This is a pug; I don't know you...I don't know if your dps is worth a shit, what the healer will do...If you guys will use your utility, if you'll kill explosive orbs...."BRO I HAVE WINGS UP..PEWWLLLLLL!"""
#protection
fringe marten
ionic fern
Jeah, it's pretty bad.
fringe marten
Or the best...grab a pack, then go to pull the second or third because they call they have cd's ready..."MY ASHEN HALLOW!! REEEEEE"
ionic fern
😂
It's kinda sad tho.
Even if you play your class to the fullest you are not really rewarded for it compared to if you're just playing your class "ok".
You WILL die since someone will miss a interrupt/stun or w/e. 😦
fringe marten
Dude..you dumped a 4 min DPS cd the INSTA second one zombie got in range of you; while the rest of the group is begging for more because "I got wild spirits"
Speaking of which; been using omniCD to track dps coolies in 5 mans and it will not track covenant abilities even though I have them all check marked to be tracked?
Do other players have to have omnicd to sync it with; to track covenant abilities?
ionic fern
Not sure. 👀
fringe marten
And now every fire mage in existence has discovered the "JOY" of building their own custom announce macro for when "MY COMBUST IS RED'TA'BUST"
ionic fern
I love those macros.
They make it sound so bad ass and then they do like 3k DPS in AoE.
😂
fringe marten
In caps, full zone /yell all kindsa extra ~~~!!@@###$ all over it.
we get it..every 1 minute. That's basically every other pull in M+
I'm not Loading up 'MAD AOE' pulls every other pull because the mage has an itchy trigger finger.
obtuse marsh
i hate when i do big pull at mist start, and hunter pop wild spirit on little adds when im rushing into the big pack
fringe marten
Because of prideful and the way most zones are..the pulls are nearly etched in stone at this point. What do you want me to do.. Pull the tiki mask, the 2 giant skeleton berserkers AND some shadow caster mobs...because you're READY TO COMBUST bro? no
ionic fern
Do iiiiit.
fringe marten
Or; my fav...
"Yo I saw on the MDI..just lemme get the spear..then pull the boss and ALL the mobs around it; I'm gonna' do what DrJay did.."
No..no you aren't. zero chance you are.
blazing condor
doing that strat without a dh is kinda hard
fringe marten
It doesn't even matter
doing ANYTHING from the MDI without the same 5 people practicing it MANY times over..is basically impossible.
blazing condor
yeah doing group strats in pugs are a recipe for failure
that play isnt really that hard though to pull off
just not really necessary
fringe marten
"Does everyone here have shadowmeld..? we can just meld off the PriNO YOU WON'T...you will not..someone WILL screw it up"
It's not just that those are 5 great players; it's that they had access to the same zone, the same affixes at the same key strength OVER AND OVER to practice it. Of course they can plan and pull off some ninjitsu shit.
ionic fern
Imagine being like that in real life tho.
"Yo, i saw this guy fly a helicopter once, i got this".
blazing condor
unfortunately a lot of people are like that in sports etc
fringe marten
..If the guy from Magnum PI can do it with that Hawaiian shirt..I can.
misty charm
Imagine being like that in real life tho.
"Yo, i saw this guy fly a helicopter o...
are you telling me that you cant fly a plane eventho you have been in a plane?
why do you have a theorycrafter tag
smh
blazing condor
ionic fern
why do you have a theorycrafter tag
I DON'T KNOW. 😦
Life was simpler when i was a good Valarjar.
blazing condor
Mwahi theorycrafting be like: i think revenj is good...let me check.... hmm yes... yes it is...
fringe marten
A ton of people do not get how the MDI works. They think those guys got a random key and jumped in there and were like "ok let's snap down all the mobs from the necropolis..then use AMZ right there; pop the orb AND spear...and just go HAMSKIES and we got this"
blazing condor
Dadugan what key levels are you doing
fringe marten
anything from a 7 to an 18
misty charm
Mwahi theorycrafting be like: i think revenj is good...let me check.... hmm yes....
as someone who likes theorycrafting for shamans, honestly sometimes thats all there is to it 😂
blazing condor
lmao the fact that the pugs really try and pull that shit off is hilarious
fringe marten
dude..the day after the mdi
blazing condor
you can literally just W through dungeons up until higher levels
fringe marten
EVERY. ROGUE. EVER. In necro wake was like "YO I just saw this shit..let's try it.."
misty charm
i mean if all are down to try the strat theres no harm to it?
sounds fun to try it imo
fringe marten
no dude..no; you're gonna die..then we're gonna' die..then the keys gonna' die..then everyone is gonna leave.
blazing condor
nah its definitely good to try things that ease the dungeon
ionic fern
I gave up watching MDI after the first time it aired.
Pretty quickly realised that it's just almost the same route/pulls by the same group comps. 😦
blazing condor
but its very hard to do with pugs
misty charm
I gave up watching MDI after the first time it aired.
Pretty quickly realised t...
the format they did this weekend was quite enjoyable tho
forgot the name of it
blazing condor
things that rely on the entire group is kind of bad to do with pugs
individual plays are usually fine
fringe marten
Well it makes sense..you're going to have a bunch of top players who all have access to the same classes/dungeons/etc they ALL watch each other, they all talk to each other... the moment someone finds something really cool that legit pushes the dungeon faster/better they're ALL doing it.
ionic fern
Tho then everyone would have picked the best off-meta classes and we would have the same comps again.
😂
fringe marten
Yeah goodstuffe that's why I did a lot of mob and pull snapping in BFA; because I could control that.
PVP is no different.
All those players are playing their characters at a very high level, same comps and classes..they're just grinding on each other until one of them makes a mistake or get a string of lucky crits in burst/etc.
The cool part about dungeoneering it the same cool part about raiding; coordinating to overcome.
I think a cool MDI idea would be to have 1 or 2 known players per team.
then have to have 3 other random players from the player base...IE..PUG mdi
and see if you can coach them on the fly, through the dungeon.
jagged pier
its a dota meme torunement
its actually worked out really weel
so like u have a 'pot' of money
and u can spend it on heros
so mets classes and spec cost a lot more
and u need to choose per dungeon
so u have to make your resources last
do u not spend till the final or spend to get there
on top of that
in games they added challenges that gave more money for your bidding etc
fringe marten
I used to play DOTA when it was an actual map mod for WC3..then I played LoL like the rest of the world; then stopped playing mobas all together.
jagged pier
misty charm
fringe marten
OH damn that might actually be cool; the team has to use a pool of currency to buy their gear and classes... But then that's no longer about watching skill of 'gameplay' and it's about balancing efficacy of classes/gear vs a cost.
Plus..we know what DrJay's team would end up with
4 naked peasants...1 fully geared fire mage.
jagged pier
yer exactly and u can add challenges as well
to give u more of a pot for the next choices
like not invising at all in a key
etc
it would be far more interesting
cause routes would change and stuff comps would change
the problem they had with midas mode is the pros were so good they did the challenges pretty easily and they gave to big a reward so some teams could just buy any hero they wanted
the second midas mode was better
fringe marten
That's a cool idea to actually be 'part' of..but it's not at all fun to watch. That's the equivalent to watching someone in the character creator in Dark souls... 4 hours of character creator...10 minutes until first "YOU DIED"
Fuck all that..just go all in #Twitchplays MDI
jagged pier
i mean it doesnt quite work for MDI right because fastest wins
fringe marten
10,000 people spamming emotes to control the team through a dungeon~
jagged pier
and its not like the winnning team in wins so its difficult but i feel something like that would be fun
ionic fern
Make MDI dungeons have all affixes together.
fringe marten
..#TwitchPlays_MythicSLG
jagged pier
i personally think there should be drafting in MDI only 1 team can have a spec, and u choose one after the other and team that doesnt get first pick, get to pick dungeon and affixs
fringe marten
No..just Delete 'Storming' and "tyrannical'
jagged pier
☝️
fringe marten
Unrelated; but important...for those kyrian. Is Ispiron the SHITTIEST mission table unit EVER or what? WTF were they thinking?
blazing condor
🤔 mission table
ionic fern
^that.
blazing condor
in alternate draenor
blazing condor
once again another on paper cool system that just plays like shit
brittle owl
fringe marten
I did the first couple path of ascension things..did like 2 of the side quests, and then never touched it.
Dude that whole path of ascension is such a waste of time.
brittle owl
once again another on paper cool system that just plays like shit
mission table was never cool on paper
fringe marten
Yeah and they expect us to dump like..? 45k anima into it to fully upgrade it???
blazing condor
@brittle owl i meant PoA 😛
ionic fern
Dude that whole path of ascension is such a waste of time.
Lets be honest..a lot of systems are just a "waste of time".
brittle owl
Lets be honest..a lot of systems are just a "waste of time".
just like WoW 
fringe marten
Yeah but I'm ok with cosmetics or mounts or whatever; But the cosmetics need to be COOL. NOT a purple recolor of the armor set I'm already NOT going to wear because it looks like ass...because the raid set/s look WAY better.
ionic fern
I would honestly be happier if i could just start at max lvl/gear/have all legendaries and being able to swap covenant as often/when ever i want without a delay.
😂
jagged pier
☝️
or u have all the abilites and they work like talents
and they all had a different look depending on cov you are in
brittle owl
just play on private servers 🏴☠️
jagged pier
and the covenant is a looks thing only
brittle owl
blizzard funservers when
fringe marten
Getting max gear/leggos is part of the fun of the game..I'm ok with that. But the covenant crap? yeah...and the ability to change soul binds/trees/talents on the fly as needed/wherever. You can lock them in for combat/M+/PVP but if I wipe on a raid boss ..and go "hmm lemme try this ability/conduit combo..." I shouldn't have to gate to my covenant hall, and then spend "Voodoo Mobile phone game time-gating energy" to swap conduits.
blazing condor
Honestly there just insnt enough content for a casual player anymore
like if youre not raiding or doing m+/pvp
like what do you even do
torghast?? lol
dailies?? but for what
mount collection and pet battles is what i can imagine
but still thats almost always done in older content
fringe marten
In the room, when they had the pow-wow about how to do covenant abilities and conduits etc... when the MENTALLY DERANGED LUNATIC said "what if we make it take a week to swap back between covenants AND take a time gated resource to swap around the skill nodes on the trees those covenants provide?" someone didn't simply say "WHY? no..that's stupid and you're stupid"
jagged pier
Getting max gear/leggos is part of the fun of the game..I'm ok with that. But t...
no i had to do layer 8 last week at 138 that wasnt fun just time consuming
blazing condor
It's good that you arent forced to TP back to oribos to switch covenants and traits for every boss/dungeon though
but thats like the only upside of the system
ionic fern
Getting max gear/leggos is part of the fun of the game..I'm ok with that. But t...
I don't enjoy farming stuff like Torghast just to get Legendaries. 😒
I don't have half the legendaries and the ones i have are like 190-225 ilvl.
😂
fringe marten
Why were you doing torg at 138? Who authorized you to play something besides warrior? Unless it's ANOTHER warrior and you rolled it JUST so torghast was more challenging.. yes..yes this is the way.
fringe marten
uh..isn't that OBVIOUS?
ionic fern
Jakey signed a contract and stuff.
jagged pier
true
blazing condor
wait there are other classes?
fringe marten
No
jagged pier
no
blazing condor
i thought you were assigned a class when you started playing
fringe marten
When you log in; you open the Portal of BLOODANDTHUNDER..then you step through that portal into Azeroth. It is populated with other creatures you can group with..some of them 'chat' back to you; but ultimately they only serve the purpose of allowing YOU to crush content and get loot.
proud carbon
I don't enjoy farming stuff like Torghast just to get Legendaries. 😒
Tis an awkward one, because the alternative would presumably have been the Legion model where I didn't get BiS until the .2 patch... I do have 9 legendaries though and can confirm choreghast is limiting desire to play content
ionic fern
The alternative could have been to give me stuff for free. Or make a quest line or w/e.
😂
proud carbon
For free??? Madlad 😄
jagged pier
same
fringe marten
Changer..doesn't have to be. The legion legendary system at launch was..ridiculous; but again..didn't have to be that way. It's ACTUALLY possible to learn from the past; however the blizzard WoW Development team seems to be incapable of this.
ionic fern
I get that some people enjoy farming Torghast (i think...) and collecting Legendaries that way..but just wish there was an alternative..even if only for alts..e.g if you have gotten legendaries on your main via Torghast you can just "buy" them on your alts for free or w/e. Same for Covenants..don't make me re-play that damn quest line on all my alts.
proud carbon
Changer..doesn't have to be. The legion legendary system at launch was..ridicu...
Aye, I would say this model is 'better' as it is deterministic farming
fringe marten
I actually have no issue at all with them wanting crafting to be important/relevant.. I do have an issue with "your best legendary thing..COULD come from a world boss...OR a dungeon...OR pvp..woo EXCITING!
ionic fern
I'm just going the lazy route and buying the cheapest legendary just for the effect.
😂
fringe marten
How about...crafters make the blank armor? cool! and you can determine the secondary stats from another crafters thing? ALSO COOL! Then you go to the rune crafter..and he says "Give me torghast currency...and armors..Now CHOOSE which legendary power you'd like this to have" Thank you.
Not "did you unlock my legendary memory by looting an item from random content? NO? THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT POWER!"
blazing condor
Lets create a shitty system that people dont like and then "fix it" in a later patch to keep the player count happy and feel like we listen to them - even though it shouldve been in from day 1
jagged pier
zenith monolith
guys what are the go to trinks now for raid vs M+ ?
sweet summit
the two that sim the highest
or scale + one that sims the highest
or scale + al'ar
or al'ar + one that sims the highest
zenith monolith
so vessel is poop now ?
zenith monolith
so I can run both Sire trinks for raid ?
jagged pier
u can
zenith monolith
gonna see if I ever had scale and binned it in item recovery
jagged pier
honestly vintage is better for progress its up more often imo
like 1 min vs 2 min in a raid is quite a lot
zenith monolith
yea
jagged pier
it is less of an absorb
zenith monolith
damn restoration seems to be down
jagged pier
but u usually only want a bit of absorb to help front some damage and havning it more often is kind of big
zenith monolith
vessell,stoneheart and spike are the only other trinks I have
jagged pier
well stone heart is vendor
spikes pretty good
and u dont really want to run double on use tbh
zenith monolith
yeah thats what I thought
jagged pier
DoS
zenith monolith
ty
tame jasper
btw vault you can get every item from m+ and not only from those dungeons you run in the last week or that are "responsible" for your vault loot?
zenith monolith
any
brittle owl
51st run would've been the winner
jagged pier
ran DOS 50 times in one week, didnt get the scale
just get it in vault ez
winged lotus
wait will 9.0.5 gear be upgradable in 9.1?
i assume the dungeon ilvl gear drops will go up
winged lotus
to the first question?
elfin nova
Actually I don't know if it's confirmed or not but i would assume it isn't upgradeable in 9.1
jagged pier
youll need to farm it again im pretty sure as they wont be upgradeable
winged lotus
shiiiit
winged lotus
and there is a chance new trinkets will be better ofc
winged lotus
elfin nova
Specifically for m+ it seems hard to conceive of a trinket that beats scale
elfin nova
But yeah it will drop in 15s at higher than 220
jagged pier
and as ilvl increase so does that shield and the damage it does
elfin nova
So it would be a waste to upgrade it all the way even if possible (which i very much doubt you even will be able to)
winged lotus
ye i wonder if there will be a new keystone master achiev
so you can upgrade higher etc
jagged pier
eaiest way to get scale from DoS is to get a group of 5 ppl that can loot it and trade it
brittle owl
nah
winged lotus
yeee im trying to get my guild to help
brittle owl
easiest is to just loot it lmao git gud scrub kthnx
brittle owl
winged lotus
Everytime bwonsamdi tells me 'take ya trinkets and go' i tell him he s a liar
jagged pier
but tbh scale isnt what its all cracked up to be
i only used it in 19s
literally use hymnal instead in 19s and under
winged lotus
isnt that intellect
jagged pier
no
winged lotus
Hymnal of the path?
jagged pier
yes
brittle owl
the paladin trinket
winged lotus
collapses
jagged pier
the warrior trinket
brittle owl
paladin 
winged lotus
does like 2% more of my overall dps than my 226 decanter
fuck thats hot
jagged pier
brittle owl
it's p baller
winged lotus
collapses
jagged pier
its a jucier
jagged pier
thats a 226 phial as well
winged lotus
fuckn hell
jagged pier
well if mobs are dead they cant hurt me
winged lotus
what ilvl is the hymnal
brittle owl
tbh woyer prob gets the best value out of the damage component
winged lotus
woyerrrr
winged lotus
is it also viable for fury and arms
jagged pier
i dont think its very good for them
winged lotus
hmhhh
brittle owl
but the fact that below 50% hp it doesnt do damage
makes it lose alot of value whenever they do take dam
winged lotus
yee
it adds some survivability but tbh that shouldnt be needed when healer exismtts
brittle owl
it adds inconsequential surv at best
winged lotus
yeeeeee boi
strong forum
But it doesn't have Str, which is a dps loss
winged lotus
truth
elfin nova
Week 2 plaguefall spam gonna be a fun time
honest plinth
Ofc. Its a game. Have fun m8
spiral geode
Wait, so we have fun in this game?
sweet summit
Following
honest plinth
Wait, so we have fun in this game?
Yes sure. I like to farm every New shit every New patch for 3 months
Its my hobby
Like farm m+ for 10 weeks to buy 1 azerite item. Noice. Its fun. Ist it
autumn pendant
Cant have dopamine when nothing is in vault
honest plinth
Vault, the crusher of dreams
sweet summit
honest plinth
Ye ye you now got me
Well you had some m+ practice atleast
And we can call you the champion of Top rn
spiral geode
I did around 100 ToPs from SL start.
My favorite dungeon and you can spell reflect scite from last boss.
honest plinth
inland raft
To open as prot for chance to be disappointed at not getting 6 ilvl gain on scale or arms to be disappointed trying for a 2hder to mess around as arms with
spiral geode
I dont care anymore about vault. No weapon since SL start.
winged lotus
Who is jelly?
tame jasper
I did around 100 ToPs from SL start.
I also love ToP, but we are quite less ppl with that opinion 😄
tawdry dirge
what are actually the best races for prot? is there sims/a guide around anywhere?
tame jasper
I'm Tauren since classic and I like the stomp in m+
winged lotus
and ur big beefy boy
sweet summit
The difference isnt really big enough to matter
But dwarf>looks>idk
spiral geode
Nope, gnome with haste and escape artist.
winged lotus
Gnome
tawdry dirge
yeah i thought its no biggi i was just curious
winged lotus
tawdry dirge
dwarf or DI dwarf?
sweet summit
I prefer normal dwarf :)
tawdry dirge
i guess cause of bleedings remove or?
inland raft
Vulpera
fierce field
just play what you like the looks of most, and what racials you find beneficial, the difference in DPS between the races is insignificant
tawdry dirge
cause atm i am human and its just 2% stats iirc
fierce field
i like belf for the aoe purge
sweet summit
And extra rep!
fierce field
but if I were alliance I'd be a dwarf.
winged lotus
if i was alliance id be an ugly fucking gnome
tawdry dirge
kultiren was kinda in my mind cause of extra stun and heals and versa
iron forum
kultirans are giga chads, i would be kul tiran if i wasnt a dps main
but as fury warr shadowlemdl is just too good to give up
sweet summit
Objectively correct alliance race tier list
Dwarf>female draenei>female nelf the others are illegal :^)
spiral geode
@winged lotus i like youxD
winged lotus
thanku ily
tame jasper
Objectively correct alliance race tier list
Dwarf>female draenei>female nelf the...
Sry, but correct list is: Change to Horde :p 😄
winged lotus
^
iron forum
imagine having to play with vulpera
inland raft
And become a furry
iron forum
fierce field
imagine having to live with somebody who made all her toons vulpera... 😄
sweet summit
Nuke vulperas
iron forum
horde has been taken over by the furry agenda
winged lotus
spiral geode
Goblins are the future.
winged lotus
green gnomes
fierce field
we made the switch to horde after over a decade of being alliance around the time the vulpera came out, now she won't let me move back to ally.
spiral geode
Yea but less ugly
sweet summit
iron forum
goblins are kind of cool, if i were a zug zug id be gobbo, zandalari troll of maghar.
iron forum
i feel like orc is okay, but i just like everything about maghar orcs better
spiral geode
Guys i have a question. Sylvanas i undead night elf. Right? So why we dont have more undead other races?
sweet summit
Fair
iron forum
Guys i have a question. Sylvanas i undead night elf. Right? So why we dont have ...
ACKSHUAALLY shes a banshee
winged lotus
jagged pier
Guys i have a question. Sylvanas i undead night elf. Right? So why we dont have ...
high elf not night elf
spiral geode
But still elf
spiral geode
Ok true. Sorry for that.
jagged pier
and i agree with u we should have all races undead
but thats a bit unfair on say the alliance
as everyone would just play undead tbh
fierce field
there are undead of all other sorts in the game, but or player characters you're specifically the raised Forsaken from around Lordaeron
inland raft
Forsaken technically a third faction nust allied to the horde having all race models would make sense
sweet summit
No
inland raft
Gnome vulpera
sweet summit
Cease
winged lotus
gnome x vulpera
iron forum
id play a kul'gnoman human
spiral geode
Guys pls stop.
jagged pier
stop thats gross
sweet summit
inland raft
Gnome and vulpera mate and have a kid, Draenei and tauren mate and have a kid then those two mate
Best of all worlds
fierce field
Draegnomei
jagged pier
i would play a mini dreani tbf
winged lotus
thats not drawing, thats typing
jagged pier
iron forum
sweet summit
_ _
winged lotus
jagged pier
spiral geode
Use protection. As we are all prot.
winged lotus
spiral geode
And stop this madness.
inland raft
I can go further, then that kid dies and is raised as a forsaken
jagged pier
wait are we all forgetting u can play an undead of anyrace though
just play DK
LUL
spiral geode
No, i want to see gnome with canibalizm.
distant crystal
damn, that's actually a clutch idea
forsaken should be allowed to pick an alliance base-race
undead gnomes, dwarves, etc
distant crystal
/cast [@player] Turn Evil
fierce field
makes no sense lorewise that forsaken can be holy priests but not paladins
spiral geode
But priest can be shadow. There is no evil in paladins.
fierce field
what do you call the Scarlet Crusade? 🙂 light/shadow in WoW are cosmic forces, not channeling of good/evil
and Jakey... how do you think the fire mages cauterize works? 😉
spiral geode
Now i have no arguments.
sick sentinel
Guys, I'm re-specing to prot from fury and I wanna play as a tank for the new seasons. What are you guy's thoughts on it?
Should I level another class if I wanna play tank and keep the fury warrior?
winged lotus
Guys, I'm re-specing to prot from fury and I wanna play as a tank for the new se...
Thoughts: play what you like
jagged pier
should be fine the gear is interchangable tbh u just need a shield and a 1 hand
sick sentinel
Thoughts: play what you like
I know but I wanna do some boosting in the next season
winged lotus
Boosting as in u boosting people for gold?
sick sentinel
Yes
winged lotus
Idk I think boosting works on all tanks lol maybe dh goes a bit faster but it shouldn’t matter
sick sentinel
I'm pretty noob when it comes to tanking and prot war
However I'm pretty sure the mighty warrior is always an answer to everything 😄
winged lotus
Ye
jagged pier
i boost on it this season, but in terms of tanks its one of the more difficult pretty much most difficult tank to play
if u arent comfortable
you wont do well in boosting
winged lotus
jagged pier
well u said your a noob when it comes to prot
sick sentinel
A true warrior doesn't care about what's comfortable what's not man
jagged pier
if u are i wouldnt recommend boosting on it
as in boost runs u dont play defensivly and healers tend to not heal u much if at all
2 things that u kind of want to happen as prot
winged lotus
Deeps is where it’s at
jagged pier
exactly
if u dont know how to deal as prot with no healing/ playing agressivly with that
sick sentinel
as in boost runs u dont play defensivly and healers tend to not heal u much if a...
OH wow
jagged pier
you are going to have a bad time
jagged pier
u can start now and learn prot but its a steep learning curve compared to the other tanks, expect dk maybe imo
plush tendon
jagged pier
but then again dk is kinda ez keep boneshield up or your dead
but its the haste thats the issue
plush tendon
but then again dk is kinda ez keep boneshield up or your dead
Thats not at all how its played... but ok
jagged pier
thats what it was last time i played it
and never played it since
because it dogshit
winged lotus
Thats not at all how its played... but ok
plush tendon
Boneshield is a maintenance buff; its all about RP economy and not wasting resource or potential resource
wanton grotto
Dk in general is like pure resource management
And each spec has like 3-4 “resources” to manage
plush tendon
The way a DK dies is if they get 1 shot or the player misplays their rotation
sick sentinel
if u dont know how to deal as prot with no healing/ playing agressivly with that
Thank you for giving me the advice fam
you know what my noob brain thinks is that, I have Revenge to spend rage as aggressive ability and as in defensive I have sheildblock and ignore pain. So i'd keep the defensive buffs up while the adds are attacking and then use my revenge thunderclap to deal aoe damage and press shield slam whenever is up. and while my defensives are in cooldown I still have shockwave and on top of that I can fear for extra safety.
that's the rotation I can think of but tell me if there's anything I can do to better or differently
and I also have a question and it's that, would you always pay attention to your last hits for healing up using victory rush? or the healing at that point isn't the issue and you should just stay tanki?
winged lotus
Hmmmm wtf
fleet river
would you always pay attention to your last hits for healing up using victory rush?
its not a priority at all
winged lotus
It’s an extra basically
jagged pier
u can type it out fine, but a lot of ppl do that and then i see a log and they actually cant play correctly at all, and no u dont care about victory rush
fleet river
and you clearly know what your abilities do, the trick now is to understand the fights enough to know when you can spend rage offensively and when you will die if you do not have defensives up -> the next step is knowing how much defensive you need at any given point
jagged pier
☝️
its far better if u go out there log/ record yourself
and come back
im very happy to watch gameplay and look at logs to help ppl improve if i have the time
sick sentinel
and you clearly know what your abilities do, the trick now is to understand the ...
That's the hard part about playing prot, you really need to have a great game knowledge of each pack and fight
fleet river
that's nearly every tank though
sick sentinel
im very happy to watch gameplay and look at logs to help ppl improve if i have t...
Oh yea that's cool
fleet river
nobody has a singular tool for all jobs, and nearly every boss has active mitigation checks
when you start out just focus on not dying, because that kills a key much faster than the tank doing 1k dps instead of 1.6k dps
jagged pier
yer but this is the point he wants to boost
so he needs to learn not to die
and do loads of dps
which drops your mitigation down by a lot
in my boost runs i run seismic
so u loose a lot of defensive value
fleet river
reprisal makes it a lot easier to have your 15 seconds of "good enough" mitigation to get threat without blowing too much rage on it
sick sentinel
I've seen two or three prot wars in 20+ keys, not so many which scares me to go for it
jagged pier
they are fine
inland raft
Prot is fine its just a generally low represented tank
Its vanilla so people like to play the others
winged lotus
Any tank can do 20+ key probably
jagged pier
as there mitigation and choices are alot easier and kind of meh
winged lotus
sick sentinel
as there mitigation and choices are alot easier and kind of meh
That's what I'm saying 😄
fleet river
warriors don't have the utility kit of DH (aoe ranged silence, i'm jealous) and they dont have windows of invulnerability (druid). you can do the same job, but it just requires more from the rest of the group
inland raft
Dh is simple you run in do a lot of damage then go get coffee in africa
winged lotus
Please give taurens wings
sick sentinel
Thank you mighty warriors, I think I'd just play prot and encounter any kinda shit ahead of me
winged lotus
iron forum
Any tank can do 20+ key probably
any tank can do 25's really
iron forum
any tank can do 100's with the power of friendship
warm dirge
can anyone tell me what addon this is?
fleet river
that's a WA
jagged pier
☝️
winged lotus
Angrykeystones has something similar
fleet river
iron forum
but generally tanks are exceptionally well balanced now
random snow
Man that's what it feels like
winged lotus
Fuck tanks
jagged pier
and will be till we can look after our own survivability again
fleet river
make avatar great again
jagged pier
like dying on a boss fight becuase i havent been even hotted for 5 secs fucking sucks arse
random snow
Mained blood dk for the first part of the expansion
jagged pier
LUL
random snow
Love getting killed in a global
winged lotus
Mained blood dk for the first part of the expansion
iron forum
i know not everyone does, but i actually really enjoy where tanking is at now in m+, the feeling of having to work for survival instead of it being a given is satisfying
fleet river
m+ tanking is really fun right now, i just wish other people's butt-pulling didn't completely screw a route
that is a prideful issue though, not a tanking issue
iron forum
yeah prideful is an awful, awful affix
random snow
Its very group dependent and i run with idiot pugs a lot apparently. If i ran with more coordinated groups itd be much easier
fleet river
i do think it forces a clever conversation about group cooldown management, but it sucks that it is entirely about weighing your groups cooldowns against your poor healer's throughput
jagged pier
i know not everyone does, but i actually really enjoy where tanking is at now in...
im not saying it be a given we survive but back in legion and MoP u didnt need to depend on healers or dps not missing kicks etc to survive in legion if u played correctly and had the right leggos u didnt even need a healer for dungeons at like 15s but play wrong u die thats what i want back
but this bullshit of oh low dps
im dead
low healing i
im dead
no kicks
winged lotus
Kiting meta be like
jagged pier
im FUCKING DEAD
iron forum
yeah, i think its okay on key levels where you dont need to invest too much into pride, but once prides start requiring multiple strong cooldowns from everyone it becomes extremely toxic especially since hte best solution is often to just not do the pride and skip it
random snow
Ya agree with that.
sick sentinel
m+ tanking is really fun right now, i just wish other people's butt-pulling didn...
Oh yeah, I wish I could just pull, clear and go without looking back and worrying about my dps pulling extra
fleet river
im FUCKING DEAD
i dont disagree but it seems like the tank not living is the game's only analogue for group fail condition
other than stuff like kael shield, not hitting dps check resulting in everyone dying (which would have happened if the tank died anyway)
obtuse marsh
legion was insane pull and kite but was fine, now we take 3 mobs we need to kite as hell pog
iron forum
i dont disagree but it seems like the tank not living is the game's only analogu...
yeah in m+ the tank not living is by far the most common group fail condition, and like jakey mentioned the tank living is a team effort that requires contribution from everyone
still though i feel like in an organized group (not so much a pug) where i can call out all my group sutility as i want it, i still have lots of agency over my survival
i am very out of touch withwhat pugging keys is like though
random snow
Depends on the comp and skill of the others. I've had some really crappy ones
patent osprey
I have fun in all my pugs ^.^
winged lotus
I have fun in all my pugs ^.^
jagged pier
winged lotus
patent osprey
jagged pier
i did at the start, i dont anymore
iron forum
@patent osprey have you fixed your shield block WA yet from overlapping with cooldown tracker
prisma bear
i just made up the 2 yard number idk what it is but its quite close, tap your move keys away to shimmy the mobs where you want because its not a generous size
winged lotus
Shimmy to the right
iron forum
boogie down
balmy coral
223 helm with haste/verse or 226 helm with crit/mastery
jagged pier
226
fierce field
ok... 226 Vers/Crit chest to replace my 213 vers/crit chest, or 226 decanter of anima-charged winds to replace my sanguine vintage and/or hymnal?
jagged pier
chest
inland raft
haste mastery leech or haste vers helm
balmy coral
Really? 3 ilevel us worth going from ideal stats to worst stats!
fierce field
ok, tank you 🙂
jagged pier
Really? 3 ilevel us worth going from ideal stats to worst stats!
as strength is by far our best stat and helm is a high budget piece yes
jagged pier
haste mastery leech or haste vers helm
your choice
balmy coral
It is a dps increase and I have a ton of haste already.
hallow field
is slimy organ at all valuable for war or do i write it off
balmy coral
220 crit verse ring sims higher than 213 haste/mastery for damage.
jagged pier
its vendor spec @hallow field
hallow field
its vendor spec <@!239481323432050688>
👍
jagged pier
220 crit verse ring sims higher than 213 haste/mastery for damage.
because it has crit on it
hallow field
figured as much
jagged pier
enjoy your gold or stygia
real thunder
choice1= 226 ilvl helm, 92 haste, 50 mastery
choice2=223 ilvl helm, 58 haste, 82 verse, 60 leech
I know generally ilvl is king but in this case too? leech seems good
hallow field
i got boot upgrades 🙂 no 226 though, feelsbadman
real thunder
dang
jagged pier
u got for the 226 helm its 92 haste and top ilvl
real thunder
thx
balmy coral
Should I focus on haste crit now? I'm at ilevel 221, so I have quite a bit of gear to work with. I can hit around 900 haste with mixing around hear.
Gear*
patent osprey
erm I still get a good 13 % of my self healing from leech
patent osprey
I wouldn't say it's bad but I would probably go the higher ilvl ^.^
iron forum
How much leech is that though
patent osprey
leech is Def still good and I personally like it over avoidance but avoidance is good this season due to pride
iron forum
I'm a 0% leech Andy, but I am blessed with 15% avoidance
patent osprey
I ha e leech on 1 piece + cloak enchant
balmy coral
u focus on getting 226 ilvl on all pieces
I'm not mythic Raiding so the only option I have is vault.
jagged pier
I'm not mythic Raiding so the only option I have is vault.
well there u go then highest ilvl
balmy coral
well there u go then highest ilvl
I have tons of items are the same ilevel.
I keep gear and can level it up via valor.
stark sage
ilvl > haste > verse >mast/crit
unless you want to shoot for dps then crit moves up to verse basically
jagged pier
then which ever have the most haste when comapring pieces of the same ilvl
patent osprey
if focus is damage u can even forgo verse
haste is for SB uptime and rage
also Sims don't take into account reprisal at all
balmy coral
True
stark sage
you're also not really going to notice a huge difference optimizing stats
because str is the largest impact
balmy coral
For rings, does haste still trump 7 ilrvels?
jagged pier
For rings, does haste still trump 7 ilrvels?
depends jewlery is more feelcrafty but in general at 10-15 ilvls its better regardless because more stats > less better stats
balmy coral
I can get up to 20% verse :) but haste drops to 750
stark sage
i wouldnt drop haste for verse unless you're getting rekt by magic damage in high keys
patent osprey
personally I like my haste 20% + and I shove rest into verse for high keys, but just depends on your goals
there are no super hard break points you have to worry about yet this early in an expac
modern brook
i dislike when u say shit like that
signal plover
I just slap on highest Ilvl shit so I look good on audit sheet and can do my 1 key per week and raid log.
Izzi
modern brook
cuase then in 8 days ppl start asking
"hey i can takea 30 ilvl upgrade but it drops me to 19% haste"
jagged pier
☝️
iron forum
I just slap on highest Ilvl shit so I look good on audit sheet and can do my 1 k...
When you apply for groups doesn't it show bag ilvl?
jagged pier
it does show bag yer
signal plover
Lol imagine pugging
balmy coral
personally I like my haste 20% + and I shove rest into verse for high keys, but ...
I am sitting at around 27% haste, do you feel 20% while maxing ilevel feels good?
signal plover
Nah I mean on our raid roster audit
iron forum
@patent osprey if you were to play heavy repercussions, would you feel comfortable dropping a lot of haste in that case?
patent osprey
that's why I always say personally ^.^ but PERSONALLY, whenever I go below 20% I feel alot of downtime where I have nothing to press. There is no magic number but I do favor verse alot in high keys
no HR does better with high haste
signal plover
I think my haste is like 30 something pre-itf I honestly dont remember
modern brook
its just as soon as you put a number on anything
stark sage
remember favoring verse > haste is really only useful if you're pushing very high keys
modern brook
ppl just read the number
im a firm believer
that if you're asking about secondary stat balance
stark sage
yes people always latch onto numbers, its like a safey blanket
iron forum
no HR does better with high haste
How so? Id imagine that with low haste it still let's you have 100% shield block uptime, no?
modern brook
you are not doing content that requires you to worry bout it
patent osprey
but @modern brook putting blanket statements like haste> all is also not great when people get destroyed by magic dam. It's all a balancing act and what peoples goals are
jagged pier
How so? Id imagine that with low haste it still let's you have 100% shield block...
because it revloves around getting SS procs u get more with more haste
balmy coral
I pug 15s so having the ability to dish out damage and not die is idea
stark sage
but <@204081428869283843> putting blanket statements like haste> all is also not...
thing is, no one should be getting destroyed by magic damage if they're at the level of asking about stats
if you're doing high enough keys where you have to sack some haste for verse, you probably know how stats work already
patent osprey
@iron forum with low haste let's say sub 14% or something ull probably not have 100% uptime without itf
modern brook
thing is, no one should be getting destroyed by magic damage if they're at the l...
also your dps need to step the fuck up and play the game
stacking verse cause you play with brainlets is dumb
stark sage
'i get rekt by magic damage because no one interrupts, guess i should stack verse now'
instead of
you know
interrupting
patent osprey
I mean that's not just it right. tank busters are mitigated also by that verse
modern brook
theres def a point where verse begins to matter
but like
you saw it with corruption
patent osprey
but everything is prefaced by the content you are doing
fierce field
new blizz tos forbids me from using software to press their interrupt buttons for the dps 😦
modern brook
new blizz tos forbids me from using software to press their interrupt buttons fo...
LOL def a tank nerf
stark sage
but everything is prefaced by the content you are doing
of course, my point is
if you are at the skill level where its objectively better to stack verse to mitigate a buster because haste isnt cutting it
you have enough braincells to not need to ask
winged lotus
Dps and interrupting don’t go together
light thicket
I think my haste is like 30 something pre-itf I honestly dont remember
How?!
jagged pier
i can get to 30
modern brook
of course, my point is
if you are at the skill level where its objectively bette...
☝️
strange lintel
https://gyazo.com/6cc018b8d42cdb702f0f6e6a6333d499 finally T-T im so happy no more 220 garbagemedown
stark sage
99% of people asking about haste %s and when to stack verse are all KSM andys who are dying to low group damage and bad CC
jagged pier
but thats with a feelcraft ring so i run at 27%
signal plover
All my high Ilvl shit has haste on it
strange lintel
everyone minmaxin. here i am tanking with my fury gear huehue
i guess it only matters past 15s?
stark sage
i guess it only matters past 15s?
try like mid 20s
strange lintel
yeah see i dont go past 15s. i just want the mount and call it a day xD
sick sentinel
stark sage
highest ilvl > haste and correct play gets you basically to the top level
sick sentinel
literal same weapon +/- 15 stat lmao
modern brook
grats on ur stygia
stark sage
I wish there were a way to get it to 226 though
well that's what the vault is for tbf
patent osprey
mmm I can understand that pov, just my pov is typically to give an answer that'll apply at all levels of content. You can be high verse in a 5, 15, 25. You can also be verseless in a 25 but it'll Def be painful
neither pov is wrong though
stark sage
mmm I can understand that pov, just my pov is typically to give an answer that'l...
its just bad advice to tell someone only doing 10-15 keys to stack verse over haste
patent osprey
I don't think me saying I like 20% haste is equivalent to that though
modern brook
I don't think me saying I like 20% haste is equivalent to that though
idts either, fwiw
I just dont like giving hard numbers cause thats what ppl fixate on
it stops being "this is what feels good to me" and starts "20% is what plka said and hes best so its right"
btw i think ur the best :^)
iron forum
neither pov is wrong though
As a red blooded internet user I take your differing viewpoint on this arbitrary subject as a personal attack
stark sage
yeah people dont like context, they see X% and that becomes a fixation
patent osprey
I can see that POV. I will refrain from setting my preference on % unless specifically asked. But I do get the other side where people will just pure haste and wonder why a missed kick hurts so much 😦
patent osprey
whats more nuts is people who run pure Haste builds + ITF
and then your basically hitting 2-3 times the GCDs for the same result
that poor keyboard
modern brook
whats more nuts is people who run pure Haste builds + ITF
bro when we're in the fray we are IN the fray
fierce field
coming from monk used to 65-70 APM.... need more haste + moer ITF.... and PI me too baby!
iron forum
I'm over giga haste for awhile, I was arms all of 8.3
vocal bison
As a prot warrior it feels like stats are really pretty meaningless compared to ilvl unless you’re part of that 99.9 percentile.
I was initially tanking full 226 at 32% verse/10% haste cuz it was all pvp gear, have slowly got up to +20% haste as I swapped 226 gear from the vault, doesn’t seem to matter at all for someone that just runs nothing higher than a 19/20.
Like I have seen no major advantage either way at my level of M+
patent osprey
ilvl should always be the # 1 priority
stark sage
As a prot warrior it feels like stats are really pretty meaningless compared to ...
yeah that's the point
ilvl trumps everything else in basically all forms apart from edge cases where magic damage is involved
optimizing stats is something people blow out of proportion because they have dps brains or something
distant crystal
tbh dps is in the same boat mostly lol
modern brook
dps brain is wild tbh
stark sage
yeah but dps brains will never change @distant crystal
sick sentinel
always lightless enchant for weapon right not sinful ever
patent osprey
We did it bois! 226 Scale
chilly brook
We did it bois! 226 Scale
Ayyyyy
iron forum
We did it bois! 226 Scale
west kayak
WOOHOO!!!
patent osprey
POGGIEESSSSS @west kayak
west kayak
I could only run one last week, just dumb awesome luck!
fresh belfry
not opening my vault with tank specs anymore til 9.1 to not waste my scale luck
short kiln
7 iLvl on chest or 10 on Helm? Helm stat bump is technically higher
amber herald
9.1 there's a new absorb trinket from raid 
fresh belfry
yeah but why not both
limpid star
I've gotten scale on like 2 alts that I stopped tanking on but not yet on warr
and my M+ team's actual tank has yet to get it, while all the DPS have managed to on alts and such lol
blazing condor
I wonder how good the new cheat-death trinket from SoD will be compared to Splinter
somber sky
that cheat death feels more like a brez that's not a brez
limpid star
if I can't damage my allies with it then I'm not interested
lofty widget
i mean you die, so i'd assume so
somber sky
I mean from what it says, You have to die to use that trinket
fresh belfry
I understand it more like a state similar to purgatory
still pagoda
its just bad advice to tell someone only doing 10-15 keys to stack verse over ha...
advising to stack vers is a bad advice for any key level that you can do without vers
lofty widget
that already makes it kinda useless unless you have aoe taunt ready
blazing condor
sadge
fresh belfry
on the other hand
wild hemlock
finally got the juicy 226 shield
fresh belfry
can you dou death skips with that
blazing condor
🤔
lofty widget
isnt the "ress" only available for a short time?
honest plinth
3 seconds
fresh belfry
doesnt tell
lofty widget
so youd have to be the last to die, and also mobs have to run away again fast enough
fresh belfry
3 seconds was in the flavor text but it doesnt tell anymore
iron forum
unless the new cheat death trink is just awful for some reason, ill be shocked if absolutley everyone doesnt use it like with heart
cheat death is just way too good in current m+
lofty widget
i mean yeah, cheat death>no cheat death, just to have it
honest plinth
3 seconds was in the flavor text but it doesnt tell anymore
You need to use it in 3 sec after death or it will not work
blazing condor
you could almost always run a better trinket and just play more properly to avoid having to cheat death
lofty widget
but the new one will probably be inferior to alar
fresh belfry
You need to use it in 3 sec after death or it will not work
oh did you test it?
iron forum
you could almost always run a better trinket and just play more properly to avoi...
i mean in theory sure, but even the best tanks doing the highest keys are using it everywhere
blazing condor
well im talking about us mortals
iron forum
ESPECIALLY doin the highest keys id say, it takes such a small mistake to kill you there
blazing condor
doing 25+ keys definitely i'd say warrants a cheat death
but doing something like 18s isn't mandatory
but im not hating on it i use it myself unless im doing weeklies
honest plinth
oh did you test it?
I didnt but it how it works
fresh belfry
how so
iron forum
no definitely not, i run heraldry on anything 20 and under, but still for anyone doing a key which is a difficult key level for THEM, its a great asset to have
honest plinth
Yes. If it procs in your keys then its fine to use it
fresh belfry
how do you know how it works. there isnt even an aura attributed to the trinket in the spelldata
honest plinth
If its not you are wasting slot
honest plinth
how do you know how it works. there isnt even an aura attributed to the trinket ...
Im the prophet and i can read
honest plinth
Im fuzzy wuzzy rn :(
fresh belfry
you can read the flavor text that isnt in the game anymore and has been replaced with an actual effect that has no duration
you must be a wizzard then
honest plinth
I have mage alt ye
iron forum
but afaik, we do actually not know exactly how it works still right? like whether it drops threat when you die before you use the trink to res, and whether you regain threat after you res or not and stuff like that is important
maybe the details on that stuff have been confirmed and im juts not aware of it though
fresh belfry
it was pretty easy to kill roh-kalo but idk anyone who actually got it
honest plinth
If we lose threat it will be not that great trinket
iron forum
yeah, but if it does lose threat its less of a big deal for us than other tanks also
because of aoe taunt
definitely not ideal though
honest plinth
Thats True if you have it ready
iron forum
im interested to see though, i hope its good. playing without a cheat death in high keys just makes me feel naked
you might even see people still using sun king trink if its bad
limpid star
thinking I'm gonna get over my traditional dislike of raid tanking this week, am I correct in assuming I'm fine to use reprisal for pretty much every fight? on normal/heroic
strong meteor
Hi guys, newbie tank again in search for enlightenment. What trinkets do we aim for in the beginning of m+ march? Im still 180. Should i focus more of a defensive or a dps trinket?
honest plinth
We played in bfa
patent osprey
even if you lose threat, cheat trinkets are worth
it can make or break your key run
that 5 extra seconds it takes to brez
your drood might just get hit in the face
iron forum
yeah i 100% agree, but stuff like that does definitely change just how good it is though
honest plinth
True
limpid star
well we established in an earlier conversation that if you die it's the DPS's fault for missing a kick
patent osprey
play arms 🙂 die by sword easy
limpid star
so that time when you lose threat is their punishment
iron forum
i miss playing arms in keys, being able to dbts intervene tank felt so cozy
fresh belfry
well i thought when you die its your fault because youre playing a class that can actually die
iron forum
im not an arms god like critcake though
limpid star
don't wanna catch threat during my cheat death? get your kicks straight, fools
iron forum
idk how he makes it work
limpid star
exactly
fresh belfry
outrageous you cant reflect it btw
iron forum
i miss being able to reflect that dot in beta
#makespellreflectgreatagain
also that dot hurts so much its unreal, i did a 22 halls last week on tyran and i think thats the msot ive ever been slapped around as a tank by a boss
honest plinth
Hi guys, newbie tank again in search for enlightenment. What trinkets do we aim ...
Scale from hakkar (DE OTHER SIDE) is our bis trinket. 2nd one doesnt matter actually if you are doing low keys. You can use phial from pf( change loit spec to fury or arms) or hymnal from world quest or table etc
blazing condor
spell reflect do be op either way doe
iron forum
spell reflect is still really cool yeah
its one of my favorite abilities in the game
some interactions with it are weird though. like how you can kill all the melee in yoru group by reflecting the anger dot from the manifestations of fury in SD, but reflect a curse of obliteration in HoA and everything is cool
fresh belfry
RIP Dark Simulacrum (*2011-2016)
honest plinth
also that dot hurts so much its unreal, i did a 22 halls last week on tyran and ...
Afaik its about 70-80% of ttank health in 25 on Last ticks
blazing condor
just pump revenj and blame healer
iron forum
just pump revenj and blame healer
strong meteor
Scale from hakkar (DE OTHER SIDE) is our bis trinket. 2nd one doesnt matter actu...
Ty for help
verbal rapids
what stat percentages currently looking like ? I am running 9crit, 27haste, 35mast, 13vers
jagged pier
stats really dont matter
as long as u have your highest ilvl armour pieces equiped your good
fleet river
asterisk trinkets
verbal rapids
lets say i am trying to min/max
jagged pier
u only do that once u have 2 armour pieces the same ilvl can u choose the one with more haste
jagged pier
asterisk trinkets
'armour' pieces
fleet river
sorry there is a silly extra letter in there
next youre going to try and convince me colour is a word
verbal rapids
I am 225 equiped so secondaries are a bigger part now
honest plinth
Hast vers if same ilvl
jagged pier
I am 225 equiped so secondaries are a bigger part now
then 
verbal rapids
Sure.... But my question was to see percentages people running.... Not priority
warped schooner
I just got a 213 IQD from my vault, is IQD a good trinket to run?
jagged pier
not really
flint tiger
so i have a 220 ilvl pvp cloak (haste/vers), and my cache is super meh for me this week. I'm pushing high M+ key content and not raiding, what would you guys go with?
220 helm 41 haste/96 mastery vs. equipped PvP helm 95 vers/43 mastery
226 cloak 28 crit/51 haste vs equipped 220 pvp cloak haste/vers
226 cloak 31 vers / 48 mastery vs equipped 220 pvp cloak haste/vers
wish i could pvp more to get the 226 pvp cloak and then i'd just get stygia i guess, but i'm stuck at the rival dream
jagged pier
whats the ilvl of your helmet?
flint tiger
also 220
jagged pier
haste cloak then
flint tiger
even at the cost of higher vers?
jagged pier
yes
stark sage
ilvl > haste
flint tiger
right, was just curious if i should aim for more vers over haste if with the ilvl reqs
since bleeds/magic is our biggest weakness
guess going haste/crit still decent
stark sage
and most importantly 226 >> 220
strong forum
ilvl > haste > whatever, really
jagged pier
ilvl > haste > ver> mastery/crit
strong forum
stats dont matter
jagged pier
its in the pins
flint tiger
right, but i've heard from some other high key tanks like Plka that they like to go vers over haste (assuming same ilvl) cause bleeds wreck
stark sage
our stats are pretty damn close, and str is the most impactful by a lot
not worth giving up ilvl for verse
flint tiger
so was curious if i'd get the 226 vers cloak instead
cause I have two cloaks in my cache
both at 226
jagged pier
are u doign 25s?
modern brook
Welcome to who's gear is it anyways, where priorities are in the pins and secondaries dont matter
elfin nova
230 is also more than 225
flint tiger
still a ways to go till 25s, but no idea if the magic/bleeds are scary at 20s or only 25s lol
elfin nova
You can go even further beyond
strong forum
rule of thumb, if it has haste, pick it
jagged pier
still a ways to go till 25s, but no idea if the magic/bleeds are scary at 20s or...
then it dont matter even at 20 it doesnt matter
flint tiger
kk so 25s is the threshhold where then it becomes a point to consider?
strong forum
na
modern brook
the threshold to consider more verse
stark sage
still a ways to go till 25s, but no idea if the magic/bleeds are scary at 20s or...
if you are dying to magic/bleeds while still playing correctly and your dps are decent, then verse might be the answer
but secret hint, if you're not doing very high keys then you wont need to stack verse
strong forum
nerf did 25s with 209 ilvl and 7% vers