That's me
#protection
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brittle owl
only chad stuff
lyric summit
Anime warriors always use 2h weapons for tanking, because big logic 
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where we could tank with a 2h
Best time
flint tiger
But for a more serious answer, just pick a character and play to enjoy the journey. If it ends up not working out, then reroll and see if you enjoy the other journey.
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Yup
modern brook
YEAH FUCK WEEBS
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Literally
brittle owl
shut up weeb
supple lily
shut up weeb
no u
brittle owl
jagged pier
im not even a weeb and i like 2h tanking i just liked back handing mobs
brittle owl
git rekt
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
u dont get to back hand ppl though
wild hemlock
i literally just read a dog say he doesnt feel like hes playing the right class 45 times
carmine prawn
Wanna throw it in here, which dps spec of warr is easier to pick up as os?
brittle owl
prot
jagged pier
fury
brittle owl
wut
jagged pier
its press the flashy buttons
floral pewter
If you don't want to monitor party status or know what mobs do, it kinda sounds like DPS is the role you would like more, tbh
waxen cradle
I'm not a weeb... I'm rubber and your glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!!! HA!!! 3rd grade logic
brittle owl
mild lintel
But I don’t want to DPS...
jagged pier
<a:peepodrive:810655714720088105>
get rekt
carmine prawn
Fury is easy to get into m+ pugs?
supple lily
But I don’t want to DPS...
then neither prot p or prot w is for u
roll a wheelchair tank
mild lintel
...
brittle owl
in the wise words of charlie sheen
jagged pier
Fury is easy to get into m+ pugs?
its pumping right now, it scaled insanly well with prideful
brittle owl
prot is winning
mild lintel
Okay maybe I should be a bit more clear.
On my prot warr I have AotC & have done 10’s
I have every tank at max level.
I am not new to WoW.
(What I’ve wanted to do was specifically compare key differences between prot w & prot p because even through simple testing I can’t really figure it out)
modern brook
Okay maybe I should be a bit more clear.
On my prot warr I have AotC & have done...
one has a heal, the other has a shout
supple lily
mild lintel
Then why do you think I was trying to ask the people who time 20s....
jagged pier
because there isnt a difference at like any lvl
both can do both
they just play slightly differently
mild lintel
I didn’t need people telling me “follow your heart” play what you like
jagged pier
but the difference is down to gameplay
floral pewter
There's no secret spellbook that only unlocks at +20
jagged pier
so its pick which u enjoy the most
mild lintel
Yes but that’s what I’ve been hoping to learn this whole time
What are their specific differences
jagged pier
gameplay
thats the difference
ones 100% preemtive
the other isnt and heals themselve sometimes
mild lintel
I’m trying to clear this up because 10 people are trying to help
Okay so is prot w the 100 preemptive one?
jagged pier
yes
mild lintel
Okay, so is it important for the pally to be very outwardly going or do they still mostly focus on themselves at these high levels
waxen cradle
Yes Prot Warrior if you try to deal with damage after the fact you die, you plan cd's and manage the damage before you take it, trying to predict as close to the damage amount as you can.
jagged pier
as of yesterday when i looked at the top prot paladin we wasnt running hand of the protector
so i doubt he was healing anyone but himself
or herself
mild lintel
Gotcha, but you wouldn’t say that’s always the case in different metas for them?
waxen cradle
But always preparing to reduce it before you get hit as P Warrior is built 100% around reducing damage before you take it, and making the overall damage very low and smooth.
jagged pier
my personally as a paladin take hand of the protector and like topping ppl up
solemn magnet
I mean, a prot pally will WoG teammates sometimes
jagged pier
but u dont have to do it ever
mild lintel
So you like managing everyone a lot more with your utility
supple lily
that's ppally shtick - to be support tank, just based on their kit
just whenever they used it or not based on keylevel, specific situation etc
mild lintel
I feel like I’m not good at micro managing & diverting resources to others regularly as a tank.
So maybe a more personalized tank might be better for my skill set?
jagged pier
probably yer
mild lintel
Because I feel like these key small differences get very accentuated as you play the class closer & closer to perfect
waxen cradle
Yes if your not good at micromanaging cds and playing a support role P Pally is probably not the play for you
mild lintel
Okay, & overall I genuinely prefer a more beefy tank & I think someone said prot p, don’t get as beefy personally
solemn magnet
You could completely ignore your team as a prot pally and you'd be left with prot war support.
mild lintel
Lmao this is how Jonah hill feels in an interview xd
solemn magnet
Bear is the beefiest boy
supple lily
bear is god amongst men rn
mild lintel
I’d say I’m generally not very supportive as much in higher stressful levels of content
waxen cradle
Well in my defense I am part of the hiring team where I work and set in on all interviews so...
Okay boys lets not derail him, he is trying to decide between a 2 shield tanks I dont think he wants to be a fat furry bear
mild lintel
I’m not looking to play guardian although yeah I admit they are more of a beef tank.
I’m looking between prot w / prot p because I’ve narrowed it down to those two
waxen cradle
get out of here furries jk 😛 ...or am I
floral pewter
I’m not looking to play guardian although yeah I admit they are more of a beef t...
from the things you've said, it sounds like there is literally no reason you would want to play paladin over warrior
unless you just absolutely LOVE avenger's shield or something
mild lintel
And you feel like you’ve been able to look at that pretty objectively?
Cuz I feel like you’ve been one of the ones actually trying really hard to help me
flint tiger
If you want a tank class whose kit is more personally focused, warrior utility is really just limited to using rally and intervene in a target (but only if you run a conduit to reduce dmg).
jagged pier
u should use intervene on cd with reprisal
mild lintel
Yeah I’m very comfortable with rally I do like that, but just because I like rally I’m thinking I wouldn’t more to manage then that
jagged pier
and not care about the conduit there are far better ones out there
mild lintel
I still play wall cuz I raid more than m+
floral pewter
And you feel like you’ve been able to look at that pretty objectively?
no, because I only know you from a couple paragraphs worth of text chat, but if you agree that sounds like a fair description, then it's probably right
if you're already playing paladin and it hasn't grabbed you over warrior, it's not going to suddenly start grabbing you in 19s
flint tiger
and not care about the conduit there are far better ones out there
True, but I'm more just trying to share that warrior is limited to what utility we can really do to teammates.
mild lintel
Yeah, I get you. It’s just hard to tell because I sit there upset after putting 200 hrs into warr
Upset because I say like. Was I supposed to be playing pally?
floral pewter
I mean, I mained warrior in classic and switched to paladin in TBC, and every moment of the switch was like "oh my god this is AMAZING, I can make my hp bar move in the other direction"
mild lintel
I can’t restart. There’s no way I can do all that again...
floral pewter
meanwhile I've played lots of other alts who were like, oh yeah, this is fine, but not worth maining to me
mild lintel
Yeah that’s how I feel about a lot of tanks
But I’ve been stuck between two
Like blood is great, but I’d never main it. It’s just cool
Same with Vdh even tho they are so good all year. I don’t have a passion that pulls me to them
But to be honest. I really want to protect people & tank. But I don’t want to be a healer.
I’m just not passionate at all about healing
waxen cradle
Then it sounds like Warrior is the go to for you
floral pewter
also, going with the character you've invested time into is legit
mild lintel
Things aren’t always black & white either ya know
Like take me vs Nomeratur
If Warrior tanks lost using a shield
(I’d be a prot pally in a heart beat)
He wouldn’t care. He’d be a warrior till the day he dies
flint tiger
oh HELL no
mild lintel
But, remember I said I didn’t care to heal.
Like it’s not always black & white like that
mild lintel
Well they won’t but like, do you understand my example
mild lintel
Well yeah I love being a tank & im very into holding a shield
So every class in the game is gone besides two
waxen cradle
Yeah that fact that Warrior mogs have traditionally always looked good for the most part is a sweet bonus
mild lintel
But I’m sitting here asking for help & I have someone atting me 6 times
(You should play DPS you’re a DPS player) like lol stop?
solid cairn
i find almost all the transmog set for war ugly
mild lintel
If I take every class in WoW
I’m 100% on
Tank | Plate Armor | Shield
(So that only leaves two left)
waxen cradle
@mild lintel Its really the context of the conversation and what point they joined it at that lead them to that statement
flint tiger
to get my shield fantasy
mild lintel
But then I can’t really seem to pick between the last two & sadly I don’t have time to play 2 characters
flint tiger
(semi-serious answer)
mild lintel
Lmao that’s kinda funny I like it
flint tiger
and that amount of variety has been enough for me
even though fury is the meta and arguably better M+ spec, arms pumps just fine
solid cairn
and the fact that we didn't have a class that use a spear with a shield
flint tiger
and i prefer having the ability to give the tank a 6 second melee immunity with intervene & DBTS
mild lintel
But yeah I appreciate the people who’ve actually tried really hard to help me (& those 4 know who they are)
The others was just confusion
flint tiger
cause often times, pug tanks over-estimate how much they can actually tank lol
i do miss BFA season 4 arms though
I don't miss the RNG BS of corruption though lol
waxen cradle
Corruption = kill it, then drive over it, then set it on fire, then bury the ashes
solemn magnet
But yeah I appreciate the people who’ve actually tried really hard to help me (&...
😕
mild lintel
Hmm
mild lintel
lol, imagine
flint tiger
My first character was a warrior in BC (joined right before ZA patch). got to like level 25, leveling with DW cause i was a noob and some dick said i should only level as fury. Saw a decked out pally walk by and was shit i want mana. Didn't help that I thought warriors sucked cause I literally was missing every auto. Looked up to see if prot pally could do dps seeing only vanilla prot pally videos (didn't know it was a difference lmao).
Rerolled, got to max level as a paladin and kinda enjoyed tanking for a little bit. Then I saw a fully decked out Warrior in T6 and bulwark of Azzinoth. Been a warrior since.
mild lintel
Yeah & it was both at tanking yeah?
flint tiger
yup
i leveled the warrior the entire way as prot
cause i thought it'd look cooler
lmao
mild lintel
That’s what I’ve done for all my characters
When I tell people I’ve never played DPS or healer in WoW. They don’t believe me but, well I’m truthful
waxen cradle
Plus if your dungeon leveling being a tank kind of makes that easier than being a dps, now in BC that was not a thing of course, but yeah the idea stands, getting groups as a tank is considerably easier
flint tiger
for most of 9.0 i was playing arms, cause reprisal for warriors wasn't a thing yet and I still thought prot warr basically was spam TC every other global. it's what made me not wanna tank in BFA
took on average over an hour to get into keys every time
waxen cradle
Did not mean they did not slap I meant dungeon leveling
flint tiger
then 9.0.5 hit and i saw reprisal changes, decided to try tanking again since it sounded like we weren't TC bots
and literally insta-invites again
has been glorious
jagged pier
we werent TC bots in 9.0
flint tiger
right, i know that now
brittle owl
playing a tank spoils you in the lfg world
flint tiger
i didn't really research it that much cause BFA was such a turnoff. that, and the group i was playing with for my raid squad already had their tanks
waxen cradle
BFA I felt was another expac that had the potential to be much better than it was, in comparison no expac will ever catch my ire the way WoD did, but there have been some expacs that at first look presented so much potential and simply did not live up to it
flint tiger
RIP Glad stance
waxen cradle
Now for me this statement is saved by the raids, as the "most" of the time good/great raids can save a expac
brittle owl
too bad you had endbosses with #wait "mechanics"
waxen cradle
yeah exactly
hated that crap
gotta love the whole.... "okay guys now your stand here and do nothing for a set amount of time...isnt that fun" ?
livid gyro
On the other hand I'd prefer immune phases with RP in them rather than stupid broken abilities for RP reasons
waxen cradle
I will even go so far as to say some of the FF14 harder level raid mechanics seemed very engaging, very very unforgiving of even small fuck ups, but I did enjoy them because you had to keep doing something actively or die
livid gyro
are you making a case for azshara intermission
I'm definitely not saying they're a good thing
mild lintel
Ff14 raids feel odd tho
waxen cradle
They do
mild lintel
Like not as much is happening
brittle owl
comparing shit to diarheea isn't really a good comparison though
mild lintel
???
livid gyro
Sure, ideally you'd have neither
waxen cradle
Though I lost interest in FF14 super fast... WoW is like that old mafia saying " just when I thought I was out they drag me back in"
mild lintel
I’m gonna go watch some YouTube this chat has me just so confused wtf
livid gyro
Not really sure what's confusing
brittle owl
prob the scat
solemn magnet
Ff14 savages are literally single player fights you just hope no one fucks up
livid gyro
It was just a comparison though
mild lintel
@jagged pier @flint tiger @waxen cradle @solemn magnet
Thanks for the help today, I appreciate how much you all tried ❤️
I’ll figure it out one day
waxen cradle
Were talking about diarheea and how sometimes it smelly or poopy and sometimes both, what's not to get 😛
mild lintel
And @floral pewter of course too I just had to scroll up to get the name
supple lily
what nuts
brittle owl
yes
mild lintel
Alright pce at me if ya need me
brittle owl
deez
livid gyro
Gottem
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THE NUTS OH GOD THE NUTS
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is quantum device worth using on prot?
Generally not, since we dont have powerful CDs to line it up with
mellow gorge
i have last stand 😄
blazing condor
mellow gorge
the only thing with a 3 minute cooldown do
strong forum
That's not an offensive CD
mellow gorge
true
sweet summit
it is with uf 
mellow gorge
hmmm
strong forum
Just not desirable
mellow gorge
it's either a 226 iqt or 213 glut spike
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Spike
Passive trinkets or on-use absorb trinkets are generally the only desirable trinkets
mellow gorge
i can't have 2 scales sadly
strong forum
For dmg ofc you have uses for dmg proc trinkets be it on use or passive
But stat enhancing on use items usually aren't great offensively for tanks
mellow gorge
eh i'll use it and find out
mellow gorge
it's picking my best stat, not highest
mastery being highest, it picked haste twice
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mellow gorge
don't ask
mellow gorge
ohh
signal plover
sweet summit
one of your two highest stats in #, during lust its only your highest stat and its extended by like 10 seconds
as long as you dont get the shitty options
dire drift
best covenant for prot war, focus on m plus
sweet summit
like execute/heal/mana
dire drift
?
blazing condor
haste on haste pog
sweet summit
kyrain or night fae
blazing condor
NF or kyrian
signal plover
Night Kyrian or Fae
dire drift
which one do you guys prefer ?
jagged pier
best covenant for prot war, focus on m plus
dire drift
ty all
strong forum
Whatever is currently your highest
mellow gorge
ahhhh
strong forum
If you proc mastery proc from covenant, it might push that one over the edge
In my case I'd always get haste cuz I have like 900 haste, and the 2nd highest stat is around 300-400
So even with buffs I'd still get haste
potent anvil
It's +5 to the duration under lust iirc
strong forum
Interesting
potent anvil
Afaik, I think the healing would override the bonus effect during lust
Otherwise you guarantee stats
potent anvil
Uh probably...never test or saw it happen during sludgefist lust timing
sweet summit
if your hp or close ally's hp is < 30%, then it heals.
if a healer near you is <20% mana, then it gives him mana.
if crowd controlled then it removes it.
if something related to being "in danger" then it spawns a device that grabs aggro.
if trinket can execute your target with x damage, it will.
if none of those things are true then it buffs a secondary stat
in that order
strong forum
I'm always in danger
potent anvil
I dunno if its different with lust though. Its been talked about like a month ago that it almost always guarantees stats and +5 duration
But I dont really use it a lot...so I dunno
stark sage
think its just 'am the danger'
jagged pier
just gunna add my name to make more yellow
stark sage
sweet summit
jagged pier
stark sage
lime urchin
What does Bryan say there, cuz his lips don't match "I am the danger"
It annoys me, did not see that. Imma delete le gif!
ionic fern
Damn, i was so sure i did a key last week. The dissapointment. 😦
jagged pier
potent anvil
potent anvil
strong forum
Lul
fresh belfry
It's +5 to the duration under lust iirc
- during lust ita a guaranteed stat proc while outside it might give mana to a healer or heal yourself or execute if you dont pay attention
@sweet summit
sweet summit
o thats epic
round dock
The best way to buff tanks was to give people a glitched 10 year old belt attachment
The absolute state :sadge:
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ionic maple
Any other necro enjoy running marileth in dungeons?
The constant buff uptime feels good, not sure on how it actually compares to emeni
jagged pier
pretty sure eminem is still better
lucid dew
Is there any reason to craft the wall anymore if I’m not a mythic raider
sand steppe
Hymnal is offered as a WQ now in bastion on NA
lucid dew
Is there a reason to not like reprisal? I can see how the wall could be better in some raid scenarios but reprisal seems sufficient to me.
solemn magnet
Yeah, reprisal is ass gameplay. Don't @ me
ionic fern
👀
jagged pier
Is there a reason to not like reprisal? I can see how the wall could be better i...
some people dont like the gameplay and some cant make it work the the best of its value
novel lotus
Reprisal reminds me a lot of banner warrior back in the day
chilly brook
Wut
novel lotus
Just intervening around everywhere 🤷
flint tiger
Rip bannervene
iron forum
i kind of hate reprisal
its like, i get to play a hyper mobile tank... but i have to use all my mobility to keep shield block uptime
and on some packs/ bosses its extremely annoying to find openings to proc it
ionic fern
Idk, i rarely found myself using all my mobility when Reprisal was not a thing.
So it just helps me utilise it more.
supple lily
at least this mobility used to jump into the fray
not to run away in fear without cds
haughty sleet
Anyone prog sire with reprisal?
jagged pier
me
haughty sleet
How’s that going
jagged pier
fine
haughty sleet
What’s your overall dtps looking like with it
oblique garnet
Comparing wall and reprisal on fight like sire depends more on what is your job on the fight
jagged pier
look at death if i do die
oblique garnet
Are you tanking remornia more or boss
haughty sleet
Boss
jagged pier
was it my fault 99% of the time yes
oblique garnet
Then reprisal is probably better
haughty sleet
Hopping all around in p2
oblique garnet
- Its better for damage and on sire dps check can be tight so extra p3 damage definitely helps
prisma bear
The constant buff uptime feels good, not sure on how it actually compares to eme...
if the moving while fleshcrafting part of emeni wasn't a thing i would definitely be marileth
haughty sleet
We are also memeing by not running an hpal
jagged pier
F
haughty sleet
Mist weaver
oblique garnet
Oof
sweet summit
🔫
haughty sleet
33% without getting to p3 clean
sweet summit
is 33% the first overlap?
oblique garnet
33% is first seeds no?
surreal cairn
Hi i'm fairly new to prot and was wondering if vault choice questions are ok here?
sick sentinel
i don't understand mankind. i took a group trough a timed 15 SoA : i didnt die once, they all died once or twice, the druid didnt have treants, the hunter didnt soak on ophyrion, and the monk used RoP once and it was useless. at the end i got a "we made it with a crap tank".
lucid dew
Tanks always get blamed
lofty widget
Hi i'm fairly new to prot and was wondering if vault choice questions are ok her...
ofc!
surreal cairn
I know the shoulders are a big step up but read that sanguine vintage was really strong so wasn't sure if it made more sense
surreal cairn
Alrighty, cheers!
blazing condor
is it worth doing torghast still for soul ash
idk how the changes for next patch gonna be
sweet summit
might as well, even tho it sucks ass
hot pasture
truth, it sucks ass. pull the whole floor and tell everyone to keep up lol
solemn magnet
i don't understand mankind. i took a group trough a timed 15 SoA : i didnt die o...
Hunter soaking in SoA is a huge dps loss. Tanks can soak them.
shut linden
I know the shoulders are a big step up but read that sanguine vintage was really...
Just a heads up, if you ever see a plate helm in your vault, you grab that bad boy right away.
Helms are the bane of my existence
sick sentinel
Hunter soaking in SoA is a huge dps loss. Tanks can soak them.
whats your strategy to soak as a warrior ?
tacit smelt
Can reflect an orb so as yang stated save it for the DR
patent osprey
My Strat on 22+ SOA is to have someone with an immunity soak the first 5, and Then I soak the 2nd 5
cause if u try to soak 10 in 22+, ull probably die unless u burn everything + healer burns things to keep u up. but the healer needs things to keep people up from the blasts on dps
if they soak the first 5, its not much of a dps loss, esp if they can soak while dpsing liek cloak or pally bubble
solemn magnet
Turtle tho =(
rancid ember
I usually burn CDs soaking orbs. We save the second normal pack for after boss, and your CD's are back up before 2nd/3rd Angels anyways. Not much need for Tank CD's on the angels though
solemn magnet
Better than your tank dying, for sure
honest plinth
if you are in pushing meta you have hpally for it
valid zodiac
226 to replace 216 scale. Only took this long
hot pasture
nice i've used valor on mine from 184 to 220 lmao
floral pewter
is it worth doing torghast still for soul ash
by the look of it, you won't need soul ash to upgrade past t4, and the new layers 9-12 will still drop soul ash
so, if you want to make a new leggo, sure
but if you already have all the leggos you want, no
gusty saffron
You guys go reprisal even for pushing right?
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
especially for pushing
gusty saffron
Oh, even better then
and you prio legs?
I mean between legs and feet, pkla got it on legs
floral pewter
yeah, unless you can get 233 legs from SLG
and even then, legs are probably a better choice for next tier
solemn magnet
Legs will be better in 9. 1 anyways
novel dune
Do you guys think going a necro prot for sire mythic would be a big hinderance compared to going NF?
mighty valley
Doubt it? Banner could be great depending on your DPS, and fleshcraft is decently useful
signal plover
No
You could probably get good value out of it on the first stack in P1 but anytime after that it would be a bit of a nightmare to micro.
Flesh craft would prolly be nice tho
novel dune
The reason im asking is because I might need to switch to prot war for danny progress and I dont want to pick a covenant t hat will gimp me
signal plover
None of our covenants will gimp you for sire prog
novel dune
Even venthyr?
signal plover
My point was moreso don't swap to necro for sire specifically
Venthyr let's you condemn while keeping defensive value in P3 where ST dmg rly matters
jagged pier
NF is better for raiding than necro imo in sire necri will be pretty hard to get off effectivly as u spend most of the fight stacked
So the buff could go on anyone
urban portal
Venth prot doesn't honestly seem that bad
P1 and p3 have a lot of incoming damage
But the only problem is that we can't start at 35
signal plover
I mean u get condemn above 80 as well
So that's roughly 2 ravage phases in P1
But you're usually slamming rage into aoe there
jagged pier
It would ve good in phase 1 if the absorb sheild effect all damage i dont think the pulsing aoe or the night huners count as damage from the boss
modern brook
they dont
or rather the Night hunters dont
I actually dont know about the pulsing aoe
signal plover
I doubt it, they're separate mobs
I would think the night hunters count as sire dmg tho, interesting
sweet summit
modern brook
🥟
signal plover
Logik
sweet summit
did u see p3 yesterday paw?
carmine prawn
Wanna ask in advance, for heroic night hunter, what cd do i press when standing in the intersection to soak the lines? For bear i just press ironfur, shield block as prot warrior?
sweet summit
you cant block night hunter
i doubt you need anything, could use an IP or something
novel dune
The condemn absorb is like 75% of an ignore pain isnt it?
sweet summit
something like that
carmine prawn
Aite, ignore pain it is
jagged pier
Wanna ask in advance, for heroic night hunter, what cd do i press when standing ...
none
armour is enough
for all 3 on mythic
it does nothing on hc
carmine prawn
Cool. Thanks!!
languid mason
hey guys think it makes sense to play into the fray talent under 18% haste? instead of ravager?
amber herald
for m+? nah
amber herald
yeah
amber herald
you'd play ITF with HR
amber herald
yeah that build is used by one streamer who's doing 25s
amber herald
depends on your legendary lol
sweet summit
ravager+am
amber herald
got reprisal?
languid mason
andybrew i kno
sweet summit
with reprisal
languid mason
ok
amber herald
HR ITF is better defensively as you're getting better shield block uptime
but you're missing out on a lot of damage/threat from ravager and anger management
languid mason
ok]
amber herald
halves its cooldown
lunar jackal
^
languid mason
jus spend rage till its off CD?
sweet summit
you just play
amber herald
yeah and you always pop avatar on CD
sweet summit
do ur normal rotation
languid mason
ok
amber herald
unless it's at the very very end of a pack
amber herald
yeah but you'll be doing that anyway
sweet summit
youre overthinking it
amber herald
I wouldn't aim to do it
languid mason
ok
amber herald
aim to keep SB up and revenge a lot
crisp dragon
Anyone got an idea how to replicate this mythic denathrius spell reflect?
We were trying to reset boss, and I got a 77k spell reflect
strong forum
the teleport?
crisp dragon
It happened while I was trying to reset I leapt out of the room, he was casting wracking pain, then teleported to me, I think my WA said it was wracking pain
cinder nova
How does one do more damage on M Darkvein?
I'm floating around 4.1K or so by the last phase and I wanna do more.
short kiln
quick question: Hymnal of the path 194 or OPC at 200? Other Trink is SLH 220
fringe marten
? OmniCD's raid bars empty out (tracking externals in raid) if I zone out, or sometimes don't pop up when people join..etc. Do you just need to /reload to fix that?
Scotty generally speaking the OPC out performs the hymnal in aoe at equal levels, for single target the hymnal probably wins out...you'd have to sim it though; but I believe that's how it'll end up.
Wracking was reflectable in like beta right? but not any more..but you can mitigate it's damage.
@short kiln What content are you weighing those trinkets for?
short kiln
M+ mainly
the major differentials as far as I can see it are vers on Hymnal vs Str on OPC, and the value of the potential heals vs the straight murder hobo status of the crit addition
fringe marten
Depending on key strength; at some point you end up defaulting to basically what all tanks run...Scale and shard of alar. If you're doing keys where you can get a little spicy (and not reverb spicy)..I'll sim them.
fringe marten
it was too important; after the 'upgradable' dungeon loot changes..I just mashed my face into DOS until I got it.
Now I'm doing the same for plaguefall..but it's just for a DPS toy..not as critical.
Was the same thing in BFA, every new M+ tier..when you could run M+ for loot upgrades for a bit..I just mashed my face into Atal'Dazar until I got the shield/weapon.
k so I parsed a bunch of stuff I had on me...as well as 2 different weapons.
I have a 226 axe with lightless force, and a 226 hammer with celestial guidance.
no lust, no food, battleshout, weapon oil... patchwerk, 6 bosses, 40 seconds.
(no prepot either)
fringe marten
I'm kyrian, using pelagos..using standard M+ loadout with show of force/piercing verdict..etc
in descending order..
the axe with lightless force 226 overwhelming crystal+223 decanter
OPC+my 203 flame of battle (double on use)
OPC+226 gluttonous spike..
it started btw at 9945 dps..and it's losing like 40 to 60 dps each different trinket loadout.
OH btw sorry
top option was
Axe with light force, 226 OPC, 220 SLG trinket.
then the decanter.down from there.
then 5th option was..same loadout (226 power crystal, 220 SLG) but changing to hammer with celstial guidance.
then the same combos..in the same order..under that.
then it finally gets into..OPC+ 203 misfiring centurion controller..
at 9700 dps (as opposed to the top of 9945)
then further down the list at 9608..is 226 OPC+my 194 hymnal..using the 1h axe with Lightless force.
So the answer to your question was exactly what I suggested it probably was...for M+/AOE OPC+SLG trinket.
and..lightless force for raw damage; and celestial guidance for slightly less damage but slightly more armor.
Sorry I know it's a lot of text but I figured I'd give you a handful of the options so you could see how close they were and how they stacked up.
I do not understand this? OmniCD was working fine earlier but now that I'm in raid proper it's not bringing up the little mini raid window for externals I had set up.
I just /reloaded and still not popping up
signal plover
fringe marten
there was a message about needing to do /rc rl to reload it, because of an issue with shadowUF which I use
but ? I did it and none of it's working
slow warren
does parry/dodge prevent p3 scorn stacks? i've seen some conflicting info around
urban portal
If no one answers in an hour I can check some logs for you
shut summit
@slow warren yes
slow warren
i know parry doesn't for sure but not sure about dodge
olive cosmos
Yes*
slow warren
i still gain scorn stacks when i parry intervene
or maybe that's just during shattering pain idk
shut summit
could just be specifically made to not work with that? would be weird
chilly brook
i still gain scorn stacks when i parry intervene
Like parry an attack that would otherwise hit your cotank?
slow warren
dbts intervene
chilly brook
My assumption would be its rolled as a hit for him and as such the dot has to go somewhere
Even though you're "parrying" the attack
slow warren
our monk tank also said dodging still gives scorn stacks which matched my experience with dbts intervene so i believed him
chilly brook
Yea dodge definitely doesnt give you a stack
👀
I'd just wager it's a weird interaction with how mechanics are calculated with intervene
Since you can intervene mechanics
unique shale
aright i am confuse as f
i gain 6 ilvl on my helmet while losing 80 versa
does it worth losing 80 versa for 6 ilvl ?
cinder nova
could just be specifically made to not work with that? would be weird
Is sinful rev more DPS than CG? 🤔
slow warren
how did you get the stacks to show in logs?
floral pewter
I do not understand this? OmniCD was working fine earlier but now that I'm in r...
where was it working before?
slow warren
ok scorn from shattering pain can't be prevented by parry/dodge but the scorn from autos can
there's the source of my confusion
blazing igloo
What stat missives do I put on reprisal (on legs)
floral pewter
haste is our best stat, followed by vers
cinder nova
Haste/Crit if you wanna pump tho
brazen surge
Spell reflection works on what ability in the sire denathrius fight?
brazen surge
@unique shale Thank you very much!
lunar yacht
Hey all, new to prot.
I'm running devastator for keys but finding myself looking for devastate when rage starved to fill and it feels odd not having it.
I'm guessing ideally that there shouldn't be a point where I'm at 0 rage? Do I maybe hold off on spending for IP if I don't really need it? Btw I'm not spending rage on revenge.
fringe marten
ok..now we get to prog on Vampire Chad..
dude..hundreds of attempts on SLG..SO worth: I got ANIMA power guys. I can recharge the lost souls of the shadowlands..I'm a hero.
brazen surge
Even though it was filled with fail attempts I managed to get my percentage of hits down. Which is good. However, I still feel like I blow through CD's like candy and I am left high and dry by the end of P2. My haste may be too damn low. Im at 11%. Its higher with the talent that requires people around me but I do not feel as though I am building rage quickly enough.
fringe marten
? I assume you mean % of unblocked hits?
brazen surge
Yes. Sorry for not clarifying that.
fringe marten
I figured.
chilly brook
Hey all, new to prot.
I'm running devastator for keys but finding myself lookin...
If you're having rage issues and you're not pressing revenge you're overusing IP or simply not pressing your buttons
lunar yacht
If you're having rage issues and you're not pressing revenge you're overusing IP...
I think I must be overusing IP then, I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks. I'm guessing there should always something to press? Is there any ever downtime?
brittle owl
you might have empty globals from time to time
but you generally have something to press
lunar yacht
you might have empty globals from time to time
I think that's what's happening where I want to devastate but can't haha
urban portal
i dont think i have downtime ever
in m+
need to be charging, intervening, revenging, etc
brazen surge
@urban portal Regarding your name, the University of Oklahoma was nice for my undergrad. I miss game days. Highly unlikely that’s who your name is referencing but it made me think of it.
grizzled forge
what do you filter to look at percent of blocked hits etc?
sweet summit
you -> damage taken -> mouseover here
rough girder
I think that's what's happening where I want to devastate but can't haha
Are you running any legendary currently? With reprisal and anger management talented, it’s hard to not have any rage and there’s always a button to press (Charge, Intervene, thunderclap, raveger, heroic leap (used with a charge), night fae / Kyrian ability are all rage generators) / (shield block, ignore pain, revenge are your main spenders) ideally run reprisal in M+ and even raids now and you’ll find you have an abundance of rage 🙂 good luck
errant leaf
Are some of you guys using whirlwind as prot ? Cause i saw some pov of some prot warr using it so idk
Seems garbage to me but wanan ask you guys
jagged pier
i dont know who u watching but that is wrong
rough girder
Never use Whirlwind, revenge does everything better
errant leaf
Okok thats what i expected
jagged pier
unless its in torgy that fine
errant leaf
Gotchu
rough girder
Yeah I use it in Torghast to pull enemies in with the ability but other than that it’s not even on my skill bar
distant kestrel
Anyone know why are people starting to use Into the Fray and Heavy Repercussions tanking in high keys??
jagged pier
because of the extra block
but if u aint doing 24s no need
top ones with HR and ITF bottom is AM rav
in the high keys the extra blocked hits really matter
and let u stay in longer
distant kestrel
so its more defensive and less kite-based i guess?
my team waants me to start tanking our 20s when used to dps them so...trying to learn as much as I can xD
distant kestrel
thanks! and does Best Serve cold work with Reprisal lego? or is it just overall better going BoomingVoice?
sweet summit
best served cold works and is the preferred talent
misty charm
look at you flexing with that 88% uptime 👀 
jagged pier
ive never done it again
but its shows what u can do
i also dont do really challenging stuff so more often than not i just press revengj now
misty charm
same, recently hit a new record with 5.1k overall
jagged pier
gratz
misty charm
i mean i do challenging stuff but late night we just run low keys and "boost" people for fun
misty charm
i also dont do really challenging stuff so more often than not i just press reve...
btw, whats the source on the revengj meme? 👀
brittle owl
brittle owl
btw, whats the source on the revengj meme? 👀
it's revenj, tyvm
misty charm
understandable have a nice day
strong forum
Frankly, that's a revenj issue.
brittle owl
@misty charm don't forget to press ravej 
misty charm
i will
strong forum
Uwavagew
still pagoda
jagged pier
:peepoRope:
strong forum
misty charm
so let me get this straight, theres no source on that meme, its just revengj
jagged pier
we REVENGJ
misty charm
and we protej?
strong forum
It's just revenj
sweet summit
revenj
strong forum
Just how you pronounce it
misty charm
smh jakey
jagged pier
revengj
strong forum
It's just a phonetical joke
misty charm
i like that
brittle owl
@misty charm i am the source of the meme 
misty charm
you are.. the meme 👀
sweet summit
jagged pier
strong forum
He is a meme
blazing condor
revenj
sweet summit
brittle dagger
you served me well 🙏
rugged mural
Question on tanking keys this week. On Tyranical weeks, I want to try and do bigger trash pulls to make up time. But it’s bursting. How do you make up time in places like HoA and DOS?
jagged pier
you gain time because its not fortifed
rugged mural
Just pulling single pack by single pack?
jagged pier
if u add up the extra time it takes to do fortied trash comapred to the extra time it takes to do tryan bosses
the extra from from fortifed will be higheer
i do the same routes each week
never have an issue
prisma bear
bursting is also easy to heal
grievous is what i would be worried about healing larger pulls than usual
rugged mural
Hmmm. Ok.
errant leaf
Do you guys run same talents for tyran weeks ?
rugged mural
I usually do a triple pull at start of Ardenweld wing and for urn in Ardenweld wing in DOS. I’m assuming those would wreck a pug. Should I split those?
errant leaf
Or maybe itf can be better for ST
jagged pier
Do you guys run same talents for tyran weeks ?
u run the same
prisma bear
i can see itf being better on tyrannical and also maybe booming instead of bsc
jagged pier
I usually do a triple pull at start of Ardenweld wing and for urn in Ardenweld w...
you can split it up or u can pull it if u trust your dps to stop and let bursting drop off
strong forum
Tyrannical keys in itself are usually faster, but harder
Since you can easily brick the key to a boss
solemn magnet
With bursting you either kill everything the same time, like usual, or you need to wait for some bursting to fall off before killing more stuff. Having stacks about to fall off then killing something to refresh those stacks is Hella sadge
solemn magnet
Mass dispel has a cd right?
solemn magnet
YAH!
brittle owl
jagged pier
i did a dungeon with 2 priests last time it was bursting
literally mega pulled everything
was fun
jagged pier
eternal sail
Should newb warriors running Reprisal take Bolster or AM?
"Newb" meaning tanking 10-15s.
past grove
Haven't touched stones at all this expac...
modern brook
honestly i just buy whatevers cheaper on the ah that day
jagged pier
i have both
modern brook
generally its oils cause stat pots are stupid
eternal sail
Are there any simple WAs that show Shield Block time? :3
brittle owl
i have both
so uh, i heard your stones are oily 😳
modern brook
Are there any simple WAs that show Shield Block time? :3
like the duration of SB?
jagged pier
so uh, i heard your stones are oily 😳
my bags are oily i think i have like 400 oil in the bags atm
brittle owl
delete that before NA wakes up
fathom spindle
Kek
brittle owl
jagged pier
KEKW
brittle owl
rip.nice knowing ya @jagged pier
jagged pier
thats a strat
modern brook
heard u got oil tho jakey :^)
jagged pier
<:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506> heard u got oil tho jakey :^)
get away from me i will fight for my oil
modern brook
😦
modern brook
we just finished one war too 😦
brittle owl
or thinking of a brit threatening armed conflict
fathom spindle
When it comes to oil, NA don’t meme though 😮
eternal sail
like the duration of SB?
Yah. :D
modern brook
Yah. :D
most WA sets will have one in them by default
if you want to make your own it should be fairly quick - im pretty sure you can make it w/ details buff uptime - failing that whatever spawns from "make from template" should also be good enough. if you want something more indepth, #ui-addons-manager might be better positioned to answer you
strong forum
It's out. Jakey was the clicker BM hunter
plush tendon
Did someone say oil?
modern brook
jakeys got oil :^)
jagged pier
It's out. Jakey was the clicker BM hunter
clipboard being weird was showing someone that ui
hes not talking to me now
tame jasper
Not exactly a Tauren dance
jagged pier
said i ruined his day
tame jasper
Oil is better than tinfoil these days...
plush tendon
Oil is better than tinfoil these days...
especially at $2.50 a gallon
plush tendon
Ouch
brittle owl
most pumps here are like 2.90+
@jagged pier he already got the pumps
strong forum
The only thing I pump is dps
brittle owl
start burning that oil then
jagged pier
look im on sire i dont care about damage at this point i just want the boss to be dead
wild hemlock
my guilds on council grind 😦
i play ele for that group and its our fourth week and want to cry lmaoo
i cant imagine what deny is like if we make it
modern brook
my guilds on council grind 😦
our group died on council
wild hemlock
my previous guild did
modern brook
not cause of council but because of the reclear to council
wild hemlock
omg id love if i could reclear with a group
wild hemlock
all ive killed is first 2 and progged council
jagged pier
not cause of council but because of the reclear to council
yikes
wild hemlock
i just want the stupid 226 helm
jagged pier
thats why we've extended since we killed council before 9.0.5
plush tendon
its been nearly a month since I've seen a boss die
wild hemlock
only 220 piece left
plush tendon
SLG can go rot in hell
modern brook
We had a really bad night on hungering destroyer of all things
just killed the guilds drive to play
jagged pier
took use a month for council like 2 weeks or somthing for sludge then a month for SLG
jagged pier
F
plush tendon
F in chat
signal plover
We actually opted not to reclear precisely because the middle bosses of the raid are hardly free kills.
signal plover
They're not
signal plover
Not at all, especially when you haven't done em in months
I'm dreading the artificer rekill alrdy lol
And who the fuck knows when 9.1 is actually gonna hit
jagged pier
i did ever week we recleared it because ppl wanted logs
so didnt do mechanics
if they just did mechanics we would kill it
jagged pier
And who the fuck knows when 9.1 is actually gonna hit
long time from now
signal plover
Such wise ;)
signal plover
i did ever week we recleared it because ppl wanted logs
Ya that's why we waiting til after Denny
jagged pier
Ya that's why we waiting til after Denny
same for us
jagged pier
we did once last time on are liek 3 rd night of donny
3 ppl were alive
XD
might get there tonight
strong forum
took use a month for council like 2 weeks or somthing for sludge then a month fo...
A month for Sludge 👀
Ah nvm
2 weeks ye, same here
strong forum
It's not easy if people don't spread
jagged pier
true
strong forum
jagged pier
:peepoRope:
ancient star
Is there a specific amount of haste where it will be worth going ITF/HR or what is the deal
jagged pier
haste isnt the reason u go ITF/HR u do to be defensive in super high keys
strong forum
It's the omega "omg I need to turtle" build
jagged pier
and even then its not much better
ancient star
But we go ravager for the rage-builder and damage I suppose
strong forum
Ye
jagged pier
yes
brittle owl
i sideline cheered my guild on some kills and a few reclears
can honestly say the raid is 100% free
strong forum
Tedious is more accurate
sweet summit
so youre saying youll boost my rogue for free?
strong forum
Rogues in 2021
brittle owl
i can offer you free discord hangout boost during reclears
idk how the rogue will get gear but who cares
wanton condor
poor rogue, getting actually decent covenant leggos is going to make multispeccing it dicey
modern brook
>Rogues in 2021
honestly
modern brook
cause ur eu
brittle owl
or like mario saying "y it's a no"
potent anvil
Angry Toast vs Honestly during BFA mdi. I remember 😞
karmic plinth
for my NF friends - ive been mainly using korayn but would niya actually be better for tyrannical weeks ?
for m+
sweet summit
tyrannical 👏 does 👏 not 👏 mean 👏 go 👏 full 👏 ST 👏
modern brook
👏
sweet summit
infact, there are plenty of bosses where you get great value out of first strike
karmic plinth
i take it the drop off it has on bosses isnt really that big compared to the over all value?
sweet summit
exactly, the dungeon is still primarily AoE heavy
modern brook
You're still fighting a new target every 30s
supple lily
you still fight trash most of the timer
karmic plinth
makes sense ok
potent anvil
If there's ever a dungeon where bosses take a disproportionate amount of more time to clear than trash, then you can go single target.
wild hemlock
ST honestly wouldnt be too bad on something like PF or TOP
sweet summit
you can reliably proc first strike on 3/5 bosses in ToP, id still play korayn there
brittle owl
there's plenty of cleave in top
sweet summit
but PF is fair, i agree with that
modern brook
Also: niya does not bring enough ST to justify its use over first strike just ever in a dungeon settingimo
sweet summit
frankly, thats a skill issue
potent anvil
I understood that reference 
sweet summit
jagged pier
signal plover
jagged pier
paw give me strength for progress tonight 🙏
brittle owl
next copper
I liked sitting in CC until the DR made me immune anyway. ._.
topaz root
so quick question, our tank is basically gone on a vacation and they want me to tank our Mythic Stone general, i wonder what cooldowns od i need to use to survive the pulverize+stonebreaker combo, i assume shieldwall + ignore pain is not enough?
hot pasture
just gquit to save your sanity
topaz root
hmm might have miss understood it else basically they asked me about the combo, but when i read about it all i can think of is the meteor
sweet summit
if its stone fist
topaz root
ok, its basically just the meteor
topaz root
yea this is correct
sweet summit
ya u dont need anything big, just have the raid soak meteor like normal and block the stone fist
topaz root
we usually grip during the intermit phases so its basically only our druid tank soaking those to remove the bleed while the stunned person gets gripped
topaz root
yea
elfin nova
It's like a 400k magic hit
It's possible to live but not easy (or really worth it honestly)
topaz root
our bear have no issues with it, i think its just one cd the bear pops and got no issues
bear things 🤷♂️
sweet summit
well, i dont think thats a good idea as a warrior at least
topaz root
yea i kinda.... dont like that idea, if they want me to try it i might just buy a 1 min pvp trinket for it
elfin nova
Bear is unkillable
You can just pvp trinket it yeah if it's only for first intermission
sweet summit
the only 1 min pvp trinket is badge no?
elfin nova
It's 2 mins yeah but that doesn't matter
We don't clear at all in first intermission and it's fine
elfin nova
Is it reclear or progress?
topaz root
basically progress, our best is 2nd intermit
elfin nova
Yeah but assuming you're boss tank in p1 in might be on cd
topaz root
got a Co DH tank so he will hopefully be on adds
sweet summit
just have the dh take her during intermission??
elfin nova
I haven't ever really thought about the time between crystallizes honestly but they shift in timing depending on when you push so i would buy the 2min on use and just use it manually in intermission
distant crystal
i feel like solo soaking a meteor
elfin nova
If it's progress then there's value in doing the same thing they're used to
distant crystal
has got to be more dmg than just keeping your bleeds until the next phase's meteor
lol
elfin nova
Probably not
It's just one big hit, and reduces bleed stacks + future serrated swipes (which you can't block)
sweet summit
this one i was thinking of
just checked, and the stun is 4 seconds so i doubt that trinket works
topaz root
aw fuck, so need the manual one then
elfin nova
The stun is until the meteor hits
But you have to stand in crystallise in p1
So it might be on cd already
distant crystal
yeah the duration is like indefinite