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#protection
blazing condor
brittle owl
no
sturdy thicket
you guys are aslo using extreme ends to prove a point
jagged pier
can u log a run with turtle build and show me how much extra dps your healer got from it?
blazing condor
man didnt you just talk about top players to try and prove your point?
sturdy thicket
my whole point was using what the top players are doing is not always the best
blazing condor
brittle owl
you literally started from using top players as an example
strong forum
Nobody is preaching what the top end players are doing
My guy
We actively discourage people to not play the build
That the current #1 pwar is playing
So idk where you've been
brittle owl
even he discourages it lmao
jagged pier
so your saying as the top players arent pushing damage, you shouldnt do that as u shouldnt use top player as an example so you should push dps in keys
good
strong forum
Because its not useful for 99.99% of players
jagged pier
we sorted
sturdy thicket
strong forum
Okay
blazing condor
if anything that proves that you dont need to be kyrian
jagged pier
^^
brittle owl
nawh fam 1 2 kyr 
brittle owl
clearly he is wrong
strong forum
Okay chaos, since it seems to have been lost. What's the exact point you're trying to make.
sturdy thicket
no i was showing a point if damage it self was so much better and only to fill the slot for dungeons
why are there no nerco lords?
strong forum
Because necro is trash to play
brittle owl
nice strawman
sweet summit
because it does not work well in practice
jagged pier
then they realized it sucked
i told everyone this who came in and asked none believed me 
blazing condor
not to mention they usually push with rogues that fill up the necro slot
sturdy thicket
I only said that to my knowage shaman and dk are the nercolords
brittle owl
i told everyone this who came in and asked none believed me <:sadge:820202363359...
tHeN wHy Is EvErY ToP wArR NeCrO
blazing condor
in the "meta comp" - Druid, Mage, Rogue*, Pala, Tank almost always the tank ends up Kyrian because no other class actually benefit from being kyrian
where as for prot warr it doesnt matter what we play
jagged pier
tHeN wHy Is EvErY ToP wArR NeCrO
nah it was more before the patch and they thought necro was like the second comming of christ and it would make prot the best tank by far etc etc
and didnt believe me when i told them they wouldnt be able to get the buff effetivly on ppl
sturdy thicket
why the * by rogue?
blazing condor
that slot is usually flexed
sturdy thicket
ok
brittle owl
ah yes, the ๐ฎ time before a patch
very few dps are kyr to begin with
can't even think of one off the top
blazing condor
Only other kyrian dps ive played with have been WW
brittle owl
oh yeah, ww
sturdy thicket
well depending on spec you have Nf 1-2 maybe 1-2 venth*
jagged pier
brittle owl
sturdy thicket
i only said that because mage
blazing condor
Mage = NF (Venth if frost), Druid = NF, Pala = Venth, Rogue = necro, Tank = kyrian
thats how you cover everything for m+
sturdy thicket
that is why i said 1-2 Nf if they are fire they are night fae
blazing condor
yeah thats correct ๐
sturdy thicket
i might be wrong but i thought fire was popping off in m+ i could be wrong
brittle owl
and fire plays nf usually
blazing condor
frost is viable though and will be more viable after the patch
sturdy thicket
i mean a frost mage can be a little help in like HoA
sturdy thicket
for anything that needs to be slowed like the bears boar thing in HoA
blazing condor
Good thing they gave mages a lot of spells in general now since fire mage can still ring of frost for example
sweet summit
and nova 
sturdy thicket
nova is great but cone is better if you just want a slow or blizzard
honest plinth
nova is great but cone is better if you just want a slow or blizzard
It seems like you are a newcomer or idk
Try to move out pack from orb of frost mage
Frost is not helping with kiting he want you to stay in 20 orbs
I hate frosts
Fucking TD.....
sweet summit
sweet summit
miss my double rank 1 ineffable...
jagged pier
ineffable :kreygasm:
blazing condor
stopped playing in 8.3 so never got to experience the corruption shenanigans
sweet summit
good
blazing condor
got too fed up with ghuunies and emissaries
blazing condor
yeah i didnt play 8.1 either lol
just did awakened the first few weeks and thought it was hard asf
cus didnt know how to handle tjhem
blazing condor
no
sweet summit
:/
blazing condor
You will take your torghast anime powers and you will like them
sand condor
imagine failing your trial
because ona reclear you gave suggestions to change out some small things in strats
because the raid kept on wiping
sweet summit
epic
sand condor
stuck on innerva for 2 hours
stuck on sunking for a nother hour
not killling xymox in 1.5 hours
i suppose i dodges a bullet
sand condor
yes sir
you do not
but hey
last night a horde guild messaged me said their pwar was sawpping to ele shammy
and that they needed a new tank for 9.1, and said the first reclear of dennis that I'd be in and from that point onward
so in the end it all worked out
sweet summit
sand condor
blazing condor
Selfish me wants my guild to reclear so i can get some bosses done i didnt have already
But i fear we too would get stuck somewhere
primal nimbus
Hey guys, I'm most likely going to be tanking for my guild next tier (was healing this tier but now a tank position opened up) and am currently working with the other tank to figure out which tanks we should play.
He will most likely play a dk. And I was thinking about going warior, but he wants me to go monk, with his main reasoning being that monks have strong snap threath for picking up adds, where he thinks warriors will struggle.
Is this a legit concern or a misconception on his part?
jagged pier
hes wrong
jade tartan
Anyone tried the new dungeon yet ?
jagged pier
and prot now does what monk used to be the niche of, better
primal nimbus
and prot now does what monk used to be the niche of, better
In what way?
jagged pier
well they used to be the kings of phyiscal mitigation on progress
both druid and prot are better than monk with phyiscal damage now
primal nimbus
And you think this will also hold true come 9.1?
strong forum
Pwar is a better monk currently
In every way except dmg output
Monk has a slight edge in dmg output, especially in raid. But defensively warrior is better, snap threat isn't an issue in any way for any tank but druid and bdk
primal nimbus
Hmm okay, i thought the same as you are saying right now, but haven't had a chance to play warrior yet this tier, so just wanted to fact check it - thanks :)
jagged pier
prot warrior is a lot harder to play than monk though
primal nimbus
Is it much different from how it was in legion?
jagged pier
ummm
basics
are the same
but its plays differently
but basics of prot warrior has been the same since vanilla
so
๐คท
strong forum
Ignore pain is much much less valuable now than in legion
primal nimbus
Yea that's the main thing I noticed
strong forum
Your main thing is block now, and the most important
primal nimbus
Yea really love the idea about reprisal leggo, but guessing you don't run that in raids
jagged pier
yes u do
strong forum
yes u do
primal nimbus
Really?
jagged pier
yes
primal nimbus
Thought you run the shield wall one
jagged pier
it can be used on every boss
signal plover
No the two yellows are lying to you
jagged pier
not since 9.0.5
signal plover
These jerks
jagged pier
No the two yellows are lying to you
signal plover
You can def run reprisal or wall in raid :)
What'll be the most fun about running warr for ya will be running reprisal and then ripping threat on every trash pack from the BDK
Just make sure to PM him "HOWS YOUR SNAP THREAT DUDE"
jagged pier
ripping threat in the bosses as well
signal plover
As often as possible
primal nimbus
Isn't it kinda aids with how boss movement works though ๐
signal plover
Youd think so but it isn't
jagged pier
so u can intervene and not move
and move out to charge back before u need to taunt
like u dont ever need to move the boss
primal nimbus
Okay, that is pog
primal nimbus
What'll be the most fun about running warr for ya will be running reprisal and t...
Is it cus we get a lot of damage from shield block?
jagged pier
what no?
sheild block is insane damage mitigation
but with repirsal
u get a lot of free revenges
so in aoe its lots of damage
like way more than bdk
and in any aoe situation/m+ u run BSC
because then repirsal will always give u a 50% increased damage revngj
u dont only revengj when its free anymnore
its a big part of our damage
primal nimbus
Nice, always love more damage buttons to press
past grove
Suggestions? Is the speed worth it?
Vers/Haste or Crit/mastery & speed
past grove
Figured so.
autumn pendant
strong forum
Big true
signal plover
Suck my feet?
fierce field
smell muh finger
strong forum
Smack my f(b)itch up
fierce field
you're a true prodigy nome ๐
signal plover
A brain so huge it might be infected
signal plover
Dorf best
fierce field
sorry, was dad joking on his song lyric reference
brittle owl
same tbh
fierce field
my dog also kept me up all night last night, so my brain isn't firing on all cylinders
strong forum
Brother of the mine rejoice, swing swing swing with me
brittle owl
Raise your pick and RAISE YOUR VOICE
Sing sing sing with me
I AM A DORF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE
serene pine
dang I really have to wait for a random torghast wing to get reprisal?
jagged pier
no
go get it in twisting corridors
get to layer 3
reroll the floor
till u get twisting
do the first 6 floors get the leggo
leave
serene pine
Sick thanks
crimson shadow
if i only want to craft 1 prot lego for m+ exclusively, reprisal or the wall?
lucid lark
Reprisal, unless someone else can correct me there.
strong forum
Reprisal
modern brook
nome isn't a prodigy
nomes like 45
modern brook
too many boomers in this chat smh
uneven berry
Is playing reprisal on mythic sludge int or is it doable?
jagged pier
Is playing reprisal on mythic sludge int or is it doable?
100% doable and 100% better than the wall
strong forum
Sludge is the fight for reprisal
jagged pier
tru
distant crystal
sludge was doable before they made chains giga long
uneven berry
I was just checking cause the guides say it's doable but hard
but i thought it was good as well
distant crystal
now you can just charge wherever ez
jagged pier
i made a video about using rep on sludge before all the nerfs came in
so it was very doable like 2 weeks into the patch
distant crystal
you're very doable
distant crystal
uneven berry
Thanks for the quick reply
brittle owl
@distant crystal the fact that after an entire expansion and a half you don't have a max ilvl bs bis weapon as a pfp is tilting me
distant crystal
Well I was a vdh main this tier ๐ฎ
I did have a 226 pox pfp for a bit
as is tradition
brittle owl
negatorily positive
brittle owl
sublime
signal plover
Ngl I was hesitant at first but I'm loving reprisal on m sire
brittle owl
sounds like you had pump fright
tropic linden
how do u use reprisal on sire if he teleports to the tank?
jagged pier
how do u use reprisal on sire if he teleports to the tank?
lots of adds to charge to
and intervene to melee
loads to do
and charge back on blood prices
so he doesnt move
signal plover
Yeah I'm still mapping out P3 useage but P1/P2 it's real izzi
signal plover
Bolster is comfy there
So I'll keep running that on prog
Especially since I'm doing the jump moves
jagged pier
my dh is doing that
signal plover
Fun trick is doing a butt wiggle when he's porting and he ports in front of you instead of behind
jagged pier
so i get time to recharge
distant crystal
What's the trick to make him rp-walk through a whole pizza slice to you instead of blinking
cause I nail that trick in p1 a ton for some reason ๐
jagged pier
dont move too far
signal plover
Just taunt him
He'll insta port on a warr taunt
And in P1 u can abuse that a good bit since you're prolly solo
distant crystal
best i can give ya is a dh taunt
signal plover
Oh well then get fucked lol
distant crystal
lol
modern brook
it works for girls ๐คทโโ๏ธ
signal plover
Ya I'm literally cheek baiting sire all of P2
distant crystal
signal plover
And he gets intimidated and ports in front of me.
strong forum
Just become a femboi
distant crystal
sometimes i accidentally bait him onto a razor's edge but it feels so rewarding to still hit the wracking right and use my superior dh floatation skills to not fall in a pit of despair
modern brook
not dying after being knocked off is honestly the most swag feeling in any fight - probably why "no path available" is sucha bitch to read
distant crystal
My cotank called for my brez multiple times on SLG while I glided back onto the platform after stone fist lol
thorn ether
@strong forum @jagged pier https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JF89kzYyKbWnvgAw/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3 this is better looking cpm right?
distant crystal
but when he does it there's a bear thrashing softly in the distance
thorn ether
i should have revenged more though 100%
jagged pier
better but i would have presumed your revengjs would be your most cast spell
u still kiting alot?
wow your intervenes are low
and u casted SW once
and LS 6 times
strong forum
Getting there
jagged pier
more casts of SW means more revengjs
more LS casts is more rage
so more revengj casts
more intervenes
more rage
more revengjs
modern brook
and more sb
modern brook
shieldwall and last stand
thorn ether
oh yeah
It was 19 ToP with a unique route and the group had no clue so i spent a lot of time micromanaging the group , wasn't really paying attention to what i did
jade tartan
Anyone tried Tazavesh ?
elfin nova
I used reprisal AM on sire and was going to think about swapping if it seemed sketchy but we one shot it
But like AM gives you basically what the wall would and even whilst not using all your charges you easily get higher block uptime
Does monk taunt snap sire? It doesn't right
signal plover
Nah
elfin nova
I guess being able to guarantee snapping sire across the gaps in p2 is maybe sometimes useful
signal plover
Haven't had a need for it since I've implemented the ol butt wiggle strats
elfin nova
Yeah I'm just thinking if you mess up somehow and jump late or there's a mis-taunt
signal plover
Yeah the only issue I could see is taunt immune
Cuz we found were already riding that DR real close
elfin nova
He goes taunt immune in p3 pretty easily but i can't recall having problems with it in p2
jagged pier
the only issue we've had is the dh taunting the wrong thing before jump back over
elfin nova
Honestly though in p3 it feels like he sometimes immunes taunt because he just doesn't give a fuck about you and cares more about RPing
signal plover
Boss1/boss2 taunt macros were huge for me in P2
signal plover
I mean you still have to engage one braincell to use em
jagged pier
but you only have half a brain cell how does that work?? 
elfin nova
Nah boss1 boss2 is good if you have the binds and want to minimise actions required
signal plover
but you only have half a brain cell how does that work?? <:clowning:745703559202...
Raid buffs get me to 1
elfin nova
Remornia is a melt anyway and just wanders off the whole time
signal plover
Didn't have int one time
mint wind
Hello everybody.
I'm going to start tanking (mythic) sire on my prot warrior soon. I've killed it multiple times / prog'd it on veng dh.
For those who've done it, what tips do you have for going into the 3rd pie slice w/ the massacre/ravage/knockback? Do ppl just let the knock back carry them / intervene/ leap? is that why ppl run kael'thas trinket to just make that easy?
I'm having to swap short notice so i might not be able to grind out the trinket on war.
signal plover
I walked into a massacre after the line disappeared
elfin nova
"can I get a mage buff?"
"you're a warrior"
"i know but with my base int i dribble on my keyboard"
jagged pier
Remornia is a melt anyway and just wanders off the whole time
true but dat bleed when u have wracking pain stack and it hasnt dropped becuase the other tank did taunt is a oof
jagged pier
"can I get a mage buff?"
"you're a warrior"
"i know but with my base int i dribb...
this is true
elfin nova
Because not being dead matters more on that fight than damage
You're still gonna potentially take a beating from the shattering if it's on you and you're not next to the boss
You shouldn't charge the second ravage knock/massacre i don't think
Unless you have huge balls
Boss will be in the middle where all the lines are going through
@jagged pier get bop to solve bleed problem and make the boss and remornia hit the dh
Uno reverse
jagged pier
haha nah its alright
i can out play it
just need to get my cd usage down
and kyrian pot at the right time
elfin nova
I was necrolord for the one kill I've done
This week I'll be venthyr
My kingdom for a kyrian pot
I do the dh jumping job though, so don't really get many bleeds
quaint tartan
Hello, How does the necrolord legendary look like? Any chance it will be worth it?
jagged pier
makes necro a bit better for sure
with buffing the extra person
but the duration only extends on u
which is still alright
so like a smoll upwards chart ๐
quaint tartan
Oh I thought it would extend for everyone
jagged pier
it does not
quaint tartan
Doesn't seem that good then
jagged pier
well an extra person is pretty big
stark sage
1 extra person is big ye
jagged pier
and u can get it to like 70secs on yourself
stark sage
if they make it extend the LS conduit then it'd be pretty damn good
bolster would break the game
oh nvm im dumb
i mixed up sinful
proud carbon
That would be the Venth version, Necro one already extends the cove conduit ayy
stark sage
yeah its pretty nice
jagged pier
i mean lets be honest extending that buff for 70 secs on 3 ppl plus u is pretty busted no gunna lie
quaint tartan
yeah that's why I thought it would be busted
brittle owl
people have this weird fetish of necro being good that they tend to misread shit in order to suit that fantasy
elfin nova
Extending the mastery/strength on you does still have a place in the discussion of viability
elfin nova
What necrolord is is "uniquely powerful*
If situations exist where you need that pump for triple convoke/warlock burst or some nonsense it will see play
brittle owl
or like
jagged pier
u would pair it with 3 locks now as they are on a 2 min cycle and boomkin nerf
proud carbon
does the %strength on necro conduit translate to 16% additional physical DR from armour?
brittle owl
wait 1-2 weeks, overgear the thing, just run anything else
ykno
like a normal person
elfin nova
Covenants not being swappable is the biggest thing that means you probably won't play it, and definitely most people won't play it
Waiting 1-2 weeks is not an option for everyone
But sure it works for most
jagged pier
i still have my free swap
brittle owl
waiting 1-2 weeks isn't an option for like 50-100 people
jagged pier
fathom spindle
With the Vanguard changes in 9.1, do we 10% less damage from both Physical and magic?
jagged pier
vanguard change?
elfin nova
Most people aren't going to and shouldn't play it
Vanguard change is already live
And yes
Both
Well it's yes it effects both but if you care if you'll take less tomorrow than you did yesterday then no, that passive has been in since 9.0.5
fathom spindle
Ahh, Wowhead said 9.1 changes ๐ since we got one in 9.0.5, probably just a mistake
fathom spindle
It does not, i just thought we got another buff for 9.1 ๐
elfin nova
I don't remember if the 10 was with 9.0.5 or if it was a hotfix
If it was a hotfix there may be no tooltip for it idk
9.1 is a rebalance anyway
New k-values
signal plover
The listed 9.1 change is just them documenting the buff that's already live
fathom spindle
Ahh, makes sense then โบ๏ธ
grand sierra
So is Kyrian Vial still going to be the go to in 9.1
jagged pier
its gunna be like it is now u can play what u like
and feel lucky you are in that position
u get to choose
rancid ember
Depends on your situation really. Most of the time I use it for more Rage/DPS when I'm just doing weekly keys.
So like Jakey said on CD when you're using it for DPS ๐
Jakey you still pushing keys at all?
jagged pier
Not really i hit all 19s and then was like do i want to pug further
The answer was no
thorn ether
isn't this a wise man
jagged pier
I probably could have done all 20s
thorn ether
I play with friends , they are not so good but at least i get the satisfaction of flaming them non stop without repercussions
jagged pier
Meh i kinda just do 1 key a week now tbh
thorn ether
that's one key you do more than i do on my DH
i just want CE to be done with that character for this season
jagged pier
Might get back to pushong later in the season but just chilling right now
Care more about getting the danny kill
distant crystal
There'll be that 1 last giga push week before season end
where everyone goes ham
jagged pier
Well honestly what u want a 20 done in time the week before the new season so u get instant 15 key
elfin nova
just gotta believe ๐ฉ
jagged pier
Who knows i liek sangune greivous if i trust the healer might do some stuff this week see how i feel
jagged pier
just gotta believe ๐ฉ
Fuk you
raven dune
Hi fellow tonks, do we have a section that talks about trinkets? I have been chasing the Sun King + DoS, no luck so far. Now my chest gives a 226 Anima Field Emitter and I'm curious how good/bad it is.
jagged pier
Its good
Best trinjets fir dps are phial, decanter and hymnal
Best defensive scale and al'ar
But u dont need al'ar unless you are doing like content thats likely to kill you so high keys
Emitter in general is a pretty good trinjet to have with scale
And u dont want a dps trjnket
Fuking phone cant press i
raven dune
I will mainly be doing 15-16 keys. Maybe the random 18 in an easy week.
rancid ember
Well honestly what u want a 20 done in time the week before the new season so u ...
This is a thing?
jagged pier
This is a thing?
Yer the key lvls get dropped by around 5 ever season start
Sk u do a 20 usually gives a15 on the swap of the season or well used to
rancid ember
That's cool. I didn't pick up retail until end of BFA so I never had a rollover season I guess. Only the fresh SL start
I assumed it would just give you a fresh key from the 1st 0 you did or something.
jagged pier
I cant remeber now im pretty sure u just get a key and it scales down so u wanna push the week before new season
But its been a while
elfin nova
they scale up mythic 0 and downgrade keystones to match how much they buff everything by
so you should get a new 15 key which will be about as hard as an old 20 key (or roughly those numbers)
but then obviously you can also gain 25 ilvl
so yeah having a 15 key straight away is nice in the first week of the patch for weekly, but also typically doing a weekly first week of 9.1 is not as hard as doing a weekly first week of m+ in 9.0 as you aren't starting from nothing
rancid ember
Makes sense, thanks for the info.
raven dune
Thanks for your answer Jakey.
jagged pier
No problem
late surge
Are there any abilities that I never use in pve scenario? I can't justify having whirlwind or shattering throw on my bars
modern brook
plenty of use cases for shattering throw tbh
everything else you'll probably use; goin off memory though
You can probably get away with having challenging shout off the bars tbh
but if you ever come back here complaining about aggro i will ban you
wanton condor
put charge + intervene on a single macro
modern brook
what are the uses of shattering throw
literally any shield
Hakkar & last boss mists off the rip
wanton condor
<@!219533845676949516> what's the macro
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge```if ur a off tanking you can pre-cast it for sunking
sick sentinel
so
if i get a gear upgradeable with valor and it has +leech, does it keep +leech and sockets when i level it
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
It's a feature || cast ||
sick sentinel
u can't those things during 0.5 second cow stomp racial
engineerand various other channels
mighty valley
at least for the hakkar/tredova shields they're not hitting you while they're channeling them
lime urchin
didnt even know prot kept hamstring tbh
Macro it into charge ๐
jagged pier
Dont macro it into charge what a waste of rage
stark sage
only a waste of rage if you press it in melee range :smart:
modern brook
It adds depth to the class
Now you have to not press xharge when you might hamstring
Higher skill cap
signal plover
Charge+hamstring macro is like giga safe
inland raft
I just shift macro it to something i actually forget what, never use it
I think maybe to tc
safe thistle
I got a 1 button macro for leap/intervene/charge but would like any suggestion to make it more fonctional. im more and more thinking about using the shift modifier. which one would you prfer
#showtooltip
/startattack [harm]
/cast Charge
/startattack [harm]
/cast [noharm] Intervene
/cast Heroic Leap
/assist [target=mouseover]
/cast [nomod,@target,nodead]Charge
/cast [nomod,@mouseover,noharm,nodead][] Intervene
/cast [mod:shift]Heroic Leap
strong forum
seems unnecessarily convoluted
safe thistle
its 2 different macro but you think there too many stuff in it ?
strong forum
ah 2 different ones
signal plover
strong forum
id just
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Intervene [target=mouseover,help,exists]Intervene; Intervene
/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists]Charge; Charge
/cast Hamstring
and the other one
#showtooltip Heroic Leap
/cast [@cursor] Heroic Leap
done
safe thistle
ok so for you 2 button to seperate leap would be ideal ?
strong forum
ye its on a shift modifier anyway in your macro
so its literally the same as just moving it onto another button
safe thistle
ok
because i had issue with it sometime leaping after a charge ๐
which other skill could be with another on modifier victory rush/execute ?
trying to eliminate buttonn
strong forum
youre not gonna get around having alot of buttons
urban portal
wow is a game meant for a lot of buttons
strong forum
if you wanna play well youre gonna use as little as "2 in 1" macros as possible
jagged pier
wanting to reduce buttons
strong forum
the charge one is literally the only good macro we can have
jagged pier
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urban portal
also having a shift modifier is basically hiding a button anyways
safe thistle
is there a way to show the good tooltip when pressing shift
urban portal
like show a differnt tooltip when you press shift?
safe thistle
ya
distant crystal
if you're using #showtooltip with a modifier it should adjust when you press shift
or am i crazy
safe thistle
if it doesnt ?
urban portal
thentheres no way
idk why you wouldnt just bind a different hotbar slot to shift
like having shift 4 be leap
and 4 be your charge
safe thistle
ahh i dont have bartender.... maybe i should start not using the default ui at one point
distant crystal
yeah it works
safe thistle
so you have top bar with button on shift ?
distant crystal
it has to be just #showtooltip
don't put a spell name after
just tested it with this
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Thunder Clap
/cast [nomod] Revenge
urban portal
yeah basically
distant crystal
There's cleaner ways to do it as well but if you're not getting low on macro length that's fine
urban portal
stuffing both in 1 macro has no purpose outside of saving bar slots
you still arent saving keystrokes
distant crystal
yeah all my modifier macros ended up getting replace with separate binds for the same keystrokes
but to each his own
urban portal
like for example, i have revenge on 3, victory rush on ctrl 3, and charge on alt 3
i could stuff all of those into 1 macro but why
safe thistle
yah thats my issue i think i need to start using the alt/ctrl/shift more i never use it atm except for the charge one
i think ill redo a whole row with a shift or ctrl
warm remnant
You don't even have to stance dance anymore so you already have less buttons XD
safe thistle
lol last time i played warrior we still used veastate to apply sunder
im still thinking its stupid having shield block costing rage it didnt used to
grizzled forge
They still havenโt shown warrior Kyrian legendary correct?
sweet summit
correct
grizzled forge
Wonder why they released 3 and held one
jagged pier
because they havnt figured it out yet
solemn magnet
You know the default ui bars expand to have 12 buttons each, right?
urban portal
12 on the main bar, 6 on the right, and another like, 18 up top
solemn magnet
It's 12, 12, 6, then 2x12 on the side
solemn magnet
It shouldn't be
safe thistle
my issue is that the binded 6+ isnt used sicne its too far but i should just rebind to a modifier which for some reason i didnt though about it
grizzled forge
Canโt remember all the kyrian ability stuff from torghast could be something from there
Kinda like they did the chakra for hunter
solemn magnet
I don't bind past 6 either and I have 3 full rows of binds
safe thistle
i used to play dh which had not even half the warrior button though
solemn magnet
It's wild how few abilities they have
safe thistle
but it work well demon spike is only cd dependnant thats why i dont get it why shield block should be on cd and cost rage
urban portal
havoc rotation is like 3 buttons
i just dont like that warrior have pretty crappy panic buttons
rancid ember
Demon Spikes is not even close to how strong Shield Block is.
urban portal
but in exchange we got the best throughput block
sweet summit
demon spikes is like a napkin armor
shield block is like a 4 ton tank youre sitting in
rancid ember
I wouldn't say it's a filler.. It's still very important to the VDH Kit to be rotated properly just like SB
chilly brook
Demon Spikes is actually pretty good
The problem is the gap
Although obviously that's been shored up this xpac
safe thistle
is it normal to feel like been shredded on inerva mythic ? compared to my dh.
rancid ember
Demon Spikes up w/o anything else I'm still going to die if I facetank in 20+ keys
SB w/o anything else and your not dieing in 20+ keys facetanking.
sweet summit
ya she fucks
chilly brook
Tbh imho if you feel like you're getting torn apart you're doing something wrong
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Like it was the first fight I actually needed to use IP but also it wasn't that bad
rancid ember
I run BDK on Inerva kills just so I can top healing meters 
safe thistle
yah i tank with a blood dk he take overall way more dmg than me but seems to survive way easier ๐ topping healing meter
rancid ember
yeah he's using Mark of Blood right? If so I feel like when you're tanking as long as you have SB up /w Mark of blood on her you're probably fine
subtle tulip
I've finally done it boys, made the change to NF.
safe thistle
the problem seems to be when we gotta turn for image cant block from behind
maybe i should turn less early
rancid ember
Yeah that's just practice. You get better and better where you do it super fast and timed well.
It was a fun tank mechanic imo. Little ugly sometimes when there's alot of effects going on
safe thistle
gotta love when the image appear inside the big add too ๐
chilly brook
Tbf her melees aren't that hard
rancid ember
Nah just fast
chilly brook
Also if you're having issues with spotting images, turn on your game sound
safe thistle
im trying to better myself on the shield reflect for the add debuff to fade before returning on her
chilly brook
The spawn sound is directional audio
safe thistle
thnx didnt knew that one
rancid ember
There are some in here who will tell you that tanks can get the add debuff, but I've still never seen it land on a tank unless majority of the raid is dead.
Should probably be using SR to reduce DOT damage off CD at 2+ stacks
safe thistle
would you think the spell reflect legendary would be usefull just for that one fight at least ?
i know we can do it without
rancid ember
Yeah I suppose so as long as dropping reprisal doesn't affect your SB uptime when you have boss/add but I imagine it would.
Not worth imo but it's interesting thought
safe thistle
since we dont have much to do with ashe i though about making it to try it out and see
brittle dagger
hi lads, does anyone know on warcraft logs if you can see how much damage a certain target took from the whole raid
im being stupid and cant work it out, so for example on sun king i want to see how much damage everyone did to shade only
modern brook
enemies -> shade-> damage taken
rancid ember
โ๏ธ
chilly brook
There are some in here who will tell you that tanks can get the add debuff, but ...
I've reflected it multiple times
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
modern brook
Yeah I suppose so as long as dropping reprisal doesn't affect your SB uptime whe...
reprisal is like 90% damage in raid tbh; its mre that taking mirror for a 1/8 chance of ignoring 1/3 of a mechanic isnt exactly worth while
chilly brook
And there are logs that reflect this
brittle dagger
enemies -> shade-> damage taken
ah i didnt see enimies button at top thank you mate got it now
rancid ember
since we dont have much to do with ashe i though about making it to try it out a...
It's your closest ally though right? 9/10 that's going to be your co-tank who doesn't need it really. You'd have to be actively trying to stand on your melee
Lol I still have never seen it happen Griff.
This always comes up when Inerva comes up ๐
chilly brook
would you think the spell reflect legendary would be usefull just for that one f...
No, run The Wall and AM
safe thistle
add debuff landed on me 2 times
chilly brook
Lol I still have never seen it happen Griff.
We've shown you logs though
rancid ember
I've never been shown logs. Last time it came up it was just back & forth.
safe thistle
as tank i was rooted too and had bomb.....
rancid ember
I believe you have logs, I just think it's funny its either someone has seen it happen plenty, or haven't seen it happen ever
that's why I said what I said
safe thistle
ya i have logs
chilly brook
I distinctly remember Keladan linking logs
rancid ember
Might've been a time I wasn't involved. The convo comes up now and again
safe thistle
whats the name of that debuff ?
chilly brook
whats the name of that debuff ?
Concentrated anima
safe thistle
edgy jay
I'm really considering going NF ancient aftershock seems to feel good to press in M+
rancid ember
It's great, just feelsbad when you run SOA/NW and don't have a Kyrian though. If you pugging can just try to target a Monk DPS though
jagged pier
can play which cove u want NF is objectivly our best m+ covenant
edgy jay
Yeah I know both are great, I'm just wondering how it feels in term of pure gameplay
stark sage
I distinctly remember Keladan linking logs
what am i linking?
edgy jay
And yeah, there is a lot of NF in pug
edgy jay
Yeah I know both are great, I'm just wondering how it feels in term of pure game...
Didn't get a chance to try it beforehands
rancid ember
@stark sage Logs that show you reflecting Concentrated Anima add Debuff from Mythic Inerva as Pwar
stark sage
hmm wasnt me, war is my alt this tier
rancid ember
Griff jebaited me 
safe thistle
but should we save SR for that
signal plover
Yeah
safe thistle
i guess when we get at the root part it would be wise
chilly brook
hmm wasnt me, war is my alt this tier
I swear you linked a log of it being cast on a tank
signal plover
It's the most direct benefit you can give to the raid
rancid ember
I feel the same but the opposite way. I prog'd it twice and never saw me or Co-tank have to deal with it :/
safe thistle
i linked a logs where i get it
stark sage
I swear you linked a log of it being cast on a tank
i dont remember, i'm also a manki tho
shut summit
It can happen, last time it was talked about i linked shit then too
No deaths all fight, no immunes, went on me
Just a weird spell
rancid ember
@shut summit Does it happen frequent enough to warrant SR on that cast? Or was that a blue moon kind of deal?
safe thistle
i guess since tanks are only 2 in raid it make it logical that they are less likely to get it
rancid ember
Still that's 5% For you, 10% for either tank to get on every pull multiple casts a pull.
signal plover
You can get an SR in between the add casts for mitigation or reflecting the big add cast
safe thistle
it will be up for imunity call ?
signal plover
But you should still use/save SR for the add cast cuz even if you don't get it you're prolly mitigating dot ticks anyway
safe thistle
so priority imunity call, if the cd can come back before can use for dot i guess ?
signal plover
Depends on phase timing a little but once you figure out your groups prog pace
shut summit
It depends on push timing too, with health nerf and dps people do/should be doing nowadays you skip add sets
safe thistle
yah we used to 1 shot her and wiped 6 times yesterday cause of timing change
shut summit
So ideally you have it for adds but should be maximizing use cuz it doesn't happen that frequently
Just look at timers and try to get overlaps if possible
signal plover
But also if u get it and don't have reflect then it's free pad
shut summit
Ya immune nothing and use seismic
signal plover
๐
safe thistle
im a ncerolord seems to be good for others but yah playstyle sucks/boring ๐
signal plover
O lawd
safe thistle
it cheese sunking though
signal plover
What's there to cheese on sun king
safe thistle
make it even faster on healing phase
but i really want to go kyrian i miss my potion on huntsman and necrotik week
safe thistle
best transmog though ๐
signal plover
Rise as furry or blue thigh simp
safe thistle
10% more dmg with transmog
signal plover
Raid mog is best mog
jagged pier
well thats not true with necro is a dps decrease
safe thistle
yah i had issue with my snap aggro on m+ as necro
it def suck for yourself
its like been massochism
safe thistle
lol
ill switch before 9.1 to max kyrian at 40
already aint turing my anima for 3 weeks all banking it
and doing spire with nobody able to use spear suck big time
chilly brook
Lol we weren't kidding when we were saying Necro isn't the move
hazy sparrow
sweet summit
its not horrible
distant crystal
ur mom is not horrible
sweet summit
true
distant crystal
sike!
stark sage
sweet summit
damn...
modern brook
๐ฎ
distant crystal
๐โโ๏ธ
chilly brook
ur mom is not horrible
Cant be that horrible if we got @sweet summit out of it
distant crystal
sweet summit
:(
sweet summit
distant crystal
I'm sorry guys but someone posted this macro in the mage forums and I belly laughed
sweet summit
i have several questions
distant crystal
He thought he was automating aoe I think
flint tiger
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but seeing the big thread on charge, intervene, and even leap macro'd all into one ability for one bind made me think I'm a fool for having separate bonds for each skill lmao
signal plover
YOU FOOL
flint tiger
BIND ALL THE SPELLS
mighty valley
I'm also a single bind for every skill dumbass
flint tiger
Ayyy #oneofus
mighty valley
except i'll macro a dps trinket into a dps cooldown if they line up, that's fine
elfin nova
any macro with modifiers in it isn't actually saving you any binds
elfin nova
charge/intervene depending on target is legit
but i can't imagine how you could run out of space on actionbars to the point where you need to condense stuff into modifier macros
flint tiger
Wonder if the desire to save action bar space is cause everyone goes the set up a weakaura for each skill you wanna use/see, and then they still have to have an action bar with the spell on so they can minimize that space or something.
acoustic fjord
Is devastator suppose to feel bad playing with? I'm only level 44 and new to prot so maybe I'm missing something?
sweet summit
its feels dogshit while leveling yeah
distant crystal
yeah those sorts of talents always feel a lil bad
whenever i played devestator i still had the devestate keybind
and i'd smash that mofo
sweet summit
id just play war machine til youre max tbh
balmy coral
Unpopular opinion, I prefer Tyrannical over fortified, I do more damage
sweet summit
i do more damage on fort weeks
balmy coral
I have to focus on mitigation even in 15's,
acoustic fjord
I imagine devastator feels better when you're doing M+ or something.
balmy coral
I used 63 IP casts in Mists +15
sweet summit
i used IP 33 times in a 21 mists
mists is like the dream dungeon for us
basically everything is blockable
balmy coral
On fortified? I was getting trucked even with high SB Uptime
sweet summit
on fortified, yes
balmy coral
Then again my team wasn't dispelling enrage or any cc/interupts/stuns
distant crystal
sounds like the healers problem
sweet summit
thats less than my healer did in the 21
balmy coral
Well u did a 21 not a 15
distant crystal
dang called out
sweet summit
deft sapphire
Once you get past the first couple packs in mists it feels like smooth sailing
sweet summit
ya 2nd pull can be a bit scetch since everyone uses cooldowns on first pull
first pull is just ook ook dps
balmy coral
Your healer did less than 7M?
sweet summit
thats what the log says yeah
sweet summit
log counts out of combat time, details does not
balmy coral
It was a dps problem, not interupting/stunning
sweet summit
so hps/dps is different
balmy coral
I had to kite a shit ton because of enraged adds
fickle scaffold
Hey question can shield wall reduce magic damage?
sweet summit
fire mage btw ๐คก
yes it will
it reduces ALL damage taken by 50% for as long as it is active
balmy coral
Fire mage is disappointing, never seen one come close to beating my ele shaman or Fury warrior because in lower keys you don't pull multiple packs at once
fickle scaffold
Shit really? I can use it against magic? Thatโs awesome!!! Itโs my off spec proc
๐ thank you
elfin nova
pretty much everything that isn't armor works against magic
unless it specifically says it reduces physical damage taken
fickle scaffold
Yeah but what about ignore pain?
crude whale
SR works to reduce magic damage even if it dosent reflect it too btw
i use it all the time
fickle scaffold
Sr?
sweet summit
spell reflect
crude whale
spell reflect
fickle scaffold
ooh
sweet summit
demoralizing shout, ignore pain
elfin nova
all of it
sweet summit
just dont overuse ignore pain please
chilly brook
WaRrIoR dOeSnT dO wElL aGaInSt MaGiC
fickle scaffold
lol griff
sweet summit
well, use what you have available
but like
dont just shove all your rage into ignore pain
fickle scaffold
Got it
sweet summit
there are very few places where there is insane unavoidable magic damage
fickle scaffold
If I loose aggro large what should I use for aoe
sweet summit
reprisal is so fucking good man
fickle scaffold
What legendary you recommend for venthyr prot
sweet summit
reprisal
elfin nova
I don't know how much I like it in raiding in a vacuum
crude whale
until they change them reprisal is your go to for mythic imo
elfin nova
obviously all the hard fights this tier you have to move around/charge anyway
crude whale
the wall is still better for raids
fickle scaffold
Ah
crude whale
ya lol
fickle scaffold
How is it good with both combine for m plus and raid?
Lol this is just off spec xD
I main fury
elfin nova
reprisal is great to play with in m+ and if you're going to make one prot legendary you should make that one
aren't most fury mains nightfae now?
sweet summit
ya
fickle scaffold
I do more damage than nf ๐
fickle scaffold
I had a nf with me today
distant crystal
seems like they tried to turn everyone furry in 9.0.5
fickle scaffold
I still did more damage
sweet summit
youd do even more as night fae!
elfin nova
one venthyr beating one nightfae means exactly nothing
the guy might have had his monitor turned off
mighty valley
venthyr prot is objectively cooler and more attractive
chilly brook
Night fae go brrrrrrr
fickle scaffold
Donโt want to go through reknown grind agh
fickle scaffold
I am reknown 40
worn bear
renown feels like a non-issue now that it isn't timegated tbh
elfin nova
necrolord mog is the best
sweet summit
wrong
sweet summit
if it does im renown 115
elfin nova
rekt
sweet summit
๐
elfin nova
I finished campaign and yeeted off of necrolord at 31
sweet summit
not playing nf on slg mythic pepelaff
chilly brook
Tether on skirmishers is clutch
safe thistle
i dont think the pot work on slg
chilly brook
I'm still NF
sweet summit
first strike ๐
elfin nova
i mean you can just vortex right
chilly brook
But the tether is clutch for making the skirms die fast af
Also ye you can
Still not switching though
elfin nova
weren't you venthyr
safe thistle
i think this game get too many nightffae ๐
chilly brook
NF too much dam
stark sage
nf soulbinds are op
sweet summit
wish venthyr was better for prot
fix sinful surge for prot
i demand it
@ blizzard @ ion
chilly brook
I'm legit an extra dps on slg
elfin nova
what's sinful surge
safe thistle
venthyr did got even slightly worse with the buff on all other covenant on execute
sweet summit
venthyr warrior specific legendary comming in 9.1
sweet summit
condemn extends last stand for prot
elfin nova
except not
safe thistle
no doulbe/triple dip ๐ฆ
chilly brook
Over 5k DPS 8m into a fight is hilarious as a tank
crude whale
how the fuck lol
elfin nova
if you're doing as much as a dps with 5k dps i think you might have other problems
:o)
crude whale
ive seen bear tanks and prot palys do it but never as prot war =/
elfin nova
press revenge
sweet summit
revenj
chilly brook
if you're doing as much as a dps with 5k dps i think you might have other proble...
Not really SLG is weird
elfin nova
it's mostly just pad anyway
safe thistle
huntsman dog coughcough*
elfin nova
prio damage is much more important for actually killing the boss on slg and most guilds still do tactics where you have to afk half the fight
chilly brook
You have people who do big aoe but also people who are lower because you use them for certain things
SLG is big dumb
safe thistle
ya xymos is another one if your a seed carrier and get all the damn ghost and portal.
my wife got it during her convoke dunno why she was annoyed....
for shoulder youll go with haste one or versatility if your at 18% versa
sweet summit
ilvl>haste
safe thistle
but if both are same
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers
elfin nova
where are you getting a shoulder with haste
elfin nova
๐ข
chilly brook
Revenj
elfin nova
there's a 6.1k prot warrior log
elfin nova
prot warrior aoe is good it shouldn't really be a surprise
it's still not useful for killing the boss
chilly brook
I feel like my dam goes down so much during intermissions