but I'm not blizzard

[blazing condor]

like way more than other dungeons

[fallow jasper]

isn't DoS, like, a gorillion magic damage on bosses?

[tame jasper]

dont get me wrong: I like challening mini-boss trash, but that's one point I like tyrannical more than fortified: Trash feels more like trash

[fathom spindle]

First two packs are rough in there, magic damage

[strong forum]

It's only really the first 2 packs that suck in DoS

Rest is omega chill

But then again

I don't push cuz im not a degenerate that plays badly designed content, designed to fuck you in the ass

With no fun allowed

[tame jasper]

^^

[blazing condor]

yeah and i play those properly i feel like. Maybe i just havent done 20s on fort in a while but as soon as i step in there i just take a lot of damage

[fallow jasper]

dunno. I haven't tanked in ages so getting used to it again, part of that is realizing that you can't do cool skips with weaker players

[blazing condor]

Im just comparing to other dungeons

[fathom spindle]

Well, If your group can keep a consistant supply of interupts and/or stuns, it goes quite well.

I Rarely run DoS without a Balance though, trees are just to stronk

[strong forum]

Having a boomkin is like day and night

Same with a firemage

Not having those 2 will just make your run so much more less fun cuz of the dumb things they have

[fathom spindle]

Ele is decent, with the earth Elemental on steroids.
To long of a CD though

[strong forum]

I had the trifecta early in SL

[fallow jasper]

and dispels

[strong forum]

Resto sham, ele sham, boomy, fire mage and me through just the sheer coincidence that this are our mains

Safe to say I didn't have to tank alot

[fallow jasper]

like, holy shit, does NW goes wrong when healers don't know what they are doing

[fathom spindle]

Ahh that’s right, spell steal the big adds buff

[tame jasper]

are there trainingsdummies where you can execute?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

At least there are on PTR - i would guess it's the same on live.
Check your covenants training dummy section.

[tame jasper]

they are all at full hp 😦

[ionic fern]

Attack them. 👀

Some of them go down to like 10% hp.

[tame jasper]

Got he Boss one down to 93% then he killed me 😄 The others regen every few secs (kyrian) 😄 so my damage is too low that I don't do 1mio dps 😄

[ionic fern]

That's weird.
I know for sure that the Venthyr class hall has one..never checked the other ones. 👀

[chilly brook]

Well the Venthyr class hall you can condemn at 100% hp

[ionic fern]

^or maybe it was that.

[stark sage]

classic mwahi

[tame jasper]

😄

[blazing condor]

I swear druids are the biggest idiots in m+

Huntards are now off the hook

[tame jasper]

when you have hunter and druid in your grp 😄

[hollow sun]

The best thing you can have is the hunter using the urn in DOS on the mask on pull

[blazing condor]

Or not pre-urning the rage

Making the rage tick 8 times

[dark mountain]

How long is the CD on shield wall with the wall leggo with good use of SS?

[sweet summit]

the wall is roughly 50% CDR, so ~2 minute cd

[jagged pier]

depends on talents and conduit as well but reduction from just the wall is 2 mins ish as erga said

[strong forum]

If you're God Mode it's 1min

[jagged pier]

(with the right talent)

[strong forum]

Even without AM

I was living proof

[jagged pier]

how many SS procs did u get

[strong forum]

18 per minute

[jagged pier]

[real thunder]

Question regarding ToP's 1st boss, do you guys focus the accursed through her shield and kill her 1st? Or do you switch off of her and let her shield timeout?

[strong forum]

Eh okay it's more like 1.5min

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