protection

[analog swift]

but what's the best way to determine if you/howmany times you were hit by both melee and giant fists on sludge

[grizzled forge]

so right now im on mythic sire and i currently have 31% vers with around 23% haste with ITF up. i can switch my gear around a bit to have around 20% vers and 32% haste with ITF up what would be better?

so basically base im 31% vers 14% haste and with switching gear around id be 20% vers 20% haste before ITF

[plush tendon]

Higher I level: otherwise, Haste>Vers

Honestly, its not worth to think too much on %stats even on Mythic Sire; the most important thing is proper play and correct usage of defensives

[grizzled forge]

well im like 227 in both sets of gear just one gives me 31% vers and 14% haste with out ITF and the other puts me at 20% vers and 20% haste with out ITF

[signal plover]

2nd option is better

[strong forum]

Logs

[steep wraith]

I ran bolster and reprisal and could have blocked 100% of melee swings using that setup, so I think it's better than the wall is on that fight just due to how easy it is to make use of charge and intervene.

[patent osprey]

Ill also be playing some prot. Just messing with Brew-MW-Arms-Frost Mage - Sin Rogue atm.
We are also gonna try Prot war - MW - BM Hunter- Frost mage- Sin Rogue

[sick sentinel]

!ptr

where bot

[strong forum]

No bot

[subtle island]

I take aggro on pull because of condemn, but then monk pulls ahead (or taunts, I don't really know), so how can you tell if we're getting double hit if we have a mix of double fists/melee?

[strong forum]

Except eyir, she sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @strong forum

[subtle island]

Check both I suppose

[strong forum]

You won't get double hit unless you intervene your cotank or no-one else is in range of getting giant fist

[subtle island]

Ye just wondering with regards to that question -- never been an issue for me

[strong forum]

You'd have to check the events timeline

Under dmg taken

But there is no "you got hit X many times by giant fist and melee in the same global" statistic

Cuz you'll know

[subtle island]

Ah ye good shout

[jagged pier]

eyir socks

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[jagged pier]

thanks eyir

[strong forum]

But most importantly

Eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[jagged pier]

i didnt know about that one 👀

[strong forum]

Much to learn you have

[jagged pier]

true

i dont even know where the uninstall button is

[chilly brook]

Kekw

@jagged pier I need you to slap me, I'm considering going BrM if we get a warrior next tier

[river niche]

Opinions on reprisal necrolord in mythic raid fights?

I'm night fae currently

[chilly brook]

Why would you even want to go necrolord

[river niche]

Well that's what I'm asking. Necro has benefits to others dps. Gives me anither defensive. Gives me mastery boost and also generates rage. I like night fae for the burst dmg and rage generation. Is it worth going necro to give friends that buff?

[ionic maple]

As someone who kinda likes necro prot, what's the best soulbind? I'm seeing stuff I like in each but not sure if theres something I'm missing

Marileth eating corpses is amazing, but heimir healing capstone looks good too

[chilly brook]

1. in what world do you need fleshcraft
2. the mastery buff that you could get anyways just by being NF and pressing your ability?
3. aftershock generates rage
4. sure it CAN benefit your dps players assuming the fight actually allows for it and it goes to the right people at the right time

TLDR necro is a pain in the ass and is only competitive if you consistently buff the classes that need said mastery

[ionic maple]

I like the banner for the self mastery and the 15-25+% strength buf

And fleshcraft is less about the shield with marileth and more about constant uptime on several buffs

[chilly brook]

@river niche what level of content are you doing?

[river niche]

Mythic raid

[chilly brook]

1/10, 4/10, 7/10? Do you have really good players that could even take advantage of the buff? More importantly are those good players even playing a spec that would benefit?

[frosty ridge]

does the banner buff go to random raid members or who's in your party in that raid

[river niche]

Also I play night fae. Been playing night fae. I don't need to know what night fae does, I don't know a thing about necro. Im asking what if the benefits outweigh nfs by any considerable margin

Im 6/10

Progging council

Was dps

Switching to tank

It goes to the closest players when you pop banner

So affy lock and boomy preferably standing in a spot I can leap or intervene or step towards everytime its up or saved for certain part in fight.

[chilly brook]

Outweigh no

Its considerable effort to make Necro actually worth it

And if it's a boomie you're not going to be using it everytime it's up

You're going to be waiting for their CA

[river niche]

Even when combined with reprisal? Because I mean it rales effort to make that outweigh the wall too

What's banners cd?

[frosty ridge]

sounds like a huge hassle tbh

and not too feasible on most prog fights

[river niche]

I could see benefits on both council and Sludgefist.

[frosty ridge]

sludge is too position demanding for manipulating that

[river niche]

Banner during haste buff running back from dance. Banner on pillars

[chilly brook]

You realize

On council

You're stacked with everyone yea?

[river niche]

Not when running back

[chilly brook]

And its gonna be a meme on sludgefist

Since the times you'd wanna pop it you're stuck soaking

And so are your dps

[river niche]

Yes but from what I've seen you send groups of 4 to soak

[frosty ridge]

yea I just imagine all my prog fights, it's too much of hassle. I'd love for it to be party locked instead

[river niche]

Put me in the boomy and lock group

Solved

[sick sentinel]

will spell reflection make us #1 in mythic+ again as time goes on?

[chilly brook]

No tanks soak one corner by themselves

[chilly brook]

Probably not

[river niche]

Ya you right qctually

[chilly brook]

By all means if you wanna run necro you can

[sick sentinel]

what made it so strong in bfa dungeons

more bosses straight up casting?

[river niche]

Let's say I did run it, are there op conduits?

[chilly brook]

It's just not gonna be super straight forward

You're gonna run the strength conduit for banner

Probably run emeni

[river niche]

Got ya

[chilly brook]

Several things like bowered power and the fact that 90% of the dungeons were blockable physical damage

[modern brook]

^ mostly that

turns out when you're literally immune to on avg about 75% of the damage in a dungeon and also have mongo clap your specs pretty good for tanking

The avg melee damage went down like ~20-30% this expansion in dungeons

[sick sentinel]

true that

[chilly brook]

I will say if you do choose to run it you're gonna miss being NF or Kyrian in dungeons and on SLG. Plus on council either of those are actually pretty good because of the adds.

[signal plover]

Kyrian gud erry raid fight basically

[deft gazelle]

hey, small question, im the only kyrian in my group but i really wanna go NF for that sweet AA is not having a kyrian that big of issue for NW and spires? only really doing 18s atm hoping to get 20s 21s soon

[fresh belfry]

kyrian is kind of a big deal in both dungeons imo

spear enables pulls that wouldnt be possible without

same kinda for NW, if anything, you can add melee packs and just passively have them die

free count

[deft gazelle]

thats what we've been doing, just been dying to try NF out

[fresh belfry]

so basically you want our absolution to go NF even though you know its an irrational choice right?

(:

[signal plover]

We are warriors, not priests. You will find no penance here

At the same time, play what you want

[deft gazelle]

maybe some justification that i cant rationalise 😂
and just wondering if anyone did those without a kyrian

[young oasis]

Kyrian smurf soldier 4 life yo. Thinking about leveling new warrior just to check Night Fae, to be sure Smurf gang is the right choice.

[astral whale]

[novel steeple]

switched to NF from kyrian...never going back

[chilly brook]

The higher the key the more the dungeon bonuses matter, that being said I'm not gonna say that its impossible to play a suboptimal group at that level and be successful

Also

Go

Brrrrrrrr

[tender island]

Vanguard and combat analysis stacks apparently aren't synergizing at all. There's no stamina increase whatsoever... Works for armor though. Is this intended?

[modern brook]

You'll miss spears in SoA on fort and Balls on bosses in NW in tyr but you def dont need either at the ~20ish level

Personally I'd say its a bad trade, especially if you're the only Kyr (assuming you have NF already)

but as griff aptly put

go br

[astral whale]

Just find a windwalker for your group and without guilt

[noble storm]

when reading logs for shriekwing i should just be looking at melee blocked right?

[deft gazelle]

literally just speaking to one of the dps about him playing WW 😂

[modern brook]

Assuming you're looking for effective block uptime, yes

[noble storm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gZDwNGWk8VnYCBpH#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=1

thats for a 13key i did, any advice would be appreciated, pretty new to tanking

[craggy harness]

Tough to complain about your tanking, with your block percentage being just shy of 90%. Probably could afford to go with AM over HR.

but others are better critics than me, and i have to reinstall everything before raid :/

[noble storm]

Is that the only stat I need to look at? And I feel safe with HR for pugs

[chilly brook]

Less HR

More AM

[pine kelp]

LEGENDARY

sry xD

[weak dune]

@noble storm just general SD stuff: the 1st pull there are 2 mobs that cast "Animate weapons" or something,which is why you ended up dying. Those weapons do pure magic dmg. You should stun them or get ready to kite if you see animated weapons out

you really should not be getting hit by severing slice ever, heroic leap or intervene to ranged to dodge, or just walk away

also you ate a ton of volatile traps, they're red circles on the ground, pull mobs away from them or stand away so you don't get hit even if your melee dps do

[noble storm]

OK thanks will work on that

[weak dune]

this might be weird to say but you seem to be overusing shield wall

you used shield wall during 2nd boss when you were barely taking dmg

[signal plover]

That's rly only an overuse of shield wall if there's alrdy block coverage

Otherwise it's fine as a gap cover

[weak dune]

I would agree in general, but he didn't have it up for the hard 3-pack pull after 3rd boss (which I would advise you to skip if possible) and then died

also I think the naaru shield now clears severing slice

[signal plover]

Fair enough

[noble storm]

Thanks guys

[brittle dagger]

hi again guys sorry to be a pain, i am setting up warcraft logs, can someone just let me know if i have this right, before i start a dungeon i just simply type /combatlog

then once dungeon is finished type it again, and then i can upload that 1 file through the warcraft logs client

do i need to do anything else?

[safe void]

If I want a blend of Fury/Protection, choosing Venthir is rly rly bad ?

[stark sage]

none are really bad
if you are trying to pick the most universal or conducive, then i'd pick NF

[ionic fern]

In general yes. You can also get addons like Autolog to automatically start/end logging when you enter a dungeon/raid..and you can also use "live log" from the warcraftlogs client which will automatically upload the encounter after it's finished.

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

[brittle dagger]

perfect thank you

[sick sentinel]

is it better to bloodlust on firsrt boss in sanguine depths or the pack before first boss

because pride spawns during that pack

On logging: is there a way to clear the combat log in the event that you are running multiple of the same dungeon without closing the game to delete the combat log before the second run?

[sweet summit]

what do you mean?

[sick sentinel]

If I run a ToP, and upload the log it works just fine, but then I run another ToP right after, when I go to load the combat log it shows the first run but for the second it shows individual bosses instead of a second ToP log

I wish i had a screenshot but i cleared it last night

[sweet summit]

i have never seen that before

you can upload multiple runs of the same dungeon at once tho

you could potentially live log too

[sick sentinel]

I might just try that. I'll @ you if i run into it again. Is there still a "split log" option that maybe I'm missing? Trying to google it

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[sweet summit]

"select specific raids to upload" also means specific dungeons btw

[sick sentinel]

Maybe that's why I wrote it off lol. Makes sense though.

[spring umbra]

I feel like i've been pretty lucky with haste/vers. Is there a point where i should stop favoring it? is 25% high?

[strong forum]

25% is what id say where the spec starts being really good

[spring umbra]

oh no kidding. Ok good to know

[strong forum]

So defo not too much

[spring umbra]

🍺

[strong forum]

I personally, if I can avoid it, would not go below 25% but that's just an arbitrary number im throwing out, no facts or math backing it

[spring umbra]

rgr

[chilly brook]

The boss

[chilly brook]

I cri

[potent anvil]

Still more haste than me

[chilly brook]

Oof

[patent osprey]

I once had 13% haste while pushing

was fun 🙂

[chilly brook]

Been there

I think early prog I had 14%

[potent anvil]

Haste

[patent osprey]

ok des

just too much manliness for me

[chilly brook]

That vers tho

[lavish oracle]

I could not play with haste that low

[sweet summit]

[lavish oracle]

It feels so bad

[brittle dagger]

so this means i blocked 69% of all incoming melees?

[sweet summit]

to the left there is a column that says "hits"

mouseover that

for melee damage

[sick sentinel]

that haste isnt too low

oh wait 9%

[brittle dagger]

this one?

[sweet summit]

ya

79% is solid mate

great job

[brittle dagger]

i swear to god that actually felt so easy

i was just focusing on shield block

rather than ignore pain

jesus i have been playing it so wrong

[sweet summit]

revenj

[brittle dagger]

although i have sinned

LOL

beat me to it

[sweet summit]

where revenj

[brittle dagger]

162 ip casts

so really i should be dumping that into revenge

unless im about to cap

[sick sentinel]

ip still blocks 90% damage in my heart

[brittle dagger]

😂

[sweet summit]

[brittle dagger]

429 wasted rage

[sweet summit]

ouch

[brittle dagger]

man having logs is actually so useful i should have done this ages ago

[sick sentinel]

so is recording I heard

not that my pc can handle it

[brittle dagger]

do you have windows

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[brittle dagger]

i have the game bar recording enabled in the background, never noticed any performance issues from it

but you can set it so when you press record that it takes the last 1-60 minutes

think its similar to shadowplay but i always had performance issues with shadowplay

[sick sentinel]

id prefer the entire run

[brittle dagger]

yeah you can if you set it to like 45 minutes

soon as you finish the dungeon just press record that and it will record the last 45 mins you did etc

thats how i get my recordings

[sick sentinel]

thanks ill try it out on a lower key then

[orchid garden]

If you play Nightfae and use Niya with „Niyas tools: herbs“, do you receive 5% haste for healing yourself all the time?

[astral whale]

That sounds not good over burrs or first strike

[distant crystal]

i doubt IP works

maybe VR?

would be weak af tho

[amber herald]

indomitable works

so IP works, I remember I tried it out once

[distant crystal]

wild, wowhead says 30% proc chance

seems like it'd be high uptime

if everything works

[still pagoda]

as it was said multiple times in a matter of last year or so, dumping rage is important

[amber herald]

I got 90% uptime by spending rage on nothing but IP on a target dummy

[still pagoda]

to the point of having ZERO wasted rage

[amber herald]

but obviously that's not feasible when actually doing content

the kul tiran passive heal procs it too

[languid mason]

hey guys for chest enchantment, eternal skirmish or primary stats 30

?

[orchid garden]

Thanks guys

[brittle dagger]

ye i tihnk most is when im using spear

or avatar

when im close to 60

[languid mason]

hey guys for chest enchantment, eternal skirmish or primary stats 30

which is BIS

[brittle dagger]

just did hoa, felt a lot lot harder and had quite a few spikes throughout, block was at 78% but it looks like i got hit by 120 wicked bolts.. can someone check my log?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MnP9Gp36cFYVfBH7#fight=last&source=4

[sweet summit]

where best served cold

[mighty valley]

can you check how many times the rest of the group interrupted? That sounds like a lot but I don’t have a comparison

[sweet summit]

this is the main reason you feel like youre getting trucked

[brittle dagger]

yeah thats what i thought

also is best served cold good for shitters

[sweet summit]

youre also barely using last stand and shield wall

4 ls casts and 5 sw casts in 30 minutes

[brittle dagger]

yep

its a bad bad bad habit of mine

to hold cds

[sweet summit]

yea, and youre still wasting a fair bit of rage

[brittle dagger]

i really dont know why i do, its almost like i imagine im going to need it for the next pack and then i dont use it

so then the cycle repeats

[sweet summit]

you track it with weak auras?

[brittle dagger]

and i end up using it reactively as an oh shit button

[sweet summit]

bonk

bad

[brittle dagger]

and yeah ive got everything central

i can see its available i just hold it

[sweet summit]

thats very nice, i like that setup

[brittle dagger]

its atrocitys ui

i swear by it mate, best ui ive ever used

[subtle perch]

That looks better than what I'm using going to try that one

[sweet summit]

best tip i can give with CD usage is: if its off cooldown just use it (unless you expect a massive pull within the next 2 minutes and need them there)

just 👏 use 👏 them 👏

is it locked behind twitch sub?

[brittle dagger]

yeah

[sweet summit]

fair

[brittle dagger]

all bars setup though in bigwigs under the plates

[sick sentinel]

what is the bar above the rage bar?

[sweet summit]

please please please put action bars on mouseover 😂

i hate having weak auras and action bars both visible

its fucks with my head 😂

[still pagoda]

^

[sweet summit]

looks like active mitigation aka sb/ip

[still pagoda]

my brain hurts

[brittle dagger]

its not part of his ui its a ignore pain bar

i just got it from wago

[floral pewter]

pretty sure they're very close for DPS, and stats also gives you more armor and more stamina, which seems like a win to me

[brittle dagger]

his one is on the side 2 secs ill show

because i thouht ignore pain was so important i wanted a bar there

[sweet summit]

where does sb show?

[brittle dagger]

bar above rage

[sweet summit]

but now you know

ya thats real good

[sick sentinel]

Yea very nice

[brittle dagger]

yeah its real nice sounds like im advertising lmao but its for every single class as well

shows buff times as well

pelagos buff timer etc

[sick sentinel]

I use Quazii's weakaura package which draws some similarities

[brittle dagger]

thats nice too, i like having everything central

[sick sentinel]

because free

[brittle dagger]

i was watching plkas stream

[sweet summit]

?????

unplayable

[sick sentinel]

haha

[brittle dagger]

i think he uses afenars one

which is also a really nice

[sweet summit]

he does yeah
i love afenars weak auras

[brittle dagger]

yeah they are all great

[still pagoda]

own bootleg WA's made out of a copy of Naowh's ones

but with 90% of the stuff rebuilt

[brittle dagger]

i ran into so many probs with naowhs 😦

[novel steeple]

Just make my own

[still pagoda]

there're only few elements left of it

[brittle dagger]

whats the white bars at bottom

[still pagoda]

and that's like... From SL prepatch iirc

i've rebuilt it again later on

[brittle dagger]

does look nice though nice job

looks clean af tbh

[novel steeple]

from left to right first bar is when I have enough for shield block and second one is when I have enough to IP and shield block

[sick sentinel]

how are they getting consumables under the health bar? is that in elvui?

[frosty ridge]

made my own too

[still pagoda]

basically, a friend of mine(who was also active in #ui-addons-manager previously) made the basic template for them

but since he moved on to using naowh's ones

i've taken it up and rebuilt into what i wanted

[brittle dagger]

nice mate yeah it does actually look really nice

[novel steeple]

thanks. make all my own

[brittle dagger]

its just a weak aura bar placed there mate

it also has utlity and trinkets for tanks

[sick sentinel]

Quazii has it in his UI as well but he doesn't have a WA string for that portion so I assumed it was part of elvui

[still pagoda]

WA that tracks specific item. Really easy to make out of either basic templates or just with 1-2 triggers

[novel steeple]

I use one for trinket CD's

[brittle dagger]

come on now mate you cant just be flexing your scale like that

some people

dont have one yet

[sweet summit]

[novel steeple]

lol

[brittle dagger]

😂

[novel steeple]

Mines only 220 but got it first DoS run 👍💪

[brittle dagger]

damn nice

[novel steeple]

it's balance. my hunter has never gotten an IQD. fate i tell ya. was never meant to play hunter

[brittle dagger]

exactly

im off to bed but thanks a lot @sweet summit for all your help today mate much appreciated

goodnight all

[novel steeple]

nite

[sweet summit]

gn mate

happy to help

[ionic maple]

What enchant for weapon?

[sweet summit]

lightless for aoe damage
sinful for st damage
celestial for overall purpose

[ionic maple]

Celestial it is

[languid mason]

hey guys for chest enchantment, eternal skirmish or primary stats 30

sry i missed the response

lol

which one is BiS

Eternal Skirmish or Primary Stats 30

[sweet summit]

skirmish for st damage, stats for aoe/general purpose

[honest plinth]

I have a screen when 3 iqd dropped for my grp in 1 run btw

[fair valve]

Hey guys, im on around 28% haste on my warrior, however, i only got around 9% versa, should i cut back on haste for versa?

[languid mason]

yes

lol

[fair valve]

So just balance it out i guess? XD

[patent osprey]

well first off, make sure ur using the highest ilvl gear u have, then balance stats

[sweet summit]

just equip higher ilvl

vers isnt giga important unless youre going giga high keys (or pvp )

[fair valve]

Thank you guyss

And is there like a sweet spot on haste? Or is 28 too much idk

New to prot tbh

[patent osprey]

personally i like 20% + haste. Makes the spec feel like there is alot less dead space time where you have nothing to press or can press.

Max u ever would want is 39% at the end of the expac which you don't have to worry about right now

DRs start at 29%

So anywhere between 20-29% is A OK

[fair valve]

Alrighttt, thank you, ive been getting bullied all day cause my vers is too low

Feels a lot better now lmao

[patent osprey]

verse is a nice secondary to have. You will feel tankier as your verse increases, but survivabilty is mainly determined by solid play. So as long as your playing well, won't matter as much till high keys

[languid mason]

facts @patent osprey speaks

[stoic igloo]

what do you guys do for the second pull in dos -_-

[mighty valley]

make sure interrupts are happening for shadowcore, build threat with CDs on, then bounce for a bit

[stoic igloo]

cc the lil inspiring boy?

[mighty valley]

oh whoops lol i haven't done it this week

you can focus the inspiring down asap and reflect the first shadowcore

[stoic igloo]

I will make you proud

[mighty valley]

it's the worst part of the whole dungeon on fortified weeks, nice to get it out of the way early

[stoic igloo]

yep that is by far my pain point

[trim bay]

Whats considered a high key? 20 plus?

[unique shale]

yeah

[carmine prawn]

Which skin/texture are you using for that appearance?

[frosty ridge]

you mean masque borders?

[carmine prawn]

I think so, how your WA looked

[frosty ridge]

I think it's cath or caith gray? something like that. didn't change it for years

@carmine prawn nvm lol I did change it at some point, it's Zoomed now

[carmine prawn]

Cool, will check it out. It should be one of WA's default texture, right?

[frosty ridge]

I didn't download anything extra, just masque

[carmine prawn]

Aite!! Thanks!!

[limpid pawn]

hey is the tank meta changing at all for m+ or raid

in 9.1

[frosty ridge]

too early to tell

[sweet summit]

from the changes this far, highly doubt it

[limpid pawn]

k, and we are basically trying to stack haste/verse right

[sweet summit]

yar

[limpid pawn]

whats more valuable, haste right

[sweet summit]

yeah

[river escarp]

So I am gearing up a prot war at ilvl ~190 with the reprisal leggo. I find myself using intervene on a melee member or a a random range member if there is no melee. I also find myself running out of range whenever I can with stuns or long enemy cast times so I can charge in. To me, it sometimes seems like I'm just charging/intervening randomly around so I can keep up SB as much as possible. Does this seem like the general playstyle of prot war? I am enjoying it and looking forward to learning a new class.

Also, do I need to be careful about intervening away so that I don't get hit in the back?

[sweet summit]

ya u might get clapped if u intervene through a pack

same with charge

and afaik pala isnt running around like that

[frosty ridge]

Does this seem like the general playstyke of prot pally?
wow rude

[river escarp]

Sorry meant to say prot war

[sweet summit]

something like that yeah
i dont feel like charge/intervene is as exaggerated as this makes it seem tho

[frosty ridge]

you can make a macro for intervene on your focus, and focus your healer or melee, and just be aware where they are so you're not putting yourself in bad positions or taking a bunch of hits in the back etc

[river escarp]

Is keeping SB up at all times when you have intervene/charge avail not a high priority?

[sweet summit]

keeping SB up is top priority

you do not want SB charges to sit capped at all, unless youre not taking blockable damage ofc

[river escarp]

So for an example, if my last stack of SB is about to run out and I have intervene/charge, I should be using that to get another charge of SB up right?

[sweet summit]

if you only have one charge of SB remaining, you should use charge/intervene

so both can be on cooldown

[golden basin]

Hey guys, simple question - Kyrian seems more popular than NF, is that mainly because NF is so popular among DPS?

[sweet summit]

that and the fact that kyrian has access to phial

[golden basin]

thanks that explains it

[warm remnant]

Am I crazy in finding that I can't "add" my prot warrior on questionablyepic?

[sweet summit]

i thought qe was just for healers

[warm remnant]

It might very well be #healermain >.>;

[sweet summit]

we just use raidbots to compare gear offensively, and ilvl>haste>vers defensively

pretty straight forward

[warm remnant]

Was thinking to look at what dungeons to consider targeting so to speak

[distant crystal]

droptimizer baby

or just DoS 5eva for scale

if you do +10 weekly box it can tell you what to dump valor on

in droptimizer

[nova delta]

Speaking of DoS, it's my last 15 for KSM. Am I doing something wrong with the first 2 pulls or is ilvl 213 just too low to tank it on Fortified?

[sweet summit]

should be fine at 213

usually lust first pull

try to save SW for second pull

you most likely have to kite the 2nd pull

[distant crystal]

not gonna help you survive the first pull but usually want to have some dps cds reserved for 2nd pull

lot of times everyone pops everything first pull and then 2nd pull takes forever and tank runs dry lol

[nova delta]

That's my issue. I can survive first one if I SW, but then it feels guaranteed to die second pull

[sweet summit]

tell ur healer to external u somewhere

[warm remnant]

Mistweaver tears

[nova delta]

I certainly will try communicating more

[sweet summit]

its better to over communicate rather than under communicate

[warm remnant]

^

[sweet summit]

as long as u dont sit around waiting for 2 minutes between every pull

[nova delta]

Mighty tempted from my runs so far LOL

[strong forum]

ill have you know, we're so expert at communicating that we dont even talk about what we should do or whats going on

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

save SW for the second pull you shouldnt need it on the first

[chilly brook]

pro strat, avoid second pull jump off the corner onto the next part of the outer ring and pull the stuff by mechagon wing then double back

you should have all your CDs for the next big pull with the death speaker that way

and you get pride for the hallway

which is a pretty good idea this week since there's an inspiring on the first pull of the hallway which has the dudes who turn into shit that will destroy you if their cast goes off

[sick sentinel]

You can just los the inspired mob away from those though.

[nova delta]

Weow. That's next level. If I can pull off convincing people to do that route, I'll give it a shot

[tame jasper]

What I still don't understand about the 9.1 patch: do I need a new ilvl vessel to upgrade the legendary, like I did for upgrading e.g. from 210 to 235

[lime urchin]

Can I find someone what the ‘internal’ cooldown is for abilities of mobs in dungeons? For example the time between shadowcore casts in DoS?

[surreal sinew]

there's a weak aura that give you their cd on the leftt side of nameplates

it's in plka's disc wa section but i can find it for you if you want

[lime urchin]

Ill check it out later, thanks. I have seen that indeed, but I am wondering where that wa gets its info from.

[surreal sinew]

dunno but i works wonders ^^

[novel lotus]

"All rage spent is rage spent defensively" - Book of Indomitable

[sweet summit]

revenj

[brittle owl]

the best defense is a great offense

[orchid garden]

For defensive weapon enchants: Which enchant gives the best defensive bonus? Ascended vigor vs celestial guidance? Does eternal grace proc off selfheals?

Vigor is said to have around 60% uptime regarding the wowhead commentaries.

[past dagger]

Any warrior necrolord tips? Our guild had one necrolord and he’s just switched night fae...

[jagged pier]

reroll from it

I just did a 19 PF and this was my healing taken no wonder i felt in pain all the time

[strong forum]

Prolly beacon'd himself

[jagged pier]

i dunno

[strong forum]

Was he venthyr

[jagged pier]

i died a few times to not being healed for 5 secs at a time

and yer

[strong forum]

Makes sense

"I only pump dmg, me venthyr"

[jagged pier]

well he only did 2.8k overall

so not really worth imo

as ive seen venthyr do like 4k overal

[strong forum]

Frankly, that's a skill issue.

[jagged pier]

ive never pressed IP so much in my life

[sweet summit]

[twin cape]

Hi there guys

I came back to wow after 4 years ago used to main prot warrior back in wod and quit at the start of legion..

What’s the “best” covenant for prot warrior all content

I’m going to do mythic plus and raiding.. no pvp

[errant leaf]

Kyrian and night fae are the best imo

Necro is ok but less fun

Venthyr is garbage

[strong forum]

Generally, kyrian and NF are the best and most versatile

Kyrian moreso than NF if you're prot exclusive and fill that required kyrian m+ group slot

NF is however bigger damage

[quiet karma]

Guys which weakauras are you using?

[still pagoda]

not me

though, beacon on the tank + additional tank healing when needed is usually enough

there are COOLDOWNS for big pulls so you can easily top off everyone while also doing damage

[dawn canyon]

Short question: do you guys have your auto attack on the Bar?

Because ive seen people have it on and those who don't

[sand condor]

nope

why would you

[dawn canyon]

Yeah i don't really know that's why i ask 😅

Whats good Horde races for prot warrior btw?

[lime urchin]

what do I add here to make it mouse over?

[sweet summit]

[@mouseover]

[digital arch]

guys, kleia or pelagos for m+ ?

i wanna use kleia for prot and let the pelagos for arms

[plush tendon]

Pelagos is the champ

but if you dont want to screw up your arms set up, go Kleia

for Prot

The difference for Prot is very minimal

[floral pewter]

The difference is you don't get loot bags :p

[lime urchin]

but where? infront of the modifier part?

[ripe mirage]

I have both slimy consumptive and IQD, should I use a 216 IQD or 213 Slimy?

[sick sentinel]

theyre both not so good

but slimy is especially bad

but I need a yellow to confirm this

[sweet summit]

I dont think it matters

[sick sentinel]

@sweet summit which one is the lesser evil

[sweet summit]

Iqd

[keen star]

hi guys what seems to be the popular horde race?

[strong forum]

popular is tauren and orc, if youre asking for best performance wise in m+? vulpera

[keen star]

I was just about to say, the main reason why I'll be leveling it up will be a backup char for raid prog/heroic boosts

[strong forum]

for raiding prolly tauren

cuz of the extra stam

albeit its so incredibly minor

that you can literally just play whatever you like visually the most

[plush tendon]

I dont see Blood Elf in there

[keen star]

ok so it's the same as with druids

[strong forum]

its a 0.1% optimisation

its the same with every class

[keen star]

I like 1% vers on HMT but I'm sick of looking inhuman

[plush tendon]

I cant stand Tauren Models

[keen star]

after being a tauren druid for years

[plush tendon]

so im a pretty blood elf

[strong forum]

when i first swapped to horde

i fancied playing a big race for once

then swapped 1 week later to bloodelf

cuz its so bad to play tauren

now im a cozy vulpera, small races just feel better to play ( and its the best so double win )

[keen star]

oh belf gets 1% crit

[placid oar]

Can I ask about alliance race for tanks then guys? Is it still NE for M+ or Panda?

[viral axle]

is necro still a better option to push in a coordinated grp over kyrain or night fae?

[strong forum]

never has been

its playable in a mega coordinated group, but not a clearly better option

[strong forum]

dwarf/did

NE is only if you run full nightelf group for m+

[placid oar]

Sry what is “did” Nomeratur? Im not familiar with the abbreviation

[strong forum]

dark iron dwarf

[placid oar]

Ahhh I see, thank u!!

[placid oar]

Ahh okok

[keen star]

the banner isn't just a meme for raiding tho right?

[placid oar]

Thank you so much

[strong forum]

its not amazing, not terrible, not a clear winner either

i personally would say its a meme

if youre mega coordinated it could be good? idk

[keen star]

for sure I would be coordinated with the boomies if they don't switch due to the nerfs

[strong forum]

hard to quantify its actual usefulness

if youre playing the necro leggo ( which you obv will if youre necro ) then its going to be good yes

but overall, the niche of necro is hard burst scenarios like sludge, thats where the biggest benefit lies, but playing around banner is according to people that have used it, quite shit

[keen star]

I'm gonna be playing with 2-3 boomies in my new guild for 9.1

[strong forum]

i think you wanna buff your warlocks :^)

lines up 12312345123x better

[sick sentinel]

isnt boomie getting gutted

[strong forum]

and they will be OP according to current tuning

[plush tendon]

Our boomies are just evolving into ele shamans

[strong forum]

our ele has evolved

into the famed

offline class

[keen star]

do I have to be on a plate char in order to learn plate transmogs?

from like legion raids?

[strong forum]

yes

you can only ever get your own armor type and the weapon types you can equip, for transmog

[keen star]

is ToS soloable at all? I've only tried EN all diffictulties so far on my druid

[strong forum]

ye

should be able to solo everything

[keen star]

nice, ToS plate set is the best

with the mage tower artifact

[strong forum]

this one is better

:^)

[keen star]

well the helmet is from ToS

is that the ToS set?

[strong forum]

:^)

[keen star]

can't tell cuz vulpera

[strong forum]

its the pvp version

[keen star]

yea so just a recolor

[strong forum]

with much better colours

and unobtainable

[signal plover]

Vulpera helms kek

It's like u fell head first into a garbage can

[chilly brook]

That's because vulpera is a garbage can race

[strong forum]

yeah but its garbage CAN and not garbage CANNOT

[sweet summit]

[signal plover]

This is my favorite back n forth topic in here

[chilly brook]

If you dont go orc for the pump then why do you even play?

[keen star]

I think I'll do goblin cuz 1% haste

[still pagoda]

[keen star]

and it's still leagues better looking than my HMT druid

[signal plover]

O lawd someone gone and said goblin

Someone get this man a vaccine

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

I mean goblin is still better than vulpera

[sweet summit]

[signal plover]

Erga do u play weeb wow

[sweet summit]

the what

[signal plover]

Yes

[sweet summit]

ffxiv?

[signal plover]

Nod

[sweet summit]

nej

[signal plover]

gasp

I just make a gurl char and never play.

Oooo...I wonder if I can make a kleia

[chilly brook]

I bet you made a cat girl

[signal plover]

Nah one of those like

Bulky ones

[sweet summit]

i hate the baby race

in ff

i hate them

so much

[signal plover]

Like this chick played softball ya know

[chilly brook]

My man

[signal plover]

I'm a simple man

[keen star]

wtf goblins are like 60 pixels wide

how am I supposed to play if I can barely see my character

[sick sentinel]

i had to race change off of goblin because you swim in shallow water in ardenweald in dos

[sweet summit]

ahahahahh

[sick sentinel]

wait really? lool

[dark leaf]

for the night fae tanks out there, do y'all ever let avatar/aftershock sit on cooldown to line up with eachother for more dmg for M+?

[sweet summit]

if you will lose a cast overall, use them on cooldown

if you wont lose a cast, sync them

[dark leaf]

been memeing around in lower keys with seismic reverberation and its hilarious how much you can burst for in aoe

[chilly brook]

No

Avatar is give or take a one minute CD

It lasts for 20 seconds

Aftershock is a 1:15 CD

It should naturally line up in your avatar window

[dark leaf]

but every time that difference gets bigger

[chilly brook]

It's not worth holding Avatar for aftershock

Just press your buttons

Especially if you're playing Korayn

You dont delay shit

You full send at the start of a pull with what you have

[halcyon horizon]

Is anyone here playing with Reverb ?

[signal plover]

buncha folks run it in lower keys for memes

[sick sentinel]

do you guys take a necrolord dps for plaguefall?

seems like a neglible bonus

compared to, say , sanguine

[sweet summit]

its not a top priority to say the least

[dark leaf]

tyrannical weeks it can be nice since you usually will have time to do the slimes right before the final boss since the timer is so easy as long as you dont wipe

[sick sentinel]

the 3 slimes when you jump down?

[dark leaf]

ya

[sick sentinel]

thx for the tip that could be worth

[dark leaf]

it can be really awkward with that pride tho if you're group isn't sure what it's doing, it's fine to kill it there or run back but just have to be on the same page

[sick sentinel]

I think people shroudd to start at the back

of the boss arena

[dark leaf]

well i mean if you go back to the slimes after all that shit, bc those slime buffs only last 2 min, what i'm sayin only applies if you are gonna beat the timer as long as you dont wipe, its not an efficient route, its just trying to get the most benefit from slimes to make the boss easier

[sick sentinel]

true but you should only kill 2, sap the green one

I think it's doable

if you kite them to the boss area

[chilly brook]

Idk I'd take a necro

The haste is so nice

[cursive trout]

Griff, what dungeon is that screenshot from?

[sick sentinel]

probably sanguine depths

[sweet summit]

necrotic wake

[sick sentinel]

close enough

[floral pewter]

delaying a cooldown by more than 20% to get a 20% buff on it is a loss

unless you're also holding it for a big pack or something

[cinder nova]

Do any of our CDs M+ reset?

🤔

[sweet summit]

rally does

banner too, if youre necrolord

3 minutes and higher resets

[proper pecan]

Guys, what is the name of thing that forbids https://www.wowhead.com/spell=73325/leap-of-faith ?

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=109599/neural-silencer

[proper pecan]

Cheers

[cinder nova]

How come Shield Wall doesn't?

[sweet summit]

it does

but why

gotta wait 10 seconds anyway

and it only lasts for 8

[cinder nova]

I don't think it does. I tried to in a PF last week and I was just out my entire wall.

[sweet summit]

oh really

[cinder nova]

And yeah, the 8s duration hit me as an afterthought

Is there some sort of special timing to it?

[sweet summit]

huh?

[cinder nova]

Or do you just have to have it on CD before the load

For it to reset shit

[sweet summit]

before the key is started

[cinder nova]

Then yeah, it didn't reset wall

[sweet summit]

like, before you activate the key

[cinder nova]

Not that it matters

Maybe it's stuff that's over 3m CD and has a duration longer than 10s.

[sweet summit]

not during the countdown

[spark mortar]

Shieldbrothers - what's the best way to handle that damn Inquisitor in HoA with style?

[cinder nova]

The... 3rd boss?

[spark mortar]

Trash after the 3rd boss

[cinder nova]

Skip it.

[chilly brook]

Funny thing is yes, but the only added damage I had was one orb

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder nova]

I assume you're talking about the guy with the chains, the stoneborn, and the regal mistdancer

The one after the hounds

[spark mortar]

The guy who drains all the life.

In Halls

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck I was thinking of SD what the fuck

[chilly brook]

Just nuke the adds?

[cinder nova]

You kill the adds

Just kill all the trash in the pews and then kill him

Get your pride, finish the last boss

That's it.

If the casts are hitting you that hard, I'm pretty sure they're kickable

And I know you can SR them

I can only assume you mean Inquisitor Sigar

[sweet summit]

i know, youve linked it before

[cinder nova]

I'd probably assign your DPS to a quadrant if you want to make it swift.

You throw Ravager + AA on one set

The DPS each get one other set so you have 4 people for 4 sets

[dusk moat]

Fury main getting into Prot, is there anywhere with quick notes for keys like ... don't jump to 4th boss in PF until 80% or whatever

Without reading detailed novelas on each dungeon 😛

[cinder nova]

Those are mostly encapsulated in route notes.

There might be something for it on TankNotes, but eh?

[sick sentinel]

The % for route is kind of something you have to look over in its entirety though, not much in the way of getting around that part.

[cinder nova]

Yeah, knowing how to make and/or read paths and understand where and why they pride is kinda something you just have to learn.

[sweet summit]

There is a WA for that

[cinder nova]

I'd avoid the talent suggestions on TankNotes, though.

[sweet summit]

For % thing

[sick sentinel]

You mean those that show what % u end up after the active pull? That doesn't really get around the fact that you still need to know the route overall.

[sweet summit]

No for how much % you needbefore going into next area

Like down in pf

[sick sentinel]

Oh, there is that too. Didn't really think to look for something like that ^^. Could be useful in case you need to make adjustments on the fly after some ninjapulls I guess.

Still, that would be something to fall back on in case shit hits the fan otherwise, doesn't replace looking at route beforehand.

[dusk moat]

Yeah, was figuring I could learn as I go too - just didn't want to make the mistake of, oh shit now we have to go back and get % lol

I'm thoroughly enjoying Reprisal with Heavy Repercussions, is that really bad?

[mighty valley]

It's not a common choice, the better you get with maximizing Reprisal the less you need the extended block uptime

And you can pick AM for more avatar/SW

But I've seen some a few high level pushers running heavy repercussions, pretty rare though

[dusk moat]

it's just gratifying, as a new prot warrior to see SB uptime 100%

[sick sentinel]

Initially either or will probably make less of a difference than getting comfortable with the routes, building pulls and keeping up the tempo. By the time the choice will actually start having any impact on timing the key, you'll have a better idea of the pros and cons 🙂

That's how it looks to me anyway swapping from dps back to tanking after a several expansions dpsing, just running 15's for now for gear and practice.

[flint wraith]

What is the quickest way to farm renown levels?

[sweet summit]

hc dungeon spam

[flint wraith]

queuing to random hcs?

[bleak karma]

LFR bosses and heroic dungeon finals bosses give renown. You must also progress in your campaign story. The story chapters will give renown but instead of forcing you to collect 5/10/15/20 souls or 1000 anima for a single renown, the bosses mentioned above will get you there

[sweet summit]

ya

[flint wraith]

ty

[versed gale]

Hey guys, new to prot war, do we ever use whirlwind ?

[chilly brook]

No

[versed gale]

Okay, thanks ! 🙂

[versed gale]

Bothering you again

On the icy veins guide, the following is stated : "Since Ignore Pain's cap is 2 times Ignore Pain on cast, you generally should not cast Ignore Pain again until your absorb is close to depleting."

I'm not really sure I understand that properly

Could anyone provide more insight ?

[jade tartan]

Guys, is there any soft cap for haste?

[chilly brook]

Ignore pain can stack up to 2x the initial value

It means exactly what it says

It's really not worth it to try and stack IP

Just press it if you need it

[sturdy sable]

Your best bet is to get an ignore pain tracker to let you know how much you have so you can make the decision based on how much you have

Also ignore pain is very weak and should only be used to paper over gaps in block or to give your real mitigation a little extra mustard

[urban portal]

Or when you play signet prot and generate like 150 rage while bladestorming

[brittle dagger]

new record boys

[sweet summit]

[tranquil plume]

okay so if we dont ever use whirlwind how do we keep aggro? I have a huge problem keeping aggro on multiple mobs (even with whirlwind but it gets better the more I use it)

with thunder clap having almost 5 sec cd I cant really do much in regards to multiple mobs

[brittle dagger]

revcenge

[distant crystal]

revenge tclap shieldslam

n whatnot

and that sweet sweet healer aggro from IP

[tranquil plume]

I feel like it drains my rage pool so fast

[distant crystal]

good

fill your rage pool fast too

[tranquil plume]

free casts dont come up as much as I want

[brittle dagger]

as long as you have 30 rage for shield block

and you need it

[sweet summit]

Revenj

[dire void]

would you craft reprisal on legs or foot

[sweet summit]

Legs if u cant get mythic slg legs

[dire void]

i dont raid mythic level

well occasionally m+

[sweet summit]

Legs then

[dire void]

cool ty

[sick sentinel]

does a single heroic throw kill an explosive?

how do I spawn plagueborers near first boss

in plague ffll

[sweet summit]

Yes

[sweet summit]

You dont spawn them, you grab the two thats on their own in the area past first boss

[sick sentinel]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

thank you!

[dire void]

for prot warrior would putting versa and haste on legendary be best normally

[sweet summit]

ya

[chilly brook]

you think revenge drains your rage faster than whirlwind would? lol

I literally can't get enough revenges in at the start of a pull to not cap on rage

have to hit IP

so idk how you're having rage issues

[sick sentinel]

our execute is getting buffed 20%, will it change much?

[chilly brook]

nothing changes

other than execute having more damage

[urban portal]

Revenge is just better than whirlwind

Whirlwind is unbound on prot

[strong forum]

Isnt it 10%? Also no, it won't

[sick sentinel]

I guess icyveins is being misleading then

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/58275-warrior-class-changes-in-patch-91-build-38511/

idk how to not embed that huge thing

[sweet summit]

<link>

[brittle dagger]

i thought i saw 10% earlier too

and it was only for pve

[amber herald]

I remember it as 10% but could've been changed

[brittle dagger]

Blue post on wowhead:

Protection
Execute damage increased by 10%. This does not apply to Condemn (Venthyr Ability).

so no idea

[sweet summit]

id rather trust the blue post for now 👀

[spring umbra]

So im a rather new tank (almost to KSM) and have been sticking to dratnos's routes this whole time. I only pug. It doesn't happen often but I get accused sometimes of not knowing routes. Is there a better source I should be using?

[vague jetty]

Does anyone have a targetstarget intervene macro?

or is that not possible

[grand drum]

Dratnos is fine. Pugs will be like that

[distant crystal]

@vague jetty /cast [@targettarget, noharm] Intervene

[lavish oracle]

Anyone have a weak aura like zen tracker that will give you a notification when a tracked group CD is used?

[tropic drum]

Is reprisal still bis for M+?

[lavish oracle]

Yep

[tropic drum]

ofc theres no 210 on my server

[lavish oracle]

Just build the 190 and then upgrade it to the rank 4 directly, I suppose

[tawdry moss]

Hello everyone, i hope you're all doing good, i have a simple question, i'm new to tank spec and i struggle with aggro between two "separated" mobs (i mean when two of them i far from each other) do you have any tips for that kind of situation ? thanks a lot !

[lavish oracle]

Like getting initial aggro on them?

[tawdry moss]

Yup, exactly

[lavish oracle]

Are they two separated mobs that stay separated or can you pull them together

Oh, heroic throw on a mouse over macro helps

[tawdry moss]

I think i can pull them together, for example the trash ranged mobs in necrotic wake

you mean a mouseover macro ?

[lavish oracle]

Potato// Po tato

Yeah, usually I'll taunt -> heroic throw one a couple times and charge -> shield slam the other

Taunt will give you a threat multiplier, and heroic throw already has a hefty threat multiplier

So taunt + heroic throw is more threat than you'd initially think

[tawdry moss]

Oh ok, i got it i'll try that thank you

[floral pewter]

Warrior is bad at ranged threat, so grouping things together whenever possible helps

Sometimes you can use LoS to do it

Or ask someone to grip or interrupt the far one

[floral pewter]

When someone doesn't like my route, I just ask them what route they prefer, I've learned some good ones that way

Dratnos is usually fine, but some of them I don't love

[inland wasp]

@tawdry moss heroic leap also resets the CD of Taunt so you can always taunt your primary interupt it if its a caster leap to target 2 and taunt

[tawdry moss]

Thanks a lot for the advice ! I've never done that but it seems important, i'll do it more often

[sick sentinel]

I found invisibility skips to backfire pretty often around the +15 range

anyone else?

like people release and cant get back

[inland wasp]

Its a trick ive had to use a few times. Its not always relevant but sometimes its what we have in our tool kit and group

[analog swift]

sorry for the kinda scrub question, can rallying cry dropping off kill your ally?

or how does the drop off actually work

[lofty widget]

no

it will put them at 1 hp tho

[spring umbra]

yea id feel a lot more comfortable doing that on comms but I try to memorize routes prior.

[lofty widget]

if theyre below the extra health rally gave when it drops off

[floral pewter]

MDT lets you link routes

[spring umbra]

I relaly jsut need to join a guild and run with regular people

[floral pewter]

yeah, I don't like invis skips in pugs

[lavish oracle]

Depends on how simple/complex the invisible skip is

[distant crystal]

i feel like invis skip is almost a given in HoA pugs

ppl don't even say anything half the time

[languid mason]

calling it from now wen that new raid gear set comes out everyone gonna go bulwark of azzinoth and 1 shoulder mog it..... looks sick as fuck

[solemn current]

Not really prot warrior specific but could use some help on a Sanguine Depths route if anyone wouldn't mind taking a minute. This is the route: https://keystone.guru/bGTZmtE
This seems like a pretty easy pug route outside of skips, but Pull 15 seemingly involves pulling the pack without the caged Vestige. Is this even possible to pull the pack without opening the cage? Also, for the Chamber Sentinel after the second boss before jumping down (Pull 21 on the route), if the Sentinel ends up being near the pack that isn't pulled is there an easy way to activate it without pulling the pack or running all the way back around the ring? I've seen seemingly easier routes but they also seem to miss out on prides for the bosses.

[floral pewter]

I thought that caged one is linked, I might be wrong

but you could just add it in, and skip the solo vestige earlier

that one is definitely skippable

[solemn current]

That's true probably easiest solution. Any idea on the sentinel or is the text on that route about the sentinels being random a bit misleading?

[lavish oracle]

What level key are you doing?

[solemn current]

~15s give or take. I'm just used to healing or dpsing and following whatever route the tank is comfortable with

[lavish oracle]

Oh, you can definitely simplify the route for 15s

Also, if that mob were to pull, would it mess up your prideful timings?

Doesn't seem like it at a glance

[solemn current]

I have a simpler route that doesn't really involved skipping. Its just that some of those packs are a pain in the ass for pugs and doesn't lead to the most uptime for pride on second boss. I can run around the entire ring to grab the sentinel if it came down to it, but I have to imagine the route was designed with a more simple solution. The extra vestige might not screw up timings but skipping solo seems like the better idea. Just not sure about the sentinel. Running around is a waste of time and pulling the pack next to it screws up timings.

But I also don't quite understand how the sentinels work in M+ so I might be overthinking it.

[lavish oracle]

Sentinels spawn in one of 3 locations on either side of the ring

You might have to do something funky if the sentinel spawn is past pull 22 but I'm not sure

[solemn current]

So unfortunately I understand it correctly lol. Would a ravager thrown on it or something break it out of its stone?

Without pulling the other pack especially

[lavish oracle]

Nah, you have to get in range of it to trigger it

Could have a rogue, mage, or hunter trigger it pretty easily

[solemn current]

It'll break with stealth/invis without aggroing?

[lavish oracle]

I meant vanish, feign, invis

[solemn current]

Ah so basically some limited options dependent upon comp otherwise around the ring it is. Worth asking. I guess realistically it's still better than the no skip route I'm looking at. Thanks!

[lavish oracle]

I mean for pugging 15s, I'd definitely go with a simpler route personally

As long as you get pride onto 2nd boss, you're fine

[solemn current]

I feel like besides the skips the route IS pretty simple. And if people don't want to skip I have an alternative, but the easiest no skip route I found gets you pride a pack before the second boss and requires what have seemed like some nasty pulls for me in pugs. Tyrannical week that early pride is gonna be bad and Fort week those ugly packs are bad.

Granted if you have a simpler route that gets pride on second boss while limits or removes skips I'd love a better option than what I have for when skips aren't ideal especially on Tyrannical week where those ugly packs doesn't matter as much.

[lavish oracle]

The skips are why it's not simple

If a pug wipes and releases on impulse in any section of the dungeon here, they will have to either have invis, be helped, or rezzed through

And it's easily timeable without any skips

I do like 1 skip in my pug route and 2 chested it multiple times last week in 15s

[floral pewter]

a skip for Tarvold pride is kinda worth it even in pugs, especially if it's a tyrannical week

just because he's such a cancer boss

Beryllia is rough, but mostly a healer check

pride is less critical there

[lavish oracle]

You can get Tarvold pride with just a skip to the first boss

That's the one skip I leave in in my pug route

[solemn current]

It's a fair point. I just don't know what's worse. Skipping packs in a pug or dealing with the some of the worse packs on Fort or a mistimed pride on Tyrannical. To be honest I hate the dungeon and avoid it as much as possible because of it. I'm just trying to suck it up and have a few route options for the place for when I'm forced to actually do it. Would you mind sharing your pug route if it's not too much trouble though? Definitely wouldn't mind a better option on a Tyrannical week when the trash isn't that deadly it's just that I did a 15 last night with some friend and guildies and I fucked up the route (which is why I'm here trying to not make the mistake again) leading to pulling some mobs that they wanted to skip and they beat our ass with the affixes this week which concerns me for pugs on weeks like this.

[lavish oracle]

I'm at work at the moment so I can't link my route, I'll send it your way when I get home

[solemn current]

Ah no worries then. I do appreciate the help though.

[lavish oracle]

@solemn current https://keystone.guru/RuYEoTo

This is the route I usually use pug with, pull 23 is kinda scary but you have pride for it so it's usually not a big deal as long as you're managing the mistdancer well

[solemn current]

Yea 23 is the main one that beat our ass on Fort. You find not having pride on first and third boss is a pain in pugs for this route on tyrannical? I don't have enough runs in this place to have a good idea.

[lavish oracle]

Nah, first boss is super easy, no damage going out between the like 2 mechanics on that fight and warrior can do the 3rd boss basically without taking any orbs on a 15

[solemn current]

Spell Reflect work for the blast or you just mean our potential to just tank the damage?

[lavish oracle]

Spell reflect deflects the dot from the blast plus you can easily store 2 IPs for it and demo shout it

does like maybe a quarter of my health

[warped schooner]

Are shoulders or back the best slot to make your legendary?

nevermind I got it!

[lime trail]

Is there a guide on effectively utilizing reprisal? I'm just using it as a fire-and-forget thing intervening to my other tank but that feels very dumb and inefficient in certain cases

Also, there seems to be conflicting answers on this one, can you reflect Inevitable and Hand of Destruction? Tanknotes says yes to both but the spreadsheet has the opposite.

[copper token]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-mythic-plus-tips#mythic-talents-for-protection-warriors

Section 3.1.1 on that page covers reprisal pretty well

Intended for m+ but same jist so long as it doesn't compromise a mechanic in raid

[wheat blaze]

i have a problem with my prot war i have 23% haste 20% versa 25% Mastery but I'm still getting too much damage I try to have almost 90% shield block active and IP but I'm still squishy AF in 15-16 keys ilvl is 220

Any wtf am I doing wrong?

my average total heal at the end of a 15-16 key is around 2.50m

in SD i can do up to 3m :/

[tame jasper]

block active or blocked hits?

Jakey has made a video about reading logs as prot, really helped me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8&ab_channel=Jakeyplops

[floral pewter]

Do you have a log or something? Hard to say what you're doing wrong when we don't know what you're doing

[vestal sigil]

How much Haste and Vers % should i have? Or what should i aim for

[worn bear]

p sure the answer is "as much as you can get"

[blazing condor]

pretty much yeah

people pushing high m+ have at least 20% haste then pump as much as possible into vers

[vestal sigil]

Okay that helps. I was looking for some kind of direction

thanks

[blazing condor]

Just remember that ilvl > stats so dont fret about it too much when it comes to secondaries. Just try and get as much as possible

[vestal sigil]

I guess you are right

I just blame myself on two keys i depleted with some pugs even tho they were in no way my fault. And started looking at my stats and such

Getting sick of these pugs

[blazing condor]

Pugging is really hit or miss

either way if it was your fault then almost 99% it wasnt because of your secondary stats

[vestal sigil]

Yeah i feel you

[blazing condor]

obviously you'd wanna be as good as you possibly can but usually the stats are way down in the priorities when it comes to playing better

[vestal sigil]

On spires i tried pulling a pack away from a patrol zone with heroic throw and a shaman unleashed all his dps on it right after. Then blamed me for fucking up the kay because "there is no patrol"

Yeah i'm just still in the 8.3 fever where secondaries were all the shit

[blazing condor]

Yeah i feel you

obviously the spires pull wouldnt have been a mess if you had more vers ;P

Pugs will be pugs

[vestal sigil]

Yep. And if i could have kept aggro with that one heroic throw on 5 adds

obviously duh

[errant timber]

That's pretty rare, what ilvl is your shield? Are there moments when mobs get your back during pulls?

[strong forum]

prolly shit dps

if your dps players suck dick, you will feel squishy even in lower keys than 15

or your healer not ever healing you

you rely on having good dps and healers to actually not feel like youre bad at the game

[sick sentinel]

Anyone happen to have a handy WA pack with the most important tank debuffs you need to keep an eye on like gorgon bleeds etc?

[broken mulch]

On SLG if I'm clearing kaal stacks in P1 should my co-tank take the boss or will I be fine just taking kaal while stunned?

[strong forum]

kaal hits like a wet noodle

also, if your cotank is anything but a pwar aswell, he should tank kaal, not you

literally every other tank is better at handling the bleed from kaal

[sick sentinel]

anyone else gets annoyed when something other than disc/holy paladin queues up ?

as a healer

immediately goes on my ignore list

[strong forum]

very toxic

[steady karma]

Sure they feel the same way about your dumb plate wearing ass

[sick sentinel]

I dont queue up sweaty

[steady karma]

explains how you get groups

[sick sentinel]

wtf do you wear other than plate anyway?

[zenith monolith]

I am tanking Kaal solo as Prot. No need to tank swap him until last phase when both bosses are active. Just make sure you switch Grashaal on 2 or 3 stacks max and you are good.

[jagged pier]

should be fine my co-tank does it fine

[zenith monolith]

Nothing wrong with Prot tanking Kaal at all. Easypeasy 🙂

[jagged pier]

yer but if u have a dh co tank they deal with the bleed so much better

[zenith monolith]

really tickles tbh

have 0 issues with it now, not even dropping below 80% health with up to 3 stacks before I clear with crystalise

co tank is DH but we started the fight like this so decided to not change anything

[sick sentinel]

you can use the shield more often than she does her attack right

or is that only during the gauntlet

[finite sundial]

Thinking of picking up Prot in 9.1, do we have idea what so ever on which covenant would be the meta for 9.1? I am guessing we still have no idea

[strong forum]

Kyrian or necro

If you're thinking about optimal covenant spread for m+ / surv for raid

[finite sundial]

I raid mythic, and heard that necro is only good if utilitzed really well with the group

[strong forum]

It's only viable in that setting yes

Viable, not great

[shut summit]

idea of necro is awesome, realistically i dont think i would ever go it

[finite sundial]

hmm, so it sounds like a really niche for example if we need Banner for a burn phase like sludgefist?

aka, not worth it lmao

[sweet summit]

sludge is an awful example due to chains but something like that yeah

[strong forum]

General verdict of necro is not worth the effort yes