damn, so Kyrian AT THE MOMENT probably the way to go
#protection
strong forum
Necro leggo might push it towards being really good for high end raiding
Cuz it's 3 targets
And you get 40-50sec uptime on buff yourself, so that's a decent dmg buff
But will have to see
finite sundial
alright, thx for the help bois
copper saddle
Hey what’s best for reprisal legs or feet 🦵 🦶
ember token
Necro is so unhealthy for tank. I been necro for 2 or 3 weeks and I would rather never go back to it.
fierce meadow
Hey what’s best for reprisal legs or feet 🦵 🦶
Feet if you think you can get the legs from mythic raiding, legs otherwise.
copper saddle
Ok cool thanks a lot
sturdy sable
necro bad for tanking but it's needed for dps
At best it's slightly ahead of NF and kyrian at worst it's a net DPS loss and it requires set up
And it's a personal DPS loss
obsidian heath
This may be a bit of a niche question, but does anyone who has tested on the PTR know if Niya's final effect (2% aoe heal on gaining mastery stacks) effects the warrior as well, or just allies?
And connected to this, does it stack when using ancient aftershock (so 2%x12 stacks)?
warped schooner
If I'm running the wall and AM should I run stalwart gaurdian as my first endurance conduit?
grand drum
Stalwart is the best one regardless
jagged pier
If I'm running the wall and AM should I run stalwart gaurdian as my first endura...
You should always run this conduit and unvering they are our best 2 conduits
sweet summit
warped schooner
@jagged pier Okay thank you!
carmine prawn
I am currently maining a bear tank, lvled a prot warr to 60 and am very facinated by how prot warr operates, but i am having some concerns on self regen like how i can pop frenzied regen when bear takes dmg whereas, prot warr does not have that. How/what can i do to overcome this worry
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> Okay thank you!
np
drifting tinsel
I am currently maining a bear tank, lvled a prot warr to 60 and am very facinate...
You dont lol you mitigate and you rely on creating space and your healer.
jagged pier
I am currently maining a bear tank, lvled a prot warr to 60 and am very facinate...
well thats the thing we dont heal but we mitigate far more damage so u stop the damage before u need to heal it back
sweet summit
Just block 
jagged pier
jagged pier
ewww
sick sentinel
jagged pier
cheers
carmine prawn
I see. This is how i interpet shield block activation
Mob packs - shield block up as much as possible to mitigate damage with ignore pain to soak up some
Boss - shield block up when massive hit is coming and ignore pain to soak balance
sick sentinel
now we have erga nomeratur and jakey who actually use their yellowness
signal plover
sense is always watching
drifting tinsel
it's more like just keep shield block and ignore pain up as much and as often as you can
drifting tinsel
ignore pain doesn't feel great, but that's where a lot of your rage goes
sick sentinel
ignore pain was never meant to block 50%, it's designed to be 90% thats why it feels so bad
they made a huge mistake
jagged pier
I see. This is how i interpet shield block activation
Mob packs - shield block u...
okay so, you should always strive to have Sheild Block up as much as possible, IP isnt as good as it looks from the tooltip its only there to smooth damage intake it wont save you and isnt something u priorities, if you dont have shield block up you need to try and use LS or SW to fill that gap
but that sort of changes with content how comfortable u are etc etc
frosty ridge
they day they gutted ignore pain was very sad
sick sentinel
the difference between 90% and 50% is 1000% or so
sweet summit
im really bad at math but that doesnt seem to add up
carmine prawn
Even a 70% is better
sweet summit
jagged pier
it comes with practice like there a lot of little niche things you can do, but i wouldnt focus on that when learning the spec as a whole
sick sentinel
500% maybe
warm remnant
Reprisal with an all ranged team who refuse to be in intervene range q.q
lime urchin
Every ignore pain is a revenge not cast. We need to be pumpin!
sweet summit
two revenges not cast*
jagged pier
is 2 revengj casts
lime urchin
Ever worse!
drifting tinsel
well the bear guy was talking about mitigation/windows lol i mean everyone knows rage = moar dps if you want it to
sick sentinel
10x more physical hp vs 2x more(50%)
sweet summit
ignore pain is also capped in amount of damage reduced, shield block is only capped on duration
jagged pier
☝️
drifting tinsel
ignore pain is also capped in amount of damage reduced, shield block is only cap...
yeah you will want to get a Weak Aura of some sort to show the amount of IP and shield block duration if you have a habit of spamming buttons/Ignore Pain
sweet summit
huh?
brittle owl
oh shit @jagged pier is yellow
jagged pier
yus 😎
carmine prawn
Got the WA suite from quazii, works well so far
brittle owl
jaundice boi
jagged pier
😮 shoutout from @patent osprey cheers man
brittle owl
leaving us poop names behind
jagged pier
im still here just shiny
sour rain
Hey guys, so i managed to get a 210 shield from mists with 40 mastery and 26haste. Is it worth to upgrade it to 220 or should i ty to get the one from theatre of pain and upgrade that instead?
jagged pier
honestly dont try and min max that much you get more out the block from the higher shield than the stats
so if you have to run like far more dungeons just to get the ToP shield
i would cba tbh
modern brook
Especially if ur just replacing it with a 226 from the raid/box anyways
sour rain
Okay thanks, don´t really wanna do top 40+ times for a shield really
red tree
At this point just play what you get dealt. You'll be fine
You'll make yourself sick repeating dungeons ad nauseum
And just gtfo the game (like me!)
modern brook
Also frankly secondaries have a very small impact relative to one anotber
It straight doesn't matter until you start rnging into really lopsided weights
strong forum
Frankly, that's a secondary issue.
blazing condor
modern brook
smh how did @jagged pier get yellow before me
like he plays the class or something smh
sweet summit
when u get wr in super mario 64 ill make u get yellow @modern brook
modern brook
grats :^)
modern brook
when u get wr in super mario 64 ill make u get yellow <@!204081428869283843>
12 mins to go :^)
clear kraken
Hey everyone, what's the best race for m+ prot warrior?
jagged pier
it doesnt matter, if u really want to min max vulpera is busted
panda is chad tho as u can be chungus and double food buff
sick sentinel
why is vulpera busted?
vast sedge
I play female undead because the fantasy of a small brittle undead person tanking big boss hits gets me goin
jagged pier
why is vulpera busted?
its racials cant remeber what they are but it does a tone of healing @strong forum knows in more detail
sick sentinel
also mechagnome I assume is good
sweet summit
vulpara is good hps pad
" When you first take damage from an enemy, reduce that damage by 5% of your maximum health."
and if youre alliance dwarf is by far superior
jagged pier
thats the one couldnt remeber the DR percentage
sick sentinel
oh the aoe heal from vulpera
strong forum
not a heal
its damage reduction
every first attack you take from a new mob is reduced by like 4k
that shit ramps up quite a bit in keys, free damage reduction
and the one use racial, 1.5min can healcrit for like 20k, and has 40yards range thus also very good for pulling mobs
dawn canyon
So you're telling me i farmed out HM Tauren for nothing and have to do Vol'dun now 😅?
sick sentinel
1% versa is cool
reduced dmg taken by 180 idk what that means exactly
but it sounds made for tanks
sweet summit
Nah no sane person would willingly play a race as disgusting as vulpera 🤢
dawn canyon
Wowhead said it was a good tanking race so it's probably not too bad
Oh yeah Tauren>>>>>vulpera
frosty ridge
racials don't matter. if you're not playing best looking race - you're just wrong
patent osprey
Nah no sane person would willingly play a race as disgusting as vulpera 🤢
dead to me
but yes if you are ally and not playing dwarf, minus 2k io
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
you mean +2k io
dawn canyon
How's human?
jagged pier
dwarf exists
not only in necro weeks
any week
they have 2 kyrian pots on difference cds
dawn canyon
So it's just the bleed clear which makes them great?
also kinda just wins SLG, right?
sick sentinel
bleeds are badddd
sick sentinel
did they do that to prevent massive alliance shifts?
because I heard it was a pretty big thing before SL launched
jagged pier
nah they changed a lot of the mechanics to shadow dots not bleeds
but they stopped SLG for certain in mythic
works on HC
dawn canyon
they dont work on SLG mythic
Don't worry i still dont have my curve so that wont be an issue 😎
sick sentinel
shadow dots?\
jagged pier
kyrian pot works on SLG HC at least
something like that most changed from bleeds to does shadow damage
so cant cleanse
frosty ridge
you can also clear Carnage stacks from Remornia even on mythic
patent osprey
Dwarf is good on necro + Bursting weeks
dawn canyon
They are trying to get away from class/race stacking iirc
Not like that sub rogue on Zul thing
sick sentinel
oh the funneling ye
dawn canyon
Nathria at the start kinda had DK stacking though
But since that's getting a nerf we get more melee spots for warrior
sick sentinel
nzoth had fire mage stacking 😄
dawn canyon
Never been to nialotha but i hear immunities were popular
tame jasper
I will ever stay with my classic Tauren ❣️
willow delta
what ilvl would you recommend you for hc sire?
jagged pier
any you feel comfortable with
there isnt really a recommended ilvl for any content
if you feel fine doing it
then your the correct ilvl
willow delta
so i could tank it with 180? kk 😛
nah, i mean i'm getting hit quite hard on him, mostly remornia and her debuff apparently. any recommendations?
willow delta
1 wracking? doing that :/
jagged pier
you got any logs?
crisp dragon
I feel like using Reprisal on mythic Sire, should I?
jagged pier
im running it right now
crisp dragon
Might honestly try, I dont feel like wall is that fun anymore
jagged pier
last try was quite good now actually
right so big flaring issues you used SB 17 times in your final attempt
even when tanking remornia you need to have you SB up
willow delta
alright
minor lion
hey guys... I wanna play Prot and Fury. Mainly Prot... What covenant do I use. Maybe also considering 9.1 patches?
brittle dagger
sweet summit
Nf for now
willow delta
you didnt use LS ither
Am getting kinda used to using cd's still as tank, yeah. but holding it also until absolutly needed as well since i seem so squish sometimes. Thought I had used it that try... mh
same with reprisal, getting used to intervening, am a bit scared to charge into something hurtful 😄
but thanks for the little analysis
minor lion
do I lose on both sides? or is it a good compromise?
Everybody told me that Kyrian is best
but kyrian for Fury should be dogshit
jagged pier
Am getting kinda used to using cd's still as tank, yeah. but holding it also unt...
intervene has no minimum range so u can intervene melee or your cotank and wont move
brittle dagger
and is probably best for fury overall
crisp dragon
intervene has no minimum range so u can intervene melee or your cotank and wont ...
How's Reprisal on Denathrius?
jagged pier
Am getting kinda used to using cd's still as tank, yeah. but holding it also unt...
also a few things im raiding so just had a quick look your running AM which means your SW is 1:30 min cd
and u used it once
over the 6-7 mins of your pull
can get more uses
minor lion
so nf it is
sick sentinel
for the next 3 months yea
jagged pier
Am getting kinda used to using cd's still as tank, yeah. but holding it also unt...
and in general your casts are a bit low like i would execpt to see 12-14 cpms a min of Shield slam yours are at 10ish so your missing out on a lot of rage
and rage is great fro damage reduction
plus if u intervene more more rage as well
and if u LS as well
cause conduit
also get rid of brutal vitaily
its garbage
use stalwart instead
jagged pier
How's Reprisal on Denathrius?
fine for me but we not all the way through atm
willow delta
also get rid of brutal vitaily
actually got it because guides mentioned it as pretty neato
jagged pier
I feel like it might shine in p2
only progressing phase 2 right now seems fine its great in phase 1 but can say for phase 3
jagged pier
actually got it because guides mentioned it as pretty neato
ummm its our 3rd best endurance conduit not sure which guide your reading but 3rd best endurance and like 6th or 7th best conduit like covenant (expect venthyr) are better, rally and probably safeguard are better than it too but conduits are a bit subjective
but the strength of stalwart is because of repirsal u run AM so u get SW back nearly as fast as will the wall equiped to u get like 2 leggos in one basically
willow delta
wowhead guide, over in the conduit section
jagged pier
wowhead isnt bad, but icy veins is slightly better imo
but thing is IP isnt all that great so making it bigger is kinda meh
plus we do like no damage
so u not gunna get much extra absorb
sick sentinel
are we getting a new build today?
jagged pier
🤷
willow delta
what about shield block during off tank moments
heady pawn
only on sludgefist
willow delta
alright, so i got that right
jagged pier
i mean sludge has no down time
willow delta
had someone say once i should use it just for damage bonus on slam lol
heady pawn
ew
willow delta
yeah, but that was definitly not that
heady pawn
do we know if that last stand comdemn legendary extends bolsters shield block duration?
i couldnt find anything on it
sweet summit
it does not
heady pawn
fiddlesticks
brittle dagger
wait really
sweet summit
so it's dogshit
brittle dagger
thats shit
heady pawn
so in the bin it goes
brittle dagger
rip dreams
jagged pier
may change its PTR 🤷
sweet summit
🙏
heady pawn
it'd make such a good single target option 😦
hot oxide
It’s 3k dps good for mythic 9 and under?
Is*
I was under the impression that it would be 5k by 9
For dps classes, not prot Warriors
chilly brook
Yea that's probably good, most tanks aren't gonna hit 5k overall tbh
mighty valley
dps number changes a lot based on a lot of random stuff... 3k sounds acceptable for a 9, probably not great
but would need more info
i mean if the key was timed, dps was high enough
copper night
Does pride inflate DPS numbers? Isn’t it only like 20%? Feels like 3k would be low and put undue stress on tank/healer if you’re running with a regular group.
sturdy sable
It's 30% dam 60% movement and mana regen
It's often timed to line up with CDs/hero so yes it does inflate DPS numbers
strong forum
Pride doesn't exits in +9s lul
Entirely depends on the ilvl, 3k I'd say is alright dps if you're around 210 ilvl
sick sentinel
but pride is single target dps for a while which lowers dps again
strong forum
Between 200-210 ilvl
Also heavily depends on the dungeon in SL
And which cov you are
floral pewter
3k overall is not very good for a character over 200 ilvl, but it can depend on a lot of stuff besides how good the dps is
if the group wipes several times and the tank is pulling cautiously, that may be reasonable
strong forum
That's quite an unrealistic standard lul, if you're pulling 5k at around 226 ilvl, then 3k at 200-210 is perfectly reasonable
strong forum
I'm talking tank dps
sick sentinel
I think the guy wasnt
floral pewter
Airizzo asked "for DPS classes, not prot warriors"
3k as tank in a +9 is doing just fine
sick sentinel
or arms
strong forum
A 180 ilvl dps can already pull 5k dps in most dungeons
At 200 ilvl your average dps player with a "not broken" spec should do 4-5k dps
Emphasis on average
sick sentinel
nah 4k max
vocal bison
I would say it’s contingent on a tank not pulling a few mobs at a time and everyone else having enough gear for mobs to die relatively quickly.
Like a full group of ilvl 200 people ain’t gonna be doing 5k each at the end of a run unless they are well coordinated outside a pug.
floral pewter
yeah, varies a lot by spec, dungeon, and how big the tank pulls imx
like, on the same character in the same gear, I've ended runs at 4k or 6.5k
just based on how the run went
assuming the run goes reasonably well and they don't die a lot, expecting someone 200+ ilvl to do at least 4-5k is pretty reasonable though
broken mulch
How is mastery in raid? Got the huntsman neck on 226 but that thing if thick with mastery
mighty valley
it's about as ok as the other non-haste stats, what's your closest haste option
broken mulch
213 haste vers PvP neck
mighty valley
hmm, pretty big ilvl gap, the 226 almost definitely sims higher dps but survivability is a bit more feelycraft
some people here are very haste or die
sturdy sable
Well
The 13ilvls of Stam probably beats out the slight loss of haste considering the neck still has some haste on it
And mastery is still crit block
mighty valley
i mean, i would wear the 226 because i like big numbers, but stam isn't the biggest deal these days
broken mulch
How much % haste is a good point to aim for?
mighty valley
there aren't really breakpoints
more is better
but ilvl > all on pretty much all non-jewelry gear
broken mulch
AHH fair fair
lucid dew
What are the odds of prot being Meta in 9.1
carmine prawn
Probably the same chance as vdh not being meta in 9.1
vocal bison
Maybe we can be the off-meta meta
nova delta
Hey peeps! Probably not that big, but I wanted to give a huge shoutout to this entire Discord community. Because of you all, I got my new prot warrior alt to KSM within 4 weeks of dinging 60, where one of them was that stupid Necrotic/Bolstering one. Thank you all for being patient and helpful!
carmine prawn
Maybe we can be the off-meta meta
Does that make us double meta? Since the word meta appeared twice
vocal bison
we’d be meta for everyone other than the losers that just play the meta
carmine prawn
Happy for you, Preacher!! Grats on ksm!!
vocal bison
Grats!
vocal bison
Does that make us double meta? Since the word meta appeared twice
It makes sense if you don’t think about it.
carmine prawn
Just thought of it and it made me smile... for a moment
winged lotus
Secret meta
floral pewter
I'm honestly surprised that there aren't more "meta DH" puns based on the ability Metamorphosis
sturdy sable
After all of BFA they finally became the Meta(morphosis) tank
floral pewter
"demon hunters usually have 10-20% meta uptime, but due to certain tuning bugs, they instead remained meta for all of patch 9.0"
sturdy sable
Are they meta squared when they pop metamorphosis
bright fossil
hello all i was wondering about the cardboard assassin ( engineer ) how does it work , like does it work on m+ mobs and boss it taunts everything for 5 sec or what ?
sweet summit
Its 3 seconds i think, doesnt work on bosses
bright fossil
thx g
urban portal
its still super good
lime silo
Does the mechagnome racial work the same way?
balmy coral
Why am I doing less damage in fortified than tyrannical?
sweet summit
Rotational mistakes most likely, and we'd need logs to identify those. But it's probably you not using revenge often enough
undone verge
Why am I doing less damage in fortified than tyrannical?
is it possible your not pulling as big in fort? also I know talents are better during fort and vice versa.
plus I feel like tanks take more dmg in fort weeks overall so maybe your dumping more rage into defensive abilities like ignore pain
floral pewter
Why am I doing less damage in fortified than tyrannical?
if you're pulling more conservatively for Inspiring+Fortified, that could do it
a
although last week specifically you had to be even more conservative, so idk
also, 💪
with a 1480 score lol
sweet summit
jagged pier
light sorrel
Does anyone ever play Bolster over AM in M+? I feel a bit squishy at 192 ilvl but I can definitely also work on my shield block uptime
sweet summit
if you unironically feel like you need higher SB uptime to survive, i think HR would be the play
light sorrel
I'm still learning the spec so my SB uptime overall in my last dungeon was only like 60%
so I feel like it should be higher first before I explore Bolster?
sweet summit
ya i mean raw uptime is irrelevant
light sorrel
Well, it's uptime while fighting
sweet summit
still irrelevant
light sorrel
Then what should I be looking at?
sweet summit
blocked hits
light sorrel
I'll log my next dungeon then, I guess
sweet summit
sounds good mate
tame jasper
Does anyone ever play Bolster over AM in M+? I feel a bit squishy at 192 ilvl bu...
Yes, because I‘m still struggeli g to improve my Blocked-Hits-Amount 😦 I just don‘t get it done right 😦
light sorrel
I think of Bolster as saying "2 minute CD, 15 seconds of 40%+ reduced damage taken."
sweet summit
i dont think block is 40% even with 233 shield in mythic dungeons 🤔
light sorrel
My current block is 34.55%
and I'm below ilvl 200
I'm not talking block chance but block amount
sweet summit
what ilvl is ur shield rn?
misty charm
fun question: what holds us back from being meta?
modern brook
literally nothing
light sorrel
Well, casters in MDI talk about Warrior being good in some dungeons but DH gives damage to Mage/Priest/Ele so if they're tied, no reason not to bring them
sweet summit
MDI =! retail keys
light sorrel
I understand but MDI comps are also super good in retail keys
You're telling me that DH/Paladin/Mage/Boomkin/DK isn't a good retail key comp?
modern brook
you dont have a rogue
:^)
misty charm
i have no idea about MDI level of keys but for ~18s i feel soo strong. i can just stand there tanking 10 mobs and outdps the dd's 
sweet summit
afaik we're not meta because DH is tankier overall and provides insane utility with sigils and 5% magic that synergizes great with current dps meta
sweet summit
yeah true
modern brook
Not super relevant with current layouts but it has uses in all dungeons
sweet summit
for clarification to any lurkers or something, we're talking the highest of high keys. not your average weekly key/+24 key or w/e
literally any tank is playable up to a very high level few people will ever reach
misty charm
ye, imprison is soo nice, wish we had something similar so i dont have to relly on my hunters freezing traps for picking out inspired mobs
cause i can tell you, that dude cant aim his traps for shit
sweet summit
LMAO
misty charm
he sometimes literally throws the trap like 1 lying troll short so
light sorrel
Why do you need a Rogue? For Shroud?
sweet summit
insane utility and cc
misty charm
cloak for immunity
light sorrel
As someone who plays Outlaw, does 6k DPS overall on 15s, and does tons of CC, you don't need a Rogue
sweet summit
you dont in low keys, no
light sorrel
The Rogue just does what the group needs to do on it's own
misty charm
you defently dont need a rogue
light sorrel
but you can just have good party members that do what a Rogue does
Rogue is only if your party sucks and you need someone to carry
sweet summit
but if you want to time any high ToP key you definitely need a rogue
brazen surge
Hello all, I recently returned to WoW and have bum rushed gearing my warrior. My guild managed to do Heroic Sire with me tanking but I feel as though I just take a ton of damage throughout that fight. Do any of you feel similarly? I’m currently running the wall and have been debating on reprisal but all the moving it requires has deterred me. Any thoughts? I’m using shield block on full cooldown and ignore pain when shield block is down.
sweet summit
do u have logs?
misty charm
but im always happy to have one since he can solo carry cc's / kicks etc
light sorrel
Yeah, for sure, Fabio. Rogue can carry a group because they can do everything but you can also just have good players
misty charm
yea totally
brazen surge
Yes, one moment. I died at 14%. Enjoy the laugh! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xzqg96vkV1Lp3THR/
misty charm
hence why im saying, you dont need a rogue, but i like having one
sweet summit
:/
brazen surge
I appreciate it @sweet summit . I only returned to help my friends out. So I want to make sure I am in top.top shape for them.
sweet summit
do you have any weak auras to help track shield block duration/cooldown?
looking at your blocked hits, they're quite low
im looking at the kill atm
you didnt use last stand once, despite being talented into bolster
also only one use of banner :(
light sorrel
Necrolord banner?
sweet summit
yeah
jagged pier
shield slam casts are really low as well
sweet summit
you're using organ from plaugefall, but never activating it to get the heal. which leaves you with an awful stamina stat stick
brazen surge
Wow... I must be turning my back while running as well. I was about to pop LS before I died.:/. Definitely a lot to improve on. I just have the general tracked one from the general aura on WA.
jagged pier
last stand doesnt show up on your cast lists
sweet summit
yeah, you didnt use fleshcraft either
pro tip
you can fleshcraft pre pull
and it stays
light sorrel
I believe you can also block/parry during Fleshcraft and you get the 20% wall?
brazen surge
JESUS. I was hella bad. Big yikes.
light sorrel
Also, any thoughts on the Safeguard Finesse for using on your OT during heavy damage fights like Sire?
or Sludge or whatever
sweet summit
nah, inspiring presence>safeguard in any raid scenario
if you have two finesses for some reason then you run both aye
light sorrel
Hmm, I really like the passive reduction
brazen surge
I really appreciate you guys highlighting this for me though. When it is laid out, it is much easier to see that I’m acting like Golem with my CD’s.
light sorrel
I'll consider running it, but I like it a ton
sweet summit
another pro tip
you can spell reflect blood price
spell reflect also acts like a 25% magic damage reduction as long as its active
so stuff like the boss/sword teleporting to you (inevitable) deals less damage to you if you have spell reflect active
wait inevitable is physical nvm
brazen surge
Do you have any suggestions on addons I should grab over just the general WA?
sweet summit
well, anything thats not brown here is magic damage. so spell reflect works like a damage reduction on them. except for smoldering ire and blood price, which will consume spell reflect and give you an "immunity" for a tick
Weak Auras, and DBM/BW are the main ones
brazen surge
Is bigwigs better than dbm or nah? Any specific WA I should look into? No lie? I always thought it was just to reflect an ability and no other reduction.
sweet summit
its just prefrence, i prefer big wigs for instance
weak auras are also mostly personal prefrence
but there are some great ones like a package for castle nathria/dungeons and co-tank weak auras, to help you track certain mechanics/debuffs etc
brazen surge
I am going to look into these and try and rectify this. Like I said, I came back to WoW for my friends. So I want to get this down pat.
I appreciate your time to reply.
sweet summit
no worries mate, dont be afraid to ask any further questions
brazen surge
Have a good night!
sweet summit
its 9 am :v)
jagged pier
its 8 am C:
light sorrel
It's 7am D:
sweet summit
how does it feel living in the past
orchid garden
Is bigwigs better than dbm or nah? Any specific WA I should look into? No lie? I...
It basically comes down to which developers got the most correct timers faster. Depending on the content it sometimes is dbm and sometimes bigwigs. Some top10 guilds used bigwigs, because you could set your own timers.
For any casual raiders it shouldn’t matter at all.
strong forum
Dbm is partnered with limit since nyalotha, so it'll be updated much faster compared how dbm got their timers before that
Bigwigs has writers and timers from echo, so those timers will be updated quickly aswell
So now it's just down to personal preference
south yarrow
Dbm is partnered with limit since nyalotha, so it'll be updated much faster comp...
They are no longer partnered afaik
fossil yarrow
is there anyone thinking about switching to NF for 9.1?
jagged pier
i mean NF is arguable the best cov right now for m+
median tulip
I'm considering switching away from Venthyr, but not sure if I'm going Kyrian or NF yet
jagged pier
if i didnt raid i would be NF
median tulip
Probably Kyrian tho
fossil yarrow
well but pelagos mastery bonus and new permanent mastery bonus if someone is near you is not bad as well
but Niya still seems stronger
jagged pier
mastery has gained value thanks to reprisal but its just bought it into line with crit and vers tbh
its not that big a deal
kyrian could be busted we still dont know that the kyrian leggo is
and mikanios makes spear a 40 sec cd
and as all of the covenant leggos interact with the ability so far we can presume it will do something with spear
fossil yarrow
well if the banner leggo will stay how it is, it will be must go anyway
jagged pier
well it only extends your buff
sweet summit
u can get up to and maybe even beyond 70 seconds
ionic fern
You can.
But you need good RNG.
Any "i'm not in range of the enemy" and you're already cucked.
fossil yarrow
think it will be hard to decide which covenant to go in 9.1
fossil yarrow
well same applies for NF, if you are not standing withing aftershock, its useless
fossil yarrow
i was thinking more to just level one covenant up before 9.1 to have two ready. its pretty fast now, but fml with campaign
ionic fern
It's Kyrian/NF for me.
Cba doing more.
Go for Necro if you think it'll fit you.
👍
strong forum
see: <https://www.patreon.com/posts/dbm-march-update-48472762>
Wtf
still pagoda
strong forum
F
brittle dagger
was looking on io and andyclap seems to use into the fray and heavy repercussions on a lot of dungeons has anyone tried it?
strong forum
BW is easier to look at if you know what mechanics do
sweet summit
ye i tried it once
brittle dagger
or is it big mem build
surreal zealot
In my opinion there are no noticeable change but I prefer BW by far after trying both addon
brittle dagger
so im guessing you take into the fray for more devestator procs?
to try prolong sb for as long as possible
blazing condor
i think DBM works fine
then im not in a hardcore guild so it might be a difference
surreal zealot
Sure
brittle dagger
might have to try it at some point then cheers all
blazing condor
I thought that i'd suffer more from not using ravager but the difference isn't really noticable
threat is no problem and rage isnt a big issue
brittle dagger
well ive been using bolster on SD
jade tartan
Guys, regarding our secondary stat prio, we go Haste > Vers > Mastery, but is there any soft cap on Haste ?
brittle dagger
to help with the gauntlet and longer big pulls
jade tartan
Like 20% p.e.
sweet summit
no softcap really
jade tartan
Or should you always keep stacking haste
sweet summit
just ilvl>haste>vers
jade tartan
Okok, ty
brittle dagger
do we prio vers for high pushing keys
blazing condor
techincally yes but its not as big as it looks
you can do like base 22s without any high vers
misty charm
its lazy-mode
how so?
jade tartan
Also, still no news on 9.1's release right?
People still aiming it for late July ? :\
blazing condor
how so?
in the sense that you dont really have to think to play well - aka having perma SB uptime. You lose on dps and Shield Wall to achieve something you could still get by playing properly without the build*
But i still found it a nice build to run
sweet summit
itf without hr is dumb yeah
ravager is playable with hr tho, but why
blazing condor
Just try things out and see how they feel tbh
Andyclap is #1 running this build so its definitely not bad
(then again he's playing with a coordinated group)
sweet summit
ye i mean its very close to 100% effective sb uptime
blazing condor
You can most likely make any build work if you're good enough of a player
misty charm
itf without hr is dumb yeah
ravager is playable with hr tho, but why
just wanna try different stuff out
blazing condor
I need to log my runs more to see how much SB i actually get
compared to the "standard" build
im pretty sure my uptime is kind of dog on the standard build though cus im lazy
but i havent really been pushing high enough keys where i felt it completely necessary to keep the uptime and not just rage dump for dps
misty charm
do you run war machine on explosive weeks btw?
sweet summit
i dont
blazing condor
doubt its worth it really
brittle dagger
tanks do explosives?
misty charm
doing explosives with autoattacks gives me ptsd
yes ofc tanks do
tanks and healers
brittle dagger
nope me only renvenj
novel lotus
yoinking explosives seems so much easier on my brm
misty charm
👀
brittle dagger
@sweet summit taught me well
novel lotus
but the ranged ones aren't bad with the ol mouseover heroic throw
blazing condor
i miss the victory rush explosives
sweet summit
revenj
misty charm
Ye thats why i was thinking to go war machine
blazing condor
EZ charge/heroic throws though
its everyones job to do explosives but if you get them at a burst-window for your dps you gotta haul ass
jade tartan
Guys, how's Face your Foes vs First Strike ?
misty charm
First strike is a ton of dmg
and face your foes is only 3% dmg reduction
i personally always go for first strike in keys
because most of the times when i die a 3% dmg reduction wouldnt have saved me in the first place
carmine prawn
Is revenge able to cleave explosives?
sweet summit
no
carmine prawn
Heroic throw?
sweet summit
yes, but it has a minimum range
carmine prawn
Ouch
Muscle still not accustom to heroic throw having minimum range. Still spamming it like moonfire till i realise no projectile is flying out
jagged pier
that is weak my son
jagged pier
its alright didnt like loose around 1k dps tho
jagged pier
☝️
brittle dagger
ok now i feel noob
jagged pier
was gunna say i think mwahis done at least 86% with repirsal alone
ionic fern
Si.
brittle dagger
cool rerolling back to druid nice knowing you boys
ionic fern
This was only like a +17 tho iirc.
brittle dagger
jagged pier
keep working at it youll get there
ionic fern
I just don't enjoy the HR build tho. .much rather play with AM for the flow.
And i'm not missing the extra SB up-time in the keys i'm doing so it's w/e.
brittle dagger
i defo made some mistakes there but seems like you could nearly have 100% uptime with that surely
brittle dagger
at one point i had like 16 seconds on my sb and had charge of sb ready
ionic fern
Close to it yes.
And then you realise "Wait...the deadly stuff in dungeons is actually not blockable..dang".
brittle dagger
my best with just reprisal but ive never managed to get close to this since
thats crazy jesus
carmine prawn
Does the shield block timer stack if i press it twice?
jagged pier
its best not to stack them imo
gleaming oracle
as i nightfae prot warrior do i pick niya or koryan (spelling iz bad..)?
gleaming oracle
only m+
sweet summit
korayn with first strike for damage, niya with burrs for a bit of both
median tulip
Is revenge able to cleave explosives?
You can cleave off explosives, but you can't cleave onto them. have a mouseover macro for Devastate (and one for Heroic throw to deal with ones at range)
median tulip
oh point
sweet summit
we have auto attacks/ss/hc throw
i dont think its worth talenting out of devastator for explosive weeks
median tulip
Personally I loathe Devastator, so I'm not really changing anything
sweet summit
jagged pier
misty charm
87% is like solid Reprisal usage.
wait how, do you constantly jump out and charge in like a maniac? 👀
strong forum
With reprisal I had like 86% blocked hits in mists
With wall + bolster i got like 77%
Back in January
:chad:
misty charm
How do i look at my SB uptime like that? 👀
sweet summit
logs
sweet summit
you -> damage taken -> melee -> to the right, mouseover "hits"
misty charm
is there a summary for hits or do i have to look at them individually?
strong forum
Literally what erga said
Just do this
Although you can't see my cursor cuz I'm on phone
misty charm
ah im stoopid i clicked on meele
hey i got 80% SB uptime with rep.
i thought it would be way worse
strong forum
If that is with AM that's solid
misty charm
it is
standart build, Dev, Double Time, BSC, Crackling, indomi, Rav and AM
was in SD
sweet summit
brittle dagger
today was the day i learned my bag of tricks has been damaging instead of healing
sweet summit
thats what you get for playing vulpera smh
brittle dagger
misty charm
ew vulpera
strong forum
Mouseover
brittle dagger
ive macrod it into healing pot
strong forum
Wha
brittle dagger
so i get about 15k
misty charm
👀
strong forum
I would use it on friendlies, much more often than on myself
Mouseover is huge for bags of tricks
strong forum
Shit can crit for 20k
misty charm
healing pots do not share CD with Stealth and pre pots right?
strong forum
Yes
misty charm
but with Lock HS, right?
strong forum
No
sweet summit
nope
strong forum
It's it's on CD
misty charm
soo im an idiot, right?
sweet summit
misty charm
i never bothered with health pots because i have a lock in my groupp
TIL im an idiot
strong forum
Healthstone is seperate, healthpot is seperate, kyrian phial is seperate, combat pot is seperate
misty charm
my healer is gona be one happy boi
brittle dagger
combat and invis share tho right
sweet summit
ya
sweet summit
bring back 1 min cd pots
brittle dagger
yep lol
strong forum
Bring back 1min CD 1min duration pots
sweet summit
tru
misty charm
stop i cant even afford 5 min prepots
sweet summit
UF still works
strong forum
Or OP pots like old war
brittle dagger
nah bring back awakened season affix smh
sweet summit
and if youre venthyr u can get UF pot for 3 minutes 
brittle dagger
those were the days
misty charm
UF?
misty charm
but fairys
sweet summit
i read night fae
misty charm
if i check on raider io in the top 20 are like 15 kyrians 4 venthyr and 1 night fae
i always thought for m+ its NF > Kyrian > Necro > Venth
sweet summit
and less dps specs go kryian than nf to gain access to the dungeon buffs
misty charm
i see
misty charm
i tend to offspec fury tho, so i guess nightfae would still be the smarter move right?
sweet summit
yea
misty charm
also i like my 20k dps as tank on big pull in the opener
sweet summit
misty charm
and then be out of rage because too much revenge spam and die
amber herald
that's correct warrior gameplay if you ask me
misty charm
True
misty charm
wheres your charge?
misty charm
and rav
brittle dagger
its fine
brittle dagger
😂
ionic fern
wait how, do you constantly jump out and charge in like a maniac? 👀
Soulshape
Stun->Run
Leap
Just charge to some caster who isn't moving anyways-.
Many ways.
lavish hare
Can anyone tell what mythic+ lvl will a 224 ilvl tank be able to play at start of 9.1?
10’s?
jagged pier
any you feel comfortable tanking
blazing condor
I dont remember how it's been the past seasons of m+
jagged pier
15 are usually like old 20s
blazing condor
i think personally i went from doing 15s to like 10s
but i was a bit of a nub back then
strong forum
Small caveat, normal raid ilvl will already be higher than current mythic
So we might see a bigger increase in difficulty in key stones
When in bfa old mythic = new normal
blazing condor
damn i didnt know they did that
strong forum
But in 9.1,normal raid ilvl will be what, 240? So the increase in ilvl is very high
I could be wrong on this, but I remember losing my shit for a second about smth like that a few days ago
Nvm
Seems its in line with the usual trend of normal = old mythic
So, you can expect a 30% raise in base m0 difficulty, which will translate into m+ and the changed K values
So as Jakey said, if you can time 20s right now, you will probably time 15s in 9.1 right away (depending on the new seasonal affix this will be harder or easier)
lavish hare
So as Jakey said, if you can time 20s right now, you will probably time 15s in 9...
Thanks
I’m still on 15/16’s so I will prob be around 10 ish
quasi zodiac
new to prot warr, Do I always do ignore pain?
ionic fern
No.
quasi zodiac
When do I pop it?
ionic fern
When you need it.
quasi zodiac
Ok so its more of a panic button? Dont need at 100% up?
ionic fern
misty charm
basically: have shieldblock up > you want dmg? Revenge.. you want defense? Ignore pain
quasi zodiac
Ok nice thanks. I have this idea that ignore pain should be up 100% of the time
ionic fern
Most of your Rage will go into Revenges.
Consider IP as a rage dump - use it when:
1)You are about to overcap rage - it's off GCD.
2)You're taking only unblockable damage.
3)You want to help smooth out your damage intake due to healer being busy with healing others.
quasi zodiac
Thanks Mwahi. So the damage buffer on ignore pain has no duration right?
strong forum
12sec
quasi zodiac
Thanks!
ocean bloom
keen star
that brings back legion memories
exotic rapids
Hey, Shadowcore Oil or stones for m+? What are you guys using?
fathom spindle
What trinkets would you guys recommend in raids?
fathom spindle
Yeah, i guess it’s time to upgrade the Phial then ☺️
Just unsure about my second trink
plush tendon
Whatever is the cheapest to buy from the AH
misty charm
Yeah, i guess it’s time to upgrade the Phial then ☺️
Just unsure about my secon...
depends on what your alternatives are i guess
there are some reccomendations on the wowhead guide
fathom spindle
Alright, but yeah, feels like i oughta take trinkets that deal damage over defensive ones atm.
Casual guild, so we only done 5 Mythic bosses.
Even though my Warrior is like 9 days old, it feels like defensive trinkets are useless atm, because If we whipe, it’s due to other things.
Ive ran Splintered and Stone legion just in case, but i think i’ll upgrade my Phial, and maybe try to get the haste one from SoA
misty charm
Alright, but yeah, feels like i oughta take trinkets that deal damage over defen...
well you just answered yourself 😄
fathom spindle
Touché 😂
Thanks man 🙂
misty charm
youre welcome
jagged pier
Alright, but yeah, feels like i oughta take trinkets that deal damage over defen...
if u want 2 dps trinkets i recommend hynmal and decanter after phial
misty needle
how good is prot rn?
amber herald
good
misty needle
i’m currently venth and wanted to know how much i’m handicapping myself if i don’t swap
floral pewter
covenant is not super important for prot, you can be venthyr and do just fine
misty needle
i see
floral pewter
Pika has been all four covenants while world #1 prot warrior, and cleared high keys in all of them
jade tartan
We expecting any changes on which tank is fotm in 9.1?
Or will VDH still dominate the meta?
crisp dragon
After the 10% execute damage buff, Warrior is huuuge FOTM ❤️ ❤️
jade tartan
The M+ meta*
chilly brook
Eh
Execute will be nice
We're not gonna be "meta" until for whatever reason andy/nerf and others decide warrior has a specific benefit other tanks dont bring to their push groups
crystal nova
hello guys, i am trying to find a wa or something for spell reflect that says dont int spell reflect is up. Can someone help me?
chilly brook
You could just make a macro
steep oracle
^
jagged pier
more chance ppl with see it
jagged pier
yus
blazing condor
anyone know if Show Of Force or Ashen Juggernaut is better ST dps?
lavish oracle
Honestly, if balance druid stops being meta and cardboard assassin gets nerfed, warrior and bear could see a lot more play
mental scarab
Just remove all bleeds and magic dmg in dungeons and we are legends
wild hemlock
After the 10% execute damage buff, Warrior is huuuge FOTM ❤️ ❤️
lmaooo
wild hemlock
Honestly, if balance druid stops being meta and cardboard assassin gets nerfed, ...
their kit is so good though
dapper hornet
Hello fellow warriors
I'm new to warrior and i made a mag'har orc so i kinda skipped the introduction to warrior
Im going to level on legion as a prot warrior for faster lfg times
i was making my artifact quest and i kinda noticed i never really had fury
how can i build fury at low levels?
rage i mean
solid cairn
use SS on cd and TC on cd, don't waste it on IP
dapper hornet
what's tc and ip? i dont think i have those yet
wild hemlock
!pins
strong forum
there is no secret, like kiwol said, just use shieldslam and thunderclap on CD and never press ignore pain unless youre taking shitloads of damage
wild hemlock
sorry thought i was in ele channel lmaooo. when you !pins the penguins from madagascr pop up
gilded tendonBOT
wild hemlock
what's tc and ip? i dont think i have those yet
oh lord he has a gnome child avatar pic
undone verge
how can i build fury at low levels?
warrior really is about keeping sb uptime and dumping into ignore pain, so i'd just say pop your abilities like demo shout, avatar, and ravage once you get higher level on cd, making sure you use shield slam and thunderclap on cd too, but at lower levels it can be hard to generate rage because you have lower values like haste and dont have some abilities that generate rage
chilly brook
cheers man, i believe you will join the yellows boys soon
I'm mainly joking about that if I do I do if I don't I don't I'll still be around doing my best to deliver accurate info
undone verge
what's tc and ip? i dont think i have those yet
tc-thunderclap sb-shield block ip-ignore pain
jagged pier
I'm mainly joking about that if I do I do if I don't I don't I'll still be aroun...
thats all I do and hope the info is accurate
mighty valley
you'll get more rage when you're tanking in dungeons and getting hit by more than one thing
undone verge
yeah since rage generation is based on damage taken and damage done
dapper hornet
warrior really is about keeping sb uptime and dumping into ignore pain, so i'd j...
you're talking about skills i dont have T-T
im lvl 11 😄
but once i get them ill take that i count
in*
mighty valley
just keep leveling, all you have for rage right now is charge, shield slam, and auto attacks
but soon you'll get revenge which is free sometimes, and then devastate which is a filler ability, so you'll always have something to do
polar radish
Are you telling me you press less buttons when you haven't unlocked all your buttons yet?!
undone verge
but soon you'll get revenge which is free sometimes, and then devastate which is...
devastate is kinda meh, taking the devastate talent is usually better
mighty valley
we're talking level 14 here
fierce field
At lower levels it'll give you a button to press
And you'll likely want warmachine while questing, as you're likely to get a lot of killing blows yourself to move from mob to mob.
undone verge
true, but he is talking more dungeons, and the question was phrased more long term
still pagoda
eyir cocks
eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
still pagoda
thank you, Eyir
chilly brook
Eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
jagged pier
eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
jagged pier
thank you eyir
chilly brook
Eyir sucks
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @chilly brook
jagged pier
:bonk :
jagged pier
eyir rocks
gilded tendonBOT
thank u @jagged pier
mild lintel
I don’t have time to play more than one character but, I just can’t seem to figure out which one I want to main.
I have it down to:
Protection Paladin
vs
Protection Warrior
I just can’t seem to figure out which one I should commit to...
sick sentinel
Eyir is super cool and I think she’s a great bot
misty charm
For me personally prot warrior is more fun. But Prot pala can carry the group with dispells, bubbles and heals but i feel like the pala rota is quite boring
sick sentinel
Sadness
steep bone
Guys, dratnos routes suck, do you have some better ones? 15s and such, mostly pugging so without "advanced" skips included. I would appriciate ❤️
jagged pier
he does do non skip routes
as well
but tbh the best way is to make your own routes
you'll be much more comfortable
and from there the key will be an easier time
like in 19s i pug ppl try and give me route in the end we go my route and time 90%+ of the time
high folio
For me personally prot warrior is more fun. But Prot pala can carry the group wi...
prot pally damage make me angy
why cant warriors shield bonk like them
mad
fierce field
I find building your own routes helps you understand why you're going the way you are too. When I look at somebody elses route I always question what they were thinking. Then again I went and looked at my PF route I built 2 months ago and wondered what I was thinking then too 🙂
distant crystal
jagged pier
its not bad even better with earth elel leggo
fierce field
I think the rsham i run with is doing 800 - 1k overall depending on the dungeon, and how much damage i'm taking.
lofty widget
resto shamans have great burst, but their sustain isnt nearly as high as pala
weak dune
122 dps on hakkar means he's just sitting there not even trying "cause i'm a healer not a dps"
chilly brook
For me personally prot warrior is more fun. But Prot pala can carry the group wi...
I find it quite the opposite actually, you get to a point where you actually have to pay attention to your holy power spending because if you hit sotr while above 8 seconds you're wasting it essentially but you hit a point abdte you have more holy power than is required to maintain SotR so you start having to weave WoGs in
chilly brook
prot pally damage make me angy
I find my aoe damage is highest on my warrior
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
marble ridge
Hey dudes, what is roughly the effective cd of shield wall if Anger mangement and the wall
single target raid sorta deal
chilly brook
Potentially 1m
marble ridge
ty
chilly brook
Lots goes into it though
Shield slam resets etc.
For example on hunstman I have 3 casts on a 4:25 fight
But I'm not casting it at the start
So cant really give you a 100% accurate answer but it should be roughly in the 1 minute range
Old log
But here ya go
Probably could cut another 20 seconds off if I did it now
chilly brook
^
short kiln
Thanks to Jakeys vid on log reading I realized that I have a lot of work to do on using my defensive CDs more often. Knowing that SW is functionally a 1.5 ish min CD is really helpful since you are going to have it up for every pack if playing right which means you don't have to save it for an OH Shit moment.
Tldr; thanks Jakey.
jagged pier
no probs thats what its there for
i also under use SW and Demo
do what i say, not what i do and youll do better than me
short kiln
Lol. Working on it. Went back through my logs and noticed that I'm also wasting rage by the bucketful despite me feeling like I'm over slamming revenge.
That's the NF PW life though.
Especially when you use both ravager and AA at the same time.
jagged pier
yer when you have a lot of rage gen
it actually worth to spend a bit in IP
I get to much rage just to revenge with
short kiln
Was thinking that too actually.
I may also have an unhealthy obsession with beating at least one DPS on the meters each dungeon run...
jagged pier
thats true i guess
short kiln
I have been using it as a means to make my regular DPS friends try harder
Since some of them need that "motivation"
I dunno man.... The TANK beat you... Guess you should pump harder...
If I'm 4th, then I was trying to stay alive to keep healer happu more than anything or my team were all pumping.
Both of those are wins imo
fierce field
if you're all of a similar ilvl you should be 4th. It felt great in 8.3 with EV3 before the nerf and being top... at least for me, but the DPS hated it.
and if i was constantly beating the dps now, i'd probably find different dps to group with 🙂
short kiln
Yeah I'm about 5 ilvl higher than my ret pally buddy and I'm consistently getting above him.
That said, I'm starting to push higher with a different group and succeeding to time keys so....
jagged pier
i dunno it kind of also depends on skill lvl