protection

[jagged pier]

if you care about race and you are on horde you play vulpera

[blazing condor]

for m+ vulpera is great as well with Nose For Trouble doing big 📈 heals

[jagged pier]

its racials are busted

[opal python]

yes i do plan on using whatever i can to push high. i mainly pvp and but for pve i know that racials' impact changes depending on tier/patch so i was wondering abt that

[still pagoda]

depends on how high

[opal python]

team wants to push 2.5k + but dont wanna get my hopes up just yet :P

still gotta gear and all, but wanted to just figure out why i see mostly orcs/vulperas now when arcane torrent and purging in general was a big thing back in bfa

[frosty ridge]

orcs because it's the best looking, and racials don't actually matter. I couldn't play a race if I hated how it looks.

[woven galleon]

Is seismic any good for farming keys at 14 and 15?

Trying to carry some scrub guildies, wondering if i should hold off getting the wall

Since im mainly in m+

[lofty widget]

seismic is great for pumping dmg but offers nothing defensively

[fresh belfry]

orc is also sick burst dps

its not just looks

[carmine prawn]

is there a magic % of haste we should aim for?

[woven galleon]

Ahhh okays thanks brah! Guess ill just stick with grinding out my soul ash to get a 235 wall then thanks!

[sweet summit]

nope

[solemn magnet]

Do you not have reprisal yet? Wall is good, but reprisal is better for m+

[subtle island]

xymox also ST no?

[novel steeple]

shriekwing and sludgefist too

[woven galleon]

Ohh im using a 235 reprisal and it has carried me through ksm, good stuff definitely BIS

Just that was thinking of getting a meme legendary like seismic to pump dps

[subtle island]

Ye I thought that

[subtle island]

leaper 235

[woven galleon]

Whoa whoa whoa thats true griefing my friend

[viscid agate]

i use leaper for torghast XD

getting all the leap powers

[fresh belfry]

no, because sludgefist dps is completely biased by pillar phases and shriekwing has a lot of downtime, also catering to cooldowns

sludgefist in particular is kind of a joke since youre sub 80% befoire the first pillar (:

[subtle island]

Being able to execute without sacrificing defensive completely probs means you'll get higher logs in progress/messier kills than you would if you're other cov no?

Looking at some high kyr logs for sludge, a lot of kyrian seem to be pumping execute, which is a less viable option if it's closer to the wire

Top end, where you're able to spear and execute without risk, maybe it'll push you higher, but in the "normal" range of logs, ven might win in a match up between execute+defensive vs. spear-and-no-execute

[signal plover]

gotta remember you get spear for every pillar tho

and on sludge you still have to dedicate rage to SB

but in the context of just the execute phase when you have excess rage, condemn will be strong

[fresh ruin]

as a nightfae, how is best to deal with necrotics when yo have a group of like 5 or 6 (and get 30 stacks)

other than just jumping =p

[torn lynx]

hello! I have started leveling in dungeons and my rotation feels "wierd", is it normal that I have to press nothing since I dont have exes rage for Revenge and both thunder clap and shield slam is on cd

[sweet summit]

ye it happens

[blazing condor]

Is there a range for Al'ar trinket or is it just anyone?

[sweet summit]

huh?

[lofty widget]

for when it procs?

[blazing condor]

yea

for the damage

[lofty widget]

its like a 3yd range

very small

[blazing condor]

ah ok

im contemplating if i should run splinter for Sludge but idk if its necessary yet. And if we end up in the burn phase where he charges the wall then i wouldnt wanna wipe everyone

[strong forum]

Na, sludge is omega comfy as tank

[blazing condor]

Yeah i found it to be absolutely fine

[strong forum]

Going defensives trinkets there is pointless

[blazing condor]

you can literally block every melee

just wanted to ask cus we havent consistently gotten to the enrage yet

[lime trail]

Is there any way to check how much banner is actually contributing to your raid's DPS? I'm contemplating going Kyrian but the one thing stopping me is the potential DPS loss by losing banner

[jagged pier]

well we have a spread sheet the shows the amount of dps gain over 5 mins / other scenarios

so add 2 of them together

minus ~200 dps becuase youll gain around that with kyrian over necro

and u have an approximate amount

of dps youll loose

if i remeber correctly the biggest was boomkin at like 350 dps increase over 5 mins

so in the perfect scenario on a 5 minute fight

necro will be ~500 dps increase over u going kyrian

[strong forum]

in a perfect scenario

[jagged pier]

TLDR its really not a big dps increase at all

[strong forum]

its good for situations where you want burst dps in a specific window

but for overall dps and QoL, not really fun nor impactful nor a big ( if at all ) gain

with the necro leggo in 9.1, it has a good chance to change but that remains to be seen

[novel steeple]

waiting for 9.1 to know if needing to switch or not is killing me

[strong forum]

"needing" is a strong word

you dont need to change at all

[jagged pier]

honestly i think in 9.1 it will be the same as now pick what you want

🤷

[strong forum]

and the leggo wont change that need

youre a tank afterall and 98-99% of what youre supposed to do wont change with your choice of covenant

if youre actually considering going necrolord seriously, i recommend doing it now and farm the renown

before you have double the chore of switching to necro and farming the renown in 9.1

[novel steeple]

i'm kyrian currently. dunno if i'll switch. happy with kyrian. legos are done. Just hesitent cause blizz been known to throw wrenches in the works

[strong forum]

it wont be enough to warrant a change from kyrian to necro outside of parsing, top end raiding or potentially world first keys

and we dont even know if / how broken the kyrian leggo might turn out

[jagged pier]

it wont be they gave that to the paladins

[novel steeple]

not a part of any of that. guild is 6/10 mythic. kinda casual mythic guild

[strong forum]

then your cov choice wont matter in the slightest

outside of your own ego

[novel steeple]

my ego is stoked when we kill bosses. other than that meh

[strong forum]

im actually severely depressed when we kill bosses

cuz it takes way too long to be happy about it

[jagged pier]

same

[blazing condor]

every kill is one kill closer to SLG

[jagged pier]

i would suggest quiting before you get there

[strong forum]

thats the worst part about being less than 8/10

every kill is just getting closer and closer

to the worst boss in a while

[blazing condor]

im kinda happy chillin on sludge rn

prot warr is imba

but we shouldve killed it a while ago

[strong forum]

yeah, my cotank actually needed externals

when i was his external

and just tanked both hits

like a chad

very fun boss for prot

[novel steeple]

first guild died at SLG. joined another that is 6/10. fun times re progging

[blazing condor]

it feels satisfying to utilize reprisal on sludge

for the 100% block

[median tulip]

Guys. Probably a stupid question, but. Am I crazy, or is this Sovereign Tanzanite worth socketing?

[sweet summit]

+6 stamina will very very very very very very rarely be the difference between life and death
+5 strength is worse than BFA +7 strength

imo, no

[median tulip]

Yeah I have one of the +7s socketed

I was just a bit surprised to see a gem with vaguely-competitive stats while farming a transmog

[sweet summit]

ya the gems with mainstat+secondary stat used to be OP in pre-patch

but they nerfed that fast

so now its just the mainstat+stam gems that have "full value"

[blazing condor]

where do you guys use demo shout for sludge?

if you got a specific spot

[jagged pier]

well as u run BV

on a pillar

for the extra damage

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what ive been doing

just wondered if the damage reduc could be used on roar or similar as well

not that its necessarily needed

but still

also is sonic damage spell reflectable?

[sweet summit]

no

nothing on sludge is magic damage

[blazing condor]

yeah makes sense

thanku thanku

[sleek fox]

Yo! wanted to ask if you lads knew if they was a haste cap

since im running "into the fray" i already get 33% haste most of the time, and i was wondering if stacking full haste is still worth or if getting more mastery would be better vOv

[sweet summit]

not really, no

once you get into 30% without ItF is where the diminishing returns kick in

but its only 10%

[sleek fox]

just trying to see the benefit of more haste basicly

[sweet summit]

so its not a big deal for now

[sleek fox]

cause i can already get a 100% uptime on shield block

so past that really, what does haste actually give, nothing right?

i guess more ignore pain?

[sweet summit]

still gives offensive and defensive benefits from AM and reduced gcd/cooldown on SS/TC etc

[sleek fox]

i dont run anger management

🙂

https://i.imgur.com/CC9bgCk.png

[sweet summit]

are u one of those weirdos running hr

oh yea

lmao

[sleek fox]

but yeah i guess it gives more ignore pain

thats not bad either

[sweet summit]

ya its higher rage generation

but thats not a lot

[sleek fox]

the diminishing is at how much?

[sweet summit]

id look more into vers then

[sleek fox]

yeah

[sweet summit]

30% stats from gear

like 1050 rating iirc

[sleek fox]

kk

im only at 215 ilevel so i guess for now i'll not bother to much

[sweet summit]

if youre only 215

kinda confused why youre running hr then actually

[sleek fox]

Why would you not?

[jagged pier]

because its the worst talent on the row

[sweet summit]

because youd get more value from AM

[sleek fox]

AM is gonna give you what exactly tho?

[sweet summit]

HR is the "very high key build"

a lot more avatar and SWs

[sleek fox]

im running 18's tho

[ionic fern]

😂

[sweet summit]

ya i dont understand the HR thing

[sleek fox]

well

it gives you ALOT more uptime on shield block

[ionic fern]

Sure...that's what it does.

But why do i need it? 👀

[sleek fox]

Because it allows me to not have to kite?

[sweet summit]

i get that its giga nice in high keys where you want to stay still and packs live for a long time

[sleek fox]

yeah

[ionic fern]

W/o HR/Bolster you're already hovering ~80% SB up-time.
ANd i'd much rather take the extra Avatars/SW's for the keys i'm doing

[sleek fox]

means i dont have to leap out / charge back in

[ionic fern]

On 18's you sshouldn't be needing to kite anyways.

[sleek fox]

etc

[sweet summit]

but in lower keys i havent ran into that issue

[sleek fox]

i dunno i feel like it allows me to stand still alot more

[ionic fern]

🤷

[sleek fox]

and reminds of the bfa play style

[ionic fern]

You do you.

[sleek fox]

[sweet summit]

imean all power to you

i just dont get it personally

tho id like to try it

[sleek fox]

i find it alot more fun

[sweet summit]

if i ever do a key again :P

[sleek fox]

since i dont particularly enjoy leaping away / charging back in

[ionic fern]

It's boring. 😦

[jagged pier]

i mean with repirsal AM basically give the wall leggo along with it

[sweet summit]

ya but i feel like i have to try it to have a valid opinion on it

[ionic fern]

I'm too busy spamming Revenge to notice that SS button light up.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sleek fox]

revenge > shield slam > revenge > shield slam

[jagged pier]

I just stand still and revenge regardless of key lvl

[sleek fox]

basic rotation

😄

[ionic fern]

Same.

[jagged pier]

i mean it worked fine in the few 20s ive tried

🤷

[sweet summit]

do you still play HR in halls, DoS and mists?

[sleek fox]

ofc

[jagged pier]

yer i wouldnt do that

not much benefit

as its lots of magic damage

you dont need the SB uptime

[ionic fern]

Do what you wanna doooooo.
There's no one stopping youuuuuuuuuuuu

[sleek fox]

indeed

defensive wise AM is gonna give you abit more shield wall, but i dont really see the benefit since it only lasts 8s

vOv

anyway

[ionic fern]

[sleek fox]

thanks for the informations

[jagged pier]

well i mean its like 1-1:30 min cd

[sturdy sable]

8s of wall every minute is pretty big

[jagged pier]

so u get it far more often

and as its part of our rotation to use it

[ionic fern]

That's a weird take considering blockable damage isn't a problem for us and having SW which reduces literally all the damage we struggle with more often is huge.

[jagged pier]

kinda good

and with AM more avatars so more rage as well

[sturdy sable]

Especially since you know... It can stack with bloxk if you absolutely have to and it covers unblockable hits

[jagged pier]

and more damage

[sleek fox]

Shout tends to be enouth, but yeah i totally get the benefit

i'll see when i hit 20s i guess

[sturdy sable]

For some reason people don't value tank DPS.. I have no idea why

[sleek fox]

I do

But i also like to not have to kite

🙂

[jagged pier]

after, can u stay alive its the next thing

[jagged pier]

but u dont need to kite with AM

🤷

so your agrument of i need HR so i can stand still

[sleek fox]

kite & leap out / charge back in

[jagged pier]

falls apart

[sleek fox]

i really hate the whole having to charge back into a pack mid pull thing

vOv

[jagged pier]

but u want to charge weave otherwise your not getting the value out of reprisal

[sweet summit]

whats vOv

[jagged pier]

if you aint charge weaving u may as well run the wall

[sleek fox]

its a head with arms up @sweet summit

[jagged pier]

\o/ ?

[sweet summit]

oh 😂

[sleek fox]

i do use the charge, just the least possible, but i'll try the wall lego at some point

yes

@jagged pier but im far to lazy to reach to / \

[jagged pier]

well if your charging as little as possible

u arent getting the use out of reprisal

and if u care about dps u should be as the revenge prox

along with BSC

[sweet summit]

let the man do what he wants 😂

[jagged pier]

he can do what he wants im just saying

🤷

[sweet summit]

sounds like youre trying to convince him to join a religion or something 😂

[sleek fox]

@jagged pier i totally get what your saying dw 🙂

its just currently the playstyle i like, is working for the level of keys im doing

[jagged pier]

i like HR i wish i could take it but its not worth

[sleek fox]

• this week trying out stuff is not really representative anyway

[sweet summit]

so whats the deal with ItF over ravager with HR

[ionic fern]

SS CDR prolly

[sleek fox]

Yeah alot more SS procs

[lofty widget]

what's the avg cpm of SS with itf?

[sweet summit]

over a 5 minute sim ItF has ~8 more SS casts for me atm

[jagged pier]

was gunna say wouldnt have thought it would be that much

[lofty widget]

soo, 30-40 more casts depending on dungeon, doesnt seem that high considering what we're losing?

[sweet summit]

makes me think ravager is better

[jagged pier]

i would say rav is better

1 because i like rav

and 2 it pumps and the rage

[lofty widget]

like it's 10 % more SS at the expense of 2-3k rage from ravager

• the dam

maybe with HR the value of those 10 % is higher

[sweet summit]

ye idk

id love to talk to one of the HR enthusiasts up on the ladder

[jagged pier]

i mean may not be more rage

as it increases the amount of rage from every SS by 3

so over a whole dungeon thats a fair bit of rage

thought it increases SS damage as well but im guessing thats an old version

[sweet summit]

thats the BFA one

[lofty widget]

it is definitely more rage to play rav, in a spires i had 366 SS casts and 34 rav casts, thats still 1.6k more rage with rav

^with HR

[solemn magnet]

Plka was running HR most of yesterday in 15s.

[ionic fern]

Really easy to check out.
Just look at your SS casts and x3.
I'm probably a bad example since i just spam Revenge but i had 257 SS casts in a +16 i just did..so that's 771 extra rage i would have had from HR.
And Ravager gave me 1.7k. 😄

[ionic fern]

Plka was just testing it out.
Don't think he's a "enthusiast" of it.
Can just ping him and ask tho. 🤷

[solemn magnet]

Yeah, I didnt mean he was

Just that it's someone to talk to

[modern brook]

hi yes its me; HR enthusiast

i run it soley to confuse noobs

[hot oxide]

Plka stated on his stream, he does it purely for the additional up time on SB.

[ionic fern]

I mean..that's what the talent does

So that's a given.

😂

[solemn magnet]

Makes it easier to read chat xD

[sweet summit]

that makes sense

[jagged pier]

[amber herald]

i like HR but I wouldn't give it up for AM

I thought bolster was greater SB uptime anyway?

[lofty widget]

HR is more uptime, but also more RNG, however that is in some degree countered by having high uptime already from reprisal

[amber herald]

also 4minute SW :/

[jagged pier]

3:30

[lofty widget]

less avatar, SW and rage for more SB

[sleek fox]

Your comparing reprisal to HR rage generation

Even tho they aren't on the same line

You need to compare ITF + HR Vs ravager then

Feeling wise I'm getting a lot more SS proc's with ITF + hr

[jagged pier]

we did erga simed it

it gave him 8 more SS over 5 mins

[sleek fox]

Sim's tho

[jagged pier]

i mean it is rng yes

[sleek fox]

I don't trust sims

[ionic fern]

Just log it.

And check.

[sleek fox]

I'll look tomorrow

[lofty widget]

it's fair to assume that ITF adds another 10 % to your SS casts?

[sleek fox]

Logging isn't super reliable tho

[lofty widget]

even then it doesnt outperform ravager

[jagged pier]

what

how is logging not reliable?????

[sleek fox]

If you do 2 runs

One with each build

[ionic fern]

Neither is your "Feeling wise".

[sleek fox]

You may get different results simply from external elements

@ionic fern never said feeling was reliable

[lofty widget]

your playstyle doesnt change depending on external elements

[jagged pier]

most reilable way we have 🤷

[lofty widget]

you will still press SS on CD etc.

[sleek fox]

@lofty widget not gonna agree there, if you wipe or someone body pulls an extra pack you didn't want. Or no one stops the aoe around the mob in say mist

That may change numbers of SS casts

[ionic fern]

Okay.

So

It's impossible to gauge.

🙂

Easy.

[lofty widget]

for sure

[sleek fox]

😂 @ionic fern yes? 😀

Jk

[lofty widget]

but even ninja pulls are not gonna change your playstyle, i mean if you pull an extra pack do you all of a sudden not press SS?

[sleek fox]

Because you have to kite for example

[jagged pier]

but you said you dont kite

thats why u run HR

🤔

[sleek fox]

And in the other run you didn't have to because it's not the same pull

[lofty widget]

so you dont compare those two logs, of course you cant compare apples to pears

you want to compare two similar logs to get the best estimate

[sleek fox]

Yeah but realistically getting 2 similar logs isn't easy

At least from my experience...

[lofty widget]

having two keys where youre allowed to play optimally is kinda easy

[coral kayak]

Is there a cap on shield block timer ? Like can you use the 2 chargers, leap away and charge for reptisal and its all add up or there is a cap ?

[plush tendon]

18 seconds is the cap

[feral dock]

Just swapped from fae to kyrian. How do you utilize spear of the bastion?

Should i keep it in case i need to kite? Or do you use it on cd for damage?

[sweet summit]

just on cd for damage

[tacit smelt]

Personally i burn it on cd, usually dont run into situations where i need to utilize the tether component of it

[dusky mica]

on cd when you have low rage

try not to use ravager and spear together since you will lose some rage if you're not eyeballing your ragebar all the time

[misty charm]

Hey guys, ive logged a SD run because i feel like sometimes im taking more damage than i should. Anyone cares to have a look at it? 😮

it wasnt a good run by any means but i wanna know what i could do better rotation whise

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKXQ1rLkN9CPdJwR/#fight=last

[unique shale]

damage taken looks normal to me maybe healer was slacking to heal you fast so you thought you are taking too much damage

[misty charm]

do you see any rotational issues?

also side question: am i right that i dont use shieldblock at all on the last boss of necroctic wake? only IP

[sweet summit]

you can block the "auto attacks"

so you want to still use SB

[unique shale]

[misty charm]

but those are all spells?

those are blockable? 👀

[sweet summit]

sir

[misty charm]

pog

i got confused by it because the dmg number is purple which is normally magic dmg

[unique shale]

oh find it

you don't using SR at all

and low SS cast

and no enchant on some of items

[misty charm]

SR?

[weak dune]

is there a way for prot warriors to soak a set of orbs on the 3rd boss of spires ( assuming non trivial key)?

[unique shale]

try use rallying cry on pride and boss to insure nobody die

[unique shale]

shield reflect

[misty charm]

ah i see

i felt like im overusing SB sometimes

as in i use them to early and end up not having them when i need them

[unique shale]

but you mitigated nothing with SR

[misty charm]

i meant SB not SR

assuming SB = Shieldblock?

[unique shale]

srr i mean SS

[misty charm]

oh

does shield slam have the highest prio even in AoE?

[unique shale]

no

[misty charm]

so i have low shieldslam cast and i dont use SR

[unique shale]

yeah

read this

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

[misty charm]

ooh that is needy, thanks

if SR is consumed does the 20% dmg reduction end aswell?

[marble cipher]

yes

[unique shale]

btw fit Unnerving Focus into your soulbind cause Brutal Vitality is meh

[misty charm]

will do

[unique shale]

so you get more rage when you are using last stand cause you had low last stand use

[misty charm]

which one should i use first? last stand or shieldwall?

[unique shale]

for what ?

[misty charm]

like lets say i set up a big pull

and want to use a defense cooldown preemptive

[unique shale]

Charge,aftersock, ranvenger, avater, demo shout, SB, IP, and ravage until you dry out of rage then kite to rest stacks or stay (if they were low hp) and use SW

[misty charm]

aftershock before avatar?

[unique shale]

does it effect its damage ? idk cause i not a night fea

[misty charm]

im not 100% sure but id say so since avatar is a flat 20% dmg buff

[unique shale]

yeah rotation above is a way to give you idea how to do big pull

[misty charm]

i see ty 🙂

[unique shale]

it can have more things in or less

[misty charm]

thanks for all the tipps!

[unique shale]

use Inspiring Presence conduit instant of Safeguard cause saving everybody is better than saving one guy

[misty charm]

need to get it first 👀

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-wtf-blinking-okay-gif-7513882

[novel steeple]

glad to see that list...mine is almost identical. i'm not a total noob, just mostly

[viral axle]

how is kyrian faring now over night fae? im currently NF was was thinking about swapping back to kyrian for pot and soulbinds

[wet osprey]

do you guys use berzerker rage?

[sweet summit]

If im incapped/feared/whatever, or about to be, yeah

[novel steeple]

I believe it doesn't matter which one you pick

[solemn magnet]

Kyrian has always been great.

[spring umbra]

totally unfamiliar with locks but maybe one of you knows. Theres really no reason for a lock to run any other pet than felhound in m+ right? for the interrupt? iirc the pet dmg is normalized now?

[solemn magnet]

The imp can dispel iirc, but yeah, usually felhound

[spring umbra]

ah yea true

[solemn magnet]

Assuming they're not demo

[spring umbra]

yea i think they have a petless thing right?

been awhileeeeee

[solemn magnet]

Grimiore of sac gives up the pet for more lock dmg, but honestly, they end up not netting anything.

[spring umbra]

rgr

[solemn magnet]

And you only get 50% out of the best leggo not having a pet out

[valid sleet]

Does anyone know if the kyrian phial gets rid of Scorn on Sire?

[vestal moat]

Don’t think so

[lavish oracle]

I'm about 80% sure it does not

[shut summit]

it doesnt

[lavish oracle]

It does clear remornia bleed in p2

[timber arrow]

Hey folks, wanting to try prot for the first time. I decently geared fury. Where do I get a half decent shield without paying 25k?

[grand drum]

pvp, raid, m+

[blazing anvil]

do you guys find necro tank fun?

thinking of having necro as my tank alt

[timber arrow]

yeah I want to do those things but I have no shield

[sweet summit]

Necro is cool

Got some good soulbinds

And if u can coordinate banner

Its super strong for group dps

But you lose out on personal dps

[sturdy sable]

DPS until you get a shield

[torpid fiber]

220 haste vers gloves or 226 crit haste?

[fierce field]

I'd go with ilvl

[vagrant vine]

@blazing anvil went Necro for the feels, stayed Necro for the . . . Feels. Seriously though it's fine.

[ionic nimbus]

Necro is fine, banner is cool to play and fleshcraft is super strong. Would say necro is slightly behind NF and NF slightly behind Kyrian

[warped mulch]

@viral axle Night fae is theoretically better for damage with aftershock vs spear but mobs in M+ are more likely to move of out aftershock than spear. On bosses aftershock should do lightly better for damage but you lose bleed cleanse with kyrian potion. Its pretty much a matter of preference between the two, though I think the potion is far better than the movement cool down for prot warrior considering we already have leap, charge, and intercept

[light sorrel]

Hi friends! Quick two questions. I see a lot of the top logs using Into the Fray over Unstoppable Force/Ravager. Is there a big difference between the 3? Also, I see a lot of people using Devestator. I imagine this is good because it frees up a lot of globals?

Oh also, with AM, does Avatar and Ravager line up? I'm not sure how much reduction you get from using AM in 45 seconds.

[plush tendon]

Ive been playing around with the HR and ITF build; you do give up a decent amount of damage, but it increases your SB uptime quite a bit especially on bosses. You do lose out on the SW uptime though as the trade off

So i think both are viable, I think it may depend on what you need

Ill probably go back to Ravager AM though; I think Id rather have the dam; still need to try HR and ravager though which may be a happy compromise

[light sorrel]

Does Ravager line up with Avatar with AM or do you have to hold Ravager for a bit?

[plush tendon]

It basically lines up

I wouldnt hold either

[light sorrel]

Ah okay, cool, that's good

I wanted to give that a try with booming and pump some dam

[plush tendon]

You dont need Booming Voice

[light sorrel]

Do you like Devastator at all or do you play Punish ever?

[plush tendon]

BSC if you are using reprisal

and devastator all the way

[tame jasper]

Devastator and bsc

[light sorrel]

I find I barely have enough globals to push Devastate so that's why I asked

[plush tendon]

At this point, I cant believe I played all of BFA without it

[tame jasper]

Oh too slow 😂

[light sorrel]

I will be playing Reprisal, why BSC with it?

[plush tendon]

Revenge does a lot of our damage

[tame jasper]

Daaammmaaaaaaaaggge

[light sorrel]

Is Booming+Avatar+Ravager not big?

[plush tendon]

Eh

[light sorrel]

It's hard to tell because the logs for damage and healing are both 94%+ booming and 70%+ Into the Fray

so I'm just confused on why there is such a difference between what we want to play here and what people are playing

[plush tendon]

This week booming has a place due to Necrotic and Tyran

[light sorrel]

Oh sorry, I'm talking for raid

I should have mentioned 😛

[plush tendon]

oh, yea Booming XD

BSC less useful in raid

except Mythic SLG

[light sorrel]

Yeah, I was confused haha

Makes sense

[plush tendon]

and AM in raid

SB uptime less important since you taunt swap most of the time

[light sorrel]

Is there a big difference between Unstoppable Force DPS compared to Ravager?

[plush tendon]

and use ITF for raid as well

Ravager also less useful

dont use Unstoppable at this point in time

[light sorrel]

Is there a big gap? If it's sub 100 DPS, I'd rather press ravager. ITF is real boring

[plush tendon]

Thunderclap is low prio rage builder at this point

[light sorrel]

Fair enough

[plush tendon]

Is less about the DPS, its pretty much consistent 10% haste

you could run either, but I prefer ITF for raid

except of course M SLG (this fight is different)

[light sorrel]

I want to have the most fun during my Avatar window but I'll try both

[plush tendon]

Neither option is bad for raid; just not unstoppable is basically what you should do xD

[blazing anvil]

shield wall + ignore pain = ?

[jagged pier]

for what?

[blazing anvil]

what damage reduction

[jagged pier]

100% depends on the situation

IP is to smooth damage after u have sb up

and shwild wall is to also help out damage and to fill gaps in sb uptime

and to use oin big hits of any kind of damage

[blazing anvil]

like what %

[warm remnant]

% of "omfg this hurts".

If you're trying to use it near dead, chances are you're dead in my experience #blamethehealer

[jagged pier]

thats blame yourself

you need to mitigate the damage before it happens

[warm remnant]

That's why it was #, not just saying blame the healer 😉

[chilly brook]

Well it goes like this

Shield wall is 50% dr

IP then takes 50% of whatever is left until the absorb is eaten

IP really isn't a DR so you can't really calculate it as a %

Aka you take an unmitigated hit for 100 damage

You pop shield wall which means it would only be 50

But if you popped ignore pain and it had an absorb value of 10 you'd end up only taking 40 damage

Or if you took a hit for 20 and used shield wall you'd be left with 10 damage

If you had an ignore pain worth 10 damage you would end up taking 5 damage and having 5 left on your ignore pain

All this to say that IP isn't a DR it's an absorb that's meant to smooth damage intake

[jade tartan]

Guys, I'm sorry if you get this a LOT. How's Prot looking in 9.1 for both raid and M+?
I've done all 9.0 w/ KSM as Prot pala

[sand condor]

ngl

it's looking pretty decent

especially with fury and arms so far not being very impressive

(excuding fury for M+)

so pwar looks solid so far for raid

[jagged pier]

same spot its in now, every good

as nothing is really changing

kyrian might be OP as fuck though as we still havent seen the leggo for them yet

[jade tartan]

Which Cov are prots using atm for M+?

[strong forum]

All of em

[sand condor]

anything

yep

[strong forum]

Choose the one you like best

[jagged pier]

actually we are all hard core and havent chosen a cov

[jade tartan]

very nice! First time I'm hearing a class on such conditions!

[fathom spindle]

Which Soulbind do you prefer as Night Fae?
Dreamweaver is a no no due to the pod i reckon, but between Niya and Korayn?

[jagged pier]

NIYA GOES BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[strong forum]

Niya raid
Korayn m+ big damage

And niya in m+ if you want a more defensive approach (mastery)

[fathom spindle]

Face your Foes seem strong though, but i think you mean Korayn for M+ if you run with First strike for that juicy snapthreat? 🙂

[strong forum]

You mean snap damage

[fathom spindle]

Touché

[sand condor]

first strike

is mega

also

i hate the stupid terrible endurace conduit that heals for grievious wounds

why is it only 20%

and not 100%

[fathom spindle]

So, which 2 Enddurance do you usually run?

[sand condor]

the one that reduces CD on shieldwall

and the one that makes more rage for last stand

[jagged pier]

stalwart and unerving

[fathom spindle]

Gotcha fams, ty 🙂

[sand condor]

i chuckled

[limber temple]

I really wish they would do something with Venthyr and Prot. I continue to maintain Venthyr as I enjoy all the Tea Party stuff but urgh.

[unique shale]

love venthyr but i couldn't hold myself to go kyrain

probably be back to venthyr again since i hate kyrain vibes

9.1 versa buff after haste buff look sick

maybe even shift tank meta from kyrain to venthyr

[crisp dragon]

Honesty I wish they worked on some of the endurance conduits, its crazy how they thought it was a good idea to make the IP conduit be such a minuscule amount of %

6,4% = 226 of lets say a 12k DPS burst is like 600 per second

[stiff tusk]

w

[sweet summit]

Ye its very sad

[crisp dragon]

It's got so much potential, its so much more fun than MOAR SHIELD WALL

[strong forum]

They designed em in mind with 9.3.5 values where it will be a 20% increase, but first we have to suffer for 3 tiers

[sweet summit]

Give iron maiden

[crisp dragon]

9.0 has been

[strong forum]

Cuz that makes perfect sense!

[sweet summit]

Nuke fbv

[crisp dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dance-moves-skeleton-get-low-drop-it-down-gif-18832451

Lower shield wall CD simulator

[strong forum]

I thought you meant motivation to play the game

[still pagoda]

[crisp dragon]

The idea of pushing keys

The reality

[blazing condor]

pushing last week was dope tho

gained like 300 rio through pugging

[crisp dragon]

I did gain like 200 myself, it was pretty pog, but I still just dont really like it, maybe cause pogging is sadge

[blazing condor]

feels like it gets easier and easier to pug the higher you go

being stuck around 17s are mega aids

but doing 20s is usually not that bad

[crisp dragon]

I managed a few 17 keys, but it's mainly just a biproduct of me having to do weeklies and feel like its wasted time to do 14s cause I get no visible profits before week is over

[blazing condor]

yeah i feel you

rio score is incredibly hollow when it comes down to it

But i like seeing ranks go 📈

[jagged pier]

[edgy jay]

I have less trouble doing a +15 or +16 in pug than a +12 or +13 these daus

Days*

(Can't really go higher, my war is an alt and only 200 ilvl)

But yeah, below 15 is really hard. Players don't know basic strats of bosses (tyrannic weeks makes that really obvious)

[limber temple]

I was really hoping condemn in Prot would keep IP up or something.

[crisp dragon]

Sounds like potential to me

[blazing condor]

every condemn you get a minute of SB

[plush tendon]

or just let us cleave condemn?

[crisp dragon]

Sweeping strikes confirmed op op

[plush tendon]

I dont see sweeping strikes on my Prot bars 😦

[crisp dragon]

[plush tendon]

Revenge should let our next SS or Execute cleave

[crisp dragon]

Maybe charge or smth instead, Revenge already has so much built into it

[real vine]

Do we not get revenge procs in castle nathria? I felt like I was getting 0 during my first night doing huntsman devourer and lady

[raw void]

yeah they removed it when you are in only in castle

[strong forum]

It's 3ppm

There's not much to notice anyway

[sick sentinel]

Whats the optimal lege for m+ content?

[plush tendon]

Reprisal

[wild hemlock]

reprisal

[jagged pier]

depends on the dungeon and the lv of key

[sick sentinel]

Just started to gear my prot and im looking up for lege

But that lege seems good

[modern brook]

Reprisal or Wall; tlords distant 3rd

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, the Wall feels like a distant 2nd outside of some very specific circumstances

(For M+)

[modern brook]

yeah cause reprisal was designed to buy the dev team time to fix prots problems

between the huge dungeon nerfs since its release and the natural inflation of stats to come

I think you'll see a return to form as reprisals value becomes less necesary

but thats all science that has yet to be validated

Probably closer to reality: we'll continue to see usage of Reprisal because its a great bandaid for opening on packs etc and frankly we dont have leggos that really make a difference in any significant way so theres no real reason to replace it.

Wall being the closest option as more frequent shield walls would allow you to mongo pull more inline with your combust windows

[chilly brook]

Kekw bro

[modern brook]

My guy doesnt even realize he can press condemn on prot warrior

T-T

[coral kayak]

For my NA people, is upper reachers up for reprisal ?

[chilly brook]

Just llarold things

[carmine prawn]

Am i suppose to have both ignore pain and the block buff up together? Or seperate them?

[chilly brook]

You dont need it to be up

Just go reroll twisting corridors layer 3 until its upper reaches @coral kayak

[coral kayak]

Yeah i know, cba doing TC

[chilly brook]

You only need to do the first boss aka 6 floors

[modern brook]

I'll never understand that

[modern brook]

They do seperate things

and those things compliment eachother

So "yes"

but theres many situations where you'd have 1 and not the other still

[carmine prawn]

Have both of them up as much as i can?

[modern brook]

ie: if you're not taking blockable damage, SB loses priority

[chilly brook]

It's pretty simple tbh, block and if you're ok then you spend rage on revenge. If youre blocking blockable damage and still need to smooth damage then hit IP

[modern brook]

^ p much that

[modern brook]

uptimes dont really tell the whole story

[chilly brook]

Its not really about having it up as much as you can

[modern brook]

You want to have them up when you need them

[chilly brook]

It's about using the right tool for the right job

At the right times

[carmine prawn]

Will follow this rule

[chilly brook]

Also

Last boss of NW

Make sure you block

It's a physical projectile not a magic projectile

[carmine prawn]

The ice bolt?

[chilly brook]

Yep

[carmine prawn]

Ooooh. Now i know

[chilly brook]

Doesn't do magic damage

Its physical

[plush tendon]

That boss is literally dumbed down Jaina

[chilly brook]

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

Very helpful

[carmine prawn]

Will go through that and try to remember

[chilly brook]

CBA to do one hour at the most of TC to get your lego but willing to wait weeks

👀

Like you could legit just boss rush the first two layers of TC

And knock them both out combined in 20 minutes likely

And then it's just 6 floors of layer 3

[coral kayak]

Ill check if i have layer 3 unlocked, if i do then ill do it, if not then i wont do layer 1 and 2 since this warr is my 4th alt

[chilly brook]

If you've done it on any other class it should be unlocked

[coral kayak]

Did it on my druid, noice .. my bad i thought its tuesday thats why i asked about NA

[remote hawk]

The fuck is that for BS of blizz...ty for the info lol. Been using ip AMD reflect lile a madman xD

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/7d87bf0783e28d483a3afe56bf58d947

so my guildies were deathrolling

[modest osprey]

oof

[strong forum]

lmao

[jagged pier]

big F

[still pagoda]

F

[signal plover]

does that mean they die IRL?

[lapis elbow]

Guys, what is your average damage mitigate in dungeons? I just got around 70% so wanna know how bad/good it is 😄

[jagged pier]

what do you mean do u mean total? melees? where are you getthing the 70% from ?

also depends on leggo

etc

[lapis elbow]

from total dmg taken

[jagged pier]

i get around 80% but thats not the big one to look at tbh

i only really care about how much % of melees i block

[lapis elbow]

I m checking after dungeon, how much dmg I took, how much I healed and how much a healer healed and how much dmg I prevented/mitigated? Those are good indicators if I was failing the run or not right?

[strong forum]

i just look at dmg done

i know if i did well on the dmg taken part

by feelycraft

[jagged pier]

i look at damage done and blocked hits

[strong forum]

and how the run went

[jagged pier]

if i dont die ive done my job

wasted rage some times as well

but in general if your not dying

your mitigating enough

[grizzled forge]

So when that update says that the sinful surge doesn’t interact well with bolster does that just mean it doesn’t extend the shield block effect just the extra health from LS?

[jagged pier]

just gives the hp

[grizzled forge]

Gotcha useless

[jagged pier]

doesnt give the rage gen from the conduit either

[grizzled forge]

Lol

Can’t wait to see what they come up with for kyrian

Or have they shown yet and I missed it

[jagged pier]

if its anything like paladins

im in

[grizzled forge]

I didn’t see pallets what’s there’s

Paladins

[jagged pier]

every 10 seconds after they cast divine toll they cast it again for 30 seconds

but that was dataminded dont think its on the PTR yet

[grizzled forge]

Ah

[jagged pier]

so with the mikanos change

thats divine toll every 10 seconds

as it will have a 40 second cd

[grizzled forge]

Ya nuts

[modern brook]

Bro i cant wait to bea ble to cast demo shout every 10 seconds :/

[jagged pier]

pog with BV

[weak dune]

is there a way for prot warriors to solo soak an orb set on the 3rd boss of spires?

[jagged pier]

yer

save your cds

and demo

and scale

then make sure you get back to the boss asap

to gen rage for IP

works upto 18 tyrn at least

[weak dune]

what's your cd order look like generally?

demo first, soak 6 orbs, wall?

[rancid ember]

Soak a couple before you use any CD's. Like 3-5

[jagged pier]

demo as you leave the boss, ip to pick it up LS at 3 stacks then spam IP if u can then SW 9-10 scale in the middle at like 6-7

then run back and start getting that rage

[rancid ember]

I wouldn't last stand until you've soaked almost all of them. That's when the DOT actually starts ticking for alot.
3-5 Soak -> Demo -> SW->SR -> Last stand as needed once boss becomes active if you're not topped.
You also never have to leave the boss. Just make sure no1 stands next to u as the get pulled in. They splash AoE dmg

[light thicket]

I mean if you last stand and ravager you can get a lot of rage

For IP

[rancid ember]

Yeah. Again use Last Stand late so you have increased HP when Boss is Active again (+10 stack dot ticking on you) and you're pumping rage.

I did 21 Fort (Prob similar to 18 Tyr) doesn't feel bad at all to soak all the orbs tbh

[jagged pier]

LS lasts longer and gives u rage gen when u want to spam to keep yourself alive imo better to pop early

not like early but at some stacks

[weak dune]

thanks, really helpful tips. I'll give it a try next time- having to rely on pugs to soak is super annoying

[rancid ember]

Doesn't really matter when you pop SW or LS, just have one of them ready for when boss is active again +10 stack dot ticking on you.

[jagged pier]

i mean if u pick up the orbs asap

[light thicket]

Hunters will always be huntards

[jagged pier]

u dont have the dot active for more than 1 tick tbh

so u dont need the cd at the end

[weak dune]

the worst is every dps starts trying to soak and splashing each other then you end up with 3 dead dps 🙂

[rancid ember]

DPS should just be DPS'ing as hard as they can that phase in my experience. It's easier when you take duties off your pugs too.

[weak dune]

yup 100% agreed

[still pagoda]

nah, the conception is that you guys are rolling from a certain high number, and each roll you roll from 1 to the last rolled number

he who gets to 1 first - wins

[rancid ember]

This is the only time you should definitely need a CD. It's the only time my HP dips low is when I'm at 10 Stacks and the boss just became active again.

[wild hemlock]

heh, whats a scale

[jagged pier]

which is why i said save SW for 10 stacks

[rancid ember]

🤷

[light thicket]

And your prize is giving away all your gold so you are free from a materialistic world

[still pagoda]

depends on the iteration of the rules. Sometimes its fixed, sometimes it's made out of a donated prize pool

depends-depends

[sand condor]

ayo jake

what did you run on slg

leg wise

[jagged pier]

i was running reprisal

i was on adds so ez to use

[covert heron]

My guild main tank is out this week and I have to tank mythic CN for my guild. Seems like it's 50-50 on Reprisal or The Wall. Which Legendary would the people here recommend?

If i only had enough soul ash for 1*

[jagged pier]

which ever you like

[covert heron]

KK

[blazing condor]

wall is probably a bit safer

[jagged pier]

repirsal is harder to use and get used to

so if your the back up id say make the wall eaiser to use

[covert heron]

Sounds good thanks

[marble cipher]

I always thought the one that rolls 1 first loses ('dies'), til 😋

[blazing condor]

thats how we play

[distant crystal]

I sometimes do a rule that if anyone rolls max they auto-win

kinda kills the suspenseful 5 2 rolls in a row

[blazing condor]

98 parse on sludge and we wipe on the last few precentages cus someone messes up

[patent osprey]

HR + ITF -> Not sold on it TBH. I like the 100% uptime of Shield block, but I find it doubles down on already prot warrior strengths which is physical damage and doubles down on our weakness against Bleeds/Magic dam. It loses complete value whenever you have to kite as opposed to Ravager + AM. HR is super nice in keys between 15-21 cause its pretty AFK, u don't have to do anything special, but instant threat is kinda wonky without ravager, so you can lose to combusting mage. I haven't tested it on Fort though, and Andybrew is pumping with this build in high keys. (But andy brew could run all his talents on the left side for fun and would still time 25s cause he + his crew are bosses)

I also speculate that it is less damage overall than Rav + AM due to Avatar, even if you can kite less technically

[plush tendon]

I noticed about a 400 DPS decrease overall with this build over the course of a dungeon

[jagged pier]

i mean it depends on overall dps of the group and stuff

so if your group pumps like andy brews gunna do stonks dps

[plush tendon]

It was super nice on bosses though and has the added benefit of not having to rely on intervene and charge to keep good uptime during a fight where you may not be able to go in and out

Have you tried Ravager and HR as a compromise yet?

[patent osprey]

yeah it all depends right. Because yes, technically you don't have to kite as much, but on packs that do magic or bleed, u still have to kite. Doesn't matter if u have HR or AM. You wouldn't gain anymore uptime. Also on fort there are big mobs like the giant skeles in DOS that still break ur face on high keys through SB, so you still have to kite

[patent osprey]

yes on Bosses, its POG. Esp on Last boss of NW

But end of the dam wins end of the day in my opinion for high keys. So whatever causes the most dps overall for the group, should be the meta spec. But its nice to see more than 1 set of talents for Prot warrior high keys

[patent osprey]

I have not, but it is a good compromise HOWEVER, it makes it a bit confusing because with HR you prioritize SS over everything basically but in Ravager you want to spam Revenge. So changing priority makes me

[jagged pier]

i mean its an alright build tbh lets not lie and the compromise is good, but im a pleb compared to all of u high guys so i can run my AM and rav and be happy

[ionic fern]

Just run War Machine like a real man.

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

@patent osprey I have always prioritized SS over revenge unless I’m about to rage cap (and sometimes I’ll even IP to get rid of excess rage) is this wrong?

[blazing condor]

WM/RE/DR/M/NS/UF/HR

the real chad build

[jagged pier]

[fathom spindle]

Just started raiding some HC now, and i don't have "The Wall" legendary yet, only Reprisal.

Obviously due to Bolstering i can keep my shield block up alot, but there's still some downtime at times (especially on sludge etc).
Do you guys use Demo shout as a filler for when you have downtime?

[jagged pier]

demo shout u use on cd / for damage as it will line up with avatar

if your running AM

like in raid you should be running BV

and on sludge for instance u can use avatar and demo every pillar

for dps

as will repirsal u should have 95-100% melee coverage

[fathom spindle]

BV?

[jagged pier]

so u dont need defensives

booming voice

[fathom spindle]

Ahh, ofc

Thanks mate.

Yeah, we had no issues or anything, just wanted to make sure everything was done correct 🙂

[hollow pine]

Never having used HR, it only extends a current sb right? Not provide 1sec

[rugged dawn]

Yes sir.

[jagged pier]

and increase rage that SS generates

[hollow pine]

Cool, thinking of running it when our guild reaches sire m

Ah yes ofc

[jagged pier]

i mean im using AM atm and having no issues

i dont think its worth in raid

if u want the extra block u take bolstering

in raid

[hollow pine]

Same been running bsc rav/itf am mostly

[jagged pier]

in m+ thats fine

in raid that is not good

BV ITF are better for raid / ST dps

DR its better for somepeople on sims as well

[hollow pine]

Well it was fine for sludge mythic and slg, but slg is like m+ in dmg profile

Before that i was on monk

[chilly brook]

If you're on sludge and you have reprisal you should have 0 downtime

[jagged pier]

i mean u can run any talents in raid and be fine

but there are sub optimal ones

[chilly brook]

Even with AM

[hollow pine]

Yeah i will probably have enough tries to figure it out

Extra rage from hr might be nice on sire though for more ip

[chilly brook]

No

Just no

[jagged pier]

but i get loads of rage from repirsal as it is

like more than i need

[chilly brook]

No need for HR

[hollow pine]

Yeah i never used it, just thinking about possible pros

[jagged pier]

so 2% of prots are using HR on sire

[hollow pine]

With reprisal i always used am so far

[jagged pier]

compared to 81% using bolster

the rest AM

im using AM till i get to a point where i feel i need bolster

which is what i usually do

[hollow pine]

Yeah bolster safest choice probably

[dry kite]

so I have a 194 stone legion heraldry, a 194 (upgradeable) viscera of coalesced hatred, and a 200 darkmoon indomitable. any input on which trinkets youd go with? farming for a scale of course but otherwise not sure whats better

[sweet summit]

slh+vicera

darkmoon indom is kinda very dogshit

[dry kite]

sounds good, thank you!

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit weeb

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

the darkmoon haste one is good actually

that lasted me a long time

[patent osprey]

Er, u can Prio SS over revenge if you want for survivability, but in Ravager windows, u want to spam Revenge as much as possbile because u have so much free rage to SB and IP

[wet osprey]

do you guys use berzerker rage?

[sweet summit]

i answered you yesterday :(

[wet osprey]

i didnt see sorry

[sweet summit]

If im incapped/feared/whatever, or about to be, yeah

[wet osprey]

gotcha, but it doesnt generate extra rage right?

[sweet summit]

nope

[wet osprey]

so its like will of forsaken

[sweet summit]

yah

[patent osprey]

Its better 🙂

[wet osprey]

i gotcha, thank you for being kind about it

[patent osprey]

U don't have to use it before you get feared

[sweet summit]

cant u will to break cc anymore?

[patent osprey]

Will of the forsaken, u have to use before you are feared. Berserker, breaks you out of it

[coral kayak]

If i did twisting corridors upper reaches and i looted reprisal, can i leave and still have the reprisal ?

even if i leave at floor 6?

[sweet summit]

ye

[coral kayak]

ok thanks

[dim glade]

Pretty sure it says you can use it while being feared

[sweet summit]

can confirm

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt know

Undead are fugly

[dim glade]

True tho

[wet osprey]

im orc

[patent osprey]

Oh did they Change it maybe @dim glade In BFA when my monk was a undead, it couldn't use it to break rezan's fear

u had to use it prior

so must be a SL change

my bad then ^.^

[strong forum]

thats been a thing since classic

pretty sure

[patent osprey]

naw in BFA it was so annoying to have to use it before the fear

u couldn't do it while feared

[sweet summit]

thats gotta be some rezan specific thing then

[dim glade]

Pretty sure it's been like this since wod

[sweet summit]

or youre trolling us 👀

[patent osprey]

I SWEAR IM NOT CRAZY

BUT Fine whatever

noone plays UD anyways

xD

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=7744/will-of-the-forsaken#changelog

anywho

ima go to bed

pce

[sweet summit]

gn

[clear briar]

Undead prot checking in

[plush tendon]

but its only 5:30

[sweet summit]

sir, its 23.30

[dim glade]

Imagine living in na

[plush tendon]

Theres only one time, and thats America time

[dim glade]

No idea what's that

It's 2230 in africa

Almost certain that even America has time zones

Not sure tho

Could be like China

[plush tendon]

naw, just 3/4 of my*country is wrong

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Est. time is the only time 😛

[patent osprey]

👍

[near tundra]

The pin states you can use Kyrian or NF for Prot. are they equal?

Mainly for M+

[plush tendon]

Kyrian has the slight edge over NF due to being Kyrian (which gives dungeon buffs not usually available through your dps or healer). But NF does big damage

In a vacuum, I prefer NF

[near tundra]

i'm NF right now, and i was just curious i know some wars went necro

[plush tendon]

But all Covs are usable and provide different things; but for personal preformance in M+ NF or Kyrian. Necro is hard to maximize due to lack of coordination in most groups and Venthyr is more for the PVPers and offspecers but does good ST damage

[near tundra]

Great i like NF the mobility is great.

[plush tendon]

I like NF too

[near tundra]

is icy veins still a good resource?

[plush tendon]

Both Icy Veins and Wowhead are good

[near tundra]

so i can see more in depth on the spec? I'm new to prot, i dont want to bother you all witha bunch of questions.

[plush tendon]

the guys who write those guides are somewhere here, but dont ping em

also, watch Plkatv on twitch or youtube; hes our boi 🙂

[near tundra]

sweet i'll def give him a follow on both platforms.

[plush tendon]

pushing as Prot since the start of the expac when everyone wrote Prot War off

[near tundra]

i mained fury, then guidl asked me to go lock for 9.1 , so i decided to switch to prot in M+ to do something different.

also wont hurt to have a back up tank for raid.

[chilly brook]

Undead actually be simming good for some reason

👀

[plush tendon]

fake news

-10% DPS for being ugly

[chilly brook]

👀 👀 👀 👀

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-news-reading-gif-9747781

purely undead propaganda

[chilly brook]

It's a purely tank focused phenomenon

Doesnt do nearly as well for dps specs

[plush tendon]

Its probably procs>stats I guess

but idk

[hollow pine]

High mountain tauren not on the list, bull rush into charge is nice though

[light sorrel]

Hi Warrior friends, what are we thinking about the new Necrolord legendary on the PTR? Seems like a 4 person banner for 25-30 seconds would be really insane for your raid! Obviously it hurts your DPS, but it might be worth going down that path?

[sweet summit]

it only extends the buff on the warrior

but buffing 3 people with 400 mastery for 15 seconds is very strong

[light sorrel]

It doesn't extend it on everyone else? It says "your banner." Am I not holding the banner?

[sweet summit]

assuming you can buff the right people

[plush tendon]

it should buff the party baseline

but thats my two cents

[sweet summit]

it does not extend the other peoples buff, no

[light sorrel]

I wouldn't mind it being "2 party members"

[plush tendon]

^

buff the party, not just 2

[sweet summit]

and as prot you can have banner rolling for 40-70 seconds depending on talents iirc

[light sorrel]

Is that worth it over going Reprisal and going Night Fae? It's more for my raid than me

[plush tendon]

its a wait and see

[sweet summit]

for overall raid damage in a perfect scenario, yeah

[coral kayak]

Does the amount of soulash required is the same if you craft a lego to rank 2 then upgrade to rank 4 or from scratch to rank 4 directly ?

[urban portal]

yeah i think buffing party at a weaker mastery would make more sense

[sweet summit]

its the same total soul ash cost

[coral kayak]

Ok thanks

[light sorrel]

Going to start farming the Soul Ash asap and just see what happens. If you can get that banner to last an extra 30 seconds, that's an insane amount of rage generation.

I'm glad we have this cool support covenant option either way. A lot of the covenants for most classes are really selfish. Very good to see a buff go out to others, similar to Kyrian Druid.

[sweet summit]

ye you "only" lose a lot of SB uptime/SW uses

thats a hot take many will disagree with, myself included

[light sorrel]

hot take of losing SB or hot take that it's good to have a support option?

[sweet summit]

hot take of support option thingy

well

[light sorrel]

Well, the option is nice. If you don't want to support, go NF or Kyrian

[sweet summit]

its fine to have the option i feel

[light sorrel]

but if you want to boost your DPS's egos, you can go Necro 🙂

[sweet summit]

but the fact that it is the strongest option is what i disagree with

if i wanted to play a support class/spec id play healer or something idk

[light sorrel]

Oh, I have no idea if it's the strongest. I just like having the option to help 🙂

I came from playing Spriest but our tank needed a tanking break. I know if someone offered me 5% spell power and 400 mastery, I'd be super happy on a Spriest haha

It depends on how much you like your raid xD

[sweet summit]

fuck em

[light sorrel]

same

[sweet summit]

nah im currently necro myself

[light sorrel]

I play Venthyr Paladin, fuck em

Just keeping up with Warrior and seeing what's going on

[sweet summit]

same old same old

crying about vdh being strong :v)

[light sorrel]

I hope that all tanks get brought to the same damage level so I get to choose what I want to play.

[sweet summit]

ye nuke ashen hollow ty

[light sorrel]

Make Blood DKs do the same damage as Paladin 🙂

I'd rather all tanks just do the same dam as Pala

[sweet summit]

miss the glory days of prot in 8.1 man :/

[light sorrel]

When did we have Gladiator stance?

WoD?

[sweet summit]

nah that was back in wod

like 6.0 or something

[light sorrel]

Sad days. I think it'd be super cool if Prot could swap to a 2 hander and have some 2 handed damage stuff while their other tank has aggro

Kind of like Druids swapping to Cat form and pumping while they're not tanking.

[sweet summit]

i remember progging jadefire masters back in BoD

[sweet summit]

you can

its just not worth it 😛

[light sorrel]

True

[plush tendon]

@sweet summit wait, why did you go Necro?

[sweet summit]

renown+something new+wanna see how plausible it is it use in practice

[plush tendon]

ah, your thoughts?