depends on zone/affixes..but yes there are packs that just Stand N' Bang will get way too spicy, without cashing in the #BLOWEVERYTHING movement.
#protection
fringe marten
fringe marten
Right; that's what we're talking about.
A legit reason to PUSH
Not just "OHH look at my number from a website!"
oh and blizzard will be putting r.io outta' business.
fringe marten
Currently r.io has some kinda' premium thing you 'could' pay for right? Is blizzards implementation of their scoring system going to effect that?
blazing condor
rio provides a lot of information as well as ranks etc about the m+ runs
so as long as blizz dont have that i dont see them declaring bankruptcy
fringe marten
Right; your score in game will just be a number.
jagged pier
yer but its based on tryan and fort weeks
so u have to push
every week
to get high score
blazing condor
fun 🙂
jagged pier
fringe marten
but whatever calculation blizz uses, R.io will have to match. According to them blizz approached them and wants to use a similar scoring system so?
jagged pier
yer blizz do apprently
but its not gunna fix anything
because the ppl that complain about not getting into keys because of rio will now not get into keys because of bliz score
XD
so blizz just bringing more hate on themselves
fringe marten
Well..? Honestly I wonder how many people out there who refuse to use r.io addon, don't know it exists...are going to want to try and 'learn' how to push upward in M+ now?
fringe marten
Blizzard officially supporting something honestly DOES get a LOT more people involved.
jagged pier
or mmo champion or reddit
fringe marten
That's what I expected.
jagged pier
loads of threads talking about how rio is toxic
blazing condor
"what do you mean i cant do a +15 when i have never stepped foot in this dungeon outside of HC????"
fringe marten
Fuck outta' here...it's nothing different than any other measuring metric that's been in the game ever.
DPS meters? PVP ranking? Gear score? ilevel?
blazing condor
omg raiding is toxic because i cant join mythic raids with 190 ilvl
jagged pier
proving grounds was an eye opener for me so many ppl couldnt do silver it was rediculous
so many ppl couldnt enter hc dungeons
fringe marten
it's just another metric to try and 'judge' someone you know nothing about..that's all ANY of those metrics are.
fringe marten
Jakey no lie dude..sometimes I use that as the difference in who I'll take in a group.
blazing condor
🤔
fringe marten
if they have gold proving grounds..vs someone who never did it.
jagged pier
well alot of ppl now have join after they were a thing
fringe marten
LEGIT a high % of the time, people who have gold proving grounds...are often fairly solid players.
fringe marten
Because it means 2 things...they've been around since then, or they CARED enough to just GO do it.
jagged pier
well not current but when it was still challenging
jagged pier
Because it means 2 things...they've been around since then, or they CARED enough...
true i guess
fringe marten
Really..look at it sometime.
peopel who app to your group
the well geared, mythic raiders..high io people...often have gold proving grounds.
they're OG, or they cared enough to go do it..because it was another 'metric' to conquer.
Just like brawl pub.
But yeah; when blizz puts in r.io whatever that dungeon score thing is; will become a new standard for groups.
"Normal Chains of domination raid ...guild prog..must have 1300 dungeonscore"
"AOTC CoD heroic...1500 DS ONLY!!!"
you wait..it's comin'.
jagged pier
yer it will become the new standard and they same ppl will complain about it
fringe marten
^^
jagged pier
because they still cant get into groups
jagged pier
becuase they refuse to build up the score
fringe marten
selling 15 carries for a mount is one thing
but when the new AOTC is that dungeon number..now we get to sell NEW carries.
and it's 'standardized' so everyone wants it.
strong forum
There are even people who refuse to use dmg meters
Cuz they look bad on it
Which is fine
fringe marten
But like...you're just putting blinders on yourself. That's hilarious.
strong forum
Not everybody plays the game the same way or remotely similar goals
jagged pier
yer thats true
fringe marten
"I don't want to see how much I fail" but then when people flame you for it? "You're toxic!"
Nom; that much I totally get..I do.
jagged pier
but if they then comaplain they cant getting into a 15 because they refuse to play the game it makes you think
strong forum
Yeah that's then the stupid part on them
fringe marten
However the goals aren't THAT different. That's the problem..at some point these deepcashuls want aotc, or a mount from it..or a xmog, or a trinket..
so they want to join heroic raid pugs, or whatever..then they dumpstered; called out..and blame the 'community' for being toxic.
If YOU want a prize that's reserved for being 'kinda' ok' at the game...then you gotta become kinda' ok~
strong forum
Just like the famous guy that flamed on the forums for nto getting mythic raid ilvl from World quests, they pay the same money!!
Or the guy complaining World quests are too hard as a clicker
Or the guy complaining that m0 is too hard
fringe marten
Nom..don't hate on the clickers! LOL
fringe marten
I met a group of people pugging M+ one night, they were all very solid players..the hunter was excellent dps. I had joined their discord and was chatting with them..and he was discord streaming his ? torghast run on his warrior alt.
I decided to check it out..
Dude had this HUGE bright sparkly cursor and was FURIOUS clicking
fringe marten
like the little sparkly cursor trail was flying all over the screen and he was just mad clicking.
but he was still playing ok..my brain melted.
strong forum
Like, I get being a clicker if you're new
strong forum
I was a clicker for a few months back in tbc when I started the game
Maybe not months
Idk
I was 12
I used 123 and the rest I clicked
fringe marten
He was an obviously smart guy talking to him, knowledgable about the game..then I watched him play and I was "YOU CLICK?!?! But..WH....? Why would..? HOW..WHYYYY????"
jagged pier
i was a clicker for years tbh and then i decided to take the game seriously it was a long fight to get to pressing buttons
strong forum
I just saw somewhere that people don't click
And then just forced myself into it
Back when the Internet was a new place! And nobody had shiny stuff or good PCs
👴
fringe marten
I had played previous mmo's so I was familiar with keybinding for efficiency (somewhat) when I started wow. and then over years honed shit down..then discovered the alt/control modifier stuff and macro building...then came weak auras..
HI MY NAME IS DADUGAN..and..I'm an efficiency addict..
to the point where I'm not sure if it's efficient any more; or if I'm just now trying to just script my own custom weak auras because..I wanna..?
Is this a sickness?
fringe marten
...oh it's 'FUN' now is it?
fringe marten
Tell me how much funtimes you had customizing your Plater loadout..or OmniCD
How much funsies has your weak auras been?
strong forum
Plater I just got nnoggies profile
Omnicd I didn't touch
My UI was very fun to do tho
fringe marten
I like omnicd quite a bit actually.
outer bronze
on mythic sire do you spell reflect the last hit of the shattering pain or can you cast it as the combo starts?
in p3
outer bronze
sweet, thanks
fringe marten
Also don't forget to spell reflect when you taunt him to go through mirror
when he shadowsteps and backstabs you, part of that is magic damage.
fringe marten
in fact I do like pain..gonna' go play some more Returnal.
Let's talk about some real shit though..
I want to get a new chair; anyone rocking something they found really good?
All this ..lockdown/stimulus money and I can't get a video card so? fuck it..may as well care about my physical health for WHATEVER reason.
honest plinth
Fixing WAs and changing UI is fun
oh i did it after my game crushed and i had 2 month old back up haha
fringe marten
(thanks for reminding me, need to backup my folder. I had a HD crash and had to rebuild all my own WA's and settings again)
jagged pier
cheers man
past grove
He was an obviously smart guy talking to him, knowledgable about the game..then ...
We had a pally tank who was a clicker... He also played nameplates off in keys like a madman.
Good tank though...
Guy parses 95+ on everything he plays
brittle owl
good tank and clicker in the same sentence 
past grove
I still don't understand it..
brittle owl
was he like a pro sc player too?
honest plinth
95+ parses in mythic raid you mean?
brittle owl
using wow to train mouse apm lmao
brittle owl
parsing 95+ in mythic on most tanks is a basic rotation check more often than not
honest plinth
i mean he said on everything he plays
past grove
95+ on his dps classes as well
honest plinth
well its impressive for clicker for sure
past grove
It's like in Rocket League, 99% of the top ranks play controller as you just have better control but it is still possible to get there with keyboard/mouse, would just be better with controller
jagged pier
getting out of clicking is difficult bh
and most ppl do it wrong they try and keybind everything
fresh belfry
???
jagged pier
i started with 1 spell
and worked my way out
and i still find my eyes on occasion going to the bottom of the screen
brittle owl
getting out of clicking is difficult bh
i never got this tbh. i transitioned from clicking to almost full keybinds during vanilla leveling
fresh belfry
and i still find my eyes on occasion going to the bottom of the screen
should go with just hiding your actionbars
brittle owl
it was completely apparent and obvious to me that the game is meant to be played with keybinds
honest plinth
and i still find my eyes on occasion going to the bottom of the screen
thats me when im leveling new alt hah
brittle owl
now, looking at your bars is something entirely different
that's a habit that is indeed hard to get out of
because you have it engrained from other games as well
jagged pier
nah you can look at your bars thats fine but the difference is if u keybind u just glance to check stuff
clickers will focus on the bars
and not the char
so miss stuff
jagged pier
ewwww
honest plinth
i have one for class buffs
jagged pier
look all i said was its hard for some people to break the habit with me of an example
jagged pier
some ppl find it easy
brittle owl
perma click em
jagged pier
some dont
brittle owl
buttons everywhere, just clicking em
jagged pier
but it works for me
honest plinth
and like have a stack of buttons somewhere on your screen
you dont need was for that just move yuor bar hahaha
brittle owl
i feel like you don't know the vid i'm reffering to
honest plinth
ye idk
but i mean
you dont need was if you want click
just make 10 bars
and move them where yo uwant to
scale them as you wish also
but its weird ofc haha
ionic fern
Mythic + talents: If you are not running Reprisal/Seismic then use Booming Voice.
jagged pier
Mythic + talents: If you are not running Reprisal/Seismic then use Booming Voic...
yes this is what we need
brittle owl
what a beautifully brown chart
brittle owl
it's like a fine leather chesterfield couch
jagged pier
Mythic + talents: If you are not running Reprisal/Seismic then use Booming Voic...
can u put on there u prio ilvl over stats somewhere?
honest plinth
🙂
fringe marten
BSC bettter than booming in M+ regardless of legendary; or because of reprisal?
jagged pier
i u arent running reprisal
u run Bv
but BSC will still do damage without reprisal
depends if u need the rage for BV tbh
strong forum
and like have a stack of buttons somewhere on your screen
That hunter from bfa?
ionic fern
strong forum
Okay but about HR mwahi
ionic fern
No.
strong forum
jagged pier
blazing condor
ITF/HR was born so that IP could be used
honest plinth
ooooh my
jagged pier
ITF/HR was born so that IP could be used
honest plinth
bfa 😦
blazing condor
bfa 🙂
honest plinth
i want to play bfa
jagged pier
get out
blazing condor
do your islands
honest plinth
i hate islands
ionic fern
Mythic + talents: If you are not running Reprisal/Seismic then use Booming Voice.
brittle owl
bfa 🤮
ionic fern
Final time now i promise.
honest plinth
my vop major
honest plinth
my tc
brittle owl
though ngl
blazing condor
misspelled legendaries lol
honest plinth
hahah
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> you misspelled simp under necro
Ngl i had that for 90% of the time..just changed it before uploading.
<- polite.
honest plinth
👍
brittle owl
@strong forum @honest plinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv89vt6k5g8
found the dude with the wa
and the mad clicks
brittle owl
honestly it's so glorious i don't even care anymore if they're wa's or some other shit 
jagged pier
see this is where u see the issues hes dying a few times cause hes looking at his spells and not realising whats going on, and ither doesnt click a cd or cant find it/ is to slow
honest plinth
and the strange thing is he topped meters haha
jagged pier
well thats just bm in bfa
honest plinth
their overall is low tbh
jagged pier
unlisted and comments turned off 🤔
honest plinth
for some reason hahahaaah
strong forum
spells have tooltips
You can setup wa's to be clickable and show tooltip
honest plinth
its just looks like discord action bar or something like that to me
looks like bar
anyway its weird so
brittle owl
PEAK gameplay
jagged pier
so
honest plinth
he died like few times coz couldnt click personal cds in time
too bad for him
ye i cant even imagine im playing in in my 23-24s like that haha/ damn even in 20s
its like ultra challenge idk
hunter kick next
oh sorry missCLICKED
hahahah
jagged pier
well thats the thing right its jsut a bit slow to inturpt and use defesives etc
jagged pier
strong forum
@ionic fern okaythen3.jpg
brittle owl
it's 5
brittle owl
have you tried putting it in rice
orchid frigate
lol they now have cardboard assasin on TR
orchid frigate
"weekly no leaver 1 spot LF cardboard assasin"
jagged pier
every one should have it as u can change them
for 20 secs of aggro
as they dont die
the trees
then earth ele
fathom spindle
Alright, need some help here lads, with the vault 🙂
First thought is Stitchflesh ring, 226 (got a 220).
But we got the Shriekwing 226 boots in here, i got the 213 version, although they're easy to get, so i guess it's a no no.
Otherwise i have Vers/mastery belt 226, but i rather farm the Haste/vers from DoS.
So my instinct tells me to go for the ring.
jade tartan
Guys, is it me or Ravager snap threat is quite low?
ionic fern
Guys, is it me or Ravager snap threat is quite low?
Ravager alone is "okay" at best. The rage it provides lets you spam Revenges which in turn leads to more threat.
orchid frigate
speaking of threat, been dabbling with fury a bit in keys and is there something broken with some kind of threat modifier for fury? happens so many times that i pull aggro without even high burst
jade tartan
I see. So we're basically doing:
Offensive: Ravager + AM
Defensive: Into the Fray + HR
Correct?
Also, I've KSMed as Prot Pala a long time ago, and now shifting to the War. The dungeon I feel I'm having more trouble with is Halls of Atonement , you guys feel the same?
Maybe I need to adapt some of the pulls / route but, the amount of magic damage on those Shard pulls is making it hard
fathom spindle
DoS is the worst If you ask me, solely for the first two pulls alone
jade tartan
Even with Aftershock's control
strong forum
Kick casts
jade tartan
Yea, it used to be on my Pala as well. I normally ran Final Stand (AoE Taunt on Divine Shield) for that second pull alone
fathom spindle
Treants helps alot 🙂
jade tartan
The siphon life cast is on a random target correct?
fathom spindle
Aye
strong forum
And just use your CDs there, bears you obv kite on high stacks or use kyrian phial
Or spear to kite and reset stacks
jade tartan
My route has a Pride spawning before every pull of those 4
Yea, having no problem with Gargons
jagged pier
First thought is Stitchflesh ring, 226 (got a 220).
But we got the Shriekwing 2...
id go for boots or belt bigger upgrade than ring
jagged pier
Guys, is it me or Ravager snap threat is quite low?
its not there for snap aggro you should put it down before charging ideally and that will give u threat so if a range hits a mob far away for some reason u will have aggro on it already
jade tartan
Yea, I mean the threat gen is very low tho
jagged pier
Maybe I need to adapt some of the pulls / route but, the amount of magic damage ...
yer HoA is a bit ropey i tend to blue the casts before the shard apart from on the third one just pull them with something else
jade tartan
I normally even align Ravager to be cast with Avatar, and even there, it is quite low
The rage gen is the catch
jagged pier
i dunno a rav into a revenge from reprisal seems fine for me
jade tartan
Yea, as soon as a Revenge! is cast problem is gone
jade tartan
Or Revenge > TC with Show of Force?
strong forum
Tc first cuz it hits 360
Not just infront of you
Easier to pick up the initial aggro
jagged pier
☝️
jade tartan
Correct
strong forum
Unless everything is infront ofc, then you can revenge first
strong forum
Not on pull, the arc of revenge isn't big enough most of times
gusty saffron
Hello guys, im thinking on give prot warrior a try (never played tank before) and i got some doubts... I have read that its not good doing "dps" and it makes it just bad when you want to do high keys, its that true? I understand that to be "top" you need to follow meta, but its possible to push with warrior on lfg?
strong forum
So the mobs to the left and right, or farther behind don't get hit
jade tartan
Not on pull, the arc of revenge isn't big enough most of times
I know what you mean, sometimes the "cleave" is indeed tricky
strong forum
Hello guys, im thinking on give prot warrior a try (never played tank before) an...
Pwars are doing 25/26s when vdh is doing 25/26/27
So you're moooore than Gucci
brittle owl
who said that warr is bad for high keys though
strong forum
And pwar does just as good dmg as any other tank in regular settings
brittle owl
is this a new reddit meme
gusty saffron
I read it on tier list/guides (Prob youtube not sure=
strong forum
#1
gusty saffron
I mean, i never tanked before that what im asking
strong forum
Don't read tierlists or watch YouTube for class ideas and the "state of X"
brittle owl
like the only tanks you'd be iffy on for high keys would be prot paladin and bdk, but even those are doable (albeit with alot more kiting than the others)
jagged pier
well you can watch plka or senses youtube
plka actually has a good starter guide
thats a good place to start
@gusty saffron
gusty saffron
That is nice, im goona take a look of it
lavish oracle
Ppals are doing alright in high keys, there's a few in top 20
Bout as well as pwar
gusty saffron
Its not about top, i mean, its much easier push a 20 with a team that a 18 with randoms
gusty saffron
I mean, iwas thinking on people refusing to take a warrior
lavish oracle
Nah
jagged pier
as someone whose pugged to 19s and some 20s u dont get refused
lavish oracle
People are just desperate for tanks, mostly
The people who wouldn't invite a pwar, wouldn't invite anything other than a vdh
And usually those players are uh
Bad
jagged pier
you know ppl are bad when they have 'VDH tank' in the group finder
gusty saffron
I should say that when i started, people said me that warrior was just too bad/diff(difficult) and i didnt take warriors
jagged pier
and then u do a key and they are still looking for that tank
gusty saffron
But i think its cause warrior its "bad" on early with no stats
lavish oracle
I dunno, got KSM in pugs before reprisal came out, even when people were trashing prot warrior they were still taking them
ionic fern
Just play what you want - this is the best advice for 99% of the playerbase.
The "meta" is usually ahead of the rest by like 1-3 key levels at the high end and the majority of players won't get there regardless. 🙂
jagged pier
I should say that when i started, people said me that warrior was just too bad/d...
thats because at the start of SL prot changed a lot and ppl didnt know how to play it and thought it was the same as bfa prot, so there were a lot of bad prots out there that didnt understand what they were doing and gave a bad name to the community
brittle owl
greatest irony is that people flocked to vdh because it was the closest tank to bfa pwarr in terms of cd flow (big cd up for every pack)
jagged pier
alot of those ppl have now gone VDH and the ppl that play prot more and in general are better are the ones left and showing that prot is actually very goodf
brittle owl
even though it prob isn't the optimal tank in the grand scheme of things for high key pushing
gusty saffron
Really thanks guys 😄
ionic fern
- the best part about playing "non-meta" tanks is the "Holy cr*p..i diddn't know Prot Warriors are so good" at the end of the key.
jagged pier
☝️
brittle owl
people being this clueless make me sad personally
ionic fern
++
brittle owl
not just about pwarr, but other classes/specs in general
ionic fern
They watch a YT tierlist and BAM - decision made.
brittle owl
ermagerd you're not a paper pally/bdk/whatever people construe as being "UnViAbLe"
copy/paste for dps and healers as well
ionic fern
Jeah. 😦
jade tartan
Also guys, if you intervene through a group of mobs, you get back melee hits sometimes don't you?
lavish oracle
Bdk does seem to be in kinda a bad spot right now because of its abysmally low damage
I mean, it can push 20s
jagged pier
depends if u out range them / where their swing timer is in the time @jade tartan
but in practice dont intervene through mobs
jade tartan
Okok
brittle owl
yeah bdk damage is depressingly bad
novel dune
Do you guys think the new leggo will make venthyr prot more desireable/useful?
brittle owl
it's a very hard definite maybe
blazing condor
more useful but not enough to warrant playing it
ionic fern
Do you guys think the new leggo will make venthyr prot more desireable/useful?
Not in its current iteration.
ionic fern
👀
novel dune
Eh
I kinda wanna go necro for fury/prot
But it seems that id be better off going NF
brittle owl
necro prot 🤮
ionic fern
^
novel dune
I mean its not that bad is it
waxen cradle
Being a buff boy feels bad especially if doing M+ in pugs
That and I get far too much use out of Kyrian and Fae
brittle owl
it's just
idk man when you wanna play a tank you wanna be a beefy independant motherfucker
not a buff boye
ionic fern
Necro was the biggest wasted opportunity as a Covenant. 🤷
strong forum
Just like nightfae Paladin
ionic fern
War mongering necrolords - LETS MAKE THEM BUFF EVERYONE
brittle owl
or necro vdh
waxen cradle
Yeah especially given how Necrolords are the army of SLands
brittle owl
would've made sense if they went the buff boi route to give a beefy shout on a short cd
ionic fern
Give me a banner that makes me go mega berserk mode and reduce the rage cost of Revenge or some crap.
waxen cradle
^^^
still pagoda
thats because at the start of SL prot changed a lot and ppl didnt know how to pl...
Not really a lot, just that all tanks were nerfed a lot at the start and people still did braindead moves, but now with pure punishment for them
brittle owl
thats very italic
waxen cradle
They tried to play out the whole undead theme of necrolord too much, which undead/slands I get it I really do, but go full throttle with that theme for DK's which makes sense, but not for warriors
brittle owl
they're not even undead
blazing condor
any big-brainer who can explain why people opt to BL the last boss in NW and not third?. Since you usually only have 4 people on the platform it feels like a waste
brittle owl
they're an edgy tim burton troupe
jagged pier
well u bl the start where everyone is on the platform and usually u dont get full use of bl on 3rd boiss as dies to quick
waxen cradle
I dont ever lust there, I use a spear there because as you said at best 4 people get the effective use of lust there, and 2 of them are the tank and healer
blazing condor
i havent ran the timers but do you get use of the BL before the first Dark Exile?
jagged pier
i usually do
blazing condor
Yeah when i do it we usually just BL third and spear last
feels way more valuable
but then again seeing top pushing teams not do that strat makes you fink
waxen cradle
yeah that is true, I run NW 2 ways, either lust 3rd spear 4th or spear 3rd, lust 4th
blazing condor
it feels like you get more effective damage from spear as well
but i have nothing to back that claim up
waxen cradle
yeah true, but also as I have to pug more than I like so I also base which strat I use on group comp, and the affix combo for the week
ionic fern
I run NW only one way - deplete on the 2nd boss.
blazing condor
People usually pop BL and use all cds on the first pack of ads
then have nothing for second
I pretty much only pug
and im only doing 19/20s
so it might be totally int at higher keys idrk
waxen cradle
I make people save a spear for boss 2 if they do not I leave
either that or the orb
blazing condor
yeah
TIL you can just stun the mobs before the harvest goes off and they wont kill you
but then again you still have the ads shitting on you
waxen cradle
yeah my experience in pugs is its better to just kill them, some groups have the coordination to CC one and kill the rest but not many
uneven river
Gonna be trialing to replace mythic raid tank as prot next week ready for 9.1 any good vids for prot tank how it currently is for raid ?
ionic fern
👀
It's as good as you play it.
You're welcome.
Do you have any more specific questions?:D
dusk moat
He asked for helpful videos.
uneven river
Just looking for good pov vids for prot mostly if you know of any. Assuming the wall is still primary raid lego ?
strong forum
Reprisal/wall
And nobody does raid specific videos besides "first kill vids"
Especially tanking
Since raid tanking is basically "figure out your positioning and tank swaps"
Aand that's about it
Rotation and everything you should know by just playing the game
brittle owl
smh just say sense lmao
strong forum
And generally just feelycraft "do I need and external here, or do I use shieldwall/ls here and there"
dusk moat
YouTube’n Mythic CN Prot War POV came up with a bunch of results, even without commentary you can watch how they play.
strong forum
I have 1 vid up!
But it's giga old clip of huntsman and just a bunch of people talking nonsense
uneven river
Lol aight I'll just check youtube later cheers boys
fresh belfry
if you wanna know how to tank specific bosses it shouldnt really matter what class you are watching and youll find an infinite number of veng DH videos
if you wanna know how to play warrior you will much likely learn more from logs
jagged pier
you can only learn from logs if u know how to read them
brittle owl
@uneven river look for sense - nurfed
strong forum
The thing you'll learn from my vid is "damn this dudes jumps an obscene amount"
fresh belfry
cant happen to me i played caster for 14 years
i can pick the "you cant jump anymore" power in torghast
and dont even notice
strong forum
If you're not jumping 24/8 what are you doing
jagged pier
☝️
signal plover
Ur a banger
strong forum
signal plover
waxen cradle
I used to play Nelf so I would see how many jump flips I could do in a row because as we all know how many times you can jump in a minute is a metric for skill
signal plover
Damn
I think 5 for me
I played NE all the way through Ulduar cuz I didn't know any better.
waxen cradle
When I want to be a real try hard I turn on the old Kriss Kross song "jump" and go ham... because I am pro like that, sometimes in raid also because what better time
jagged pier
is warrior viable now in pve?
it always has been
ionic fern
Should just make a bot that deletes the word "viable".
shy cobalt
What alliance race do most prot warriors go now?
jagged pier
What alliance race do most prot warriors go now?
dwarf or your inting
jagged pier
Should just make a bot that deletes the word "viable".
yes please do that
ionic fern
And jeah..Dwarf is a solid alliance option. Generally your race won't matter tho so pick what ever you like the most. 🙂
atomic monolith
when i quit wow there was no competing vs demon huntards
jagged pier
i mean there was just community didnt want to listen
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
Okay then, lets do this.
What do you define as "viable" in this scenario?
ionic fern
Mythic raiding? Check.
Mythic + ? Check.
Solo content? Check.
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
We could do all that. 🙂
ionic fern
o.o
jagged pier
atomic monolith
they mitigated and self ehaled way more
waxen cradle
What made people in my opinion go DH at the start of this expac is due to the fact that it was as tanks are concerned the path of least resistance or simply much less likely for them to fail at if not a greater level of effort was put in
atomic monolith
its a viable tatic
jagged pier
but u just said they healed and mitigated
atomic monolith
yes and?
delicate gyro
What’s the best Covent for a prot war I will be mainly doing M+
jagged pier
signal plover
Not worth arguing with clowns lads
ionic fern
Kinda pointless argument...we were able to do everything.
We just got a bad "reputation" due to Streamers/YT videos saying that we are bad - which was not true. 🙂
atomic monolith
whos this shit head insuting me
signal plover
Bai bai
atomic monolith
while im having a conversation
jagged pier
Not worth arguing with clowns lads
now im a shiny boy probably shouldnt u are correct
signal plover
Shiny and true
atomic monolith
already blocked that rude kid
waxen cradle
Could warrior tanks complete the same level of content DH's could of course they could, but it took more effort from themselves and possibly others, and unfortunately at least in the wow community a lot of people gravitate towards what requires less effort
jagged pier
☝️
atomic monolith
yeah but didnt he heal back to full in a global?
jagged pier
and i dont take damage
warrior isnt built around healing
if u want to heal as a tank play somthing else
rough girder
Prot Warrior is about stopping damage not healing damage
lofty widget
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt/isnt DH strong cause of their ranged threat gen? not so much tankiness
jagged pier
if you play warrior correctly u take no damage
jagged pier
our whole tool kit is to prevent damage
atomic monolith
have a good day
ionic fern
Bye.
signal plover
Bai bai
rough girder
Bye
lofty widget
byee
rough girder
Bet he’s back in 5 mins “YEAH BUT VDH IS BETTER”
waxen cradle
Okay guys all this bye bye crap is about to get boy band songs stuck in my head please no more
rough girder
Lost causes... see what the top .5% are doing and think it applies to the other 99.5% of players
jagged pier
i mean prots now competing with dh in pushing keys
atomic monolith
bunch of spoiled little kids that jump to insult when proven wrong
so sad to see a comi«unity like this
signal plover
"Proven wrong"
rough girder
😂 thought you left
brittle owl
jagged pier
youve given use no proof
jagged pier
your just giving anecdotal evidence
rough girder
Bet he’s back in 5 mins “YEAH BUT VDH IS BETTER”
Wasn’t even 2 minutes
signal plover
Outdated anectodal evidence
jagged pier
☝️
prisma bear
what did he expect
jagged pier
i was trying to figure out where he got we were bad from
prisma bear
coming into warrior discord not having played warrior and talking
rough girder
On a completely unrelated note... doing keys on my Prot Warrior is so much fun, looked at a log and got a 94% parse for damage at the key level and 75% mitigated damage - I wanna see how high I can get it haha
My healer I usually run with on VDH said “please stick to Prot from now on” 😂
rough girder
78% that’s JUICY
fresh belfry
Could warrior tanks complete the same level of content DH's could of course they...
which is perfectly legitimate to pick the option that makes it easiest if your goal is to be as efficient as possible
brittle owl
you get bonus points if you figure out how
jagged pier
i was lazy in positioning so was hit in the back
jagged pier
quality of stormforged has clearly dropped
rough girder
I was thinking about HR and Bolster - I really like the idea of those but, never really swayed from AM
jagged pier
AM with reprisal is nutty
waxen cradle
@fresh belfry that is true but were not discussing efficient we were talking about if we were viable as the community at the start of SLands thought incorrectly we were not
rough girder
I like the idea of Bolster especially for the first big pull of DoS but reprisal and AM serving me well there
jagged pier
and u can pump
fresh belfry
yeah but your argument doesnt really apply to that, its a little off
jagged pier
I like the idea of Bolster especially for the first big pull of DoS but reprisal...
HR actually does more for u in dungeons than bolster with reprisal, as it gives more block consistantly
and more block over a dungeon tbh
rough girder
I might play around with HR and give it a try
jagged pier
HR build is nutty in mitigation
rough girder
I’ve always liked the idea of it
brittle owl
stop dodgin jakey boy, how do i get 100% blocked attacks with one hand
rough girder
Loose DPS...... I’m out 🙄😂
fierce field
because reprisal charge + HR goes straight to 5 seconds since you're often have the shield slam avail?
rough girder
I like seeing big numbers 😂
jagged pier
stop dodgin jakey boy, how do i get 100% blocked attacks with one hand
bind everything on mouse now u gaming with 1 hand ez
rough girder
I was messing around - I’m not that fussed about damage, I just like surviving 🙂
waxen cradle
the only issue I have in DoS is not being NFae and my interrupt being down as I have already interrupted on the second pack at entrance to hakkars area and being like oh well time to run away, and hope the dps are not stupid
fierce field
every DOS run smooths out after that second platform
waxen cradle
yep exactly
fresh belfry
just skip 2nd platform or
waxen cradle
I do too but I always get dps who are kind of ignorant to what kiting is and get themselves deleted by casts and act like I am the dumb one. I mean its just that one pack but it is annoying to watch
jagged pier
the amount of dps i see in like 18s and 19s that get hit by the knock back makes me sad
brittle owl
jagged pier
you just take 1 melee
waxen cradle
@jagged pier EXACTLY
solid cairn
don't take melee
just take range
cause the melee are dumb and most of the time they are in a postion where you can't intervene them
strong forum
Just wanna add, my cotank was vdh all tier and I was much tankier on every boss except hungering and inerva
But hey
Pwar BAAAAAD
Vdh heeeel
jagged pier
he left Nome
jagged pier
XD
mild lintel
I have a Tanking Question that really means a lot to me:
Which class is honestly beefier?
Prot Warr
Or
Prot Pally?
strong forum
War
jagged pier
war
strong forum
Without a question
jagged pier
a paladin with SoTR up has like less armour that a warrior has passivly
mild lintel
How come warr > pal in that sense
sick sentinel
Currently tanking around M+6/+7. Vault upgrade boots 197 queensguard sabotons ->213 sabatons of the rushing juggernaut, or 194 Gorewrought Shortsword -> 210 Axe of the Deadgrove? Both cases +16 ilvl but weapon has haste and +dps ofc... OTOH, 213 is nice since I have to do a +7 for that (currently what i did highest). Opinions?
jagged pier
i promise guys vanguard isnt busted
waxen cradle
We are as tanks 🚪
jagged pier
🚪
waxen cradle
We are like that old Gandolf fucker yelling you shall not pass
strong forum
How come warr > pal in that sense
Cuz pally is just squishy, they can perfectly tank all content just like every tank, but if you want to be and feel beefy, pwar is your choice
Or guardian druid
mild lintel
Thanks!
sick sentinel
funny how pwar went from nah to yay (reprisal and other buffs)
strong forum
They were always yay in my book
jagged pier
it was yay before
strong forum
I could do 4k overalls before reprisal and had close to 80% block uptime
Just gotta be better
sick sentinel
yeah I got lucky, leveled my monk first so by the time it was 60 tanking time we were buffed
mild lintel
What major reasons would someone play a prot Paladin over a prot Warrior?
jagged pier
damage
fresh belfry
dps
strong forum
Because they enjoy playing paladin, doing stupid amounts of ST dmg
And the heals they can provide to party members
waxen cradle
Jakey every time you post something your avatar being heroic strike makes me wanna do listen to memories
fierce field
fancy being pink
sick sentinel
Currently tanking around M+6/+7. Vault upgrade boots 197 queensguard sabotons ->...
thoughts?
strong forum
Sure
jagged pier
Jakey every time you post something your avatar being heroic strike makes me wan...
i miss heroic strike, could have got it back instead of WW
jagged pier
^^
mild lintel
So a prot Paladin does a lot more damage then a prot Warrior
Prot warr is more beefy
Prot pally can heal tho
Is there any other differences?
waxen cradle
@jagged pier exactly, and just think it would have gotten used lol
strong forum
Only in single target a Paladin does stupid amounts of dmg, but is less tanky
sick sentinel
ty tanks!
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> exactly, and just think it would have gotten used lol
yer it would have
floral pewter
What major reasons would someone play a prot Paladin over a prot Warrior?
Being able to solo carry interrupts
strong forum
Pally can interrupt alot more ye
jagged pier
they each have their ups and downs
fresh belfry
prot paladin basically removes the tank mechanic from xymoxx entirely for example
which is cool
floral pewter
Maybe it's just because I don't run Bulwark, but my paladin doesn't actually do much more damage than my war
waxen cradle
The amount of times SR has saved my life is ridiculous
mild lintel
Gotcha, is there any other consistent differences?
Because I’ve been really struggling to pick a main between the two
fresh belfry
yeah paladin gets smashed in the face really hard
floral pewter
Paladin tanking is simpler imo
fresh belfry
warrior laughs at physical damage tho
floral pewter
Not simpler overall, but the actual act of getting aggro and keeping mitigation up
fresh belfry
Paladin tanking is simpler imo
kinda disagreee on this
brittle owl
i mean, aggro is a non issue on protadin
you literally smack shit into oblivion
make your dps cry
waxen cradle
Protadin if not managing SoTR for big spikes of melee can leave you licking the floor
fresh belfry
timining and planing your major CDs other than keeping SoR up and making effektive use of WoD isnt trivial imho
brittle owl
^
relying on just sotr is the biggest trap
thinking it's like shield block
forgetting cons is also a common trap
not using the full breadth of the kit thinking "you're the support tank" is another trap
waxen cradle
Not saying just SoTR, but thinking that for big spikes of predictable melee is something that will kill you fast
brittle owl
fall into a trap and you go splat! real quick
fresh belfry
SoTR has 100% uptime these days anyway its a maintanance buff not really your active mitigation
mild lintel
Well as a tank, I want to be really good at protecting others,
& I want to be very beefy overall,
But I don’t really want to heal, I’m not really a healer type player.
I’m not good at micro managing others only leading a group
fresh belfry
Well as a tank, i wanna smash dps
floral pewter
Sounds like you will enjoy warrior more
fresh belfry
tbh
strong forum
Same notjd
mild lintel
@strong forum what do you think cuz I liked your advice earlier too
fresh belfry
I must say that prot paladin with PI in ashen hallow during bloodlust with mad paragon
is hella fun
floral pewter
Part of pal's value is offhealing and blessings and stuff, so you sorta need to think like a healer at times
fresh belfry
everyone should try it at some point
waxen cradle
But of course cons, and WoD is important, I was more talking about accurately managing CD's rotational abilities such as SoR, Cons, WoD, cd's and what not
strong forum
Well if you don't wanna heal, pwar is your choice. Both tanks are rewarding and pally can be overwhelming at first cuz of so many CDs
mild lintel
So you think warr makes more sense for me?
mild lintel
I don’t want to tank worrying about 4 other health bars & cleanses honestly
strong forum
Then pally is not for you, often times that's where you can shine
waxen cradle
I like a proactive tank myself so if that makes me biased so be it
floral pewter
Dispelling and healing others in clutch moments
Yep, this is also why most rets suck, lol
strong forum
So you think warr makes more sense for me?
Honestly, just look at the playstyle and play whatever seems for more fun to you
mild lintel
Well if I was prot & not ret I’d probably be the same way so they might say I suck
strong forum
"this looks fun" or "this looks boring" is the best way to determine what you wanna do
brittle owl
Dispelling and healing others in clutch moments
lmao imagine wasting globals on other people
mild lintel
And I wouldn’t blame them, I don’t wanna watch hp bars like a healer does
strong forum
I heal with my vulpera vial
fresh belfry
uhm
brittle owl
all my blessings and buffs are selfcast
fierce field
imagine being a vulpera 😉
strong forum
Yeah only big dick people play vulpera
fresh belfry
at least if you wanna improve at playing the game
waxen cradle
Ultimately try both if you have the time, and "feel" it out for yourself, the best we can do is give opinions, but its up to you to decide what you like the most
fierce field
I actually started both my monk and my warrior as vulpera, switched away for the same reason... hate drowning in ankle deep water.
mild lintel
is it bad that I time 18s then cuz I only look at my hp, healz mana, & I’m doing mythic raiding & 19s now lol
sick sentinel
when I Intervene for reprisal block I pick the healer or someone with a low heathbar
mild lintel
But I play casually like very casually so I’m not trying to get better, I just feel really lost on what I want to main
jagged pier
☝️
jagged pier
its usually me
making the mistake
or in a raid not receiving a hot or a heal for over 10 seconds
fresh belfry
intervevne is such a strong tool with the conduit
jagged pier
which does happen
fierce field
well, casual or not you should always try to get better... but if you just want to focus on 'you' then the warrior seems like the right choice.
fresh belfry
and commanding shout with the conduit
also yeah if your group drops low you should know you cant expect a lot of heal in the next seconds
mild lintel
Gotcha, I don’t really wanna go past 20 because, I feel like I have to learn what the enemies do more than focusing on my university:(
I like not having to know what everything does
fresh belfry
jagged pier
strong forum
And you wanna tank?
fresh belfry
so youre not paying attention to the game because you simultaniously read a book about thermodynamics
strong forum
fresh belfry
respectable
mild lintel
I only play tank
strong forum
A tank has to know everything
How do you do anything
It's the role that needs to know the most, especially in m+
mild lintel
Me? I’m working on 19s right now so I’m only like 1500 io
strong forum
In raiding okay not so much if you're just tanking
Even in 19s
You should know what's going on
jagged pier
☝️
waxen cradle
After enough years of WoW, and tanking you will learn what everything does, and if something goes wrong you will know instantly if it was your fault or someone else's. A good example would be tracking interrupts on your group, and watching dps refuse to interrupt and letting casts go off and nuke yourself or others. Or tracking dps defensive abilities and wondering why they died in something they could have moved out of or reduced the damage of.
fresh belfry
I am so confused rn
mild lintel
Yeah I don’t like the timer it gives me anxiety
jagged pier
I am so confused rn
same
strong forum
The timer is w/e
jagged pier
i miss CMs
strong forum
It's just not fun to play
jagged pier
bring them back they were better than m+
dont @ me
getting cool transmog > than m+
fresh belfry
I dont miss CMs in particular but I miss how you could cheese the shit out of CMs while these days everything is streamlined and a tunnel
halcyon shard
mild lintel
Well casual or not I’ll be honest I’ve kinda been feeling distraught & a bit disconnected from putting time into the game
Because I don’t know what I should main
It kinda seems like people have been saying based off what I want prot Warrior fits me better right?
waxen cradle
Them bringing back dungeon teleports in 9.1 and not cool transmogs really annoys me
strong forum
getting cool transmog > than m+
So much this
mild lintel
Well are 19s supposed to be hard? 😮
fierce field
i feel like we're being trolled 😄
strong forum
Well casual or not I’ll be honest I’ve kinda been feeling distraught & a bit dis...
Yes, but as a tank role, especially warrior I recommend knowing what you're doing especially in m+
mild lintel
Cuz I only know like what the bosses do & necrotic bolts
fresh belfry
idk man i just wanna seasaw through an invisible wall and glider underneath the dungeon terrain to the last boss
is that too much to ask for
solemn magnet
If you're doing 19s you're like 1750rio
strong forum
Sounds like you're being hard carried in m+ if you don't know what's happening
mild lintel
I’m 1500
solemn magnet
I'm 1608 with all 17s and 2 18s
mild lintel
Husky-Greymane
strong forum
Like, I know what every single mob does, General routes, what to use where, what's dangerous. That's expected of a tank
mild lintel
I have no clue
solemn magnet
You're 1372, my guy. I don't see any 19s
jagged pier
so u tried the one u got from timing the 18 i get u
mild lintel
Yeah it was jenasi’s key we were pushing
fierce field
did you complete? or try and bail out? rio doesn't clock runs if you leave before the key is complete.
jagged pier
i wouldnt say that your doing 19s, youve tried a 19. but saying your doing 19s and have 1 18 key the rest 16 and lower are different things imo
solemn magnet
Yeah, not that it matters a ton, but I'd say you're pushing 16s
mild lintel
Idk they don’t feel different I just haven’t done more in the other keys
Anyway long story short none of that really matters.
What I feel like matters is I can’t bring myself to do a key even at a 2
Because, I feel like I’m worried like I’m not on the right class & it’s hurting my enjoyment of WoW
jagged pier
now it makes more sense that you dont know what the mobs do cause at 16s and 15s you dont really need to know
but you SHOULD know even at thoughs levels again thats my opinion
solemn magnet
Also your avatar + character name - not being a worgan is :(
modern brook
Mythic + talents: If you are not running Reprisal/Seismic then use Booming Voic...
pog thank you
polishing my emote
mild lintel
Even if I’m doing a 5 or a 10.
I don’t care about being the best in the world, that’s fine, I’m not a great player.
But I can’t even really get the motivation to do the world quests right now.
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
polishing my <:pins:353613639380369418> emote
my favourite emote
solemn magnet
Even if I’m doing a 5 or a 10.
I don’t care about being the best in the world, t...
I don't think anyone is motivated to do WQs
mild lintel
I have time to put into 1 character & I just am really looking for help to know if I’m playing the right one
jagged pier
who does wqs?
modern brook
Yeah now you wont have to get up at 3 am to explain to people how the greater than symbol works
mild lintel
And I’ve been so stick between prot warr & prot pally
jagged pier
I have time to put into 1 character & I just am really looking for help to know ...
well if u have logs we can tell yah
mild lintel
Huh
solemn magnet
I like not having to know what everything does
If this is your big thing just play a dps. See a mobs casting, prolly need to kick it. Ezclap.
mild lintel
Oh no I just feel really like, demotivated because I’m worried if I’m not playing the right class for me. That’s what I mean
floral pewter
Most people can enjoy multiple classes, it's not about picking the "right" one
mild lintel
It kinda is for me when I only have so much time to play 😦
modern brook
The good news is that we're so late into the teir that nothing matters
so just roll something else
jagged pier
its just about picking the one u enjoy most
fresh belfry
everyone has only so much time to play
solemn magnet
Half my enjoyment is playing with my friends :). The class doesn't matter as much.
modern brook
and if you still feel that way, end ur sub
fresh belfry
thats not a thing applying to you specicically
floral pewter
It kinda is for me when I only have so much time to play 😦
No I mean, pick one and play it, it's not a question of right or wrong
waxen cradle
The thing is we cant tell you what is the right class for you as you have to decide what you enjoy the most, and that is subject to your experimentation with the game and its classes
jagged pier
☝️
floral pewter
Tbh if you've been doing warrior and you're now super demotivated, try something else
jagged pier
☝️
mild lintel
Well I think people are misunderstanding a little
floral pewter
Shelve your warrior and work on your paladin until 9.1, see if you like it better
brittle owl
or just like
mild lintel
The thing that I’ve been looking for was the distinction between the two classes, which was very helpful at the start
brittle owl
play whatever looks cool
jagged pier
but your talking about the right class theres no correct answer to that any class can do any content, it is literally a subjective thing pick what u like playing and play that
brittle owl
delving deeper than that is 99% of the time uselessly pedantic
cool factor will never fail you
jagged pier
i and a prot pally alt i love watching them shields fly
but i cant play it all the time i just enjoy it in short bursts
same with brew
and ele shammy
brittle owl
ew brew
brittle owl
brew is like the big kid in 4th grade that also eats glue
mild lintel
Well I’ve never played a DPS or healer class so I can’t really understand that comparison but I get the idea
mild lintel
Eh for me DPS & healers aren’t roles I’m passionate about you know?
mild lintel
But do you think that might be making me struggle to chose between prot w & prot p?
strong forum
I just pick classes based on if they're warrior or not
brittle owl
sword n board bis weapon
flint tiger
I pick based off the cLaSs FaNtAsY
waxen cradle
The thing is you can do any/all of the content on any class/spec, picking the wrong class or spec is only going to hold you back unless you wanted to tank and you picked a ranged dps which is completely redundant anyway and will never happen. So what I am saying is decide what is the most enjoyable to you, and go with that, and if down the road you find that boring... then 1. worry about it then, and 2. if it ever does happen pick something else you enjoy
mild lintel
Warrior in FFXIV can’t use a shield
modern brook
I solved it for you
strong forum
Dun care bout shield, just lemme slam in melee range without fancy magic