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#protection
ionic fern
should try pressing whirlwind
Unironically i did.
ionic fern
No.
modern brook
were you a bad covenent like nightfae :^)?
ionic fern
I am NF. 😦
modern brook
i was ven
so i probably cheated on bosses
where your dps probably dipped to healer levels :/
sweet summit
korayn?
strong forum
Have you tried equipping signet
weak dune
tankbrain too big for dps... or something
ionic fern
^
solemn magnet
I could only do 4. 5k last time I furied. You just ww then mash 2 buttons then ww again, rite?
sweet summit
pmuch
vapid slate
Hey, i was wondering what covenant would be better for just raw tankiness. I asked a few friends and they say kyrian but comparing the soulbinds general draven just seems better as a raw tank
solemn magnet
Tank prolly just had weenie pulls
solemn magnet
Hey, i was wondering what covenant would be better for just raw tankiness. I ask...
I'm going to say, it depends
vapid slate
in a raid setting
weak dune
I feel like it has to be necro right? extra 20% dr on 2min and 400mastery + rage gen with banner
ionic fern
Hey, i was wondering what covenant would be better for just raw tankiness. I ask...
Probably Draven jeah.
You don't generally need all that "pure tankiness" tho.
vapid slate
yeah kyrian def provides more options with vial but i like tanking and not kiting lmao
ionic fern
You don't have to kite as Kyrian either.
solemn magnet
I feel like the 3% magic DR from pelagos is better than all of Draven, but I don't raid so 🤷
ionic fern
Your covenant choice won't make or brake your tanking.
strong forum
Break 
vapid slate
Thank you guys
modern brook
brake (v): to stop
ionic fern
Me no spik engli
modern brook
Ur perfect mwahi dont listen to boomeratur
modern brook
👴
chilly brook
@ionic fern I'll teach you to fury
sweet summit
strong forum
Okay so you wanna judgment on CD
ionic fern
ionic fern
All i do is spam SOTR for that damage.
chilly brook
Make sure once you hit 12 seconds of SotR you dont press SotR again until it drops to 8 seconds or you're wasting uptime
modern brook
more like cba
strong forum
:dab:
chilly brook
Oh yea BM hasn't changed
ionic fern
Imagine thinking i'm talking about tanks in a tank discord.
strong forum
Kill command
chilly brook
No joke BrM is actually impressively good design wise compared to what it was in Legion and BFA
strong forum
I'll take a 
on that
chilly brook
I'll take a <:BestStat:832223279610724362> on that
A what?
fierce field
It would be fine if they took Celestial Brew off the GCD... only flaw
strong forum
chilly brook
It would be fine if they took Celestial Brew off the GCD... only flaw
I dont see why it's on the GCD so I'd agree
strong forum
chilly brook
<:BestStat:832223279610724362>
I dont get the reference
sick sentinel
anyone else having trouble getting healed by certain specs?
like mistweaver and resto druid
the other healers I can keep up just fine
chilly brook
Resto druid can be good
I find a lot of them kinda suck
Players not the class
MW is huge tho
sick sentinel
id rather just get a paladin who outdamages me
chilly brook
Like they shouldn't have any issue with healing you
Good resto druids are BiS though man I love a good resto in keys
sick sentinel
what makes a good resto though, keeping me alive or their healer dmg
still pagoda
chilly brook
Both
still pagoda
pugging keys this week is just horrendous so far
chilly brook
They're not mutually exclusive
But good ones shouldn't really be struggling to keep you alive
strong forum
A good healer always does dmg aswell
chilly brook
^^
sick sentinel
as long as they try their best damaging it's fine ofc
fierce field
A good healer does dmg when bad dps don't force them to waste GCDs 🙂
chilly brook
Good MWs especially
sick sentinel
they wont get close to hpala ofc
chilly brook
Since their mana efficiency hinges on them doing damage
strong forum
Hpal is just dumb tbh
Doesn't spend mana on healing
Doesn't spend mana on attacking
chilly brook
Doesn't spend mana on attacking
They do
It's just efficient
But on a fight like SLG they actually do get gassed
still pagoda
Doesn't spend mana on attacking
They do. You just need some really high damage intake by everyone to get gassed
strong forum
Nothing compared to other healers
still pagoda
which is usually the case with pugs in lower keys who eat every single aoe
chilly brook
The fight length on SLG is actually long enough to eat their mana
still pagoda
strong forum
Hpal? What you guys need mana? I'm still 80% lul
fierce field
Also hpal: I stood in bad again and need a battle rez
still pagoda
DPS deaths are on them solely
everything else is healed through with zero mana issues
still pagoda
Also hpal: I stood in bad again and need a battle rez
that is a bad hpal
normal one won't have such shit tolerated
median tulip
I sometimes play Resto Shaman. Best healer.
fierce field
yeah, i get it, more just my experiences with certain people i've played with... "but his healing numbers are great, better than our rsham (who does mechanics properly), so he's a good healer!"
chilly brook
I kinda wanna get some healing gear for my monk
modern brook
i kinda want to avoid pugging this week
really? you?
median tulip
Monk is kinda weird. Their talent choices really really alter the way the spec plays. More than any other class spec
still pagoda
really? you?
as if this didn't happen before 
modern brook
you've always been so positive about the pugging experience
just caught me off is all
signal plover
6
outer solstice
ty
signal plover
Np
grand sierra
So I have a fashion question: What do you wear more Covenant set or Natharia Transmog?
ionic fern
Neither.
shut summit
always mop cm
vocal bison
Plate Pvp gear elite skin is choice this patch 👌, ngl I was pleasantly surprised
inland raft
Ive been wearing season 2 pvp tmog sonce tmog came out, too lazy to change it up
dusk moat
I want to try NF over Venthyr, I’m worried I won’t enjoy the playstyle as much. Just yolo and do it?
dusk moat
Whoops this is Prot, I’m Fury but want to play more Prot, and Venthyr seems ass for Prot too, another reason to swap! 😂
vocal bison
Kyrian is good all-round if you like doing everything
grand sierra
would you guys go NF over Nerco?
short kiln
almost always
lime urchin
always mop cm <:BestStat:832223279610724362>
Amen
coral kayak
would you guys go NF over Nerco?
For me there are 87 specs in the games that go night fae so i went kyrian since its also good
fierce field
yeah, my group has nf, venthy, necro covered.. so i got kyrian
inland raft
I got a ww so i went nf but yes generally kyrian is the play, but if you can cover covenants then nf is bae
Big pump and 12 seconds of stops on caster groups in a non dr stun
subtle tulip
Heyo, whats the opinion on Wakeners Frond?
vocal bison
It’s super strong until you can get some phat 220/226 trinkets like iqd/phial/SLG/etc, but simmy
sorry thought this was dps - as prot meh, depends what you are doing
plush tendon
Its a on use stat trinket; not great, not bad. May not always line up with Avatar with AM (wont line up without AM either)
better off picking up a BSS, Phial, Decanter, or Alar
grand sierra
For me there are 87 specs in the games that go night fae so i went kyrian since ...
See my group is different we have tons of Kyrians
light thicket
Does anyone have hymnal trinket? Is it still as good as ppl said?
light thicket
Still only from table, wq or epic bastion calling right?
solemn magnet
Right
summer silo
I think I used a 194 version of that until I got a 226 GSpike to replace it
Damned good trinket for the effort it takes to get it
polar lily
I want to try NF over Venthyr, I’m worried I won’t enjoy the playstyle as much. ...
Its so much more fun in m+
Is there an acronym list? 😅
real orchid
Is bolster needed if playing with sesimic? or we just stick with AM?
sweet summit
generally play AM since seismic is offensively focused so you build offensively
but if you for some reason run reprisal in challenging content, you run bolster
real orchid
Yeah, I've been doing 20s keys last week with reprisal. Going from that to sesmic, not sure if I need a bit of defensive from bolster to bridge that gap a bit
real orchid
I just crafted mine, probby play around with it a bit
signal plover
Seismic is literally for beeg dps memes only in trivial content
So def AM over bolster with it.
digital arch
warrior prot be like: 4k overall
real orchid
just tried it on a 15 HoA. with them bolstered bears and necrotic. Couldn't stay in for long to even revenge spam. feelsbad. or I'm just bad
plush tendon
You dont even with those bears
Thats a pack where you unload as much damage as quickly as possible, then GTFO
real orchid
trueee. maybe I go kelia and try again
modern brook
Yeah, I've been doing 20s keys last week with reprisal. Going from that to sesmi...
If you're running seismic it's cause the content you're doing is a joke anyways
polar lily
Wanna try tanking 15s but to scared of wasting peoples time w/o the skill 😅
modern brook
If you're considering bolster over am, you shouldn't be considering siesmic
plush tendon
you got this
Everyone has the same thought in the back of their mind anyways when you start doing higher keys then you are used to doing "What if I screw up. Will people hate me?"
real orchid
If you're running seismic it's cause the content you're doing is a joke anyways
True somewhat. But doesn't mean u can't min/max a bit and play well and squeeze out that extra dps without completely falling over. It's part of the fun
But agree, probby wont take seismic to a 20 anytime soon
modern brook
taking defensive options with seismic isnt minmaxing
its the exact oposite of minmaxing
taking siesmic is minimizing your defensiveness to maximize your damageoutput
when you take bolster with it; you're undermining that decision
will it work? of course everything will work you're a tankand your decisions dont matter (until sufficiently hard content)
real orchid
I mean, in m+ tank's decision always matters. But I feel like that's taking what you say out of context, you probably don't mean it that way
flint tiger
@strong forum when you go with Kleia, do you run triple endurance conduit?
strong forum
yes
real orchid
5% crit guess makes up for taking a potency?
strong forum
absolutely
light thicket
Everyone has the same thought in the back of their mind anyways when you start d...
A buddy told me i should treat pugs in a m+ as npcs with slightly better decision making
Emphasys on slightly
plush tendon
Pretty much
vocal bison
I was going to say NPCs can’t butt pull, but I guess they kind of do so that analogy makes sense.
like escort missions
patent osprey
We did it fam 🙂 Twitch partner! Prot warrior Pride 😄
vocal bison
Grats!
hot pasture
Congrats @patent osprey you deserve it brotha. Can't wait to continue to see the channel grow!
rigid elm
We did it fam 🙂 Twitch partner! Prot warrior Pride 😄
Congratulations on partner! Do you stream fulltime? Or plan to at some point if you're not already?
patent osprey
I do not stream full time haha
I couldn't support my family with just stream unfortunately haha
But i try to stream whenever i do have time 😄
rustic relic
Anyone here going to rank up some other covs for the next tier? I doubt Venth will be played. I see alot more warriors going NF than Necro currently?
sweet summit
ya im doing all of em
rustic relic
Is it me or does Necro feel really bad?
rustic relic
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if I only have time to rank 1-2 other than Kyrian.. which 2 should it be
sweet summit
night fae honestly
then probably necro>venthyr if you need a 2nd
but if u dont like necro just do venthyr over it 🤷♂️
jagged delta
recently leveled my warrior no clue what warriors go for m+ would love some advise to know which cov to pick
as prot obv
sweet summit
kyrian or night fae mate
pearl pike
How is Prot in M+ now compared to BFA? I loved playing it then and have been thinking of leveling mine again. It was super fun but most classes have felt dull compared to then.
sweet summit
its still prot warrior, but you dont have the thunderclap spam anymore
instead we spam revenge
pearl pike
Oh. Damn. Maybe Ill level and see how it feels. Thanks!
jagged delta
why kirean and why night fae ?
sweet summit
kyrian because spear is epic and phial is also very epic
night fae because ancient aftershock is great for disrupts and their soulbinds are very very very good
kyrian is considered better defensively, since they have phial
and night fae is better for damage
sweet summit
most prot warriors play kyrian since few other spec goes kyrian, and the dungeon buffs are very good
but honestly, both are still great even in higher keys
mighty valley
venthyr is better for hotness
sweet summit
in higher keys you generally want more damage, which is where night fae would come in handy. but then again youre back to point 1
twilit jay
is there a large difference between oil and stones?
mighty valley
absolutely tiny afaik
sweet summit
on ST oil is a lot better paired with phantom fire potion
but overall in a dungeon the difference isnt huge
mighty valley
it's reasonable to do oil for tyrannical, stone for fortified. or you could make your life easier with only one stack each of buff item and potion
sweet summit
its reasonable to assume that it wont matter and people more often than not over value ST damage on tyrannical weeks
when the vast majority of the dungeon is still overall trash heavy
mighty valley
but making a choice gives you the placebo effect of thinking you're a smart player
which makes your numbers go up
sweet summit
twilit jay
I am mainly just trying to optomize myself a bit better for my guilds heroic sire progression. I know its not much but w/e i can do to help the dps out
sweet summit
oh in that case you can sim yourself, one with stone and one with oil and see the difference
sweet summit
but tldr oil+phantom fire is better
twilit jay
oh yeah i forgot simming was a thing :x
subtle island
Any tips for sludge guys?
strong forum
Charge on every roar and stomp
Intervene on every chainslam
Intervene your cotank if he needs it, pair it with SW
Have fun
strong forum
Insanely large
sweet summit
chains are 12 or 14 yards
subtle island
Ye felt massive tbh
sweet summit
min charge range is 8?
strong forum
12 yards
subtle island
Nice
strong forum
Min charge is 8
sweet summit
yea
subtle island
Lol I’ve not got reprisal yet - just dipped out of weekly Torg before the patch
sweet summit
strong forum
It's fine with wall aswell, just harder
sweet summit
subtle island
Was helpful for xymox tbf
strong forum
sweet summit
subtle island
Lmao
signal plover
still pagoda
lyric summit
still pagoda
Even my lazy paladin ass can smell that everything is wrong with decision-making process behind your leggo crafting choice
amber herald
people don't know about the secret leaper/whirlwind build
subtle island
It’s my 3rd 235 - didn’t realise how big reprisal would be
subtle island
Go hard or go home
sweet summit
😬
still pagoda
subtle island
I started saving for it pre-reprisal announcement and just didn’t change course
lyric summit
It's a good legendary to quickly leap away from the people staring you down for making it
sweet summit
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
yes?
subtle island
Tryna think of more stupid shit I’ve done/do
sweet summit
being venthyr isn't stupid
subtle island
I love it but no one seems to agree
still pagoda
Covenants don't impact tank performance as much as your own personal skill
vagrant vine
Necro for the flair imho
subtle island
I dunno I think they have pretty significant impacts
vagrant vine
Least painful sanctum too
still pagoda
It's a good legendary to quickly leap away from the people staring you down for ...
Excuse me... The best thing for this is hearthstone cast time enchant on bracers when you're a paladin.
sweet summit
sinfall is bae tbh
still pagoda
Sinfall is the best imho
subtle island
Just a shame there’s never any other prot warrs there
still pagoda
Wdym
subtle island
Miss legion days of all being together
still pagoda
Most of us are either playing or played pwarri for years
subtle island
I mean in Sinfall
vagrant vine
I see more warriors in seat of the primus than I expected seeing as how off meta it is
Much less busy in general than heart of the forest though
sweet summit
👀
sweet summit
:/
chilly brook
not bad for it being a double carry tho
lyric summit
Excuse me... The best thing for this is hearthstone cast time enchant on bracers...
But that comes with the downside of being a paladin, so you already lose some benchpress IRL for that
sweet summit
i benched 100kg once 💪
lyric summit
I expected nothing less from you 👀
sweet summit
round cliff
does wanting to play prot warrior and being a venthyr not work together
tacit smelt
You can be whatever u want
patent osprey
does wanting to play prot warrior and being a venthyr not work together
works :)
trust
timber lagoon
astral crystal
finally killed sire, i can quit WoW in peace now
hot oxide
Use nadija well fed
That stacks? Hmmmmmm
sick sentinel
I’m not sure actually Lol
static vortex
Has anyone tried Heavy Repercussions + Reprisal? Saw andybrew on his war using it on io and gave it a try and had ~96 on sb
surreal plinth
Once you're at a higher ilevel.. (220ish) what stats do we start to prioritize? Haste Vers still the go to?
lavish oracle
I'm sure HR + reprisal is probably fine, you can get a long enough window of SB to make pretty good use of it potentially, I just don't think the extra SB uptime is that useful when you're running reprisal
like the reason I don't take bolster once I picked up reprisal is because a lot of the extra SB uptime bolster offers becomes irrelevant when you have very high uptime already
but I might be missing something
@surreal plinth Yeah, haste/vers still, some people favor vers, some favor haste
static vortex
I'm sure HR + reprisal is probably fine, you can get a long enough window of SB ...
I havn't tested it a lot but I found it cleared up the gaps I'd have where you coulnd't get a charge off in a key/boss.
molten sigil
hey everyone, got a quick question in regards to M Sire. Carnage from Remornia is kicking my ass, any thoughts on dealing with this?
getting to 6-7 stacks and the ticks are insane
frosty ridge
hey everyone, got a quick question in regards to M Sire. Carnage from Remornia i...
warlock debuff remornia curse of weakness = less stacks. also swap remornia when you swap sire, never should be more than 3-5 stacks in general. if kyrian can remove bleed with phial.
frosty ridge
not my idea, but sure I'll take the credit :)
molten sigil
haha we'll go with it :p
frosty ridge
same curse goes for sire. esp p3, less stacks of scorn, less melees
molten sigil
ok cool, ill bring that up as well
warm remnant
It amazes me how often warlocks I play with have to be reminded they can curse
wanton condor
really? They seem to remember every time they get targeted with mechanics during a burst phase from what I can tell ;D
signal plover
when M SLG first kill gives ya shield 
astral crystal
Same thing happened to me kek
fallow beacon
we back baby
patent zealot
urban portal
optimally you do it the moment you quit lol
and just turn in when its time to
ye those words are clean
brittle owl
bit meh honestly
brazen grotto
Anybody here solo the last 2 bosses of PF?
brazen grotto
Ilvl?
mighty valley
it was very easy but i'm 224
brazen grotto
Got it, i'm only 215 and having issues with domina
probably all me though cuz i haven't played prot in months
sick sentinel
Sorry didn't respond.
Yeah I was 215 when i got it too
Domina was super easy, I was drowning in victory rush uses with the adds coming in all the time.
What is a use of victory rush called?
Like the moment you get to use it.
A proc?
brazen grotto
not too sure, i got the impending victory talent too
sick sentinel
Better to get 10% hp and heal on rage talent
And use regular victory rush
And bounding leap
Try to stagger spiders hp apart so you can have more victory rushes
Into the fray is good too because you get haste from enemies
sick sentinel
What is a use of victory rush called?
victorious
jagged pier
when M SLG first kill gives ya shield <:yep:703420923625078804>
we got 4 off hands none went to me 
strong forum
jagged pier
the shaman and druid that both use 2handers cause they dont have an off hand get them
so now they need to get a main hand
if only there was a system where loot got allocated to ppl that needed it/ could use it
blazing condor
Group loot
blazing condor
fuck it - we doing CE with round robin
blazing condor
not for the push keys
seismic is great for easier content
like doing weekly vaults nshit
good pump
grizzled skiff
Ahh Alright. Makes sense.
blazing condor
also that
versed prism
Morning all! Struggling to make up my mind between staying necro or going UwU... necro is nice for the party buff but on M+ weeks like these UwU seems 1000% better with constant knock downs and blink.
plush saffron
necro is the cuck covenant
strong forum
Necro is only good if you can perfectly play around it and buff your teammates properly
Otherwise it's a big dps loss
You're much safer off playing kyrian/NF and get full value out of that
versed prism
We are well coordinated within raid and M+... I think my boomie will be pissed with the choice then 🤣
still pagoda
Morning all! Struggling to make up my mind between staying necro or going UwU......
you can also go kyrian, but blue skyhold is ass compared to the original
versed prism
Meh, never been one for Kyrian tbh, the bleed removal is huge but kiting isn't difficult + playing with holy pala 90% of the time keeps things fairly easy on necro weeks and in halls for example
inland raft
Nf is bae
still pagoda
back on launch i picked it primarily for the spear and to avoid playing with furries
bleed pot is surely a good addition, but not the main thing you pick a covenant for(same goes for every other secondary skill)
versed prism
Up the furries!!!! Tbh 4am whilst leveling I had to mute game sound for ardenweld. Kek
orchid frigate
been putting it off for a while but considering to get it overwith, just want to make sure before I go through the hassle; NF would be a lot better with multi spec with fury (raids and m+)?
orchid frigate
goodie
strong forum
Kyrian is good in m+ aswell, but NF just shreds
orchid frigate
just too bad that there will be one less kyrian around
but no harm in trying it out for a bit I guess except some time wasted
NF has so boring campaign 😦
blazing condor
but you get to do the play
deft sapphire
autumn pendant
If you wanna multispec fury and prot, NF is defo the way to go
autumn pendant
any good guide on fastest way to get renown?
m+/m0/raids
and you still will need to do campaign
honest plinth
Im doorf and im proud of it
strong forum
I was doorf and I wanna be proud again
honest plinth
But my healer is in love with worgens...
ionic fern
amber herald
gotta go fast
honest plinth
Huge bestial arms
brittle owl
fae rhymes with gay
shrewd elm
We still rated the lowest :( will we ever shine again?
honest plinth
Tank balance in nice rn
signal plover
That B+ rating was buuuuull
plush tendon
That B+ rating was well deserved and we obviously need buffs
signal plover
My asian parents were super disappointed
signal plover
OoNLyCuZrAiDBuFfs
signal plover
Much be bad
jagged pier
oh yer put lowest in a tier list from a player that doesnt play prot
yer must be bad
signal plover
I just want em to do something straight fuckin silly like give us fury WW
plush tendon
another 15% more revenge damage should do the trick
signal plover
Or their execute as we've said for nearly a year now
blazing condor
wasnt Spell Reflect being busted a big reason to why we were in WF as well?
plush tendon
and increase the amount of spells reflect can reflect
honest plinth
jagged pier
Or their execute as we've said for nearly a year now
weve also said the WW thing since alpha
signal plover
Yeah but the ww thing is silly let's be honest
jagged pier
i dunno cleaving SS seems fine to me
signal plover
The execute thing makes too much sense
jagged pier
🤷
signal plover
Yeah it'd be fine but revenge already does it in a less clunky way
Granted not as much dmg but they'd occupy the same kinda niche
Errr
Use case
jagged pier
i dunno have a free aoe spell to weave in is kinda nice tbh
plush tendon
I should be able to SS something so hard that it does its damage in a cone
honest plinth
Are you from sparta or something
signal plover
i dunno have a free aoe spell to weave in is kinda nice tbh
O shit ur right fury WW doesn't cost rage
Fuck me
jagged pier
yah and allows them to cleave next 2 spells
signal plover
Yes that part I knew lol
jagged pier
it pog
signal plover
Fucker :)
I gotta meme around on fury more b
Usually just hop on the arms arena roller coaster.
analog swift
does llarold even play prot warrior like at all?
analog swift
will do
candid path
👍
sick sentinel
Should I replace my Beating Abomination Core (174= 48 str, defensive proc) with Master Duelist's Chit (187 = 54 str, offensive proc) for m+?
probably just go for the ilvl and take the proc change for granted
Now I think of it, not dying but a bit more threat is welcome
amber herald
ilvl
sick sentinel
tnx
signal plover
I'd say 100% reprisal
devout pike
You charge often on slg?
signal plover
Are u tanking adds or kaal in P1?
devout pike
Lul
plush tendon
one of you is going to have 0 fun
plush tendon
on a fight where fun is already at a all time low
devout pike
Rip
signal plover
You can prolly get away with reprisal on kaal but you have to be real careful about movement in P1.
signal plover
If I was doing that job I'd prolly run wall tho
signal plover
On the other hand, the add tank is RLY fun with reprisal.
devout pike
Ill have to talk to my co tank then
jagged pier
We are both prot warrioirs
YIKES
jagged pier
well yer but double prot warrior with magic fights is a yikes
like we just had the dh take the bleed till greg came down
and i took no damage on the adds
signal plover
It will be fine. Kaal tank will just need a bit of love during INT1
plush tendon
Im playing Blood on SLG right now; the scariest part of tanking Kaal in Int 1 is when you have 3 bleed stacks and your group decides its a good idea to push the Gloliath before Crystallize
signal plover
We are both kyrian so phial will help for int 1
Phial doesn't clear bleed on mythic
signal plover
Yeh, only crystallize works
signal plover
Im playing Blood on SLG right now; the scariest part of tanking Kaal in Int 1 is...
Tbf killing goliath before crystalize is kinda the goal tho
plush tendon
Tbf killing goliath before crystalize is kinda the goal tho
Our damage profile doesnt fit that strategy
haughty sleet
That’s rough
plush tendon
and thats a nice way of saying, our DPS may or may not be a little on the low side
XD
signal plover
If u can beat the wicked blade cast before 3rd skirms u should have enough dps for goliath prior to crystallize
But if shits working
It doesn't rly matter
plush tendon
Maybe we can; at this point I just want consistent pulls
and slow DPS sort of accomplishes that
Otherwise, im just in the corner holding Kaal so you know im having the best time -_-
haughty sleet
How far off are you from killing goliaths before crystallize?
plush tendon
Sometimes it would die before, sometimes during, sometimes after
Ive always just asked for a external should I be at 3 bleeds and 80% heal reduction
and its been fine
haughty sleet
Maybe I missed it, why are you on kaal
plush tendon
Me blood DK, me no get stunned from Crystalize, me get free reset
haughty sleet
Oh blood dk
haughty sleet
Blood seems fun
plush tendon
cause as my RL puts it "You take so much unnecessary damage but live through raw retard strength"
haughty sleet
I liked my blood dk back in legion
plush tendon
Blood is fun
lacks damage like my war
and feels sad in dungeons
but in raid, its chill
We also only have 1 unholy DK so the extra AMZ is helpful
coral kayak
When do we use revenge ? I find myself not having enough rage do dump on revenge
Dumping all my rage on SB and IP
plush tendon
You probably are pressing Ignore pain too much
Do you find yourself rage starved a lot also?
manic schooner
For M+ with primarily LFG pugs what’s the better choice, Blood or Prot Warr? Have both at 60 and looking towards 9.1
coral kayak
Do you find yourself rage starved a lot also?
Yes, im using ravager
sweet summit
are you level 60 now?
coral kayak
are you level 60 now?
Yes
sweet summit
For M+ with primarily LFG pugs what’s the better choice, Blood or Prot Warr? Hav...
blood imo
then its most likely a case of using IP too much like mentioned before
if you have shield block up youre more often than not fine in the defensive department
coral kayak
I dont use it too much, i keep a 1 stack up
inland raft
Ip is just to paper over gaps or to smooth out magic damage
sweet summit
1 "stack" of IP?
inland raft
Most of the time dont spend the rage on it
coral kayak
1 use i mean of IP
plush tendon
I think it depends; Blood is better in 'trivial' content where you can literally solo the dungeon
but if the healer is unaware of how blood works, they will heal you when you dont need heals and waste everything then when you actually need help they wont have anything
Healers also like smooth damage intake, which blood certainly is not
inland raft
Ya blood can give a ton of pug heals real issues
And also make you aggravated when your death strike does nothing because healer panic heals you same time you press it
sweet summit
trying to maintain ignore pain is redundant @coral kayak you use it before taking heavy damage/unblockable damage etc, but while tanking regular mobs/bosses you dont need to maintain it
plush tendon
or you death strike and your healer panic presses Lay on Hands for a phat 4k heal
I also cant stress how much more damage potential war has over blood
inland raft
Yes the great loh and deathsteike combo followed by a kick getting off and now no rp and no lay and 1hp
A pug life
plush tendon
But if contents trivial, blood dk will literally never die
plush tendon
and trivial in the sense of player skill + gear
manic schooner
Hmm, good advice all around. Maybe I'll pick whichever looks better for DPS between UH or Fury in 9.1 as the tiebreaker
plush tendon
Why not play both 🙂
manic schooner
Diminishing playtime wont allow for that, sadly
plush tendon
UH will probably be better then Fury in raid, and they should be close in M+ but too early to tell obviously
sweet summit
buff warrior
still pagoda
plush tendon
'shhhhh' pushing a narrative so Blizz overbuffs us by accident
sweet summit
oh yeah sure prot too
gaunt dawn
B+ xd
B for Block
B for...bad dps
b for...bfaslkfbas why the fuck doesnt spell reflect work on anything anymore
lime urchin
It works on a lot actually
toxic gyro
It doesn’t work on a lot of spells it should technically work on
sand condor
amber herald
for higher shield block uptime
signal plover
Prolly best to let andy worry bout andy
amber herald
I watched his stream and it's because he thinks in the highest keys it's better to have more time where he's hitting the mobs
and able to stand still and keep them in flamepatches
lofty widget
does anyone have a log running that build? what sort of effective uptime is it getting compared to AM/ravager
amber herald
he's also using the ignore pain conduit
inland raft
Let andy worry about andy as paw said
amber herald
it's still interesting
lofty widget
sounds suboptimal
inland raft
Its viable always has been its not optimal though
And hr does gain value over time as reach higher haste values its a solid defensive talent
amber herald
he's doing 26s there isn't that much room for less than optimal though
from what he said on his stream it's a build for the highest keys like 23<
probably want to ask plka about it if anyone
distant crystal
there's no such thing as optimal everywhere, the things you're worried about in very high keys are different from what us plebs worry about
esp us lvl 50 plebs who only get played once a week to kill yogg 😄
chilly brook
I don't think it would be optimal even for high keys
HR runs into the exact same problems you run into in low keys with it
If hes truly worried about being able to face tank more with higher uptime bolster would be the play
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe HR makes more sense with reprisal
lofty widget
whats the problem with HR in low keys?
chilly brook
Its completely rng
lofty widget
ah ye, relying on procs is never good i assume
chilly brook
Something you usually don't want to rely on to extend mitigation
inland raft
Its less damage and less snap threat, it ms solid and it gains value as expansion goes on with higher and higher haste but the normal build is just more consistent
floral pewter
also, it means having a 4-minute shield wall cooldown, so ew
patent osprey
Yeah andy likes his HR build, but I don't think its better personally
I think it doubles down on physical hit defense which is already our strong point
where as AM increases dam with avatar + gives you more SW uptime which helps with our weakness against magic/bleed
but hes making it work ^.^
he also likes ITF cause he doesn't want to use the GCD while in melee, but you can throw ravager from range. Its just his preference
chilly brook
he also likes ITF cause he doesn't want to use the GCD while in melee, but you c...
Leave it to a monk to not want to use a GCD
wanton condor
He has a rogue so the snap threat isn't the biggest worry too
plush tendon
I have never had threat issues on my war
even when I dont have ravager; and anytime I screw up Challenging shout does exist
I feel like a Charge Avatar AA/Revenge is enough to keep threat on anything
wanton condor
I generally don't either but I also don't play with great fmages
plush tendon
^ this is true
hollow bolt
eh i feel like aggro on pull is sketch as fuck for me without ravager
specially since we have 2 firemages clapping cheeks at a pace even god cant keep up with
fierce field
what's a fire mage?! /sigh
buoyant walrus
Too true about the threat with fire mages. Every time they go brrrrt with combustion on pull I just watch the threat meter rising dangerously high
haughty sleet
Anyone that has tanked m sire, did you ever have an issue with hitting gloomveil with wracking?
chilly brook
eh i feel like aggro on pull is sketch as fuck for me without ravager
Just be Nightfae
buoyant walrus
Quick question to the more experienced tanks here. Anger Management is suggested as the go to for M+, however how viable is Bolster? I am talking for pug groups where you roll a dice on what sort of a healer you get
chilly brook
Viable but if you're running reprisal not needed at all
plush tendon
Bolster if using the Wall, otherwise with Reprisal you have enough SB uptime already so run AM for CD on Avatar and SW
buoyant walrus
Oh right, totally did not think of that. Someone explain how did I pugged my way to KSM again with this crap memory
chilly brook
Well tbh KSM isn't too terribly difficult
buoyant walrus
True if you have a full pre made I guess. Got mine through pugs, and it was an exercise in patience. It does however force one to learn their class really well. Now to find the energy to go higher
floral pewter
paradoxically, pugging actually gets smoother as you go higher
because you're grouping with better people
plush tendon
I wouldnt push anything higher then like a 16 though unless you have a squad
its just aint as fun
buoyant walrus
^^ Agree with the above. Sadly most of the guild mates that run M+ are suffering from a serious case of wow fatigue haha
sick sentinel
I wouldnt push anything higher then like a 16 though unless you have a squad
I pushed to like +18 all keys on my main (dps) in pugs without too much effort earlier in the season, but kind of cba after that and started trying out various alts instead 🙂
buoyant walrus
Here's hoping! In the meantime I am playing the dark horse of the expansion, a survival hunter!
plush tendon
it has to have potential to be a dark horse XD
sick sentinel
That horse is dark as a black hole.
buoyant walrus
You dont talk down on the amazing survival hunter! Imagine the parses (since nobody plays the spec xD )
still pagoda
I wouldnt push anything higher then like a 16 though unless you have a squad
keys below are not fun with pugs either
plush tendon
keys below are not fun with pugs either
You just want to stay in that 14-16 range XD
plush tendon
but.... your box
still pagoda
i've just got out of pugging another few keys on my pala
including the typically easy(if nothing goes wrong) +14
seeing people die to tentacles on the last boss
plush tendon
LOL
still pagoda
yes, welcome to pugging any keys
it's trash
sometimes necessary trash if you're up to getting out of that trash later on
sturdy sable
Or people messing up the last boss in dos
blazing condor
if you run reprisal in raids is BSC still better dps on ST over BV? cba to sim : p
sturdy sable
Cba to answer : p
blazing condor
sturdy sable
strong forum
BV/DR better in pure ST
still pagoda
strong forum
BSC better in multitarget
strong forum
still pagoda
sweet summit
i dont think thats uncommon
sweet summit
strong forum
na for me its still ITF for ST
but i also sim very little
cuz i dont have pumper trinkets
still pagoda
O
strong forum
and ive killed HC slg twice in january
still pagoda
I've just got out of +14PF
strong forum
that must be enough
still pagoda
brick
chilly brook
Do 25 PFs until you get phial
strong forum
thats actually very easy
the hitboxes are fucking retarded of those tentacles
and the cones
like if youre not dead center of the safe zone, theres a 30%-50% chance that you get clapped
fierce field
yeah, just like objects in your rearview mirror, them tentacles are closer than they appear.
signal plover
Yeah we lose at least one semi capable button masher to PF last boss tentacles every run.
Despite constant calls
hoary thicket
Is it viable to run Thunderlord legendary in M+ as my usual legendary?
since Im a big fan of doing huge pulls and making use of demo and avatar
strong forum
TL gets outclassed by 3 other legendaries
so, viable, i guess for low keys? but not great
hoary thicket
Well TBF Im only doing low keys, since I only hit 60 yesterday
strong forum
im personally against it, for surv Reprisal and Wall are better
for damage Reprisal and Seismic are better
so its just a lose-lose to play TL
hoary thicket
Im not gonna be able to get Repirsal for another week or two depending on torghast rotation
hoary thicket
Havent got it unlocked
plush tendon
ooo unlucky
strong forum
then i'd just not run a legendary
plush tendon
Just run the Wall
fierce field
either way, better off building the wall and/or seismic if you feel the need to run a leggo until you can get reprisal
fierce field
you'll get value out of the wall at some point in your pwar career
solid cairn
when you play the wall in raid , do you use bolster or AM ?
sweet summit
usually am
worn crest
What are prot warrior thoughts on the new conduits so far on the PTR?
sweet summit
some of them are cool
worn crest
I tank 18s through 20's on prot warrior and I'm trying to decide if I want to stay NF or swap
sweet summit
so it's hard for me to answer that right now
worn crest
I'm not looking for any ironclad answers, just trying to get some perspectives on current implementations
signal plover
Just gotta send it
sweet summit
ngl not gonna lie
i don't know how things are atm for PTR
chilly brook
Im not gonna be able to get Repirsal for another week or two depending on torgha...
Not worth creating a lesser legendary just to have a lego
Twisting corridors is pretty easy to unlock
real orchid
@hoary thicket you can actually queue into twisting corridors till you get the right wing. Get to Floor #6 and the pattern should drop. This is how I got my pattern when it wasn’t in the torghast rotation
chilly brook
5k overall in a boost key during this shit week
Go NF and be a 6k andy
strong forum
then i couldnt clear necrotic as easily :^)
sweet summit
but u kill everything before necrotic is an issue :v)
worn crest
Necrotic stacks are still easy to clear as NF
strong forum
not if the target count is higher than 5 :^)
worn crest
shapeshift is an easy escape
worn crest
so is spear vs aftershock
fierce field
What are prot warrior thoughts on the new conduits so far on the PTR?
Didn't even see there were new conduits
fierce field
oh, the soulbind specific ones? not new generic ones?
worn crest
Aye, just the new soulbind specific ones
fierce field
ok, less confusd now 🙂 thanks for clarifying
worn crest
just over 700k dmg from AA in my mists run last week. Not a big difference, but the knockdown came in handy.
strong forum
also fort and spiteful
so more pad
but yeah, its more the thing alongside NF that make it so fucking busted
real orchid
NF sounds like fun. But most team don’t have kyrians. And that’s huge for m+
worn crest
that's a fair point. I run with a WW monk for our kyrian
strong forum
NF is just more damage, and for the niche case of knocking down caster packs
real orchid
All my tanks are kyrian I’m so used to having phials can’t imagine life without 😆
Spears is nice too this week when you get like 40 stacks and you want to bail for a bit to reset stacks
worn crest
I thought it would be niche, but it hasn't been. It's made a notable difference in most. I am on the fence about swapping back to Kyrian or to Necro, just waiting to see what happens on ptr.
sweet summit
chilly brook
NF is just more damage, and for the niche case of knocking down caster packs
Honestly first strike and wild hunt tactics are what make it insane
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
22k crit opener on 5 targets
real orchid
They just need to buff kyrians for some dps specs so it’ll be fun for them to swap away from NF
So we can play Nf lol
chilly brook
Ancient Aftershock is on average 70k for one button press for me on SLG
That's not counting the ground effect
stable kestrel
So bis overall would be Kyrian?
real orchid
Tank doing 1k extra dps is not nearly as good as having cov dungeons abilities avail for the entire group
stable kestrel
I play aggressively
fierce field
just don't ever run spires / nw and problems about not having a kyrian are solved 🙂
real orchid
You can carry pretty hard as a kyrian tank in both SoA and NW
floral pewter
I like to get all three goliaths in NW, and being able to activate them myself to make sure the timing is right is nice
stable kestrel
I’m currently kyrian but also doing the quest to switch back to nf. Got a week or so before I have to decide.
chilly brook
It depends entirely on you
- does your dungeon group need a Kyrian
- do you actually care about phial
real orchid
lol just try to do NW and SoA without using cov. Then see if you want to swap to NF 😅
chilly brook
lol just try to do NW and SoA without using cov. Then see if you want to swap to...
Been there done that not that bad
fierce field
did that a bunch with my necromonk... didn't really notice not having them
sweet summit
then you're not doing high enough keys for it to matter so you do you
stable kestrel
Which soulbinds do y’all prefer for Kyrian?
sweet summit
pelagos
real orchid
I suppose depending on keys level. If your group dps is good then you won’t notice the difference. Kinda like trying to do plaguborer strat in PF on. +10. Not worth the time to set up when your dps can blow up the pack faster
floral pewter
Anima Exhaust doesn't add nearly as much DPS as plagueborers though
plush tendon
Kyrian is so vanilla
chilly brook
then you're not doing high enough keys for it to matter so you do you
Tbf it's far less noticeable in NW, in SoA its definitely noticeable
floral pewter
and doesn't scale with key level afaik
strong forum
anima exhaust scales with key level
floral pewter
ah, ok
real orchid
Anima Exhaust doesn't add nearly as much DPS as plagueborers though
It’s not just the dps, it’s the extra healing that let you save big CD on prides, large aoe packs etc a
strong forum
on a 15, anima exhaust already adds 400 dps to just me as the tank
so if everybody utilises it its free 2k dps
on a 15, the higher you go, the more dmg it does
and the more healing obv
chilly brook
on a 15, anima exhaust already adds 400 dps to just me as the tank
I used it yesterday and it was only like 80k damage
strong forum
pull bigger idk
worn crest
Anima Exhaust did 1.05mil dmg in my 19 last night
floral pewter
I mean, 2k DPS for 60 seconds is 120k damage, ie the boss lives about 6 seconds longer
real orchid
plagueborers have nothing to do with covenants
I was alluding to the fact that if the key is low enough, regular dps will just destroy everything and you won’t need to use any dungeons gimmicks including things like cov utilities
strong forum
well yuh
floral pewter
but if it scales with key level, it makes sense that it's more significant in high keys
plush tendon
Anima Exhaust is quite strong for what it does
is it necessary, no, is it strong, yes
real orchid
Cov mattters, it matters more and lore as you progress through 15+
plush tendon
Cov matters much later then 15+
chilly brook
pull bigger idk
I will have you know I pulled quite a decent amount.
worn crest
The closer you get to 20s and up, the more those covenant dungeon buffs matter
real orchid
You can’t convince me that not having anima exhaust is worth in 20+ key. Not over just a extra 1k extra dps of going NF
worn crest
for sure. I have a kyrian in group with monk, so I don't have to be kyrian
mighty valley
i think it gets a bad rap because it's a little harder to time the long windup so it doesn't feel like a waste
worn crest
People mess us Anima Exhuast by staying at range. If your casters are standing out, they are wasting it.
mighty valley
like people probably have bad memories of the rando DPS going "oh right, forgot to start this thing" and then you all stand around the sad robot
worn crest
Everyone has to stack in the mobs to do its effect.
real orchid
plka says it best I think. NF is ❤️ but Kyrian is a necessity (@higher keys, and if your group don’t already have one)
chilly brook
You can’t convince me that not having anima exhaust is worth in 20+ key. Not ove...
Just bring a monk 4head
chilly brook
plka says it best I think. NF is ❤️ but Kyrian is a necessity (@higher keys, and...
It's only a necessity if you dont have one in the group
plush tendon
Its unfortunate that there are more specs that want to be NF then all the other Covs combined
chilly brook
NF is more than viable at high keys
real orchid
It's only a necessity if you dont have one in the group
That’s what I literally just said! You’re just repeating
chilly brook
Sorry the way you structured the statement sounded as if it wasn't dependent on the group not having one
mighty valley
To me, my opinion, new thought, it's only necessary if they're the first one in the group
sick sentinel
Finding other kyrian is unfortunately quite rare especially in pugs.
chilly brook
Finding other kyrian is unfortunately quite rare especially in pugs.
Monk brother
real orchid
Yah, blizz gotta balance more on dps going other cov especially kyrian dps
chilly brook
They big pumpers
real orchid
Only monk plays kyrian right?
plush tendon
Monks and Rets
sick sentinel
Monk brother
Yeah well, how often do you see decent WW's sign up? 😄
plush tendon
and some Hpals that dont want to be oppressed into Ashen
also some hunters are going Kyrian
chilly brook
Idk we have a really good WW in our guild so maybe I'm just lucky
I've seen a few druids resto specifically be Kyrian
real orchid
Lol my brother plays a venthir paly and forced to go ret when we have other friends on who can only play healers. He say it’s ass to play
plush tendon
Idk we have a really good WW in our guild so maybe I'm just lucky
Yea basically; I dont have to be Kyrian since our Hpal is Kyrian and we have two WW
chilly brook
Lol my brother plays a venthir paly and forced to go ret when we have other frie...
Ashen is amazing
real orchid
For ret?
chilly brook
In general
plush tendon
Naw Divine Toll for ret
chilly brook
Its worse throughput for ret than Kyrian