we had a boomkin
#protection
ionic fern
Jeh but they are all fotm re-rollers and don't know what they are doing.
coral kayak
That boomi coulda just moonfire them lol
Destro lock and explosive dont work tho, affli is good but destro nop
jagged pier
like the fact that i could turn my camera target Heroic throw or chrage the explosives before the range standing next to it can hit it is mind blowing
coral kayak
How does that happen in a 19?
autumn pendant
👋
ionic fern
👋
solemn magnet
That warlock tab targeted wrong 1 time and never again.
warm dirge
I know I'm probably really overthinking this but how do I properly metagate using ignore pain and shield block do I just use both them off the CD and try to never rage cap
jagged pier
enemy damage taken, then find exploves
limpid star
I'd try switching to vulpera if it didn't cost so much money to race change, but less for the passives and more because it'd be funny to be a little furry bastard running around in plate armor named Dragonslayer
oof is that a resto druid not hitting explosives why are people like this
solemn magnet
I know I'm probably really overthinking this but how do I properly metagate usi...
You use SB when you're actively taking physical damage. You only use IP if you're taking magical and don't have SR up, or if you're basically about to die and need to smooth out dmg, or if you're going to cap rage and can't revenge for some reason.
You can keep it rolling if it makes you feel comfortable, but you'll end up wasting rage or could become starved. So would not recommend.
warm dirge
You can keep it rolling if it makes you feel comfortable, but you'll end up wast...
Ok. Becuase currently i been using revenge when its free. And using IP for rage dumping while keeping SB up during packs
solemn magnet
I'd use revenge for dumping when you can instead of IP if you're not going to die
misty charm
enemy damage taken, then find exploves
do you know by any chance how to delete a bookmark? 🤔
jagged pier
im afraid not
flint tiger
Dwarf is the master race
elfin nova
pale roost
are prot warrior ok in mythic+?
pale roost
ah heard they were in bottom. but couldent say as i dont often see them in dungons
short kiln
there are few people playing them well, but they are definitely doing the same dungeons as VDH/Bears
+25s easy
pale roost
thats nice to hear. might try it out. could be fun 🙂
short kiln
Reprisal leggo makes for a really mobile and exciting playstyle
pale roost
are warriors as dh and kite alot or can they take more frontal damage?
stark sage
frontal
short kiln
and SB is hilarious in most dungeon packs because you just block everything. Easier to heal than most tanks as a result
stark sage
warrior is probably the best at just sitting and tanking
so long as the damage is blockable
short kiln
exactly this
pale roost
seeing as i mainly are fury. would my stats being haste/mastery be bad as warrior tank?
pale roost
thats nice. got 900 haste atleast
short kiln
Would hazard to say that aside from Prot Pally, which does near DPS levels of damage, PW is close to or even with VDH in terms of damage
it's kind of about playstyle preference
sit, tank and pump, or sigil, sigil, kite
lol
pale roost
is IQD trinket bad as prot. i can prob guess its not ideal but seeing as its my best fury trinket and i dont rly have other good tank trinkets. using that and bell
plush tendon
Not ideal, but not totally useless
maiden notch
picked up tanking for the first time as prot, at 213 i feel really squishy even on weeks like this, noticeably the first two packs of DOS. do you think i should run the wall+bolster, reprisal+bolster, or what im currently running anger management+reprisal?
to help with my overall learning of tanking
amber herald
everyone feels squishy on those DOS packs to be fair
rancid ember
What Key Lvl CW?
maiden notch
12's+
pressing shield wall on the first pack feels really shitty, I usually kyrian potion, commanding shout and last stand the first and just wall the second
rancid ember
Definitely run Reprisal for M+, takes some getting used to but has by far the most benefit.
Those 2 packs are tough but most groups Lust the 1st pack, and then save SW + LS for 2nd pack if you can.
short kiln
the packs can be scary for sure, they come down to positioning and ensuring proper kicks and CD management. That's almost exactly where I'm at now and the group really makes the difference there
lots of magic damage from those pulls. If you can get that prevented you will find them MUCH easier to manage
maiden notch
it's just really annoying rn because i need the dos trinket, so im kinda forced to keep running it until it drops. and those first two packs are so unmotivating
maiden notch
lots of magic damage from those pulls. If you can get that prevented you will fi...
yeah i get that
rancid ember
The 1st pack doesn't have as much magic dam as 2nd pack. As long as you got SB up you should be fine on that pack. You can Shockwave -> Spell reflect for big dam
amber herald
remember to press S and never let go
short kiln
honestly, I'm running DoS literally all day Sat/Sun for that exact reason
rancid ember
Are you lusting 1st Pack in your route CW?
maiden notch
yep
the first pack is usually okay if i rotate LS (no bolster), commanding, and demo with shockwave
but sometime if i LS the first pack i get absolutely obliterated on the second pack
i try to just charge-> kick shadowcore, and press spell reflect, demo, wall on the second pack
and just pray
and jump but sometime i just die
chilly brook
picked up tanking for the first time as prot, at 213 i feel really squishy even ...
First two packs are literally all magic damage
rancid ember
Yeah you should be able to save both for 2nd Pack really.
The 1st pack is mainly Phys damage and dodging the flowers they put on the ground. As long as you keep SB up the whole time you should be fine w/o big CD's outside of Lust.
chilly brook
Even the melees are magic
maiden notch
do you recommend playing bolster over anger?
chilly brook
No
rancid ember
No
light thicket
chilly brook
Honestly in DoS I'd just run AM/The Wall
maiden notch
yeah im still learning sometime i smash IP too much
rancid ember
Honestly one of the biggest differences on 1st pack for me atleast is using a turnip / killing 1st 2 mobs to go in with max RP/Fury/Rage
maiden notch
hm maybe I'll try that
rancid ember
I mean before you start the key but I think you got that.
blazing condor
Man literally no one is doing keys this week
search for a 20 and you find 1 maybe 2
rancid ember
Unless you doing a weekly no leaver why you bothering with a 20 on Tyr week? 😄
royal rune
spring anchor
hey guys
any prot running night fae? what soulbind you use ? korain or niya ?
short kiln
Korayn for m+ niya for raid
Niya is also fine in m+ but korayn can get them big dick numbers up if his ability is used right
pale roost
what enchant is best for dungons on weapon?
worn crest
Korayn also offers a small damage reduction if your enemies are facing you. I found it handy in higher keys.
sweet summit
you usually play first strike tho
solemn kelp
Really hurting for a 1h weapon drop for my Prot War, 210 so far and 213 shield. Any advice?
worn crest
Do you have KSM to upgrade those?
chilly brook
Korayn also offers a small damage reduction if your enemies are facing you. I fo...
The small DR he offers isn't worth
orchid garden
Man literally no one is doing keys this week
Why that? This week is awesome and easy. The last two weeks were totally dead.
blazing condor
yeah this week is fine
no one likes tyrannical of course
idk at any given time there's only about 1-3 +20 keys
its weird
orchid garden
Depending on the dungeon it’s even easier on tyrannical. Some are better, some worse.
blazing condor
🤷♂️
orchid garden
But the other affixed are great. Take a priest and it’s like there I no single affix.
There is*
warm remnant
As the bard, yes.... I am a must >.>
solemn kelp
Do you have KSM to upgrade those?
No. No KSM, only managed up to 14s right now. I was hoping that maybe running fury loot spec or something might give me a better chance at a weapon.
rancid ember
But the other affixed are great. Take a priest and it’s like there I no single a...
I've had multiple priests this week that I had to teach bursting is dispellable in 15+ keys 👀
warm remnant
As a priest, having another priest ask me "What spell did you just sap that with!?" hurt my soul.
blazing condor
too many DPS brains in keys this week
only pushing buttons letting the bursting stacks increase and tick
warm remnant
Need to find me some consistent groups finish KSM on at least one character zzz
worn crest
No. No KSM, only managed up to 14s right now. I was hoping that maybe running fu...
Ah gotcha, no worries! Fury wouldn't increase it because then you run the change getting a 2 hander potentially instead of what you need for prot.
sage raft
happy friday gamers
light sorrel
What trinkets am I looking for in regards to progression raiding?
I was thinking Scale+Phoenix but I'm not sure
mighty valley
splintered heart is only good during prog if tank deaths are cutting attempts short a lot while people learn mechanics
covert heron
Has anyone else thought they should make prot execute like fury?
sweet summit
yes
cloud trench
So is prot warrior going to be a good pick into the next patch
outer solstice
30% too much??
I'm at over 50% in raid(with ITF) there is no such thing as too much haste 😛
outer solstice
splintered heart is only good during prog if tank deaths are cutting attempts sh...
it's still nice in farm to ignore mechanics intentionally
deep steppe
So is prot warrior going to be a good pick into the next patch
Prot war is already a good pick. So yes
cloud trench
Ok
orchid garden
I've had multiple priests this week that I had to teach bursting is dispellable ...
🙁 people rerolled so often, they don’t Even know their basic spells.
pale roost
what talent setup would you guys recomend in mythic+ using reprisal legen if that helps
jagged pier
dev/BSC/rav/indom/AM
pale roost
btw as fae in dungons we going first strike?
astral whale
everyone here will tell you korayn and first strike is the only way to go but niya will feel a little tankier
brittle owl
still pagoda
brittle owl
revenj 
blazing condor
🎬
plush tendon
Anytime you can abuse first strike, Korayn gains value
So in M+ setting, Korayn has insane value, whereas in most raid fights Niya will outperform cause burrs go burr
sweet summit
📈
outer solstice
yeah but in dungeons like TOP first strike is often not as useful
sweet summit
you proc it off banner in glad wing, the small adds in construction wing and the adds on last boss
outer solstice
yeah but I still like burrs + the mastery buff
sweet summit
thats fine, but that doesnt mean first strike isnt often useful in ToP
wanton condor
first strike is pretty useful in top as you can trigger it on the bosses pretty constantly
banner/decaying adds/caster adds on bosses 2/4/5
sweet summit
yes, thats what i said 
signal plover
First strike is pretty useful in top tbh, it usually triggers on the bosses
sweet summit
i will end you 
obtuse marsh
any kyrian pot utility in new raid btw ?
feral dock
Do you soak the orbs on 3rd boss spires? Or do you let your team e.g. hunter soak?
warm remnant
Id say thats up to the team
feral dock
Just had an argument with my hunter friend. He said tanks need to soak, because it would be a dps loss xD
jagged pier
depends on key lvl
feral dock
+14 atm
jagged pier
any kyrian pot utility in new raid btw ?
no i dea probably a few
then u should be able to do that perfectly fine
feral dock
I took like 6 orbs and took tons of damage :/
jagged pier
did u prep for it?
feral dock
Any chance i can mitigate this damage somehow?
jagged pier
because u can take 10 on +18 tryan
feral dock
Guess not
jagged pier
well i have before
u can only take the first set
but if you use demo
u demo when u leave the boss
put rav down as well
so u can generate rage for IP
sweet summit
demo, scale, IP, SW, SR, healer external
jagged pier
use LS at like 4-5 stacks
scale at like 8
SW at 10
and SR
dam done
u can only soak the first set
feral dock
SW helps against those orbs?
sweet summit
shield wall reduces all damage you take by 50%
jagged pier
and dont wait for the orbs to get to the boss its better to go pick them up when they spawn
so the dot has pretty much fallen off by the time the boss starts again
obtuse marsh
kyrian in this new raid feel less usefull than cn
jagged pier
imo its still probably best for progression unless u can work necrolord perfectly everytime, and sure the new raid might not be based around bleeds like CN was, but that also didnt work in the pots favour to start with as they had to stop it from clearing a lot of thing so the kyrian wouldnt be mega OP, but now from what i would think if they put a bleed or somthing into the new raid the phial should be able to cleanse it as hopefully there wont be a bleed on like every fight, could be wrong havent raid tested. but also dont under value the just an extra hp pot it gives as well
also dungeons arent changing and the cleanse is pretty big in them
patent osprey
yeah but in dungeons like TOP first strike is often not as useful
but but banners on Xav, last boss spawns adds, gorechomp spawns adds, if you pull in ghosts on kul thorak:D FS Value
granite parrot
imo its still probably best for progression unless u can work necrolord perfectl...
won't necro be kinda nasty if boomkins are still strong? for raids
iron forum
but but banners on Xav, last boss spawns adds, gorechomp spawns adds, if you pul...
do you sync up reflects for pulls like the overseer packs in SD and slimes in DoS? ones that cast on random party members, so you have to be the only one in combat with them for a few seconds for it to work
or is that not worth
jagged pier
won't necro be kinda nasty if boomkins are still strong? for raids
by nasty do u mean good? sure its will be better than it is now with the extra soulbinds and leggo the damage increase is gunna be more for the raid, but u still have to buff the correct ppl and lineing up 3 ppls cds etc for the right time could be tricky, i personally will only ever play necro if its 100% required which it never will be its just not for me
strong forum
youre gonna be buffing warlocks
not boomkins :^)
their CDs also line up way better in 9.1 since they will turn into a 2min class
undone oriole
Do vulpera racials beat out highmountain Tauren for damage mit?
jagged pier
yes they beat out 1% vers
undone oriole
I feel like that charge is another excellent way to get another reprisal proc. I’m orc right now but looking to switch to one of the affirmentioned.
That’s crazy
strong forum
hmt charge is very slow and often causes you to get hit into the back
cant recommend using it
undone oriole
Yeah figured it was a bit clunky
jagged pier
u shouldnt need to use it to get rep buff ither tbh
i cant really speak i an panda super race
but it i was to minmax would be vulp
undone oriole
Damn was hoping my assumptions weren’t right. Is 8-10% worth my soul? Lol
jagged pier
i mean racials are a very very samll factor
and wont hold u back in any content
just play the race u like
strong forum
being X race over the other wont matter
even in the highest of high keys there are different races found among pwars
wanton condor
I stay orc because it's the only race with decent mogs and no clipping on horde
even if the shoulders float
jagged pier
eh?
wanton condor
over going vulp
jagged pier
more to your statment about orc being the only one with decant mogs
wanton condor
that also doesn't clip
jagged pier
when undead and look good, belf panda taruen
wanton condor
belf clip
I still believe, despite one being my main, that tauren and HM do not mog well
strong forum
the only not ugly horde races are belf, troll and vulp
wanton condor
armor is just not well designed for the hunch
strong forum
everything else is hella ugly
wanton condor
especially with how tauren/HM manes clip through everything
small races just have the dual issue of mad ear clipping and terrible armor scaling sizes
strong forum
tauren have one of the worst tmog models in the game
wanton condor
orcs you can cover up most of the uggo at least if you go straight backed
strong forum
the only small race that has armor scaling is gnome
wanton condor
have you seen vulp cloaks
strong forum
dwarf vulp and gnoblin are omega fine
id say that vulp cloak is actually insanely well designed
given that theyre shorter
sweet summit
using cloaks for tmog 
strong forum
very very good on their part
wanton condor
but it's not jus the scaling, it's that the models' proportions are vastly different from what they use to design the armor
IT'S LIKE WEARING A NAPKIN
amber herald
trolls > all
wanton condor
or an ascot backwards
strong forum
but the shoulders to chest to gloves ratio is amazing on small races besides gnome
when on orc its 80% shoulders
wanton condor
I do really wish there was a shrink shoulders option
jagged pier
which is why its bis
wanton condor
although right now I really like the raid chest+waist
with no shoulders or anything
strong forum
its quite insane that the best tmogs for panda ALL exclude using shoulders
wanton condor
need a Fit to Fat slider for pandas
strong forum
i never farmed that shield colour 
wanton condor
"you can be an awesome fit panda but you have to give up the bouncy racial"
jagged pier
i mean im usually female panda, but im not changing till sire is dead want to be a chungus boi
and i didnt ither
novel temple
Where do you get that shield color again?
jagged pier
we just did some 'fun' RBGS' this expansion so got it then
novel temple
I’ve got like three other colors
Oof
That’s the RBG one
You did give me some good ideas for my other mogs though
jagged pier
this seasons elite set no joke looks good on a panda both genders
sweet summit
rate mog
jagged pier
😍
sweet summit
strong forum
/ 
sick sentinel
The boots seem a bit off 🙂
jagged pier
☝️
sick sentinel
Na i mean kind of they look like something from vanilla or smth detail/resolution wise somehow.
sick sentinel
Compared to the high res rest of the set.
strong forum
think theyre TBC greens
sweet summit
theyre clearly red 
strong forum
jagged pier
See i wish for fury it wasnt SMF or titans grip i wish it was just a tmog option then could have a 2h and 1 h for max mog gains
amber herald
it's like a clown mog but good
strong forum
okay now im not sure if troll or not
patent osprey
do you sync up reflects for pulls like the overseer packs in SD and slimes in Do...
only the slimes in dos. the overseer packs it either happens or doesn't. it's not too bad either way
hollow sun
do you guys use TC to do damage or just to keep aggro? I am trying to go as offensive as possible, but i can't reach 4k overall damage ( i am doing 15s-16s, NF Koralyn) and i am literally pressing revenge as much as possible but i still can't get to that treshold 😐
lunar ridge
hi yall new around here!
inland raft
Tc is rage and can reset ss for more rage so its def pressed a lot
lunar ridge
oh its my boy Plka!!!
patent osprey
Hi @lunar ridge !
lunar ridge
hey buddy i joined the disc like you recommended 😄
patent osprey
do you guys use TC to do damage or just to keep aggro? I am trying to go as offe...
Revenge will allocate more threat than TC but just a balancing act cause TC gives u more rage to Revenge but not more than shield slam
inland raft
Plka is a good influence, i became a furry because of him
patent osprey
<3 the warrior community :)
patent osprey
do you guys use TC to do damage or just to keep aggro? I am trying to go as offe...
BSC + AM will help u with more dam but also the size of your pulls
hollow sun
pika, i didn't knew if to ask in your chanel or here xD
still waiting for the 2nd part of your guide 
patent osprey
Always up to you :)
also sorry.. life's been hectic cause of tax season. Life of entrepreneur T_T
hollow sun
sure thing. What is BSC btw?
inland raft
Bv is a trap bsc is bae
hollow sun
ahhh
inland raft
More revenj dam
patent osprey
BV is nice on ST where BSC doesn't matter ralso has a defensive component
hollow sun
i do big damage on aoe, but in ST is very underwhelming
maybe my 216 il is a problem?
inland raft
Theater booming peob safe play but generally i want to pump more
But im a dps main trapped in a tanks body so i just want to pump
patent osprey
trust, as soon as I could make seismic at 235 I did :) I a Mongo tank
inland raft
1 more week i can make mine
jagged pier
hi yall new around here!
👋
sweet summit
tame jasper
👋
coral jasper
Is 17% haste and 21% verse good? I'm trying to get a gauge on what the "average" is .. In +18ish keys
Or would you want more haste/
sweet summit
if that is your highest item level gear, then yeah
coral jasper
Well gear wise yeah but neither ring has haste on it but it CAN.. So.. was JW if I should ^ my haste or w/e.. I feel it's fine especially with reprisal
jagged pier
Stats really dont matter if you in your highest ilvl youll be perfectly fine
Suvivability is 98% play
coral jasper
Right. Feel it. Thanks.
98% Play and 2% Scale (Trink from DOS)? BC I'll never get the other 2%.
jagged pier
Nah 2% dps and healers
coral jasper
hah vtrue
serene pine
Anyone watching a good tank stream rn?
jagged pier
Plka or snse or andy if any of them are streaming
timber nest
what makees skulker wing do more damage?
serene pine
Sweet ty
limpid star
trust, as soon as I could make seismic at 235 I did :) I a Mongo tank
What situations do you run seismic in, just for funsies or?
I too am a dps in a tank body so I'm always up for more dam
crimson shadow
hi guys, recently made a prot alt and i'm struggling a bit because this spec feels very low apm?
playing with devastator it often feels like i have nothing to press for a few seconds at a time
jagged pier
What situations do you run seismic in, just for funsies or?
Keys where you feel safe, and mists pretty much
crimson shadow
at least coming from vdh and bear where there are spammable no cd/no cost generators
jagged pier
Should feel like that even playing deva tbh, in aoe there should never be down time ST very occasional
How geared is your alt?
crimson shadow
only like 190
jagged pier
Hmmm, maybe a slight gear issue, but even then in aoe should be fine
limpid star
Makes sense ty jakey 👌
jagged pier
Hard to tell you got any logs?
crimson shadow
no, i'm only planning to m+ this char
jagged pier
Well logs for m+ can help tell if your doing anythig wrong
crimson shadow
i guess it's more of a l2p issue to some extent because i'm just mashing clap/shield slam/condemn and hoping one comes off cd
patent osprey
What situations do you run seismic in, just for funsies or?
yeah what Jake said. either keys which u find easy to survive or any level of mists since its a low tank damage dung
jagged pier
And logs will help us as well as we could tell you how to improve on what your doing if there are any huge falls
iron forum
yeah what Jake said. either keys which u find easy to survive or any level of mi...
You would run it even on a24 or 25 mists?
patent osprey
@iron forum I have
but at that level I wouldn't run it without a boomkin also not on inspiring
versed cedar
whats the shield wall cd with the wall??
(ofc not exactly)
and how do i know with what i should use my rage?? ignore pain or shield block?? whats better??
and how bad is not using ravager for dgs??
( im new to warr)
jagged pier
So the lowest possible cd you can get with the wall is 55 secs (but thats running Am) where you usually run bolster with the wall so more likely 1:10-1:30 mins instead
In terms of what to use rage on
SB is your prio if you have that up already
You ither revnge for damage or IP to help smooth damage
In most cases you will just revenge because IP really doesnt do much
lunar ridge
do u SS for ST? or still revenge?
lunar ridge
whenever they proc right?
lunar ridge
right, I just swapped ky rian but im debating on going back NF since ill mainly only be doing m+
i wanna see the power of korayn
jagged pier
And SS as often as you can in ST and AOE if you arent going to overcap rage
lunar ridge
yeah iwas talking to plka about it in his chat someitmes i feel rage starved
dumping to much into ignore pain
jagged pier
Couldnt tell you without logs tbh
lunar ridge
i also have a bad habit of over stacking block, thinking the timer stacks
lunar ridge
it does?
versed cedar
In most cases you will just revenge because IP really doesnt do much
ty ty sooo much
lunar ridge
well shit maybe im blind as a mfer
jagged pier
And with bolster 18+ls duration
lunar ridge
u have to block,reprisal,block again right?
versed cedar
like im asking cuz in lvling i felt more safier using ignore pain instead shieldblock
but thats prob a lvling ilusion
jagged pier
Then do repirsal stuff
strong forum
like im asking cuz in lvling i felt more safier using ignore pain instead shield...
leveling is nothing like endgame
not even close
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
and SB scales into higher dmg intake, whereas IP is a set amount and just gets absorbed quickly and then youre left with nothing
ideally you wanna layer both, with prioritising SB at pretty much all times
during leveling your rage generation is abysmally low so it can feel like you have to choose between X and Y button
lunar ridge
like im asking cuz in lvling i felt more safier using ignore pain instead shield...
i know for a fact, if it's physical dmg u wanna use block, you take 0 physical dmg as a warrior if you have block
strong forum
but in later stages of the game you can just SB and Revenge away to your hearts content
lunar ridge
think prot warr or dh is gonna be the top tank next tier, or even bear?
strong forum
"taking 0 phys dmg as warrior" in this context is a hyperbole, dont take it too seriously, we take very little
versed cedar
during leveling your rage generation is abysmally low so it can feel like you ha...
ya i didnt have rage to do both
jagged pier
think prot warr or dh is gonna be the top tank next tier, or even bear?
Bear by the looks of it
lunar ridge
"taking 0 phys dmg as warrior" in this context is a hyperbole, dont take it too ...
yeah very little 🙂
jagged pier
Andy tanked the first boss of top with the enrage add on 27 for 1 min solo on ptr as bear
Pretty strong
strong forum
bear scales incredibly well into multiple targets
but is weak on low amount of targets
jagged pier
Thats true
strong forum
well duh
jagged pier
They dont watch here otherwise we would have fury execute at least tbh
versed cedar
and SB scales into higher dmg intake, whereas IP is a set amount and just gets a...
ty ty ❤️
some times i was like "hmmm i have no more rage and my ip is over rip"
jagged pier
tfw a brit doesnt know the difference between lose and loose
A brit that cant spell or write, because of that brain thing i cant spell
Or read for that matter
jagged pier
limpid star
Alternatively life is easy because you don't have to read bad things
jagged pier
amber herald
1 leggo nerf and gg
nah they have another build with barkskin leggo that is pretty strong too
just happens the thrash-shield leggo is both braindead and just as good
blazing condor
all jakey knows is revenj
jagged pier
limpid star
I actually liked the bark skin leggo a lot when I was messing around with bear
lucid hull
hey guys any mikanikos funs?
which route should i take
hammer of genesis or sparking driftlobe core?
for mythic +
blazing condor
kleia on necro week
lucid hull
jagged pier
well thats the wrong route for pelagos as well imo
distant crystal
the first one can be solid for necrotic week m+
lucid hull
should i run the second one for now?
amber herald
yeah
uneven river
whats best soulbind for a nf prot boys ?
maiden notch
into the fray or ravenger? 😮 im kinda liking ITF it feels good to play in dungeons
warm remnant
I think I've untalented Ravager for all of one dungeon and put it right back on XD
warm remnant
Feels good to throw it out as I charge
warm remnant
Fuck the meta, if you want to play it play it
amber herald
strong tank
ionic fern
Still lackluster as start of the patch?
We are in a really good place and have been for a while now.
clear grove
is there a max duration for shield block?
coral kayak
is there a max duration for shield block?
I believe 18 secs
lavish oracle
18s without Bolster talented
versed cedar
hey guys if im venthyr should i use nadjia or draven??
lavish oracle
With bolster talented it's 33s, I think, would have to doublecheck
clear grove
just wondering the max duration so i dont overcap it with reprisal
i've seen it go 15-16 so was wondering if there was a max limit
also are there any sources that explains block's formula and how it works in detail
lavish oracle
https://blog.askmrrobot.com/diminishing-returns-other-bfa-tank-formulas/
This is from BFA so some of the specifics have changed but block generally works the same way
K this patch is ~2500, 2455 for M+ and a little higher in raid
I don't remember the exact raid values
clear grove
thanks
undone oriole
andy shot from the 20th range to 3 in the past week
sweet summit
he is ramping 
sudden kayak
took me a week from 0 to 49 horde tauren prot warrior now im at the covenant choosing person we choose kyrian for prot?
sweet summit
kyrian or night fae
sudden kayak
kk
modern brook
he is ramping <a:huggies:800812796647833632>
scaling even
sweet summit
bonk
violet jetty
is explosive supposed to be a tank and healer only affix?
inland raft
Its a group affix depending on what kits you have but the more the tank and heals can get the better
violet jetty
ok, i guess i just need to get better. i feel like im running all over the place and taking mobs out of certain dps cds
short kiln
Just use a heroic throw mouse over macro and it's much easier
But you can also hit it with a revenge and still cleave into the pack
tropic linden
Is it worth to put Avatar and Demoralizing Shout in a same macro?
tropic linden
But i can use the spell to use just DS if Avatar is on CD
The only problem i see is using both at the same time and losing rage
cause is 70 rage total
sudden kayak
does any one think like this night fae you can be fury and prot but i chose kyrian cuz ur a dedicated prot warrior u cant really go dps ur full time tank bbut whats cool is u have 3 big a rage generators booming voice spear of bastion ravager i was looking at neftank for kyrian and redwoyer for night fae sorry im dum took 4 shots to the dome
nerftank*
jagged pier
nf is the best covenant if your duel speccing
sudden kayak
yea true
jagged pier
and AA actually gens more rage and spear in 2 targets plus
but it depends in what your talking
sudden kayak
omg yea i see that now im looking at warcraft logs top prot warriors
they take the revenge talent
jagged pier
if your talking m+ and your only going to m+ NF is opjectivly the better covenant
until u get to really high keys
sudden kayak
i see
jagged pier
but honestly just play the covenant u like as prot is in a place where u can play all 4 and be fine
sudden kayak
im thinking since im a beginner booming voice can add a lot of ignore pain or i mean increasing the mitigate number on your ignore pain buff but yea i dont even know whats going on im tipsy as hell lol but yea guna stick with kyrian
jagged pier
ignore pain is not our main mitigation
sudden kayak
block?
jagged pier
yes
sudden kayak
oh nice
yea i never have 2 shield blocks up i always have them on
one thing i did get right tho was reprisal at level 60 they all be wearing that
dusk moat
Is it worth to put Avatar and Demoralizing Shout in a same macro?
I have them both Macroed to Avatar, and doing dungeons if you see avatar is down, and DS is up, I can just press Avatar macro again. Saves keybinds, Prot has so many buttons to begin with! 😂
blazing condor
I thought prot warr had many buttons then i played brewmaster and now im humbled
true cairn
Any news for 9.1 about what Covenenant we should go with?
true cairn
caus atm i'm Necrolord for M+ but i should might reroll to warrior tank in SoD and i saw ppl playing NF or Kyrian and idk what i should swap to
true cairn
yeah but i just want to know caus i think i would swap to NF but if there was some kind of news about covenants for 9.1
obsidian girder
Might be a dumb question, why best served cold over booming voice in m+
jagged pier
yeah but i just want to know caus i think i would swap to NF but if there was so...
none yet honestly looks like the same play what covenant u prefer because for us it really doesnt matter that much
jagged pier
Might be a dumb question, why best served cold over booming voice in m+
because with repirsal it gives you the revengj proc so u constsantly get 50% more damage on revengj so it does more damage fro us than the dps increase from BV and u also dont need the rage gen from BV as u get more than enough from rep if played correctly.
true cairn
none yet honestly looks like the same play what covenant u prefer because for us...
roger
obsidian girder
@jagged pier thanks for clarification
thorn ether
@jagged pier Brother last time we found out i didn't press revenge at all and SS was my top dps. After that i had a break from the game for 1-2 weeks and i am back now. Question i have is. When excactly to i Revenge? What's my priority in my rotation. Can you review my log on this HoA i did yesterday. Mostly about my overall dps
Note my gear is still not good yet , still 217 with anything i can scrap of valor
worthy dagger
Prioritize shield block, spam revenge for rage dump
That's it, and charge everything you can and see
thorn ether
Yeah i know that , problem is when i have TC up , Shield Slam proc and tons of rage
jagged pier
in general your prio for renvgj is when u have SB up and u feel safe enough to not use IP
thorn ether
all at the same time
jagged pier
ill have a look in a minute
strong forum
in general your casts are pretty lack luster
jagged pier
im in torghast right now
strong forum
your haste isnt all that low but youre generally not using stuff on CD
if you compare your casts
to mine from a month ago
thorn ether
Well the key isn't like a good representation since it was the first key i did after 2 weeks break so i feel a bit rusty. I know i could use more efficiently my mitigation.
strong forum
youre gonna see that youre literally using all your main buttons ~2-3cpm less than i do
thorn ether
yeah but it's like 15 and i don't always have uptime on the pack since kiting is also a thing to factor in
strong forum
i casted 112 SBs in 25min and you casted 114 in 28min
if you have to kite in a 19 idk man
especially on tyr
you actually had 3% more uptime than me in this key
so the "i kite more" argument is out of the window
so generally, try to use SS and TC more on CD, actively check for that.
It translates into both surv and damage.
jagged pier
as Nomw your said your casts are really low and u wasted a lot os rage as well
strong forum
Revenge you can generally hack away whenever youre not tacking dangrous amounts of damage / alot of dots, to just weave in. The important part is not wasting rage
thorn ether
Well in a scenario were i have Both TC , not about to overcap rage , SS on CD , and have a choice between TC or revenging
which is better ?
strong forum
cast IP first, then SS
oh "not about to overcap"
then always SS anyway
TC has a chance to reset SS
strong forum
yes, TC, if youre not overcapping rage
its hard to press TC when revenge does more dmg but generally it nets more benefits in the long run
since if you dont cap rage, the dmg from revenge isnt going anywhere
rather gen another 5 rage, then revenge
thorn ether
Like SS is still biggest prio when it procs ritght/
strong forum
SS is always max prio assuming youre not rage capping ye
during ravager i like to hack away revenges back to back cuz of the huge rage gain
weave in a TC here and there
thorn ether
Ok then this solves a lot. Last time my log had like SS top dps , and people told me i SS way to often. This time i thing i went opposite side and didn't a lot :d
strong forum
na SS is usually top 3 dmg
or top 2 even
it should be your most casted ability in a real scenario
unless youre in mists and giga padding for dmg
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4jDTCY6HwFMJdQLg#fight=1&type=casts&source=1 so this is a HoA 18 i did
strong forum
then its gonna be revenge :^)
jagged pier
that cast different is crazy
jagged pier
i feel like you issue is u dont cast things all the time so u loose out on rage
and secondly u waste a lot of rage so u cant cast as much as say me and Nome do
thorn ether
Ok i see , i think i got some things to work on. I will keep practising , it feels good to have clear things to work on.
strong forum
rule of thumb is, TC should be around 8 CPM
SS 10-12CPM
and revenge somwhere in between
those are the 3 big ones imo
block uptime seems fine, could always be better ofc
thorn ether
Yeah block uptime i know how to work on that , i was confused a bit about my rotation. That's why i asked
thorn ether
yeah bear on incarn i dont think it can die
I am pretty sure no other tank has such powerfull offernsive and deffensive cd at the same time
Even with DH on higher keys on meta you have to kite because of the dmg u take someotimes
amber herald
there's nothing like incarn on other tanks yeah
funny thing is they can go venthyr and make it even stronger 
thorn ether
I think that needs some tuning to be honest like it's disgustingly overpowered
amber herald
no it's fine every tank has a niche, and it requires a legendary to be that powerful as well
outside of incarn bear can lose threat even with pressing all of your buttons because their physical damage is so low
thorn ether
Yeah , i dont think that's ok either. It's not fun chasing threat arround even when you have done a very good job on pressing ur buttons
amber herald
I'd agree it's just that if you look at only incarn bears are overpowered, but the class as a whole isn't when you don't
a very solid tank same as us
iron forum
yeah tank balance is actually exceptionally good right now
at least in the context of m+, im not too knowledgeable on raid
3 different classes as top 3 tanks is actually pretty wild
amber herald
it's cool to see because people have been saying DH, druid and warr are the top 3 tanks for a while
and then there it is
soft kindle
Raid balance is arguably both better and worse
Better in terms of just fulfilling the role of a tank, worse because tank spots are raid buffs
strong forum
it's cool to see because people have been saying DH, druid and warr are the top ...
there are still extreme amounts of people saying anything but VDH is trolling
like so many
amber herald
I saw yt comments on nerf's video about how DH is brought because of their sigils
like how wrong can you be
strong forum
people always think that the #1 tank is best because their utility is broken
thorn ether
Well vdh is very strong in the sense that if you pair it with 3 casters , the 5% magic buff is still better than any other thing that any tank can offer
strong forum
if bdk was #1 people would say its cuz grip and amz
being overpowered
if it was war people would say its cuz safeguard rally and bshout
thorn ether
BDK is in a position where if it is strong it is overpowered and if it it's not strong then it feels terrible
it's in a good spot now but i dont think they should mess with BDK a lot
strong forum
"the grass on the other side is always greener"
amber herald
bdk needs more dam but that's it
strong forum
if pally would be #1 it would be because of shield interrupt spam or w/e
people always make up shit being the reason why X is "best"
"VDH can keep aggro from ranged and kite well"
"SIGILS!"
fuck outta here
thorn ether
Well it is some truth in that regard , there is a reason people still play tons of VDH. Sigils are extremely strong utility in m+ scenarios and his whole toolkit feels like it was designed with m+ in mind. In my opinion VDH is the best m+ tank you can have with warrior close by.
I am not saying that the other tanks are not good for high keys i am just sayin in general VDH has the best toolkit for m+ scenarios
strong forum
VDH toolkit was absolute ass for BFA
thorn ether
Yeah because you didn't really had any agency in your spec with all that rng going arround on top of bad dps , on top of warrior beeing busted out of his mind.
strong forum
the lack of a good stun is what kills VDH for me
more than often is the lack of a stun terrible
when warri has 2
you can stop so few mechanics as vdh
outside of your imprison and grip/fear on huge CDs
thorn ether
Well stun is more of a commodity rather than necessity. Generally whatever can be stuned can also be feared by the Sigil of misery , and his Chains can also work as a stop on top of that , on top of imprison having very good uses
You have insane ammount of controls as a VDH in any pack in m+ scenarios
strong forum
Yeah because you didn't really had any agency in your spec with all that rng goi...
so vdh toolkit was bad because gluttony was rng?
very big think
distant crystal
vdh has 100% more weapons than pwarr
strong forum
i wont disagree that silence sigil is great
but saying that the toolkit is the reason why vdh is good is just flat out wrong
or because it can "kite well"
thorn ether
Well differently played a big role in the sense you didn't have any agency in your mitigation . On top of that you din't have a lot of dmg which is not the case now , and on top of that Prot warrior was busted on s4 , monk was extremely strong in s3 , prot warrior was very strong on s2 and bdk was extremely busted on s1. I think everything in combination made dh not a favorable class to play all though it was the best class to pick in some dungeons namely TD.
definitely*
soft kindle
Calling bdk busted s1 is a bit weird
thorn ether
it was though
and i think that's the reason you can't really mess with BDK , you make him strong he is OP you make him weak , he is still fine but his issues arise the more challenging content you push
soft kindle
It wasn't though lol
thorn ether
It wasn't design with modern WoW in mind.
soft kindle
and I'm not sure what you mean with talking about vdh in bfa
thorn ether
Monk and DH were designed like that , and it shows were both tanks are extremely favorable in both Raids and m+ scenarios
soft kindle
you keep mentioning gluttony but that wasn't really played until the end of the expansion
radiant igloo
Hi, i'm fae, but i don't know what is better for m+, Niya or Korayn ?
radiant igloo
ok thx
soft kindle
Monk and DH were designed like that , and it shows were both tanks are extremely...
you mean aside from all the times where they weren't that
thorn ether
I dont know i am pretty new to the game , started playing on bfa. This is purely my observations and the knowledge accumulated from personal gameplay and opinions gathered from any relevant streamer. I was really curious when i started , why certain people opt in for certain classes and why is that happening and honestly i don't think i am that wrong. Stagger on monk was and still is such an insane mechanic and on BFA the way the dodge worked you could skip boss mechanics. If i am not wrong people played double monks on raids. On Season 3 , monks had insane selfhealing paired with OP eternal palace trinkets on top of toolkit was very strong against the s3 seasonal affix. S2-S4 prot warrior had 3 things. Insane Shield Block uptime , Spell reflect was busted , bastion of might which made avatar deffensive cd on top of offensive. That's my BFA observation
I also did some pushing on s4 , were i started playing m+ and investing more time to it, i think i got to 4k and then i was thinking to swap to prot warrior because of how busted the class was on WM and Shrine
short kiln
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4jDTCY6HwFMJdQLg#fight=1&type=casts&source=...
Thanks Jakey. This tells me that our play priorities are similar and that I'm doing the right things based on my recent logs. Awesome!
strong forum
monk was good in s3 because of a bug, the EP weapon, and the EP trinkets. RoP being busted vs Emissary of tides was quite strong yes.
War was good in all 3 (2-4) seasons because of dmg output and high block uptime yes even in s3, in s4 SR only the Safeguard/SR memes really started
BDK was good in s1 because nobody really knew what they were doing and bonestorm was a 1min immortality CD
VDH was dogshit in S1 cuz Meta wasnt a CD, demon spikes was a better defensive than meta, in S4 gluttony became the build to play because TD let you compensate the dmg you lost by playing gluttony but in turn become literally immortal
all these arent toolkit related reasons but tuning/azerite ( besides Safeguard and RoP )
every tank offers something different and can be compensated by other classes in your group, its a multiplayer game afterall
but toolkit was RARELY the reason why X was good, it was merely an added benefit
Safeguard and SR being broken ofc was a huge factor in s4
cuz no other tank could offer a 30% external on a 12sec CD lul
but that was only a factor on big dick keys
thorn ether
Yeah obv. Toolkit alone wont make a spec strong in m+. Most important is to be able to tank and survive the packs, toolkit comes after. Still VDH in my opinion has the best toolkit out of every tanks in m+
strong forum
90% of tanks dont even use their toolkit properly
grand drum
Remember s1 not being able to block [shoot]?
mental scarab
The STONES in TD
strong forum
and so far, 9.0 is an exact replay of 8.0
we have apparent issues
said issue gets fixed thi X.1 or in this case in X.0.5( reprisal and dmg buff )
waxen cradle
Yeah the rock throwing mobs in TD would trigger me big time until they allowed us to block ranged attacks that count as physical damage
strong forum
and whoop we're really strong again
waxen cradle
My big concern is us honestly getting too far ahead and them deciding to pummel us into submission again, as far as the "meta garbage" is concerned I don't care to be at the top as I feel when your at the top you have the biggest target on your back. I am very much content with being close to the top but not there so we do not have to be concerned about being sledgehammer nerfed again
strong forum
na
unless they decide to throw high amounts of mastery into our face again
with huge uptime
but the gap between tanks IS REALLY FUCKING SLIM currently
waxen cradle
Yeah and what I am saying is I am totally cool with the gap between the tanks staying that way. I don't want or need to be the dominant tank above all others as long as all tanks stay relatively close to each other I am cool with it
soft kindle
I don't see why that would change from current
strong forum
blizz is incredibly scared of giving tanks power cuz of bfa s4
waxen cradle
Good I hope they learned there lesson well
tropic linden
Good I hope they learned there lesson well
Blizz never learn
waxen cradle
Because they let it go off the rails
soft kindle
goes back further than that tbh
soft kindle
they neutered tanks after legion, because of how ridiculous they got
strong forum
AND THATS WITH 10% KEY SCALING
iron forum
yeah im honestly shocked at how high keys can be pushed this season
strong forum
when in bfa it was 8% key scaling until s4 i think
iron forum
is it 10% now? i thought it was still 8%
iron forum
well, thats new information for me lol
strong forum
only in pre-patch it was 8% again
so the keys we're doing right now are like 32s in s1 bfa
or some shit
because DPS have much much more dmg than back then
so tanks obv comparatively feel much weaker
keep that in mind
strong forum
they neutered tanks after legion, because of how ridiculous they got
ye it really started with legion
iron forum
it feels like kind of a cycle tbh
since vengeance in NoP
it feels like they will ascend tanks to the point of godhood, then slam them back down again
soft kindle
If you want to really go back, it happened first in cata
but then it went to another level with veng in mop yah
iron forum
thats too boomer for me tbh, i didnt understand the game at all in cata
soft kindle
wod was pretty tame until tier 18+class trinkets
then it was just 📈 throughout legion
for obvious reasons
waxen cradle
Yeah I mean I get how they bring tanks up in power and hammer them back down. I have played and tanked every expac, what I am saying is would it not be nice after what will including this expac make 8 expansions if the cycle of make tanks super powerful, and then hammer them back down could be broken by not letting it work out that way
soft kindle
it hasn't happened for 8 expansions straight
it's only really happened three times, and each time it was external factors being heavily jacked, not the tanks themselves
waxen cradle
Blizzard has even said they have to bring tank power and overall player power down between expansions, and with that I would respond with a resounding DUH, but dont let it go off the rails again
soft kindle
with the exception of legion->bfa, that was the one time tanks specifically got whacked
waxen cradle
I know its not been a thing for 8 expansions, but WoW is 16 year old game, and its not like they dont have experience at seeing things play out in certain specific scenarios to allow them to be like "oh maybe we should keep a closer look at things so certain systems dont get out of hand"
soft kindle
it's not the same devs 🤔
waxen cradle
Yeah that is true, but one would hope that what was considered a mistake in the past would not be repeated just for the sake of saying well these guys are new and they have not learned how big some of our previous mistakes were so lets allow them to repeat them
waxen cradle
I train people for a living and manage a lot of people every day, and have done it for a long time, and my 15 years experience in what I do has taught me what does not work, so when I train people how to do a job I teach them what works best, and part of teaching someone how to do something the right way is also teaching them what does not work, and why it does not work
Part of managing and being responsible for others is knowing what does and does not work, and why. As well as being responsible for making sure they learn it so when the training is over things are done well and efficiently
waxen cradle
Laugh all you want I could care less
Seems like your just trying to stir up trouble anyway
blazing condor
any padding tips for HC sire? spear on the ads in p1?
gonna stop being lazy and get my last orange
strong forum
getting a sire log starts all the way on p1 ye
blazing condor
main raid got cancelled so we're clearing HC for people who still might need a trink
so just tryna go full pump
rotund parcel
so in a pf atm, tank running war machine, itf, bolster with reprisal
my question is how long do i wait before opening on mobs
jagged pier
sorry but why are u runnning WM
lime urchin
rotund parcel
ill keep yous posted
amber herald
intimidating shout into bladestorm
versed cedar
how much venthyr makes me less tanky?? in raids and m+??
jagged pier
not much in ither
u just dont use condemn in aoe
just means u have less rage gen in dungeons and stuff
its actually alright in raid as u just use execute and it contributes to mitigiation
versed cedar
ty ty ❤️
light sorrel
Hi Warrior friends, I notice people run Stalwart Guardian for one of their Endurance conduits. It reduces the CD of Shield Wall by 30 seconds but unless the fight is 7+ minutes long or you press it immediately, you won't get another use of it anyways.
Isn't there another Endurance conduit that is good?
jagged pier
no
unnerving and stalwart are our best 2 conduits
and u do get more uses out of it because you are runnign rep and therefore you are running AM
the cd of shield wall is actually ~1:30
light sorrel
I run Bolster in raid
jagged pier
u shouldnt need to ever
unless u run the wall
which in its own right makes the cd of SW 1:30 with the conduit and bolster
light sorrel
I run Reprisal but I find I don't need shield wall that often though Bolster on last phase of Sire or high stacks of Stone Fist is nice
light sorrel
It lets me press Ignore Pain twice before he smacks me and I don't need to worry about Shield Block
jagged pier
and u dont use SW as a panic button
light sorrel
It only lasts like 8 seconds though
light sorrel
I think it's good but I think the cooldown is long and Last Stand doesn't do enough on it's own for what I need it
Lets say last phase of Sire, each time I take the boss I need something
I can't shield wall twice in that phase normally
jagged pier
which is why u run AM because your running repirsal u dont need bolster for the block at all u have enough of it
so SW comes down to a 1:30 min cd
so u can use it more often
light sorrel
With me running around and helping soak, my uptime on that phase isn't going to be enough to get it to 1:30
light sorrel
I help with as many soaks as I can atm
They're already pretty tight
I tried playing AM into Sire and I would never get remotely close to having shield wall every time I take him
jagged pier
reducing the cd of SW has nothing to do with up itme if you soaking all the time that actually lands in your favour as u can charge each time get loads of reage just to spam away reducing the cooldown
jagged pier
I tried playing AM into Sire and I would never get remotely close to having shie...
u dont need SW ever time u tank sire what?
light sorrel
I need some defensive every time for shattering
lofty widget
you wont have bolster every time either tho?
light sorrel
At least that's how it's played out every time
Bolster gives me a defensive I can cycle at least
because Last Stand kind of meh
lofty widget
so is SW
jagged pier
u get SW more often than LS with bolster
light sorrel
but now I have SW and Last Stand?
jagged pier
if u run AM
light sorrel
On paper, I'm sure it works like that but I've tried AM and in practice I don't have enough uptime phase 3 to push spenders every time they come up
Unless I'm the one tanking him
jagged pier
i dunno i can only tell you the maths and from my experience im fine with running AM
as you dont need the block from bolster as u can already cover the time with repirsal
and having SW up a lot is far nicer than LS with bolster
light sorrel
I'll try running it again and see how it feels. I see a ton of tanks playing Bolster so I tried it and it just worked a lot nicer
strong forum
alot of tanks also still run wall+bolster on all bosses
doesnt mean its good
i NEVER ran Bolster in Raid
even in 9.0
Bolster can defo be ran on Sire though, but saying Stalwart isnt a good conduit is a bit weird
its literally our best Conduit next to Unnerving
what else you gonna use? Brutal Vit ?
light sorrel
If I'm running Bolster and Rep, it goes down to 3.5 minutes and I can still only use it once when I need it
I was asking if there are any other good Endurance conduits, not saying that there ARE better conduits
I just don't know what the other ones are
strong forum
no there are not
we have those 2
the rest can be ignored
might aswell play without conduits if youre not using Stalwart and Unnerving, you wont see any difference in performance
our conduits are horrendous besides those
light sorrel
Fair enough, I'll run those two then ty
feral gale
Hey guys any particular tips for surviving M Donny? I’ve been lining up blocks with his melee strikes pretty well but he still wrecks in p3. Anything in general, tricks wise?
lunar ridge
do u guys ever use execute?
shut summit
@feral gale make sure rogue is using mindnumbing if you have one, and warlock curse of weakness
feral gale
Yep we do, is it kind of expected for tanks to get dicked in p3? We are still sorting our CDs I feel too
Are you using external on shatt pains too?
thorn ether
is there any taunt DR weak aura?
short kiln
@jagged pier just finally ripped my scale. Sitting on Scale 207, SLH at 220, Hymnal at 194. What are you using right now? I checked my logs and Hymnal at that level even is doing 4-6% of overall DPS consistently... that's insane right? Seems like it's punching way above it's iLvl
short kiln
im mostly just M+
jagged pier
in challenging content i run scale and phail
in none challenging i run phial and hynmal
short kiln
and there are very few if any other SLH wearers there
I'm leaning towards dropping SLH for M+ and running scale and Hymnal. No phial to speak of yet on this character
you would approve?
it's a big drop in iLvl
jagged pier
i wouldnt run SLH in m+
short kiln
then there you go.
jagged pier
its doesnt do much without a 5 stack imo
short kiln
noted.
jagged pier
in m+ there are far better trinkets
short kiln
thanks a ton. 🙂
jagged pier
np
look at it this way its like 2% vers i think so thats 2% damage and 1% damage reduction unbuffed
so not great
sacred timber
How do I get three ranged
and have to hit all the explosives myself
Im gonna scream,
sacred timber
is that dmg to explosives?
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
sacred timber
I wiped like 3 times cause people kept dragging the fucking vulpin into me "tAnK wHy ArE yOu LoSiNg AgGrO!1/1?!?"
makes me wanna punch my monitor
jagged pier
not to be that guy but the vulpin u can see where its going
and u can just move out the way
sacred timber
Ik but as 4 ranged.. they kept pulling it towards me
like... just run in the other direction, or hunter trap/polymorph
we have the technology
strong forum
thats where stormbolt / fear are great
and if vulpin runs to you, run the fuck away from it
its LITERALLY highest prio on that boss
next to obv not missing the interrupt
strong forum
welcome to being a tank cuck
gotta take care of the kids
that arent even your own
sacred timber
so between patty, explosives, guessing (cause I have to find the correct one), and vulpin, yikers
sacred timber
hey... better getting an instant queue rather than wanting to bash my head in trying to apply as fury
modern brook
q: how is it may 9th, 2021 and people are listing for "push keys" at +11?
strong forum
everybody moves at their own pace
modern brook
smh thats not moving 😠
sacred timber
q: how are people denying a fury with 1100io for a fucking +8
sacred timber
still, Im almost 218
modern brook
generally ppl dont need melee dps
strong forum
alot of low end people dont even know what rio is
sacred timber
sad boi noises
jagged pier
because fury isnt meta u need a VDH boomkin and mage for +8
sacred timber
jagged pier
modern brook
put that in your note then
sacred timber
strong forum
also venthyr hpal
strong forum
brainlets dont know that venthyr hpals dont heal
jagged pier
ive had 2venthyr hpalys at 19 key lvl
and ive out healed them on me
which makes me sadge
and in pain in the key
sacred timber
Im literally gonna make a fucking ppt slide of just numbers of my past groups
how do you out heal on prot?
ignore pain doesnt heal you
oh.
wait
it does
jagged pier
well it shows as healing as its an absorb it doesnt heal expect through indom
and i dont really press it as it doesnt do much
so if a healer is less than me on healing done to me
u know they havent touched me much
sacred timber
are you saying that ignore pain doesnt do much?
jagged pier
no it doesnt
sacred timber
I thought that is like... 95% of prot warrior.
sweet summit
this isnt legion
jagged pier
its 50%
sacred timber
I mean... I started playing prot like 2 weeks ago.
soft kindle
I think reading a guide would've been wise before you started doing keys and wanting to punch your monitor
iron forum
revenge is your best friend, IP is your coworker who sucks that you dont like but have to go to sometimes for help
sweet summit
lmao yeah ^
sacred timber
I think reading a guide would've been wise before you started doing keys and wan...
I did...
the icy veins guide
iron forum
tbh i feel like good prot warrior resources are very few and far between right now especially for m+
sweet summit
that text is telling me to pump revenge unless i am literally on the verge of dying
jagged pier
^^
sacred timber
iron forum
i mean its not wrong, but i imagine that was written before reprisal and when we didnt plat best served cold, and before tank survavbility buffs all of which have pushed more towards dumping rage into revenge instead of IP