Whirlwind.
#protection
hollow bolt
BLEGH
blazing condor
Rend
hollow bolt
why do we have it as prot
blazing condor
but thats arms ig
hollow bolt
oh ull be proud 2 know i tried the arms lego on prot in a low key
bruh its bussen
ive never depleted a 6 that fast
the ww one
sweet summit
Seismic?
hollow bolt
yeaaah!
blazing condor
hollow bolt
WW GO WOOSH
ionic fern
Seismic is great.
sweet summit
It works with revenge tho
ionic fern
Works on Revenge.
hollow bolt
WAIT IT DOES?
ionic fern
Yes.
blazing condor
lmfao
sweet summit
blazing condor
the mega int
lofty widget
F
hollow bolt
AAAAAAAAAAAAH
jagged pier
you need to read the tool tip
hollow bolt
I NEVER NEW
jagged pier
hollow bolt
HOLY SHIT
blazing condor
its literally like bis for MoTS
lofty widget
absolute bonkers damage
hollow bolt
How the fuck did i kill nzoth on mythic last tier
marble cipher
Corruption
hollow bolt
NO WONDER MY REVENGE DOSENT DO NO DAMAGE IVE BEEN HARD STUCK 3.8k ON KEYS
thank u warrior discord
i learn something everyday
sweet summit
strong forum
🙏 ✝️
jagged pier
How the fuck did i kill nzoth on mythic last tier
because corruption carried a lot of ppl
sweet summit
Same
jagged pier
same
hollow bolt
now were hard stuck stone legion and i wanna go back 2 the dance boss
marble cipher
Yup, me too
strong forum
Take me back to sludge.
hollow bolt
yo is it bad that hungering destroyer tooknour guild a month and a half
marble cipher
We're stuck on Sludge, 0% wipe yesterday 🤣
hollow bolt
OOF
strong forum
It's easy to be stuck on hungering tbh
hollow bolt
yeah our guilds a bunch of fooking fury words
strong forum
How many pulls
jagged pier
~240
strong forum
Mh
jagged pier
but
strong forum
We're at 75ish now
jagged pier
we could have killed it at around ~150
as that when we hit phase 3 for the first time
then it took us 2 weeks to get back there
strong forum
Almost getting into p2 cleanly but people fucking always lose all focus as soon as kaal turns immune and just start memeing
Actually so dumb
hollow bolt
but my aoe parse
jagged pier
☝️
like generally last night was the first night we consistantly got to phase 3 and we killed it
hollow bolt
Pog
hollow bolt
so far all weve done is manage 2 kill ourselfs
ikz great
its ok the officers reading logs will figure it out
thank god im not one of them
jagged pier
the worst part is the euprtions they were killing us cause ppl were puting them in the wrong place
hollow bolt
expansions 5 months old and i just learned how the seismic cookie works
ionic fern
Have to beat me in a duel.
ionic fern
I don't accept duels tho so have fun.
hollow bolt
Or we talking hopscotch>
ionic fern
IN game duel.
ionic fern
Jep.
I change my char name like 5 times per month and ask raider.io to delete all history tracks of name changes.
hollow bolt
wait why?
ionic fern
So people can't ask me to duels.
strong forum
Ninjas...
hollow bolt
oooh
ionic fern
So they can't make SF.
hollow bolt
i see i see
halcyon shard
Gotta climb mountains
ionic fern
Oh, i'm also a rogue and when someone does duel me i just sit in stealth 24/7.
halcyon shard
Reroll Demon hunter just to duel you
hollow bolt
wait then how are u in the warrior discord
hollow bolt
Jokes on you im telling President Lincon He will get u expelled!
thats a top hat you can trust
strong forum
Lincoln is just Mwahis cat
hollow bolt
F
sand condor
lmao
blazing condor
Tfw joined progress at council and now wont get to reclear the rest of the raid 
only 4/10m now but almost at slg
strong forum
One of our officers missed council kill cuz he was too drunk so he had to be replaced by our 5th healer
And we killed it 1 pull later
hollow bolt
OOF
strong forum
blazing condor
boogie down
damn i just now realized that Mwahi doesnt actually have a cool mohawk and its his background lol
couldnt tell from the small image on disc
lied to
strong forum
Idk how ya'all thought this
blazing condor
i wanted to believe
hollow bolt
dammit now i see it 2
oblique garnet
@ionic fern
coral kayak
Can anyone help me pls, i want a Weakaura that pop up when i dont have shield block up but i have a charge and have 30 rage
searched wago and didnt find
strong forum
Would be more effective to have the direct opposite of that weakaura.
Just an SB buff tracker, and whenever it's not up you yourself know "OK I have to put up SB again"
coral kayak
Yeah i have that, but still sometimes i forget to press it, coming from a gurdian druid and warr have a lot of buttons to press
strong forum
I'd just recommend practice
Reverse buff tracking seems finicky
Cuz like, you'd have to make multiple triggers
Basically a regular SB button tracker as trigger 1, then add the condition to only put alpha to 100% when >=30 rage and trigger active 2 true
Then add another trigger that tracks SB buff itself, set trigger 2 active false
I think that should work
Smth along those lines
brittle owl
checking for 1 charge of SB and 30 rage is also an incomplete statement
since if you are offtanking/kiting, casting SB there would be a missplay
or even if you are actively tanking, if the mob just auto'd you and it has, say, a 2.5 s swing timer, it is also a misplay
coral kayak
got it thanks
round vortex
Yeah i have that, but still sometimes i forget to press it, coming from a gurdia...
Treat it like Iron Fur. And another good thing that some don’t know is that you don’t have to wait for it to drop off to refresh. It adds the time on 🙂
sand steppe
Just a gut check; are you folks still expecting some sort of tank tuning for 9.1? I know it’s still early in the patch but they seem to be targeting pvp and dps so far.
jagged pier
tank tuning is pretty good already tbh
id be suprised
all tanks are shit and will be shit until we can look after our own survivability again
strong forum
I think we will maybe see some tank tuning after "the great push" event has happened
maybe
sand condor
Gib warrior more deeps! >:(
shut summit
ya, will be 
lime urchin
How do yall know the swing timer of stuff in m+?
Or is this something obvious I am completely missing 😮
jagged pier
is that something ppl track?
fresh belfry
Know, as in, do you think people track it or are computing it in their heads?
still pagoda
fresh belfry
its just gut feeling and knowing the base swing time of npcs is something like 1.8s iirc
jagged pier
i mean u can also just see the mobs swing
jagged pier
but like imo its such a small thing that doesnt really matter at all in m+ as everything swings and different times
fresh belfry
if you dont fuck up that is
its your responsibility for them to swing at different times
if you, for example, heroic leap into a pack, they will all start swinging at the same time
jagged pier
i mean passivly they will anyway dpending when they get into range etc
and intupruts on caster mobs and stuff
like trying to track that just seems like trying to min-max something that doesnt need to be
fresh belfry
agreed you dont track it, but you should be aware of it
like, you dont even need to be aware of when they actually swing or something, just that syncing enemies swings is really dangerous
marble cipher
doesn't a "synched swing" also happen by default after for instance a shockwave? or an ancient aftershock knockdown?
marble cipher
How would you counter that though? Aftershock or Shockwave are often used defensively (well, shockwave more often than aftershock I guess)
strong forum
Cuz everything will just swing at the exact same time
fresh belfry
or after kiting to reset necrotic for example
marble cipher
line them a bit after the stun I assume? so some need to walk longer then others to get back to you after the stun?
strong forum
Make sure to have SB up, you can also offset it a bit with sidestepping slightly away from like half the mobs
marble cipher
k
woeful cypress
is there any math on necro banner w new legendary for next patch?
feral remnant
New leggo???
jagged pier
it effects 1 more person
jagged pier
is there any math on necro banner w new legendary for next patch?
well the math has been done per spec so just add an extra dps number to it
so if u get 3 boomkins
its ~900 dps increase
without taking into account with what u loose from going necro
so like ~700 dps increase
something like that
as the leggo doesnt increase the buff duration for anyone else but the warrior
the math that has been done u can use already
sweet summit
good+good=gooder
brittle owl
good*good=goodening
fresh belfry
only people who never tried playing necro would say banner is good
sweet summit
sir, i am currently playing necro
brittle owl
simp
sweet summit
correct
strong forum
The math of the leggo itself has not been done, but you can get like 40/50sec uptime on yourself
sweet summit
me and my teammates did very well
strong forum
And yeah the extension doesn't work for the other targets, only for the person using it
fresh belfry
😄
woeful cypress
i think im gonna switch to necro today, i dont get to reclear on my war much anymore anyhow
nowthat im 230 ilvl 😄
fresh belfry
i tried necro on two mythic farm clears and it was so awful i really hope its not gonna be worth
except for fleshcraft
fleshcraft is big
woeful cypress
whats so awful abt it?
i assume ur friends tell u when to press it and you do
and thats it
strong forum
Cuz it doesn't have a noticable effect
sweet summit
people dont like sacrificing personal dps to boost the overall raid dps
feral remnant
I really enjoy playing a prot necrolord
fresh belfry
well beside you yourself not dealing any damage and your soulbinds being really garbage (which also means aggro struggles in dungeons)
woeful cypress
meh, i have dmg numbers off
fresh belfry
its really hard to buff the correct people at correct times
the degree of coordination is way bigger than say calling a PI
strong forum
It's just a passive buff, that you often have to hold for others to get max use, so you don't even get to use it on CD
woeful cypress
how so?
fresh belfry
and all those numbers are based on perfect coordination
woeful cypress
how is it a difficult coordination
brittle owl
it has a range and a target cap
woeful cypress
ya i get that
brittle owl
that means it's more finnicky than yellong "pi me" in comms
fresh belfry
- you need 2 (3) people line their 2m CDs all the time
- you need to stand in perfect proximity to the 2 targets you wanna buff
woeful cypress
youll just have a boomkin macro whisper you, you have an intervene macro and you drop it and charge back
fresh belfry
its a pain
jagged pier
youll just have a boomkin macro whisper you, you have an intervene macro and you...
so u have to hol dit for an extra minute then
woeful cypress
i assume ull dk drop it between then
fresh belfry
its not worth if you buff only 1 target correctly
jagged pier
or theres healer closer to u so u buff a healer and dps
thats a yikes
or a wrong dps with no cds
also a yikes
woeful cypress
i feel like it cannot be that easy to buff the wrong person
brittle owl
between him macro whispering you, you reading the thing, then reacting, going to position, and pressing the button you'll prob lose more dps than you gain instead of just minding your own business as per usual
strong forum
Takes coordination from the entire raid to make sure you buff the correct person
Not just yolo I intervene you
jagged pier
as plka said even in his dungeons they were buffing the wrong ppl
and theres only 5 of them
sweet summit
im just buffing our arcane mage 
woeful cypress
well its on the people youre buffing to be in the right spot for the buff
jagged pier
and also dps will try and steal the buff 100% because LOGS
fresh belfry
buffing arcane mage for memes is the only legitimate reason I can see
thats fair use
sweet summit
thanks
woeful cypress
does the banner only buff the closest people to it? like dynamically
fresh belfry
or is that in 9.1?
strong forum
Na it snapshots
woeful cypress
ya i feel like it cannot be hard.
sweet summit
i dont know
sweet summit
i just go to him whenever he tells me to
woeful cypress
sounds easy to me 🤷♂️
woeful cypress
i am going to lol i dont need any encouragement
fresh belfry
I assure you
brittle owl
signal plover
Banner shit fukka u
strong forum
"can you step out real quick"
"where to?"
"just out I'll come to you"
"but my CDs aren't ready"
"ill wait I guess"
strong forum
Ah fuck 2 others got it unluck
jagged pier
☝️
woeful cypress
but its like external cds
its not your cd anymore
who cares if you need to wait 10s for them
feral remnant
and also dps will try and steal the buff 100% because LOGS
So people that dont benefit that much from mastery will ninja steal the buff?? Lol
jagged pier
anyone will do anything to get a bigger log
signal plover
Huehuehue
jagged pier
who cares if you need to wait 10s for them
i mean somtimes u need to wait over 1 min
so you loose value
brittle owl
debatable
signal plover
#BannerIsntFixed
brittle owl
value is in buffing the right thing
woeful cypress
it doesnt matter, its litteraly not your button anymore
if you spec necrolord you have to realize you have 1 less ability
jagged pier
like if u have a bookin for instances u have to use it every 3 mins, but u should also wait for someone else to have cds up as well for full benefit
woeful cypress
well you dont
sweet summit
banner is 2 minutes 👀
woeful cypress
if you pick necrolord tho
jagged pier
actually i just dont press my buttons at all
woeful cypress
that is how it is
jagged pier
to play the game
sweet summit
jakey stop being cringe
woeful cypress
im not saying necro is bis or for everyone lol
brittle owl
i think you two should do a rap battle
@woeful cypress @jagged pier
only way to settle the argument
signal plover
Agreed
woeful cypress
there is no argument lol
jagged pier
i dont know what we are disagreeing about tbh hes saying its not your button im saying u have to wait to use it
signal plover
We can make one up for ya
jagged pier
and that why i dont like it
twin surge
hey i have a very noob question, the shieldblock duration its stackeable or have a max time limit and i lose shieldblock time if use the 2 stacks toghether?
fresh belfry
hes right about it not being your button though
signal plover
hey i have a very noob question, the shieldblock duration its stackeable or have...
Can stack up to 3x duration
jagged pier
brittle owl
what will lim's response be
signal plover
woeful cypress
uhh
twin surge
Can stack up to 3x duration
ty i couldnt find anything it the guides online
woeful cypress
night fae good, banner good sometimes (maybe?)
fresh belfry
look thats the actual misconception about being a simp. if youre a simp you give your stuff away. you think you get something in return (or can decide when to use your banner) but you dont
woeful cypress
ty i couldnt find anything it the guides online
if you use bolster you can get up to like 25s of shield block :)
strong forum
Banner only very situationally good if you can use it optimally everytime without fail on 2 people otherwise it's a dps loss in every way
woeful cypress
right but it might not be abt just pure numbers
like what if theres a fight like SLG where u need crazy burst dps every 3 mins
where it might lose overall value, but still holds water
sweet summit
banner lines up very well on slg actually
strong forum
But slg burst is every 1 minute
brittle owl
slg is a shit fight why yall wasting braincells on it
signal plover
Cuz 0.2% wipe man
fresh belfry
you need burst every 2 minutes or even longer, thats why you brought so many hunters who also kept sitting on their CDs or you stretched phases so hunters get their 2m back
strong forum
Imagine having more than 1 huntard lul
sweet summit
and thats perfect for banner 👀 just sayin 👀
woeful cypress
all im saying is, its a great banner fight
fresh belfry
true
signal plover
Also a rly gud spear fight tho
strong forum
Slg is amazing spear fight
woeful cypress
but skirms are way less important
than commandos
atleast on prog
on farm i think its reversed actually lol
signal plover
Yeh but commando burns are kind of a joke now
woeful cypress
ya forsure lol
strong forum
We have much more trouble with bursting skirms
Commandos are a breeze cuz everything is ready
woeful cypress
ye but on prog, its diffy
strong forum
I wish
fresh belfry
no skirms no problems
woeful cypress
idk i just wanna go banner now to get renown incase its good and im too tired to keep pushing for parses. its so much effort
strong forum
I wish we could skip a bossfight that revolves around killing adds at correct times and having dmg immune bosses
Necro is gonna be massive with the leggo
If you're top end
fresh belfry
damage immune bosses isnt as bad as healing immune raids tbh
strong forum
40-50sec of personal buff + buffing 3 targets
woeful cypress
atleast they arent actually immune and u can still rage gen off them
unlike council boss sadge
strong forum
Still shit Design
woeful cypress
ye forsure
strong forum
"Waiting" bosses are just fucking trash
Lemme go quicker without fucking over some arbitrary timing shit
strong forum
Yeah but that requires even more braincells
strong forum
My raiders don't understand half the fight after fucking 70 pulls
sweet summit
za notcool
brittle owl
maybe try not fucking for 70 pulls?
fresh belfry
oh no
wild hemlock
ugh i had a dream we got shaman tanks
strong forum
But it allowed me to kill my GM
strong forum
Idk what's so hard to understand <. < if mob below 30 = must kill quick
strong forum
Red puddle = bad
woeful cypress
i dont even get to reclear on war ever, our war was just out this week
strong forum
The weakaura tells you everything else
woeful cypress
i was rank 1 for like first 3 weeks and just keep falling
fresh belfry
imagine playing the same tanking class for 3 weeks in a row on the same covenant
woeful cypress
cant be me
jagged pier
im about to lvl my other 3 warriors as theres nothing to do
woeful cypress
also its harder to log well when theres less parses lol
woeful cypress
im not chinese
fresh belfry
have you been to venthyr yet xlim?
woeful cypress
nah, not gonna bother execute already gets me in hot water
it lights up and my brain just says press.
fresh belfry
yeah you expect big things but then realize the >80% phase lasts like 10 seconds during farm
woeful cypress
ya lmao
brittle owl
i mean
brittle owl
that is exactly how you use it
woeful cypress
or i can play at half mental capacity and get 95s and relax lol
signal plover
Coward
quaint glade
hello guys, I swapped to necrolord, now I do not know which soul bind is the decent one. Can someone please ?
sweet summit
emeni is very good
woeful cypress
emeni is the best*
sweet summit
not wrong
proud carbon
bonesmith looks pretty tasty in 9.1 🙂
quaint glade
i dont know how to unlock emeni thus i completed the campaign
fresh belfry
the kyrian leggo is stil not in the game right?
woeful cypress
u prob just need to talk to her
woeful cypress
spear of bastion is now UNCAPPED
sweet summit
coom
fresh belfry
spear of bastion duration icreased by 10s
fresh belfry
spear of bastion now roots targets until they die
woeful cypress
just everytime u use it it gets big dam increase
quaint glade
alright will do today, also for the conduits can you help pls?
woeful cypress
are u running double endurance?
signal plover
What if he needs a more liquid setup?
sweet summit
you could also take double potecy
woeful cypress
thats what i thought abt running if anything id take the potency on last row for ashen or something
sweet summit
instead of double endurance
woeful cypress
maybe w banner i play dragon ROAR
sweet summit
woeful cypress
atleast with banner itll be much easier for me to get flesh craft buffs when i farm PF for a phial next patch :)
(he said before not farming PF for a phial next patch)
sweet summit
just do what i did and get it in vault
woeful cypress
lol one of my vaults was so Bm
it was sire wep/ring slg trinket chain hook and phial
i didnt have a sire wep yet so i had to take it
woeful cypress
i would but the poor warrior in my guild had 220 weps
sweet summit
but youre never seeing that phial again
fresh belfry
maybe we can just have good raid trinkets this time
woeful cypress
ehh idc, ill prob run slg trink for next raid anyhow
sweet summit
maybe we can just have good raid trinkets this time
yes please
woeful cypress
i quite like vessel and slg trinket
fresh belfry
probably running alars ashes for the rest of the expansion
woeful cypress
ok i go grind renown sweaty mode, gn
sweet summit
gn
honest plinth
maybe we can just have good raid trinkets this time
we have them. hakkar is just better
honest plinth
probably running alars ashes for the rest of the expansion
you dont. it will not even proc later
honest plinth
i didint see any word about on use
fresh belfry
hakkar is better because it has an on use effect
that happens to also deal damage on top
but even if it didnt it would still be better than the dennis trinket
honest plinth
well its basic info
fresh belfry
and if you get overkilled by more than 40k even in later tiers you must be doing something terribly wrong
sweet summit
i can see them nerfing al'ar tbh
I dont think they like people using previous tier trinkets
warped mulch
Ursoc trinket
warped mulch
I’m don’t really know how you would nerf the alar trinket without making the overkill number so low it never procs. It’s good because getting a free death as a tank is kind of good, not because it has great dps they can just scale back a little
honest plinth
we have new cheat death trinket actually
fresh belfry
interesting, but why not both?
outer solstice
I bet they'll have a shared CD
fierce field
"can't use because you just used your other on use trinket in the last 20 seconds" womp womp...
warped mulch
Ew, on use return to life trinket? 3 seconds? Alar better
fresh belfry
realizing I died within 3 seconds? no way
fierce field
yeah, depends on what it does "unwind your fate" and leaves you with your buffs from before...
warped mulch
I usually facepalm for at least 5 before I look at the screen again
honest plinth
But thats obviously a lot worse than al'ar
you mean in current state
sweet summit
Well yeah
fresh belfry
well "if you barely died" could also mean it puts you in a necrolord-cheat-death like state for 3 seconds
sweet summit
I think its like al'ar that you cant return if you got fucked by a massive hit
signal plover
It's just so weird that it's an on use
fresh belfry
or purgatory, click button to heal yourself out of purgatory
outer solstice
it'll just be a weakaura and you have to hit a keybind if it happens
outer solstice
yeah but let's see how it actually works
it might just be falvour textr
flavour
warped mulch
That sounds more fun
signal plover
Effin bullshit blizz
warped mulch
Friendship not ended with old cheat death, new cheat death is now my enemy
woeful cypress
update, banner looks cool AF on ur back
fresh belfry
true
best part is you can put it on the back whenever you want
wait until you add the xmog
outer solstice
now let's make 9.1 banner legendary work with bolster and unnerving plz
sweet summit
sweet summit
now let's make 9.1 banner legendary work with bolster and unnerving plz
do you mean the venthyr one?
outer solstice
eh yeah xD
my rework for the banner legendary is that it works fro all 3 people
mixed em up
just had lunch
sry
sweet summit
what'd you have?
sweet summit
nice
outer solstice
but you can roll me around now
sweet summit
plush tendon
<a:catjam:741127114845061211>
Hows the banner?
sweet summit
its aite
sweet summit
miss venthyr mog
plush tendon
Necrolord>Venthyr
sweet summit
wrong
plush tendon
we dont talk about NF and Kyrian plate mogs
polar lily
Nf set lookes like a dried tumor
Wish I could delete the mog from my collection so that my eyes dont start bleeding when I accidentally click it
fierce field
Kyrian fulfils my childhood desire of Cosplaying as a brazier
sweet summit
LMFAO
polar lily
Hqhaha
signal plover
Kyrian fulfils my childhood desire of Cosplaying as a brazier
Shit is lit
fierce field
could also double as a budget Johnny Storm costume.
signal plover
Get it guys
sweet summit
a for effort paw
fierce field
kek
plush tendon
blazing gale
if only you could wear the armor all npc's wear
like simple tunic with some leather parts
instead you get brazier copslay
random oasis
how do you guys deal with inspiring?
sweet summit
option a) nuke it
option b) CC it
option c) dont to keys
plush tendon
Depends, tanks dont get inspired, but you should help your melee and especially healers get away if they are stuck. Generally you can either kill everything evenly -> fear them ->and continue on or kill them as they come
sweet summit
thats spiteful..?
sweet summit
is it inspiring this week?
sweet summit
ah
plush tendon
absolute aids affix this week
though Mists aint bad TBH
Bolstering in Mists is pretty chill since health pools of packs are pretty even
fallow beacon
Thoughts on venthyr cov for M Sire? Don't care about add/pad damage, just looking strictly at boss damage in the hardest phase i.e. p3
Don't really have any survivability issues so not fussed on the defensive side of things
plush tendon
I dont think you being Venthyr or any other Cov with make that phase noticeably easier or harder.
Like, if you really wanted to focus on P3 damage, you would probably have to simp to a fire mage with banner
floral pewter
we dont talk about NF and Kyrian plate mogs
excuse u, I enjoy my cupholder shoulders
fierce field
I think Inspiring depends on the pack, but what Erga said rings true.
sick sentinel
ToP isn't bad this week to fill vault
plush tendon
Neither is mist
As long as you have a plan for 1st boss and your group isnt dumb on 2nd boss, and the 3rd boss graphics dont glitch so you can see whats on the ground
main lance
+36
solid cairn
what do you think about the tanking tier list from wowhead? it's a bit harsh on prot i think
plush tendon
what do you think about the tanking tier list from wowhead? it's a bit harsh on ...
Its fantastic for us
keeps all the casuals in the dark
fierce field
I'm a casual that is swapping from brew to prot for 9.1 😄
plush tendon
no longer a casual then
solid cairn
Yeah but i don't understand why they put war at the least good tank
woeful cypress
you are now enlightened
plush tendon
Be thankful for that
woeful cypress
the guy who writes it is a brewmaster 🤷♂️
fresh belfry
what do you think about the tanking tier list from wowhead? it's a bit harsh on ...
clickbait like every other article on wowhead
plush tendon
Who gives a damn if some guy called you a 'B' tier spec
solid cairn
i don't care about the B tier or anything it's just that i'm not sure that the dude who write the review for prot know what he say
woeful cypress
the person who wrote it doesnt play the class
strong forum
the person who wrote it doesnt play the class
Its an arbitrary rating, pwar is one of the best tanks for CN
But llarold does play pwar
But on reclear tho
fresh belfry
most people who write content for wowhead dont play the respective classes on a high level
theyre content creators
woeful cypress
i dont think reclearing a few bosses counts as playing the spec
fresh belfry
often featured by wowhead
wanton condor
I mean, that depends?
jagged pier
yer but if you put a high lvl prot in they will just put it at S tier
woeful cypress
i clear 9/10 qs guardian and dont know the spec at all plma
wanton condor
Shaman has good representation
jagged pier
tier lists are subjective
plush tendon
shhhhh, let us be B tier
wanton condor
the problem with tank tier lists is that it's actually "brings raid buff I don't have > oh god won't somebody please go tank >>>>>>> tank spec power levels"
aka totally meaningless for raid
woeful cypress
big true actually
wanton condor
that's the secret BDK tech, that they share a weapon with your worst UHDK
woeful cypress
the good thing w prot is we bring full class utility in rally
strong forum
Ignore the label
woeful cypress
where as vdfh doesnt ahve darkness
woeful cypress
so if havoc is good then w/e
strong forum
Just ignore the ranking
strong forum
👼
wanton condor
basically are Arms/Fury/Havoc/WW/MW good? If not, find a tank spot
fresh belfry
MW good
gaunt dawn
basically are Arms/Fury/Havoc/WW/MW good? If not, find a tank spot
That's the case for all tanks
fresh belfry
xd
gaunt dawn
buff bot one way or another
woeful cypress
you pick your tank on the worst 2 of 4 dps spots zzzz
gaunt dawn
i even wrote that in my bdk bit 👼
gaunt dawn
look at me go
strong forum
Tldr
fresh belfry
wouldve seen WAY fewer BrMs this tier if more people had WW on their agenda
strong forum
gaunt dawn
I even wrote that in an earlier article 😮
wanton condor
I do think that BDK really does benefit in raid from all the folks trying to play Unholy who just can't do it well enough
means you can always swap one over
astral crystal
B+ OMEGALUL
gaunt dawn
woeful cypress
next tier is guradian druid/monk meta im calling it
wanton condor
althoug my aotc guild actually has a glut of tanks for the next patch
which is weird but whatever
wanton condor
told my RL I was very much not planning on tanking
fierce field
i'm rebuilding a guild for 9.1 after mine imploded, my brain already starting to hurt with the thoughts on recruiting.
wild hemlock
i'm rebuilding a guild for 9.1 after mine imploded, my brain already starting to...
can i dps on my ele
wanton condor
I wish there was a better built in recruitment clearinghouse than wowprogress
strong forum
Wcl is working on it sigma
wild hemlock
2/10 225 ele with experience on council looking for a home 🙂
fierce field
i need to recruit a recruitment officer
wanton condor
the problem is that recruitment is another job in and of itself
and it don't even pay minimum
fresh belfry
Wcl is working on it sigma
so its gonna work every other monday when the servers arent 404 or?
gaunt dawn
the people who stuck were ones that came organically
strong forum
You have to be a people's person to recruit
gaunt dawn
i'm not a peoples person 😦
fierce field
yeah, still trying to figure out raiding nights with my current group, and toning back down to just targeting AOTC for the tier... with my Real Life... just can't commit to mythic raiding.
wanton condor
good recruitment definitely matters
strong forum
We went from 900 to 3k!!
wanton condor
because if you don't you'll become a feeder guild if you don't collapse
gaunt dawn
the main thing is checking everyones goals are aligned
We're still a feeder guild
😦
You wont ever stop being a feeder guild
until you're at the absolute top
strong forum
Every guild that isn't limit or echo is a feeder guild
Or well method aswell
But that's for other reasons
gaunt dawn
🙂
But if you join Catalyst
you cant play WoW with anyone else
for 4 expansions
Forced Friends \o/
join it
u wont
random oasis
whats a feeder guild?
wanton condor
I tend to think of "mythic guild, caps out at 3-4/10" as feeder guild
basically where any decent player you get will move on within a fortnight
gaunt dawn
i'd get rid of the mentality of feeder guild
its a shit one
and its not realistic
if anything else offers you a better return on your time
you go for it
if you're capable
ofc
wild hemlock
sorry for the offtopic buttttt SOMEONE ADOPT ME https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/burning-blade/boostedmank
gaunt dawn
if your guild is capped at 3/4M then be real
wild hemlock
im desperate lmao
gaunt dawn
thats your ceiling
wanton condor
it's an issue for guilds when they have goals but can't or won't change their players to meet it
gaunt dawn
and be honest with your players
if thats not where you want to be as a guild
revamp, cut the weak
your goals have to align to the end result
wanton condor
very few guilds are willing to do so though
woeful cypress
if anything else offers you a better return on your time
idk if this is true, i raided in w700 guilds for a while with offers from top 50 guilds i just think its more fun to raid w friends
wanton condor
in large part because recruitment sucks
gaunt dawn
idk if this is true, i raided in w700 guilds for a while with offers from top 50...
In this instance, the value of your time is to play with people you know and enjoy playing with
fierce field
yeah, i'm writing up a guild charter, stating that our goals are to be an AOTC guild, so expectations can be aligned at the start.
gaunt dawn
So your goals are being fulfilled
woeful cypress
i guess, thats true. it just depends what you value most
its not always abt ranking
wanton condor
yeah, I'm a midcore player myself, I always go for aotc and then maybe do some mythic, subbing in with a buddy's guild to 5/10 right now
gaunt dawn
You set goals
find guilds taht meet those goals
If you set the goal and you're in charge of the guild
wanton condor
but I just don't have the desire to really do the guild hopping for CE
fierce field
That's my goal 🙂
gaunt dawn
You wouldnt accept any shit salary
You'd accept what is fair
for your experience and work responsibility
Tanks imo have it the easiest
as you can dethrone another tank real easy
even if the guild isnt recruiting and you pop up with better damage logs, less gear, lower EHRPS
you'll get in most of the time
woeful cypress
i feel like thats only half true. i feel like if a guild is content w their current tank its unlikely you can make an impression
wanton condor
idk, back when I raid tanked I don't think my guilds would ever lose a tank that didn't fuck up mechanics and showed up every day
fresh belfry
uhm i'd disagree on that.
woeful cypress
guilds get complacent with tanks and dont care to upgrade if their tank is "good enough"
wanton condor
"oh you can do 5% more shit dps, we know Bob is there every damn day"
fresh belfry
i feel like thats only half true. i feel like if a guild is content w their curr...
plus most guilds would rather let a dps they trust tank than recruiting from outside
gaunt dawn
and shows the flaws
wanton condor
if the tank isn't causing the wipes I'm kind of doubtful they'd much care
gaunt dawn
But also, most tanks are dps re-rolls
if someone rocks up wanting to tank
that person can dps
its no risk
🙂
wanton condor
right, the main value is if the tank doesn't want to tank no more
which is common!
because raid tanking is sleep inducing
strong forum
My issue is just my expectations clash with what I want out of the game
Once I start doing smth
fresh belfry
but I guess there is a pretty hard line between, lets say "hall of fame" guilds who would rather not recruit from the outside and everything beyond world rank 200 who probably constantly struggle to find tanks
fresh belfry
i think we had about 50 tank apps this tier because we needed a new one and ended up with me rerolling tank because we didnt want a single one of them
gaunt dawn
our recruitment was also closed like all tier
we had a few tank apps
idk if they even looked at the logs, they were not v good
If your logs were not better idk why you'd even apply
u kno
fierce field
hoping that one of your current tanks was a dps that could then go back to dpsing
wanton condor
not like applying costs money
gaunt dawn
pretty confident we both would like to dps
but not at the expense of making the raid worse
😄
fierce field
I honestly don't mind raid tanking, it helps me unwind... until I watch DPS standing in everything bad.
novel steeple
Took me a bit to find a spot as a tank. Had to join the B team for a while to earn my spot. That's after I mained hunter till SLG which destroyed my guild. Back to prot war for me
fresh belfry
"look guys Im gonna tank this tier but lets try to find someone to replace me if he's good enough"
yep
not gonna work
sweet summit
yeah sure
gaunt dawn
last time i healed in main raid was elegon progress in MSV
fierce field
last time i healed was Sunwell
novel steeple
last time i healed was in highmaul
gaunt dawn
i did dps for a tier tho 😮
in eternal palace
then as soon as prog was over i was tanking again
fierce field
I tried to heal a heroic dungeon on my shaman and my wife was like.... please make this pain stop
novel steeple
I tried to heal a heroic dungeon on my shaman and my wife was like.... please ma...
funny...my wife tried to heal and i told her to switch to dps
fierce field
my wife haaaaaates dpsing. i think she'd be good at it but she doesn't trust other healers enough, after healing for 14 years
floral pewter
wasn't it just like, three days ago that we had a Llarold article saying that high uptime on Conqueror's Banner would be "without question, overpowered"?
gaunt dawn
healers all dps now anyway
floral pewter
and today, warriors are the worst tank spec because of low cooldown uptime
gaunt dawn
yes?
floral pewter
🤔
fresh belfry
my wife haaaaaates dpsing. i think she'd be good at it but she doesn't trust ot...
is she a 0-dps healer?
fierce field
no, she keeps up flame shock, and will sling a meatball
novel steeple
my wife haaaaaates dpsing. i think she'd be good at it but she doesn't trust ot...
mine is a super casual player. spends more time leveling characters to 60 than playing at 60. she needs to stick to dps lol
floral pewter
right, my point is that holding both opinions simultaneously is some weird doublethink
fierce field
but she's also the kind of player if she was a boomer, would go hotw to offheal when the healer wasn't keeping up
novel steeple
but she's also the kind of player if she was a boomer, would go hotw to offheal ...
haha
fierce field
I think it's really a control issue for her.
fresh belfry
does she see a therapist?
fierce field
she lives with me, she probably should?
mossy sluice
we're b+ tanks according to wowhead 
sweet summit
ya warr shit pls buff :)
grand sierra
It seemed like they gave warriors a B+ because they didn't like the cooldowns
solemn magnet
but yt told me prot war is op new meta
light thicket
ya warr shit pls buff :)
Shhh last thing we need is to get buffed and be noticed
grand sierra
Again, Im the new new warrior but they even pooped on Pain Management.
grand sierra
He is the monk and warrior writer
sweet summit
the guy that writes the prot warrior guide for wowhead
grand sierra
Thats sad, the Demon Hunter writer is very well known in the Demon Hunter discord
sweet summit
mwahi is very well known here 
sweet summit
what does that mean
gaunt dawn
Dk=dh=druid > monk=pala=warrior
fresh belfry
how does DK get on the same level as DH and druid?
gaunt dawn
The only downfall of DK is its aoe dps.
It does more than DH on ST
Ignoring all the malarkey of buff/debuff matrix
Which obviously favours the ones that add to it
Druid has the highest skill ceiling of them in terms of dps optimisation
A druid that sits in bear form all day every day obviously isnt a super competitive raider
DK has an additional issue associated with it however
Is that a good chunk of healers dont know how to heal one
signal plover
It's for emo edgelords?
grand sierra
I was going to go for the issue of which race looks better with blue glowy eyes
gaunt dawn
That's a big issue too
And what camp are you
Only 4th war vets?
Or were you OG in the 3rd war
Big thoughts
grand sierra
see currently I have a Zandi DK because I thought Bwonsandi was going to be bigger in the story but I like Belf/forsaken/human from 3rd war
signal plover
Tru
solemn magnet
Vulpera master race for every tank
fierce field
until you drown near the matriarch in DOS ardenweald wing
fresh belfry
or you cant charge up stairs because of LoS
lime urchin
I promised myself a race change. Sometimes you gotta treat yo self amirite?!
Might go panda. Or gnome.
modern brook
This guy's treating himself to a shit sandwich
sweet summit
dwarf
lime urchin
But mah bulwark doesn’t look nice on le dorf imo
chilly brook
Panda BiS
coral kayak
Aren’t true og warriors tauren?
fierce field
they really need to make the character vertical boxes align... always hated swimming when others were stomping through puddles as a vulpera
fierce field
i have since race changed... two or three times... i might have a problem
coral kayak
Anyone here with thunderfury sword tmog ? How long did it take to get it ? And pls dont say what you about to say
chilly brook
they really need to make the character vertical boxes align... always hated swim...
What? No
Bro vulpera are like 3ft tall
They should have to swim in 2ft deep puddles
Your punishment for being a furry
frail oar
Gnome warrior here, can confirm the lilypads are a nightmare
chilly brook
Gnomes shouldn't exist change my mind
coral kayak
^+
light thicket
Anyone here with thunderfury sword tmog ? How long did it take to get it ? And p...
Like 2 or 3 months
Not that big of a hassle
coral kayak
Like 2 or 3 months
Can i farm on multiple characters?
fierce field
depends on how tall your character is... vulpera, goblins, gnomes, dwarves... none of these exist to the zandalari.
frail oar
Yet tanking big blows without being taller than the boots of a boss is the best feeling
light thicket
As an HM tauren i cant see anything below my knees
solemn magnet
Treat yourself to a thicc step mom. You deserve it.
modern brook
It's not vulpera?
my TBC warrior is vulpera
craggy harness
furry warriors ftw
sweet summit
no
chilly brook
The best gatorade flavor
light thicket
Just... No?
stark sage
orange is up there, but white cherry is unmatched
fierce field
White Cherry > Orange > *
stark sage
also when they did the fusion flavors, the lemonlime + strawberry one was bis
fierce field
i can't do strawberry, the smell alone makes me ill
modern brook
The best gatorade flavor
how come every few days or whatever you just have the wildest, most wrong opinins?
orange over cool blue? actual insanity
chilly brook
how come every few days or whatever you just have the wildest, most wrong opinin...
Because would it be the prot warrior discord if I didn't?
modern brook
smh i guess not :^)
modern brook
rogues retired til 9.1
sweet summit
sub stonks 📈 or
modern brook
not the place for it but the short version is the sub buffs do absolutely nothing for the spec
modern brook
they coulda been 200% and it still wouldnt make a difference
sweet summit
crying
modern brook
yeah turns out no one was playing the spec and thinking "dang i really wish backstab was doing 20% more damage"
sweet summit
ahahaha
sweet summit
modern brook
ionic fern
HEY, it's a hard spec, all i do is spam Backstab.
modern brook
lol
I'm pretty sure on most fights you cast Shadow strike more than backstab at this point
modern brook
😦
modern brook
Your name is orange :^(
ionic fern
I'd ban myself if i'd ment any of what i said.
sweet summit
sad
modern brook
The only change thats kinda pog is Shadow techniques on 3/4 isntead of 4/5
idk how much a damage impact that'll have but its kinda pog
ionic fern
I don't even have a max lvl rogue. 😦
modern brook
I don't even have a max lvl rogue. 😦
go back in time and play it when it was fun :^(
I'm in full casual mode at this point
Just grinding old content for mogs
sweet summit
wanna do loremaster with me?
sweet summit
oh right :/
modern brook
T-T
fierce field
come to US
It's a silly place...
modern brook
It's a silly place...
😬 it sure is
light thicket
Is sub the one that needs to be on the back of stuff to do more dmg?
fierce field
only rogue spec that matters is combat.
chilly brook
go back in time and play it when it was fun :^(
Tbf outlaw is actually pretty fun rn
modern brook
Tbf outlaw is actually pretty fun rn
outlaw is a fury warrior sub class though :/
no arugments though, spec is incredibly fun and CTO is sucha good addition to the class
I hope it ends up baseline
sweet summit
i dont think ive played outlaw yet
chilly brook
I havent touched assassination on my rogue cuz no daggers
But it seems kinda nutty in raid
glossy inlet
has anyone used Memory of the Tormented Kings in like low keys for meme dmg?
sweet summit
one day ill bully Ion into making signet work with ravager
one day...
i believe...
chilly brook
one day ill bully Ion into making signet work with ravager
If only
I really do love signet on fury
I wish it was good for prot
sweet summit
same