protection

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

i read that as "do we keep blocking"

[signal plover]

It's ok man u got CTE from being in prot chat too long.

[sweet summit]

honestly i believe it

[fresh dragon]

hello. first time playing war prot this exp. the war prot doesnt have a "filler" spell to add in rotation?
last expansions devastate was the filler but now its passive... so im asking u

[signal plover]

No, devastate is our (very bad) filler.

At low haste you'll have some gaps but it's alright

[fresh dragon]

@signal plover but its passive

so i wont cast it

[signal plover]

It's only passive because of a talent.

But that's my point

Because we run devastator all the time we don't have a filler

[fresh dragon]

ok i undertand... well.. quite...peculiar lol

i play monk and druid and both have active filler

[signal plover]

Yeh, but the reliable SS resets from devastator are sweet

It's like playing a filler flawlessly

U just use the downtime to sneak a smile at the ladies

[fresh dragon]

ehheheeh

😄

[near pewter]

any opinions on viscera of Coalesced Hatered vs Decanter for M+? I cant seem to get a different trinket to drop yet

[sick sentinel]

Hello its been a struggle for my co tank to get the debuff on the platform add at Sire mythic fight . any suggestions? or tips for that?

maybe try a 10 tonight

[signal plover]

Is he a warrior?

[sick sentinel]

Dk blood

well, hes a dk

[signal plover]

And he's doing the add debuffs?

[sick sentinel]

thats problem #1

[signal plover]

It's not, it just takes a lot of effort and external help for a DK

Basically every other tank class is better for it.

Which add is he struggling with?

[kind cloud]

whats the big difference vs kyrian necrolord besides necrolord buffing someone

[signal plover]

If you're a warrior you should be doing all of the leap move/debuff combos

[jagged pier]

kyrian does more damage u tether mobs gives more rage, soulbinds are better for kyrian as u get a choice of 2 instead of one @kind cloud

[sick sentinel]

he can do it just fine with the venthyr cov thats not the problem actually we have 2% wipes on sire but sometime he misses the debuff on the ranged add at p2

even tho he says he is pointing at a straight line

i just like the tether, potion, and tank troops from missions

[signal plover]

Sometimes sire is a real bitch porting over

[kind cloud]

but the surviv is about the same then @jagged pier

[sick sentinel]

main reason i choose kyrian

[jagged pier]

no kyrian is far better for suvival

gives u more rage, and potion

[kind cloud]

gotcha was having someone try n tell me that necrolord is about the only way to go for pushign keys

high keys

[signal plover]

Kek

[kind cloud]

with a group im like are you sure LOL

[jagged pier]

u play kyian at high keys what?

[kind cloud]

top war is kyrian only a few are nec

[sick sentinel]

sire is porting just fine he sees the pain going through but still the add doesnt get the debuff

[jagged pier]

and also the damage increase for the group is like 300 dps or somthing

very bad

[kind cloud]

@jagged pier Im gonna be pushing this prot warrior as far as i can go since being fury is so aids to get into groups

it jsut makes me so sad applying to keys as a fury war

[jagged pier]

dont apply to keys

[signal plover]

The only thing I can think of then is that sire is just a bit too far. He should be on the closer "half" of the platform for the wracking to hit it cuz it does have a max range.

[kind cloud]

@jagged pier i wanna do keys that are not my own xD

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=177278/phial-of-serenity#comments

20% hp potion that remove debuffs off the GCD

[kind cloud]

since i have a limited amount of time and want like certain keys

[sweet summit]

kyrian is the better option if you want to push keys, the dungeon buffs are top tier and spear+phial are really good too

[sick sentinel]

grevious week m+ get to 71% hp, use kyrian potion, removes debuffs, sets you to 91% hp, removes grevious

problem?

[jagged pier]

well you removing grevious twice there at the potion will get just rid of the stacks

if your using it to heal use a hp pot

[sick sentinel]

i haven't worked out the proper time to use it in a m+ run

did that +8 2 chest just now, paniced somehow on gauntlet and died

but we won

cuz it probably doesn't clear everything (rez sickness)

[fleet river]

Phial also cures necrotic on those weeks

[sturdy sable]

NF also cures necrotic as you kill mobs faster with the fat deeps

[sick sentinel]

if you kill it, it cannot kill you

i'm fairly certain i remember it doesn't do magic, which is a ton of dungeon effects, and bursting

because you can dispell magic bursting now, which is good

[blazing condor]

is it still possible to out-range the kaal bleed?

[kindred rapids]

Hey everyone, wich race do you have choose for your prot warrior ? I hesitate to go back vulpera but I don’t know if it’s good or nah
Currently I’m BE

[blazing condor]

Racials really dont matter and you should play what you think look best.... BUT vulpera is the best choice mainly due to nose for trouble heals

[jagged pier]

really doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

no

[versed cedar]

yo i know i asked that yesterday about sire denny
and SB is way more important than IP
but how u guys deal with inerva dot??
like as a brm i was struggling to deal with that
should i IP, or focus on SB even on her?? (cuz tank nots says that theres a lot of magic dmg)

[strong forum]

if you dont go over 2 stacks youre fine

prio SB when tanking something

when not tanking it doesnt matter much to pump into IP, its a healer mechanic mostly, if you have 3 stacks or more, use SW for that and / or call for an external

literally just a healer mechanic

for example, i needed less healing on my pwar than the VDH needed on our kills

[sick sentinel]

I think people sometimes forget that we have healers and don't need to mitigate absolutely everything 🙂

[strong forum]

thats mostly the case when it comes to raiding

its just a dot, entirely predictable and not dangerous in any way since nothing else is happening

literally just a situation of "get healed"

[narrow moss]

Hello, all. I notice that Icy-Veins guide for Prot Paladins highlights the slot/base item to take for a legendary. Although, this is not true with the Prot warrior guide. Is there a write-up anywhere on whether to take the leg or feet item slot when using Reprisal? TIA!

[sturdy sable]

legs if you cant get the legs from mythic slg

[sweet summit]

basically the slot with the highest total value

so

[sturdy sable]

you want the highest stat budget item

if all other pieces are equal

[sweet summit]

Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders

= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak

[versed cedar]

like i know i do have healers, but i died to that on last kill and like i want to handle that better u know, and like "that was my fault"

[sturdy sable]

itle change next tier with available gear anyways

[signal plover]

The wowhead guide actually does an ok job of that for us I think

[blazing condor]

Do you guys taunt-swap on Kaal for intermission? Im doing it right now and i feel like i'm taking a billion damage

[sturdy sable]

legit me and my co tank swapped at 2 stacks for the entire fight but the last phase

[jagged pier]

no the tank tanking her should just cleanse at 2 stacks

[strong forum]

i took kaal for 2-3 stacks on start of intermission, then let my cotank take her for the rest of the fight

[sturdy sable]

many different ways to handle stacks on slg

also changes depending on what crystalizes your skipping

if any

[blazing condor]

Idk we havent gotten the strats down yet

right now my co-tank takes kaal and then takes goliath in intermission otherwise it felt like he was at 3 stacks whole of intermission or something

but maybe he should just go and clear on first crystalize?

[signal plover]

They should clear every crystallize

Lots of ways to tank that boss tho.

[sick sentinel]

so, i never did a prideful before, when it spawns in just taunt it and kill it?

[signal plover]

Yeah

Rally when it's at like 40-50%

[sick sentinel]

what is that about

[signal plover]

Avoid the shooty red crosses

[sick sentinel]

i know about the + attack

[strong forum]

it pulses aoe

that does more and more dmg

[sick sentinel]

oh, so everyone in 15 yards or somethin

[strong forum]

40

you cant avoid it

maybe 100 even idk

[signal plover]

I think it's more than 40

[strong forum]

point is you cant avoid it

[signal plover]

Yeh

[sick sentinel]

so its basically reaping 2.0 with 1 mob and a buff if you win

[strong forum]

yes but this mob can actually hurt and wipe you and you dont wanna pull it into other packs/bosses

[sick sentinel]

still better than infest

infest was horrific

[strong forum]

pride is more pug friendly

thats for sure

[sick sentinel]

yeh, once i learn what pulls trigger a pride, it will be fine

Pride gets kind of stupid in really high keys though, but that's not something the majority has to deal with anyway 😛

[serene pine]

if you make routes in mdt it’ll show you what pack will spawn prideful

[sick sentinel]

i do really like that callings give far more than enough gold to cover nessecary buffs and flasks

grey items for 2k vendor

[drifting oasis]

where does memory of reprisal drop? Is it only Torghast?

[iron forum]

Yeah pride is fine at low keys but it becomes insanely toxic at higher ones

We are practicing a HoA where we skip 4 prides lol, great affix design btw

Nothing screams "interesting game design" like literally killing yourself to avoid dealing with a mechanic

[serene pine]

you can wipe 4 times and still time without pride?

[serene pine]

I believe so. But someone here mentioned you can get it in twisting corridors if you have that unlocked. Don’t need to wait for upper reaches

[lofty widget]

you dont actually wipe, just run away and invis pot when it spawns

[blazing condor]

in HoA people jump off to skip pride

its either 25 seconds to skip pride

or 1 min to kill it

[mighty valley]

i think it's fine if you have to do dumb shit at extremely high keys with the affix

vanishingly small number of people have to deal with it and hey, mixes things up

[blazing condor]

% based affixes are shit tho

i will say

one way to make m+ routing incredibly monotonous

dumb dps body-pulls an extra pack? say good bye to the key

[iron forum]

Invis 2 skip 2, you only death skip them of your pot is on CD or if you would res somewhere beneficial,like dying after killing the last mob in aredenwald DoS in order to port to the entrance

[serene pine]

interesting what level is this at?

[iron forum]

And yeah I think % trigger affixes are bad at every level becuause they pigeonhole creativity

25

Well that's what's we are practicing, better teams are practicing 26 and 27

[chilly brook]

I completely disagree, % based affixes are good because they put everything in your control

[blazing condor]

in theory yes

[jagged pier]

seasonal affixes are bad then and putting fortifed and tyrannical killed m+

dont @ me

[blazing condor]

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

It's not in theory it's literally how they work

[blazing condor]

problem is that you dont have control over everything

[chilly brook]

I mean you do

[blazing condor]

one extra pull and its pretty fucked

[chilly brook]

If someone fucks up they fuck up

And you can always, wipe if its gonna impact your route that badly

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-gregory-house-oops-gif-6118887

[blazing condor]

then you do a dungeon like HoA where you wipe and have to run all the way back

or you just get a pride that spawns in the middle of apack

[chilly brook]

You don't do all your % before second boss?

👀

[blazing condor]

i do

or well

80%

[chilly brook]

Then you literally have no way to fuck up

Unless someone fucks an invis

[blazing condor]

either way % affixes makes routing incredibly bland

[chilly brook]

But you let them die

And then rez

[blazing condor]

there's literally only like 1-2 "correct" routes

because you always have to take % into consideration

[chilly brook]

Bro that's what people said months ago when routes were different

[blazing condor]

idk man i disagree with you on that one

but we're all entitled to our opinions

[mighty valley]

the mdi routes are wildly different from "normal people" routes

[chilly brook]

^

[blazing condor]

yeah cus they pull everything at once lmao

[chilly brook]

Theres a lot of creativity to be had with routes

[mighty valley]

people don't want creativity at the pug level, they want everyone to be on the same page

[chilly brook]

Even with % affixes

[mighty valley]

so the community boils it down, even though you can mix it up a lot with a fixed group

[chilly brook]

Theres a reason why reaping was looked at very favorably

And same with Prideful outside of high keys

Because for some reason blizz fucked the scaling on it

[blazing condor]

we all got different tastes

[iron forum]

It's not about being in control, it's about being forced to plan a route around pigeonholed restrictions which only detract from the creativity you put into figuring out cool ways to run a dungeon

I agree that it is in your control completely

[iron forum]

But yeah this is the biggest problem with it in my eyes, even though I'm not a fan of it I think it's fine in lower keys when killing pride isn't a huge deal

[obtuse marsh]

Affixe like s4 bfa can be cool

[still pagoda]

i would say that seasonal affixes are good

but fort/tyran

delete this shit and just rework scaling

[iron forum]

Yeah, 100%

[chilly brook]

So part of that problem is because while it does give you restrictions it also gives you a benefit when its killed. Which is why it's fine imho. Where it starts to really run into issues is once the benefit no longer is a benefit and is instead a detriment because of how long it takes to kill, how difficult it becomes etc.

[iron forum]

Yeah I completely agree with this, I just feel like it's in this weird place where on low keys the aspect of it where one facepull can screw things is annoying even though the benefit/ cost of killing the pride are healthy at that level, while at high levels where facepulling is unacceptable the ratio of benefit/ cost of killing the pride is now the problem

[modern brook]

Only problem with prideful is the dungeons aren't fun full stop

[chilly brook]

Also I'd say that the biggest problem with creativity isn't prideful

It's the dungeon design

Like Dorki's push route he was experimenting with a month or so ago with DoS was one of the most unique routes I've seen

[sick sentinel]

tried to run my +10 TOP key, did bad after 2nd boss, completed it tho no time

[undone oriole]

please tell me it gets better

[jagged pier]

no

[undone oriole]

im usually in the upper 20s and most dnt break 5 lol

cant tell if i just suck or i have no help

[sick sentinel]

i remember some healer yelling at our DH in shrine of the storm

that he gets more dps for interupting

[warm remnant]

hah..haha... haha... You had 6 external interrupts? You bribe them!?

[safe thistle]

im lucky to have a great resto shaman healer that can interrupt a lot

interrupt on dh is good it give fury

only imbecile wouldnt do it

[still pagoda]

no

usual picture with pugs

[limpid star]

One time I had a ret pally who didn't interrupt a single time and when I told him to help with kicks he said he was top dps so he doesn't need to interrupt

[fading heath]

Hey guys, this is the first expansion I play, but i took a break for like 2 months and came back now. How's the state of prot warrior right now? would love to create one but before i took the break prot warrior was considered by a lot of people the worst tank

[strong forum]

It was never bad

Especially if you're new to the game it doesn't matter what you play

Pwar is in a very solid spot and King of physical mitigation

[white rain]

Reprisal legendary pog

[fading heath]

@strong forum so do you think pwar is good to play rn? I mean i play the game casually not too much like m+ or whatever, because im still trying to understand how WoW's end game is

[sick sentinel]

i still hate TOP and plague fall

i cannot stand either of them, literal any other dungeon

[chilly brook]

There wouldn't be prot warriors killing sire denathrius in mythic or doing 20-26 keys if they were bad to play

[flat gyro]

Plaguefall is only good because you can spell reflect the stomp on first boss and do big dam

thats about it

[fading heath]

@chilly brook ok ty, btw what's the best covenant for pwar? I saw kyrian but i already have a protpala was kyrian would like to try other covenant, i find night fae kinda boring so maybe between venthyr or necro

[chilly brook]

Necro is easily the worst

Venthyr doesnt off anything other than more single target damage

NF is busted for AoE damage and competitive with Kyrian while also having dummy soulbinds

Idk how you could ever find this boring

[iron forum]

If I were rolling prot main I'd go kyrian

[chilly brook]

Kyrian is less AoE damage but offers more survival through pot

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[iron forum]

Vial is amazing and it's hard to find the covenant dungeon buff outside of tanka

[chilly brook]

Well he said he has a Kyrian ret pally in his group

[iron forum]

It yeah like griff said NF also slaps, that's what I am as a fury main and it still feels fine

[sweet summit]

phial 😠

not vial

😠

[iron forum]

I'm here to hit things very hard, not spell good

[chilly brook]

If you're doing 5 man content any choice other than NF or Kyrian is throwing imo unless you need the dungeon bonus from one of the other two

[sweet summit]

id just bite the bullet and go kyrian

[chilly brook]

NF

[mighty valley]

If you’re playing pretty casual you can really just play the one with the button you like pressing the best or the transmog you like

[amber herald]

9.1 nf transmog

[still pagoda]

Indeed

How

Seriously, just play whatever you find fun

[chilly brook]

[still pagoda]

I'm playing holy pala because i find this spec fun and enjoyable

And i played prot warrior for the same reason

[iron forum]

@patent osprey thanks for updated prot guide video, the detail you went into for HR vs AM was super insightful

[patent osprey]

^.^

[safe thistle]

so into the fray is picked with HR cause it make you cast more shield slam aka more seconds of shield block uptime nice video @patent osprey

[amber herald]

ITF with HR would be highest uptime, but my takeaway was you'd still play ravager/HR for threat

[safe thistle]

just ask them to wait for 3 sunders....

😛

but ya i saw some with ITF/HR wonder if they lose aggro even more than the test he made

you can revenge spam more if you got more uptime on your charge/sb/intervene SB just from shield slam

[sick sentinel]

oh right, 1 shoulder option

[tropic linden]

What would be a turtle build? Have some big dps friends but i'm 184 ilvl and would like to try some 10+ keys with them

[chilly brook]

If you're 184, and have big dps friends

Being turtle isn't the play

You're gonna lose aggro

[tropic linden]

Oooh, forgot that was a thing...

Thanks dude 🙂

[warm remnant]

Tortollan's aren't a playable race atm

[chilly brook]

[warm remnant]

I said what I said.

[amber herald]

I'd probably give ravager/HR a try

[late rampart]

@patent osprey hey also love the info in new video. One thing when you were talking about celestial guidance versus lightless force and brought up the defensive value of strength, you mention parry, but forget to mention you get 1 armor per 1 str as well. Love the work, keep it up man!

[olive cosmos]

Definitely picking up seismic reverb leggo next week

[sick sentinel]

i only did 4 keys this week, but better than 1 last week

failed the 10,

[tropic linden]

When is best to use AM, HR or Bolster? The 3 looks pretty good to me

[thorn ether]

how excactly do i read this ?

[sturdy sable]

Raw gain is your total rage gained through casting the spell. Wasted rage is rage that was earned over your 100 cap

Gain is the actual gain or your "net" rage gen

You ideally want 0 rage wasted

[thorn ether]

perfect

[chilly brook]

They're all on paper pretty good. AM is pretty much the default pick for most content. It also kinda depends on the Lego you're using and the content in relation to that. So TLDR m+ you're gonna run AM+Reprisal. If for some reason you want to use The Wall in m+ you'll pair it with Bolster. For raid regardless of lego you're almost always using AM.

HR is a more niche pick and I think Plka put out a video explaining it

[tropic linden]

Oh, i'll watch the video

Thanks

How do u use reprisal in bosses? U can't stun or slow them to run away and charge back

[amber herald]

prio intervene

[near tundra]

any of you off spec dps?

[amber herald]

and you can charge when the boss is casting something

[sick sentinel]

i only get limited valor points?

it just stops giving them after cap?

[grand drum]

Charge before you taunt it (assuming its raid)

[signal plover]

That's generally what a "cap" is

[sick sentinel]

why cap amount of valor points i can earn

or make it a large number if its for the whole season

[grand drum]

Yes, there is a cap on valor. Conquest is capped the same way so people dont get to fully upgrade their gear to max after spamming for a whole weekend

[sick sentinel]

probably gets loosened in 9.1 9.2 i bet

[amber herald]

cap goes up every week too

[sick sentinel]

even if the cap is say, 25k, thats probably still a ton

bonus is it says 250 only to do shields

[safe thistle]

cap gonna reset and they gonna give gold for the one you didnt spent, like any BFA end of season of m+

otherwise they gonna make it cost even more and drop more too thats the other option they did with the azerite armor

[warm remnant]

ehh?

[sturdy sable]

I'd run viscera and spike

But I'd still hold onto heart just incase

[fierce field]

heart is nice when you don't trust your healer in M+ 🙂

[solemn magnet]

2hand weps are 1k an upgrade. You can cap pretty quick.

[sturdy sable]

Trinkets are 400

Cost me like 2k valour to upgrade my scale

[warm remnant]

🤣 Still haven't done NW at all

[unique shale]

versa over ilvl ?

i seen people do it

Any thoughts on it ?

[brittle owl]

99.99% of the time it's horribly wrong

ilvl over everything

don't take this as a putdown, but if dropping ilvl for vers is the play, you would know it

[unique shale]

i see a lot of tanks using Hymnal of the Path and going with 1.4k versa

[brittle owl]

hymnal slaps

even at low ilvl

they are picking it for dps

[unique shale]

:/

i though its for versa

[brittle owl]

what made you think vers was the answer

[unique shale]

when i find out ilvl 220 helmet has 80 versa and give me 1% damage reduction while 226 helmet without versa give me 0.5% damage reduction

[brittle owl]

the 226 helmet has stats as well

that contribute to lowering your damage taken

every secondary contributes to your tankiness

the 226 helmet also has more stamina and more strength(extra armor)

[unique shale]

but only versa contribute to magic reduction

[brittle owl]

the 220 helmet is more than likely giving you less dr than the 226 if you factor in everything

that is partially true, yes. but last time i checked more than 70% of the damage you take in m+ is melee

same is true for raid, albeit with diff percentage based on boss

[unique shale]

well in m+ a lot of my deaths or lethal damages coming from magic damage

[brittle owl]

most magic damage is balanced with the fact that tank's active mitigation doesn't work vs magic damage. Hence, the majority of magic damage is balanced with that in mind, so the majority of magic damage is either ultra telegraphed for big cd's or (most of the time) meant to be CC'd or kicked

ask yourself what's better : reducing a 25k magic nuke to 22k
or
just kicking it and take 0 damage

[unique shale]

shadowcore in DOS

[brittle owl]

just

[unique shale]

SR and kick then gl others kick it

[brittle owl]

hey man, pugging is an assumed risk

you're more likely to play with 4 monkeys than not

[solemn magnet]

You also should save SW for that pull

Cuz monkeys

[still pagoda]

Interrupts, CDs and reflect are your magic DR

Versa won't save your ass at all, especially with BfA super high key levels stacking(for +25 and higher keys back then) not being possible anymore

[jagged pier]

u can also LOS the casts that is zero damage as well

[misty charm]

but

if you LOS

you cant revenj?

[brittle owl]

sure you can

it just comes later

[jagged pier]

u also revengj before

[solar cave]

hey guys, I was wondering, what do you use to track cooldowns uptime: shield block, IP and shield wall mostly ? I'm using Luxthos WA but it tracks the cooldowns only not uptime. Any sugestion ? Another WA on top or some addon ?

[ionic fern]

Are you talking up time as in to show when you have it up? Or uptime as in overall uptime?

[solar cave]

when I have it up

at the moment

to not to overlap SB for example

[median tulip]

I made my own weakauras to track that sort of thing

[vapid sage]

So do you just kinda..dump rage into IP to bridge gaps in Shield Block?

[chilly brook]

Khakhan's WA

[vapid sage]

I know using Bolster you can use Last Stand as a Shield Block charge kinda but thats on a 2 min cd

[chilly brook]

https://wago.io/ProtectionWarrior_Khakhan

[jagged pier]

with reprisal there is very little gaps, but you should use LS/SW to fill the gaps and if u have nothing u spam IP and pray or kite

[chilly brook]

IP is simple

Am I getting my booty eaten?

If yes press it with other stuff if other stuff is available

If no don't press it and press revenj

[vapid sage]

Still relativly fresh 60, no legendary crafted atm but I'll see if i can snag that one when ican

[chilly brook]

IP is kinda incredibly negligible on its own

[vapid sage]

also followup question, what cooldowns are okay to overlap? Like how much is an overreaction?

[solar cave]

thanks, I've been using Afenar WA, I switched to luxthos and I see it has the uptimes as well

[chilly brook]

depends entirely on the situation

[solar cave]

and is overall a better wa set as it tracks a lot more things

imo

[chilly brook]

With reprisal Last Stand is literally kinda a meme

So it doesn't really matter if you overlap

[vapid sage]

Only warrior legendaries I have atm are fury and arms legendaries lol

[chilly brook]

If you're playing bolster you press Shield Wall whenever you need it even if shield block is rolling

Kinda like if I'm taking a 4th hit of Grashaal's mechanic in mythic I'm popping shield wall

ideally you don't panic though

Figure out what's dangerous and what you need to live it

[vapid sage]

I'm not sure I follow

If you're playing bolster you press Shield Wall whenever you need it even if shield block is rolling
Do you mean Last Stand here? Im confused cuz isnt shield wall like our biggest survival button?

[chilly brook]

No I don't, Bolster just gives you shield block during last stand

Lemme give you an example

SLG Mythic

[vapid sage]

I'm confused where Sheild Wall comes into the picture in the context of bolster

[chilly brook]

If I'm tanking Grashaal in intermission 2 and I'm gonna eat a 4th hit of his mechanic and I'm running bolster and had Last Stand rolling to give me block I'm going to hit Shield Wall because block in and of itself isn't going to be enough

It comes into context because you were asking about overlapping CDs

Last stand is a meme

It's only good with bolster tbh

So you just press it whenever you need it tbh, and with bolster you press it whenever you need more block

[vapid sage]

If you're playing bolster you press Shield Wall whenever you need it even if shield block is rolling
so "use shield wall if needed even if shield block is rolling" implying Last Stand should be alredy being used for teh Shield Block it provide too?

[chilly brook]

Shield Wall is supplemental

[vapid sage]

ahhh

gotcha

[chilly brook]

For the most part you fire everything on CD, press Last Stand if you think it might help or just simply want more rage because of the conduit

Unless you're running bolster in which case you basically use Last Stand on CD assuming you're tanking something that can be blocked

And then Shield Wall you use if the rest of your tool kit probably won't be enough to save you

[vapid sage]

so with bolster you literally just use Last Stand as a 3rd Shield Block charge

and just throw it out there

[chilly brook]

basically

or alternatively if you're not facing something that has huge influxes of damage where you know you'd be using Shield Wall there you just use it to cover gaps

Example of a fight where I'd save Wall for something specific: Huntsman specifically Barghast's Rip Soul

Fight where I'd fire it off to cover a gap: Hungering Destroyer

by gaps I mean shield block gaps

[vapid sage]

speaking of hungering, i havent tanked him on my warrior yet, only once on a DK. Do you just laugh at his slam with sheild block?

lol

[chilly brook]

basically

[vapid sage]

lol nice

thats actually one of my favorite parts of warrior tbh

just "This is such a non-boss cuz its scary thing is just a blockable physical hit"

[chilly brook]

I kinda laughed at Sludgefist the entirety of mythic prog

[jagged pier]

same

[vapid sage]

last time I tanked was in legion and I distinctl remember Fallen Avatar and KJ being like non-issues for the most part lol

[chilly brook]

Now I cri at SLG because people can't get this transition into p3 down properly

[fading heath]

guys what's the best expansion / the most fun to level on? Since I didnt play any expansion before shadowlands, ive done WoD so everything but that

[chilly brook]

😦

[vapid sage]

granted ive never done anything at a mythic level but still

[chilly brook]

best is WoD

[vapid sage]

I'm personally a fan of WotLK

[chilly brook]

it's the fastest bar none

[vapid sage]

^ this though

[brittle owl]

it's also poop

do you prefer fast poop or good ol nostalgia trips

[chilly brook]

Idk only poop part is the Horde starting zone

[jagged pier]

tbc was pretty quick tbh

[chilly brook]

All the rest is fine

[fading heath]

ive done WoD on my other character

[brittle owl]

tbc pog

[jagged pier]

got 48 in like 2 zones

[brittle owl]

wotlk pog

legion pog

[chilly brook]

I think TBC or BFA are the second fastest

[brittle owl]

rest are smelly poopy doodoo

bfa is...acceptable

[jagged pier]

only have 1 warrior to go and then its just SL lvling on all alts

[chilly brook]

Speaking of TBC

[vapid sage]

assuming you just slap demo shout on cd even regardless of booming voice

[chilly brook]

I cant wait to spend all of the next 2 weeks rushing my paladin to 60

And giving blizzard $70

[jagged pier]

honestly im probs gunna buy a boost for a paladin

[chilly brook]

Pretty much ye

[jagged pier]

my warrior is 60 already

[chilly brook]

No boost for blood elf

[jagged pier]

im playing alliance

so human it is

[brittle owl]

ew

[jagged pier]

yep

[brittle owl]

not even dorf

[chilly brook]

I've been messing around on beta leveling my blood elf pally

What a nostalgia trip

Takes me back to 6th grade

[brittle owl]

belf starting zone

[solar cave]

does heroic SOO instance save / sharing still works or has it been killed by blizz ? I want to farm Garosh weekly on my plate toons

[chilly brook]

[brittle owl]

literally 12 again when doing those zones

[chilly brook]

I legit would wake up an hour before I needed to on school days to do quests in ghost lands

[brittle owl]

same

[chilly brook]

The music gets me

[chilly brook]

No idea fren

[brittle owl]

the music + the belfs being all proud n shit

takes me back to a time where WoW lore was still fresh and plot holey but had tons of charm

[warm remnant]

Not like now where it is just plot holey

[jagged pier]

it does but its slower and a lot less likely u get the shoulders if u constantly just using reroll tokens

[brittle owl]

now it's like that kid in 8th grade that wants to be a writer but his writing sucks

[jagged pier]

its slower as because u can make a group with auto accept anymore

so u have to constantly log in and out of the chars

[chilly brook]

I also realize how bad I was back then lol

But those mobs in the dead scar in Ghostlands f me bro those things actually scary

[brittle owl]

i had the pleasure of realizing how bad i was during tbc

going from struggling with leveling to wiping on brutallus

and then again when i came back to the game in 7.2 after 7 year break

[chilly brook]

I didnt do anything endgame in TBC

Didnt hit endgame in wow until WotLK

[vapid sage]

I heard a rumor that one of the writers is some sylvanas mega-simp and wrote nathanos to be some kind of cringy self-insert

[chilly brook]

👀

[vapid sage]

re: bad writing

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately not a rumor

[brittle owl]

i had GM call my parents in wotlk to ask them to let me raid

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[brittle owl]

honestly one of the more pog wow moments i experienced

[vapid sage]

what what lmfao there is some cringy fanboy in charge of the writing?

[chilly brook]

There's a literal comic iirc

Really cringy

I think it's this one

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/dark-mirror

[brittle owl]

edgelord cringe at it's finest

they do know how to cater to their audience

[chilly brook]

Nathanos has basically become a self insert for Danuser

[strong forum]

Isnt he into feet

[chilly brook]

Idk

All I know is sylvanas is hot

https://tenor.com/view/svenkersen-sylvanas-dance-wow-gif-15486377

Throwback to when she actually had good armor design

[strong forum]

You mean the one before that

Bikini armor

The real rpg armor

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sylvanas-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-kiss-gif-18695752

[brittle owl]

can't get killed if sustained by horny

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

my

QUEEN

[chilly brook]

Fr tho both versions are way better than whatever abomination they put on her now

[brittle owl]

the real abomination is what they did with her character

[strong forum]

Idc I just want her dead

[brittle owl]

[jagged pier]

she is dead though

[brittle owl]

member alliance blue horde red type of lore

i miss that

[jagged pier]

get rid of factions

so i can cheese as dwarf

[white rain]

cleave her in half

For Saurfang

[jagged pier]

again we have teamed up to do somthing

[strong forum]

Remember when lore somewhat made sense

Aka pre-bfa

[jagged pier]

wheres the faction war?

🤔

[brittle owl]

lore made sense pre cata

cata was the beggining of the end for wow lore

[vapid sage]

we just had one remember! it lasted all of 2 patches!

[strong forum]

Cuz that's where they ran out of pre-existing lore

And had to make up new shit as they go

[white rain]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[vapid sage]

ran out of preexisting lore and actively running out any previous blizzard employees

who tf is Christie golden and is she even any good at writing?

[brittle owl]

she wrote most of the wow books

and no

she's p bad

literarily, the wow books are trash

[strong forum]

I member when I actually was interested in how the lore progressed and genuinely enjoyed the game

[brittle owl]

wow lore was dead to me when they flooded 1k needles and tanaris

[strong forum]

But then came bfa and i started playing group content....

[vapid sage]

who wrote The Shattering? because The Shattering and the War of the Ancients trilogy were the last books I read for wow

[brittle owl]

she did

[vapid sage]

ahh

this dude was good tho

Richard Knaak

[misty charm]

what do i do to not get freaking obliterated on the big caster pull on the third platform in DoS

[strong forum]

Kite

[ionic fern]

Or have decent dps'ers.

But since that's an impossibility...kite..as Nome said.

[brittle owl]

run bitch

[jagged pier]

just git gud

have SW for the start

then u can los strat the stairs

well thats what i do

[misty charm]

ye thats what ive been doing

[jagged pier]

theres also an urn

[misty charm]

charge in, use everything CD on earth to survive and then jump down the stairs

[jagged pier]

on the 3rd plat form

[misty charm]

ye but for the mobs to get to the urn you need to kick them

and my dps consist of monkeys

[jagged pier]

no u just run down the stairs

🤔

cause los

[misty charm]

ye but everyone needs to los right?

[jagged pier]

🤷

if u catch them fast enough no as scribes and shadowcore will be cast on u

but u down the stairs

[misty charm]

hmm true

then after, the mobs just have to die faster than i do

[vapid sage]

just got an IQD, is it any good for prot?

[sweet summit]

there are better options for sure

[vapid sage]

Trinkets so far are: IQD, on-use pvp, Decanter, Vicera of Coalesced Hatred, and Anima Field Emitter

[sweet summit]

item level is also relevant

[vapid sage]

all 184

[sweet summit]

and you can sim for dps btw

[vapid sage]

actually thats a lie, the pvp one is 177, but their all 184 other than that one

i didnt think sims workd for tank

worked*

[sweet summit]

prolly decanter and anima in general

well

they work for tank dps

but not for tank survival

[vapid sage]

ahh

any dungeon trinkets I should be keeping an eye out for defensivly?

[sweet summit]

scale

[jagged pier]

phial

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

n

o

[blazing condor]

free armor???? 🤔

[sweet summit]

i will end u

[vapid sage]

lmfao

[blazing condor]

cant end what never started

[misty charm]

how comes we dont have a revenj emote btw?

[sweet summit]

lazy mods smh

[blazing condor]

maybe one day

[misty charm]

who do i need to ping? 😡

@ionic fern do the magic 🙏

[blazing condor]

theorycraft some emotes

[ionic fern]

[vapid sage]

the plaguefall trink?

2nd boss/.

[sweet summit]

its the plaguefall one yeah

really good for damage

[jagged pier]

☝️

pumps

[blazing condor]

⛽

pump emote when

[jagged pier]

after scale go for it i recommend

[vapid sage]

oo kk

[jagged pier]

we have

cause we lay pipes

[sweet summit]

ya phial pipes

[brittle owl]

we also have

[sweet summit]

[sand condor]

Ah fuck

I transferred tp horde

Now i have to think about race again

[jagged pier]

panda

join the chungus crew

[sand condor]

But

They’re fat and furry

[sweet summit]

just dont play nightborne and its fine

[sand condor]

.>

So belf I guess

[jagged pier]

:residentsleeper:

[sand condor]

I was thinking of going cow th

[vapid sage]

how does spear compare to aftershock

obv phial is lit

[sweet summit]

less damage

but big burst of rage

compared to AAs slow rage gen

tether is real good in some packs, but knockdown is also real good in other packs so i guess thats even

[vapid sage]

hmm

[jagged pier]

shorter cd

[vapid sage]

so "utility" being equal being the tether/knockdown. its essentailly a question of damage vs rage?

[jagged pier]

spear will gen more on ST

[vapid sage]

obv that changes once soulbinds and signiture abilites come in but still

[jagged pier]

the moment it hits 3 targets AA gens more

[vapid sage]

ahh

[tame jasper]

what's next ids affixes? raging and quaking?

[blazing condor]

yup

[blazing condor]

https://wowaffixes.info works well for keeping track on whats coming up 🙂

[tame jasper]

I always look and MD tools, but always ask myself if the cycle there is correct 😄

[blazing condor]

Yeah i know what you mean haha but it seems all correct now ^^

[tame jasper]

😄

[vapid sage]

Box gods gave me this, is this good for us lmao

i know we wnat haste but thats a lot of vers

[sweet summit]

more stats>better stats

[jagged pier]

it u have a ring thats like 203-205ilvl thats an instant upgrade

[vapid sage]

my rings were 200 and 184 lol

[sweet summit]

ya thats a good upgrade then

[vapid sage]

im trying to figure out if i want to go Kyrian or stay NF before i get too deep into renown/campaing

[sweet summit]

if you plan on mainly playing prot and rarely playing fury/arms id stick to kyrian

[vapid sage]

if dabbling in the dps then stay NF then?"

[sweet summit]

then night fae becomes more attractive yeah

[vapid sage]

Prot is absolutely my focus, might play fury occasionally but i plan on mostly playing prot on my warrior

so i might just go kyrian and eat w/e loss it is for fury anywy

[ivory coral]

also worth considering that literally everyone in the whole world is night fae so having other dungeon buffs is attractive

[fresh belfry]

eating nam nam ...

[sweet summit]

no

delete that

[strong forum]

We have a WA

That automatically spits on someone that says that

[sweet summit]

i should make a WA that automatically kicks someone that says that

[fierce field]

I think I used up my loot luck for the expansion... got BSS and Phial in back to back runs this weekend... now I don't know what to do with myself ><

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Quit the game

[fierce field]

hmm, but I have a guild that relies on me

though... Biomutant is coming out in a week.

[strong forum]

Didn't stop me from killing my guild

My health > Internet friends

[fierce field]

oh, we're very casual as it is, walking dog, chores, etc. much higher priority than gaming, put in all of 4 hours of raiding a week.

[strong forum]

Yuh same but 7 hrs

And it killed my mental

[sweet summit]

cant kill whats already dead :dab:

[fresh belfry]

same + i kicked a pug that wanted to join PTR testing for having the eating WA last week

[sweet summit]

doing gods work

bless

[fierce field]

the eating WA... the blood price WA.... so much loathing.

[fresh belfry]

his friend also had lust detector

[sweet summit]

ya whats the point of a lust detector

is that some boomer shit or

[fresh belfry]

I think it's for LFR raiders so you can kick people who lust trash or denounce those who use it "inproperly" on bosses

obviously because they cant just read the tooltip

[sweet summit]

hmm

[fresh belfry]

at least that literally happened to me once. I lusted on trash and the guy with lust detector told others to votekick me

[sweet summit]

lfr is a wild and scary place

[jagged pier]

i saw this in a pug

i left the group

and logged out for 24 hours

[misty charm]

i bet Erga wouldve enjoyed that

[vapid sage]

Also true

[sweet summit]

@misty charm watch your mouth kiddo

[misty charm]

[blazing condor]

got an officer in my guild who does the same for food, lock-portals, healthstones etc etc etc

[fierce field]

do you have a say in them being an officer? 😄

[jagged pier]

i would leave tbh

[blazing condor]

i cope by convincing myself it's only ironically

[jagged pier]

its not tho is it

[blazing condor]

no no it must be ironic

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

it was ironic last expansion if they still have it now its an issue

[sick sentinel]

ran these keys this week

[sweet summit]

Nice
Even got a 10 done

[outer solstice]

yaay, finally council ded

frieda last works

🙂

[modern brook]

👏 👏 👏

[blazing condor]

Tfw basic and did nikolaus last

[modern brook]

dude lfg yogi

[sweet summit]

Frieda last??????

[elfin nova]

Frieda last???????

[jagged pier]

freida last????

EH

[elfin nova]

Wait what does she even do

[jagged pier]

her raid wide damage is insane

[elfin nova]

What's niklaus' mythic echo?

Attendant?

Ok I'm off my seat

[sweet summit]

isnt that the floor is lava and u have to nuke an add with too much hp

or is that stavros

man

[elfin nova]

Actually I can't get off this seat for another 13 minutes because i just got dosed

[sweet summit]

wild

[elfin nova]

That's stavros

[strong forum]

Frieda last is alot more raid movement

[sweet summit]

what does she even do

[strong forum]

Dodgy puddles

[elfin nova]

She has a spread mechanic

[strong forum]

And some other spread shit

[elfin nova]

Which leaves puddles behind

Maybe

And she learns a tank nuke when you kill her last, no idea how hard it hits

[sweet summit]

looked it up

and holy shit

why

[jagged pier]

ppl be dumb

probs more doable after all the nerfs though

[blazing condor]

i just get ptsd from that boss

SHIMMY RIGHT

[modern brook]

Frieda Def the easiest to just out gear tbh

Speaking from my expert 6/10 experience

[blazing condor]

[elfin nova]

Doubt

You can just kill all the stoneguards now

Do you keep dancing fever and attendants if you kill niklaus?

I don't know who casts dancing fever, maybe it's always there as it's the added mythic mechanic...?

[strong forum]

If you kill niklaus you stop getting adds but the dmg check is brutal on stavros add

And you get omega shit overlap on dark recital + kill add during the void zone event

Just absolutely horrid

We did stavros last on HC week1, and man...

That was hectic

[jagged pier]

we always killed freida last on HC its piss easy

[blazing condor]

nsf on hc is the way to go

not that i really know i havent done hc in ages lmao

[elfin nova]

We did stavros last week 1 heroic as well

Now we do mythic order

Not sure why

[strong forum]

I did HC twice in total, not much to test out there

[strong forum]

Cuz limit/echo did it this way on HC week

[elfin nova]

Oh no i know that part

I just don't know why we do mythic order on heroic now

[strong forum]

Cuz why do it differently

It's easier for everyone involved

[elfin nova]

Suppose so

[jagged pier]

fairs we run it every week for the plebs

and to gear alts

but we dont do them anymore tiers gone on too long

and noone gives a fuk anymore

KEKW

[strong forum]

alts

SL

Choose 1

[blazing condor]

alts

catch me in mop classic

[elfin nova]

Just gear alts in mainraid obviously

[blazing condor]

just play SL private server with full 226/233 gear

[sweet summit]

just play on tr??

[elfin nova]

True

[strong forum]

Play on ptr for free

No sub

[elfin nova]

We should all just play bear on TR

[strong forum]

Get content earlier

Make a ptr guild

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

private tournament realm

[strong forum]

That's what's needed to create a better tournament scene

[haughty sleet]

bets on sire nerfs announced later today?

[sweet summit]

My guess is tomorrow

[haughty sleet]

so close to killing him, be sad if they nerf tomorrow

[strong forum]

Ion has almost killed him or has just killed him, doubt there will be nerfs

Since he's easier than slg

Usually his progress is benchmark for nerfs

[patent osprey]

^ thats sadge

[blazing condor]

Ion killed him on hc?

tbh its more sadge to be worse than ion

[torn gulch]

you know that ion used to be a pretty good player and he still is faily good right?

compared with the average playerbase

[blazing condor]

yeah but he has a job and is busy where as i sit on my ass all day

🙂

no hate towards Ion

[torn gulch]

well he plays the game for a long time so skill is still there

[jagged pier]

u kill the first boss on mythic your already like top 1%

[haughty sleet]

they killed him last night

slg is def easier than sire now

[torn gulch]

he is still not renown 40

that is sad

[elfin nova]

you only get cosmetics for 40 anyway

[sweet summit]

U get epic title

[torn gulch]

yea but he is 39

i feel like one more won't be a problem

[still pagoda]

[torn gulch]

it's like a 5 min quest

[sweet summit]

Its about sendin a message

[torn gulch]

you're not top 1% if you kill first mythic boss more like top 3-5%

[elfin nova]

hey man the lantern is a hard mechanic

[torn gulch]

you have 13k guilds who downed shriekwing

which means around 250k characters

you have peeps downing him with multiple guilds so let's go with 200k characters

that's not top 1%

[blazing condor]

[chilly brook]

Tfw I have 2 alts that are pretty close to being as geared as my main

[strong forum]

I planned to gear my vdh from week1

I didn't do a single key

Hit 60 and then just afk'd forever

[sturdy sable]

I did the same thing to a prot pally

Ended up being a holy pally for fun

[sick sentinel]

i made an arcane mage, then did some lfr

that was bout it

[blazing condor]

vdh kinda boring to play but they got great utility

[sick sentinel]

what is the type for grevious

to clear it

[flint tiger]

As in debuff type? It's a bleed

[chilly brook]

I have a 223 BrM now

👀

[elfin nova]

229/227/220/216/204/level 56

[sick sentinel]

i have a plague fall 9 in my bags

but sanguine grevious PF makes me feel like go jump off bridge lol

[chilly brook]

Damn bro 229 sheesh

[elfin nova]

i don't even wear that 229 i int with my 213 pvp neck

i have higher equipped on my warrior now

[chilly brook]

That sire/slg loot

[sweet summit]

sheeeeeesh

[chilly brook]

I think my warrior is only like 226

Becuz no pvp and stuck on SLG

[sweet summit]

kil

[elfin nova]

attack enemy

[chilly brook]

I'm tryyyyyying

I wish I was dps for this fight

Big baldstorms

[sweet summit]

just play signet

[chilly brook]

But revenj

Reprisal

[sweet summit]

[elfin nova]

looks like I might have to play dh today

[sweet summit]

unluck

[elfin nova]

7 leather vip

😡

[sweet summit]

why so many wth

raid loot omegalul

[elfin nova]

I might actually be saved

it's three different people and they're doing 3 6 and 8 bosses

[chilly brook]

Just get someone else who likes DH tanking as an alt to do it

Or better yet just play BrM, the objectively superior leather tank

[elfin nova]

that is heavy copium

although it depends on the metric for sure

[safe thistle]

is there a tank that might get ahead of other if a second legendary can be equiped at one point ? seems dh one are trash warrior there could be good dps addition

[sweet summit]

probably

but idk who

[safe thistle]

maybe they will tweak the legendary power too at that point

[elfin nova]

druid has a bunch of good legendaries

DK has like defensive exodia but still won't do damage

[safe thistle]

which one warrior would go for

reprisal seismic ?

[sweet summit]

reprisal seismic

ya

prob reprisal wall for fights where seismic isnt usable

[safe thistle]

that could bring some fun back seismic is enjoyeable

[elfin nova]

The Wall and Unbreakable

[sweet summit]

bonk

[amber herald]

thunderlords might come back with two legendaries

[sweet summit]

hard doubt

its kinda dead at this point

[amber herald]

the reasoning behind it is still true, just wasn't as good as others

as a 2nd leggo it might have it's place

[sweet summit]

youd just play reprisal seismic and its straight up better

if seismic isnt playable, thunderlord loses value too and the wall becomes better

[amber herald]

I'm just speculating, 20s demo shout is pretty nice especially with BV

[safe thistle]

ya but you gotta use thunderclap over revenge

[sweet summit]

but u dont play booming voice

[safe thistle]

maybe signet lol

[amber herald]

I'd go signet for the memes

[sweet summit]

until they make it work with our ravager its dead besides the memes :/

[amber herald]

spin to win

[safe thistle]

its supossed to work with ravager ? not prot one ?

[sweet summit]

no idea lol

[amber herald]

no I think the tooltip says avatar/bladestorm for prot

[sweet summit]

supposedly not, since it doesnt

[amber herald]

but we don't have bladestorm

[sweet summit]

ya but riddle me this

why does bonegrinder work

it also says bladestorm

[safe thistle]

i would craft a leaper for speed run

just checked druid one... so good

[thin hamlet]

Is there any addon outside of logging mythic dungeons to see how much % of all melees you have blocked? SB uptime in details is too inaccurate as it doesn’t take into account when you don’t need it up or when you’re kiting for example.

[distant crystal]

maybe one day details will fix their mitigation tab but in the mean time, no, log your keys

[thin hamlet]

Alright. Thank you

[blazing condor]

just gotta do the math in your head

[autumn pendant]

🍝

[sweet summit]

i suppose thats not wrong

[modern brook]

if we get 2 leggos and yall arent running Leaper + reprisal are u even playing

IDK why i replied to that erga

but i did

👋

[sweet summit]

👋

free me

[modern brook]

whats ur raid leaders phone number

I'll call and pretend to be ur dad

and we can go to the ball game

[sweet summit]

i dont know

[modern brook]

smh

no son of mine plays fury any ways

[sweet summit]

oh :(

[blazing condor]

im still on slg

pain

[sweet summit]

5 minutes past raid time

still not 20 peoiple

:/

[strong forum]

only 5?

we had to wait for like 45min at one point

[sweet summit]

for now

[strong forum]

and then pug

[jagged pier]

we just got our 20th

[modern brook]

@sweet summit u pull yet?

[sweet summit]

decided to do other bosses

[still pagoda]

Wtf is going on fir ya?

Severe lack of people?

[blazing condor]

🤔 other bosses

[sweet summit]

lack of an experienced healer for sire