like i linked 2 screenshots the other day
#protection
jagged pier
one was a lvl 15 one a lvl 17 or somthing
both groups had similar ilvl
but in 15 i was top
and the 17 i was bottom
obvious a lot of different factors
fierce field
Jakey is your log review video pinned anywhere? i forgot to bookmark it last time I saw it posted and got interrupted while trying to watch it
short kiln
Unless you're coordinated or conditioned to repeat precise lines of play each and every time there will naturally be variance; which person uses CDs when, duration of pack life, dungeon and key level all will change the numbers drastically.
fierce field
awesome thank you!
short kiln
Should pin if it hasn't been
jagged pier
ah its alright keep spreading it more ppl can link it
fierce field
as long as i've been playing, reading WCL has never been my strong suit. mostly what I knew from brew is "i didn't die to things I shouldn't die from"
heady pawn
im super late to the party with this one but i highly highly recommend https://quazii.com/shadowlands-mdt-routes/ for pug routes
he gives the option of fort/tyrannical and advanced or easy routes
all tricky pulls are noted in mdt
@steep bone
i started tanking for the first time in 17 years this tier and he makes it very easy
fierce field
why do i only have 1k hp?
Every class has a different stamina to health scaling, i believe there are warrior passives that increase as you level. You might not have as much stamina on your gear compared to others, and you might be queued with higher level people in your random groups and the damage/healing gets normalized by the client
steep bone
@heady pawn thank you, will check it
finite arch
is there a maximum ignore pain cap even if you can cast it multiple times?
seems like mine is capping at 11k (not that high ilvl)
finite arch
oh 😄 ok thanks
dusk moat
im super late to the party with this one but i highly highly recommend https://q...
Whoa! Exactly what I was looking for, fury main trying to learn Prot. Appreciate the post
left prism
So I had a thought regarding the new 9.1 legendary for Condemn.
At first glance I do agree that its just weak and the fact that Condemn is meh just makes me sad.
Do we have enough Rage gen to keep it up 100% of the time, and my thought are with Unnerving focus and Anger Management, just how much extra CDR do we get on Shield Wall?
left prism
Oh UF is a different buff? I'm still leveling so I haven't messed with it much.
left prism
RIP nevermind.
sweet summit
so it should work, but it doesnt
left prism
Yeah, I thought it just modified the Last Stand buff.
File a bug report maybe? I know it doesn't work with Bolster but it also should I think that should be filed as a bug report too.
sweet summit
ive done it already
left prism
It doesn't match the wording of Bolster, so either Bolster should be changed or it should extend.
Here's hoping they address it.
sweet summit
🙏
left prism
If it did extend UF/Bolster, do you think that Legendary would become BIS? Or not enough to pull ahead of Wall/Reprisal
left prism
idk, what about Harrowing Punishment?
left prism
I mean that combined with Juggernaut I can see why, especially with Fury.
Condemn, Ashen Jugg, Harrowing, and Sinful Surge sounds like a pretty beefy combo.
novel dune
Is venthyr really bad to play for mythic progression? Like is there no reason to take it over other covenants
sweet summit
its not terrible but there are better and safer options
novel dune
And NF/Necro/Kyrian are all kinda equal
late rampart
I feel based on wording the venthyr legendary should extend bolster and the rage conduit as well? Wouldn’t that make it insane to raid as venthyr prot with the legendary if blizzard fixes it?
heady pawn
having more ST damage in raids would push us past bear which would make them irrelevant because of their lack of utility and make warrior meta. im not saying blizz wouldnt do something dumb like that but it's unlikely they would for that reason
sweet summit
the only place where tank choice matters aka world first, bear is already irrelevant. they dont provide any buff/debuff like warr/dh/monk does, nor do they have AMZ or paladin damage
heady pawn
you're not wrong. it's also because dps warrior is falling a bit in nathria that warriors are ideal as tanks. i'm more saying that because their damage significantly higher than ours with convoke or kitty offtanking they remain in a good place for everyone who isnt sweaty, but theyd look a lot worse if we had more damage in our kits. although that concept applies to all the other tanks too
hollow bolt
they keep buffing blood but its still not good
heady pawn
it needs way more than 6% haha
hollow bolt
but damage isnt fixing its issue
sweet summit
damage is literally the only issue blood has wdym
hollow bolt
unless its getting ret pally damage then people will struggle bus it through
heady pawn
yeah im with erga here
hollow bolt
they tend 2 flatline on pulls if no 25 sec or drw
sweet summit
we're talking raids
heady pawn
❤️
hollow bolt
ive been failing alot at discord 2day
winged lotus
can spell reflect actually do big damage in some situation in mythic+?
i heard someone said reflecting master of death from muezhala or whatever the fuck his name is can do big damage
sweet summit
nah thats just a deflect
the big reflects are the scythe from last boss in ToP and plaguestomp from first boss PF
dense flame
Remember BFA prot 
winged lotus
the big reflects are the scythe from last boss in ToP and plaguestomp from first...
ye does that do a lot?
sweet summit
a fuckton
toxic prairie
I love prot warrior, I just feel so much at the mercy of healers . I just tanked a 14 with a pally who was terrible, and I felt like a paperweight.
Guardian is a snooze fest but you can take care of yourself a bit
vocal bison
Remember BFA prot <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
I member
modern brook
I love prot warrior, I just feel so much at the mercy of healers . I just tanked...
I'll put money down you're playing wrong
vocal bison
I love prot warrior, I just feel so much at the mercy of healers . I just tanked...
If it was spires and no interrupts it can be pretty gross, outside that you should hold up pretty well even with a potato healer
toxic prairie
@modern brook well i never died, had 75 percent ish uptime on shield block, had a DCD up almost all the time, but sure, its possible I wasn't perfect. But I have tanked 15's this week that were like an 8, because group
young oasis
Is 9.1 release date out yet?
toxic prairie
no, plan on july is what the scuttlebut is
carmine prawn
Wanna ask if it is viable/possible to have 1 macro to do charge and mouseover intervene?
heady pawn
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists][help] Intervene;
/cast [@mouseover,exists,harm][] Charge;
works like this: intervene friendly mouseover > charge enemy mouseover > charge target
the issue you might have if you still use actionbars to see spells is checking charge/intervene cd and for ease of use you may want to track them seperately
carmine prawn
Thank!! This will help a lot!! Is there any means to make charge work on only my target instead of mouseover?
heady pawn
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists][help] Intervene;
/cast Charge;
just take the mouseover part out of it
though once you get used to having the option to mouseover charge you never go back
feels so nice off gcd
fathom spindle
Is ignore pain still limited to the 1.5x like it was in BFA btw?
carmine prawn
I think it caps when you press it twice back to back
signal plover
It's 2x now yeh
fathom spindle
Ahh, that’s nice 🙂
golden sapphire
for my first prot leggo you guys rec wall or reprisal?
tame jasper
Reprisal
golden sapphire
any of you guys do venthyr or am I just hanging on to deathmaker too hard?
sweet summit
Deathmaker 
brittle owl
what is a death and what spec makes it
sudden kayak
lvl 15 horde prot warrior does any one know how come i can only join specific dungeon but not random dungeon
carmine prawn
Your first 2 words pretty much sums up the answer you need, bro. Need higher lvl to unlock more dungeons
sudden kayak
kk ty ponstar
carmine prawn
Welcome, bruh
mighty valley
Yeah it's fun
clear kraken
what are the chances prot warrior becomes meta in 9.1
rapid trench
5050
jagged pier
what are the chances prot warrior becomes meta in 9.1
why does that matter just play what you like prots are doing 25+ keys why do it matter if we are meta or not?
if you enjoy it play it
urban portal
When was the last time prot was truly meta
I know there was a long time where blood dominated cuz grip
sweet summit
literally last season
urban portal
Too zoomer
strong forum
why does that matter just play what you like prots are doing 25+ keys why do it ...
Why do you assume he means keys 
|| im certain he is, but for some reason people like to care about m+ alot when it comes to tanks ||
jagged pier
When was the last time prot was truly meta
first 2 weeks of legion and end of bfa
sweet summit
8.1
strong forum
8.2
jagged pier
Why do you assume he means keys <:seanbee:836829660016803860> || im certain he i...
that usually the question when talking about meta and we were the meta raiding tank anyways WF kill 🤷
sweet summit
8.2 was a mixed bag between monk and warr, yeah
jagged pier
8.2 we got BoM
sweet summit
8.1
strong forum
Literally season 2,3 and 4 pwar was meta in m+
jagged pier
hell i dunno bfa is bfa rather forget it
strong forum
And it would've been in S1 aswell I think if people had known about SR more
But that could be dicey cuz no ranged block
sweet summit
jagged pier
that mob in with the raptor in that dungeon with zul cant remeber the name
sweet summit
the poison volley fucker?
jagged pier
that and the room with the 4 spawns
jagged pier
before range block
strong forum
She was so bad
jagged pier
that was a yikes
strong forum
You had to Los cheese every single shot of hers
In s1
Cuz shed hit you for 80% of your HP
Every global
sweet summit
doomed
strong forum
Literally worse than zul
sweet summit
nightmares
jagged pier
i never found zul that bad until i started to push in final season tbh
strong forum
Ngl tho, s4 Kings rest was comfy as shit
urban portal
Was 8.2 heavy physical? That's why monk and prot good?
strong forum
Cuz of the stupid seasonal affix and a bug that made monks way stronger than they should be
Monks healed for like 50%-80% more than they should have
rapid trench
Bring back reaping season with double rogue ww monk prot warr
sweet summit
emisarry of tides auto attacked with unlbockable frost damage
strong forum
Cuz big lul
strong forum
That + bug
sweet summit
whats the ability called
strong forum
And a broken monk weapon
sweet summit
gift of the ox?
strong forum
Ye
sweet summit
ye
strong forum
Procced waaaay too often
sweet summit
Was 8.2 heavy physical? That's why monk and prot good?
all dungeons are mainly physical damage
and thats true even now in SL
strong forum
There was actually so much broken shit for monks, ring of peace for the enchanted emissary, ring of peace for the anti CC emissary, urchin + edict + the dmg proc weapon for monk + the bug for monk
Is why monk was strong that season
urban portal
Why was prot strong
strong forum
And yeah, 80% of dungeon dmg intake is physical
strong forum
Pwar had insane damage, spell reflect, safeguard and 100% uptime on Block
urban portal
and thats true even now in SL
So vdh isn't good because of the magic resistance, it's their tool right
And good in this kite meta
strong forum
Vdh is good because of meta and chaos brand
sweet summit
mostly that, yeah
meta is just an insane defensive cooldown
and they have "shield wall" how often?
strong forum
Like 20-30sec CD
urban portal
So fiery brand is what puts them over the top?
strong forum
No
In high keys you don't even get value out of that leggo even
Cuz you can't tank
urban portal
Because I know in mdi they use sigil
strong forum
In mdi they're good because of meta and spirit bomb
urban portal
And I'm assuming between the silence and fear they have a lot of control
Even tho their bulk isn't the greatest
jagged pier
well its a cower and they mobs dont run
which is kind of op in itself
sometimes ive feared and because not enough damage they run a pull more stuff
strong forum
Ye
sweet summit
would be epic if menace did that instead of fucking pushing everything 5k yards away
strong forum
But again, mdi will only see vdh or bear because of their insane survivability and uncapped dmg during CDs
Fun isn't it
We're hard gated out of mdi cuz of being target capped and not being tanky enough in big pulls
Or hard gated out of big pulls period
sweet summit
huge fan of target caps, great idea!!!!
urban portal
Would you say prot is better at living long periods of physical damage more so than short big bursts that mdi requires?
strong forum
Absolutely
Pwar can facetank forever
Unlike vdh
But in insane pulls, meta and incarn + thrash spam, translates much much better into it than having LS + block and 8 measily seconds of shieldwall
urban portal
And I don't think I've ever seen a bear in mdi
But ye idk why warrior has such a hard time with uncapped aoe
Dk basically is full uncapped
Dh can at least tag other targets
Even if eye beam gets really weak
Blood is just in a shit spot
strong forum
And I don't think I've ever seen a bear in mdi
Hoa
You'll also see alot of bear in hoa in "the great push"
sweet summit
epidemic is 8, but also a bad example since it splashes off every mob
strong forum
Bears are literally immortal during incarn spam, even on a +26 fort key
So they're perfect for the insane hoa pulls
urban portal
Yeah that's what I'm thinking
Epidemic is 8 but each of those splashes
Which is practically uncapped
Do you have a vid of bear in hoa?
rapid trench
Any naowh or dorkibear vod from recent days
misty charm
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1006420434?t=00h53m14s
wtf lol
urban portal
What's a reasonable nerf for revenge if they made it incapped
Would you take a 5% nerf? 10?
sweet summit
probably like 10
but then they'd have to buff SS or something to compensate for the ST damage loss
jagged pier
no that can stay where it is
sweet summit
o :/
urban portal
Also yeah it's crazy
The guy was chilling in a 26
While his dps is dying to random stuff
carmine prawn
I would prefer (at my low ilvl) to extend shield block timer or reduce shield block cd via conduit
jagged pier
gief iron madien back
tbf though would be busted already
and have killed HR talent
and probably bolster as well
sweet summit
tournament realm
strong forum
It would unironically be a good move
carmine prawn
On average, does HR extend shield block by a good amount on the timer?
jagged pier
yer even the buffs of reprisal
if you werent as lazy as me you could get 100% blocked hits in a dungeon
but u loose a lot of damag
sweet summit
LMFAO
ionic fern
These yellow names ...
sweet summit
TRUE
strong forum
👏
jagged pier
TRUE
carmine prawn
I figure i should be more defensive while taking my babysteps, as i get better, will be going into AM for more damage play
sweet summit
see, id like to argue the opposite
jagged pier
yer
ionic fern
Jump in on the deep end.
jagged pier
you should get used to am and charge weaving
sweet summit
i think playing the "offensive build" is better while learning
and jumping to the "defensive build" too early can create bad habits because its a lot more failsafe
carmine prawn
Fair point, gonna get myself some 1250 soul ash and leggo later when i am home
sweet summit
oh you dont have a legendary?
carmine prawn
Nope, warr is fresh 60
old garnet
True
carmine prawn
Already has when i came onto the warrior world from bear. Guess reprisal will open another door
sweet summit
for sure
jagged pier
sweet summit
jagged pier
POG
ionic fern
Zooming in closer now.
sweet summit
what the fuck 😂
jagged pier
what we testing today?
ionic fern
Some stuff.
And some other stuff..and maybe if i got time then that also.
Well, i would...but apparently the zooming is still messing up. 😒
carmine prawn
How did you manage to zoom out that far?
ionic fern
#PTRthings.
jagged pier
i would play with my camera that far out tbh
gaunt dawn
the camera issue on ptr is annoying
jagged pier
yes i did
sand condor
damn son
congrats
was it because you were playing war machine
it must have been war machine.
jagged pier
nah i ran punish the damage reduction was to m uch
misty charm
im actually going for war machine tomorrow cause fck explosives (and my m+ group for being shit at killing them)
jagged pier
ewwww
strong forum
Yeah doing m+, ewww
jagged pier
TRUE
brittle owl
ewww WoW
sweet summit
Tru
sand condor
imagine not killing slg again :(
jagged pier
how is the new update thing?
misty charm
Friendship with wow ENDED
Poe is now my best friend
PoE 😷
imagine having enough people to raid
strong forum
It's my first league playing poe, I have no clue about how anything is
But the ultimatum thingy seems like a blast
Killing 1000 mobs in less than 2 minutes
Very fun
And getting mad XP and loot
blazing condor
you telling me you guys dont just run around Oribos for hours contributing nothing to anything or anyone
jagged pier
It's my first league playing poe, I have no clue about how anything is
i played it for a few weeks have no idea whats going on all i know is i had bladestorm and fire so i was a fire tornado was pretty fun
sweet summit
carmine prawn
Is PoE available for play? Or it's in beta?
jagged pier
free to play
subtle island
what's best enchant and pot for single target?
phantom fire and celestial guidance?
sweet summit
Sinful+oil+phantom fire
obsidian girder
anyone got a hint, what slot i should pick for reprisal
sweet summit
Legs if u cant get mythic slg legs
jagged pier
just make sure u have haste on it
strong forum
It's good and shit at the same time, but the thing that's most important is, is the company doesn't stop you from doing what you play for
Just slam massive amounts of mobs and get stronger without arbitrary chores to fuck you over and cap your power gain unlike certain games
still pagoda
It doesn't stop you from making 60 vaal bois double strike build for sure
Though it's a 100% meme with huge cost and can't be a starter
formal grail
I started playing PoE too! poison blade vortex is fun :3
misty charm
ive tried PoE a few times but everytime i got bored after about 20 hours, idk its just missing something to catch me really
still pagoda
I started playing PoE too! poison blade vortex is fun :3
last time i played it was during Metamorph league iirc
and i played scourge arrow pathfinder with emphasis on poison prolif
will probably play next league, a bit too busy rn
formal grail
but now I've gone back to playing some wow on my prot warrior, really enjoying it (much more than my DH honestly)
carmine prawn
I totally can't understand vdh, meta tank for m+ is guerilla warfare
jagged pier
Vdh was fun in legion since then as its only been spirit bomb builds its got very very boring
strong forum
In legion vdh made sense
Right now it doesn't
You had pain from dmg taken, pain would allow you to cast fracture ( it was a spender back then) which would generate your souls that youd then pump into spirit bomb and absolutely destroy the dmg meters with it. Then spirit bomb had 20% leech instead of 10%, and you had actual mitigation and wouldnt flop at the sight of 3 mobs
prisma bear
has anyone thought about the new necro leggo extending banner per rage spent and bolster making last stand and banner same cd, combined with that conduit that makes last stand generate omega rage
and banner conduit that give you 14% str while banner is up
jagged pier
okay so
the condmen leggo
does not extend last stand or the conduit buff
just the health
and the banner only extends the buff on you
the one extra person is alright though
prisma bear
i know its only on you
strong forum
I think he's just talking about execute spam during banner + last stand
So you just execute bukkake over the boss
prisma bear
im wondering if 1 min+ of 14% more str and 400 mastery might outweigh reprisal in dungeon if you also consider it gives some stats to other people too
strong forum
Necro with its leggo defo has potential to be very very strong
But you'll play more around your dps players rather than yourself
So there will be up to 1 minute where you're not gonna use Banner
Since you will buff 3 players
jagged pier
^^
prisma bear
ya banner now is a bit of a headache getting the right 2 players but if its 3 that makes it significantly easier to press
in dungeon, at least
jagged pier
the dream
thorn ether
Boys , i Andybrew uploaded a mists 25 he did with his warrior and to my surprise this was his talent choice
Can someone give me an insight on why he went with this choice? On 15 row he had devastator
jagged pier
this build basically gives you more blocked hits
which helps at the high high keys
thorn ether
Why not opt in for bolster ; I mean on high keys pulls survive alot so you have it basically every pull.
jagged pier
jagged pier
the 2 pictures are the difference between the builds
prisma bear
im very curious why he chose into the fray over ravager in mists
jagged pier
you take ITF for the SS procs
prisma bear
i could see maybe in more huge pull dungeons but ravager isnt really target capped i thought in mists
jagged pier
the HR build is less dps more blocked hits
jagged pier
Why not opt in for bolster ; I mean on high keys pulls survive alot so you have ...
because bolster is on demand block and honestly HR is way better for repirsal as it allows u to extend the buff to your next charge or intervene or shield block like its insane tbh
prisma bear
🤩
thorn ether
Do you see it as more optimal or maybe more safe since i know that as a prot warrior he doesn’t have as much experience and he might not feel as comfortable
jagged pier
its a better build for higher keys as you want the blocked hits for sure
like the pic above if i wasnt lazy could have been far closer to 100%
blocked hits
prisma bear
andy pushed really really high after he gave up on his brew deep into s4 bfa
on prot warr*
thorn ether
Prot warrior on bfa with this iterration is day and night
I dont think u can even compare them
Prot on bfa was busted on every lvl
prisma bear
i guess ? shield block still go brr
if anything theres less skill cap now than in bfa
jagged pier
its a higher skill cap
prisma bear
in dungeon
strong forum
It's higher skill cap
jagged pier
^^
thorn ether
Now its higher i think
strong forum
Much higher
jagged pier
u dont get 100% shield block uptime for free
u dont have BoM to cover mistakes
etc etc
far harder
keen star
BFA prot was big avatar icon in the middle of your screen and it had some ridiculous uptime
thorn ether
Jakey now or bfa itteration?
prisma bear
i never played prot in bfa only healed it, cant comment
jagged pier
its far harder now
as u dont have the stuff above
like sure with HR and repirsal u can get close to 100% blocked hits but u still need to charge weave and work to get it unlike bfa
and u loose the corruptions and BoM which covered a lot of ppls mistakes in bfa
thorn ether
Yeah excactly @prisma bear on bfa u had bastion of might which gave you 1500 mastery when u used avatar and as a result perma crit block on top of having bolster in a row which made it very optimal on top of anger managment reducing cd of Avatar as well. Prot was litterally unkillable
prisma bear
i see
jagged pier
like theres a lot of changes
there was a reason at the start of this expansion ppl didnt like prot because a lot of ppl were playing it completely wrong and thinking it was free like in bfa
median tulip
I miss BfA protection
jagged pier
i miss MoP and legion
prisma bear
it should not go back to that way then? i got the impression it was a bad change into shadowlands from what limit max was saying
jagged pier
i dont miss bfa prot was boring as fuck
thorn ether
Avatar on bfa was big defensive cd which confused me a lot when i picked prot on shadowlands since i didnt see any rework on avatar in shadowlands 😄
strong forum
it should not go back to that way then? i got the impression it was a bad change...
It was a bad change
Blizz doesn't change classes to make them better
Ykno
Unless you're warlock
jagged pier
max saying prots bad while still taking it to WF progression
median tulip
Bliz only make classes good by accident
prisma bear
the specific thing he said was that only feral was more historically ruined gameplay wise from what it once was, saying they changed some talents into different rows in prot or something i dont remember exactly
jagged pier
and all tanks will be bad until we get control of our own survivability back
thorn ether
Well on BfA it was busted , its not that other tanks werent good it was just warrior beeing op.The changes gutted him in shadowlands but rn now he is in a state where i think it will only get better
jagged pier
i mean prots been good from launch
jagged pier
u just need to know how to play the spec tbh
strong forum
Ya'all gotta stop throwing OP around as much as you do
thorn ether
In bfa raiding u had tons of magic dmg on top of monk negating boss mechanics
prisma bear
ya 😦
thorn ether
I am not xplicitly reffering to m+
thorn ether
jagged pier
i remeber i was asked to tank illgy one night as one of the tanks couldnt make it and i had no corruptions really it was fine
just play correctly
strong forum
The good ol "but muh magic dmg"
thorn ether
@strong forum i am reffering to prot in M+ not raiding , the while conversation started about m+ and even if you disagree in S4 bfa you basically were inting if you didint play prot for high end pushing
fierce field
season 4 was such a clown fiesta
median tulip
I hated the BfA S4 affix
thorn ether
Agree
thorn ether
So true
prisma bear
that seasonal affix tho
thorn ether
I remember playing monk back then because it was first time tanking and i wanted to meme in 15s but the dmg without versatile was huge
strong forum
Bfa s4 was the least relevant season of tank choice in all of m+ history
Aside from SL pre-patch
jagged pier
i like got ksm in the first 2 weeks or somthing with no corruptions then later on couldnt get into my weekly 15 because i didnt have the vers
🤔
thorn ether
@prisma bear i think season4 seasonal affix was the best seasonal affix they implemented yet for so many reasons
prisma bear
yes 100% @thorn ether i didnt play during reaping but i find it hard to believe it was more fun from a tryhard perspective
thorn ether
@strong forum yeah you had tons of versatility in picking a tank. Plenty of tanks could solo 40m HP mobs in shrine and destroy triads in WM
prisma bear
in fairness though like i said before andybrew was rank 1 rio for a reasonable while in the middle of the season before the corruption vendor and everyone also had full avoidance sets
on brew, not yet prot warr
turbid gazelle
Reaping was fun in the mindless aoe blasting.
thorn ether
@prisma bear well considering in S2 the meta was 3 outlaw rogues and something similar in S3 making an affix that made rogues an option and not a necesity in m+ was a very good change
turbid gazelle
S4 affix tho made things much more interesting imo
fierce field
I had EV3 week 1 of 8.3 and was crushing it as brew, my DPS hated me.... then they nerfed EV and I didn't see Twilight Dev until the vendor was put in... felt so bad.
thorn ether
I loved brew but the dmg was abysmal and you were relying so hard on your dps doing shit especially in Shrine.Those attendats were my worst nightmare
sick sentinel
i might be wrong here but in my opinion tank balance has been quite fine the past two expansions
in raid and m+
unless you aim for 3.2k rio or top50 world it doesnt matter mutch what tank you playas long as you play it properly
thorn ether
Yeah you are not wrong on that.
brittle owl
bfa was a shitshow from a raid pov
mostly because of force dodging endboss mechanics
sick sentinel
The 26 HoA video with the guardian druid tanking its pretty pog tho 
brittle owl
ofc that wasnt really relevant for most people
thorn ether
Still i regretted not playing prot war on bfa. Not because i couldnt do 25s as brew but because prot warrior made it so so much easier to do them
brittle owl
but the power imbalance was big on that front
sick sentinel
im playing warr RN because raid purpouses since we don't have any other
but i wouldnt mind keep on it, quite fun tbh
way more than "trash-ironfur"
jagged pier
fierce field
switching from brew to war for 9.1 because i'm enjoying war play, and need something to challenge my brain after 4 years brew, plus we have other sources of Mistake Touch
fierce field
brain gone very smooth 🙂
brittle owl
sick sentinel
i usually have 2 tanks ready in case its need
its so easy to gear as tank at least to a minimum point
toxic prairie
Don’t do what I did , learn to love ignore pain in pugs. I got spoiled with guild healers (I could just keep sb up and spam revenge and pull allot of dps).
fierce field
i very rarely pug, currently the only main tank in my guild, so I have two healers I trust (one that I live with) and solid DPS that I trust with kicking the proper kicking things.
toxic prairie
Haha you were blessed
fierce field
yeah I try to prio revenge, but feel I still don't press it enough, had a 27 min NW, it was about 20% of my dmg, but had 69% effective block, and only 260 wasted rage
jagged pier
log?
fierce field
er,,, sorry HOA, not NW
might be partially due to my grandpa pulling, so fewer targets
jagged pier
could be that
you also not intervening
soyour loosing a lot of rage
like i just found one of my HoA logs around the same length of time
fierce field
yeah I need to get better at that, it's been the one thing I've focusing on
jagged pier
intervened nearly 30 times more than u
and u cast around 3 revenges less a minute than i do
and far more IPs u have alot most double the IP casts as i do
fierce field
yeah, some of that is still brew reflex from purify, it sits on the same button. only been at this warrior thing for a month... 2 weeks ago I wasn't using revenge unless it had a proc 🙂
jagged pier
intervening more will help with the blocked hits
fierce field
Is there a distance in which intervene just gives the revenge proc without moving you to the target? i've noticed sometimes I don't move, which is great so I don't flip turn mobs and cleave my rogue and make him cranky.
fierce field
I know he likes to melee at max range with acrobatic strikes, so maybe that's the difference
jagged pier
well u can move close to him then just move back
the key is not to intervene and turn your back to the mobs
like u can intervene a distance just dont get hit in the back
fierce field
sweet, thank you for the feedback! now off to work I go
jagged pier
have fun 👋
lime urchin
Intervening into storming this week like a champ!
That cat is bigger than I expected, sorry.
signal plover
lilac bloom
i finaly can do h sire but still nosure how to tank p3 sire
jagged pier
you stack to stay alive bruda
should swap every shattering pain
keeps the dot stack low
use cds if u have to go higher
signal plover
Be dry for a spike during shattering too
Rdy even
Moisture levels are personal preference
lilac bloom
the posittionin for finese
signal plover
Jakey u guys in P3 yet?
lilac bloom
i dont know where but been standing on tank
signal plover
2/2 or 2/1/1
jagged pier
2/1/1
signal plover
Gotcha
jagged pier
i dont know where but been standing on tank
positioning is a difficult on basically far enough to leave space for the soaks
signal plover
How's reprisal in P2? Cuz fuck me wall/bolster is boring in P1
lilac bloom
i want to learn positioninf
signal plover
Prolly best off watching some videos/log replays.
Even on heroic our P3 diagram was wild
jagged pier
How's reprisal in P2? Cuz fuck me wall/bolster is boring in P1
im getting like 80% blocked hits, seems fine, i swap my focus to the h pala for phase 2 other i just die to taking the other tanks damage
but its fine
lilac bloom
i have but not the same some tell me diferenly
jagged pier
once i get more used to phase 2 the blocked hits will got up
signal plover
Not having an hpal is hurting my soul P2 and on
jagged pier
and phase 3 i dunno just have to see i guess
jagged pier
Not having an hpal is hurting my soul P2 and on
F
signal plover
I'm doing the leapy boi stuff
I think I'll be gucci once healers figure out where I'm jumping
jagged pier
ah my dh does the leapy stuff
lilac bloom
i know p3ll take boss to ad. then when ad die tank in the corner for shattering pain... after that im nottoo sure
signal plover
Are you in a pug or guild group?
jagged pier
i mean thats very depended on the pug tbh
lilac bloom
i can survive p3 but positioning is screwed up 4 me
signal plover
@lilac bloom these are our movements from our prog notes
But God knows what your pug wants to do
jagged pier
just get the leader to tell you where to go is the best option
or let the other tank tke it first then they will do most of the movement
lilac bloom
diagram looks confusimg but kinda figuted it out
thats it i dont want to follow i want to know how
signal plover
No magic quick answers for this, just gotta prep it
lilac bloom
so i see first shatter lay finese far from boss. ravage then move to the back of finess
orchid frigate
jagged pier
please no language like this
jagged pier
what about frender?
orchid frigate
just wanted to amuse you guys
jagged pier
just wanted to amuse you guys <:sadge:820202363359854633>
carbaord assasin is really strong
in super high keys
orchid frigate
yupp, just watched andybrews group making good use of them in +26 HoA
think blizzard will do something about the assasins?
jagged pier
nah
orchid frigate
👋
solemn magnet
I think CA will be out in 9.1
modern brook
IF you know you know 😏
sweet summit
Cardboard Assassin i imagine
jagged pier
i mean celestial alignment can also go dont want boomkins anyway
blazing condor
Christ Almighty 🙏
light sorrel
Any thoughts on Slimy Consumptive Organ?
jagged pier
trash
patent osprey
Much better options out there @light sorrel
light sorrel
It's in my vault, so thought I would ask. It's like 8k healing when you use it?
balmy coral
Is 0 Mastery a good number to shoot for? Got my haste to 772 and Verse to 702
jagged pier
you really need to no focus on stats
ilvl means far more
mastery is bought up into line with crit and vers now as well thanks to reprisal
but TDLR if it has strength on it
the only question u need to ask is
is it a higher ilvl
jagged pier
same ilvl which piece has more haste
short kiln
20 iLvl upgrade weapon on Frost Mage, 16 iLvl upgrade ring on PW and 7 iLvl upgrade with bis stats on DK. Could be WAY worse.
twilit jay
going from a 213 crit/verse chest, to a 226 crit/mastery chest. is 13 ilvl worth the verse loss. about 91 vers
modern brook
jagged pier
yes
balmy coral
@jagged pier I'm at ilevel 220 so mostly everything I get is side grades.
modern brook
jagged pier
100% its worth
modern brook
yes.
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> I'm at ilevel 220 so mostly everything I get is side grade...
same ilvl which piece has more haste
balmy coral
same ilvl which piece has more haste
Almost everything I have has haste in it. I'm around 800 atm
jagged pier
u can get more
modern brook
imagine having 900 :poggers:
jagged pier
like look at it this way there is no value of haste where u loose it for somthing else
except for maybe 25 keys u would have to ask Plka
vers crit and mastery thanks to repirsal are now all so close in value
balmy coral
So would you go haste/mastery ring verse crit/verse?
jagged pier
haste
jagged pier
it literally doesnt matter
balmy coral
Crit still sims the highest damage for me atm
modern brook
bad title. could use ~6-13 mroe ilvl in every slot. nice bow.
jagged pier
Well verse reduces damage taken xD
survivability comes from your play 100 times more than your stats u care about vers when near perfect play is taken into account and your doing 24s/25s keys where that extra % of vers will save you from a cast going through
lucid hull
i dont have access in high mythic bosses
jagged pier
Any feedback would be highly up appreciated
what do u want feedback on?
lucid hull
and now fishing vault upgrades
my stats look to me balanced
should they be like that
modern brook
Sure
jagged pier
is this your highest ilvl gear?
jagged pier
then u keep it on
modern brook
@ionic fern can we please get a pin on stat priority again?
lucid hull
i am fishing gear from vault not
jagged pier
right okay
lucid hull
now*
jagged pier
so when it comes to gearing
even where u are now fishing for upgrades
there are 2 things u need to look at
if its armour is it a higher ilvl, if so u take it, its better regardless of stats
if they are the same ilvl which has more haste
if its rings or neck thats preference u can usually have lower ones that have more haste on
but after about 10 ilvls that piece will be better
as more stats > less better stats
balmy coral
Why would mastery be better with reprisal?
jagged pier
because you block far more
so more crit blocks
and mastery wasnt that far behind to begin with anyway
its now inline instead of just behind
maybe higher than crit defensively tbh
balmy coral
I am looking at offensively.
jagged pier
then haste crit
blazing condor
considering ilvl will change for dungeons in 9.1 does that mean we need to re-farm items for upgrade or can we upgrade the ones we have?
balmy coral
Would you go with a ring that has 150 haste 40 mast vs 110 crit and 70 verse for offensive damage?
modern brook
considering ilvl will change for dungeons in 9.1 does that mean we need to re-fa...
🔮
blazing condor
What the ball say
jagged pier
considering ilvl will change for dungeons in 9.1 does that mean we need to re-fa...
most likely will have to get KSM again and get items for the patch imo
jagged pier
Would you go with a ring that has 150 haste 40 mast vs 110 crit and 70 verse for...
sim
it
modern brook
What the ball say
answer cloudy, ask again later
blazing condor
time to do 20 more DoS in 5 days
balmy coral
They sim within 1 dps
modern brook
They sim within 1 dps
then it doesnt really matter for damage :/
balmy coral
I could also drop the 130 haste 60 verse for 150 haste 40 masyery
modern brook
You're overthinking this incredibly hard dude
balmy coral
That actually sims the highest by 5 dps.
modern brook
If you're only looking for damage, sim it - and whatever the sim says is gospel
balmy coral
Well when you're sitting around 220 and playing with rings, not much to do.
jagged pier
literally if it isnt like 100dps difference it will make 0 difference
to your dps
if your at your cap for gear you should be pushing for as much haste as you can get
balmy coral
Doesn't help my one trinket is a power crystal (220) and the other is herald.
jagged pier
because your damage like your suvivability will come from your play far more than your stats
lucid hull
what a good Dps overall for prot in MYTHICS 15
jagged pier
that depends on so many factors
lucid hull
lets say HOA
balmy coral
I do around 4.5-5k as prot
lucid hull
Holy molly
balmy coral
What is your ilevel?
lucid hull
220
balmy coral
That seems a bit off. Gotta spam revenge more.
lucid hull
i have link a sceenshoot of my gear before
balmy coral
Do you run reprisal and AM+Ravenger?
balmy coral
Ravager*
balmy coral
You should have avatar up nearly every pull
sweet summit
revenj?
lucid hull
no i dont
balmy coral
Ravager*
sweet summit
revenj 
lucid hull
i should start holdingl ogs from that reset
maybe when you can help me more
now its seem 1k dps lowers taht where i should bne
😦
lucid hull
i will run this week with logs and i will revert
autumn lintel
Is there a tanking trinket tier list? I assume that a DPS sim is useless as far as tanking trinkets are involved
sweet summit
scale>al'ar>"dps trinkets"> other "tank trinkets"
urban portal
i read somewhere that prot does well vs explosive, that true?
autumn lintel
scale>al'ar>"dps trinkets"> other "tank trinkets"
So replacing my Organ with Al'ar would be a not dumb move?
jagged pier
caveat so al'ar should be equiped in content where u arent comfortable otherwise its just a stat stick where a dps trinket will do a better job
modern brook
i read somewhere that prot does well vs explosive, that true?
maybe 3 years ago
we're as good as any class with auto attacks at this point
Explosives are a joke
jagged pier
So replacing my Organ with Al'ar would be a not dumb move?
well organ is trash so it would be a very good move
autumn lintel
Asked and asnwered!
urban portal
there was some interaction that i forgot about
jagged pier
i read somewhere that prot does well vs explosive, that true?
used to be really good they would give victory rush and could hit them ez now they dont give victory rush and we cant really hit them
modern brook
maybe 8.2
sweet summit
it used to proc legion war machine
urban portal
ok thats it
sweet summit
and vr back in 8.2, then they nuked it halfway through 8.2
modern brook
But it doesnt matter, explosives dont even need a global anymore
urban portal
yeah war machine and vrush is what i was thinking of
jagged pier
balmy coral
Interesting, I've been running Kleia for awhile because I run Pelagos as Fury, when I swapped to Pelagos, he is a 50 dps loss. I guess 5% permanent crit is worth more than 15% mastery for 1/3 of the time.
jagged pier
kelia is best for ST
eternal sail
Are 30Ver 50Mast 226 bracers a good pick up, or should I just save up and buy BoEs? :(
Don't have anything else good in my cache other than SLG Heroic Legs.
jagged pier
pelagos is better in dungeons by far
as double potency mastery and magic damage reduction
jagged pier
Are 30Ver 50Mast 226 bracers a good pick up, or should I just save up and buy Bo...
what are your current bracers and legs?
balmy coral
The second potency isn't great
jagged pier
in dungeons Show of Force isnt bad actually
eternal sail
187 37Crit 26 Vers wrists, 213 42Crit 90Mast legs.
balmy coral
Not worth borking my fury setup tho xD
eternal sail
Going with legs gets me a lot more vers, and I can "have" both if I buy BoEs... But they're nearly 200k on my server.
jagged pier
187 37Crit 26 Vers wrists, 213 42Crit 90Mast legs.
wrists
ilvl >>>>>>>> than everything
eternal sail
Okay. Are the BoE ones ridiculously better though, or is the difference pretty minimal?
I think they're like 25 Haste / 50 Vers-ish?
modern brook
no single piece of gear is going to suddenly make you feel like you cant die
jagged pier
well i dunno like a 187 shield - 226 shield might
eternal sail
201 iLvL with a 131 shield, FeelsBad.
jagged pier
modern brook
i ran a 131 shield through 15s; its fine
eternal sail
Wish BoEs on Frostmourne weren't so damn expensive. :|
Leather wrists are like 70k, Plate are 185k. :|
night crescent
How far behind kyrian are the other covenants?
jagged pier
hot take dont buy BoEs they are a waste of money
jagged pier
How far behind kyrian are the other covenants?
for what purpose?
eternal sail
Aight I chose wrists. :(
night crescent
Mostly raiding but some m+ aswell
jagged pier
ven is not ahead in raids
modern brook
til
signal plover
Kyrian gangster af
jagged pier
right okay
so kyrian is really good for raiding
as damage windows line up with spear and pot is great
NF is arguably better for m+ and its not bad for raiding
blazing condor
Demo Shout + Avatar + Spear + Sludge pillar kinda nutty
jagged pier
venthyr only really has a niche of ST stuff
and it doesnt excel at that
and necro well
thats necro
but you can play any covenant you like
none will hold you back
they all have their ups and downs
eternal sail
Does iLvL > All still apply to rings? 🤔
night crescent
What would you recommend?
eternal sail
And if I have 4 207s, what stat prio? xD
modern brook
vens like 400dps ahead in st :/
jagged pier
And if I have 4 207s, what stat prio? xD
which ever give more haste
eternal sail
Haste & Vers?
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers mason
foggy elk
venthyr bis
jagged pier
vens like 400dps ahead in st :/
in sims maybe
modern brook
in logs
modern brook
mythic hungering
jagged pier
What would you recommend?
what ever u like there isnt really a recommendation after that
modern brook
And Overall it bounces between ven and NF, NF leaning
night crescent
Alright!
sweet summit
thats a venthyr prot paladin bullfango
modern brook
?
sweet summit
jagged pier
thats a paladin
modern brook
i ginored anything with external buffs
jagged pier
on the warrior list some how
modern brook
didnt even look at that guy
jagged pier
and he got 3 PIs
modern brook
jagged pier
looks like NF is top on dps on hungering anyways
but looking at log at this stage is kind of iffy as there is a lot of cheese going on
by the top guys
modern brook
damage is damage 🤷♀️
jagged pier
there a difference if your still proging though than going for damage logs like im sire now im just doing what i can to kill the boss fuck my dps
i just want it dead
modern brook
wtf else are you going to do as tank
modern brook
you either go for r1 or you go to sleep
chilly brook
you dont go for logs on progress kills <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
👀
Most of my kills have been good logs
sweet summit
doing your rotation =! going for logs
chilly brook
👀
jagged pier
True @sweet summit
sweet summit
you seem to be misunderstanding what i was trying to say
sweet summit
just understand 4heed
hot oxide
sigh, kiting time again...
silly noob question
sweet summit
avatar first
sick sentinel
Does the damage of my aftershock on the ground increase or not because I didn’t use avatar befor aftershock
sweet summit
for 20% increased damage
sick trellis
dreadfire vessel decent on prot?
sweet summit
ya its good for st dps
sick trellis
cause curently rocking a 207 sanguine vintage and 220 dreadfire vessel
modern brook
Does the damage of my aftershock on the ground increase or not because I didn’t ...
Avatar's damage buff, like 90% of damage buffs in the game, is dynamic. So if you do it as you said, the aftershocks would be increased, yes. But theres 0 reason to not avatar->AA in the same global to get the damage increase on the initial hit as well
eternal sail
213 Macabre and Darkmoon Deck. 😎 😂
So if Haste & Vers are top 2 stats for rings, would that make Stitchflesh BIS? 🤔
random snow
Is it high haste or high vers?
jagged pier
So if Haste & Vers are top 2 stats for rings, would that make Stitchflesh BIS? �...
stitchfleash is a good ring macabre is a trash trinket though
eternal sail
Haste > Vers.
eternal sail
stitchfleash is a good ring macabre is a trash trinket though
I'll use Valor to upg from 207 to 220 then, thanks. :) And I know, that's why I was laughing. :(
random snow
Then should be good
eternal sail
My only other trinket is a 125 Shell from N'zoth lmao.
iron forum
macabre is stilll useful for using pre pull though which is something
random snow
Farm dos for scale
eternal sail
Farm dos for scale
Workin' on it. 💪
Ran with a guildy today, he looted it in offspec and wouldn't let me have. 🙄
jagged pier
macabre is fine in dungeons as you have the freedom to move a bit in raid its trash
narrow jasper
Pls can anybody tell me a source to find out about trinket, Just opened my vault and I have chose the Pulsating Stoneheart, but that slow it's fucking disgusting!
narrow jasper
stoneheart is trash
tyvm
random snow
Raid unless you worried about dying go for damage
narrow jasper
find yourself a scale + heart and never look back
which one is that heart pls? I have the Scale (unfortunate only 213)
random snow
From sunking
iron forum
sun king trink, heart of a'lar
sweet summit
splintered heart of al'ar
narrow jasper
ah that is from the raid, I don't raid which is a shame...
sweet summit
thats fine
iron forum
ive killed sun king 30+ times between heroic and mythic, still dont have it and it feels so bad tanking high keys without it
narrow jasper
scale+phial 📈
that is the one I'm wearing atm
iron forum
i was running phial since i have one at 226, but i felt like i needed a more defensive option once i got into higher keys
phial slaps in dmg though
narrow jasper
amazing thank you guys for the help!
random snow
Is a shield block, IP macro a bad idea?
iron forum
yeah
strong forum
very bad
random snow
Trying shield block Into something but i haven't found anything i like
iron forum
i would highly recommend not macroing anything else with shield block
jagged pier
u should never macro SB into or with anything
random snow
Damn
modern brook
our whole kit is a gear system tbh
IF you try and cut corners it falls apart
gear == ⚙️ not 
sick sentinel
Avatar's damage buff, like 90% of damage buffs in the game, is dynamic. So _if_ ...
Okay, I know avatar is off the gcd, but I thought it would be more efficient to cast aftershock while avatar is on cd for a few seconds then cast avatar
But now I understand better
jagged pier
but then the big inital hit wont get the damage buff
sweet summit
AA is 90 or 75
modern brook
oh right conduits exist
sweet summit
unfortunately, yea
modern brook
So the real question @sick sentinel is asking is if You should hold AA for avatar
sweet summit
tldr use everything on cooldown