protection

[strong forum]

Then the other war played the wrong talents

[cold parcel]

I run twisting corridor talents 😭

[strong forum]

I have like... 69k? HP

[cold parcel]

Too lazy to look up m+ talents

[grand drum]

He might be fury? Lol

[jagged pier]

i have 69k at 227

[cold parcel]

I got 57k on ilvl 206

[strong forum]

Ye then that's the hp you should have

[jagged pier]

sounds about right

[strong forum]

Indom is the only thing that influences hp besides ilvl

And you should be running indom

[cold parcel]

Also im venthyr cuz pvp

[strong forum]

Sure

[cold parcel]

i run those

[strong forum]

Yes that's standard m+ build

[cold parcel]

those my stats

[jagged pier]

well depends on the leggo

[jagged pier]

ifu dont have rep u take bolster

[cold parcel]

still have fury leggo, might get the shield block charge one tho right?

[grand drum]

Yes

[cold parcel]

and might need tank trinkets too,

[jagged pier]

no

u dont

[strong forum]

Only tank trinket that's "interesting" is bloodscale

Rest is w/e

[grand drum]

Tank trinkets are overrated

[jagged pier]

and tbh i dont even use scale until like 19s and sire mythic prog

[strong forum]

I never used scale on prog besides council

[cold parcel]

oof well i need to try a +2 and a +5 and see if i still do well then could maybe go higher

i myself got a +9 spires

[strong forum]

With 205 you should be fine until 15s if you'd be comfortable with the spec

[cold parcel]

anyone got a video of prot warr tanking a 15+ as 200?

[strong forum]

And with a non-pepega group

[jagged pier]

not any with recent talents or leggo well there might be

Nomes are all from first patch

[cold parcel]

when i do things like torghast layer 8s with friends they always tell me im very confident with my class and i play tank really good

[jagged pier]

same with sense's

i mean torghast isnt really a good metric for that

[strong forum]

My +12 is without a leggo I think

[jagged pier]

u can do layer 8 at 138

[cold parcel]

Yall are sick. I can't even do twisting corridor layer 1 as 206 fury / arms. Floor 12 is a ghoul that attacks faster every 5 sec. Couldnt do it. And wasn't sure if prot can

[amber herald]

prots easier

[strong forum]

Tank has it the easiest in torghast

By like, quite a bit

[cold parcel]

But warr dont have lots self heals on boss. And dh friend is 211 and struggled as tank in layer 1-5

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

we just stop the damage

we dont need to heal

[strong forum]

Victory rush, inifite shieldwall, infinite Ignore pain, indom healing, infinite rage gain

And youre immortal

[jagged pier]

and im gunna be a bit tox sounds like your friend isnt that good if they are struggling in layer 1-5 with a dh

[strong forum]

My layer 7 floor 18 boss was a caster that hit for 500k dmg every 3 seconds

I had 250k hp

:)

[jagged pier]

yer but by then wouldnt u have like infinite Sw?

[strong forum]

Yes

So he hit me for half my hp every 3seconds

Reflect, stun, fear needed to be abused like a motherfucker

[jagged pier]

fuking Torghast so bad

snooze fest

[strong forum]

That's why layer 7 was harder layer 8

Layer 7 took me 1.25hrs

Layer 8 only 1hr

[jagged pier]

F

[strong forum]

That ghoul only attacks faster if you move

If you stop moving for 8 seconds, he loses his buff

[jagged pier]

thats true

but i cant stop ADing

[strong forum]

I noticed it when he had like 120 stacks

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

I'm gaming ok

[jagged pier]

on PoE yes

[strong forum]

Have to a&d and space bar

Constantly

Otherwise game too slow

[jagged pier]

i mean true like 90% of my progression on sire now is how many jumps i can fit in

[timber jasper]

Quick question. Heavy Repercussions over AM at Sludge? Recommended?

[sweet summit]

am

[jagged pier]

AM

[sweet summit]

you dont play HR in raid

ever

[jagged pier]

reprisal alone gives u the block u need

[timber jasper]

Alright. Thanks

[blazing condor]

100% effective uptime on sludge is poss with reprisal

go pump

[cold parcel]

damn it, well ima try tc layer 1 for the quest as prot

someone said as tank you have 69k health, how much do you have when you use rallying cry + last stand? 😄

[sweet summit]

no idea lmao

ill check

no buff

LS+Rally

[gleaming oracle]

guys im having a hard time! cant choose on tank for solo puglife since all friends have quit, im down to paladin or warrior, I understand that you are biased but please advice...m+15-20 range

[carmine prawn]

Warrior for me. The light is not protecting you as a paladin

[sweet summit]

what do you enjoy playing more?

[gleaming oracle]

thats the problem..I love them both XD only got time for 1 😦

[cold parcel]

thats high @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

yeah ive got decent ilvl gear lol

[sweet summit]

i dont know a lot about paladin, but i think they are better in the pug world you have loads of utility and shit

[chilly brook]

At the end of the day theres one thing about a class that draws you into it even if you enjoy them all theres usually something special about one of them. Like Erga said pally has a really good toolkit in the pug world but it also comes at the disadvantage of having to play better to get good results imo.

[strong forum]

roll 2
1- warrior
2- paladin

[chilly brook]

Apparently only time for 1

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

i mena literally

/roll 2

[gleaming oracle]

do you mean that paladin is tougher to get good results with due to them being more squishy?

[chilly brook]

I've been maintaining at least 2 tanks with minimal effort though tbh

[gleaming oracle]

ive managed to tank a 18++ with my warrior but that was with my friend healer backin me up

im kinda "scared" to roll warr full time since they have no heals XD do you guys feel like thats gimping you

[strong forum]

no?

[chilly brook]

No lol

My job isn't to heal

[amber herald]

literally never

[chilly brook]

It's to pump and make sure I'm not difficult to heal

[strong forum]

we're a tank

not a healer

[gleaming oracle]

true true

[strong forum]

we dont lose hp

why would we need heals

if you lose hp, someone from your group is making a mistake, you or your party members

simple as that

our design is to not lose HP fast

paladin is 50-50

[chilly brook]

Like even when I'm pumping my healers basically don't heal me as the main target outside of specific mechanics or pulls

[spark mortar]

So is it Reprisal or Seismic as the default M+ winner these days?

[hasty echo]

i am main tanking with a Monk… since seems that ww will be better in raid next patch i was thinking of reroll into a new tank… i was for the druid or the war… still finding some clue on what

[strong forum]

reprisal

[hasty echo]

any tips?

[sweet summit]

warrior brings rally

bear brings???

[strong forum]

warri brings shout and rally

[hasty echo]

thats the point 🙂

[sweet summit]

kinda just assume you run a dps warr

[strong forum]

whatever you prefer more

warri is just a better monk

[carmine prawn]

Bear brings nice outlook where everyone knows where you are if you got the legion tmog

[strong forum]

bear (if played really well) has the highest raid dmg output

[carmine prawn]

You just thrash, mangle and swipe.
Hp drop? Pop frenzied regen
Big hit coming? Pop whatever cd
Need to move? Watch that painful ass run like no body's business

[hasty echo]

probably we will run either ww, havok, dps war, uh/frost dk and many druids… so it’s just a matter of what will be the better choice raidwise for progressing next tier

[strong forum]

whatever youre most comfortable on

i personally would never reroll for raid

but again, warri brings rally, even if you already have one, since AMZ is literally dead, rally is 400x better

the only tank that brings raid defensives now :^)

[carmine prawn]

AMZ is really dead now or in 9.1?

[strong forum]

9.1

[sweet summit]

9.1

[hasty echo]

serms so

[sweet summit]

kinda depends on how it works though

[strong forum]

erga.

its a 20% ignore pain

[sweet summit]

if a big hit is still mitigated or not

[strong forum]

[carmine prawn]

Sweet

[hasty echo]

i will than running monk and maybe level up on ilvl the war

[strong forum]

ITS LITERALLY A 50k 20% IGNORE PAIN SPLIT ACROSS 8 MEMBERS

such a joke

it does nothing

literally nothing

[sweet summit]

take guardian for example, the obelisk exploding does big dam. if AMZ still gives 20% DR even if the instant damage depletes it is what i mean

[carmine prawn]

I would say play a warrior, Yado. Feels fulfilling tanking as prot warr

[strong forum]

no its literally like IP

it doesnt prevent 20% full on

it does its absorb amount, and thats it

[sweet summit]

might as well remove it from the spellbook then nvm

[hasty echo]

i will truly consider that… im leveling at the moment and i find it really funny! ☺️

[carmine prawn]

Play more with spell reflect, be amazed by the the whole new world

[strong forum]

theres a reason why i renamed to "20% ignore pain" on several discords

[chilly brook]

Literally won't matter what you play tbh unless you're missing a buff or something otherwise

[hasty echo]

yeah you’re right! also because my guild take it slow and we always arrive at the content over geared for most of the fights…

so yes as soon as we have all the buffs we need i can play what i feel more confident and comfortable

by now i would say monk… but still i got winkled by prot war 😂

[blazing condor]

can you still BOP on Kaal for clearing stacks?

[strong forum]

dont think so

[jagged pier]

i swear u couldnt SR wracking pain 🤔

[carmine prawn]

But it happened?

[tame jasper]

6.4k DPS in a m+? 😮 😮 😮

[chilly brook]

you can sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

Idk how or why

it do be temperamental though

[jagged pier]

its so not reilable

literally saving it for them

and im not seeing it

[chilly brook]

yea idk what causes it

[shut summit]

think it had something to do with reflecting when its on other tank? not sure, never bothered to test anymore, was inconsistent

[strong forum]

"since SR was so brokenly strong in BFA, we have decided to remove 95% of spells from the reflectable table, the other 5% are inconsistent and we aint telling you when how or why" hope you enjoy the game!

[jagged pier]

i mean im still pissed that AMS can stop the stack but SR cant

because 'reasons' i presume

[strong forum]

same as BDK can immune the tank dot from HoA last boss

but we have to suffer against it

[jagged pier]

🤔

sounds like fair and good game design to me

[scarlet swan]

How do y'all deal with the dot on last boss in HoA? Last night on 18 the last few ticks every time were wrecking for like 20k per tick

[ionic fern]

"WTB heals, 10k"

[sweet summit]

cycle cds and pray

[ionic fern]

Jokes aside, rotate CD's.

If you'r on voice with the healer ask for the external when ever you need it so you don't overlap.

[chilly brook]

save your CD's for the last part of it

don't blow them early

[scarlet swan]

Thats what I did, but once I was out it was gg

[ionic fern]

First one should go under Pride anyways.

[scarlet swan]

Couple of my dps like to throw and catch statues with their faces tho

[ionic fern]

If you rotated CD*s effeciently and still died then maybe it was your healer? It's a hard hitting DoT.

[blazing condor]

spell reflect helps for dmg reduc other than that just shield wall / kyrian pot / external / whatever

if it overlaps during soak might as well rally if its up

[kind cloud]

so is it really that bad to stack your shield blocks if youre pulling big?

[iron forum]

why would it be bad

its only bad if you have lots of SB uptime where you arent actually tanking (kiting or something)

[kind cloud]

Ah ok

[iron forum]

the duration just gets added on to your current SB timer up to a certain point like 20s or so, i dont know the exact amount but its high

[sweet summit]

18 without bolster+last stand

[kind cloud]

and the whole point of haste is to reduce the cooldown of Shield block shield slam tc

[sweet summit]

that and higher rage generation

which equals more value from AM

[kind cloud]

true i guess you have to somewhat juggle around 70 rage for revenges so you can get more shield slams

[iron forum]

its a very good part of haste, but yeah like he said haste is also more rage gen

[kind cloud]

for more uptime on shield block

was watching a prot warrior in keys and his uptime on shield block was horrendous for top

[sweet summit]

huh?

[kind cloud]

he kept dying to bosses mobs everytime his shield block went down in a 19 top

[iron forum]

shouldnt be having downtime in top

he just wasnt playing correctly

[kind cloud]

he had like a 60% uptime on shield blokc

yea i figured

[iron forum]

well, you shouldnt be having very much

[sweet summit]

uptime or blocked hits

[kind cloud]

uptime on mobs

everytime it went down he died or got very low

[sweet summit]

mhm

thats usually what happens

[iron forum]

yeah if you dont have block up, you better get to steppin cause the mobs are gonna clippity clap your cheeks

[sweet summit]

especially if its late in a pull with raging mobs

[kind cloud]

also saw he kept turning to his side to run out to charge back in but durign that time he ended up dying to xavis

or a mob

[sweet summit]

ok?

[kind cloud]

since back was turned

[iron forum]

strafing like that should be fine you can do it without exposing your back

[kind cloud]

is there a way to go aroudn this for charging back in

besides shockwave

[iron forum]

if it sa boss, wait until the boss gives you a chance to move out and charge. almost every boss in the game will give you an oppertunity

[kind cloud]

yeaaa what about mobs

since you gotta charge the first one in front of you right

so you dont have your back turned

[iron forum]

like for ToP, first obss is easy to get charges since its a council fight, xav you can charge to banner and after he finished his ground aoe cleave, lich boss you can charge when shes sucking off two of your dps, gorechop you can charge an add then charge back, last boss you can charge during a couple of her channels

[kind cloud]

for mobs

was jw since was having trouble charging myself

since just started prot

[iron forum]

strafing is fine, if you do it right it doesnt expose your back

and ask your group for slows

[kind cloud]

didnt wanna have an even worse issue of turning my back like the other

[iron forum]

just make sure youre charging a mob at the front of the back, not the back of the pack

[tacit smelt]

anyone here on ptr know if i MUST do the pre-questline for the ardenweld section to get access to the new dung?

[sweet summit]

no not that one

you talk to a guy by some stairs behind the innkeeper in oribos

and do those quests

[tacit smelt]

k heading there

the innkeeper started the quest

[sweet summit]

oh yeah

[proud dock]

are conduit drops posed to be 100%? i cant seem to get the correct ones from the dungs

[elfin nova]

They're high drop chance in m+ but i don't think it's 100%

[proud dock]

rip ok thanks

[elfin nova]

But they onlygo up to ilvl to 200 from dungeons

[proud dock]

gotcha

[daring bay]

e

[undone verge]

i

[proud dock]

o

[sick sentinel]

does anyone have a macro that casts ravager and spear of bastion where you are standing

[distant crystal]

just /cast [@player]

[carmine oracle]

Anyone willing to share UI's keybind and everything for a new prot warrior?

I am just trying to learn the spec an dwant to start the right way

[carmine prawn]

First off for keybinds, you have to do your own, muscle memory differs from everyone. UI is also kinda personal as well. I would suggest going through some of the streamers on how they do their setup and craft your own

[carmine oracle]

Who are the best prot warriors out there streaming and actively creating content?

[sick sentinel]

the only issue with that is it is feels bad when u dump them in the middle of literal no where

[fleet river]

Obligatory @patent osprey plug and he's active here too. @glad spade plays all 6 tanks and is a great resource for universally applicable tank mindset stuff

[sick sentinel]

if i could make one change to wow

it would be that gorefiends grasp (giga death grip/taunt) would be useable by the 2 dps specs

if thats not a thing now, then we x1.25 to x2.0 its base CD longer

[fleet river]

Dks dont need more utility tho

[fallow jasper]

dps dks lost grasp on legion .1 for a reason

[sick sentinel]

i tried to run +11 NW last night but it was a shit show

all pretty much as expected, we got to the 2nd boss and add bomb wipe, (final something? spell green shit 1 shot)

repeat that x3

[patent osprey]

[sick sentinel]

key was total depleted

i gave up after wipe 3 on boss

[rapid robin]

How good is conquerors banner?

[solemn magnet]

It's fine?

[limpid pawn]

tanking as night fae - anyone do this and what do you think

[fiery warren]

many people tank as NF

[rapid robin]

With a dedicated group, only fine or good?

I play with Ele/Boomkin/Lock/Hpal

[sick sentinel]

Kind of dissapoint that I see zero paladins running nf

I like idea of giga buff paladin guy

[solemn magnet]

Even with a dedicated group it gets a fine from me. NF and kyrian honestly better.

[modern brook]

Banners fun

No real reason to take it

[tropic linden]

If i'm not wrong, besides MW, all kyrians are tanks, so they usually "need" to be tank

[modern brook]

But it's fun

More fun than I thought it'd be at least

[tropic linden]

But u do u

Brutal Vitality or Stalwart Guardian for conduits? Which is better?

[jagged pier]

Stalwart

[river spade]

How is prot Right now? It is possibile to push +20 with it or nah? (I wanna swap from monk)

[ionic fern]

It has been for a while.

👀

We are in a good state so if you enjoy the playstyle go for it.

[river spade]

Well yea ^^ im suprised u remmember me XD was on a little vacation from wow but now readyto jump back into it

[strong forum]

People are doing 25s as prot

[river spade]

Well g2k then

[river spade]

Well wanna stay on prot for a while

So probably often will be here ;pa

[fringe marten]

Does the conduit node "Forgelite Filter' under the Mikanikos tree of bastion (auto use phial <35% hp) put the phial on cooldown? I assume it has to

[jagged pier]

It does

Its really bad, because it just uses the pot so u find pretty often you dont have it when you want it

[fringe marten]

Yeah that's what I thought; I figured no way was it a 'free' use of it because that means you could keep getting to 35%..getting the free heal 3x..then resummon the steward when his cooldown was off..etc. Would be ACTUALLY GOOD and people would say "hey mikanikos is actually pretty good"

I just want to use something besides pelagos; and I have occassionally and it's neither a huge gain nor a huge loss.. but ultimately you just do more damage with pelagos because of his signature ability.

so? bleh

[jagged pier]

I mean kelia does the most damage

[fringe marten]

Supposedly but then every top parse is with pelagos.

I've tried the crit route with kleia

it was nominally any different; I did enjoy not chasing white balls though~

[jagged pier]

I dont even do it half the time tbh

[fringe marten]

I don't either that's why I WANT to dump pelagos. But every top parse is with him and every time I focus and push for damage and GET the balls..you see why.. extending that mastery buff substantially like that is a ton of damage.

And kleia's Resonant Accolades is actually a really good healing buff.

it's a substantial amount of my healing in a raid fight or zonewide if I try her out.

[jagged pier]

I mean sure it helps but tbh alot of my top parses i dont chase balls and it all about how many executes u can get in with ashen and thats why u take pela as u can have 2 potency

[fringe marten]

it might just be the fact that her signature ability is such stank trash it just bothers the crap out of me to swap to her.

Yeah ashen jugg and piercing verdict.

[jagged pier]

We will all be mik next patch anyways

[fringe marten]

Oh is he gettin' beefed up?

or is bron getting beefed up?

[jagged pier]

He gives us 40 second cd on spear

And some other stuff cant remeber now

[fringe marten]

I remember saying long before we had him that if bron was GOOD..everyone would just default run him. When I unlocked him and tried bron I..cried

Are these 'added' nodes or changed nodes?

Bron will still be mad dookey though won't he =\ ugh

[sinful cloud]

during boss fight how much should a prot warrior be mitigating?

[fringe marten]

uhh? whatever his shield+armor says it should?

But I think what you're getting at is..effective shield uptime?

Beast what do you mean by that question?

[jagged pier]

Depends on boss legendary tactic etc etc

If your running reprisal and using it correctly id expect 90% or higher blocked hits on most boss fights

SLG maybe not as depends on how u kill adds etc

But sludge 100% or close to for sure

U can be at 90 or high 80s on sire with AM higher with bolster

But cant really talk for any other havent done them since the patch

[fringe marten]

which patch?

[jagged pier]

9.0.5

[timber jasper]

I tried sludge yesterday with reprisal. You just have intervene every 25sek but not really a situation where it‘s possible to charge because u would break chains with your partner or am I missing something?

[jagged pier]

Eh?

No

[sweet summit]

charge every stomp and roar

[jagged pier]

U charge every roar and stomp

[fringe marten]

oh.

[jagged pier]

I did a whole video about reprisal and sludge

Cause ppl told me it was bad

And i was like no its not

[fringe marten]

yeah..instead of pushing against the roar and getting right back into melee; you let the roar push you out so you can charge back in.

and same with the stomp. You will probably have to coordinate a little with cotank so there's no major seperation or you getting trucked by 2x fists etc.

[jagged pier]

Chains are even longer now so its even less rsiky for when i did it

[timber jasper]

Ah I see. You‘re right. Makes sense. Thanks for that. Was 1st progress night so a lots of things going on^^

[fringe marten]

naw every parse has reprisal on sludge; it's reprisal on most fights now...mSire is like a 60/40 split or 55/45 split favoring 'the wall' which just means most kills are progression kills and people are going with easy/safe.

[jagged pier]

https://youtu.be/zNrx_TNv1No

[fringe marten]

I'm running the wall on our progression and we're mostly through phase 2 now..and honestly? I'm not using shield wall on cd or even aggressively at all. Just on the times I leap around and I'm alone with Denny

[timber jasper]

👍 thanks

[jagged pier]

I dunno im progging sire and i feel really safe with rep

[fringe marten]

and I would too...in p1 there's lots of charging; in p2 you can charge if you want; you can intervene if you want and it's not really that bad either? plenty of opportunites for that.

[gaunt dawn]

i'd personally recommend the wall

if you have both

[jagged pier]

And u charge and interevene all the time in p3

[fringe marten]

But with sire I don't even feel any danger coming from lack of shield block uptime anyway.

[gaunt dawn]

having 2 walls in p3

is the main thing

[jagged pier]

P3 is 3:30 mins

U have 2 walls with rep in that time

🤔

[fringe marten]

It's when you're alone with him..can't cure bleeds from remornia, have to take some hits/wracking pain utnil everyone is pulled over etc. You're just taking huge damage unhealed so you have to self maintain.

The assumption with reprisal is that you're always running AM; which reduces shield wall as well..just not quite as aggressively as the wall.

[gaunt dawn]

youre gonna be walling ~7:20 or so and then at ~9:00

[jagged pier]

Good its a 1:30 cd with rep

Ill have it back

[fringe marten]

I'm in full turtle until we're 'through' the fight and I"m just waiting on DPS to unfuck their brains.

so I'm wall/bolster.

[gaunt dawn]

is it that low with reprisal?

[jagged pier]

Yes

If u take AM

[fringe marten]

Yeah it's close to the wall cd.

But yeah..you HAVE to take AM of course.

[jagged pier]

Because with the wall u take bolster

[gaunt dawn]

oh yea with AM

[jagged pier]

So it slows it down or should

If u run AM and the wall its like 1min

[fringe marten]

If you go 'riskier' and lose block uptime you can (and always could have) run Wall/AM and it actually turns shield wall into an insanely low cd

[jagged pier]

Not that low

Lowest you can get is 55secs

And its unlikely u get that

More likely 1 min

[fringe marten]

But it doesn't cover for the fact that you now do have some noticable gaps in block time.

[jagged pier]

Yes there is that

[fringe marten]

a 50'ish second shield wall refresh is still a ways away from 90 seconds though.

[jagged pier]

Thats why rep is so good because u get the effect of the wall and uber amounts of effective block time

[fringe marten]

But it's irrelevant 'cause you just don't do it. it's not 'worth' it.

But as always the tradeoff has been there's added micro management with it. You can say 'it's easy' but it's still MORE on your plate to deal with in a fight where there's gobs of moving parts and stuff you gotta' do as a tank.

Either way; right now just in 'maintenance' mode until we break through barriers and I have to learn a 'new' part of the fight.

Once we're all the way through is when I start changing gear for damage.

Oh... anyone else's dps straight autistic with the night hunter beams in phase 1? Like once in every handful of pulls they manage to cross all 3 beams into an asterisk.

like 1 beam off in zimbabwe..2 beams almost cross but the guys keep moving around and then make them parallel right as the night hunters hit...I'm like "? why..? what are you doing?"

It's like a leveled up game of pugging keys where rando dps move around with prideful boast.

[warped moth]

is there a spell reflect masterlist pinned somewhere?

[gaunt dawn]

you get over that p quick @fringe marten

as a tank just aim for ones where there's an overlap, if theres 3 people in each they live

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the main thing is that people stay still after 2s or so

[sweet summit]

in the pins

[fringe marten]

right..of course you got for the 2 lines overlapped. And I get the bubbled paladin or something solo soaking..fine. But I've seen hunters disengage out into nowhere..alone..and die. and my brain just implodes

[warped moth]

oh yeah jsut saw the one on this channel thx

[timber jasper]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml

[fringe marten]

Or the people that move around constantly with night hunter and have the terminal radius hit additional people "you know that heals him right?" "huh?"

NM~

[warped moth]

thank uu ❤️

[sick sentinel]

why do I pull 1st boss nw twice without pride

that was incredibly stupid of me last night but I did it...

[blazing condor]

As long as you know what you can do better its all good : D

fucking up is a great way to learn

[fleet river]

Experience is a fantastic teacher, as is shame

[fading heath]

Hey, i recently got lvl50 and arrived at oribos rn and chose threads of fate since ive done campaign on my other character, can someone help me on what to do on threads of fate? if i should do dungeons or just worldquests idk kinda lost

[modern brook]

Whatever you want just get to 60

Dungeons fast cause tank q

World quests fast cause tank pulling

[fading heath]

and btw the only good option for covenant is kyrian right? would like to go necro or venthyr wich are the 2 i didnt play yet but i think kyrian is too strong

[modern brook]

Pins

You can safely do whatever you want on warrior and make it work

[jagged pier]

On 'prot' warrior the dps specs are a but less open

[undone verge]

I guess necro is maybe the best, but the top prot warriors on my server are split between necro and kyrian. I go kyrian because I just like the feel of gameplay more than necro, especially for mythic plus, spear of bastion is very fun to use.

[analog swift]

hey all I think the pin still says serrated tear is not blockable

but tank notes says it is am confused

or w/e the fuck the kaal ability is

[gaunt dawn]

believe the pin

[analog swift]

kkkkkk

will do

[jagged pier]

U cant block like anything on SLG including stone fist its dumb

[gaunt dawn]

there is a bit of outdated block/reflect stuff on tanknotes 😦

someone should really tell that panthea guy to update it

[sweet summit]

smh

[fierce field]

oh hey, panthea... 🙂

[jagged pier]

[fading heath]

ye ive heard necro is good only you have a coordinated group idk

[modern brook]

idk it requires "coordination" because ppl focus on how good mastery is for boomie and fire mage

and getting it to proc on them is weird af

But mastery fucks for both dks, Fury, non-outlaw rogues, feral, and ret - at least

the question is where does "its better than having spear/AA/condoom" begin

[sweet summit]

its disgusting on ret

[modern brook]

and thats a blurred line

[jagged pier]

In theory isa great because its the biggest dps increase for the group, but not by that much uonestly over a 5 min fight its like a ~300 dps increase and thats buffing 2 boomkins as you lose dos taking it yourself, in next patch it will be more as u can buff 1 more person and extend the buff on yourself. But it does all come down to coridination and a lot of the time and in m+ u miss the ppl u want

And yes its digusting on ret pala

In pvp and aoe

Fucking gross

[modern brook]

yeah

Firm believer in Necro Bis for 3s

[jagged pier]

Apprently next patch in 2s that and a boomy is insane

[modern brook]

lol

not NF boomie though right?

[jagged pier]

I duno

[modern brook]

yeah questions for #223972896219856896

[sweet summit]

firm believer that necrolord warrior is overrated

[modern brook]

The point is if you're taking Necro for pvp, your pve isnt gutted

[jagged pier]

The boomy in my guild wants me to swap for it

I 100% agree erga

100%

[shut summit]

[modern brook]

I think Necrolord is def the weakest of the 4

but its still VERY playable

[jagged pier]

I remeber the week after the patch, where all the omg necro is gunna be amazing started to reroll back because it wasnt what they thought

KEKW

[modern brook]

yeah who would do that @sweet summit

😓

[sweet summit]

i went necro to simp

thats different

[jagged pier]

True

[modern brook]

i went necro to finish off 40 on everyone

[sweet summit]

and that

[modern brook]

And cause condemn spam was getting boring

I enjoy it

Wish banner wasnt on GCD

[sweet summit]

condemn spam owns

[modern brook]

fury dork

[sweet summit]

hehe

[modern brook]

almost looks like a fucking osu!mania track lol

[sweet summit]

lol

[undone verge]

its people looking at the top 1% then saying "well my class sucks because the 99th percentile isnt as good as the rest." when in reality its the best players playing their spec almost perfect. You dont need to micromanage your character to preform well. Like i'm not running bis conduits because pelagos annoys me so much I cant stand to use him.

[iron forum]

I went necro because the covenant swapping system is fucked and it's impossible to find accurate information on it, so now I'm stuck as necro for push week

[sweet summit]

im not quite sure i understand the statement could you rephrase it?

[blazing condor]

Spell reflect on SLG works on what...? Crystalize boulder?

[sweet summit]

nothing

[blazing condor]

if SR works on nature damage

dang

[sweet summit]

just for dr

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what i meant : )

[sweet summit]

oh yeah

nature is magic

[modern brook]

anything that isnt physical damage is magic

[blazing condor]

yeah good just making sure

[iron forum]

Just spell reflect the dispell dot to DR it

Not super useful on SLG

[sweet summit]

do tanks get that dot?

[blazing condor]

nop

i have never gotten it at least

maybe really rare

[iron forum]

Oh, idk lol I've never tanked raid I thought they did

I'm just a filthy dungeon tank

[sweet summit]

i dont even tank anything at this point :/

[blazing condor]

i have for the past month been stuck in m+ limbo only swaying between doing 19s to get 20s ive already done and depleting them back down

trying to get base 20s

[iron forum]

You should be able to do it next week. M+ players are like cicadas, we only emerge every once in a long while to go nuts for a week, then fade into the background until next push week

[sweet summit]

lmao

[iron forum]

Like this week is actually pretty good for a tyran week but no one is playing

Although that also has a lot to do with all the high end teams spending their time on TR instead of live

[sweet summit]

this week is the same affixes as TR SoA

and they are vibing in 26s

[iron forum]

Yeah, 26 soa is giga scary though lol. I've only done a 22 tyran soa and even that made my nuts quake a bit at some points

[undone verge]

I need a push group for m+

[iron forum]

It's all networking

[undone verge]

im tired of watching people get one shot by easy mechanics on tyran bosses

and ruining the whole key

[iron forum]

Getting into high end m+ and getting a group is just meeting people and building a network, once you know enough people teams kind of just form themselves

[undone verge]

once I get ksm im just gonna be afking on alts so maybe that'll be another goal get a good push group

just need dos spires and sanuine

and the only thing stopping me is people denying me from groups cause im not meta or my io isnt over 3k

[blazing condor]

yeah i wish i could find people to run with consistently. I have one dude thats on my level but i feel like all the friends ive played with arent good enough

we can do 19s maybe 20s but i know i could be up doing 23/24s with the right people

[undone verge]

yeah you feel the difference when you have a good group.

Id been doing top15s all day and people just couldnt do it, dying to the simplest stuff, but then I got a great group of like 5k+ dps and a great healer and we almost 2 chest top 15 then almost did a 16 dos, but someone missed a stun on manastorms

I feel like I could be way higher in keys im pushing, but I got a real late start to this tier

like middle of march

[chilly mango]

i have a question regarding talents for M+ i just started to play warrior and tank in general, i feel like my haste is rly low should i run into the Fray or Ravager? What are the pros and cons

[sweet summit]

ravager

pros -> more damage, more rage, snap threat on low cd

cons -> uhhhh

[undone verge]

plka did an analysis I think and ravager did more dps

[chilly mango]

ok, so even with my low gear i should always run ravager over into the fray

[ionic fern]

In myhtic+ yes.

[undone verge]

ravager is niice

[plush tendon]

Extra keybind

[sweet summit]

true

i guess

[ionic fern]

Use the Devastate one.

[chilly mango]

coming from druid most of my hotkeys are empty anyway

not scared of pressing more buttons thats what i like about warrior

[undone verge]

more buttons=more to love

[plush tendon]

More buttons means more brain power required to play which means less focus to watch Trash TV while playing

[chilly mango]

what is like a suggested shield block uptime over a key with the intervene legendary

[sweet summit]

raw uptime is irrelevant

[chilly mango]

i feel a bit overwhelmed with learning to tank and proper usage of the legendray right now

[sweet summit]

you want to log your runs and look at blocked hits %

[iron forum]

It's been so long since devastator wasn't played ice legitimately forgotten we defaultly have a filler ability

[undone verge]

ive got a nice weakaura that tells me if sb or ignore pain is down'

[plush tendon]

It can be overwhelming. You sort of have to treat Charge and Intervene as small CDs you use

[sweet summit]

70-75% blocked hits is a decent starting point i think

[ionic fern]

I was streaming to @sweet summit the other day and he mentioned that i have a keybind for Devastate...diddn't even know it was there.

[undone verge]

cant get it now, but you should find a good one

[plush tendon]

but once you get the hang of it, youll be zooming!

[sweet summit]

LOL yeah

[undone verge]

I replaced the keybind for devastate with ravager

[plush tendon]

I replaced my keybind for Devastate with WW

[iron forum]

Lol yeah I don't have one either, in the time I've played warrior since legion I've never once needed to set a bind for it

[sweet summit]

delete whirlwind

[ionic fern]

Never forget.

[sweet summit]

noooooooooooooooooooo

[chilly mango]

should i use some kind of scrolling combat text right now i am not even sure when my dmg intake is rly high

used to play without any of those addons / features

[iron forum]

[sweet summit]

youll start to understand damage intake patters with more experience

[plush tendon]

hey, Ion put WW in my Spell Book so it must be a crucial part about playing Prot War

[ionic fern]

Was a MOTS with Seismic+Whirlwind and some messed up talents. 😂

[undone verge]

ww should be burned

in a fire

[plush tendon]

Why a fire though?

Why not in really hot water

Or maybe a electrical burn

[sweet summit]

does it burn if you put it in really hot water?

[undone verge]

maybe it would drown

either way

get it out of my spell book

[plush tendon]

But my class identity

[ionic fern]

Your class identity died a long time ago.

[undone verge]

in mists of pandalanda/

cata

[plush tendon]

Didnt play War till WoD so unlucky

[torn gulch]

i dodn't even have WW on my bars as prot

[ionic fern]

No one does...i hope.

[torn gulch]

i genuinely want to know dev team justification

for giving ww to prot

[ionic fern]

Unpruning.

[torn gulch]

because every time i think about it i receive errors from my brain

[amber herald]

"class flavour"

[undone verge]

ww is more like class gag reflex

[carmine prawn]

Give shield block 1 more sec on the timer or reduce cd by 1 more sec!!

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

No thank you.

How about....fix our mastery to be not RNG.

[sweet summit]

how about making last stand not trash

[iron forum]

Instructions unclear, putting ip back on the gcd

[sweet summit]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[undone verge]

and avatar

[ionic fern]

Jokes on them..we don't use IP anyways.

[late wasp]

Make Shield block a toggled ability that burns rage over time

[sweet summit]

hmmm

burns rage for each attack blocked?

[late wasp]

Nah, that just makes us AoE susceptible

Hard to balance big pack pull vs single target

[undone verge]

wish shield wall had like 4 more seconds of uptime

[ionic fern]

You guys are all trippin'.

I'm going back to TBC.

[undone verge]

hold on lemme get my credit card

ill be right there

[sweet summit]

[honest plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/money-dont-touch-mine-slap-gif-6195540

[elfin nova]

Can't press IP, need rage for condemn

[sweet summit]

[elfin nova]

I think I can play warrior this week

And now I'm venthyr instead of necrolord

Huge gains to be made

[sweet summit]

rank 1 allstars or 👉 🚪

[ionic fern]

Just be me and go on a dead server..get Rank 1 and stay there without doing anything.

And whenever someone asks you can go "Jeah, i'm r1 on my server" with last key being done like 5 months ago.

[sweet summit]

server ranks

[honest plinth]

Ranks😩

[elfin nova]

I'll never be rank anything allstars i have private logs

[ionic fern]

Go to #fury

[sweet summit]

sorry

[elfin nova]

Gottem

[shut summit]

[ionic fern]

Damn, can't direct Sense to fury.

😦

[patent osprey]

true my server is dead

[plush tendon]

There is almost 1000 points between you and number 2

I feel bad for number 2 XD

[undone verge]

the highest prot warrior on my server cluster is 1499 io 😦

[late wasp]

I got KSM and haven't ventured much further, I still jack up routes and positioning on fights so confidence levels are somewhat low 😛

[undone verge]

once I get ksm im just gonna do random legacy stuff until 9.1

[late wasp]

Plus I still like Kyrian conceptually and functionally even if it doesn't min/max like the other covenants, so I typically get trashed on lol

[ionic fern]

That's the 100 IQ play.

[undone verge]

kyrian is like bis for prot, necro is slightly better if you have a good group

[inland raft]

Lies nf bis if you can manage to find another kyrian in your group aa goes brrrr

[late wasp]

Aaaand I accidentally started another holy war...whoops

[undone verge]

its in the name

[amber herald]

kyrian > nightfae

[undone verge]

we should make a ranking for all the covenants

kyrian-necro-nf-venth

[fierce field]

Kyrian = Tank covenant so somebody can cover NW/SOA buffs 😄

[late wasp]

I just love chucking spears

[undone verge]

I feel like blizzard specifically made some covenants better than others so people would pick it

[inland raft]

i play with ww so i get to

[undone verge]

like nf for druids

[fierce field]

if i had a WW/MW i'd go nightbae

[elfin nova]

MW are not kyrian

Maybe

Are there even any mw

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve

[sullen valve]

Hello

i am the mw legend

[sweet summit]

why

[sullen valve]

Why am i a legend?\

[sweet summit]

yeah

[amber herald]

[sullen valve]

Because i keep the spec in the ground

[sullen valve]

but yes. MW can be kyrian very easily

[elfin nova]

I guess you're always kyrian anywy if you multispec

[sullen valve]

The thing is. They are all decently close for mw

outside of vamprie

[amber herald]

is mw going to be meta in 9.1?

[sullen valve]

TBD

[strong forum]

D said no

[amber herald]

I like the big blob shield

[sweet summit]

[amber herald]

[sick sentinel]

yup

[inland raft]

its better then now but still not gonna be meta unless more changes come to healers

[iron forum]

[inland raft]

pally still strong and shaman well positioned to take over if pally does end up falling out of grace

[amber herald]

so no panda mommy monk gf? 🙁

[sweet summit]

[inland raft]

i mean theyll be playable with the changes they getting at least

so you can still have your furry gf

[amber herald]

[maiden notch]

NF prot looking kinda nutty in 9.1

[sweet summit]

NF prot already nutty 😳

[jagged pier]

☝️

[inland raft]

12 second lockdown on caster packs, huge boost to initial threat from wild hunt tactics/first strike soulshape situationally useful

its just not many classses play kyrian

thus the prot kyrian love affair

[jagged pier]

i mean its also more defensive than NF

and slightly better for progression

[inland raft]

i dont raid on my prot since its an alt so cant speak for raid, i find nf much tankier in keys though when pugging due to the caster lockdown since in pugs thats usually where thigns get scary

[jagged pier]

they are basically equal tbh

[inland raft]

since 90% of pugs dont even bind their interrupts it feels like

[jagged pier]

so theres no ones better than the other

they are just the same

[inland raft]

but ya both are solid i just like my nf, went kryian>necro>nf>kyrian>nf on my warrior at start

outside major changes never changing again so long as my ww friend doesnt swap, if he does ill go back kyrian cuz cov diversity > nf but for now im a full furry

[flint tiger]

Kyrian is master covenant. Just like dwarf is master race. Angel bros for life

[flint tiger]

I still have my devastate bound. Can't replace it, as it's been the same bind since BC

[mighty valley]

Same... also don't wanna get rid of it and have to reconfigure when devastate sucks again one day

[steady slate]

when i'm looking at my logs, what should i be looking for? it's all a bit opaque right now

[ionic fern]

What are you interested in? 🤔

[fallow jasper]

also, a big advantage of kyrian is that NF is bis for so many DPS specs than having Kyrian bonuses becomes an advantage

[lilac bloom]

i'm doing necrotic wake.. i dont knpow what it is but 2nd boss is a pain

ican't kill it.. dps keeps dying on 2nd set or 3rd set of adsd

[fallow jasper]

people need to interrupt mage volleys and focus them asap

if they don't, not much you can do

[lilac bloom]

well thats why i'm dying

alot of them say they did inteurpt

but i have been interupting the mages

all the time.. the 2nd mage gets interupted later

[fallow jasper]

people say many things, what does details say?

[lilac bloom]

no idea what it is

i've been doing 21 interupts.. healer did 18 and the rest just 8 and 9s

[steady slate]

@ionic fern i'd like to know whether or not i'm using defensives correctly, that sort of thing. i have some example logs, but i don't want to clog up chat with them

[iron forum]

One of the mages should really be cc'd, that's a lot of kicks to stop in a pug even with good play and plus on the second and third add set the damage output is insanely high while they are out

[lilac bloom]

well ok

thx for letting me know

[fallow jasper]

healer is what, an rsham?

[lilac bloom]

i guess tahts the erason why we died

[iron forum]

Also picking up/grouping the adds there is really important, an easy way to do that is just hit one warrior for threat, taunt the other warrior and charge to the crossbowman

[lilac bloom]

a paly

[iron forum]

And then stack everything on the crossbowman

[lilac bloom]

i had druid mage and hunter i think

paly was our healer

[fallow jasper]

so, you can poly/freeze trap a mage and then focus the other

[lilac bloom]

ok

welll.. ill do that next time

[fallow jasper]

think of it like huntsman

[lilac bloom]

this is hard as a 13 key

never thought it be so hard

11 and 12 were ok

just this

cos i didn't know what was wrong either was me tanking or something

but yah good that u told me

[iron forum]

That boss is going to be difficult if neither of the mages are cc'd

Even when they are, it's still difficult

[lilac bloom]

damn

[iron forum]

You should be using a spear and hero on that boss also

[lilac bloom]

cos i'm trying to aim for ksm.. its hard to know all these bosses

we did

i use pride

but we end up stuff it all up even if we had hero etc

we just kept dying to 2nd set or 3rd set of adds

[iron forum]

Yeah just focus on making sure the mages get cc'd then and make sure everyone is using defensives on the second or third set

The first set isn't hard so no need to waste them there

[lilac bloom]

yah i was wonering 1st set was easy to get down

but as soon as we hit 2nd set..we tried then later.. 3rd set we die

cos ppl weren't ccing or interupting cast

[iron forum]

Well he starts doing a lot of aoe damage after he eats the first set

[lilac bloom]

Its to the point we just gave upp

[iron forum]

So that's whys second and third are harder r

[lilac bloom]

right

well.. then i will try that theory

how about 3rd and last boss?

[iron forum]

Third boss just use a spear on him and burn him with pride, he should die before he jumps back up he's easy as long as people don't miss hooks

[lilac bloom]

ok

doesn't sound so bad

just the 2nd boss is a pain

[iron forum]

Last boss save all 3 hammers for him having dps take them, and have them use hammers when they come back up after being exiled because they have a 100% crit buff then

And hero last boss

[mighty valley]

Main thing you can do as a tank for 3rd boss is help line up the hook when he's on the ground to interrupt fixate

[lilac bloom]

what hammers

[mighty valley]

The weapons you get on the ground, there are spears and hammers (and orbs, for trash usually)

[lilac bloom]

usualy i'm the only kyrian or another dps takes it

[mighty valley]

they're not covenant specific

usually the DPS takes them though

[lilac bloom]

u sure? i thought only kyrians can take the weapons on the floor

ok then

[mighty valley]

that's the spears in Spires of Ascension

the kyrian mechanic in NW is turning on the robots to get the buff orbs

[lilac bloom]

oh

wow

well.. nobody have been taking them

[mighty valley]

lmao there's your problem, they're huge

[lilac bloom]

usualy i've been grabbing all of it to dps boss

[mighty valley]

you should plan it out, especially since you don't need to use any on first boss

[lilac bloom]

well.. thats good to know then

jeeze

i wonder why ppl keep either leaving for others to take the weapons

[mighty valley]

they probably just don't know

i dunno what pug life is like these days

[lilac bloom]

well.. its like carry me.. and hope ill live to the end and having our tank to carry us to victory that sort of attitude

but good to know these things

cos i can't find places to read of whats going on

all i'm counting on is mtd to tell me whats the best route

but when it comes to bosses..we die if there's mechanic not known

and i know that these mechanics are harder for higher keys

but where do u find these hard mechaincs to follow

e.g. we die so many times on 2nd set of boss for halls

and something wasn't right... i've been tanking like i have in all the bosses.. but somethign else keep killing the dps and heals

this is the thing. I got enough hp to live but ican't help dps and healers to live through out the boss fight

[mighty valley]

yeah, you can't solo carry, other people do need to know fights

although you can try and figure out what's killing people

like, are people failing the turn to stone mechanic on the 2nd halls boss? eating a bunch of damage they don't need?

[lilac bloom]

like how to look at these

i got details

[mighty valley]

you can check damage taken for the fight and see what's doing damage

you'd need to know the mechanics to know what to look for though

it's also just kinda easy to spot when you know the fights... you see when people die, you can usually tell how

[lilac bloom]

somehow details not showing the 2nd boss fight for nec

[ionic fern]

Mythic+? Raids? Where are those logs?

[lilac bloom]

i think it only log the fight for the boss done but not the boss that haven't been killed

[mighty valley]

it should log attempts, but also it sounds like we know why people are dying to that boss

the damage gets harder to deal with and the healer can't keep up

[steady slate]

i ran some mythic+. should i post them in the logs channel?

[lilac bloom]

maybe that wasn't a good fight for paly healer

[steady slate]

i guess there isn't a logs channel. that's what happens when you flip between discord servers too often.

[lilac bloom]

cos only he can sustain tank

[steady slate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kVWMDfbnTyG7A2Za#type=damage-taken&fight=last&source=2

[lilac bloom]

omg i think i better use wowlogs for it

ican't see it on details

[mighty valley]

there's a logs channel #449510248579858432

dunno how much it's used

holy palas are great if they know what they're doing

[lilac bloom]

but the rest of of the dps died

thats the problem

somethign happend to them and i can't use details to have a look

[mighty valley]

honestly, if you have pride and lust and use weapons right, it shouldn't be living to 3rd adds

[lilac bloom]

yah we eren't using weapons

i only used a spear that was it

anyways got to head of to bed

thx for the tip

[mighty valley]

good luck!

[misty charm]

guys what was the revenj leggo called?

[sweet summit]

seismic reverberation

[misty charm]

aah right

do i spame revenj or whirlwind if i wanna do max dmg with that leggo? 🤔

[sweet summit]

did you really just ask that

[jagged pier]

[misty charm]

mwahi talked about replacing his revenj with ww 😂

[iron forum]

[jagged pier]

[misty charm]

cmon its mwahi's fault

[strong forum]

@ionic fern

[iron forum]

Damnit @ionic fern

[jagged pier]

it was called the demon build for a reason

[strong forum]

See this is what memes birth

[jagged pier]

new prot meme 😮

[strong forum]

Also why the fuck my Hamburger with chilli cheese

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/emote-catjam-jpbnoe3UIa8TU8LM13

[ionic fern]

?

[strong forum]

I don't remmebe ordering this

[misty charm]

did i just create a new meme by accident?

[sweet summit]

whirlwind is never a good option to press

[jagged pier]

except torgy

[strong forum]

You moreso made mwahis meme a reality

[signal plover]

kek

[tame jasper]

the 18ties curse is broken 🥳 DOS with ~1:30 left and SD with 5:37 left happy

[sick sentinel]

what's the strategy for killing hands boss TOP keys

[misty charm]

hands boss?

[undone verge]

the lich lady?

[sick sentinel]

quaking, a debuff that hurts players near you, and you have to stay in melee of boss

[misty charm]

you mean kultharok?

[undone verge]

I just zone out during that boss

[misty charm]

dps have to stand in the hands when they have the beem on them

use personal when you have the dot

thats about it

[undone verge]

that fight is just stay slightly spread and stand behind hands when you get draw soul

[sick sentinel]

takes a long time to learn all this stuff anyway

[inland raft]

if you have to ask its 100% whirlwind

[tropic linden]

There is a WA to track debuffs? Bleeds, etc? I don't want to use VUHDOO

[strong forum]

Default ui

Elvui also shows them neatly

[tropic linden]

Yeah, but default UI show ur debuffs at the top, with all the buffs

Some weakaura to show them at my raidframe or somewhere else, with stacks and all that shit

i rlly like Default UI 😦

[strong forum]

"Move anything" and you can more your debuffs

[tame jasper]

I just stand at this boss and do my stuff. Its literaly a no-brainer for tanks (except cd usage). When he casr drain souls you have a few seconds to go on range an charge 🤷‍♂️

[modern brook]

Only time quaking is a problem is 4+ melee. you have enough space that you can fit 3 people comfortably in melee range without threatening eachother with quaking

Esp because the boss is standing still the whole time

There's more than 1 hands down as well so if those overlap your dps should just be splitting up, and failing that as a possibility can just pop defensive, 2 ppl stacking quaking is not unhealable, especially on that fight

If you're finding you have issues keeping all your melee in and you're not super melee stacked, you need to abuse your 5 yd melee more.

That also goes for basically any low movement fight

And just quaking in general

[nocturne pelican]

I've been leveling my protection warrior alt.

So far, the prot warrior feels quite different from other tanks.

I've experienced the prot paladin and the guardian druid.

There playstyle is simple. I keep a basic mitigation up all the time, or as much as possible.

And I pop a big cool down when needed.

But the prot warrior...

[jagged pier]

u have to use your brain

[nocturne pelican]

Yeah

It's not just keeping the shield block up and do nothing until something big comes.

The shield block alone never feels enough.

[jagged pier]

youll be suprised

[nocturne pelican]

Like, I actually have to combine mitigation abilities and figure out when to pop the last stand or the avatar.

@_@;;

I used to think I know how to tank. But I'm not sure anymore. lol

[strong forum]

Avatar just on CD, same as Demo shout generally

Pwar is one of the sturdiest tank out there

But yeah it takes some getting used to I guess

[nocturne pelican]

When I play my prot paladin, I usually try to do more damage to end a fight faster.

But the prot warrior

I felt like I don't have time to think about damage at all

[ionic fern]

o.o

That's all you think about.

[jagged pier]

once u hit 60 youll understand

[ionic fern]

Isn't leveling just..."Never use defensives"?

[iron forum]

[strong forum]

Leveling is just go ham

[iron forum]

Big dam

[strong forum]

In solo content it can feel weak I guess? Maybe you don't use victory rush enough or pull big enough

[nocturne pelican]

I mean

on a field, yeah.

I'm talking about a dungeon.

[modern brook]

@strong forum what's ur damage on average lookin like in keys

[nocturne pelican]

You know how the dungeon experience on a low level is like.

[strong forum]

4-5.5k

[nocturne pelican]

People pull everything. Hunters are like, haha the barrage goes brrrrrr

[modern brook]

W/repisal?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[modern brook]

Im Pulling like 3.8 with wall at 213 rn

[strong forum]

Ok

[modern brook]

Not sure how much of that is me beating my healers mana up

[strong forum]

(I have done about 6 keys since 9.0.5)

[modern brook]

not flexing

Just looking for a base comparison

[iron forum]

4.5k-5k is pretty normal for me too depending on dungeon

[modern brook]

havent tanked in keys since uhhh...december?

[sturdy sable]

Most ive done is 6k on a DoS but thats mostly pad

[strong forum]

Hoa and mists is obv close to 6k

[modern brook]

highest ive done was 5.3

[strong forum]

NW doesn't count

[modern brook]

but it was a NW 10

[sturdy sable]

NF ofc

[modern brook]

and it doesnt count

[iron forum]

On low keys you might be able to do more but higher you get the more you need to invest in ip and kite

[sturdy sable]

Naw

[modern brook]

turns out its easy to pad when u can just pull the entire necropolis w/ orb + spear

[sturdy sable]

Atleast not a 15 lol

[strong forum]

Nice

[sturdy sable]

Shoulda beat the lock

Shame on you

[strong forum]

Dps not doing 9k

[jagged pier]

it was a while ago that screenshot

[strong forum]

The lock I can understand

[ionic fern]

I haven't seen a DPS do 9k ever i think.

[strong forum]

Cuz warlock is just sad

[ionic fern]

😂

Atleast not in my groups.

[iron forum]

10k or riot in mists

[strong forum]

10k is only for good people

On fort

[jagged pier]

then im never gunna be good

[modern brook]

IDT i can hit 10k overall

I'm happy when i hit like 6.5

[strong forum]

9k should be doable for a good firemage

Or fury

[iron forum]

10k is only doable with a good route and clean play, tbh you'll never hit those numbers in pugs. I do 10k in mists with my group but like maybe 8 in pugs

And that's at 230

[chilly brook]

I'm happy with 7k as fury

[jagged pier]

🤔

[chilly brook]

But that's assuming I don't rip aggro and die lmao

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[iron forum]

I can hear untouchable playing in my head just looking at your pfp lol

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/emote-catjam-jpbnoe3UIa8TU8LM13

[still pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/846480516495441970/tenor_8.gif

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/846480516495441970/tenor_8.gif

[rancid ember]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-kiss-gif-18203094

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek2-fart-air-wind-gif-16407943

Oops missclick

[modern brook]

i think thats right where it belongs

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[ocean bloom]

for sire mythic whats better leggo for prog? wall or reprisal, im see strengths in boh

im leaning toward bolster + wall

[jagged pier]

u can play what u want

im playing rep and AM and feel perfectly fine

the boomkin in my guild who hasnt played warrior since glad stance will side with u because more ppl in logs are running it

[ocean bloom]

can you get 2 shield walls in p3 with rep + AM?

[jagged pier]

its the same cd as the wall and bolster

so yes

both leggo and talent choice make SW cd ~1:30

[fading quiver]

anyone have any hot tips what our haste/vers spread should be in raiding? Been focusing on pumping haste only but vers is lacking.

RL says i need more

[sweet summit]

there is no set amount of any stat you need