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topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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was hoping to live the one minute trinket life if so, im just gonna try it out abit its trial and error tonight

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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so might work

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Just use the on-use

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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might as well buy an honor version of the adaptation trinket and give it a whirl 🤷‍♀️

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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How much is the unmitigated hit actually

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In dungeon journal

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If you're in game

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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meteor?

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Yeah

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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375k

topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:03 PM

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got a 213 of the medallion atleast

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but i will try out things in 1 hour so gonna be an interesting night atleast

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Yeah so you need something like scale + all cds or multiple cds plus externals to survive

stone beacon May 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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hello there

wanted to ask about the Anima Field Emitter ( replaying the game after a while )
https://www.wowhead.com/item=180118/anima-field-emitter?bonus=6805:1472

Wowhead

Anima Field Emitter

This blue trinket of item level 158 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted and sold by NPCs. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands.

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Just bear things indeed o.o

topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:06 PM

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but if you wondered @distant crystal https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1000611622?t=0h55m10s its approx a 50% dmg hit on the bear

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elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:07 PM

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There's no way bear lives without bark and at least SI, so it's not completely free there either

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:08 PM

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stone beacon hello there wanted to ask about the Anima Field Emitter ( replaying the game ...

what about it?

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:09 PM

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How is this is a healer ui

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He doesn't track anything xd

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Do you have logs @topaz root?

ionic kayak May 6, 2021, 4:09 PM

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so what's the current suggested covenant for prot these days

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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This is literally the same UI our healing officer has

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Aka pvp

topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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yea he is basically a "pvp" main

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Full on default with as little addons as possible

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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ionic kayak so what's the current suggested covenant for prot these days

any you want

stone beacon May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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jagged pier what about it?

just got it and wanted to know if is it still any good ( 224 ilvl with 22% haste and 19% poly + the stone legion 220 and the scale 216 )

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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At least get the defensives on frames WA and track shielding

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Pvp mains dun care

topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:10 PM

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i know he tracks then in M+ not sure why it looks so dead in Raids :lul

ionic kayak May 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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i'm between kyrian and night fae but not sure about 9.1 changes on them

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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stone beacon just got it and wanted to know if is it still any good ( 224 ilvl with 22% haste...

probably better than SLG trinket in dungeons

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Neither is anyone else

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Get all 4 to 40 renown

stone beacon May 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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jagged pier probably better than SLG trinket in dungeons

thanks for the help

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Or just pick whichever one you like 🤷‍♂️

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I was nightfae and really liked it then i went back kyrian for great push, ended up playing 0 keys, and now I'm venthyr

topaz root May 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Condem for Single target bosses 👀 cough

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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its not actually that good

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cough

ionic kayak May 6, 2021, 4:13 PM

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well i dont have a specific choise, i've all tanks classes now to 60 and trying to get my warrior ready to roll

hybrid ravine May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Okay Prot chat. Level with me. I've not looked into it yet - but given what we know about 9.1 leggos, is The Wall still coming out on top?

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Pick whatever you want

short kiln May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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seeing as how it isn't at present @hybrid ravine I don't think so

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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reprisal has been on top since 9.0.5

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🤔

short kiln May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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^

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Do we have charging sims yet

hybrid ravine May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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WELL that shows how much I know 😉

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:14 PM

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elfin nova Do we have charging sims yet

no

signal plover May 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

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They're still charging up

hybrid ravine May 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Wait. are we talking Raiding or M+. Because Icy Veins is still showing Wall as the best for Nathria

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:16 PM

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both its better in both

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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The wall is bis if you want to stand still

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/s

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There could conceivably be raid bosses where you can't use reprisal but in nathria you can charge to your heart's content

stark sage May 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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plus you can always intervene someone in melee or the cotank

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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and u can always move out when not tanking to charge in

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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The wall is still fine though and it's not really inaccurate for a guide to say the wall is bis

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It just might not have been updated right

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The wall was bis in nathria when the raid came out

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as for 9.1 which was the actual question though we don't know for sure, blizzard might make bannerboys out of us yet

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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dont even have kyrian leggo yet

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so rep still best

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NF might be good for pumping in deungeons

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but defesinve value of rep is just huge

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if kyrian anything like the paladin one

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could be really good but i doubt it

sullen quartz May 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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hello my friends, got a quick question, whats a decent horde race for protection tank, right now im vulpera but i dont like it that much

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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even the nerfed version of the paladin one is insane as it keep proccing pelgos's mastery

short kiln May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Vulpera seems to be ideal due to the dmg reduction, but lots of others are fine too.

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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pelegos mastery has an icd tho?

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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You might still sometimes play the wall in raid depending on boss design and tank swaps

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If there are tank busters you can't block or that kill you through block

tough stump May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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does anyone have a link to that necrolord banner buff spreadsheet on which classes are best to buff?

stark sage May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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sullen quartz hello my friends, got a quick question, whats a decent horde race for protection...

racials arent consequential enough to worry about it too much
go with what you like the most, vulpera is regarded as the strongest defensive one but if you dont like it then pick what you think looks the best

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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distant crystal pelegos mastery has an icd tho?

maybe not pelagos but my paladin told me it kept proccing masteyr of somthing

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:30 PM

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I didn't think pelagos mastery had an icd i thought it was just tied to casts

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You get it every sigil use on vdh even when you reduce the cd with raz

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Testing it now that I've reinstalled PTR
Connor — 05/04/2021
Refreshes Pelegos' mastery each time 👌

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his words

sullen quartz May 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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thank you for the answers my friends 🙂

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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wth

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it's supposed to be 1 minute icd

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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well spear is 1 min cd

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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you're telling me a spell doesn't work like the tooltip says in a blizz game

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ohh i thought you were talking about divine toll

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with the leggo

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proccing it over and over

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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it does

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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It doesn't have an ICD in the tooltip though afaik

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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every spec pelagos has the same cooldown as your covenant ability unless you do something to fuck with the cooldown or get extra casts

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Combat Meditation
Level 60
Soulbind Ability
Requires level 60
Activating your Kyrian class ability increases your Mastery by 350 for 10 sec and occasionally expels Sorrowful Memories.

Walking through Sorrowful Memories extends this effect by 3 sec. [Combat Meditation may only occur once every 1 min.]

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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yer it may keep spawning the orbs

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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for some reason it doesn't show in-game on my dh tho oddly

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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so u can keep the buff up

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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i'm pretty sure that's not the actual tooltip

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Aye doesn't show that in game for me

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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as i said i have tested my paladin freind did i can only tell u what he said to me

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328266/combat-meditation

Wowhead

Combat Meditation

Activating your Kyrian class ability increases your Mastery by 458 for (10 * 1) sec and occasionally expels Sorrowful Memories. Walking through Sorrowful Memories extends this effect by (3 * 1) sec. [Combat Meditation may only occur once every 1 min.]

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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that's from wowhead not in-game

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Ah, you said in game prev

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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i said in a blizzard game :p

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but

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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well you can't meme blizzard for the wowhead tooltip being wrong

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unfortunately

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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it's meaningless anyway because my vdh has a 36sec cd on decree and it gives the mastery every time

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so wowhead is just fake news

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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yer but this is like near 100% as it casts every 5 seconds for 30 seconds

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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you can do this with spear in Torghast already - phial refresh and I believe you get the mastery buff both times

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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after divine toll

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and u can a 40 cd with mik

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so again if our kyrian leggo is anything like the paladin one

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it will be pretty good

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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the new BoM

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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aye but that wont give you the pelagos mastery buff 😛

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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no ours is gunna be trash

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just u guys wait

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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I don't want to be kyrian

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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casting spear empowers your next whirlwind

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:37 PM

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sadge

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:37 PM

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to do +25% dmg

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kek

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:37 PM

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whirlwind oh no

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don't say that

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:39 PM

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New ability: Slam, casting whirlwind causes your slam to do 10% increased damage 🙃

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:39 PM

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no

elfin nova May 6, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Suddenly i have a great desire to play vengeance again

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:43 PM

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🤮

lavish oracle May 6, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Mikanikos gonna be the M+ soulbind, do we think?

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:44 PM

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maybe 🤷

lavish oracle May 6, 2021, 4:45 PM

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If bronn didn't blow so much, I'd be fine with that

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 4:45 PM

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40 seconds on spear is nothing to snuff at

lavish oracle May 6, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Yeah, Reactive Retrofitting doesn't seem to shabby either

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Hammer of Genesis is already pretty decent, and given your 3 potency options are... not great

fierce field May 6, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Wish we had more control over bronn, like get an extra action button to summon him so he doesn't show up with one mob left

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:47 PM

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what is the hate for bronn ooi? The knock is like 1 yd

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Cuz he's weak

lavish oracle May 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

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He also just does basically nothing and is unreliable to proc

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So like

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

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And alot of attacks don't count towards his "stacks"

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Like I think soulcleave doesn't even count

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

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fair play

strong forum May 6, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Or smth like that

proud carbon May 6, 2021, 4:49 PM

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I like hammer for lower keys, so skim over bronn's lack of contribution

broken pendant May 6, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Is Instructors Divine Bell worth using for parsing?

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:52 PM

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unlikely that a low ilvl stat on use is going to be big dam for a tank spec

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vs a higher ilvl direct dmg trinket like phial

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 4:53 PM

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opc would be better

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 4:53 PM

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bell is good for moonkins and warlocks because they can line it up with big honkin dam cds

modern brook May 6, 2021, 5:15 PM

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proud carbon you can do this with spear in Torghast already - phial refresh and I *believe* y...

pelagos mastery buff is a 60s internal cd

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so you dont

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 5:16 PM

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it's supposed to be

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but it's not

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I get it with every single ED on my vdh, and that's 36sec cd

wanton condor May 6, 2021, 5:24 PM

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I wonder if it's set to your covenant ability's CD and the phial just doesn't refresh that?

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 5:25 PM

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well there's a talent that lowers my cov ability cd even further

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and it still procs

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but...on wowhead it says 1min ICD for any spec you pic

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and someone else was saying that it's 100% uptime with the pally kyrian leggo

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seems like the tooltip is a lie

gusty saffron May 6, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Nobiee question here

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Shield block has priority into ignore pain, but when i try to rotate deffensive do i stack one with the other? or do i shield block + shield block and when it is on coldown i use ignore?

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 5:31 PM

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ignore is rage dump basically

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you can stack it with other cds like SB and such too to smooth out dmg

gusty saffron May 6, 2021, 5:32 PM

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But i means, do it have sense? or its wasting rage

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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it still helps

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the only way to really waste rage is to overcap

gusty saffron May 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Nice

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i got problems to generate it

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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or i guess like powerspam IP so that it's over max absorb

gusty saffron May 6, 2021, 5:33 PM

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in some not-controlled pulls

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need to improve charge skill

rough girder May 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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I may be wrong but, I’m pretty sure Ignore Pain actually mitigates some magic damage so, I always tend to try get in this rotation Charge > Revenge > Revenge > Cov Abil/Raveger > TC > IP > Leap > Charge > Revenge > Revenge > IP > Sheild Block > Intervene > Cov/Raveger and just keep going round and round, weaving in IP to rage dump or extra revenges if I am fine on damage. This is of course with reprisal

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If I use the conduit to increase damage of my next TC I tend to just revenge then TC and then IP

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Also using Avatar and demo shout on cool down as well

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:11 PM

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you should ravager before charging

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and u should be shield blocking earlier

limpid star May 6, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Ravager before charge eh I had no clue lol

rough girder May 6, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Using ravager first is always something I try get in the habit of but, I tend to charge first but it’s deffo something I need to get used to

limpid star May 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I like, charge use revenge proc from reprisal, shield slam, then SB as the free one falls off

amber herald May 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I usually go ravager->charge-> shieldblock + revenge

limpid star May 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Then go into stuff

amber herald May 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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then revenge spam

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:13 PM

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theres no need to try and fit ravager in after avatar because it has no inital hit so only the ticks are increase

rough girder May 6, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Makes sense

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:14 PM

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limpid star I like, charge use revenge proc from reprisal, shield slam, then SB as the free ...

but the charge alone gives u enough rage to sb

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should be first

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or sb as u charge in

inland raft May 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Vulp or hmt if minmaxing that much? Extra stun seems useful

rough girder May 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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I like HMTs stun but I think Vulp is technically better 🤷🏻‍♂️

limpid star May 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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I just figured reprisal gives me a SB for free and was using other moves insteaf of "stacking" sbs

rough girder May 6, 2021, 6:16 PM

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But then, I hate both character models so went with BElf 😂 I justify it by being able to racial off the shit that the big pack of crap drops on the floor before first Plaguefall boss haha

inland raft May 6, 2021, 6:16 PM

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You want to have at least one charge shield block on cd

limpid star May 6, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Yeah that occurred to me as I typed that out lol

amber herald May 6, 2021, 6:17 PM

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SB's cap is 18s so feel free to stack

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only reason you don't want to press it is if you aren't going to be taking melee hits during that time

signal plover May 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Tbh I wouldn't reccomend thinking of our abilities as a rotation

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They're more of a priority system

inland raft May 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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You want to maintain as close to 100% as possible so unless next charge or cast is gonna overcap block its the move usually

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Not a high thought class tbh maintain shield block keep aggro and use defensives appropriately

signal plover May 6, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Most common mistake I've seen in SL is not using revenge enough

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 6:20 PM

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old habits die hard

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in BFA we hated to press revenge now we love it

signal plover May 6, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Especially folks that are coming back after quitting BFA

amber herald May 6, 2021, 6:20 PM

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revenge spam peepoHappy

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:20 PM

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revengj

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spam

signal plover May 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Revenj for damej

inland raft May 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Im a firm believer in dam

amber herald May 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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more dam = more gooder

inland raft May 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Kill mean mobs faster so mean mobs dont hurt me

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:44 PM

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my tanks keep demanding healers focus them on sire mythic to the point that they die without it

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is this how it supposed to be

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:47 PM

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I cant remeber the last time a tank asked me to focus them on anything

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Im also not on mythic but have observed it a lot 🤷‍♂️

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 6:48 PM

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talking about focusing heals?

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p3 can be pretty rough on tanks...i hear :p

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:49 PM

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The question i would have is "is the rest if the raid dying as a result of the tanks requiring more resources"

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:50 PM

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warm cloak my tanks keep demanding healers focus them on sire mythic to the point that they...

he does a lot of damage, and the bleed from remonia and the stack at the end are both magic

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:50 PM

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i know he packs quite the punch but word goes around tank should survive easily and stuff so i was just wondering

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:51 PM

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well its not they suvive easy they need hots

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and a few heals from a hpaly every now and then

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:51 PM

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🥓

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:51 PM

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it also does depend on the play themselves

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:51 PM

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thats close enough to what we are doing so okay i guess

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:52 PM

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I kind of miss having a dedicated tank healer role.

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:53 PM

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i havent played tank since they gutted prot warrior at 7.0-7.0.5

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:53 PM

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coughwotlkcough

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM

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boomer mindset :/

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM

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was too young to notice shit like that

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM

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the future is now

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bonkcat

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM

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As far as WoW concerned that was last time i tanked

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Im a 90s baby, im allowed my nostalgia

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:54 PM

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you guys useing externals correctly?

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:55 PM

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as dps? or tanks

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Nah, I gor rid of my ehd

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 6:55 PM

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well as a tank if your struggle he should be useing / asking for externals

warm cloak May 6, 2021, 6:56 PM

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they are rotating them on certain places, its not like they are dying or anything its just p3 kills alot of people very fast and i am very bored of progressing him so i wanted to seek enlightenment

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Was in a raid the other week and tossed PS with a bark to raid and got so many tells asking wtf that is

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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dandy

deft vessel May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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do I swap? i swap I guess

hollow bolt May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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oOoOf

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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deft vessel do I swap? i swap I guess

ya sure

deft vessel May 6, 2021, 6:57 PM

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at 25.88% haste without the new weap

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still 213 shield btw

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cus fun

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rng is great fun

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related, wat do with this

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I really like scale but it's from before valor so can't upgrade

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 6:59 PM

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scale+spike

deft vessel May 6, 2021, 6:59 PM

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yeah, figured

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cheers

next copper May 6, 2021, 6:59 PM

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I'd use Vintage over Spike, personally, even though Vintage sucks.

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 7:00 PM

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overkill af

deft vessel May 6, 2021, 7:00 PM

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yeah think so too

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27.21% haste without buffs, nice

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

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epic

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Still havent gotten a scale zzz

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

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next copper I'd use Vintage over Spike, personally, even though Vintage sucks.

double on use yikes

iron forum May 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

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i feel like double absorb on use isnt too bad though

signal plover May 6, 2021, 7:03 PM

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warm cloak they are rotating them on certain places, its not like they are dying or anythin...

For context Sire is by far the hardest hitting boss (on tanks) in the raid and is quite a dramatic jump up from even sludge enrage/SLG (double boss tank)

iron forum May 6, 2021, 7:03 PM

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as far as double on use setups go

next copper May 6, 2021, 7:06 PM

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I mean, I'd use SLH/Al'ar.

late ermine May 6, 2021, 7:17 PM

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question so what do u guys use to kill explosives LOL cause shield slam is never up when one pops

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that is close by

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 7:18 PM

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i know its a scary thought

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but you rely on others

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its a team effort

jagged pier May 6, 2021, 7:18 PM

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heroic throw if i can otherwise

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its up to dps

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which is a BIG YIKES

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 7:18 PM

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you can also just target them

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and hope for an auto attack

late ermine May 6, 2021, 7:19 PM

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thats what I thought

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Don't use devastator on Explosive weeks if you want it to feel a little easier imo.

late ermine May 6, 2021, 7:31 PM

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thats actually a solid thought

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which talent would be best to take on explosive week

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Devastator would still be the best talent peepostudy

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But i guess war machine if you want to

plush tendon May 6, 2021, 7:39 PM

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You can also just charge explosives

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or SS them

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or just auto them

ionic fern May 6, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Or let the healer look at them and they die

plush tendon May 6, 2021, 7:52 PM

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There are also a bunch of DPS classes that want to kill explosives

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Like Shadow Priest XD

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and maybe Afflic Lock

modern brook May 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Anyone from #protection test if Wrath of consumption still works with explosives?

lime urchin May 6, 2021, 8:01 PM

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kitty dudu too, right?

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if they even exist :--(

chilly brook May 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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modern brook Anyone from <#148897941883584512> test if Wrath of consumption still works with ...

If what?

modern brook May 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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you know

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The protection warlock legendary; wrath of consumption

chilly brook May 6, 2021, 8:04 PM

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seanbee

signal plover May 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Wrath of consumption is the title of my post-chipotle toilet bombing

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Idk what the European equivalent of chipotle is

strong forum May 6, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Europe has about 40 food chains less than NA has

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out of a total of 50 food chains, 40 of them are US specific

signal plover May 6, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Ok do u have chipotle

strong forum May 6, 2021, 8:10 PM

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no

signal plover May 6, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Faq

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What destroys your anus on the way out

strong forum May 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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idk maybe indian?

modern brook May 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Nandos

strong forum May 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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never had anything that hurt the way out

modern brook May 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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i think thats EU

strong forum May 6, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Nandos is south african

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almost close

modern brook May 6, 2021, 8:12 PM

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strong forum never had anything that hurt the way out

imagine having higher than just-barely-fit-for-human-consumption quality food

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EU is soft bro

plush tendon May 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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we have Nandos is America; we have everything over here 😄

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We have all the options when deciding how badly we want to destroy our toliets

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:48 PM

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I don't think Chipotle is one of them though. I'm usually fine with. Good place for Decent food & Protein at a decent price... Now Tacobell.....

stark sage May 6, 2021, 8:49 PM

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hey now tacobell is epic

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:49 PM

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It's good... just not good for you 😄

astral whale May 6, 2021, 8:50 PM

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rancid ember I don't think Chipotle is one of them though. I'm usually fine with. Good place ...

its not the taco bell at 3 am that gets you, its the 5th of jack you drank before you made the decision to go to taco bell at 3 am that kills you

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taco bell hits different if you go at 1 pm on the tuesday

ripe seal May 6, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Mythic Danny dead man, finally

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:52 PM

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peepoHappy GRATS!

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Oof can't say I've been there K4yloh. Closest Tacobell from my place is like 20 min drive. Not even on my mind on a late night drunk whim. Now Domino's on the other hand...

ripe seal May 6, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Thanks @rancid ember ❤️

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:54 PM

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ripe seal Thanks <@189066862485700608> ❤️

I'll jam to that YUGE kill

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/738984557168033884.gif?v=1

ripe seal May 6, 2021, 8:56 PM

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220ish wipes, I was PUMPING bro

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:57 PM

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I am 140~ish wipes on SLG and we're starting to steady make P3.. Think we'll get in the next day or 2.

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Just want to move on. BC into SLG is horrible for morale lol. Sludge went down fast.

ripe seal May 6, 2021, 8:58 PM

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P3 Is the easiest tbh, we killed SLG the 2nd time we got Into P3

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So If you’re getting there steadily then It’s so close to a kill

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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on our SLG kill I was like "wait wtf, everyone is alive and bosses are almost dead"

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"what happened?"

ripe seal May 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Yeah, It just blows up with BL

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Yeah that's what I hear. Just gotta make it there clean with 20 up and a brez or 2 available and I think we'll get it in a few good pulls.

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 8:59 PM

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3rd pull of the night, some of the ppl who progged it hard were late for raid that day and missed it RIP

sand condor May 6, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Gm: “we’re reclearing to chill and have some fun”
Me: Plays AM, Ravager, fucks around a bit and enjoys myself
Gm: “yo we’re gonna extend your trial cus you got 1 shot”
Me: “i got one shot 2times cus i was intervening the other warrior when lazers happened.”

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Breh

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This guild got stuck on reclearing inerva

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And im the issue yes.

hot pasture May 6, 2021, 9:02 PM

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gquit

rancid ember May 6, 2021, 9:02 PM

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peepostudy

hot pasture May 6, 2021, 9:02 PM

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second time i've said that today lmao

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Things like that are why I have no desire to get into a "serious' raiding guild.

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Too many of them act like they still racing for W1st 🤣

hot pasture May 6, 2021, 9:05 PM

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truth lmao

sand condor May 6, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Sigh

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I don’t want to write another bunch of applications

vast sedge May 6, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Just write it once then submit the same one everywhere

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Think smarter not harder peepostudy

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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This is literally how you apply for a Job, which is what the game becomes with this bs XD

distant crystal May 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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naw you gotta tweak your CV for each job

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so it matches up with their wants better

warm remnant May 6, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Tweak, not rewrite.

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OK, haven't done prot pvp in awhile, and at least for BGs it is almost as fun as I remember XD

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Any quick tips on Sire Denny before we start prog tonight.. any of the stuff you wish you'd have known going in before a bunch of pulls?

grizzled forge May 6, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Ya you’re gonna get shlopped during hand going through mirror

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Maybe think of incoprrating a quick bop and cancel for a point where carnage gets overwhelming maybe at one of those mirror transitions

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Are you doing the boss positioning or do y’all have a DH doing it?

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 10:54 PM

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It's me and a bear cotank

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we haven't even pulled yet..about to start prog tonight.

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Just setting up talents/etc for full turtle mode for prog even gonna' bring back punish I think.

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and yeah I know the mirror transition always was the nasty part even on heroic, I know to spell reflect before the taunt to mitigate his first shadow door hit.

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Not sure if punish is worth the rage gen loss; but generally does make stuff noticably less angry.

sweet summit May 6, 2021, 10:58 PM

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nah id definitely play devastator

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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was gonna' run the wall as well; so yeah probably deva is going to give me the best mileage on the wall as well.

sturdy sable May 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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You be surprised at how well you can utilize reprisal on sire d

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Punish just means I have to keep fluttering my 'devastate' key which is ..rare, if I have nothing else to do..just makes it an irritating play style.

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I was looking at logs, a few top kills run reprisal..a few run the wall.

sturdy sable May 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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The wall + bolster achieves essentially the same thing as reprisal and AM

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Right now just want to make things 'stable' so we can progress without worrying about my own durability being an issue..IE make things simple..just run wall, use defensive trinks..etc.

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yeah but the wall does bring shieldwall back quicker; that much i've tested on my own.

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also requires no other consideration..other than just mashing rotation.

weak dune May 6, 2021, 11:03 PM

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if you're JUST starting prog tonight it's very plausible you won't even get out of p1 tbh

fringe marten May 6, 2021, 11:04 PM

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right; that's why I just want shit to be as 'easy' on my end as possible and me be in more turtle mode..just to learn for now.

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wondering if I should even swap over to Kleia

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Resonant accolades is decent free healing on me, and mentorship isn't awful for cotank.

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Wondering if running double on use defensive trinkets might be worth for tonight..Scale+Vintage

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or just vintage and glut spike.

urban portal May 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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sire tank trinket worth?

dire drift May 6, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Warrior tank is good at rbg ?

grand drum May 6, 2021, 11:41 PM

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No, not really

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Hey all, anyone have tips for easing into prot warrior? I played Holy Priest and MM Hunter in the past but made a new character with a buddy in Shadowlands. I’m Arms and level 42 right now but figured it would be a good time to try and make the transition before starting SL.

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Typical struggles I’m having are finding a UI that looks clean and simple, learning how to use things like WeakAuras, DBM, and any other suggested addons.

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Along with any general tank advice, like not knowing mechanics or how to lead my group through them. As a healer/DPS I kind of just followed the pack and was reactive, any tips on becoming more proactive and transitioning to more of a leadership role?

hollow sun May 7, 2021, 12:17 AM

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That's on you

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Become the most knowledgeable person in the group and you have the leader

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Then it's more of a mindset

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I have tank mindset even when I am healing

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Where can I find resources for that because I certainly don’t mind doing the research, if I’m queuing for something like random dungeons is there a page I can pull-up that explains it more thoroughly?

hollow sun May 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Tank notes is a great beginner site

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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I have the social aspect down, just need to make the mechanical connection to each piece of content

hollow sun May 7, 2021, 12:19 AM

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People like mythics trap but for me it's too simple

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Also you can watch yt videos about the dungeon you wanna know more of

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Often that is as good as a dungeon guide

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There is also a list of all reflectable and blokable spells in SL dungeons

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Tank notes looks great for when I reach raid level, know of any for leveling dungeons? Because even tanks I queue with now tend to get slapped around sometimes and not know mechanics.

hollow sun May 7, 2021, 12:23 AM

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Ah

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No

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Look at the BFA section of tank notes

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If you are doing them

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I think there is one at least😂

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:24 AM

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I’ll be sure to look around

warm remnant May 7, 2021, 12:25 AM

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restive rose Where can I find resources for that because I certainly don’t mind doing the res...

The game itself has the Adventure window in which lets you look at each boss's abilities and such (not for older content)

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But you're not too far from SL dungeons

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:25 AM

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Trying to get some information overload that I can digest over the next few days since I’ll be working instead of being able to play.

warm remnant May 7, 2021, 12:25 AM

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I mean, I just lurk here and once in a blue moon someone says something smart 😉

restive rose May 7, 2021, 12:28 AM

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Anyone have suggestions for UI? Not sure how all the threat plates and stuff like that work since I never got that deep into the game.

cloud trench May 7, 2021, 12:30 AM

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So is prot looking to be pretty good next tier

subtle island May 7, 2021, 12:32 AM

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restive rose Anyone have suggestions for UI? Not sure how all the threat plates and stuff lik...

As soon as you can, get ElvUI if you haven't already

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get a general prot warrior profile from wago, and then learn how you can tailor it to what you need

cloud trench May 7, 2021, 12:34 AM

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I am a main tank for our guild and I can’t play Druid anymore lol it is killing me I want to make sure for next Teri that I have diff tank ready to go for raid and mythic plus

carmine prawn May 7, 2021, 1:10 AM

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restive rose Anyone have suggestions for UI? Not sure how all the threat plates and stuff lik...

For WA, it would be better if you scour through the warrior page and find something that suits your vision or somewhat close, UI wise is also pretty personal unless, again, you see someone's UI and you like it and then you port the whole thing over

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This is the literal case of mead and poison situation

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For plater, i would suggest getting something that has current season affixes like explosives etc attached to it, as most plater profiles doesn't contain them. Then you tweak the sizing and coloring to your preference

warped schooner May 7, 2021, 1:20 AM

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Do you guys run double time when using Reprisal?

vocal bison May 7, 2021, 1:25 AM

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I do in a raid or a coordinated M+, in a pug M+ I run stormbolt for the extra "oh krap" button

restive rose May 7, 2021, 1:26 AM

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@carmine prawn Thanks for the WA/UI section. Could you explain the plater part a bit more? Is plater the “gold standard” add on?

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:36 AM

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odd? Why am I having issues charging back to denathrius after blood price?

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are we too close to the wall?

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yo

sturdy sable May 7, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Don't charge back immediately wait till you start flying back

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:50 AM

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I got it

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was just slow

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you have to hit it basically insta as the silence wears off, or you fall too close to him..under 8 yards.

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wasn't mashing hard enough~ lel

glacial skiff May 7, 2021, 2:20 AM

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So if you’re night fae do you take the AA conduit or show of force?

tame jasper May 7, 2021, 3:55 AM

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How do you play last room before final boss in hoa this week? Just normal and hopping to kill all explosives or do you run through and pull the caster behind the wall abd wait untill adds coming to los the explosives?

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:03 AM

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How in the hell are you guys getting 10 CPM on Shield Slam? LOL

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if I'm focused on it I can get up to about 7, but I know I'm still missing procs even due to logs showing rage wasted

tame jasper May 7, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Hmm. I hit it on CD and proc and constantly getting 9-11 cpm

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My problem is to increase blocked hits, I still dont get it improved 😦

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:10 AM

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that's an intervene/charge more answer probably

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but like, is this part of the issue?

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LOL

tame jasper May 7, 2021, 4:11 AM

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short kiln that's an intervene/charge more answer probably

Ofc it is :/

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:12 AM

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positioning might help too, making sure nothing hits your back, proper timing of SB use to make sure you aren't creating holes... what's the percentage you're at now?

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realistically if you're above 72ish you're doing well

solemn current May 7, 2021, 4:25 AM

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What's the percentage increase per target for something like the Blood-Spattered Scale? 15% right?

tame jasper May 7, 2021, 4:29 AM

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short kiln positioning might help too, making sure nothing hits your back, proper timing of...

~55 mostly 😦

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Ooh

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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short kiln How in the hell are you guys getting 10 CPM on Shield Slam? LOL

90% of that is setting up your UI properly

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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@brittle owl I'm listening

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 4:31 AM

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there's no secret sauce, just "proper" UI. no redundant data, rotational abilities closer to the center of the screen, ability flashes when off cd or when procs happen etc etc

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if you have issues with certain abilities, can just put "training wheels" on them

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i.e.:

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if you struggle with SS, modify the WA to blast an airhorn or some other sound so that you never miss to press it, and turn it off when you have the muscle memory in place

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also just whacking a target dummy from time to time helps training your muscle memory

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:34 AM

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I've contemplated the WA sound for avatar uptime tbh

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but recently I've been able to get better with that one

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I'm using Afrenar's WA console

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and Plka's Elvui profile

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 4:36 AM

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UI's are very subjective. some people get by using other's setups, some people like making their own

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you'll get good returns in the future if you learn to build your own, but it'll take some time until you reach a serviceable state

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:37 AM

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I've been around the block on the UI front. The one I have in place now seems to be the best I've had to date.

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it could admittedly be a tunneling issue

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so I'll try the sound for now

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I'm generally good at not standing in stuff so it's not like I'm going to be airhorned to death. LOL

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 4:39 AM

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in bfa i had that "BAM!" sound play on my warr for TC and on judgement on my paladin until i commited my prio to memory for example

short kiln May 7, 2021, 4:39 AM

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I'll set that up before my runs tomorrow for sure.

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Good tip! Thanks for your idea!!

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 4:40 AM

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np peepoHappy

carmine prawn May 7, 2021, 5:01 AM

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restive rose <@50150460526432256> Thanks for the WA/UI section. Could you explain the plater...

Not exactly a gold standard but it removes the standard hp plate and makes it customisable to your liking

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Also, it allows coloration to let you identify if you are holding aggro, losing aggro or other tank holding aggro or some heals and dps is holding aggro

rough girder May 7, 2021, 5:37 AM

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restive rose Anyone have suggestions for UI? Not sure how all the threat plates and stuff lik...

I built my own for a long time but, eventually it got really horribly cluttered. I can’t recommend highly enough Quazii’s UI and Plater profile. The UI is clean, has the WAs you need to know about, has a dungeon pack that warns you about what you need/bleeds/curses etc and his Plater profile is neat, has de buffs/buffs / stacks etc. It really helped me actually keeping what I needed to a minimum and only show the important stuff. not sponsored 😂 just really like his UI set up, has one for every class.

rough girder May 7, 2021, 5:41 AM

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urban portal sire tank trinket worth?

If you don’t have Blood Spattered Scale then it’s ok but, BSS outperforms it from personal experience.

heady pawn May 7, 2021, 6:14 AM

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I second Quazii's UI. I've altered it quite a bit to suit the things I want in the forefront (as you should do with anyone elses ui) but it is an excellent foundation

rough girder May 7, 2021, 6:35 AM

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I made it so it has GCD timer and spells flash that are either free/important that just come off cooldown and it’s absolutely perfect for what I needed, I’ve even hidden my key binds and having so much of my screen open is a godsend

austere glade May 7, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Hello ladies and gentlemen. I just got reprisal on my Prot Kyrian (highly geared 188ilvl 😉 and I and doing m+ ) I just have question… what is the second skill I click on pull 🤩 assuming that first one is charge. What is the single most effective skill to use upon charging in group of let’s say 4 generic mobs. What will give me most aggro so mobs will not run straight to mage 🤩 is it Tuunderclap ? Should I cast Ravager ? Or spear ? Or Revenge because it’s free ? Survivalist is not an issue..so far

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:20 AM

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u should cast ravager before u charge

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cast sb during charge

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and revenge when u get to the mobs

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or TC depending if mobs are behind u

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:24 AM

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...and jakey just leaves out the avatar as you charge..

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In fact; just cast avatar always..even if you aren't fighting stuff Because you look like a cool bronze statue!! (don't do that)

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:28 AM

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u can cast avatar when u want its off the gcd

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all off the spells above are on the gcd

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:29 AM

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^ (was a joke..he asked for a list ..actually the second spell, then "the most effective")

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That's probably the most annoying part about prot warrior.. the kitchen sink of shit we're trying to throw at mobs instantly on engage.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:30 AM

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well thats the problem with the prio list as well

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changes every pull really

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 8:30 AM

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i don't see a problem with "cast all the things"

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BestStat

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:30 AM

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Yeah.. the important stuff to remember is that Tclap doesn't apply bleed; where as revenge does.

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And you want to get your spear down ASAP while hitting as many mobs as you can.. Spear is like between 89 and 113% of our damage (those may be exaggerated a bit)

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So your 'free' revenge, and insta dumping spear is actually great rage gen and aoe damage; but wouldn't dump spear until you get the demo shout off (assuming you're doing booming voice)

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:33 AM

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i hardly press demo anymore

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got to

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REVENGJ

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Pepexecute

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:33 AM

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are you just running BSC with reprisal lego?

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:33 AM

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yer

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u should do

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:34 AM

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Not a terrible idea; But at that point...just full commit and get that reverb goin'.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:34 AM

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BSC is a dps increase with rep over BV and u dont need the rage from BV ither

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so its kind of a waste

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and i do run seismic anyways most of the time in 14s/15s

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:35 AM

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aye; all I do now is the occassional 15 and I run seismic on them

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:35 AM

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probably not this week cause aint fortifed so thing die to fast to pump pump

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:35 AM

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I stopped pushing keys month/s? ago...'cause..why? so I hadn't bothered to change over to bsc with reprisal.

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I was SO psyched for M+ going into shadowlands, and it faded fast.. =\

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:36 AM

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I got all 19s and at this point i fucking cba to much effort to push while pugging at least next season looks my some of my guildies want to do the 20s

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so w

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that will give me ppl to do 20s with

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Yeah 9.1 actually puts a worthwhile carrot up for 20's.

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It's only a carrot for this xpac..sadly. but still SOMETHING useful.

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SOMETHING has to replace the HOLE IN MY HEART left by the ..master alchemy stone thingie..from BFA that now has no use.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:39 AM

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the WoD tps were so useful and so will these ones be

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so looking forward to getting them

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then i can zip around with engineering as well

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:39 AM

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Right, as long as you were doing challenge modes during that xpac they were awesome. Now..useless 😦

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:40 AM

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i used the tps to go and farm the raids for tmog

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until i got them

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:40 AM

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Fair enough...I still wanna do normal mode uldir for a couple items; but it's not fully soloable and a lot of people don't wanna do it.

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I tried to get a crew for mythic Dazar'alor..I want dem SHOULDIES...

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and it was...not pretty.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:41 AM

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i got full BoD not uldir

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:41 AM

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I got the helm and gave it to some DK..'cause the helm looks like booty on a fire dwarf.

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But the shoulders I want for the splittable mog in 9.1

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Was going through pieces..there's a set that looks ok with those shoulders but it's not easy to match that bone white crap

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I may have to pvp to get the..I think it's belt? the pvp nathria belt is the bright silver one right?

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I figured a lot of people would want to do Dazar'alor for the crown/helm from Opulence. It's STILL useful.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:44 AM

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it is?

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:44 AM

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50% shrink gem...+13 run speed gem.. free 45? mainstat+stam pot (cheapie free prepot for dungeons) +15 mainstat food (free/reusable..)

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:45 AM

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meh

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:45 AM

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when I say 'gem' obviously I mean clickable item.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:45 AM

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yer i got rid of mine ages ago

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 8:45 AM

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you log in..pop the helm..and you probably get something useful.

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the prepot is awesome for progression

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and dungeons you don't wanna use real prepots in.

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and the runspeed gem will have utility forever...though admittedly not a huge amount.

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What are the conditions of an item restore?

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you might be able to restore it? I dunno

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 8:48 AM

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nah i hardly used it when it was current aint using it now

lucid sail May 7, 2021, 9:26 AM

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whats a good % of haste u want to be on atm?

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:30 AM

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they amount of haste u have with your higher ilvl equiped

lucid sail May 7, 2021, 9:30 AM

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i have 24% atm

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:31 AM

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is that with your higher ilvl equiped?

lucid sail May 7, 2021, 9:31 AM

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yeah

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:31 AM

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then thats fine

lucid sail May 7, 2021, 9:31 AM

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well im not fully geared yet

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:31 AM

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and ilvl will do more for u than haste

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Has anyone figured out how rings/necks factor into stats with Stamina etc?

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since you dont got MS

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:32 AM

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about 10 ilvls is an upgrade

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just cause more stats > less better stats

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Yeah that makes sense ty ty

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:33 AM

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but is more feel crafty for sure

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there some ppl out there that wont equip a ring thats 15 ilvls higher

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for instance

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:33 AM

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yeah

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its tough seeing that -164 haste

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:34 AM

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true

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:34 AM

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blizz should just remove stats alltogether to make it easier yep

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:34 AM

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or just bring back reforging

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:34 AM

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so much that

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ive ranted enough about it

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reforging was bad cus you had to only reforge hit/expertise

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but now that those stats are gone just literally bring it back

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i cant see a drawback

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 9:36 AM

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🤷

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 9:39 AM

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especially when a lot of classes got their pve bis items through high-level pvp

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peepostudy

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 9:57 AM

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oh god please no, we're only just starting to cure the 'muh vers' syndrome

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imagine people talking about stats with reforging

blazing condor May 7, 2021, 10:03 AM

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imagine people not having to worry about muh vers on every item piece because they can just get vers through reforging

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if they dont want reforging back at least give us the ability to get item pieces with stats we want

gaunt dawn May 7, 2021, 10:04 AM

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bring back reforging

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make all items useful!

misty charm May 7, 2021, 10:06 AM

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that wouldnt change a thing tho

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there would still be items that are just better because of what stats they come with

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 11:03 AM

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all items are useful wdym

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did you check vendor prices ???

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insane profits

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smh people are lazy

still pagoda May 7, 2021, 11:08 AM

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brittle owl oh god please no, we're only just starting to cure the 'muh vers' syndrome

warrior it never ends it seems

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at least i never contracted it

strong forum May 7, 2021, 11:09 AM

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Once everybody keeps sucking off bears, after the great push event, the vers meme will rebirth again

honest plinth May 7, 2021, 11:20 AM

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<vers enjoyer

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@still pagoda <vers hater, haste padder

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 11:22 AM

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Xeosbear

ionic fern May 7, 2021, 11:24 AM

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strong forum Once everybody keeps sucking off bears, after the great push event, the vers mem...

😦

strong forum May 7, 2021, 11:24 AM

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Bet

ripe seal May 7, 2021, 11:25 AM

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fringe marten Any quick tips on Sire Denny before we start prog tonight.. any of the stuff you...

Shield Block Is your best friend

honest plinth May 7, 2021, 11:26 AM

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Nah, my best friend name is Tolya

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:35 AM

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S2 gonna be season of bears probably since everyones gonna look at great push dominance. Fine by me, i dont want to be meta

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 11:44 AM

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i dont care if we are meta or not i just dont want the wrong commuity perception, which unfortunatly we have and will have for the rest of the expansion as the perception comes from launch

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yep

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:46 AM

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Ehh...? We weren't seen as OP in legion but we were at it's very start; in BFA tank balance was ok..no one stood out; then after corruptions we were auto invites into M+

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I think perception changes honestly due to something far worse...youtuber videos.

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Each new tier/etc everyone puts out their clickbait 'i'm trying to grow my channel' hot takes...and everyone rolls their new 'main' based on it.

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We need a joe rogan podcast of ...why a warrior went into the jungle to take DMT and fight a gorilla..to permanently change peoples opinion.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:49 AM

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Tank balance was ok in bfa dungeons copium

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Early tier no one was up in arms about tank imbalance..and most folks thought things were pretty balanced. (it's NEVER going to be balanced, always going to be a better choice to push cutting edge content with)

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Btw dadugan if you're tanking sire with a bear you need to watch a vdh pov for p2 so you know where to jump

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:50 AM

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I only played season 1 and 2 bfa before taking a break because couldnt stand the expansion and all I remember were dks and prots with occasional brew

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:50 AM

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? are they going to be expecting me to go to the edges with the adds?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Everyone does

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You go away solo with the boss

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After going to the edge

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:51 AM

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...what about classes that can't do that..IE bear?

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like..what if we had..bear and paladin?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Paladin better be venthyr

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In that case

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You have to move the boss away so he grips the raid from the platforms to the mirror. It isn't optional

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Can't design end of tier content around the assumption that someone will have a specific covenant. I guess what I'm saying is..regardless of what limit max or echo or I don't care does.. That can't be the INTENDED way to fight it.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Well

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I have bad news for you

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Blizzard designs things to require classes all the time

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:52 AM

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I'm not saying you're wrong here..what I'm saying is..that can't be the way it was BUILT to be fought.

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Sometimes multiple class stacking mandatory

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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You can also do it with grips or gateways, wild charge whatever

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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No they do very rarely..they DO sometimes yes.. IE priest mind control..etc.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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I know what you're saying

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Most fights are designed with base movement speed, no special tricks required...position at X..dps Y..swap on Z..kill fight.

still pagoda May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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jagged pier i dont care if we are meta or not i just dont want the wrong commuity perception...

yep

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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You're just wrong though. No flame. That's how the fight works

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

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It absolutely has to be done that way?

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can't be fought from the 'middle' of the room or something? THEN he takes you to mirrors?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:54 AM

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Melee gateway to one add, and tank moves boss away so the hand grip brings them back to the platform and you can mirror

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You can't fight from the middle

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:54 AM

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I know you get those caster adds with the ..aura you have to get inside or some crap..it's one of the mini bosses you deal with in the castle.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:54 AM

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The first 4 miniboss adds in p2 spawn one on each platform

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There's nothing in the middle to fight

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:55 AM

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So it would be an all ranged battle, or have to gate/etc. ? that's..? wow that's lame.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:56 AM

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One of the adds grips you when you hit it with any ranged ability, and one had a shroud you can't hit from outside so all ranged doesn't solve the problem

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:56 AM

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You're now requiring a specific covenant..class..etc. I absolutely understand that might be how it has to be done; but I fundamentally think that's bad design.

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If the gaps were so small that NORMAL jump could get over it; and now you just require people to do 1 platforming jump..OK I'm ok with that.

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But to basically say Warlock..or Venthyr, or classes with leap/glide/hook HAVE to be there to do this fight. ehhhh..

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Better then even just last expansion, ghuun was what 4 warlocks?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Doesn't really matter to me

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I'm just saying that's what you have to do

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:57 AM

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That smacks of "OHH wouldn't it be cool if we did THIS in the fight!!" and then after a week trying to build/design it they realize "oh this pigeon holes people into certain class comps..OH FUCK IT"

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:57 AM

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If a guild has paladin and bear then they may have problems yes

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:58 AM

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Like the early progression on uhh? Kiljaedan

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Needing like double roar to have enough movement to clear a phase..like WTF is that?

inland raft May 7, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Blizzard has a furry fetish first was just druid, then it was vulpera, now nf is the dominant faction

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They didnt imagine a raid wouldnt have double roar

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 11:59 AM

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You need ONE tank to be dh or warrior or venthyr (OR get two awkward grips). It's really not that bad

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Again; I agree that's how it works atm...I just think that's not how any fight of any caliber should be built..ever.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 12:00 PM

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And if a guild doesn't have a warlock they probably have bigger problems

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:00 PM

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The "bring the player not the class" is the only design paradigm that should ever be followed.

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Yeah I understand that's just not realistic right now; but blizzard themselves have stated they wanted that to be their design goals for content.

inland raft May 7, 2021, 12:01 PM

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I mean if they adhered that to the letter then would need to design encounters where you just brought same all of same class like say paladin or druid that has all roles covered

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Theres a middle ground somewhere

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:02 PM

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The middle ground is..if you bring 20 solid players, have tanking covered..enough healing..and dps and they do mechanics/execute the fight. They should be able to topple literally everything in the game.

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Which is why I agree with the spell buff scrolls and such; if you don't have a class..you can cover that.

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That obviously sounds like a fantasy right now; but it is just how I view raiding should be in any mmo. If you aren't going to allow a bunch of anyone who plays well to win; then you should require 1 of everything...everyone should have a unique buff and something critical they bring to the table. not just a few classes.

inland raft May 7, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Its an rpg still technically even if theyve stripped large parts of the roleplay out of it, class variance still a good thing imo

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Yup; and class interdependance is completely OK. I dealt with it for years in Everquest and beyond... but modern mmo's started homogenizing classes..a tank is a tank..a dps is a dps, either melee or ranged.

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Those were the days of..must have mage, must have shaman, must have bard..must have a dozen clerics~

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Anyway you asked for tips. Watch a vDH pov is the tip.

Gateway with melee NE
leap to the south (east of the cross), aim the frontal to the SE add
use big defensive as needed to go in the mirror
heroic throw the SW add (get gripped) taunt boss after frontal, leap east (south of the cross)
frontal can go wherever, raid gets gripped

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:05 PM

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ok..so we need EVERYONE. I'm cool with that. Then all group content should be like that.

inland raft May 7, 2021, 12:05 PM

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I agree it’s frustrating if you have to change your roster for a fight but thats part of the challenge of raiding no fight is hard really the difficulty is organizing 20 people in the right roles and all paying attention at same time

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:06 PM

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Yeah but that's exactly what it is; 20 humans who can focus for 8 or 10+ minutes..have high APM on their class and focus to execute it well..THEN SHOW UP EVERY PROG NIGHT..

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Having the same 20 people who play at a competent level and show up all the time is a titanic hurdle.

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And what we got for juggling the people who did and didn't show up, having them learn the fight then bench them when the 'main' players logged on an hour late.. then hundreds of attempts later kill SLG... ANIMA!

inland raft May 7, 2021, 12:08 PM

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Ya its ehy i ended up not raiding this tier cuz had taken a break from bfa and then was playing classic and got burn out from managing 40 people, prob gonna raid again next tier but relying on 19 other people does get exhausting

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:08 PM

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and like 3 or 4 people got an item 7 ilevels above what they had.

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like..WTF ARE WE DOING THIS FOR?

inland raft May 7, 2021, 12:08 PM

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But ya thats the challenge of raiding not the fights themselves usually

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:09 PM

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No the fights are challenging just because getting people to focus and play well and coordinate like that is not easy. Because out of 20 people a couple mistakes and it just implodes..THAT makes it hard.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 12:09 PM

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I didn't read any of that but sire is a pretty fun boss, gl with prog and all that 🙃

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:10 PM

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I know words are hard too.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 12:11 PM

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Hey man you ask for boss tips

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I provide boss tips

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:12 PM

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I wasn't mad about the tip; just the core theory of why that 'tip' needs to exist. Was a conflict with design philosophy with the game. Not that I won't execute it.

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I don't dig too deep into vids and such because simply put..I'll have my part of the fight down in a couple pulls; while the dps/heals are tightening up their ends up it for many dozens more pulls.

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I actually would not want to be a dps in modern raids..it's cancer.

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I'm irritable due to returnal.. lol.

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Probably 80% of guilds had a vdh this tier anyway 🤪 i guess if the meta were significantly different there might have been more complaints or a fight change

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:21 PM

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80% of guilds had a soulless sellout coward?

brittle owl May 7, 2021, 12:21 PM

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just kill the boss lmao

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:22 PM

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like..if you've been on DH since legion and love tanking; sure ok. But if you watched some tier video before SL came out; or ..even worse..changed classes. I hope your blood clots in your brain.

fierce field May 7, 2021, 12:23 PM

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DH.... dookie class for dookie players.

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Like..if we got to sire, and suddenly I had to be a paladin? or DH..and for whatever reason NO ONE else could change or be the other tank. If for whatever reason I HAD to class change; I'd simply say "ok guys good luck!" and log out of wow for an indetermined about of time.

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amount~ of time.

fierce field May 7, 2021, 12:31 PM

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i enjoy war and brew, i love the theory of bear, but for some reason that one makes my hand hurt to play.

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:32 PM

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...wait..the easier tank hurts your hand?

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Anyone got tips for mythic inerva as prot? I feel like there’s such a gross amount of magic damage. Like especially when I hold the big add and still have 2 stacks of the dot. Just dump ignore pain?

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:34 PM

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You can reflect the cast of the big add; even on mythic

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so you can delay it's effect if making you take more damage from her dot.

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and when you're not actively tanking; you're dumping ignore pain.

fierce field May 7, 2021, 12:35 PM

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not sure why, just the repetitive stress of smashing swipe and ironfurs

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:35 PM

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The other thing you can do; and it's more strenuous and difficult..is largely keep you and your cotank at 1 stack of her debuff.

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If you actively watch the dot timer on both you and cotank; one of you can basically call swaps to time it so that you each get 1 stack like ? 70% of the time; and then occassionally one tank will be forced to take 2.

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The problem is..it's a tight timer; like you're watching to see who has like 1 sec of the dot left; then taunting..and using her spell queue delay to have it drop off and then you or other tank gets 1 stack. It can be done for much of the fight..HOWEVER it causes taunt DR issues.

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like..a little bit into the fight; you or other tank will taunt..and it'll just dink and do nothing. Because you're taunting her faster than it was intended to swap

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Yeah I notice the her dot has such weird timers sometimes

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:38 PM

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So; you can try it..or you can just use spell reflect on the big add when he's about to cast his debuff, then have cotank take it over if you want..whatever. Or just dump ignore pain when you aren't the 'on' tank..and honestly you can use IP a lot even while she's on you.

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Her melee is laughable; the only thing that hits worth a damn in that fight is the big add.

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Then last but not least; swap up some trinkies to do more self healing or warding..like Sanguine vintage/Scale..etc. Even something like the beating abomination heart. It ain't a great trinket but it can provide ok healing over time...if that's what you desperately need.

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Yeah for sure I was looking at the damage is numbers and it’s almost all the dot. Like taking the big add while having the debuff is yuckie

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Right; so just reflect him for sure..you can get a feel for the timing of the fight as to how early you can burn off reflects until you HAVE to hold it for the add spawn.

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I think..IIRC I could use reflect twice before the first big add? I don't remember now...but definitely do that.

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:42 PM

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That sounds about right, I think the adds are at least 1 minute between

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:42 PM

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He doesn't insta cast it, and it's not instant...so you engage him, wait a couple seconds and then he'll cast it.

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You don't have to try and 'predict' it like people do with immunities to avoid the adds.

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As long as I maxed at 2 stacks; the fight never fealt that tough. My issue was with my old ass eyes...I'd 'lose' the images sometimes; screen would be a wash of red and I was just praying I was looking the right way.

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Yeah the last 20% is a lot of red. I’m not dying I was just trying to optimize my rage so I could dump more into dps to help with the enrage

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 12:46 PM

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if you're getting to execute phase; you should be gucci

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 12:49 PM

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Had her at like 5% with a few dead before the overflow. Hopefully with a little luck with immunities and a couple more alive we got it.

misty charm May 7, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Guys how do you deal with the blobs in PF on those affixes?

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Before the first boss?

misty charm May 7, 2021, 1:00 PM

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ye

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Make the whole pack into 2 or 3 smaller pulls, try to kill evenly and hope your got some dispells

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:01 PM

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I don't even remember what this weeks affixes are?

misty charm May 7, 2021, 1:01 PM

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so basically dont pull everything and hope the dps have some braincells 😄

misty charm May 7, 2021, 1:01 PM

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fringe marten I don't even remember what this weeks affixes are?

explosives and bursting

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:01 PM

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OH yeah sorry I did do a key this week lol

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yeah pull like half'ish..if you REALLY gotta'..do 3 pulls.

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pull 1 small group with the one big slime golem..so you're also killing something more meaningful

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then 1 slightly bigger group of just slimes

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then last small group of slimes with slime golem

misty charm May 7, 2021, 1:02 PM

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doing a 17 right now, not sure i guess ill go the save way since timer shouldnt be a problem anyway

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Don't forget man..heroic throw 1 shots orbs.

misty charm May 7, 2021, 1:02 PM

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ye orbs arent the problems at all

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more like dps drolling over the fact that they can AoE

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:03 PM

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I hate the fact that we can't vic rush off orbs; but I overall love the change..was a smart change to them.

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Oh FK them..sometimes you just can't pullN'blast with the affixes.

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That's why only a couple weeks are 'push' weeks.

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Victory rushing off orbs would be wild

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:05 PM

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it was...and I blame boost for the nerf!

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back in ...? legion or bfa?? Boost posted a vid of him doing a pretty stout key for the time; with no healer. was uhh..waycrest manor? I think? so must have been BFA

wild hemlock May 7, 2021, 1:12 PM

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i play ele sham. we bring almost nothing to mythic raids 🙂

strong forum May 7, 2021, 1:14 PM

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solemn magnet Victory rushing off orbs would be wild

I mean that's literally how it's been all of legion and half of bfa

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And then it got an undocumented change that it doesn't anymore

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And we got told by a GM that its not intended, and that's what where we were left off with.

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Back in 8.2

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 1:16 PM

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strong forum I mean that's literally how it's been all of legion and half of bfa

I didn't really play Legion or the first half of bfa 😩

strong forum May 7, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Pwar was literally immortal during explosive weeks :)

still pagoda May 7, 2021, 1:17 PM

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vel as if it wasn't immortal outside of them

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in right hands of course

fringe marten May 7, 2021, 1:27 PM

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yeah the orbs stopped giving vic rush in late bfa, I remember in one of the new seasons I did a run during an explosive week and "uhh..? wait..this can't be right?" the run was in the..stupid pirate town dungeon.

modern brook May 7, 2021, 1:40 PM

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strong forum Pwar was literally immortal during explosive weeks :)

Blood DK w/ a shield was pog af tbh

distant crystal May 7, 2021, 2:08 PM

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@fringe marten don't you fucking disrespect the best dungeon of this decade like that!

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Guys, how good is 3% leech from Hunt's exhiliration?

distant crystal May 7, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Freehold!

strong forum May 7, 2021, 2:09 PM

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jade tartan Guys, how good is 3% leech from Hunt's exhiliration?

3% leech is about 40hps

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So...

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Quite dogshit

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Not very exciting, the new conduits from Korayn..

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Niya Bonded Hearts tho..

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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wood you fellows run a 223 phial or a 220 haste w/mainstat proc pvp trinket for m+

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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phial

strong forum May 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Medallion isn't bad tbh, but for dmg phial wins

modern brook May 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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both probably

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fuck scales

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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i have alar

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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fuck scale and alar tbh

modern brook May 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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^this tbh

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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😠

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i run phial decanter for meme dps

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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imagine not having hynmal for dps

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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idk what that even is

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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wq trinket does more damage than 226 decanter

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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gross

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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and sometimes more damage than a 220 phial

strong forum May 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I wouldn't run alar

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Lul

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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im a scared boy.

signal plover May 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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jagged pier fuck scale and alar tbh

Hey fukka youu

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:54 PM

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i ran scale when i pushed

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i dont push anymore

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so fuk em

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and im still to yet even see al'ar from boss or vault

thorn narwhal May 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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i vaulted it

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i play dps :3

strong forum May 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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🟤 = play the game and push
🟡 = play the game less
🔵 = vanish

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 2:55 PM

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🟡

tame jasper May 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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i vaulted fury this week for the first time. as prot scale 220-226 would be my only upgrade. the armorslots i have on 220/223 I can alos get as fury, but 2h-weapons (atm 200) I cant get as prot ^^

fierce field May 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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i've given up on getting scale or alar

strong forum May 7, 2021, 2:56 PM

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If you loot as fury you can loot 1h

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So if you want to loot as dps, go arms

distant crystal May 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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imagine using an absorb trinket

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ew

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I've more or less stopped pushing because I don't have alar and BSS, rather than because I'm bad :(

unique shale May 7, 2021, 3:14 PM

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i give up on pushing because no invite

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peepoHappy

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 3:27 PM

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unique shale i give up on pushing because no invite

😢

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:30 PM

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sadge

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Guys, isn't Kyrian Mikanikos looking extremely good?

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:34 PM

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his final soulbind trait is looking good

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but the rest is still

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uhhh

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not great

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 3:34 PM

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Do you like Wild Hunt Strategem ?

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:35 PM

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it looks very good for m+ or add heavy raid fights

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:37 PM

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hey guys do you know which are the best talents for mythic sire?

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:38 PM

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devastator - double time - booming voice - bounding stride - indomitable - into the fray - bolster (anger management if you want more damage at the cost of some shield block uptime)

young oasis May 7, 2021, 3:41 PM

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I started progressing Sire last night and went with bolster, for the first time since raid tier release. I feel crippled for some reason, I like that avatar use more often :(

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:41 PM

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he fucking slaps, yeah

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:41 PM

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thank you very much the only talent i pretty much had wrong is the into the fray

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but yes we had some problem with sire aswell

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im getting smashed p3 and i cant survive

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:42 PM

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scorn ouch

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:42 PM

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i still need to fix my position and everything cause we are still progressing p3 but still

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even in p2 im kinda struggling a lot

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and i use everything

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:43 PM

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wish i could help more but i dont tank raids sadge so i have no concrete advice to give

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but there is always the option to use externals

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ive also heard reprisal owns on sire, idk what lego u run

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:44 PM

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everytime i need an external we already used em

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the wall

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 3:46 PM

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does the other tank soak all of them?

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or do you external impale targets?

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or is it just panic external usage?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 3:46 PM

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How far into p3 are you? What's your cotank? What taunt swaps are you doing in p3 (eg. once every knockback)?

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In p3 at least only the holy paladin has a sac

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Unless you have two paladins the second healer inside is usually shaman

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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my co tank is blood dk

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we swap on every shattering

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and we only reached 29% yet

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i kinda failed on my position aswell so i need to fix it

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and in p3 we also have a paladin in our team who is spamming heals

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Every shattering is a lot of stacks on mythic

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 3:48 PM

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so what do you reccoment?

elfin nova May 7, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I haven't actually done sire on my warrior but just referencing what I do on dh your stacks will drop off earlier than every knockback cast

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Especially at the start when not that much is happening you can swap more so you can hold cds

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Do you have logs?

subtle island May 7, 2021, 4:00 PM

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any general tips for slg guys?

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:01 PM

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subtle island any general tips for slg guys?

What do you struggle on ? Slg is pretty straight forward/easy on war

subtle island May 7, 2021, 4:03 PM

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just downed sludge last night - just wondering if there's anything to watch out for really

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/just any general insight

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:04 PM

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sweet summit devastator - double time - booming voice - bounding stride - indomitable - into ...

im actually finding AM fine there but it depends on how well i play ive had like a difference of 70-90% blockedhit during progress

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so far

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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for M+, going into the fray / hr is it dat bad ?

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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yes and no

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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jade tartan for M+, going into the fray / hr is it dat bad ?

if u need the block i.e in like 24s then yer

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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its great if you need the extra effective SB uptime

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but its bad if you dont

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:06 PM

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☝️

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:06 PM

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because we're losing a lot of avatar uptime with AM ?

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:06 PM

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sick sentinel so what do you reccoment?

I swapped from monk to war after the progress and had struggle on p3 as well. I had a paladin co tank and did pretty much the same swap timings as you do. (but my cotank requires way more healing :(( )

What helped me was managing the blood price. Reflecting it + trying to turn your back with SB can save you a lot of HP there.
Other than that classic stuff try and keep SB up as much as possible and small extra gets to ip. CD management is key. I usually get there with Shield wall available and Last Stand close to be up.

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:06 PM

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jade tartan because we're losing a lot of avatar uptime with AM ?

and you loose the cooldown of shield wall

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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AM can effectively reduce SW cd for what? 2 mins?

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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1:30-2 mins

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with stalwart

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conduit which u should be running

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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thats very nice, sorry for the noob questions btw

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what about running into the fray with AM?

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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subtle island /just any general insight

Depens on your job.

personnaly: i was the kaal tank, i just needed to go with repraisal and whenever i could just get free SB when kaal was about to blade or smt. Dont hesitate using Shield wall when Goliath are reducing healing. Other than that as i said pretty straight forward.

Can't really talk about the add tanking but other that goliath they are not really scary

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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jade tartan what about running into the fray with AM?

no

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rav is far better

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and u only take ITF with HR for the extra SS resets

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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more rage + spent + cdr

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Correct?

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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yes

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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I see, thank you.

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Was trying to get rid of Ravager cause it still feels quite clunky to me, even with a cursor macro

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I really dont know why

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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"no path available" keksquad

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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ravager is too good not to have

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in m+

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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i dont know how it feels clunky once its down u have so much rage you shouldnt have down time

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I'll get used to it

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The optimal play is ravaging before charging correct?

strong forum May 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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It's such a rage steroid peepoHappyFisher

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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i get BFA vibes when i pop ravager and ls

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peepoHappy

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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when ppl dont use LS as a dps cd in dungeons it makes me

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sadge

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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when ppl dont use LS at all

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sadge

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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thats a big sad

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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What about Weapon Enchant, saw a high tank using Ascended Vigor, probably because of the healer he's running?

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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o who?

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i think most people run celestial

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lightless force is also good if u want aoe dps

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Seaborg#season=season-sl-1

Raider.IO

Seaborg ‹SDS› @ Stormrage (US)

Protection Warrior, Item Level 227, SL Season 1 Mythic+ Score 2614, Castle Nathria Progress 10/10 Mythic.

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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@iron forum explain vigor lore

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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@iron forum ☝️

jade tartan May 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Maybe because Mistweaver?

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Or Holy Priest

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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@iron forum hopping on the bandwagon

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/nbcmanifest-nbc-season1-manifest-5Y8y2ql1vF1J6qAHXW

Giphy

Manifest

strong forum May 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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If you don't enchant celestial guidance or Lightless force in m+ you're inting

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:19 PM

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What if you dont enchant at all ?

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:19 PM

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big inting

strong forum May 7, 2021, 4:19 PM

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For max keys you wanna use celestial cuz it actually has defensive benefits

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For pushing dps Lightless ain't half bad

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:20 PM

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jagged pier big inting

I realised i had no enchant on my 233 weapon after 3 weeks sadge

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:20 PM

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dandy

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:20 PM

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🤔

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:20 PM

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languid juniper I realised i had no enchant on my 233 weapon after 3 weeks <:sadge:8202023633598...

https://giphy.com/gifs/why-you-always-lying-WZOffTa9X1FZe

Giphy

languid juniper May 7, 2021, 4:21 PM

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jagged pier https://giphy.com/gifs/why-you-always-lying-WZOffTa9X1FZe

Pepexecute

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 4:22 PM

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😆

iron forum May 7, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Holy shit lol, waking up to half the prot discord flaming my weapons enchant

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sadge

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I did a trap 16 with a 160 ilvl healer and swapped to vigor out of fear and forgot to swap back apparently, I actually didn't know celestial was more defensive value

patent osprey May 7, 2021, 4:42 PM

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its ok @iron forum I still ❤️ u

iron forum May 7, 2021, 4:42 PM

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patent osprey its ok <@!146435158117974016> I still ❤️ u

peepoBlush

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@jagged pier @sweet summit @chilly brook please accept my humblest apologies for besmirching the prot dream with a cowardly weapon enchant

strong forum May 7, 2021, 4:43 PM

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See, your first mistake was waking up

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seanbee

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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not flaming sadge

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just want lore

hot pasture May 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Lmao

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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iron forum <@179993058186625025> <@165864577760755712> <@133532617940140032> please accept...

Lol

iron forum May 7, 2021, 4:44 PM

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The lore is that a fool and his lightless force are soon parted

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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sadge

signal plover May 7, 2021, 4:45 PM

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A-holes

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Poor guy just tryina live a dream

iron forum May 7, 2021, 4:46 PM

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strong forum See, your first mistake was waking up

I'm about to bust out some leftover deep dish pizza for breakfast, makes waking up a lot better

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peepoHappy

signal plover May 7, 2021, 4:47 PM

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proximity alert

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What kinda deep dish

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As in, where from

iron forum May 7, 2021, 4:49 PM

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There's a chain called Zacharias deep dish where I am in the bay area, they make some top notch pizzas.

final mist May 7, 2021, 4:49 PM

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deep dish

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Disgusting

opal shore May 7, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Tanking mythic for my raid for the 1st time, is demo shout enough mitigation to rotate by itself of should i try to stack a shield block with it??

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Just hit it

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Dont think about it

sturdy sable May 7, 2021, 4:56 PM

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opal shore Tanking mythic for my raid for the 1st time, is demo shout enough mitigation to ...

No not really

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Just hit it don't think about it. Use it when your getting hit obviously but it's not enough to cover on its own

opal shore May 7, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Ok cool thanks

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 5:01 PM

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iron forum <@179993058186625025> <@165864577760755712> <@133532617940140032> please accept...

i just needed answers wasnt flaming was wondering if u big brained a new strat

iron forum May 7, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Oh I didn't actually take it as flame lol I was just joking

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But no, no big brain strat. Just manki brain

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🐒

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 5:03 PM

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damn these pump

signal plover May 7, 2021, 5:08 PM

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iron forum There's a chain called Zacharias deep dish where I am in the bay area, they make...

scoffs

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No wonder your weapon enchants r wack

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Have they fixed it so that the ravager talent works with signet yet?

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like it does with arms

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 5:09 PM

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its not supposed to

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otherwise they probably would have fixed it in beta

iron forum May 7, 2021, 5:09 PM

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signal plover No wonder your weapon enchants r wack

Are you a thin crust heathen?

sick sentinel May 7, 2021, 5:10 PM

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I know the ravager for prot is a separate spell id but i figured that if they let it work for arms it should work for prot

signal plover May 7, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Nah I'm a Chicago purist lol

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Similar levels of degenerate ignorant opinion I suppose tho

iron forum May 7, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Unfortunately I live a little ways from Chicago, so I have to make do with what I can

signal plover May 7, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Carry on

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Wayward son

iron forum May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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And there only a couple places that really nail deep dish or calzones here

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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stuffed crust

signal plover May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Don't act like Europe has stuffed crust when u don't even have chipotle

amber herald May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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yes but the prot version reads avatar/bladestorm

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and we don't have bladestorm

signal plover May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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What's stuffed in it, free healthcare?

iron forum May 7, 2021, 5:11 PM

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signal plover Don't act like Europe has stuffed crust when u don't even have chipotle

keksquad

sweet summit May 7, 2021, 5:15 PM

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:/

short kiln May 7, 2021, 5:20 PM

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You like Hymnal @jagged pier ? I pulled a 194 on it but not sure if better than my 200 OPC

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Idk what OPC stands for off the top my head, but hymnal 95% sure it's better

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Hymnal slaps solot

modern brook May 7, 2021, 5:26 PM

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solemn magnet Idk what OPC stands for off the top my head, but hymnal 95% sure it's better

overwhelming power crystal

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crit

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Oh ehhh

modern brook May 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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fatty hymnal still better

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Yeah

modern brook May 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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194 isnt really fatty though

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ultimately it doesnt matter

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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203 is the hotness

modern brook May 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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nothing matters

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we're prot warrior

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just use the shield

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 5:38 PM

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short kiln You like Hymnal <@179993058186625025> ? I pulled a 194 on it but not sure if bet...

that is a 194 one

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did more dps than my 226phial in that run

short kiln May 7, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Well then. That helps!

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 5:43 PM

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But the extra str from phial prolly push the rest over hymnal

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Overall

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If you had another 226 to run with it

rancid ember May 7, 2021, 5:47 PM

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I have Hymnal haven't tried.. Guess I will now XD

misty charm May 7, 2021, 6:10 PM

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guys does it make a big difference if i play vulpera instead of orc?

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🤔

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:10 PM

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yeah vulpera is better

misty charm May 7, 2021, 6:10 PM

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why and by how much? 👀

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:11 PM

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nose for trouble prevents on average 250k dmg taken in m+

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orc gives you a bit of a dmg buff on a 2minCD

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thats the difference

misty charm May 7, 2021, 6:11 PM

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damn

rancid ember May 7, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Don't fall for it Fabio he's tricking you into joining his weird furry clan

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:12 PM

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and the on use of vulpera can healcrit for 20k, be it on you or your party members

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Nose for trouble will mitigate like 8% overall dungeon dmg

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But being a vulp sucks

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:15 PM

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only if youre a doo-doo head

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Doesn't matter how much you zoom out, the camera being anchored that low to the ground is the worst

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Vulpera is pretty dumb

rancid ember May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Only a vulp player would say that. yep

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Everything else about vulpera is S tier

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Big dam buff go brrrrrr

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:16 PM

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youre just mad that im superior

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and you know it

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seanbee

chilly brook May 7, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Now that's projecting

solemn magnet May 7, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Being able to wear oversized boots properly is a big deal

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 6:19 PM

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damage to explosives in a 19 i just ran

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:Yep:

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:19 PM

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eyir cocks

gilded tendonBOT May 7, 2021, 6:19 PM

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yep

ionic fern May 7, 2021, 6:19 PM

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I'm usually on the warlock revel.

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peepoHappy

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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i wish i could be

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literally no one was hitting them

strong forum May 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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usually explosive is a healer mechanic nowadys

ionic fern May 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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^

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Just get a resto druid.

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😄

jagged pier May 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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including the ones that spawned next to them at range