so your RL is talking shit
#protection
sweet summit
strong forum
RL is talking out of his ass
sweet summit
and deserves a bonk
for being dumb
screenshot this and link it
i will fight him
strong forum
Having any amount of stats isn't gonna magically safe you. Playing well is
analog swift
your raid lead is a nincompoop
frosty estuary
does intervene block giant fist damage on sludgefist?
sweet summit
its niche
you can live it
but generally yeah, dont :p
you get enough SB uptime from charge and just normal SB though
pretty sure
elfin nova
It's a net gain if you would otherwise have no block
Because you take double damage but also half damage and your cotank takes no damage
🤔
Blocking is about 50% dr, you get hit twice, so you take about the same as what you'd take without having it. Cotank doesn't take damage
sweet summit
its less than 50%
elfin nova
Or you can ask them to cancelaura it in some ability but yeah you can also just not press it and it's fine
sweet summit
even with 233 shield
sweet summit
35.748894038340004213187276174426% damage reduction with 233 shield in a mythic raid
elfin nova
Really
Huh
Anecdotal i guess but looking at average hit and blocked hit in logs i figured it was more
sweet summit
unless i somehow can't use a calculator then yeah
a crit block is twice that amount though
so ~71.5%
thats also before armor, worth noting i guess
steady slate
is Instructor's Divine Bell useful in M+? i have a 203 and i am thinking of using it
sweet summit
usually too low ilvl and duration to be worth considering
but it depends on what other options you have available
steady slate
my other options aren't great. i have a 203 blood-spattered scale, which i have equipped, and some dps trinkets, none of them top tier chase trinkets.
macabre sheet music is probably the best of the bunch
i've been using the pvp stat stick trinket that procs str. it's only 190, but i only have to fiddle with one on-use trinket
sweet summit
what the item level on the crystal and macabre?
steady slate
213 and 200 respectively
sweet summit
and you can safely vendor/disenchant leash and stoneheart
id go with crystal then
bit annoying with double on-use but youll be fine
steady slate
i got stoneheart today. it was a "reward" from the 14 i did today
sweet summit
yay...
steady slate
i would've rather had anima power
i timed that 14, which was a reward in and of itself. i've been getting my butt kicked on anything 12 or higher. mwahi and jakey gave me some pointers that really helped
sweet summit
nice man 
steady slate
we're getting ready to try a NW 15. i haven't tanked a 15 yet, so i expect shenanigans
sweet summit
we're getting ready to try a NW 15. i haven't tanked a 15 yet, so i expect shen...
Good luck!
sweet summit
is there reason ever to make the SW to party leggo
No
coral jasper
Hey ... question. Would you guys use a 213 Gluttenous or a 194 Hymnal for m+?
I know str = more IP but hymnal does more dmg, yes? Or is the str from gluttenous that much more for the dmg of all other abilities?
mighty valley
probably hymnal... you can sim the DPS difference and decide if the pretty small defensive bonus from the str is worth anything
urban portal
There's no way you wouldn't use a glut right
The ilvl diff is too high
Sim the dps yeah
undone verge
Push week tomorrow
maybe I can finally time that dos 15 people so painfully keep messing up the manastorms
valid glacier
I use phial and generals trinket
Both passive but they are good options for tanking
If I could I would replace the phial for the sun kings or DoS trinket
jagged pier
Other way around u drop SLH for DoS trinket, and you dont care about al'ar until your doing content thats likely to kill u otherwise its just useless
jagged pier
There's no way you wouldn't use a glut right
194 hynmal does more damage than most 226 trinkets, u just loose strength for it
past grove
Personal goals. Progressing Sludgefist and managing to maintain 3.5k+ in most of the wipes (Usually 3.8k in the sub20% wipes) while getting close to 100% block with reprisal. Figuring out just how often I can hold off on casting SB between pushbacks and stomp is quite cool and not wasting too much uptime on SB.
Feels bad when on a few instances where I need to cast it for just 1 hit though.
jagged pier
Personal goals. Progressing Sludgefist and managing to maintain 3.5k+ in most of...
Missing 1 or 2 hits not to waste sb is fine
And if your co tank has a cancel aura intervene macro it makes it even easier as u can intervene him whenever you like and not take both fists
past grove
I'm just glad that I haven't snapped chains at all getting the charge in after pushback/stomp.
I've been taking those double hits from Intervene as not having too much of an issue from them except after he enrages. Will suggest that though.
jagged pier
Well chains are a lot longer now
past grove
Yeah, definitely had a few very close calls.
carmine prawn
Are there any stuff i should look out for when tanking PF15 at ilvl 204?
turbid gazelle
Reflect the stomp.
Reflect a bunch of tankbuster mechanics the trash uses, ex. what the explosive beetles cast, etc.
fringe marten
The things about plaguefall that can make it easier are knowing what you can reflect; having a good plan on how you wanna pull the area with the plagueborers/slimes/bomb barrels.
The 'spit' from the Plagueborers is both a lot of damage and the source of the 'slow' they try to use to try and catch you with the bomb...also make sure your party focuses the barrels/plagueborers so they kill the other stuff (skull mark them)
can reflect or deflect? the cytotoxic whatever thing from spider queen? Remember the zombies are actually a legit issue if they live and are on you for a while.
strong forum
Reflect 1 auto attack
You used to be able to reflect the ability itself on beta, but on live you only reflect 1 poison hit from her auto attack
fringe marten
The plague attack they do to the nearest target reduces all your stats by 5% each time it hits you so the first pull in that area is a barrel, 3 zombies, and the big patroller dude..on higher keys or if you don't get them dead fast you won't realize why you suddenly start getting torn up because you've lost so much hp/etc to their stacking debuff.
The second pull in that area is usually 1 caster 2 zombies..easy..then third is 2 plague borers and the patroller guy with his red slime. That pull is surprisingly nasty if you don't kick the casts, and reflect the spit from the 2x plague borers (some people split them up to bomb the caster/2 zombies pack)
But that all has to do with your route..hell you may have a route that doesn't even mess with that stuff.
That's just the way I'm used to doing it.. The FIRST pull in plaguefall is rough too oddly. (big giant dude, 3 shrooms..and 75% of pugs asspull the sleeping plague roc)
So I usually take that pull a little to the right to avoid the plague roc.
Plaguefall I think ? I might be wrong here but I think it has more legit variations that are 'good' routes than any other dungeon. And depending on your route there's gonna' be a nasty section..have a plan for how you deal with the nasty section.
subtle island
I'm just glad that I haven't snapped chains at all getting the charge in after p...
Something about letting co tank move in before slingshotting past them with charge feels really nice lol
fringe marten
NO. Break. Their. Neck. a couple times..then say you 'learned how to do it right' But definitely wreck them a couple times for spite.
YMMV..I hate everyone and want to see everything burn and fail so..never listen to anything I say. (But do it.)
misty charm
where did that come from lol
fringe marten
playing wow
Specifically pugging keys since late legion..and mmo's in general. Builds an extreme hate for humanity.
oh and working in retail..never ever work retail.
However I know what you mean casey; my cotank was bear and he would sometimes skull bash back in..sometimes not..but either way had to find the timing not to kill him. The only time it was an issue is on pillar breaks (early on in prog) where he'd pop back and shift to drop a convoke..and I'd charge in not realizing and murder him. only happened once then we fixed it lol.
blazing condor
I'm just glad that I haven't snapped chains at all getting the charge in after p...
Cancel aura is great but not necessary either. When i did sludge i found that you could very consistently intervene someone in the chain-slam group as they got pulled in without moving away from where you stand. It's not necessary to intervene for full uptime but it helps a lot, i always had SB up
If you can have the aura though it's probably better id imagine
tiny sable
Any interesting new legos on ptr?
jagged pier
Not really
carmine prawn
Thanks for all the advice on PF, will remember those and apply it!!
fringe marten
Oh I wouldn't intervene anyone in chain group; it's not that you can't but even the risk of them being the closer target for giant fists, even the small risk you delete a dps for those 4 seconds of block I just don't feel is worth it.
So the 'new' stuff for the soul binds; is it new nodes or reworked ones?
blazing condor
It's definitely a risk to intervene chain group but the only time it ever lead to a death (happened once or twice in about 150 pulls) it was because a dps moving out went and stood on the tank - meaning he probably wouldve been hit anyway.
Just saying from my experience. It was nice not having to work with the intervene cancel-aura.
blazing condor
Yeah its definitely not necessary
jagged pier
I know because my co tank didnt do the macto corrcetly
For a long time and we killed it before the nerf so intervening other ppl was a bigger risk
blazing condor
depends on how your guild deals with the chain slam as well i guess. But since you can intervene without moving it was mega-fine for our tries
jagged pier
Nah like thats fine and stuff just sometimes i would intervene and the boss would just slap someone else even with me not moving
blazing condor
Rip to u but im different
jagged pier
And i didnt need the block it was just easief with so i just stopped pressing it
strong forum
Oh I wouldn't intervene anyone in chain group; it's not that you can't but even ...
I intervened on chain slams, the chain slam target would 100% be close enough to me after landing so I wouldn't move with intervene
toxic wadi
Do you guys use devastator talent?
sweet summit
always
jagged pier
Always
ionic fern
Never.
sweet summit
brittle owl
tropic linden
Do i have to type /combatlogs everytime i log in? Can't i set it to default? Everytime i don't do this the game don't log my run 😦
jagged pier
Exsorsus raid tools will log for u the moment u enter a dungeon if u set it up
sweet summit
You mean damage reduction?
sweet summit
Its not ideal
urban portal
Instead of intervene ranged, walk back, revenge, leap out, charge back
sweet summit
Do u have like 0 melee in ur group?
urban portal
Assume 0 melees
If I do have melees I just intervene melee, revenge, leap out, charge back?
jagged pier
Its a waste of the revengj proc to do that
If i get full range groups i always ask someone ti stabd close to melee
Makes things a lot smoother
tropic linden
You mean damage reduction?
Yeah, srry
fierce field
I usually asked my healer to get close to me
Just be careful with this tactic, last time I tried it she moved in with me
tropic linden
Playing reprisal is just a lot more planning to don't waste charge stacks while not moving the packs too much and not charging through the pack. But definitely rewarding when u get it right
strong forum
Just be careful with this tactic, last time I tried it she moved in with me
Sounds like a sweet deal
steady slate
@fierce field lol
fierce field
it is, until you start pulling when she doesn't have mana and she hits you 😄
steady slate
the group i run with usually has a demon hunter, so i just intervene her.
fierce field
yeah, i like to make my rogue pucker by quick turning cleaving mobs in his face 😄
steady slate
yeah, i think i killed her at least once doing that.
i'm pretty sure that i intervened her and turned the mauraders in NW in her direction and she just melted.
fierce field
bwahaha... need to make sure those dps know their place 😄
sweet summit
Yeah, srry
in m+ it would be 39,857912787849093581577658010779% dr
sweet summit
in hc raid it would be 36,38193202146690518783542039356% dr
in mythic raid it would be 34,787256788539662176608937353004% dr
fierce field
seems reasonable.. but it's way too early for me to maths
tropic linden
in m+ it would be 39,857912787849093581577658010779% dr <:peepostudy:61725955453...
Thanks!
sweet summit
and crit block is twice that amount
toxic wadi
With devastator, I feel like there is a lot of downtime. Anyone else experiencing that?
sweet summit
yeah thats normal
toxic wadi
Ok
fierce field
i hardly notice any downtime anymore even with devastator
toxic wadi
Also, I find that getting aggro at the beginning of large pack pulls is challenging because some eager dps like to go all in immediately. What should I do then? Thunder clap?
fierce field
lots of revenge
sweet summit
also covenant ability, spear/aa
toxic wadi
So don't use Taunt?
ionic fern
in m+ it would be 39,857912787849093581577658010779% dr <:peepostudy:61725955453...
Just give them the formula. 😦
sweet summit
no i want to look smart :v)
strong forum
So don't use Taunt?
Taunt only hits 1 target, ofc you use taunt
fierce field
You can use revenge without waiting for the proc (that was a mistake I was making early on)
toxic wadi
That's only if you don't need the rage for mitigation right
fierce field
well, you should have some SB up from reprisal, and if you're not holding threat, you don't need the rage for mitigation
sweet summit
with reprisal you get 4 sec of SB yeah, a free revenge and 20 extra rage from charge
so you can do both
toxic wadi
Cool
toxic wadi
Wow, looks the reprisal is literally made for mythic+.
sweet summit
yeah feel like it was made to fill the gaps for us lol
strong forum
Literally the bandaid fix
sweet summit
🩹
toxic wadi
That basically answers my question about aggro on pull
strong forum
Instead of fixing the class you just slap on this bandaid and call it Design
tropic linden
Just give them the formula. 😦
w8, there is a formula? 😦
sweet summit
Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0
Formula to calculate damage reduction from block
Block / (Block + K)
Crit block is twice the amount of a normal block, but can not exceed 85% damage reduction
inland raft
10.0 balancing is going to be anima powers that class devs have to open and then choose from rng powers to determine direction class goes
tropic linden
Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0...
My hero 
sweet summit
toxic wadi
How do you guys track active shield block? Weak aura?
lime urchin
good ole TMW is still alive?!
modern brook
Also, I find that getting aggro at the beginning of large pack pulls is challeng...
you should never be in a pull where your dps have cds and you dont
sweet summit
tmw is such a boomer addon cba
signal plover
I just wear a track suit. Haven't had issues.
blazing condor
TMW is great because its easy asf to set shit up
sweet summit
blazing condor
tell me when
signal plover
I'm always tracking
sweet summit
tell me when
inland raft
Yup i have standard auras for all classes i play
blazing condor
easy to customise as well
modern brook
boomer weakaura
blazing condor
but WAs usually work better
strong forum
Tell you what
sweet summit
when
blazing condor
aint nothing but a heartache
signal plover
TELLL MEE WAAIIII
jagged pier
Tune
undone verge
Ain’t nothing but a mistake
steady slate
weakauras aren't too bad to set up if you want to keep it simple. you can dive down that rabbit hole pretty quickly to do more complex things.
strong forum
Getting into WA was fun ngl
Not the custom code stuff, but the rest is pretty fun to work with
pearl pike
I started tanking keys a couple weeks ago. I see that Prot seems to have some issues with this upcoming week. Anything special I should do for Bursting or am I just left to the mercy of my healer?
sick sentinel
In bursting dps killing themselves with stacks is more likely a problem 😄
steady slate
just pull bigger. it'll be fine.
keep your point and laugh macro handy for when the dps kill themselves
fierce field
point and laugh? not gloat?
undone verge
What’s the other affix, bursting and ...
fierce field
volcanic?
river spade
if terms of SoB vs AA, it just boil to what u prefer or there is a cutting edge for SoB?
toxic wadi
Is it normal for tanking to feel hectic?
It feels like being on the edge constantly, like on your toes
undone verge
It feels like being on the edge constantly, like on your toes
What levels of keys and raids?
toxic wadi
I'm new to tanking, so single digit keys
strong forum
In the beginning, sure, once you get used to it it'll be more natural and less hectic
toxic wadi
But I dont think it's the key level, just the nature of tanking
strong forum
It's a steady progress, but much more stressful than dps'ing for a while
undone verge
But I dont think it's the key level, just the nature of tanking
Tanking is either hectic or satisfying, if I get into a nice rotation it feels great, but if you don’t have a pretty solid idea of what to do when, it’s pretty hectic
For example the first 2 packs in dos are super hectic if you don’t know what cool downs you wanna assign to each pack, it can feel very crazy and make the pack seem hectic
toxic wadi
Right
undone verge
Tanking isn’t really about trying to optimize your dps, at least not till higher content, it’s more about trying to create a nice flow through the dungeon. So it all comes with experience. Get a good route for each dungeon and stick too it. Eventually you’ll learn place you feel the pack was too easy, and you can start pulling packs together, or if you are struggling with a pack, you can allocate a cool down for it
flint tiger
How do you guys track active shield block? Weak aura?
I'm a monster and I look at my buffs bar on my personal unit frame
inland raft
I also just use spell book and press abilities because why else does it exist?
flint tiger
and for when I play arms and need to track debuffs like rend/CS, I use the debuffs bar on my target frame
Though to be fair, I am using elvui for a sexier look and not just plain stock. I'm not that savage
iron forum
I also just use spell book and press abilities because why else does it exist?
I just type /cast (spell name) like a real gamer
Gotta get that wpm count up
flint tiger
could you imagine
having to type /commands for all actions we need to do in game
while in combat
might be able to get the world to type faster alone
with that one change
flint tiger
but in seriousness, I used to use weakauras, but then got sick of having a zillion of them. for buff/debuff tracking I do use just the buff/debuff frames on the player/target frames
toxic wadi
and for when I play arms and need to track debuffs like rend/CS, I use the debuf...
That's what I do
flint tiger
I mainly set it up that way so I can actually play alts without spending 2 hours on weakauras
lol
I realized I always spent forever just basically re-making actionbar buttons in the center of my screen with the resource bars nearby and debuffs/buffs tracked
toxic wadi
I'm a programmer so it comes naturally
toxic wadi
Most UIs I've seen are overkill. My UI is minimalist.
signal plover
Different people can play using different things
But like
Target debuff tracking using default frames
flint tiger
I think the wackiest UI i've ever seen is the boomkin in Limit's guild
toxic wadi
I'm sure they can, but optimization is not subjective
flint tiger
when the raid leader did a review on random UIs
toxic wadi
Target debuff tracking using default frames
Not even default frames. I track debuff on enemy nameplate
flint tiger
/wave
wooden kelp
what do i get? im torn. the trinket would replace darkmoon deck
flint tiger
get the weapon, viscera blows
imo, but i'll defer to other experts
i have a 226 ilvl viscera, so just talking from experience
wooden kelp
because trinkets are also hard to come by and would be a 20 ilvl upgrade (with valor)
wooden kelp
its not voracity
signal plover
Weapon is huge
flint tiger
time to buy voracity
wooden kelp
i had no gold to buy voracity
wooden kelp
its like 10x the price and was a new toon new realm
strong forum
Weapon and shield is the single highest prio
signal plover
Other than mythic shoulder mog
strong forum
Trinkets are w/e besides maybe scale, Phial and anime emitter
And yeah mythic shoulder mog > everything
flint tiger
what if we go shoulderless mog for the barbarian look
wooden kelp
i got scale on my first M0 DOS on this toon
strong forum
Then cancel your sub
wooden kelp
after farming whole 9.0 on my bear
strong forum
Okay time to make this discord mad
iron forum
Okay time to make this discord mad
signal plover
Okay time to make this discord mad
strong forum
I did 9 DoS in all of SL.
Got a 184 scale in m0 DoS week2, then 200 scale in first m+ DoS, then 210 scale the day before 9.0.5 then 210 scale in the first DoS in 9.0.5
flint tiger
can we kick this guy?
i still haven't gotten any scale trinket
or the sun king trinket
but are lies and myths to me
signal plover
910 SCALE?!?
iron forum
It took me 71 DoS clears to get scale
jagged pier
Imagine actually farming for scale KEKW
steady slate
i got a scale from a m2 that i've been slowly upgrading with valor. it's at 203 now
strong forum
Shoulders
jagged pier
Shoulder @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
yeah i figured too
signal plover
Ya
sick sentinel
huge ilvl
iron forum
I never farmed for it I'm not that degen, I just do a lot of m+, like 20+ keys most weeks
strong forum
Bro that's almost more keys than I've done all SL
I did 77 keys total, the 3 depletes don't count
iron forum
Bro that's almost more keys than I've done all SL
Someone's got to pad those warrior representation numbers
sick sentinel
at the end of 8.3 i was running like upwards of 3+ 15's a night
like if i needed to farm the currency for corruption enchants
strong forum
Someone's got to pad those warrior representation numbers
I'm sorry for you
iron forum
It was strange this week not getting 3 vault options from m+ for the first time all of SL because we have been playing on tournament realm instead
I felt a little.poece of my inner m+degen die
blazing condor
i did 20 DoS in 4 days to get my scale once 9.0.5 hit 🤡
steady slate
ugh. my weekly box is such trash. my best option is a 226 Trailrunner's Pendant to replace my 200 Sinful Gladiator's Necklace. Next choice is a 220 Gorestained Cleaver to replace my 213 Gorestained Cleaver.
signal plover
I mean they're both upgrades so is it rly trash?
steady slate
well, on the neck i'm giving up haste and a lot of versatility to get crit and a lot of mastery. that doesn't seem great.
signal plover
Not ideal, especially if u plan to upgrade the pvp one
steady slate
i should, but i'd have to drag myself into bgs to get the honor
blazing condor
one man's trash
steady slate
is mastery really that bad for us? i remember seeing it ranked last on stat priorities
blazing condor
dot dot dot
Mastery is honestly good, especially with high block uptime
all our secondaries are very close to eachother
more stats > "best stats"
steady slate
the weapon at least is a straight up upgrade, since it's the same one
blazing condor
if you gain 200 crit but lose 50 haste and 50 vers its honestly an upgrade
steady slate
in this case i'm gaining 80 crit and 135 mastery and giving up 40 haste and 134 versatility. also gaining 23 stamina
screw it. 26 item levels is 26 item levels.
jagged pier
More stats > less better stats
thin nexus
as reprisal/nf whats the minimum amount of haste i want? can i get away with 20%?
steady slate
so with the new necklace, i'm at 17% crit, 14% haste, 35% mastery, and 8% versatility
jagged pier
Rmstats dont matter unless u have 2 armour pieces the same ilvl
If u arent max gear its doesnt matter
fickle scaffold
hey is ilvl more important on proc or haste is more valuable
fickle scaffold
really why is that?
jagged pier
Because main stats is by far the best stat
fickle scaffold
oh due to stamina armor and strength
jagged pier
There is no x% of a stat where you start going for another stat
If u want a % to aim for u want 39% haste unbuffed with your HIGHEST ilvl armour pieces equiped
Rings neck and trinket dont aply here that prefernce
steady slate
that's a different mindset than i'm used to.
jagged pier
Its the mind set u should be in
fickle scaffold
makes alot of sense
steady slate
i'm old. it takes me some time to get used to new ideas.
jagged pier
What new ideas this is generally been the case for a while
thin nexus
If u want a % to aim for u want 39% haste unbuffed with your HIGHEST ilvl armour...
so, with this in mind, would it be better to equip a 226 helm with stats i already have 'high' (like over 30% master), or a 220 helm that give me 3% each in my two lowest secondaries?
jagged pier
Case in point for all the ppl that think h need vers
steady slate
like i said, it takes me a bit
jagged pier
so, with this in mind, would it be better to equip a 226 helm with stats i alrea...
Its 6 ilvls on a high budget armour piece its an upgrade
thin nexus
thank you!
fickle scaffold
what happens if i bring to much of my vers down doesn't matter due to my ilvl is more value than my verse correct?
jagged pier
Stats mean very little like stats contribute to like 1% of your surviability
Your own play about 95%
4% your group
Like if u think u need x amount of vers to live a key, im sorry your wrkng andnu need to play better most likely
As insaid nerf did 25s in 9% vers
And like 210ilvl or somthing
fickle scaffold
makes sense now
jagged pier
Stats make very very little difference
If u have 2 226 pieces u take the one with the stats u like i.e which one has the most haste
undone oriole
sweet summit
weapon
polar radish
What's the point of saying "just play better" to a question about gear? You can play better and you can gear better... they aren't mutually exclusive
fickle scaffold
i say finger but at this point weapon is hard to get
jagged pier
What's the point of saying "just play better" to a question about gear? You can ...
Because 99% of the time they ask how much vers they need to do x lvl of key which is pretty irrelavent compared to then play correctly in the key
flint tiger
lmao blizzard straight up trolling me with the cache once again
already have the belt (vendored 3 to date), bracers, and 2x the weapon
polar radish
Ah, fair
sweet summit
huge ring tho
flint tiger
the only thing to slightly save the cache
i already had a 220 version of it
2x of them
all i want is a damn trinket
the stoic belt has been there 2 weeks in a row, and it keeps dropping off sun king when i kill him for the trinket lmao
sweet summit
need higher fishing
blazing condor
hmmm okay thank you i will do that
jagged pier
Fletching looks a bit low tbh
blazing condor
Honestly a low fletch-to-firemaking level is kind of sussy
just do wintertodt lmao
flint tiger
do we consider the anima emitter more a defensive trinket cause haste helps increase SB uptime, or is it also offensive too?
elfin nova
This week I have to call it that I'm getting helm tomorrow
blazing condor
do we consider the anima emitter more a defensive trinket cause haste helps incr...
its both
elfin nova
worked last time
blazing condor
haste = lower GCD = more SB / more damage
flint tiger
wonder what it's damage difference is between my 226 decanter of anima-charged winds trinket
sweet summit
blazing condor
sim 
flint tiger
it's in the process haha
but what i can't quite measure
is how much "defensive" value the haste gives lmao
blazing condor
its math - it aint gotta explain shit
sweet summit
at least 4
blazing condor
sweet summit
trust
elfin nova
"some"
blazing condor
source: trust me bro
sweet summit
i gotchu
sweet summit
decanter is hardcapped at 5 so that makes sense
flint tiger
but at the 5 target cap it was only like 17 dps higher. expected it to be a bit further ahead
i'm getting the best of both worlds, yay
sweet summit
tame jasper
WTF 😮 I'm happy when I'm over 3k 😦 How do you get 8k DPS as a prot :eek:
strong forum
As prot you should aim to do around 4-5k dps
That's the sweetspot
Any more is close to padding or mists
iron forum
WTF 😮 I'm happy when I'm over 3k 😦 How do you get 8k DPS as a prot :eek:
lol yeah i meant as dps, im a fury main in keys
tame jasper
lol yeah i meant as dps, im a fury main in keys
oh thought I was in the protection channel 😄
steady slate
@signal plover i thought this was a safe space
ashen lark
Hello guys, I've been playing human prot warrior for a few expansions, I want to start over and move to horde, I want to focus on raid tanking and do pvp (not wanna get glad 1800 would be my goal). What race you recommend ? does race matter?
ashen lark
For pve it doesnt matter
thx
rapid robin
Venthyr to Necro as prot, worth it?
chilly brook
No lmao
rapid robin
For mythic+
strong forum
Venthyr to necro is like going from worse to bad
Ultimately its not a huge deal, but it's not gonna benefit you as much as going kyrian/nf
honest wedge
yo i just got scale from weekly, is it okay to macro to avatar?
past grove
Personally macro'd it with my maghar racial as they both have 2min cd. (Racial then trinket)
chilly brook
Why would you macro scale....
Scale isn't a dps trinket
You don't run it just to do more damage
jagged pier
why would u macro scale with dps cds??
chilly brook
^^^^
Literally makes no sense
You use scale defensively
That's the whole point of it
jagged pier
its a separate defensive cd it should be its own keybind
chilly brook
^^^^^
If you just wanna use something on CD for more damage there are better trinkets
Like crystal
tame jasper
As prot you should aim to do around 4-5k dps
Puh, any tips on how to improve? Let's say take this run as a base (which is high dps for me atm) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxgMFmyD9XZA4wnJ#fight=last
(and yeah I know the amount of blocked hits is too low. I'm trying to improve it))
modern brook
u look like u played perfect to me
past grove
420revenj
jagged pier
lets get thoughs blocked hits up first yer
before we care about dps
your running bolster and Rep
u should be near 100% blocked hits
your at 70%
tame jasper
Yep and I'm totally not
jagged pier
u will be doing less dps as u arent using AM
your casts seem fine
could intervene a lot more
that will give you more damage
if u use the proc
tame jasper
ofc one thing I'm tyring to improve. same with charges (meaning "infight charges")
not the "pull-charges"
strong forum
Cpm are a smidgeon too low
jagged pier
i mean u should need to care about it even less playing bolster tbh
strong forum
Should be around 56/57 cpm, especially with 800 haste
Could squeeze in a few more shield slams, which translates into more revenj aswell
But yeh, not playing AM is obv hurting your dps
Huh I actually had close to 65cpm in my last SD run
tropic linden
There is a way to know in the logs if i'm getting hit on the back?
tame jasper
Should be around 56/57 cpm, especially with 800 haste
Which spell are you speaking about?
strong forum
All of em combined
tame jasper
k
tame jasper
How much rage did you generated?=
signal plover
You (nom)prolly ran AM so more avatar
signal plover
That's a lotta chedda
strong forum
You did 14220 I did 16330
My run was 3min shorter than yours
So yah, gotta press more buttons
Maybe you kited alot, but our active time is the same
tame jasper
I thinks its more the combination of more avatar and more reprisal proccs
strong forum
You're not using ravager often enough
Mine
Yours
You also need to execute harder 
tame jasper
I dont execute at all atm -_-
modern brook
There is a way to know in the logs if i'm getting hit on the back?
You'll know in game if you're getting hit in the back
tame jasper
where is Execute in the prio queue?
stark sage
strong forum
where is Execute in the prio queue?
But yeah, those 12 ravager casts difference alone is a huge source of rage and dmg
Need to start working on that, rest seems fine
And as Jakey said, block uptime is too low for the talents that you're playing
tame jasper
I quite surprises about the "misses" of ravanger, would felt I just it almost on CD
Yeah talked with him about that some the week befor the last
modern brook
thats half :^)
strong forum
I mean natural downtime and holding it for the next pack if the current is dead and so on
steady slate
what happened to the logs channel? i don't see it anymore
tame jasper
M yproblem atm is not the "what to improve" (obvs. blocked hit) but the "how" or be more specific how to i get myself to procude more reprisal proccs
modern brook
what happened to the logs channel? i don't see it anymore
you took your glasses off
chilly brook
M yproblem atm is not the "what to improve" (obvs. blocked hit) but the "how" or...
Focus on one thing at a time
tame jasper
what happened to the logs channel? i don't see it anymore
Sry I missed that. Would have posted my question there otherwise. sry
chilly brook
It's the small stuff
strong forum
M yproblem atm is not the "what to improve" (obvs. blocked hit) but the "how" or...
Keep the CD of intervene, charge and SB rolling at all times, and just press away idk
Yeah it's the small stuff as griff said
It all adds up
modern brook
M yproblem atm is not the "what to improve" (obvs. blocked hit) but the "how" or...
the how is easy you just press the buttons more
chilly brook
Dont let shield slam stay off cd
steady slate
modern brook
click this
signal plover
@steady slate you prolly muted it
steady slate
that's what i see
chilly brook
Don't let ravager stay off CD
strong forum
Press that small arrow next to general discussion
chilly brook
Etc.
steady slate
ok. i see it now. thanks. i didn't know that could happen
strong forum
signal plover
When u mute channels they're hidden when the category is collapsed
modern brook
nah they get hidden like that if theres nothing new in it
chilly brook
Focus on the small things so one run make sure you're trying to get as many shield slams as possible, then once you've got that start focusing on not missing ravager casts, then focus on intervene casts and the list goes on @tame jasper
signal plover
O ya
sick sentinel
the only thing i won't miss about BFA was anxiety of if TD proc was going to pull tornadoe bullshit and pull extra mobs
chilly brook
Record your gameplay too if you're trying to learn
modern brook
^
chilly brook
Watching it back you can catch a lot of mistakes or things you sat on that you shouldn't have
tame jasper
Record your gameplay too if you're trying to learn
Was thinking about that too, now that I have a more powerful PC
steady slate
or you could just stream it to twitch and let them record for you
tame jasper
Don't have the upload for streaming I think
strong forum
Those are the 2 options
chilly brook
Shadowplay/AMD ReLive are both super low resource cost
modern brook
I hate streaming
steady slate
yeah, if you're at a bad upload speed then that could be a problem. i've heard shadowplay is good. i've used relive and didn't care for it. these days if i want to record i just use obs
tame jasper
AMD should align with my AMD system
chilly brook
So I'd recommend recording over streaming
OBS is good but obtuse if you're not familiar with recording software and actually setting up for recording
steady slate
i agree @modern brook. i'm not engaging, witty, or particularly appealing physically, so there's zero incentive for me to put a camera in front of my face and try to convince people to watch me play a video game.
jagged pier
u can stream without a camera
ionic fern
You can just ping me and stream for me on Discord and i'll yell at you for things you're doing wrong.
steady slate
yeah, i know. i'd have to add a chat blocker, which would be easy enough to do if i wasn't extraordinarily lazy
chilly brook
You can just ping me and stream for me on Discord and i'll yell at you for thing...
Can I just ping you so I can have you say hi to me?
modern brook
You can just ping me and stream for me on Discord and i'll yell at you for thing...
POG REALLY
chilly brook
ionic fern
Can I just ping you so I can have you say hi to me?
Hello.
tame jasper
You can just ping me and stream for me on Discord and i'll yell at you for thing...
I would really like to come back to this offer in the upcoming days
ionic fern
what are u doing tonightg mwahi
Nothing. 👀
Yelling at you?
strong forum
i agree <@!204081428869283843>. i'm not engaging, witty, or particularly appeal...
Woah...
modern brook
pog :^)
strong forum
Streaming can be fun
modern brook
Streaming can be fun
said the hot norweigan guy with a toxic team
strong forum
Hah, Norwegian guy is erga but egirl
ionic fern
Erga is a egirl?
strong forum
Many time
modern brook
E-RgirlGAmer
steady slate
btw @ionic fern thanks for the help yesterday. i ran a 14 halls and did much better. still much to improve on, but it just felt better overall.
ionic fern
Glad to hear. .:)
steady slate
then i tried a 15 NW and it went to hell pretty quickly. turns out that the dps should actually do damage to get through a 15.
strong forum
It's moreso NW specifically
ionic fern
btw <@238357283996696576> thanks for the help yesterday. i ran a 14 halls and d...
Your damage brakedown is a lot better but you're effective block up-time is still kinda..poor. 👀
strong forum
That dungeon gets bricked real easy
brittle owl
NW is very gimmicky
tame jasper
you say it, a hunter destroyed the NW 18 key on 3rd boss with fu** up the grab downs
steady slate
i was really working to keep shield block up, trying not to double tap and using intervene to cover gaps. i thought i did better.
strong forum
If you don't kill 2nd and 3rd boss insanely quickly and basically 1 or 2 phase, it gets very hairy
steady slate
i'll have more opportunities this week
iron forum
If you don't kill 2nd and 3rd boss insanely quickly and basically 1 or 2 phase, ...
yeah its dumb. On tourny realm for us literally what determined if we killed that boss or wiped on it was just "did the spear crit"
if the spear crit, we killed i tbefore third add phase. if it didnt, we got third add phase and wiped
strong forum
The difference between a 500k and a 1mil spear is quite staggering ya
iron forum
the weapons are just way too impactful, and the rng on them critting is miserable to play with
iron forum
i actually enjoy the dungeon itself, just wish spears in particular werent as important
tame jasper
I like it too. But the dungeon I like most atm is ToP
modern brook
Just make them 100% crit
:peperogue:
NW was fun when i was allowed to have fun on it
but then i wasnt 😠
rip for ever 8x pack pull MA orbs 😦
gleaming oracle
evening guys! First I wanted to say thank you to everyone here that always helps out!! Im loving my brand new warrior and starting to time 17-18 keys atm:)..now I have a question for trinkets in m+ : would you pick 220 phial or 226 decanters?
modern brook
phial
both are str stat sticks and only taken for damage
so if u want a non-feely answer just sim it
but phials just really good
and decanter can be finnicky to use
gleaming oracle
cheers 🙂
solemn magnet
you say it, a hunter destroyed the NW 18 key on 3rd boss with fu** up the grab d...
How long ago was this?? That could've been me xD
sweet summit
👀
blazing condor
All the new leggos for us have been revealed right?
sweet summit
not the kyrian one
blazing condor
o okay
i know that soul ash wont really be needed after rank 4 - but will they still matter for new leggos then? til rank 4
contemplating making seismic or not
sweet summit
yeah you still need soul ash for ranks 1-4
blazing condor
makes sense
wouldnt really wanna refarm 5k soul ash
but seismic needs to be made anyway
hmm
sweet summit
do it
sweet summit
boost me in torghast i still havent done it this week :/
jagged pier
45k is gambling money
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bAk8hGg9njdFMWYt/#fight=last&type=healing could anyone see through those logs and tell me if the warry is doing all right or not? healer said that the warry needs way more healing than other tanks, not sure if its the healers fault or the tanks
sweet summit
the wall 
on back
sick sentinel
so wrong legy makes that much of a difference?
jagged pier
i mean yes
dusky canopy
Anyone run Seismic + ITF + HR regularly?
sweet summit
but reprisal is a lot better
sick sentinel
i am not a tank just asking for him
sweet summit
generally run bolster with the wall
jagged pier
Anyone run Seismic + ITF + HR regularly?
u would never do that
tame jasper
How long ago was this?? That could've been me xD
Yesterday 10:33. if your hunters name is Pullout
strong forum
thats a meme build if ive ever seen one
jagged pier
the leggo does make a big difference
dusky canopy
Lmao
jagged pier
so basically with the wall u loose a lot of block
which is kind of what u want
which is why u should run bolster in a key in riad u can get away with AM
lets just ignore the blocked hits and stuff for now
so u are AM and the wall
so u get SW back about ever 1min
your dungoen was nearly 40 mins long
and u cast SW 7 times
yes there were gaps etc etc
but u could have cast it like a lot more time
wow
ive just noticed your CPM
thats low
strong forum
with am + wall SW CD is roughly 1min CD, so not using a 1min CD more than 7 times in a 40min dungeons thats quite something
jagged pier
u should be getting like double the casts of SS a min
jagged pier
actually like double of all of your casts per minute
blazing condor
supa kiter
dusky canopy
@jagged pier why do I see some using itf+hr ?
jagged pier
why would u be kiting in a 15 HoA
blazing condor
bleeds idk
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> why do I see some using itf+hr ?
yes but they will be running rep with that as if gives u 100% effecitve block
jagged pier
bleeds idk
its a 15
strong forum
<@179993058186625025> why do I see some using itf+hr ?
ITF+HR is max turtle build, only if you play reprisal though
if you dont play reprisal, it wont work
jagged pier
the build ITF+HR literally only works with reprisal
strong forum
with reprisal you get alot of instances and high uptime on SB to get value out of the extension from it
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
without reprisal you dont have enoguh natural uptime to benefit off of HR
fallow jasper
CPM is cooldowns per minute, correct?
iron forum
<@179993058186625025> why do I see some using itf+hr ?
HR for dungeons where you arent kiting much and are facetanking the whole thing, i havent seen a compelling reason to run iftk over ravager though
strong forum
CPM is cooldowns per minute, correct?
casts per minute
jagged pier
CPM is cooldowns per minute, correct?
casts per minute
strong forum
27 casts per minute is NOTHING
amber herald
I think plka said to play ravager with HR still
jagged pier
u can
but
its screws with prio a bit
and u can waste rage
because when rav is down u want to prio anything that isnt SS
cause u want to get rid of the rage
strong forum
ITF is a subsitute for the lack of haste andy has, im pretty sure
jagged pier
with HR u prio SS
strong forum
he only has like 15% haste
jagged pier
so u can end up wasting rage
amber herald
I can't remember exactly but it's for threat reasons
strong forum
ravager is great threat yes
jagged pier
yer u loose threat with ITF HR as well
amber herald
threat without threat
strong forum
rav is alot of free threat thats basically up for every single pull
when with ITF you only rely on revenge and, excuse me for uttering this word, TC
amber herald
spits
ionic fern
Hello?`Whirlwind?!?!
jagged pier
ionic fern
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bAk8hGg9njdFMWYt/#fight=last&type=healing c...
so the main takeaway is, this warrior presses not even half the amount of buttons he should press, hes running an infavourable talent / legendary setup
in an 40 minute dungeon
he used a 45sec CD main rotational button only 9 times
he used a 1min CD main rotational button only 18 times
he used last stand 5 times only 9 times
charge only 5 times ???
what in the fuck
yeah, he just doesnt press ANYTHING
legit
sick sentinel
@jagged pier thx for the tipps, i am as i said not the warry, it was a friend who always said "uh my randoms groups suck" and i told him to get into some keys with me so he can push rio and i was screaming like hell bc i wasnt able to keep up the healing. i mean, i am a bad healer, i am usually dps, but holy fuck other tanks need half the healing he does but i have no clue how to play warry so i wanted to ask here
strong forum
my guess is, he doesnt actively look at what hes doing
jagged pier
^^
modern brook
27 cpm 😬
strong forum
guaranTEED
jagged pier
i mean u can kind of tell he ither doesnt no what hes doing or somthing like that
strong forum
100% not looking what hes pressing
sick sentinel
yeah thats what i realised instantly
sick sentinel
with other prot warrys i was sure that they wont need healing in some situations and then suddenly he drops to 10% life and i was like "what the hell"
sick sentinel
just wanted to make sure its not me before i start to flame him
modern brook
flame him anyways
sick sentinel
as i posted above those:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bAk8hGg9njdFMWYt#fight=last&type=healing
strong forum
distant crystal
ohhh
strong forum
look at this
distant crystal
flame me for not scrolling up
jagged pier
strong forum
solid 14seconds
strong forum
jagged pier
blazing condor
chad
strong forum
2.5seconds of nothing after shockwave
iron forum
was he kiting there?
strong forum
bro it goes like that literally everywhere
iron forum
could have shockwaved and ran out of the pack
iron forum
sick sentinel
we told him to hold of with shockwave until enemys are in 30% hp range
to counter raging
modern brook
he has to be kiting
hes not
sick sentinel
he wasnt kiting much though, like a few times when i told him i have no cds up then he started to kite
strong forum
presses TC, then another 5 seconds of nothing
modern brook
at 1:49 (109seconds)
modern brook
Yah
blazing condor
200iq plays tho
strong forum
maybe hes panicking
modern brook
maybe he's clicking
strong forum
na he isnt clicking i dont think so
strong forum
sick sentinel
he is mad at me now
bc i told him he sucks and that a whole class discord is making fun of him
strong forum
we're not making fun of him
strong forum
we're just pointing out what hes doing wrong
this is a place to learn and get better, not made fun of
modern brook
All joshing is in good fun
round mortar
i am not mad at all @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
i copy pasted him some of your comments and well either he seeks the help he needs himself or he will stay at his lvl
round mortar
i was walking my doog
sick sentinel
ah well that might be why he didnt answer
so yeah, just help my friend @round mortar here pls
modern brook
press buttons more :^)
sick sentinel
so i can keep doing keys with him without screaming bc i cant heal him
strong forum
ya gotta really look at what youre going, im certain youre not looking at what buttons youre pressing
27 casts per minute is way below what should be going on
50 is casts per minute is already on the low end
60+ is the pumper region
modern brook
related: 40% block is very low
strong forum
it all ties together
low rage gen = low cd usage = low block uptime = low dmg output = high enemy hp
modern brook
^
strong forum
basically, do everything you already did, but twice as often and youre gucci, its literally that
all of these casts are half or less than half of what they should be
modern brook
on a macro level: The wall is usable, it being on the back is pretty 
and you can take the right side of pelagos to get phial of paitence, its much better than show of force.
strong forum
the thing thats used an appropriate amount is Avatar, so you got that going
modern brook
and not to beat a dead horse: you're running wall and AM and used sw 7 times ina 30minute key
Its like a 45 second cd at that point
strong forum
well with that rage gen and SS casts its moreso going to be around 2minutes :x
strong forum
but as bull said, youre playing an unfavourable combination of talents + lego
modern brook
if you're using the wall and not using wall on cd its a wasted leggo tbh
strong forum
with the wall you wanna play Bolster and not AM
to get the block uptime going
with wall alone you can get SW cd as low as 1.5min if youre pumping
strong forum
Bolster instead of Anger Management
strong forum
Wall is perfectly fine to play, but yeah, gotta actuallly use SW more often
this might be alot input for now
so i recommend just sticking around and passively take snippets of info flying around in here
modern brook
😬
strong forum
for now just focus more on what buttons youre pressing
and you should see an improvement in damage and survivability
sounds good? @round mortar
jagged pier
solemn magnet
Yesterday 10:33. if your hunters name is Pullout
Whew. Not me, but you know, shit happens :(
flint tiger
Boy the CPM metric is an interesting one I didn't think about before. Some pulls I'm apparently high and some I'm very low
strong forum
some pulls i had 18cpm of SS
📈
can prolly find even higher SS casts if i choose the correct time frames
and be really cheesy about it
i think i once had SW down to 1min CD with Wall alone, without AM
was crazy fast
blazing condor
talk to me when you can have 100% uptime on SW
blazing condor
signal plover
I feel like SS is prolly one of the most missed button presses on pwarr. I had to make my Way for resets GIGA obvious and I still clip procs/GCDs
I'm too much of a mango
modern brook
some pulls i had 18cpm of SS
If you take a time frame of 2 globals where you get some reset during the global cd pog #s tbh
blazing condor
too busy doing revenj
strong forum
What helped me aswell is reduce the spellqueue window
400ms is too long for the spellQ to snipe SS casts
I reduced it to 150ms
blazing condor
you can change that?
strong forum
Yuh console
blazing condor
im guessing youre meaning the "pre-casts" you can do by clicking the button during gcd?
strong forum
Basically your ping + 100ms is generally a good starting place
distant crystal
400ms is a good starting place
Nome is trying to break y'alls wow with this sqw witchcraft!
strong forum
400ms works, but it helped me snipe SS casts better
Cuz I noticed in bfa that the revenge cast wen through when I actually wanted the SS to go off cuz revenge was a sorry excuse of a button in bfa
So I found out about that spellq window
But you need to press your buttons much faster per second to not lose milliseconds
strong forum
With a 400ms window you won't miss a global along as you press like 2.3times per second
With a 150ms window you need to press like 7 times per second to not miss a global
lusty grotto
unless you're <@!131897531251556352>
EXCUSE ME
wew its been a while
stewart is in hibernation guys
also WoW has been dead for me for a few weeks
im playing this mmo that is basically weebo land, and i hate it
cause remember i was the anime japanese cartoon hater in here
at least it has shit to do and very few recolored mounts
god i hate myself
signal plover
strong forum
I'm with you nim
lusty grotto
nice to see youre still around paw
strong forum
But replace Japanese with new zealand
signal plover
I've actually been playing FFXIV a bunch lol
lusty grotto
we need you to keep these fuckers in check with the off topic
LOL
well im in hyperion paw
BLM main
signal plover
Urmom
lusty grotto
fuckme
lusty grotto
warrior is my babby alt
signal plover
Still progging M sire tho lol
lusty grotto
But replace Japanese with new zealand
signal plover
My warr on FF is only like 53. Casual Gamez
lusty grotto
modern brook
I'm glad that I can still ping you after 18 months of not playing with you :)
sick sentinel
I'm looking for an wa group that I see a lot of tanks use. It's a large icon of the tank debuff stacks that your other tank has. Anyone have a clue?
chilly brook
@lusty grotto IS ALIVE?!?!
sick sentinel
probably that one?
Wonderful! Thanks.
chilly brook
Still progging M sire tho lol
F, I start sire prog tonight
sweet summit
chilly brook
