protection

[patent osprey]

I can keep it up 100% even on prides

[chilly brook]

Big dam

[fathom spindle]

Aye

[patent osprey]

with HR build

[fathom spindle]

Gonna try it later then 😄

[sweet summit]

it drops every now and then

but that could be me not being used it it

im also very bad at charge weaving on ST

so that could be a factor

[chilly brook]

Reprisal big dumb

Wtb talent tree redesign to pre SL and a reprisal nerf

[sweet summit]

50 quid

[chilly brook]

That's it?

I'd pay that for it

[blazing condor]

49 quid if you buy from me

B)

[sweet summit]

[craggy harness]

1 squid

What are we buying?

Oh.

Never mind. No more than half a squid

[light sorrel]

Necrolord Banner is still 400 mastery on PTR

Oh well

[sweet summit]

yep

told u 😉

[light sorrel]

Still good

Been liking Necrolord a lot. I love giving mastery to my holy paladin instead of the Mage standing as far away as possible from me xD

[craggy harness]

Lol reminds me my priest reminding me on my mage that I’m not a melee class when I jump in for the NF ability

[unreal scarab]

[sweet summit]

[sand condor]

Does swapping from NF to Kyrian give me anything major defensive wise outside of phial?

[sweet summit]

3% magic damage reduction from pelagos

[sand condor]

We’re progressing SLG raidlead would like me to switch

Outside of that? Isn’t the 3% physical dam reduction from NF better for slg?

[tired cove]

SLG was nerfed super hard

not even as close to as bad as it use to be

also you wouldn't notice much of a different, unless you're bad at clearing your stacks

[distant crystal]

phial doesn't remove anything on slg mythic anyhoo

is spear good there maybe idk

for the skirms

[sand condor]

Don’t think spear snares en

[distant crystal]

i'd think nf would be better there tbh, more dam right

[sand condor]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

why did my progress bar in halls of atonement not get pasdt 96%

wiith the halkias minibosses

after killing all 3

wiped on halkias boss because of that since he was accompanied by very strong mobs

[sand condor]

Yikes

That’s unfortunate

[sick sentinel]

so just a bug?

[subtle island]

Whats best pot for ven?

still strength?

[sweet summit]

huh?

[subtle island]

or is there anything that buffs condemn?

[sweet summit]

what?

[subtle island]

battle pot

[sweet summit]

oh

yeah still str in aoe

[subtle island]

does it affect condemn though cos it's shadow damage?

that irrelevant?

[sweet summit]

condemn, like every other ability, scales with attack power. strength increases attack power

[amber herald]

did you wait for the bar to fill completely?

[sick sentinel]

yeah we cleared a few packs after killing the third halkias shard guy

normally halkias is surrounded by mobs which he oneshots once it's 100%

but we had to fight those mobs and they fucked the key by wiping

[amber herald]

you can pull those mobs separately from the boss for percent if you want (don't)

[subtle island]

I'm really struggling to get above 3k dps on sludge

[amber herald]

so if you aggroed the mobs before the boss they won't be killed

[subtle island]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RcvXqGCm9aMHhLnP

am I doing something wrong or is it just a matter of gear?

[sweet summit]

on st u want oil+phantom fire

[sick sentinel]

never seen that before though

[sweet summit]

i recommend going nadjia or theotar over draven tho

[amber herald]

could just be a bug, wouldn't be surprised with halkias

[sweet summit]

even with the wall, sludge is rather comfy for prot

[amber herald]

spin to win and all that

[subtle island]

we're 4 healing it so it gets a bit dicey

[sweet summit]

and with theotar u take long pot for even more damaj

so are we

[subtle island]

and the move speed thing feels really useful for pillars

would that bump it up though changing soulbind?

[sweet summit]

would help a bit

draven offers very little offensively

[subtle island]

phantom fire best enchant?

[sweet summit]

on sludge

[subtle island]

can't even remember what I have on

[sweet summit]

save pot for last pillar

with lust

[subtle island]

tryna get 2 in and use second when condemn's up

[sweet summit]

or if u go theotar u can pot pull and pot will likely last through first pillar

[subtle island]

you get more dps from popping it during lust even if condemns not up?

[sweet summit]

you dont

at 5 mnutes

he charges wall

[subtle island]

you gettin to sub 20 when lust is up?

or will it give more dps regardless?

[sweet summit]

depends on your raid dps

but it should yeah

[subtle island]

I'll give it a try

[brittle dagger]

Does shield ilvl make a huge difference? I’ve been mega unlucky and still have a 190 shield and feel like im getting smacked hard still

[sweet summit]

its the most important slot defensively

[brittle dagger]

Ok so that may be why then.. cheers mate

[hushed moth]

what site do y'all utilize for which talents to take for m+

[sweet summit]

icy veins

[solar spear]

im crafting a seismic for blasting through the weekly 14s, how much of a dps upgrade roughly is like 190 vs 230? have the soul ash just dont want to waste it, and cant seem to find it to sim

[sweet summit]

you can sim it in top gear

there is a box at the top

for legendaries

[solar spear]

oh damnn thanks i didnt notice that before, was trying gear compare

thanks

[sweet summit]

👌

[oblique garnet]

Erga doing work 👏

[sweet summit]

[subtle island]

just looking at high logs for sludge and seems like there's a lot of vers stacking

that right?

[sick sentinel]

when should i summon my steward in NW so that it isn't on cd for the second golem buff?

i feel like i mess that up all the time

will he just stay up?

oh 4 min uptime

does the cd start when you summon or dismiss?

[analog swift]

when you summon

send it on the first goli

keep him out

[sick sentinel]

like summon at pride spawn

ok

Should I ever use best served cold over booming voice?

[astral whale]

Yes

Big damage

Especially if you are utilizing reprisal well

[sturdy sable]

Yes but BV is still better in single target

[cinder nova]

How OP would it be to have a 30 damage shield spike

[sweet summit]

a spike that deals 30 damage per hit blocked?

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's how they work.

[sweet summit]

using a 19 halls i did today as refrence

that dungeon

it would do a total of 20k damage

[cinder nova]

That's spicy

[sweet summit]

which is not a lot

[cinder nova]

I mean, no, but I'd love to have it.

Why'd they take out shield spikes? 🤔

[sweet summit]

not even 0.5% of damage done

[cinder nova]

They were nifty.

Pyrium Shield Spike was 380

That'd be nuts

[sweet summit]

that would be like a good damage trinket

epic

like 3-4% damage

overall

[cinder nova]

People would whine

[unique shale]

i feel squishy even with sb is that normal ?

[sweet summit]

where

[unique shale]

SD big pulls

[sweet summit]

oh god i cant remember last time i did SD

cant even remember how that dungeon works

uhhh

where in the dungeon?

which mobs? what key level?

[unique shale]

sec

first exmaple

18

[sweet summit]

is that the first pull of the dungeon?

[unique shale]

yeah

[sweet summit]

did you stop the skirmisher casts?

the swords they summon deal unblockable magic damage

[unique shale]

hmm that should be the reason

[sweet summit]

they dont recast it, so stun/fear it

and u should be good

[vast sedge]

big dam

[fathom spindle]

Thanks for that information !

I always hated those sword, always thought they hit way harder than they should.

And they’re also really hard to pick up, the threat does not seem to stick on them properly for some reason.

[sweet summit]

[unique shale]

any idea how to deal with this guy beside SR one of cast ?

would be ideal to los ?

[sweet summit]

Interrupt? Or is there an inspiring mob there?

[unique shale]

i mean in pug they don't really interrupt it so i end up kiting and die cause he cast two shadowcore back to back

[sweet summit]

Mark it with skull and say kick it or ill die

If that doesnt happen, youre kinda forced to kite

[vocal bison]

It’s fort week so BL the first one, second one save your cds then run like hell when the cds run out

plus tell pugs to interrupt but ya know...

[sweet summit]

Ye :/

[unique shale]

how do you guys pull those cause for me it get messy because some of them lose aggro or stay back and keep casting

[vocal bison]

Misdirect and LOS to get them to follow to in range of stun or just ask dps not to go mongo for like 3 seconds and interrupt

[ripe kelp]

What's everyone's feeling on covenants going into 9.1 especially with new leggo's and covenant talents?

[plush tendon]

too early to tell

prob still Kyrian or NF as the top two, but Venthyr and Necro are both viable

Might be a little bit dependent on what DPS and Healers come out on top and what they are running

[cinder nova]

Gonna be doing my first +20 tomorrow. It's SOA, any suggestions?

[sweet summit]

some of the inspiring mobs are kinda aids so you might have to cc them
SoA is kinda kick=win

[unique shale]

don't die

[light sorrel]

What is my upgrade priority for gear? Normally I go for damage with all of my characters, so I go weapon, but as Warrior should I be concerned about my shield over weapon? Trinkets?

[lime urchin]

Shockwave into spell reflect on le flying sneks

[sweet summit]

depends on what you want to improve

if you want to improve your tankyness, you go for shield/scale

[light sorrel]

I'm Necrolord raid utility bot man so probably just tanky

[sweet summit]

if want damage first you go for weapon/damage trinket

[light sorrel]

Does having a bigger shield affect anything with shield slam/shield block scaling?

[sweet summit]

i recommend something like shield>weapon>good trinkets>high stat gear like chest/legs>rings/neck>low stat gear like wrists/cloak

[light sorrel]

Gotcha, similar to DPS just shield first

Thanks 🙂

[sweet summit]

big shield=big block value
big block value=more damage reduction from blocking attacks

[light sorrel]

Haven't played a tank where I actually cared about staying alive before

Every other tank (minus DK) just gets tanky by doing their DPS rotation so it's been interesting coming from Paladin. Just press any spenders that are up and spam Shield of the Righteous.

[sweet summit]

kinda same as pwarr

other than the fact that you spend resources on Shield Block too

[light sorrel]

At least I have to look at my HP pool and make an actual decision whether I DPS or ignore pain or block

Plus you have stuff like demo shout, shockwave, intervene to manage

It's a lot more interesting than "spam whatever buttons light up and press shield of the righteous" lol

[sweet summit]

press glowy button ook ook 🐒

[light sorrel]

Sleep 😦

[solemn magnet]

You don't really make decisions like that. It's either SB when taking physical damage, IP if you're really about to die, if nothing else spam revenge.

If tanking, press shield block then spam revenge

[light sorrel]

Technically you don't always need shield block up if there isn't a lot of damage coming in. But that's besides the point. Maybe it's more of a mental thing, but it feels good to feel "hey, I can push damage here rather than play defensively."

Where Paladin does both at the same time

[brittle owl]

looking at your hp pool is useless 90% of the time on pwarr

since you can only influence the rate at wich it moves, not the direction

[light sorrel]

How do you know when to use ignore pain if you're not looking?

[brittle owl]

?

you don't use IP based on your hp

you use it based on the encounter. if you need smoothing you dump rage on IP

if it's a trivial encounter and you want to pump damage, you dump rage on revenge

[light sorrel]

Isn't that a choice you make?

[brittle owl]

ip is a terrible recovery tool

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/783549152747061278.png?v=1

[brittle owl]

it is a choice, but not based on your hp pool

[light sorrel]

Sure

If I drop to 50%, I'm normally prioing IP more than Revenge depending on my healer

My raid healers don't like tanks 😦

[brittle owl]

hate to break it to ya chief, tank healing in raids usually means just keep hots up

[sweet summit]

you usually don't get a lot of direct heals as a tank in raids

[light sorrel]

I wish I got hots

[sweet summit]

its mostly hots like maelk mentioned, and the occasional beacon/ground effect

[brittle owl]

bacon is the 'oh you're taking alot of damage' solution

[sweet summit]

🥓

[brittle owl]

👼🥓

[gaunt dawn]

Some classic grass is greener schpiel

[strong forum]

"why always the others and never me"

Or

"why always me and never the others"

[orchid slate]

Hey everyone, I am planning to start raid tanking for my guild after next reset. I have experience with tanking in M+ dungeons, but not so much in Nathria. I am still thinking about which covenant to play. Is Kyrian still the most popular pick? In M+ I definitely prefer NF for the extra mobility and ancient aftershock's damage/interrupts.

Also if there an overview for which encounters the Kyrian pot really helps with damage mitigation?

[unique shale]

anything new on ptr for prot war ?

[carmine prawn]

NF is the way, cause all Kyrian is good for is their network expressway in Bastion. Just kidding here

[unique shale]

kyrain is better in raid

[orchid slate]

Is it just because of the pot?

[unique shale]

both offensively and defensively

pot and 3% magic reduction

[orchid slate]

aight, thank you

[strong forum]

10% execute buff

As llarold put it :" now bdk and pwar are atleast top 6 in tank dmg"

[carmine prawn]

That seems like a very good way to word it. 'Top 6'

[unique shale]

i that a thing to lower your ilvl to have Insane amount of versatility ?

[spiral geode]

Hello, quick question about DMG in m+. 4.5k on overall on top 18 is good result as tank?

[unique shale]

overall?

[spiral geode]

Yes.

[unique shale]

that’s sounds right to me

i doing around 3.5/3.9

[strong forum]

4.5k is solid ye

[spiral geode]

Great, i just started tanking m+. So it looks like i'm doing it right.

[unique shale]

people start tanking from +18 😳

[strong forum]

Everybody moves at their own pace

To some, 20s even when doing shit for the first time is a baby key

For others 12s can be scary

[unique shale]

for 18s are scary

[spiral geode]

18 are fine if you play with voice.

Interupts and CC are really important. And prot warrior is tanky as hell.

[unique shale]

how much versatility do you have ?

[spiral geode]

23% but can go up to 26 if needed

Last Boss in Top is funny

You can reflect the scythe

For 30-40k dmg

[orchid garden]

hey guys, i gonna tank some keys today with reprisal (as kyrian). are the pins and most guides up to date and the talent choice should be Angermanagement?
How is the state of heavy repercussions?

[unique shale]

yeah top is my Favorite dung but people in pug Die on platforms and rip key

[sweet summit]

itf+HR is very very good if you need giga high SB uptime, which you usually dont in regular "mortal being" keys
with reprisal you play ravager+am yeah. reprisal alone gives very high uptime on shield block

[unique shale]

what ilvl btw ?

[orchid garden]

what is "itf"?

[sweet summit]

into the fray

you play it with hr

[orchid garden]

ah, okay. nah for aggro i would chose ravager anyways

[spiral geode]

221 but need to optimize a little.

[jagged pier]

if u are runnign rep u should be useing BSC no BV youll do more damage with BSC as well

[sweet summit]

voice as in discord

pretty sure

[spiral geode]

Im mean voice chat

[sweet summit]

yeh

[spiral geode]

More DMG frome revenge is juicy and you have less agro problems

[sweet summit]

revenj

[spiral geode]

Reprisal legendary is what prot was missing.

Life is easy now.

[strong forum]

Instead of fixing the class

They instead slap 3 necessary things into 1 item

[sweet summit]

its ok

[strong forum]

Call it Design

[sweet summit]

its getting reprisal baseline in 10.0 !

[strong forum]

You know it wont

[sweet summit]

ye...

[spiral geode]

True: (

But lets have fun as long we have it.

[left trout]

Who should take sludgefist with a monk and warrior tank?

[sweet summit]

doesnt matter

[spiral geode]

Sludge is mostly phisicall dmg

Prot warrior specialization.

[jagged pier]

its easier to use reprisal if you take giant fists imo

[strong forum]

^

There is no difference in who tanks what, except who sludge runs after

And sludge moving makes it harder to use reprisal

So just let the monk MT, he does more dmg anyway

Unless he sucks

[jagged pier]

☝️

[spiral geode]

I was tanking sludge with Monk/DH/Guardian/prot pala

And i allways break their agro.

[strong forum]

Everyone but the dh should do more dmg than the pwar

[surreal sinew]

you're forgeting bdk and their holy priest level of dmg

[strong forum]

Mh bdk is basically equal on sludge

[tame jasper]

Puh I‘m happy when I reach 3.2/3.2 😦

[jagged pier]

you both need to press revenj more

[strong forum]

Press moar buttons

Also not being necro

Is a huge dps boost

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[sweet summit]

BANNERS UP!

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

🤢

[spiral geode]

Guys what about bosses? 3k DMG on mythic hungering and 4k on huntsman.

[edgy oak]

Hello ... Just gonna put this out there ... Is a venthyr prot warrior viable ? I'm current kyrion but I want to move to venthyr ...

[sweet summit]

venthyr is absolutely fine mate

[strong forum]

I mean just check logs

4k on huntsman is on the lower end

[sweet summit]

you'll have less aoe damage/snap threat/rage in dungeons tho

[strong forum]

I did 4.2k in 9.0 without reprisal

4.4k even I think

[sweet summit]

but you'll be 100% fine

[edgy oak]

Yea it's like i want to play fury and arms sometimes ...

So it's just hard to decide if switching to venthyr is a good idea although i mainly just play as a tank

[sweet summit]

should honestly just go night fae then, if you also care a lot about prot

but then youd need to craft enduring blow for arms on st

night fae is great for all 3 specs

[edgy oak]

Yes could also think about that .. just don't like fairies but what ever 😂

But thanks for the input :)

[sweet summit]

ya true

sinfall>>>>>>>>>>>tree

[jagged pier]

all covenants sucks like all dungeons suck like all tanks suck

[strong forum]

FACTS

[sweet summit]

📠

no printer

[brittle dagger]

does anyone here have a 220/226 shield and can screenshot your block stat on character page please?

[sweet summit]

the damage reduction from block u mean?

[brittle dagger]

yes please

[sweet summit]

ya sec ill do some math

[brittle dagger]

this is mine with a 190 shield

[sweet summit]

thats in open world?

[brittle dagger]

i just wanted to see what the difference was between mine and a 220/226 because its probably my lowest bit of gear

yeah just in org

[orchid garden]

35,73% with 197 shield

[tame jasper]

I checked my logs yesterday adter I viewed your video about it. Casts, wasted ranged etc ist fine, but too less blocked hits 🤷‍♂️ But I would like to post you a link later when „back at home“

[spiral geode]

Shield is the most important part of prot warrior gear.

[sweet summit]

40.43% @ 233

where is the night fae weapon vendor btw

found it

[tidal quarry]

I'm 40. something with a 233 shield.

[lofty widget]

39.42 with 226 shield

[brittle dagger]

ok damn thats quite a jump then

[tidal quarry]

Ye, shield is op.

[brittle dagger]

5% basically extra reduction

thats pretty nuts

[orchid garden]

and looks exponential, whysoever

[sweet summit]

thats open world tho, so the % is not accurate in m+/raid

[brittle dagger]

does it increase?

[tidal quarry]

decreases

[brittle dagger]

ah

[tidal quarry]

since in M+/raid the mobs are higher lvl

[sweet summit]

Level 60 K-values
Base/open world: 2500
M0/M+: 2455.0
Castle Nathria LFR: 2500.0
Castle Nathria Normal: 2662.5
Castle Nathria Heroic: 2845.0
Castle Nathria Mythic: 3050.0

higher number here=less dr from block

[strong forum]

That's not exactly how it works Metallic

[sweet summit]

Block / (Block + K)
here is the formula

if u wanna math

[brittle dagger]

awesome thanks mate

[tidal quarry]

Ye I realised as soon as I said Nomeratur.

[jagged pier]

yer np

[brittle dagger]

is that referring to againts evenly matched enemy

[orchid garden]

that would result in an increase for m+

[sweet summit]

wdym bash

[sweet summit]

correct

[orchid garden]

thats nice to know, thank you mate.

[brittle dagger]

on the block chance it says reducing damage of attack etc and then (againts an evenly matched enemy)

[sweet summit]

ya

idk what it mean

but im also pretty dumb

maybe nomeratur knows

[tidal quarry]

Nomeratur always knows, he should be called Knowmeratur.

[sweet summit]

terrible pun

id mute u if u could

[tidal quarry]

I'm not even sorry.

[brittle dagger]

cheers for the help though all

im really struggling with my prot im playing it so wrong

[sweet summit]

log 👏 your 👏 runs 👏

[brittle dagger]

but its been helpful going through the posts

yeah im going to today

[lime urchin]

I did some logging

[sweet summit]

[brittle dagger]

im defo going to start

[tidal quarry]

Record them if you can as well.

[sweet summit]

only if you have a good ui ^

[lime urchin]

and Jakey or Norm made a very nice youtube video explaning how to look at them

[brittle dagger]

yeah ive saved that video its very useful

[jagged pier]

i record anyway

[sweet summit]

[lime urchin]

now we are on the subject of logging

[tidal quarry]

Ye, my UI is trash but it tells me all the things

Playing in 32:9 created more problems than anticipated.

[sweet summit]

you what

[jagged pier]

[lime urchin]

could one of le big brains explain to this small brain the differnce between blocked hits and blocked hit

[jagged pier]

so one is the damage

[lime urchin]

in simple language

[jagged pier]

and 1 is the melees u blocked

[lime urchin]

and dont laugh at mah numbers, I now they are shite

[tidal quarry]

One's the damage you take and how much you blocked

Jakey, pls. Too speedy for me.

[sweet summit]

ya, the long line is damage taken and the number is number of hits taken

[jagged pier]

68% isnt that bad tbh

could be higher for sure

but for instance mobs melee for different damage etc so u might block a lot of the weaker melees and less of the higher hitting melees so your damage intake is still highish

that for of thing

[lime urchin]

so when yall talk about those flashy 80% uptime of shield block

which one are you talking about then?

[sweet summit]

the "hits"

[jagged pier]

the 'hits'

[craggy harness]

Hmm. So, I've been beating myself up because I've been measuring Blocked Hit dmg compared to you guys

rather than blocked hits?

lawl

Glad I woke up too early to read this

[sweet summit]

stay woke, brother

[craggy harness]

🤜

[strong forum]

This was random log of mine from a few months ago

[lime urchin]

non reprisal

you legend

[strong forum]

That was from January ye

[jagged pier]

my god log

never had this again

[strong forum]

From 1 month ago with reprisal

[jagged pier]

see nome quits the game and is still better than me

[lime urchin]

so Jakey, both of those are pretty high %, the melee damage taken there is 80% and the blocked hits is 88%

[jagged pier]

no idea how i did it

[lime urchin]

where as my difference is 55% and 69% in the screenshot I showed

[strong forum]

We but you took 4mil from melees

When we're around 2mil

[lime urchin]

I have some sexier logs than these but imma stick to these for this analysis

so what is a conclusion for me to take there?

shield blocking not enough up is nr 1

but how do I improve the melee damage taken part then?

[sweet summit]

have better dps

xd

[strong forum]

Well that comes from having better dps players ye, and blocking more

It extensively reduces dmg intake

And mastery

[lime urchin]

ah because stuff is dead quicker

[strong forum]

Mastery is biiig for blocking

[sweet summit]

speaking of

is there an easy way to see crit blocks

[strong forum]

@ionic fern

I don't think so though

[orchid garden]

shouldnt mastery as stat be gaining a lot of worth with Reprisal? It is still shown as one of the worst stats in all guides.

[sweet summit]

it does yeah

[ionic fern]

Not that i know of. 👀

[sweet summit]

heck

[ionic fern]

Guides compare stats between eachother and what they provide, not
"Oh, lets pump up masteries value with Reprisal and skew it".

[lime urchin]

ah I see now, in other logs where we had bigger dps in le party, the melee damage taken % is much better!

ok ok, it slowly starts to make some sense now

[orchid garden]

But that always depends on how much stats you have and which content you play. So taking that too general looks a bit like a very narrow perspective.

I have also found no guide which exactly distinguishes between defensive and offensive purposes.

And neither give values..

[strong forum]

Because there are no definite values

There are way too many different scenarios to just throw a blanket value on it

[prisma bear]

for defense yes

i have wondered myself why i havent seen real dps per point on stats for tanks

[strong forum]

Because nobody has those

If a guide tells you dps values per stat

They're lying

You just sim

The world where dps values per stat exist is over since legion or even earlier

Cuz simming exists

Get the idea of having values on stats out of your head.

A stat priority, now that makes more sense, but definite static values just don't exist

[sand condor]

phh

okay so yesterday we had a great pull on slg.

got to 20ish %

we wipe due to some soaking mistakes.

siiiggghh

[craggy harness]

prog or non?

Cuz, definitely seen the mirage finish line % before

[sand condor]

prog

and while i am a trial in this guild

its aggrevating

because my survivability is being linked to my covenant

im nf instead of kyr/necro

and even after plowing hrough the logs

i dont see why the hell they want me to swap

[craggy harness]

Oof, pain.

[gaunt dawn]

have you tried

not dying

ever

[sand condor]

ye

[strong forum]

Frankly, that's a skill issue.

[sand condor]

well i amde some mistakes earlier in the raid due to being attacked by a cat.

[gaunt dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/tried-nothing-flanders-out-of-gif-9662944

[craggy harness]

What Ioneratur said.

[gaunt dawn]

there it is

get rid of the cat

performance gain

[sand condor]

wait so i just suck?

[sand condor]

ddi that, only time after that i died due to intervening to save someone who was out of position. upheaval!

[gaunt dawn]

oh

we're back to square 1

[sand condor]

like i got a pretty nice 79% blocked hits

[gaunt dawn]

ok

here's a crazy thought

you ready for it?

did you try telling them

[sand condor]

im ready.

[gaunt dawn]

that you're good fam

[sand condor]

i diddly did.

[gaunt dawn]

aw rats

shucks

[sand condor]

but the tank (officer) says kyrian phiall saves him a lot!'

he;'s a dh.

[gaunt dawn]

ah yes

big brain

lets have a peep at this dude then

[sand condor]

i also recieve roughly half the shaman healing he gets

[gaunt dawn]

i'm ready to fracture their logs

get it?

[sand condor]

here's the best pull we had.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vBz7kpCwtW39hnqc/#type=damage-taken&source=10&fight=11

[gaunt dawn]

45s CD btw

can fit a full supermarket delivery in between those casts

[craggy harness]

So, you're outdpsing and taking less damage than the DH?

[sand condor]

pretty much yes

and im barely losing out on healing as well

which is pretty crazy

like i am sitting on my cooldowns a lot

[gaunt dawn]

48s CD btw

[sand condor]

just so i ccna save them for 2nd intermission/last phase

[jagged pier]

i recommend tanking the adds after the first set away from the bosses in final phase

as u aint gunna push them

and your dps can just focus on st

[sand condor]

you mean the skirmishers?

[gaunt dawn]

weird swap in i1

[jagged pier]

yes

[gaunt dawn]

can just keep the boss on the DH the whole time

[sand condor]

yeah so, instead of him taking the 3rd stack, and clearing them all 3

i have to taunt em over take 2 and we swap again

[gaunt dawn]

yea

thats weird

[sand condor]

like idk why he doesnt want that 3rd stack as he can instantly clear it

[gaunt dawn]

thats mine

[novel dune]

Should we be using demoralizing shout before or after ravager?

[sand condor]

idk are you specced into dealing more damage after demo?

[orchid garden]

i would use it afterwards

[sand condor]

if so yes?

[strong forum]

After

[sand condor]

if no? doesnt metter?

[gaunt dawn]

thats a good point

you barely use demo shout

[strong forum]

The kyrian phial doesn't even cleanse slg bleed does it

[novel dune]

Im thinking because ravager lasts longer than demo shout

[gaunt dawn]

it does not

[sand condor]

oh yeha i need to work on using my demo more often

[orchid garden]

If you didnt spec into demoshout, there is no reason to combine it. Only to mitigate more damage

[novel dune]

Its a waste of a gcd to use ravager inside the demo window

[strong forum]

Yeah so wtf is your cotank on about Vix

[strong forum]

Ravager takes also 1 global to deal dmg

[gaunt dawn]

45s cd btw

[novel dune]

So

What order do you use it? im confused

Demo first

Then ravager

[strong forum]

Ravager

Then Demo

[orchid garden]

Ravager -> demoshout

[novel dune]

kk

[strong forum]

Ravager always goes first

It takes 1 full global to deal any damage

[sand condor]

so im not the issue ye?

[fathom spindle]

Nicke Demos finish last

Nice*

[strong forum]

I haven't checked logs, it's just the statement "that kyrian phial saves him alot" is bullshit on slg

It's just a 2nd healthstone there

[gaunt dawn]

@sand condor not got anything better than glutt spike?

[sand condor]

barghast trinket on my fellow warrior dps?

[gaunt dawn]

😦

[sand condor]

yeah i imagined jnot bullying him

but yeha so i've been passed on in my previous guild on the 226 alar

for the tank they said they would be benching anyways

[fathom spindle]

Ouch

[sand condor]

and every time its dropped at any time?

ive not gotten it

[gaunt dawn]

why arent you using spell reflect on each meteor? @sand condor

[sand condor]

does that do anything to meteors?

[gaunt dawn]

its damage reduction

[past grove]

damage reduction

[gaunt dawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=23920

[fathom spindle]

5 sec of 20% magic DR

[gaunt dawn]

also is best served cold the standard pick for reprisal?

i've not played with it

or is that talent row flexible

cos i'd be running booming voice

[fathom spindle]

Booming in raids i think, BSC is good in M+ though

[orchid garden]

everyone is playing that different. depends a bit on how much rage you need on pull and how much IP you are going to use over the duration of the fight, which also depends on your healer.

[strong forum]

BSC for multitarget dmg

BV for St generally

[gaunt dawn]

idk, i'd run booming on prog

[strong forum]

If you wanna be max efficient, play BV for commando burst windows

[gaunt dawn]

commando burst

xd

[strong forum]

But I would play BSC cuz big dam

[gaunt dawn]

they die in a sneeze

[strong forum]

Ye but that's the only argument for running BV over BSC with reprisal imo

It's only more dmg in pure ST than BSC

[gaunt dawn]

what race is your warrior @sand condor ?

[strong forum]

The rage gain itself isn't really all that needed with the 300 charge and intervene targets on that fight

Vulpera is broken on slg! I advocate that

[gaunt dawn]

cant see any racials

dark iron dwarf

0 uses of fireblood tho

thats big main stat

every 2min

[sand condor]

Oh yeah lol i keep forgetting about it

[gaunt dawn]

so to bring it back to this

covenant is irrelevant

you're making some simple mistakes

😦

but so is everyone

some more fundamental than others

but thats kinda what you expect if you're on prog at this time

are you willing to own up to your mistakes and improve?

Bits identified so far:

• Weird strategy in i1
• Not using Racial
• Not using demo shout
• Not using spell reflect

[jagged pier]

i never own up

just blame the healers

[gaunt dawn]

no healthstone either

smh

id try and get a sun king trinket (any version)

[sand condor]

Ah cool tank officer guy legit hust told me h thinks i don’t have to change shit. And that its just the rl wanting it while tanking isn’t the problem at all

[gaunt dawn]

the DH is making loads of mistakes too

[sand condor]

Running hc with friends as much as i can

[jagged pier]

same

[strong forum]

Lfr version is already usable

[strong forum]

90%+ the time what's going on

[sand condor]

Hell ywah else i didn’t open my logs for yall to flame me :p

[sand condor]

Running normal and lfr sunking it is

[gaunt dawn]

thats about as much drawing as i can do

was going to draw a tree holding their hands up

RE: Tranq timings

but cant find the orange marker pen tool

like comment subscribe

[sand condor]

We have set timers for slt/rally iirc

[gaunt dawn]

recommend tanknotes to a friend to get free access to tanknotes*

*tanknotes is already free to access

[strong forum]

**feel free to sub to patreon tho

[sand condor]

Wait whats tanknotes

[jagged pier]

[sand condor]

ohno

[gaunt dawn]

tanknotes.com

[jagged pier]

https://www.tanknotes.com/mythic-plus/

[gaunt dawn]

go have a peep

u wont

i dare you

[sand condor]

Phmygodthatsallieverwanted

[strong forum]

It's notes for tanks

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/producthunt-mind-blown-blow-your-26ufdipQqU2lhNA4g

vics mind

been doing that alot later thos guys as well last night that didnt press revenj

[sand condor]

Ngl. I may have been a negative nancy. But god am i happy to have a solid tank spot, an m+ group and a fun community to play with

[sand condor]

People....didn’t press revenge?

[jagged pier]

They were only press the free proc

[sand condor]

Oof

This ain’t bfa anymore sadly

[jagged pier]

Thats not sad thats a good thing

[sand condor]

But..clap clap clap

[jagged pier]

Got exdcute and ravager back

Boring playstyle

[sand condor]

Okay i love my execute

[jagged pier]

I prefer SL play style

Way more stuff to think about

[sand condor]

Honestly im enjoying warrior a lot more now. Just no “bro wtf why are you out dpsing the players”

I member crazy pulls on bwonsamdi affix

Pulling a boss and clapping

But yeah i think warrior rn is super fun to play

[jagged pier]

u still can be dont let your dreams be dreams

[sand condor]

Pog

I mean i did have a 5,6k overal before

But that was in a 15

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

implying that wasn't a 15

[sand condor]

Lol that lock

[jagged pier]

it was a 14 or 15 i think

i dont run anything less because vault

[sand condor]

.>

Im popping between 3.5/4.5 on my pushing keys

It’s been dropping a bit after playing HR more lately

[jagged pier]

well yer

HR is a dps loss

and not needed until u get into like 24s where u want the block

[strong forum]

Go necro aswell

Enjoy your 3kdps life

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Lepan cosplay

[sand condor]

Bro my healer doesn’t want to heal me

[jagged pier]

🤷

i only pug and i still run AM

pugs healers are not good

[sand condor]

Fair

I pugged most keys to 18s

[strong forum]

Then why the fuck you running HR

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

That's like running vers corrupts in 18s

[sand condor]

:( i like block up time

[strong forum]

Utterly unnecessary

[sand condor]

B..but

[jagged pier]

but u get like 80% without it

[strong forum]

I can understand the sentiment

But I don't want to get depressed looking at the dmg meter

[sand condor]

okay fair

I just kinda go like. If i don’t die, we don’t fail

(And then dps jump ibto a frontal

I think one of the biggest m+ improvements i have yo make..is having the right routes

[misty charm]

how the fuck

my best was like 4.3 in a 17 mists 👀

[jagged pier]

revengj

and seimic

[misty charm]

wat

is that a meme or is seismic actually vailable for lower-ish keys? 👀

[jagged pier]

i think that was a 16 or 17

u dont need rep in mists

[misty charm]

you.. dont? i mean theres a lot of casters in mists but after the second boss if you make decent sized pulls you run out of SB quite fast

[jagged pier]

plka does 23 mists with seismic

[jagged pier]

and nah the only magic damage is before the first boss

[still pagoda]

in lower keys, mobs usually run out faster than your SB charges

[jagged pier]

and then boss abilities

[misty charm]

are there other dungeons where you run seismic?

[jagged pier]

not really no

[misty charm]

so other than mists you always run rep?

[jagged pier]

well i mean if its a 15

i run seismic or signet

for the memess

[misty charm]

ye sure

but im scratching the 18s atm

[jagged pier]

i dont wear it in any content i push

[strong forum]

My highest was I believe 5.6k in mists

With reprisal

Could be wrong tho

[still pagoda]

[jagged pier]

mine was around there

with rep

[misty charm]

well im still ilvl 218 so theres still room for more dps🤷‍♂️

[lofty flume]

hi, ive just started to play prot warrior, and I am really loving it, im comig to the end of the leveling period, and was wandering what the best legendary for prot is?

[strong forum]

Reprisal

Uncontested

[sick sentinel]

I've never played during a season transition and ilvl jump. If I'm timing 15's now should I expect to be able to time 15's when 9.1 drops? I'm imagining it's going to feel like I dropped 20 ilvl

[strong forum]

15s will be 30% harder

By default

So if you can time 18-19s right now,thats how 15s are gonna be in 9.1

Then it depends also on the seasonal affix

And the K-values will change, so you will take more dmg than in a current 18/19

[jagged pier]

better be some type of buff tbh prideful was a good change

[strong forum]

Well it's supposedly rng anima powers

From the datamining

[jagged pier]

no

no

no

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

i dont want tha

thats trash

[strong forum]

:)

[jagged pier]

-.-

[sick sentinel]

Ah so probably won't be for a few weeks for me then.

[jagged pier]

u want to do 20s tho for the tps

[strong forum]

"hey we heard you like torghast and m+, so we put a mini torghast into m+ where success will heavily depend on who gets their overpowered powers and who doesn't"

[sick sentinel]

I am still not confident enough to run a pugs key. Afraid to brick it. My 9.1 goal is 20's

[jagged pier]

there has to be like a small pool of powers to pick from otherwise u couldget soem trash ones

also imagine u only get defensives ones

and the dps all get uber dps ones

no aggro anymore

ggs blizz

[strong forum]

Na there's a known list

On wowhead

There are powers that reduce threat generated

And increase crit chance during it

For example

[jagged pier]

can i get them?

i already do more threat

[strong forum]

Prolly not as tank

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Why would you want to generate less threat as tank lul

That's 1 power

[jagged pier]

cause we already have more threat so loose sum dont matter

[strong forum]

"reduce threat for X seconds and get 50% crit chance"

[sick sentinel]

[PH] Defeat the Jailer's forces to gain cool powers!

I wonder if the mobs will just be sprinkled around the dungeon

[strong forum]

Prolly

The 20% shit with prideful is shite

Reaping was goat

[sick sentinel]

I only got to play infested last expac

[jagged pier]

LUL

[rustic relic]

Anyone else having a blast as Night Fae Prot Warrior ?

[jagged pier]

prideful i like reaping was cool and the stealth one was cool just skip the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

prideful is really cool for someone learning m+ and making routes and stuff, but something new will be nice

[strong forum]

I have the most powerful skip button

[jagged pier]

uninstall ?

[strong forum]

[orchid garden]

Those anima powers can be really fun. Hope they are not totally random, but always the same depending on the dungeon and placement.

[sick sentinel]

half of them are off the unique mobs in torghast runs it looks like

[signal plover]

I'm holding judgement on S2 affix for now. Everything is based off a datamine atm and it's kinda useless to speculate without context

[lofty flume]

@strong forum thank you 😊

[jagged pier]

well the score systems in :

[wild hemlock]

execute buff lmaooo

[thorn ether]

Well we know for a fact that if it’s rng the pwers you get , be ready for a shitshow

[orchid garden]

Who cares about the shitshow? it shall be fun

[tidal quarry]

Hopefully it's kinda a selection/choice you get like on the first raid boss.

[orchid garden]

+15 is freeloot anyways and anything else is made for fun

[tidal quarry]

Wouldn't be so bad that way.

[signal plover]

I think ppl pushing won't like anything that puts inconsistencies into keys

[thorn ether]

Excactly

[signal plover]

If u kill mob, get set power, it'll be fine

If it's, kill mob, get random power(s), it'll be bleh for those folks

[thorn ether]

Imagine trying to get a world first PF and you get a power that makes you take 30% less physical and 15% more magical dmg

[signal plover]

I don't rly give a shit tho

[orchid garden]

But probably fun for all the other guys

[tidal quarry]

Lel

[orchid garden]

You cannot make content for everyone

[thorn ether]

You can make it deterministic

[signal plover]

That's not the point

[thorn ether]

And it still can be fun

[tidal quarry]

Reduction in frost healing but increase in crit damage - yes please that'll do.

[thorn ether]

Ex diii

[tidal quarry]

Or that shit that empowers your jumps

[thorn ether]

Thats what i was gonna type

Yeah imagine the power that knocks people that are 2 yards near you on last boss of HoA trying to double soak

[tidal quarry]

Please don't.

It's bad enough pugging that boss

[smoky wave]

I really want that power with reprisal

[tidal quarry]

Intervene > Boop

[smoky wave]

"sorry need sheildblock" punting people off stuff

[thorn ether]

Well anything sub 20 can be fun with rng touch on top of it , if m+ is your shit and you have so many rng aspects into it . I dont think serious people are gonna be bothered pushing if thats the case

[subtle island]

What's happening with 9.1? Any consensus on bis cov/leggos emerging?

[signal plover]

Looks the same in that aspect atm

[tidal quarry]

Never know, we might end up with absolutely insane borrowed power where we've got healers with infinite mana, tanks doing monster dps and dps who take 90% reduced AoE damage

[thorn ether]

Ahahhahaha and people are gonna do weekly +35s

[tidal quarry]

Yeah haha

[signal plover]

It's not 9.3 yes shhh

[craggy harness]

Memory of Midnight Devastation

[tidal quarry]

Totally inflates everyones M+ score

[signal plover]

Twilight*

[craggy harness]

It has to be a variation

😉

[signal plover]

Ur mom liked my variation

Huehuehue

[craggy harness]

Her corpse didn’t have a choice dude

Lol sorry room

[signal plover]

No this is good

[orchid garden]

I got a belt with crit+versa+socket and a belt with haste+versa. Only tanking M+ and being Kyrian. Which belt would you chose?

[modern brook]

assuming equal ivl, the one with teh socket :/

[plush tendon]

Sockets are stonks

[modern brook]

i mean

[plush tendon]

assuming of course equal i level

[orchid garden]

Of course its the same ilvl

[plush tendon]

good man

[modern brook]

Its been 4+ years of the same gearing practice tbh

the entirety of this channel cna just be 1 post that says "more stats is the best option. yes even in that case" a

[orchid garden]

But as haste is always shown being much better compared to crit, i am not sure if its worth those few extra stats.

[orchid garden]

could change with every addon/patch/legendary.

[modern brook]

But it hasnt.

[orchid garden]

thats why i'm asking

[plush tendon]

Always better to ask then assume 🙂

[quick elk]

Anyone know of any streamers tanking as prot warriors for the break the meta event on raider io?

[strong forum]

Socket

[plush tendon]

Maybe Plka?

[modern brook]

idt plka is in it

nvm i actually have no info either way

I just feel like i woulda heard

[plush tendon]

Andybrew?

well, Andyclap now

[past grove]

Plka seems to be going Arms for Break the meta

[modern brook]

Good

[cyan cypress]

I'm struggling a bit with prot in terms of rotation. I have a 235 The Wall leggo and running ravager. What kind of macros do you guys use in rotation? I have my last stand macroed to my shield wall but I'm looking for more macros to make the rotation a little bit more smooth.

[orchid garden]

ty

[jagged pier]

bad you dont every have your mitigation macro'd together

including your cds

what if u need to LS and not SW

or visa versa

[strong forum]

The only macros to use are @cursor ones and the intervene and charge macro

That's it

No rotational macro, or "use these 2 together"

They make you a worse player

Get more practice and actively learn how to press your buttons, what to use when

[frosty ridge]

the only thing I macro together is orc racial

[distant crystal]

I still have trinket macro'd to Avatar

does avatar even make us do dam anymore

[plush tendon]

20% more dam

so yea?

[distant crystal]

sounds like a winner then!

[orchid garden]

There are some trinkets that you can put into a macro and use together with Avatar for example

[frosty ridge]

I wouldn't macro trinkets

[plush tendon]

I like to macro my abilties with /says

[sweet summit]

Avatar does not increase trinket damage if thats what you mean

[distant crystal]

oh /cancelaura Blessing of Protection bound to shield slam

[frosty ridge]

it's better to get into habit of using both trinket keybinds

[sweet summit]

Its whitelisted to warrior abilities

[plush tendon]

naw, you can macro some trinket if its a stat trinket

[distant crystal]

Well my warrior is level 50 and has the two haste trinkets from nyalotha equipped so idk that it's very relevant atm

😅

[orchid garden]

Other question:
almost everybody uses Ravager + Anger Management in high keys. Except Andybrew. He uses Into the fray and Heavy Repercussions.
Do you guys know if there is any specific reason why he is (the only one) using those talents?

[sweet summit]

He wants higher sb uptime

[distant crystal]

Andy's a snowflake

[jagged pier]

andy could run all left talents with his group

[orchid garden]

Maybe he got a great team but doesnt know on his alt. I got no clue.

[orchid garden]

Sure. But thats why i am asking. Is he just using something familiar or is there a specific reason?

[distant crystal]

p sure @sweet summit's answer is from Andy's lips on stream

[plush tendon]

His reasoning is that if SB is down, Prot War at those key levels will get one shot

[jagged pier]

as erga said its for the block uptime at those keys levels it really makes a difference

but u dont need that until like 24s

until them run AM rav

[orchid garden]

So its really about oneshots?!

[plush tendon]

Thats what he said from his stream

[orchid garden]

okay, thank you guys

[plush tendon]

He also feels that anger management isnt great for defensiveness since it only affects Avatar and SW, and Avatar isnt a defensive CD

[orchid garden]

So the overall reduction of dmg received, would still be better with AM?

[plush tendon]

Hed rather have Bolster or HR at those key levels

[jagged pier]

well it doenst really prevent 1 shots its just at that lvl of key theres a big differnce between 80% blockhits and 95%-100% blocked hits

[plush tendon]

At least, thats what I heard from him

[orchid garden]

Thanks to all of you.

[plush tendon]

TBH, I like the HR and ITF from what Ive experienced

[orchid garden]

HR is great, yeah. i really like it aswell

[plush tendon]

But I also enjoy that there are a couple of builds that seem viable

which is the whole point of the talent system

[jagged pier]

i mean 100% blocked hits is pretty busted

and u can compromise and run Rav with HR

[orchid garden]

I also love to play with a bit more mastery

[jagged pier]

but its makes weird prios

[orchid garden]

playing mostly fury in M+ i got a lot of mastery and just tried one +14 with HR

i barely received any dmg...

[plush tendon]

I mean, I dont think about stats personally

What I have, is what I have

[tame jasper]

@jagged pier Did you get my PM about logs / improving?

[orchid garden]

i like to play off the meta.

[plush tendon]

technically, being a Prot war is off meta 😛

[jagged pier]

yer but i got to finished work first u sent me a lot of stuff to look through

[orchid garden]

Ask me for playing Arms ❤️

[jagged pier]

well its weird prios because u want to prio SS but when rav is out / u have too much rage you want to prio revenge

[tame jasper]

@jagged pier Sure, wasn't unsure if you got it because of your DND status

[jagged pier]

oh im always DND so the boosting server im with dont ping me all the time

XD

[tame jasper]

😄

[wild hemlock]

yeah but if you have overwhelming power crystal or something similair you get fat crit and damage

[mighty cairn]

for starting off m sire, is the wall vs reprisal just personal preference?

also for those who've cleared with a vdh cotank, is it better for vdh to do the early platform jump and wracking, or is it basically the same

[signal plover]

I'm running wall/bolster on M sire. P1 is a snooze fest for tanks and then suddenly you're in the vietnam jungles of P2 getting your shit pushed in while healers figure out what the fuck is going on (this only gets worse in P3).

My cotank is a VDH but I've been doing the pre position jumps just because I prep shit ahead of time while he learns it live. Vdh may actually be better for it because it allows em to get chaos brand onto both sinsear (1st ranged add) and gloomveil (2nd ranged add) without much stress. This is assuming 2/2 strat in P2

Also, warrior/druid/pally taunt insta ports sire if he's outta melee while dh/dk/monk taunt does not (gg blizz). This means with leap taunt reset I can force sire to port if he's being a Lil bitch (which he is a lot)

[mighty cairn]

ah I see - thanks! yeah i saw a thread about some tank taunts being bugged on sire

yep we're running the 2 2 strategy also

[signal plover]

I try not to do it if it's not needed just cuz idk whether he might go taunt immune later or not.

[analog swift]

@mighty cairn it's probably better to have the VDH be the second tank there.

He got tag the various adds and his position "requires" multiple leaps. Probably the second platform you go to he'll be the one pulling sire away from duskhallow to aim the wracking into the abyss and then you get gripped in. That guy will also then have denny to bolt to the quick set of cabalists (I believe the third set)

[past dagger]

Really stuck on which cov to play. Would like something viable for all specs and all content. Tried them all out and still unsure. Sell me on your cov

[stark sage]

are you trying to plan for long term? if so just pick whatever for now then reevaluate when 9.1 comes out

[past dagger]

I know I’ll probably be switching again later once the patch just comes out. Just wondering what folks opinions are on the current state because I know they’re pretty close

[stark sage]

NF for overall PVE
if you pvp then it gets complicted

but NF isnt horrible in pvp either

banner is numerically good in basically all content if you have the right group for it as well

[past dagger]

What’s venthyr like for prot?

[stark sage]

its fine

not the best

"something viable for all specs and all content" to be fair all 4 covenants fit this description
NF is just the best in most situations

[past dagger]

Makes sense. Appreciate it.

[analog swift]

sorry if this is the wrong place for it