ah ofc; i haven't got the legendary yet
#protection
modern brook
even w/o leggo open with revenge if you dont have a spear / aa / ravager to snap threat
or just be very far ahead of your team so you have time to TC -> other stuff to hold it
drifting oasis
ah right; revenge is more threat trhean TC?
modern brook
threat == damage
sweet summit
Its more damae so yeh
modern brook
well
its damage times like
uhhh
4?
now?
5?
for tanks
they get a multiplier to help them hold it
IDK what its at
in legion it was 10
sweet summit
No idea lol
modern brook
but regardless its a flat number
so u can just ignore it and understand it "should be more than all your dps"
drifting oasis
ok thanks; more damage = more threat; but buffing/debuffing doesn't generate threat, thanks ๐
modern brook
exactly :^)
flint tiger
is sire's trinket considered "weird" shield?
flint tiger
the sanguine vintage, 1min cd absorb for 17.3K
modern brook
or that leap resets the CD on ur taunt
flint tiger
and if you have any absorb left, it heals you that amount x2
modern brook
the sanguine vintage, 1min cd absorb for 17.3K
i think @patent osprey really likes that
Or something?
IDK if its better than scale/ al'ar
Personally i'd just run more damage
flint tiger
believe he only uses cause ilvl and doesn't have a high scale i think
sweet summit
Feel like vintage is straight up worse than scale, other than the shorter cd
Less absorb, doesnt do damage
The "heal" is irrelevant
modern brook
yikes
flint tiger
obviously i prefer alar/scale
but both trinkets are myths and don't exist in my world
/cries
idk how many more DOS runs i can take
modern brook
smh u havent felt true pain until you try and gear for agi daggers :/
flint tiger
pls don't hurt me
modern brook
i like dos cause muezala goes
"I WANT DEM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOULS"
and i vibe with that
note: i cant spell anything in that dungeon
flint tiger
lmao
devout parcel
any recommendations for a race that i should go for as prot? I wanna try one for m+ and as far as I read is blood elf and taurens, but i definitely dont wanna play blood elf
sweet summit
i always go for looks :)
utility>looks>dps>other shit
altho vulpera is quite good if you want to pad hps
devout parcel
imma go for tauren then
sweet summit
sounds good mate
modern brook
the fuck do taurens bring to m+?
modern brook
๐ฌ
aight i guess
I would say warrior doesnt need more stuns, especially prot.
but i guess i have no real response to what to use instead
nvm i do: its orc
flint tiger
wrong
the correct answer is dwarf
wish the player base was more alliance favored instead of horde /sigh
modern brook
dwarf isnt even the right answer on the wrong faction smh
flint tiger
how dare you
modern brook
because I'm RIGHT ๐
modern brook
drowsy pond
Quick question, if Iโm playing a zandalari troll, does it matter which loa I choose for tanking?
modern brook
Quick question, if Iโm playing a zandalari troll, does it matter which loa I cho...
just go paku
or if you're cool
gonk
drowsy pond
Thatโs what I thought
modern brook
glad this can be posted again
drowsy pond
gonk
chilly brook
^
Too bad he plays alliance so he doesnt know good looks even with that statement
Jk jk plz no flame
sweet summit
true true
amber herald
dorf
flint tiger
dwarf master race. glorious ground clipping
signal plover
Iz how we dig hole
limpid star
If I wanna run seismic would that be the time to swap to BV/HR type stuff or would I still want to use BSC?
modern brook
P sure u still use BSc with seismic since u don't care about anything but damage if ur using seismic
jagged pier
u run BSC and AM
limpid star
Makes sense
Mostly was wondering if it was worth it to consider options for making up for "lost" SB uptime relative to reprisal
Thanks
limpid star
๐
jagged pier
it is
signal plover
Why else run seismic other than for dmg memes
modern brook
Idk if seismic is even ahead of reprisal
sweet summit
it is
devout parcel
wait guides actually suggest new taurens over old ones, does it make that much difference?
sweet summit
idk i think the og taurens look better
modern brook
Impact is negligible
modern brook
idk i think the og taurens look better
What if I told you one of the horn style for high mountain was called "wide load"
jagged pier
Play night borne If u wanna
no u dont play that
sweet summit
thats cool i guess
static bronze
Finally got reprisal. Boots or pants? I think pants give slightly more stats?
jagged pier
yes
static bronze
190 because thats all the soul ash I have - been playing my war for 3 weeks and was locked out of getting to twisting part of torghast due to quest timing so ive crafted 1 legendary a week for 3 weeks lol
serene pine
same, im gonna go all in on reprisal though i think
think i can get rank 3 this week
but maybe i should get a pvp legendary for more great vault choices
static bronze
Yea i made the bladestorm gloves week 1, then the wall, now this. All in on reprisal for me as well
serene pine
is that the best legendary for arms?
ionic fern
Moral of the story..do as i say not as i do.
solemn magnet
Thats way too real.
sweet summit
do as i say, not as i do
uncut flax
sweet summit
@uncut flax 
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Guys tanking low < M+5 PF in pug. Wanted to do raider io weekly route. Almost all the time pug ppl want to skip canisters / plagueborers and just go left after 1st boss. And do lots of % before 3rd boss... Any advice for these low keys (apart from running with my guild with discord ofc)?
seems inefficient. But bit safer perhaps yeah
for sure inefficient but any group that can actually benefit from the bombs should crush a +5
my take is usually to keep it as simple as possible
yeah problem is complexity of those borer/canister pulls ofc... myself included but I do want to practice them!
aye and you should
also there is a portal at the end probably? To go back to beginning for missing %
nop
I'd ignore DPS and just do my own route though
screw em ^^
see that's what I thought, never saw one. Yeah indeed. Stick to the plan. PF seems the most opinion-about-the-route dungeon
prob do a friendly message before key starts about not changing routes mid dungeon
honestly tell em to piss off
doing someone elses route is a mess
im open for suggestions but not in the middle of a dungeon
yeah dps go "no we go left" and pulls one
and I wont do a completely new route either as you will mess it up 100%
luckily most pugs are fine tbh just PF 2 stubborn grps
tnx
safe thistle
its imbecile that think they are doing an heroic PF that goes left sorry but its all really ez and juicy % your talking about at canister area.
your the tank its you that lead and call the shot
if not leave group
sick sentinel
i still dont run double time over bolt with reprisal for dungeons?
safe thistle
preference choice
if you know youll run a dungeon with a lot of caster mobs bolt can be useful a lot
undone verge
balmy coral
By the way I'm not sure if I've done this yet but a big shout out to this community despite me being very stubborn I took a lot of the advice and now my warrior is in the 92nd percentile in all of heroic Castle nathria for top 300 in dps.
Funny enough I had a 218 rogue try to call me out as a 222 protection warrior. He was 9 out of 10 heroic but didn't know basic mechanics on fights and caused us to wipe in this pug several times.
I mentioned how he only beat me on three of the six fights in DPS and the fights he did win was less than 400 DPS and he must have bought his 9 of 10 clear.
He asked me when my best parts on Sun King was and I said 88% to which he replies was trash because his best parse was 96% on his main. I looked up as main which I found a raider.io and he was correct except that was on normal Sun King and his average parse heroic on his 220 mage was 34%....
delicate thorn
they kept telling me to pull more
I had no idea about percentages or paths or anything
strong forum
Funny enough I had a 218 rogue try to call me out as a 222 protection warrior. ...
Not to mention that sunking is a huge meme where parsing well means playing the boss wrong
urban portal
true
i have a 0 parse
im literally the worst fury warrior thats cleared heroic sunking
the joke is i didnt even die until the very end
limpid star
striving for high parses is so old fashioned
aiming for last place is the new hotness
it's like golf, you want the lowest number
strong forum
My favourite screenshot
Do as bad as you can but still kill the boss
Now that's an achievement
sweet summit
cant get rank 1 as fury, so why not get a 1 parse
sick sentinel
Just tanked my first M+, was pretty scary
Yay!!
manic schooner
Not really doing much until 9.1, what covenant should I swap to to grind renown with? Currently maxed out as kyrian and NF/Venth are probably both in the 15-20 range. 0 on Necro
Does 1 of the other 3 look promising for 9.1?
sweet summit
nothing will change as of now
so can just grind nf if anything
its a blast to play too, so thats a big plus
yuge damage
manic schooner
I liked NF a lot, but the bleed dispel was too good to not go back for when that affix was up and I cba to swap back and forth all the time
sweet summit
ya true, phial owns on necrotic
manic schooner
And the doggos in HoA
mellow patio
Not to mention that sunking is a huge meme where parsing well means playing the ...
You mean Iโm not supposed to have 100% vanquisher uptime and pad the phoenixes
fickle scaffold
which legendary is good for prot venthyr?
sweet summit
the same as for every other covenant, reprisal/the wall, or seismic if you wanna go glass canon
fickle scaffold
well i do mainly m plus a little torghast once a week so the wall is good over all?
mostly m plus
fickle scaffold
what if i combine raid just for normals that's what i normally do as a tank when i'm maxed out
sweet summit
reprisal is still very good in raids
just a charge here and there and intervene on a random melee or something
tacit smelt
man vault is good this week idk if i should grab a heraldry or a vers shield, none really hinder me cuz my gear is good but i gotta pick one for either raid or m+
fickle scaffold
damn it i want to buy legs or feet runcarving
sweet summit
man vault is good this week idk if i should grab a heraldry or a vers shield, no...
ideally shield, shield is our most important slot
legs is the preferred slot for reprisal
haste/vers generally
fickle scaffold
anyone have a 215 feet or legs legendary craft i'll buy it from ya
sweet summit
are they not on the auction house?
fickle scaffold
lol no
sweet summit
shadowghast something iirc
shadowghast greaves?
pretty sure there is a section for runecarving items on the ah
so like armor -> plate -> runecarving
tacit smelt
@sweet summit running a haste/crit atm the shield would be for M+ but teh heraldry would be for raid parsing XD idk its not really much of a difference for me
sweet summit
is the shield an item level upgrade
tacit smelt
none is an ilvl upgrade
sweet summit
fuckit slh then
tacit smelt
XD
sweet summit
go get those parses
fickle scaffold
got them yes!!!
sweet summit
NICE 
fickle scaffold
haste vers right?
warm remnant
anyone have a 215 feet or legs legendary craft i'll buy it from ya
Server matters
sweet summit
yea
warm remnant
If you're on a diff server you can't trade ya goobs
sweet summit
missive of x
tacit smelt
@sweet summit cant get new parses until we down sire(lockout extended), and my heroic parses are nice as it is so i'm in a pickle lmao
sweet summit
sim it and take whatever is better 
tacit smelt
i'll just go roll a dice and pick whatever at this point
sweet summit
that works too i guess
sick sentinel
quaking devos
MFW
zinc python
any early thoughts on how we look for m+ specifically in 9.1? Would LOVE to get off the dh train
mighty valley
Flee
ivory coral
even with block up they touch me once and im 10%
mighty valley
That seems a bit much... is the beasts cast getting off?
or are you facetanking with a bunch of bleed stacks?
ivory coral
no beast going off, but 3 of them at once
after echelon
maybe 10% is exaggerating a bit, but it definitely makes me run for the hills even getting near them
mighty valley
yeah that's usually just about trying to get threat with cds up and then kiting
also it's ok to cc something there
if you're ahead on time
ivory coral
too used to just going in there with incarn on my bear and going ham i guess
i wonder if what happened was, i had kited them for a bit and then went back in to build some threat so they all used the jaws of stone thing at once and just demolished me
sweet summit
You can block the jaw, so the initial hit shouldnt be that bad. But the bleeds fuck
ivory coral
yeah in that dungeon i basically never use the kyrian phial for anything but dog bleeds
sweet summit
Usually have to run a few circles on that pull yeah. Just bring boomkin for trees 
ivory coral
there was a boomkin in the group he didnt trees once the entire key
sweet summit
ivory coral
I also feel like i get destroyed on the shards too compared to the druid. Not so much by the shard as the obliterators
if pulling all 4 together
ivory coral
well, at least i'm having more fun playing warrior
sweet summit
Using voice and calling cc/kicks will make a big difference as warrior
But remember to abuse spell reflect!
ivory coral
reaping scythe 
sweet summit
Thats the dopamine, right there
ivory coral
ignore a tank buster and do big dam? Yes yes yes
ivory coral
i think that choice just comes down to if you feel like you want more haste or not
high folio
i think i sit at like 15% haste rn
high folio
but im only at like 16% vers so im kinda low
ivory coral
just play into the fray, endless haste
sweet summit
In raid sure
high folio
rav so much better in keys thooooo
sweet summit
But in m+ ravager is running laps around itf
ivory coral
i think i would have run ravager if i didn't have spear, but idk. Still a prot war noobie
sweet summit
Anyway, ilvl>haste>vers>mastery>=crit defensively
high folio
yeah thats what im thinking
sweet summit
You run ravager regardless of covenant in keys
sweet summit
Oh you havent jumped on the nf train yet?
ivory coral
i saw nerf running ravager and andybrew running itf, both seem to work idk. Definitely going to give ravager some testing as well to see how it feels
sweet summit
Itf works well with HR, ravager works well with AM/bolster
But itf+hr is overkill as fuck, and you do negative dps
high folio
what HR again
high folio
prob why idk what it is
ivory coral
shield slam extends shield block by 1s
sweet summit
Its great for what it does, but its just not needed
sweet summit
Nah, punish is just worse than devastator pretty sure
ivory coral
do people running punish just sit and spam devastate all day or do they just forget that button exists
high folio
who the fuck wants to use devestate
sweet summit
Devaststor is more damage and more rage
high folio
punish is the more defensive option i believe
sweet summit
The extra rage offsets the defensive value of punish for more ip
sweet summit
Ya
ivory coral
how much should i be ignore paining anyway, like on the shard double pull i mentioned earlier do you guys just sit and blast ignore pains to live? I'm mostly revenging with a little bit of ip
i know that's a very "it depends" kind of question
high folio
it kinda depends
but keep in mind it only stacks up to two times
the absorb wont increase passed two casts of IP
sweet summit
I dont do very high keys, i use IP as an off gcd rage spender to avoid overcapping mostly
high folio
gotcha
sweet summit
Its a mediocre defensive button compared to shield block/shield wall, but it holds great value in the pulls you mentioned
high folio
yeah typically you want to use it p often when actively tanking but if i have all my cds going and rav down ill only cast if its gone
ivory coral
alright, that makes sense
sweet summit
So like, use the minimal amount required to survive
high folio
in that pull i usually mount pull it pop demo, ava, and toss down ravager
i use a lot of rage in defensives while im rounding it up
then i can use more on revenges
sweet summit
Because your #1 priority is to survive, but once thats done you wanna do damage
high folio
more or less
balmy coral
Why are top prot warriors still running booming voice over best server cold? I was looking at other warriors in my parsing bracket and I'm the only.one running BSC. Also I see ITF over ravager even on multitarget fights and a majority are running the wall over reprisal? Specifically look at sludgefist.
strong forum
BSC is not a dmg gain on ST over BV
BSC is only better on multitarget
People running ITF over ravager is because its a dmg gain over ravager in most scenarios in raid
People running wall over reprisal are just lazy
balmy coral
Well, BM gives you a 20% damage boost with a 20% uptime. BSC gives me a 20% damage boost to 30% of my damage. Ravager sims about 30 dps higher ST for me though
NVM, revenge is 20-25% of my damage so I can see that.
thorn knoll
Why are top prot warriors still running booming voice over best server cold? I w...
Thatโs specifically for sludge. Using booming voice for the pillar gives you better burst during the damage amp window
chilly brook
Why are top prot warriors still running booming voice over best server cold? I w...
depends on the fight and your character
haughty sleet
17k m sire wipe kill me now
hazy sinew
Anyway, ilvl>haste>vers>mastery>=crit defensively
is there any mandatory percentage for haste?
radiant oxide
for mythic+ is reprisal vs seismic rever? wich is better for pure dps
sharp mesa
I think seismic is better pure DPS, reduced cd makes it better
But survivability is reprisal all the way
brittle owl
if only there were pins explaining this
olive cosmos
@balmy coral Hi, i'm on that list somewhere. BSC only good for consistent AoE situations. SLG, council (to cleave adds for parsing), and sun king which doesn't count. So really only SLG and council. Booming Voice so much better to line up with burst windows and avatar. Also gives you the extra 40 rage which is huge. Key to parsing is to be as greedy as possible with your rage so it keeps you from getting raged starved as an added bonus
sharp mesa
Lol first time I ever looked at pins here, but I think it says the same thing I did
brittle owl
olive cosmos
also got my first rank 1 parse tonight boys and girls ๐
sharp mesa
But seismic rev, thatโs 9.1 Leggo right? Or talking about the conduit?
brittle owl
did it hurt @olive cosmos
sharp mesa
Huge @olive cosmos
brittle owl
was refferring to your python dick but ok
olive cosmos
lmao
jagged pier
the one with haste
tardy sequoia
even if -23 crit?
ionic fern
even if -23 crit?
There's honestly no wrong answer.
Both are solid - i would also take the one with Haste/Mastery.
sick sentinel
Behold my current tanking trinkets. Ditch darkmoon, replace with Decanter? Wep and cloak not an upgrade for me
jagged pier
and only one of them have has haste so u take the haste one
jagged pier
thats a nice wep
brittle owl
sick sentinel
WTB shield ๐
topaz tinsel
what would you pick for tanking purposes, 226 chest(crit versa), or 220 raid shield
sick sentinel
thats a nice wep
got axe of the deadgrove, also haste vers
jagged pier
got axe of the deadgrove, also haste vers
yer but what ilvl is it?
jagged pier
what would you pick for tanking purposes, 226 chest(crit versa), or 220 raid shi...
shield
topaz tinsel
despite 36ilvl upgrade on chest?
topaz tinsel
ionic fern
how do you sim tanking? only by playing it
Sim for damage via raidbots
sick sentinel
yer but what ilvl is it?
210
sick sentinel
yer but what ilvl is it?
both 210, axe slightly more haste even
jagged pier
then its fine just if your wep was lower ilvl u take the wep regardless of stats
sick sentinel
so ditch darkmoon trinket, replace with decanter I would say
tardy sequoia
Sim for damage via raidbots
oh dang, thanks!
sick sentinel
hehe I know ilvl before stats, but perhaps ilvl cant beat this socket + haste in this case. Or is the +str +stam still worth it...
sweet summit
7 ilvl definitely beats a socket on a helmet
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
sick sentinel
vapid lance
7 ilvl does not beat stats thou on that helm .
jagged pier
it does
sick sentinel
yeah will keep it for upgrade later on
sweet summit
7 ilvl on any armour piece beats any stats
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
subtle tulip
All I need is a 226 scale, wep or shield. Instead I have gotten the for FOURTH week Viscera of Coalesced Hatred in one of my 226 slots with each week either avoidance or leech on it. GG Blizz. /rantover
F
sturdy dawn
Is hymnal a decent trinket for prot or nah?
sweet summit
It does extremely good damage for some reason
sturdy dawn
Yes ik scale and all but my prot is two IDs old
blazing condor
hopefully people will actually try and do keys this week
im coping with the fact that you need to get good at tyrannical weeks for blizzard's rio system
rigid rock
Is this Trinket any good? Main fury and trying out some tanking in M+, currently running SLG + IQD since i only have DD Trinkets ๐
jagged pier
no
rigid rock
kk ty
tawdry dirge
still bit torn about my race on my warrior, what is the best defensive value race,... apperently highest simming dps race is DI followed by Human and KT
blazing condor
whoever said it first
what race you like the most > vulpera /dwarf > etc etc
tawdry dirge
why is dwarf defensive better then DI?
tawdry dirge
but DI can remove bleeds too and has some lower physical dmg take
jagged pier
i dunno i can only tell u what ppl say i dont play the shit faction cant give u the details
๐คท
tawdry dirge
dark iron dwarf
blazing condor
ah yeah thank you
blazing condor
o shit its actually more like 8 years
lazy me didnt wanna level when mop came out (even though it was 5 levels???) and i went panda cus free rested exp
or something
idk i was a kid
orchid frigate
damn it, why is it so hard for me to keep off playing my alts? i only want to focus on 2 chars but then i play on 6
the closer i get to reset day the more i become "maybe i should just do a key for GV"
misty charm
And here i am having a hard time doing keys on my main.
casual
fresh belfry
solo or?
strong forum
lazy me didnt wanna level when mop came out (even though it was 5 levels???) and...
Those 5 levels still took the same amount of time as the 10 levels from other xpacs
Back when I was more casual it took me 16hrs on average from xpac to xpac, basically every expansion
I wished it wouldve been 5 levels for every xpac tho, they're arbitrary anyway
blazing condor
truf
and leveling through MoP was a great experience anyway tbh
finally getting into those golden gates at the vale and BAM go do your dailies for the rest of your life
fallow jasper
I get dwarf, but why vulpera?
cold parcel
damn lads, didnt expected torghast to be this fun in just layer 8, idk how twisting corridor be now
strong forum
If you subtract the time waiting for login and me waiting for 30min in the maw it was like 8hrs for us I think
@still pagoda
ocean parcel
damn lads, didnt expected torghast to be this fun in just layer 8, idk how t...
u will lose this shield in 1 hit in twisting corridors
jagged pier
finally getting into those golden gates at the vale and BAM go do your dailies f...
cant wait to do my dailys in tbc
blazing condor
blazing condor
I get dwarf, but why vulpera?
Vulpera healing with Nose for Trouble
jagged pier
โ๏ธ its like 8%-10% of damage u take in a dungeon converted to healing
fallow jasper
isn't nose for trouble an absorb?
sweet summit
Ye
fallow jasper
confused a bit there
jagged pier
absorb count towards healing
but u can take it the same way
8-10% of damage taken is absorbed
fallow jasper
ooh
sweet summit
sweet summit
errant leaf
Uwu
strong forum
sweet summit
blazing condor
smug vulpera
smug vulpera
misty charm
i kinda wanna be a vulpera for nose for trouble
but that would mean
being a vulpera
sweet summit
yeah the downside is way to big compared to the upside
fallow jasper
hey, don't knock it
honestly I like their melee animations more than blood elves. that silly jump to attack with a 2h looks dumb
ivory coral
war stomp gang
strong forum
I like vulpera
I thought they were gonna be a meme race but I unironically like the tmog and animations
And I'm just used to playing small races cuz of playing dwarf for 12 years
shadow summit
Not playing panda 
fleet river
Anything But An Elf
fierce field
i tried playing vulpera in both bfa on my monk, and leveled my warrior as vulpera. the Darkfathom fight in Siege of Boralus made me change my monk away, and those stupid lily pads in DOS Ardenweald wing made me change my warrior
safe thistle
vulpera can drown in ardenweald
sweet summit
good
vapid sage
can I have someone bring me to layer 3 tc if I've only done layer 1 myself?
vapid sage
and/or is upper reaches this week for reprisal
iirc its upper reaches anyway that drops reprisal
strong forum
I mean just open the map
tropic otter
and/or is upper reaches this week for reprisal
Yes, upper reaches is up this week
vapid sage
Yes, upper reaches is up this week
pog
honest plinth
and/or is upper reaches this week for reprisal
It doesnt matter you can get it every week
past grove
Thoughts on this? It sims ridiculously well but I never see it mentioned anywhere. Might squeeze it in for raid atleast.
jagged pier
its not too bad
signal plover
OPC gets mentioned for parse useage on occasion
jagged pier
its gives crit which is our highest simming stat
but i think in practice phial and dreadvesel do more
past grove
Currently running 220 scale & phial for raid. No luck on the vessel yet
jagged pier
will be better than scale for dps
actually in general it will be better than scale
the only boss ive used scale on it danny
just because i want progress to be over and i dont care about dps at this point
past grove
1min 30 cd lines up nicely as well ( Aftershock goes brrrrr)
modern brook
I mean just open the map
modern brook
but i think in practice phial and dreadvesel do more
this bascially
OPC is good but not phial good
and its on use ๐ฆ
woeful harbor
what is better Best Served Cold or bboming voice ?
strong forum
Yes
BSC for everything that includes multiple targets
BV for raid(except a few bosses)/St
woeful harbor
i think bv its the better option for allround dmg
jagged pier
depends on the leggo your running
if your runnning the wall yer sure
if your running reprisal no
modern brook
p sure bsc still beats bv on damage w/ wall
woeful harbor
i running reprisal
but in dungeons you have bosses and bv make more dmg on bosses
but the dmg is really same in the end of the dungeon
modern brook
but in dungeons you have bosses and bv make more dmg on bosses
- not necessarily 2) when 30 minutes of a 40 minute dungeon is bosses, we can start caring about optimizing for boss damage
jagged pier
nah cause u dont get all the big revengj procs and u loose out on all the rage for revegjs from reprisal and then if u take BCS Demo dont give u the rage ither so u have far less rage to revengj with
woeful harbor
yeah and bsc dont give revenge for shield block or other def cds
strong forum
With reprisal BV is a dmg loss in m+, there is no arguing that
jagged pier
yah its a big drop in rage taking BSC and the wall
strong forum
Reprisal will net you enough rage to not need the BV rage
modern brook
yeah and bsc dont give revenge for shield block or other def cds
with reprisal, every charge is 30+ rage and a free +50% damage revenge
strong forum
That being said
modern brook
you dont need 40 rage every 45 seconds
strong forum
I did do 5.4k dps in hoa with BV during a boost run cuz I forgot to swap talents
So it's not terrible
But bsc is just more damage
jagged pier
with reprisal, every charge is 30+ rage and a free +50% damage revenge
50% damage if u run BSC
modern brook
Yeah i was refering to BSC not giving [rage] for defensive stuffs
its second hand but it does
woeful harbor
ok next dungeon i try bsc
jagged pier
i mean it does also depend on what buttons u pressing if u never press revengj u aint gunna see much of a change
woeful harbor
i tryet
blazing condor
It should be better to spear the last ad in SOA as he's raging right? or do you lose a lot of dps from people blowing CDs
lofty widget
i wouldnt run soa without a rage dispell... and yeah you lose a lot of dps from not overlapping spear+dps cds
blazing condor
ah yeah you can just dispel it
i may be stupid
thought it was perma
havent done raging in a hot minute
sick sentinel
quaking and devos SOA
wat do
we were doing just fine, then bomb, we all got in, 3 instant dead
blazing condor
should be enough space to spread out properly in the dome
but then again - coordination
coral quartz
hey all, sorry for the question but im starting up a prot warrior and having troubles deciding on kyrian or night fae. I will primarily be doing m+ but may dabble in raiding here and there.
blazing condor
hey all, sorry for the question but im starting up a prot warrior and having tro...
Kyrian is more in demand for group coordination and a strong choice defensively - NF is good utility and a bit better damage
If you're starting up with prot warr i'd personally say go Kyrian
coral quartz
thank you @blazing condor
blazing condor
If you're gonna off spec dps then go NF though cus kyrian is kind of ass for dps
coral quartz
Going to be prot only
blazing condor
I'm kyrian and lovin it in dungeons. Phial is a great potion to help clear debuffs and spear is great for snap-aggro and even helps kite sometimes if needed
sick sentinel
yteh, u cant really die as prot kyrian unless u do really stupid thing
radiant geyser
Hi guys someone have a wa who announce when i reflect in chat for my mates?
modern brook
#ui-addons-manager can probably help. doesnt matter no one reads that shit anyways
radiant geyser
<#365419450054344704> can probably help. doesnt matter no one reads that shit an...
Lul thanks
pearl pike
You could just macro /say Spell Reflect Up! or something similar. Not sure Ive seen a WA to announce it though.
sick sentinel
i use something called RSA (somebody spell announcer)
and so it just links the spell im using, and i can tell it which spells to announce, or only if the spell begins
spice cargo
hello, how much % your uptime for shield block is after m+?:)
signal plover
Should be 80+% for effective uptime (meaning percentage of melee blocked)
Gotta log the run to find that number tho.
spice cargo
ah i see hm:)
flint tiger
Hi guys someone have a wa who announce when i reflect in chat for my mates?
I think I've seen Plka use a similar weakaura for whenever he uses SR. His twitch might have a command for his weakaura. Even then, I would think it'd only work if your team has the WA too
But it you have a squad, wouldn't you just be able to say you're reflecting in comms? Lol
lofty widget
even that doesnt work... trust me
flint tiger
Time to find a new squad lolol
distant crystal
Some groups you just have to wait until everyone's kick is on CD lol
still pagoda
If you subtract the time waiting for login and me waiting for 30min in the maw i...
heh, i was too slow then
distant crystal
but in those groups that's usually right after the first cast kek
still pagoda
iron forum
But it you have a squad, wouldn't you just be able to say you're reflecting in c...
I dps with a prot pally tank, I just assume my reflect is gonna get kicked no matter what
flint tiger
Are you talking about trying to reflect a cast while you're dps?
If you are, damn son you trying real hard.
sick sentinel
also
flint tiger
Esp. With a prot pally as your tank ๐คฃ
sick sentinel
where do i find teh weapon on spires if i go left instead of right after 1st boss
i normally go right
strong forum
its somewhere on the sides between packs on the L shaped islands
1st or 2nd island cant remember
before you jump to the platform to the 2nd boss
is a blue circle, very easy to miss tbh
iron forum
Are you talking about trying to reflect a cast while you're dps?
it can be huge, even as dps lots of things are big reflects like wracking pain or explosive anger. i even taunt off my tank for big reflects like shadowcore and reaping scythe
sick sentinel
strong forum
there or there i think
one of the 2 red circles
havent been in there in months so i dont know exact spot myself
sick sentinel
yh, i'm going to the left with the 1 giant route
strong forum
same positons but mirrored over there
blissful isle
Do you have to taunt before he starts casting shadowcore? Or can you do it during the cast
strong forum
before
safe thistle
yah it can mess big time if ppl stay too high on the stair
sick sentinel
plus doubl giants pack
safe thistle
you got it on both side
safe thistle
well lizard + giant can be as tricky if you dont reflect and no interrupt
they stack can ramp up quick
i did both side and i started left too
moved to right afterward
tyrannical anyway not much issue on trash
make sure you have a pride for second boss
iron forum
Do you have to taunt before he starts casting shadowcore? Or can you do it durin...
Yeah before, with trash mob ability timer weakauras its pretty easy to do though
Same with boss abilities I reflect for.my tank like reaping scythe or slime injection
misty charm
friends, defense whise what is better: 226 ilvl ring with 126 haste and 90 crit or 220 ilvl ring with 147 haste and 60 mastery ๐ค
i suppose higher ilvl one but im not sure because its ring
safe thistle
for ring ilvl = only stamina though so its best to have optimal stat on them when the ilvl difference is that low
sick sentinel
sweet summit
safe thistle
gratz
mighty egret
hey guys is there anyway to track crit blocking in details in a m+? or only through logs?
turbid gazelle
Is ITF + Heavy Repercussions a thing now for M+?
sweet summit
only for the highest of high keys
turbid gazelle
Interesting.
I assume it is to maximise effective SB uptime to avoid getting one shot, at the cost of considerable damage?
waxen ice
What addon or weakaura is being used?
sweet summit
I assume it is to maximise effective SB uptime to avoid getting one shot, at the...
yah
void stump
`Korayn the prot boye?
sweet summit
korayn slaps
sweet summit
ya thats perfect
korayn is more damage
burrs is better on ST/bosses you cant reliably proc first strike
void stump
kool
sick sentinel
What addon or weakaura is being used?
gotta go fast, it's a lesser known m+ tracking addon
i use it because it shows to 3rd decimal place of ur timer so long as u don't have to re-log/load
it stores your best times supposedly too, when you killed what boss
waxen ice
gotta go fast, it's a lesser known m+ tracking addon
Coolio thanks
cinder nova
Bloodmallet says mik is the highest DPS bind so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
For AOE/cleave, anyway.
But it's like.. a teeny bit ahead of Korayn
high folio
how are prot warriors shaping up to be in 9.1?
id imagine w haste values going up we are gonna start getting p strong
fringe marten
Anyone else have the occasional issue where you can't charge back to sire Denny in phase 1? I thought it was having too few stacks and not going high enough..thought it was being clipped into his hitbox...none of that (the stacks thing is true though but not on the first 2 cleanses)
But sometimes...charge just won't do~ I do not get it.
@sturdy trench I kinda' wanted to try mikanikos for M+ because the +Stun when getting low hp seemed like a really cool synergy (if you also used the knockback but you lose a damage conduit)
but DPS is just too important in M+ and so basicbitch Pelagos is still just better
Griff is that what you were referring to? he'll mess up pulls with the stun or knockback..or just with bron dropping?
cinder nova
But sometimes...charge just won't do~ I do not get it.
What do you mean?
prisma trail
random, glut spike any good?
narrow sparrow
is reprisal the best legendary for mythic council of blood?
sick sentinel
One question, aside from the notion that you dont have many dps running Kyrian in m+ comps (unless you have a monk I guess), are there major downsides to swapping from Venth to NF instead of Venth to Kyrian?
brittle owl
nop
sick sentinel
Kk
brittle owl
losing qol on necrotic and bursting, das it
sick sentinel
Bleh thats fine, its my fourth tank so I just want to try something different and be able to easily swap to playing NF fury in m+.
Might just wait if they make me main Prot in 9.1 since it will mainly be a raid bot, in which case staying Venth or going Necro might be a good call? Idk at this point
sick sentinel
Very true
prisma trail
random, glut spike any good?
bump
rn i j have dps trinks and scale
also thoughts on viscera trink?
jagged pier
Anyone else have the occasional issue where you can't charge back to sire Denny ...
Yes if you charge too early it wont charge
sweet summit
also thoughts on viscera trink?
Spike and vicera are both alright placeholder trinkets
fluid beacon
Hoping someone cal help me. Does anyone have a weakaura that automatically marks Commandos on Stone Legion? DBM only marks Skirmishers. I don't like using Bigwigs and I can't find any weakaura on wago right now. Thank you
frosty ridge
we just have 1 officer/tank with BW checkmark that commando thing. I doubt anyone made a WA for it, since BW functionality is so easily available to everyone, but who knows. my advice is just give one guy promote for it.
tawdry dirge
is there a list what bleeds/poisons and such u can remove with stoneform/fireblood and which with kyrian pot?
mighty egret
ITF with his hammer shit is a lil broken
i feel cracked. just tried it in a key
lyric relic
is reprisal the best legendary for mythic council of blood?
Depends what you mean by best. Itโs prob the best for general use if played properly, though. Itโs not the best damage leggo for it (though itโs second best) but it could be potentially the best defensive one.
sweet summit
seismic
lyric relic
Haha, I tried seismic tonight for reclear and snuck in rank 5
None of the healers complained so I never said anything ๐
sweet summit
lyric relic
btw shoutout to mechagnome racial for taking an auto from an add
Iโm pretty sure they also procced my first strik buff when they ran off and hit a waiter, cause I randomly got first strike at one point
sweet summit
love first strike
misty charm
am i a good boi? i hit revenj so much in my mists +17 run yesterday that i had almost 5k overall dps 
misty charm
but it was with reprisal :<
ionic fern
I bet you sneaked in like 20 IP's.
torn gulch
what ilvl?
misty charm
ugh i think i just hit 221 yesterday?
torn gulch
i want to decide if my 3.7k dps with the wall in the mist is good at 210
jk
ionic fern
The Wall and Bolster? Probably OK with 3.7k
torn gulch
:))))))))
misty charm
i would be too if my dps werent monkeys
torn gulch
oleeee
imagine being so old school i've attracted the ire of a theorycrafter
i guess garrosh was right when he said "times change
misty charm
its a warrior main, not difficult to attract ire here
torn gulch
i'm a warrior main as well
misty charm
torn gulch
whoosh
i'm just the type of tank that first is worried about his main job then worried about dps that's probably why i am old school
i like doing dps thought twilight go brrrrrrrrrr
ionic fern
You can should do both tho.
Be tanky and do DPS.
torn gulch
i am more than aware
let's say it's a issue of skill
plus i just transitioned from being a clicker to keybinds this xpac
i'll work it out eventually
ionic fern
๐
It's a game, play as you wish.
I'm just running around with random talents from time to time cause why not.
With Seismic spamming Whirlwind.
blazing condor
you should play with AM since HR is obviously the best talent right now
brittle owl
SPIN TO WIN
ionic fern
I'm going to do it.
Replace Revenge with Whirlwind on my bars.
Who needs Revenge/DW damage anyways.
sweet summit
mark that with nsfw next time 
misty charm
why does mwahi have a theorycrafting tag again?
sweet summit
noone else wants it :/
misty charm
damn
ionic fern
Take it from me and free me from the misery.
jagged pier
With Seismic spamming Whirlwind.
ionic fern
No you.
strong forum
With Seismic spamming Whirlwind.
keen star
hi how good is haste? is it worth it not getting pieces with versatility just to get more haste?
sweet summit
generally haste is more valuable than vers point for point
keen star
I mean more like if a haste>mastery neck is definitely better than pvp neck versa>haste cuz it'll give me like 100 more haste or something
or should I just sim?
lofty widget
sim for dmg, but haste>vers defensively as erga said
keen star
so I guess haste+vers items will be better than an item with just haste but no vers?
sweet summit
if u have both sin stained and pvp neck at same ilvl then sin stained is better
its the only high haste neck in the game 
keen star
even if it means losing a bunch of haste cuz worse ratios
lofty widget
high haste low vers > high haste low mastery/crit > low haste high vers
for jewelry anyway
keen star
I'm probably very dumb for buying a 226 boe ring then
sweet summit
hot
strong forum
Inerva+dena ring god combo haver here
keen star
yea I'm not getting into an inerva or dena group soon
I've barely been 1 heroic and got to 214.75
with BoEs
this is so much fun after playing bear
strong forum
I recommend getting them, even at 213/220 they're insanely powerful
keen star
I already have 220 stitchflesh and 226 BoE
maybe donny 220 ring would be better than the 226?
strong forum
Very much so
keen star
oh cool
keen star
fml and my impulsive purchasing habits
keen star
I mean it replaced a 168 ring
but I should've just gotten a placeholder M+ haste ring instead
strong forum
But I personally wouldn't run a non-haste ring, if I have the option to do so
An upgrade is an upgrade, and the Ring isn't as expensive anymore is it?
keen star
I think it was around 150k at least
keen star
yea 3-4 +15 boosts
sweet summit
or 1 raid boost 
keen star
not many heroic buyers nowadays.. last time I got only 86k
sweet summit
oof
keen star
1 quick question, in M+ do I go Kleia with 2 endurance and crit?
keen star
his traits seem pretty weak
sweet summit
big fuck mastery on spear
misty charm
big fuck mastery on spear
thats what the tooltipp says
keen star
oh well, my feelycraft was saying 5% crit
sweet summit
imean you can sim it if you want damage
im not sure which one is better for damage
but valiant strikes or w/e is utter garbage
strong forum
Pelagos is more dmg
But the 5%crit from kleia ain't bad
But the 350mastery from pepe is defensively very strong, aswell as offensively
sweet summit
and 5% crit doesnt offer anything defensively
keen star
yea I'm only gonna do weekly content on my warrior like +20 at most
rio push will be on my bear
so yolo dps will be the game
sand condor
anyone been running Reprisal on sire?
strong forum
Alot of people are
signal plover
Yeh
fading heath
hey guys, me as a pwar do i need to play kyrian? cause i already did like the kyrian story line on my ppala. Ive heard necrolord its only good when you have a coordinated group and venthyr is bad idk
drifting oasis
with ST with reprisal after charging do you revenge first or shield slam?
strong forum
Always prio SS
short kiln
@fading heath night fae is perfectly acceptable also
sand condor
nightfae best
strong forum
All cov's are acceptable
Kyrian has the slight edge because its a bit more defensive than nightfae and it fills the kyrian slot for m+ groups
Venthyr is decent St dps, quite bad in m+ except on bosses and pride and is another rare cov, nightfae is big pump dmg, necro is just plain bad to play
drifting oasis
thanks, my idea of macroing revenge to charge was rubbish then
strong forum
Don't macro abilities together
It will do more harm than good
In pretty much all cases
fading heath
i guess im going kyrian again if its the best, its kinda boring doing the same story line but at least its a the best cov
drifting oasis
I tend to macro 3min dps trinkets to 3 min dps CDs when I'm dps'ing
blazing condor
why macro abilities together when you can just play boomie and only need one ability anyway
thin pecan
Without any sims or knowledge, I found NF quite useful in m+ because the stuns help with the fact that none of the dps kick
thin pecan
Not many classes have so many great options
strong forum
Tanks in general are very versatile when it comes to covenants tbh
Cuz they're less dependant on it to do their job the best
Same as healers in the grand scheme of things
signal plover
is it not a pain to weave charges
Not at all, I just picked set points to burn both charges of charge. I just charge remornia/boss at start, duskhallow twice, then cabalists as needed. Weave intervene in between those.
Still figuring out best timings for it in P3.
But it's looking like that'll be mostly charge for movement and intervene on melee bois.
signal plover
fierce field
i may have a problem... since starting to main my warrior a month and a half ago... decided I wanted to try NF, but not willing to change my main... so now I have an alt warrior just to try NF on... and maybe learn arms for an offspec while leveling
sick sentinel
it seems like there are loads of people who go kyrian jus for the potion
polar radish
Just switch on your main man, you can always switch back
fierce field
I do it to cover NW/SOA dungeon buffs for my M+ groups, no windwankers in the guild
jagged pier
I lvled 4 warriors for different covs, but in my stormforged contract to only play warrior i wouldnt recommend it just change cov to test it out not hard to go back
autumn pendant
SF contract lel
signal plover
Doesn't mwahi play bear atm or something
jagged pier
And tbh coming ftom alli and dorf i wouldnt want to play warrior
signal plover
Is your "r" key ok?
signal plover
safe thistle
it must be binded to revenge to wear off like that
signal plover
Jakey boutta be up in here recommending teptisal fot site ptog
autumn pendant
press R to pay espect
strong forum
Ptess T ro pay tespecr
signal plover
Pwarr chat this morning ๐
sweet summit
jagged pier
:catjam :
amber herald
autumn pendant
@sweet summitnice ignore ๐
fierce field
well, i also learn a class/spec better organically by leveling it, rather than slapping a bunch of abilities on my bars ๐
strong forum
Been playing this game for too long to need to do that
But generally that's the recommended way
Just level it, you will familiarise yourself much more with the class/spec that way
signal plover
I learn a class by making WAs for it
strong forum
Also true!
jagged pier
I just slap buttons till it works
Didnt even know purifying brew stacks went upto 10
Then one day i had 10, and was like wow ive been playing wrong
amber herald
you can get 4?
sweet summit
@autumn pendant what
jagged pier
I run double keg smasj leggo cause only one i got and bonebust does the same move again
signal plover
Wasn't necro brm a thing in like beta only?
jagged pier
Its not too bad now
signal plover
I guess for an alt who gives a shit
jagged pier
Cause the dpuble moves still reduce the cd of your brews
But its not as good as kyrian
But its and alt for fun
So why not
signal plover
Yeh my vdh (long may she rest in unplayed limbo) is venth for similar reasons.
autumn pendant
<@237980454651822080> what
dont what me
signal plover
@autumn pendant what
jagged pier
@autumn pendant what
sweet summit
@autumn pendant what
chilly brook
Wasn't necro brm a thing in like beta only?
Basically anything except Venthyr is good for BrM