protection

[lime urchin]

Oh

[north pecan]

I didnt miss

Seems like you shouldnt wait anymore

[lime urchin]

Still

Blame the healer!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-storm-lightning-cloudy-gif-17607709

[still pagoda]

oh, fuck off. Not taking excessive damage is on DPS and you

https://raider.io/news/204-raiderio-push-week-break-the-meta#utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=break the meta

[amber herald]

why is prot pally excluded?

[sweet summit]

a lot does not make sense on that list

but thats ok

just smile and wave boys, smile and wave

[plush tendon]

its based upon the bottom 50% of played specs

lots of people play Prot Paladin apparently

But for us cultured few, we see Ele Shaman, Fury War, and Prot War in there and are like

oh wait, they changed arms and fury

and added BM hunter

[modern brook]

So destro Frost Assa/sub + prot + priest

so literally the exact same thing just with the scuffed versions of each class

Frost MAge's aoe legendary does more damage than frost dk does in its entire kit

[plush tendon]

Ive seen some BoS frost DKs pump in AOE

but Frost mage still probably the play

[modern brook]

destro lock is budget firemage

[plush tendon]

havnt seen one of dem yet

[modern brook]

yeah cause its budget firemage

[plush tendon]

the locks I play with go Demo XD

[modern brook]

imagine everything you do now

Except combust is every 2 minutes and is replaced with many green boys

[plush tendon]

Most keys I run we dont have a Fire Mage XD

[modern brook]

I'm sorry for your loss 🙏

[plush tendon]

Only run with the bois

we go as high as we can with what we got

TBH, our most common comp is Prot War, Ass Rogue, WW, MM hunter, and Restro Druid XD

[modern brook]

i didnt know ppl still played hunter tbh

[plush tendon]

Hes been a hunter for forever

And if he can play it well, I see no problem

but we're super excited to give this event a go 🙂

[still pagoda]

just as understanding of "meta" but 99% of the community doesn't make sense

Note: In order to determine the eligible specs, we looked at the Timed Run Leaderboards for all of Shadowlands Season 1, sorted by Class Frequency, and showing Mythic+ Keystones at levels 10 and higher. We looked at each role separately (tank, healer, DPS) and took the bottom half of participating specs per role, as can be seen by the following graphs:

[proper berry]

I just swapped back to tanking on my war. What % uptime are yall seeing on SB with the reprisal leggo on average?

[modern brook]

80+ generally

[proper berry]

Cool thanks I tried it for the first time last night and got 73. Was just wondering what I should aim for

[modern brook]

If you're not dying the uptime is high enough, tbh

[proper berry]

haha good point

[still pagoda]

[fierce field]

why spend rage on SB when you can toss it into Revenge?

[still pagoda]

this week's affixes

time to get really salty

[still pagoda]

[fierce field]

sorry... forgot the /s

[proper berry]

Yeah this was a rough week to start tanking again...

[still pagoda]

nah

just learn how to kite

otherwise your healer will just leave from the dung]

immediately

on first pull after seeing you doing shit

[gleaming blaze]

Is Pulsating Stoneheart any good?

[novel steeple]

Kleia immunity is so nice this week in M+

[solemn magnet]

Not really

[gleaming blaze]

didn't think so

[fierce field]

Just marry your healer to remove this as an option

[sand condor]

this implies 2 things
1: your healer is interested in you in some way
2: you even find a healer

[inland raft]

3. You have a good prenup

[fierce field]

crap, i knew I forgot step 3.

[inland raft]

Reason for divorce? He refused to kite properly and i got tired of dealing with his shit.

[fierce field]

you could probably remove the part about refusing to kite properly...

🙂

me: How's mana? her: I need to drink. me: Charge!

[signal plover]

My wife called my prot pal paper thin in a 10 the other day I was like WOMAN IM 177 ILVL IM DOIN MUH BEST

[fierce field]

her: "why do you ask about my mana if you're just gunna pull"

my charge button/keg smash button is trigger happy... depending on what toon i'm on.

[coral kayak]

Into the fray, ravager ? when to take which and why

[proper berry]

On necrotic week no less... my guess is she takes more than half at that point

[sweet summit]

sim it for raid cos dps
ravager in m+ cos yuge threat+rage gen on short cd

[warped mulch]

@coral kayak basically fray is for raiding for better overall mitigation (your melee dps tend to get mad if you try to kite a raid boss) and ravager is for M+ so you can generate good early threat and kite if you have to. Ravager dps is also kind of lackluster on 1 target.

[coral kayak]

Nice, thanks

[modern brook]

@sweet summit u got any prot themed riddles

[sweet summit]

any what

[modern brook]

Riddles

u know like

what gets wetter as it dries

but protection warrior themed

[fierce field]

A Prot Paladin?

[still pagoda]

heh

[obtuse marsh]

whats your keybind for cancel aura ?

[modern brook]

i taped it onto execute

unless its a cancel bop aura

in which case i just ban any paladin that bops me 🤷‍♀️

[torn lynx]

Im looking for a tank to pick up in 9.1, I heard that warr will be the next vengance, how things looking for the spec next patch?

[still pagoda]

oh

another one

[modern brook]

🔮

[torn lynx]

pin something then, Im trying to find info about it

[sweet summit]

uhhh i don't, no

pin what

[light thicket]

So aggresive

[sweet summit]

its like two months away

what do you want me to say?

[ionic fern]

We've got like no changes.

🤔

[torn lynx]

say this then, that so far no idea

[amber herald]

where are people getting this from? 🤔

[torn lynx]

then pin it and there will be no next me asking 🙂

[amber herald]

I've seen a few people say prot is the meta in 9.1 across multiple servers

[ionic fern]

Some streamers probably picked up Prot Warrior.

[light thicket]

Like this?

[ionic fern]

All of a sudden realised that "Oh look..Prot is actually strong". 😄

[amber herald]

we're a good tank if you want to play one though

actually a tank

[obtuse marsh]

Bear next meta for sure

[plush tendon]

Yea, Nerf is high on Prot War right now and i know Andybrew is now playing Prot War

[amber herald]

worlds first 25 SD Was done with a bear

they're pretty good too

[solemn magnet]

You have any idea how many people come in here having not read any of the pins already??

[plush tendon]

You should read the pin

on reading pins

[torn lynx]

lot of rumors going around saying that prot will be a brick wall, eating all phisical dmg like they did in bfa last patch

[plush tendon]

they already do this

[ionic fern]

We have been doing that for a while already

[torn lynx]

I heard it in the titanforge podcast

[patent osprey]

what's a pin?

[still pagoda]

mate, if you're here for meta, you're on a wrong discord

[amber herald]

pinterest

[plush tendon]

check the pins

[still pagoda]

most people here play pwarri as they enjoy the spec

[patent osprey]

[fierce field]

i've played all flavors of tank, shifting to pwar because it's in my top 2 fav to play, along with brew

[light thicket]

Check the check the pins pin

[fierce field]

DH is a poo class for poo players.

[patent osprey]

what kind of abomination plays prot war when it's not in the meta YIKES

[amber herald]

I like brew but they feel really squishy, but I'm probably bad

[cinder nova]

@ionic fern How do I grow a proper Protection warrior beard?

[ionic fern]

I mean, there's nothing wrong in asking. So it's fine.
I guess it will be more of a topic now that some of the streamers finally realised that prot is good.

[fierce field]

been main lining brewmaster since 7.2 and needed a break from it 🙂

[plush tendon]

No!!! I dont want to be meta

[ionic fern]

You are either born with it or not. 👀

[light thicket]

"nerf prot!" Incoming

[cinder nova]

This is stupid balancing

[floral pewter]

so far there are no meaningful changes for us in the next patch. We are fine right now, but objectively the least popular tank in high keys, and until/unless casters stop being the meta for DPS, Chaos Brand is going to be a lot more valuable than Battle Shout

[kindred pine]

Not sure I’m going to focus on tanking yet, but very interested in it. That said, warrior is Venthyr. Is that a good cross class covenant or should I look more into Kyrian?

[chilly brook]

It's almost like.....8.0 all over again

[plush tendon]

Cov Choice plays very little in your ability to tank. Choose the Cov you like. NF is stonks though XD

[ionic fern]

Jeah. 😂

[torn lynx]

thank you

[still pagoda]

pretty much

[floral pewter]

Warriors in general are one of the few classes that can do just fine with any covenant

Venthyr offers maybe the least value to tanks, but it's still not bad, and has good tank soulbinds

[misty charm]

Guys does the "go for itemlevel" hold true on items without Strength on them like neck and rings?

[strong forum]

All tanks in general are very versatile when it comes to covenants, since 99% of your surv comes from playing the game

[fierce field]

back when kyrian covenant swap was bugged, I ran a full heroic on my monk without a soul bind

It really didn't feel impactful not having it.

[floral pewter]

yes, just not quite as strongly

crit and mastery are still useful stats

[strong forum]

You can drop like 10-15 ilvl on necks and rings

But then the raw amount of stats will 100% outvalue any possible stat combinations

[misty charm]

have a neck on ilvl 210 with 70 crit and 120mastery and one on ilvl 207 with 130 haste and 50 mastery

[strong forum]

Haste

[fierce field]

haste

[misty charm]

phew okay

is haste better defense whise than vers?

[light thicket]

Yes

[plush tendon]

99% of the time yes

[misty charm]

interesting okay

[coral kayak]

I like the haste into the fray gives and it makes the rotation smoother, am i loosing much by not going ravager ? Wont so more than 15s tho

[strong forum]

You will lose rage gen, aoe dmg and an additional threat generator

But it doesn't matter

It won't make or break anything

[coral kayak]

Cool thanks

[cinder nova]

Honestly I doubt warrior is ever gonna hit meta levels of popularity. Even during EN when we were objectively OP by miles we were still one of the least played

[signal plover]

Fuck em

[stark sage]

werent we meta in bfa

[light thicket]

I mean we were in 8.3

We were the go to tank for M+

For big dps

[strong forum]

Only in m+ tho keep in mind

[light thicket]

What else is there?

[strong forum]

As soon as you tried to step into raid, people thought pwar was fucking weak

Was hilarious

[light thicket]

Raid tanking is a snore

[strong forum]

OP TANK NERF WTF LMAO CAN'T COMPETE

But also don't step into raid pwar is weak

Fucking community perception is so far gone regarding tanks

[light thicket]

That was a thing?

[strong forum]

Absolutely hilarious

Yes

[light thicket]

Ppl complaining about shitty tanks in raid?

Like just because of meta?

[strong forum]

... Yes?

Always have

[light thicket]

I get it if the guy sucks

But how much of a difference does a tank make in a raid?

[strong forum]

People lost their raidspots as pwar in bfa because they were pwar

[strong forum]

Stupid people don't know that

But at the same people complained how broken pwar is for m+

And they still complain in other discords that they're happy pwar wasn't God tier so far because "we had our time for too long in bfa"

[light thicket]

I mean i get it for m+ at least

I think

[still pagoda]

and also lost their raid spots at SL launch because they were pwar

and so on and so forth

it's perpetual

[strong forum]

Pwar is by default the least popular tank unless its "the best" in something, and as bfa showed, even then people will still think its shit for raiding

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt think much on tank balance in raid TBH; the 'meta' tank is determined mostly by which DPS are strong and which are weak

[supple lily]

people think dumb things
read: tank scaling with gear

[strong forum]

^

[strong forum]

Way too many people care about it

[plush tendon]

its dumb

[strong forum]

Like you see it so often, even in this discord early on

[plush tendon]

or rather, they dumb

[strong forum]

"can I play X tank in heroic raiding?"

Like bitch yes wtf

Doesn't even matter for mythic

[jagged pier]

Nome only dhs can do hc raiding

dont lie

[strong forum]

It's called heroic for a reason

Only hero classes allowed

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[craggy harness]

I neeed a heeero

[supple fable]

Ye isn’t tank meta based on which debuffs you want to bring

And how good the associated dps / healers are

Like if havoc is crazy good they won’t bring vengeance

[craggy harness]

Prot warrior brings the debuff "Not Meta"

[plush tendon]

I mean, it was pretty meta for limit

[craggy harness]

"reduces chance to be invited in pugs by 99.9%"

[still pagoda]

people think dumb things [2]
read: everything below 220 is not enough for +15

[plush tendon]

but what do they know am i right

[still pagoda]

[supple fable]

They brought prot warrior for world first

[stark sage]

tank meta is usually defined by what the WF uses to abuse the race
then people who still dont have CE think they have to use the meta

[supple fable]

You can do 15s comfortably at 200 if people are actually good at the game

[plush tendon]

i mean Limit ran Prot War and DH whereas as Echo I believed ran Brew and DH

[supple fable]

But there’s no way to gauge that with pugs

[still pagoda]

like, it can be done in 180 with absolute comfort

[plush tendon]

Limit was high on WW whereas Echo thought War DPS was going to be swag

[grand sierra]

So I'm an experienced tank but I'm new to warrior because my raid group needs a warrior instead of a Demon hunter. I'm conflicted about covenants. NightFae has a decent ability with a good movement but Necrolord has a great ability but the shield is okay. Any advice?

[supple fable]

idk about absolute comfort. it's possible but the dps checks might be rough on certain weeks

[stark sage]

tbf if your whole team is 180, you would need extremely easy keys to get by

[still pagoda]

you take for the main skill, not the auxiliary

[supple fable]

i think for tyrannical in particular being undergeared hurts more

[still pagoda]

yeah, but rn i've been doing +12-14 keys in fucking 170 as a healer. With no issues, topping everyone off reliably

[unique cloak]

@grand sierra night fae

[supple fable]

in orgnaized gruops or in pugs

[still pagoda]

idk why people so obsess over "undergeared" healer when they can't dodge shit themselves

[supple fable]

and also healer output is very rarely the bottleneck for whether you can clear something

[stark sage]

yeah, but healer's job gets easier when everyone else is geared

[supple fable]

ye

[stark sage]

you wouldnt be able to get KSM with a 180 tank

[still pagoda]

in pugs. Problem is: if you're pugging as a healer, get ready to constantly triage these shitters

[supple fable]

idk i think a difference in ilvl for healer mostly just determines how mcuh dps you can squeeze out

i agree a 180 healer can probably cover easy affix 15s

[unique cloak]

Necrolord isn't even close to the same dps you get from night fae even if you maximize the banner buff it would be close, but maximizing the banner is super hard. And generally the mobility of soulshape will always be more useful than the flesh craft shield/dr (I'm rank 3 all-stars in raid just swapped to necro to farm renown to 40 and I'm immediately swapping back)

[supple fable]

they just won't be contributing much damage

and will also be more punsihed for making mistakes themselves with their tiny health pool / verse whatever

[stark sage]

also have to think about the new legendaries coming for the covenants

[supple fable]

too early to think about that

we don't even know most of them

like that's something i'd consider a month before patch drops

not now

[unique cloak]

The new necro one is good for sure

But you can always swap later, he'd asking for now

[stark sage]

that's what imean, making a decision on your cov now could completley be changed by these legendaries

like yes, dont consider them as is in their current state
but consider them as another variable that could affect your decision

[unique cloak]

I don't really see a ton of value in the banner legendary other than for pure damage though as well

[chilly brook]

You could

Its just not worth the effort

[light thicket]

Wait for blizz to fix that goddamn venthyr leggo

[supple fable]

anyways my original point is that

with a group of full 200 players

[light thicket]

Maybe it will be fun then

[supple fable]

you could comfortably clear 15s if play is good

[chilly brook]

[supple fable]

obviously you can get by with 4 210s and a 180 tank/healer

it prob depends on the tank too

[grand sierra]

I really like the necro but I'm coming from a jumpy DH so I was concerned about movement

[supple fable]

some scale a lot better than others defensively

[stark sage]

warrior is really mobile

leap/charge/intervene

[strong forum]

Don't need dh levels of movement cuz you can actually tank

And not play a game of hide and seek 50%+ of the time

[supple fable]

that too

[grand sierra]

True, Warriors have a lot more defensives besides Diablo and spikes

[supple fable]

2 charges + leap was always enough for me too

[chilly brook]

Daily reminder that llarold can get cucked

[still pagoda]

[grand sierra]

Is there a charge to a person marco/mouse over ?

[sand condor]

could you explain

did they already nerf it?

[stark sage]

doesnt extend unnerving focus iirc

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[sand condor]

yikes

[plush tendon]

still 400 mastery for a long time though

[chilly brook]

Tldr "oh no necrolord specific legendary is definitely OP because it extends things that it doesnt"

[plush tendon]

so theres that.... i guess

[sweet summit]

[sand condor]

yikes

[stark sage]

if they 'fix' it to extend unnerving or bolster
then it'd be godtier

[still pagoda]

it can get nerfed at any point in time. + "Analysing" that early is a way to kill yourself

[plush tendon]

you necro now?

[sweet summit]

ya

agane

[sand condor]

NF ftw

[ionic fern]

I'm thinking they will make it extend Unnerving.
Hopefully not Bolster tho. 🙂

[plush tendon]

why?

[still pagoda]

[sweet summit]

idk

[sand condor]

but..

[plush tendon]

bored

[chilly brook]

Y'know the same thing he did with reprisal "Omfg this lego is so broken OP dummy powerful"

[sand condor]

that would be GLORIOUS

ill show myself the door

[lavish oracle]

It's probably still pretty good because it gives an extra player the banner buff

[sweet summit]

^

[still pagoda]

time for +13 spires

aaaaaaaaaa

pugs

[plush tendon]

The only reason Ive thought about going back Necro is that we dont have any Necrolords XD

[lavish oracle]

Reprisal is dummy powerful lmao

[still pagoda]

spires

tyr week

[sweet summit]

glory is extremely strong

[still pagoda]

necrotic

[plush tendon]

until the shamans rise up

[sweet summit]

no cap on a stack

[sand condor]

omg

this 19 halls

[still pagoda]

C-C-COMBO

[sand condor]

they invited both me

and a fury warrior!

[plush tendon]

SWAG

[chilly brook]

Glory is stronk because it turns your 2 minute CD into something that lasts at least half of that CD

[plush tendon]

men of culture

[sweet summit]

no

[floral pewter]

I don't read that as saying that it extends last stand stuff; that would be a mistake people make about the Venthyr leggo, not Necrolord

[chilly brook]

And the added person

[sweet summit]

cos it buffs 3 people

[plush tendon]

honestly, should be baseline party -_-

[floral pewter]

but like... given the choice between a leggo that gives me +24 seconds of banner, or a leggo that gives me +24 seconds of SB, I'm definitely taking SB

[lavish oracle]

I could see it being used for world first or MDI stuff

[sweet summit]

nah just delete banner and go agane

its cringe

[floral pewter]

banner is not even a very good personal buff

[chilly brook]

Agree

[lavish oracle]

Might be too big of a survivability loss for MDI, though

[sand condor]

i want melee mdi

with a pwar

running glory

[ionic fern]

See, if they did something cooler with banner like
"Put down a banner and go into a blood frenzy nuking everything around you".

That would be awesome.

[sweet summit]

YES

[sand condor]

agreement

[ionic fern]

But instead we got this "Lul, mastery go pewpew for others".

[chilly brook]

It's not but a shitty buff that lasts a long time is better than a shitty buff that lasts less than half of what it does now

[sand condor]

if they made necrolord the actual "slaughter shit"

[lavish oracle]

Kinda wish it was just a more interesting stat

[plush tendon]

"Brandish the banner and charge at a target creating a shockwave doing big damage"

[signal plover]

Make the banner plant do big dam and a succ

[lavish oracle]

Like if that was a bloodlust worth of haste on 3 people

[signal plover]

Delete mastery

[lavish oracle]

That'd be sick

[chilly brook]

Make the banner sunder

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Necro should've had AA and the spell effect could've been little skele hands tripping people up for the knock down

[signal plover]

Nice

[sand condor]

i agree

[chilly brook]

You know you want sunder back

[signal plover]

No

[chilly brook]

🤣

[sweet summit]

i wasnt even alive when it was a thing

jk

[plush tendon]

Theres a lot of cool things they couldve done with Necrolord for War

[chilly brook]

I'm sorry I'm done memeing

[plush tendon]

theres a whole dungeon wing dedicated to warrior stuff in ToP

[chilly brook]

Fr though banner do need to be reworked

[stark sage]

funny thing is banner has been reworked like 3 times now

and still no one likes it

[chilly brook]

It's because they keep wanting it to be a support button

Like the actual concept needs reworked

[floral pewter]

I actually liked the idea of having it be a support button, although I know that's unpopular

it's just kind of a shitty support button because it's really hard to use well

[chilly brook]

I'm ok with support buttons

Just dont think they should be a covenant thing

MoP banners

[lavish oracle]

I wish they would just go all in on support specs

[still pagoda]

we can wish

maybe at some point

[floral pewter]

if Banner just buffed everyone in your party, rather than this stupid proximity shit, I'd be all for it

[lavish oracle]

Like some of the FFXIV jobs

[floral pewter]

make it 3/5 as strong so it's the same total effect, w/e

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't be opposed

I liked how Rift did it with support

[stark sage]

like why didnt they just make the legendary extend avatar, mastery gives us enough defensive value to appease the dev's need to tie it to defensive value

[chilly brook]

But they'd need to make new specs

Or ideally

A new class

Bard

[craggy harness]

i SEDuCe!

[chilly brook]

Paladin support spec "squire"

[wanton condor]

WoW parse chasing would be hell for support specs, look how terrible it is just with PI and Faeries imo

unless you made everything raw damage increases so you could pull them out you'd have DPS knifing each other even harder

[jagged pier]

its OVER

SLG IS OVER

[craggy harness]

gz

Welcome to the next level.

You are not prepared

Insert quarter to continue.

[jagged pier]

for the boss that takes less wipes

and it easier

🤔

[craggy harness]

Yeah I know.

Still gotta prove it though 🙂

[chilly brook]

In Rift it was group wide buffs

And you only really benefitted from like 1 in the group tbh

[wanton condor]

I mean, you could pull it back to what, Cata or MoP where every spec brought a unique buff and it was a clusterfuck

personally I think support classes are cool but they don't really work with WoW designs; you either have a crappy DPS with buffs or have to build around their utility

[floral pewter]

I think you'd have to redesign a lot of wow content from the ground up for a support or control role to make sense

[lavish oracle]

I guarantee 90% of the player base has never seen a log

[haughty sleet]

my slg parse makes me sad, i didnt get to tank any of the commandos

[next ridge]

you guys are focusing haste or vers?

[light thicket]

Maybe not but i guarantee 90% of the base look at details just to determine who sucks and who doesn't

And when i say look at details i specifically mean dmg done

And nothing else

[jagged pier]

laughs in 15th C:

[haughty sleet]

yeah i saw that, looks like you got to tank commandos for a while

[lavish oracle]

If a support role existed, and someone looked at details and was like "ugh, you do no damage" they would be a moron

[flint tiger]

For Kleia this week, would we run triple endurance to get the immunity on the phial and the crit conduit at the end?

I'm assuming we always get the crit conduit effect instead of any of the others since they're kinda trash? Or do we take the potency conduit at the end even if the last trait is just a useless slow proc?

[haughty sleet]

i was always single targeting on goliath and keeping kaal out

still 35th

[lavish oracle]

Like similar roles have existed in other mmos, DCUO, SWG, and FFXIV have all had non-healing support roles

It'd depend on if the crit node or piercing verdict simmed higher

[wanton condor]

so FFXIV is largely saved by the fact that most people don't parse + the actual logs do a rough calculation of dps without support skills

if everyone has a details window up + no easy way to pull out support skills you probably get toxic relatively quickly, as we already see with PI

[lavish oracle]

They definitely do log

[thorny wing]

Guys, i am carrying some friends in lower M+, wanna go for Seismic Leg for the LULS, but which slot?

[chilly brook]

And there definitely is essentially details in FFXIV

[jagged pier]

helm

[lavish oracle]

I think part of it is just a culture thing, wow players are kinda dickheads (so says I, someone who is most definitely a wow player)

[craggy harness]

Not wow. The internet.

The ability to do stuff without being face to face with someone leads a lot of people wrong.

ie: lack of consequences. Same thing as youth crime.

[wanton condor]

ACT is much rarer than details

[cinder storm]

you are not supposed to discuss act inside the game even tho most people use it

[wanton condor]

also the fact that complaining about parses stuff is against the rules

[chilly brook]

Just because its rarer doesnt mean it doesnt exist

And it doesnt stop

[cinder storm]

no one wants to get banned because of act

[wanton condor]

also everyone knows that it comes out in the rdps on fflogs

like that's the whole point

[sweet summit]

the fuck is act

[chilly brook]

Ffxiv budget damage meter

[wanton condor]

xtreme budget

[chilly brook]

That they cant technically use but still do

[sweet summit]

[wanton condor]

the other problem with a dedicated support in wow is that it could be kind of tough to have easy feedback on how you're doing

[candid lagoon]

My fellow warriors, do you guys solo Torghast as prot, solo Torghast as a DPS spec, or start/join a group? I'm hovering around 202 equipped with no DPS lego but I have 2 194 2handers

[plush tendon]

Solo as tank

EZ Mode

[solemn sage]

yh prot is so easy

[jagged pier]

i mean it take mes 20 mins to do both layers 8 a week as u can just run to the end

[plush tendon]

Ive only grouped in Torghast cause I was either helping a friend on a new toon, doing it with guildies so we could suffer together, or on my newly minted Druid XD

[candid lagoon]

Coldheart is a bit of a PITA with the elites that 1shot when they start gaining a few stacks. Is Best Served Cold with Anger Management the most ideal way to solo?

Along with Reprisal of course

[plush tendon]

Yea

[jagged pier]

seimic

u dont need repirsal for torghast

[plush tendon]

^ if you have seismic XD

[jagged pier]

true i guess

[candid lagoon]

I've only got r1 Wall and r2 Reprisal so Reprisal it is! Any specific powers I should be on the lookout for? The increased damage while under affects of shout seems really great, increased rage gen, shield slam increased damage are my go to's

[dusty geyser]

I like to max the shout damage, tclap damage/healing, and just whatever else really. The execute thing really helps with smashing when you dont need to be defensive and nuke bosslords

[plush tendon]

Execute at any health plus infinite rage

lmao

[dusty geyser]

that and the perma zerker rage healing

[light thicket]

Leaper build FTW

[sick sentinel]

I just kind of did it yolo solo from whatever i was at the end of the week i dinged my warrior, felt like kind of do whatever u like and it's chilling solo as prot.

[crisp dragon]

Any cutting edge protties in here rn?

[sweet summit]

i have cutting edge and i play prot sometimes does that count

[crisp dragon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L4NgfkV76xKYBCm1/#fight=17&type=damage-taken&source=11&start=5539006&end=5603890

Why does donny hit me so hard

We start P2 with me tanking both bosses till first wracking, then offtank takes donny

I clear carnage stacks with Kyrian potion, I use literally all my CDs

[sweet summit]

i think this is why

[cinder storm]

maybe this too

[unique cloak]

Generally you don't really want to tank boss bosses on warrior, they slam but with kyrian you should be fine. What's your defensive rotation look like since you say you're using everything there? @crisp dragon

If you're taking unblocked melees you're not using bolster very well, it should be up for the beginning of p2 and you use it basically immediately so that it's up for 3rd cabalists when everyone is walking over, you'll have a lot of carnage stacks there

[crisp dragon]

I use it beginning of p2

I may just not be doing shield block enough, it's still very new

This pull felt a lot better

[unique cloak]

If I were you, I'd go into p2 grab remoria get a block rolling, leap over to port denathrius.. last stand when he ports, reflect the wracking pain (for the DR) when your co-tank taunts denathrius kyrian vial. And then just maintain block til you get sucked.. and when you get sucked normally I wall when we're walking through the mirror

The mirror transitions are typically the most dangerous part of p2 since you'll get next to no healing

If you need an extra layer of DR at the beginning of p2 just demo shout when you last stand do that it's up for the next mirror transition

Oh also, when you go through the mirror just keep running so that remoria doesn't melee you before going up for impale. It'll let your carnage stacks drop off a lot faster

[crisp dragon]

When you say leap over with Denathrius, you're still tanking both bosses, right?

[unique cloak]

Yeah

[crisp dragon]

Cause that is essentially how I do it, I dont SR the wracking, Ill have to try that

I'm using the phial of patience, so its stronger phial but its over time sadly instead of instantly

[unique cloak]

Tanking boss bosses will wreck you no doubt but it's definitely possible

You care more about removing the bleed than the heal

[crisp dragon]

Do you have a log? Just to see the amount of damage you're taking there

[unique cloak]

I don't tank both because I'm not kyrian unfortunately

I play NF, I just know what it's like to tank both

I ended up just having our dh hold remoria til after first wracking

[crisp dragon]

Its just our main team is doing it this way with a monk

[unique cloak]

Monk != Warrior

They dodge half the bleeds

[crisp dragon]

I see, we'll have to come up with another tactic then, cause this isn't working

[unique cloak]

I can send you a vod of how we do it but it's not that complex just have the dh grab remoria when he goes to chaos brand sinseer

Dh is fucking immortal they should have no problem holding her for a couple seconds

[crisp dragon]

I'd like to see some more vods just to get a feel what of things

[unique cloak]

Sure I'll dm you mine from last night

[solemn magnet]

No

Correct, it only keeps LS going

Nothing about the block

[fresh belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/90xgz9F.png

we did it

[next ridge]

shall i prioritize haste over vers for m+? i have both the best haste and vers shoulder and don't know which one to upgrade

[coarse dust]

Guys, I play a vulpera warrior and I got to the point where I am tired of hearing my shouts after pressing every spell, is there a way to disable the roars and shouts without muting sound effects?

[strong forum]

generally yes, prio haste

[silk edge]

Does the « difficulty level » of keystones resets with a New patch ? Or is a +20 now the same as a 9.1 +20 ?

[strong forum]

base m0 difficulty will rise by about 30%

which will translate into m+

so a 15 in 9.1 will be like a 18/19 right now. a 20 in 9.1 will be like a 23 right now

[next ridge]

thanks!

[knotty dawn]

Former rogue going tank for insta queues. Where should I begin?

[red tree]

Halls of atonement is pretty easy

[silk edge]

I see. Thx 👍

[solemn current]

Macro it until a console command. "/console Sound_EnableSFX 0" next line after showtooltip and "/console Sound_EnableSFX 1" at the end of the macro should work.

Guys I'm at a crossroads at the moment. I'm really wanting to spend more time on my warrior in the downtime and currently Kyrian, is it really still considered the ideal covenant if I'm doing both raiding and M+ as both Prot and Fury especially while using separate soulbinds for convenience or could I find more overall damage/survability with both specs somewhere else? My main issue I'm seeing with Kyrian is not being cable to use Pelagos for both specs without swapping conduits constantly so I'm using Kleia as prot.

[plush tendon]

You can use Pelagos for both specs; you opt out of the first potency for prot and then put the cov specific one at the bottom

[supple fable]

It’d be nice if they buffed valiant strikes or bron at some point

[plush tendon]

Potency conduits for prot outside of cov specific are 😦 so another endurance or fitness conduit is good

[supple fable]

You lose out on phial cd reduction by opting out of the 1st potency don’t you?

[plush tendon]

Yea, but how much cd is that really?

Kill 20 mobs in 5 mins, 20 seconds?

[solemn current]

Only real problem is the rest area situation but I guess I could waste a tome to swap I would just have to remember (the auto swapping is the convenience part). I would lose the Rally conduit for one or the other spec unless I lose out on double endurance. The real question would be is that route more effective than swapping to something like Night Fae for both?

[plush tendon]

it would look something like this

I will always recommend NF, but if you like Kyrian no reason to switch

This is also a option; very competitive for Prot should you not want to switch

[solemn current]

I'm not attached to it. I'd say the best part about it is the set it and forget spear that especially lines up with other 1min CDs as Fury with the mastery buff. I'm currently running the Kleia conduit for Prot that you show but it just feels kind of...weak? compared to other options at least. Would Night Fae bring a noticeable improvement for both specs without ruining potential in either content is the real question. Preferably without having to swapping conduits.

[plush tendon]

Korayn and Prot War pumps

thats all I will say

[solemn current]

Leaving Niya for Fury I assume?

[vestal moat]

Is there a similar easy way to swap trees for NF if we go back and forth between FUry and prot?

[plush tendon]

Niya for Fury or ST

Korayn for M+

[vestal moat]

ty

[solemn current]

Korayn for Fury M+ as well?

[vestal moat]

yeah thats true we need first strike

[plush tendon]

youll have to make trade offs no matter what Cov or Soulbind you choose

Kyrian Pelagos might actually be the most versatile Soulbind to run as both Prot and Fury with no switching conduits

[vestal moat]

i mean i guess could just go niya prot for all content including m+ and korayn for fury

then never have to switch conduits

[plush tendon]

Korayn is strictly M+ for both

Niya is ST for both

[vestal moat]

i feel first strike is somewhat weird as prot to proc it if you dont have ravager or something. or do people heroic throw before you go in or what

[plush tendon]

you charge in

and you should be throwing ravager before your charge connects anyways

but charge is enough to proc it

[vestal moat]

omg i forgot charge deals damage

por

pog

[plush tendon]

So you have options, and in either case there will be some sort of trade off youll have to make; Pelagos has the least detrimental

but you can make it work with either NF or Kyrian fairly easily

[solemn current]

Yea understandably would be losing Phial, but where as Kyrian seemed like the go to for multi spec at the beginning I'm beginning to see less and less warriors with it for some reason so it's becoming questionable for me. I'm always down to improve where I can though just can't be bothered to stress about the stupid conduit charges when I'm potentially switching specs multiple times a day.

So if I understand correctly, your firm on NF being the overall better covenant for running both specs. It's just not as easy to swap specs as it is for just running Pelagos for both specs in all covenants? Does that inconvenience include swapping conduits or just having to swap paths?

[plush tendon]

Swapping paths

[solemn current]

In your opinion, worth the added inconvenience?

[vestal moat]

I have been Kyrian all expac switching to NF this week. I am only switching for more dps now that progress is over. If i were still progging on raid content I would stay kyrian.

[plush tendon]

TBH hasn’t been that big of a deal

[vestal moat]

also i waited for this non push week to switch bc i like doing high keys also but obviously am not doing it this week.

[plush tendon]

At least from a prot perspective; cov choice isn’t that important and anything works

You’ll just have to narrow down how you want to set up soulbinds, and they may not be optimal but you won’t lose much tbh if they aren’t

[vestal moat]

I agree. But if you play keys, particulatly fury, it matters. i am switching mostly for fury. it's like a 10% difference in keys to go NF.

and since tanking is about the same, then there you go.

[plush tendon]

Yea, but kyrian dungeon buffs are generally a tank responsibility

But I digress; in the end either works and play what feels right and it’ll all work out ok

[solemn current]

I don't really progress raid contentcurrently. Clear heroic pugs that kind of thing. Otherwise I'd likely be Venthyr for Fury. I'm just not against improving my experience in raids vs Kyrian if the option is worthwhile in the bigger scope of things. 10% difference in keys seems worth it as long as raid damage doesn't really suffer either. Wouldn't mind more damage as Prot either as long as the defensive benefits outweigh Phial. But damn I didn't really consider dungeon buffs. Not many non tank specs running Kyrian huh?

[vestal moat]

WW monk is the only.

kyrian

sometimes pally

but i never see them

[plush tendon]

WW, hpals, some hunters, ret

[vestal moat]

i actually think its 15-20% in keys for fury actually. like 1k dps

[plush tendon]

AA and Korayn is big dam

[solemn current]

Guess I'll have to consider that, but at the end of the day if I get turned down for a Bastion M+ because of covenant then oh well.

[plush tendon]

Now is also a good time to try them all out

I have 3/4 covs at 40 and as of right now NF was the most worthwhile

For me

[vestal moat]

Thats some good grinding.

[plush tendon]

Renown EZ

It’s what people be doing prepping for 9.1

[vestal moat]

it's not the renown its the campaign

korayn is the last soulbind of course

[plush tendon]

Put some music, movie or podcast on and it’s not too bad

[solemn current]

First Strike would ideally be the go to for both specs in M+ yea? How does that work for the single potency? I imagine NF conduit would be used for Prot, but would the Reck conduit not be better for Fury?

[plush tendon]

That’s where it gets tricky

Cause ideally for prot you run cov specific plus first strike

But as fury you want the recklessness one plus first strike

However, you could pivot for double potency on fury, triple endurance prot, or take the second potency slot as prot and take the damage reduction

[solemn current]

I'm assuming you play both specs? Whats your opinion if you don't mind. Seems like First Strike is too good to pass up on either spec

[lavish oracle]

Is it just me or does the new hpal leggo for kyrian seem reeeally strong

[plush tendon]

Easier to lose first strike as prot then it is fury

But I’ve only dabbled in fury (prot Is what I like doing)

But for me triple endurance prot ain’t bad nor is skipping first strike and taking the DR or just using niya full time

[solemn current]

Ah gotcha. I'm looking at top damage M+ logs and see a lot of warriors opting out of Reck for single potency NF conduit. If that's an option I could go that route maybe?

[plush tendon]

Yea

Then you won’t have to do any switching

[solemn current]

Basically doesn't screw up anything for M+. Make some adjustments for Niya in raids to swap. I guess for First Strike single potency is required anyways so NF definitely greater than Reck?

[plush tendon]

Though you’ll probably lose 1 endurance for fury if you want unnerving focus for prot, but that’s not too important

[solemn current]

conduit wise

[plush tendon]

Raids it’s all about burrs

Burrs go burrrrrrr

[solemn current]

People running unnverving now with AM?

[plush tendon]

It’s still aight

Makes last stand a dps cd in a way; not hugely important

[solemn current]

Figured as much. So NF conduit M+ both specs and run Innerving just giving up endurance conduit for Fury. Raid throw NF in first conduit, go Reck+Poison for Fury and Endurance+Burrs for Prot?

[plush tendon]

That would work

Id sim burrs for fury though

In the end, I would always recommend maximizing fury first then taking what’s leftover for prot

Unless you prioritize prot of course; but sounds like you play both 50/50 in all content

[lavish oracle]

I tend to plan my CDs so that if I need big mitigation I can use SB + last stand, SB + Demo, or shield wall by itself

I try to use those combos on CD

[solemn current]

Yea pretty much 50/50. And it seems wowhead guide was wrong because top parses are taking Burrs like you said which means Reck goes in first slot. I swap for raid less though so conduit switching could be done there i suppose. I apprecriate the help though. Got a lot to wrestle with. Shame too because I just went through this on my main lol.

[lavish oracle]

And UF makes me even tankier In SB + Last stand so I still use it

[plush tendon]

Rage gen from unnerving is for revenge :p

[plush tendon]

You could do for raid; you wont have potency conduit for prot, but again, its not the end of the world

[lilac quail]

Do we have softcaps for haste as prot?

[exotic wadi]

I have to tank temporarily, but i'm venthyr, should I be usung Draven or Nadja?

[lilac quail]

Draven thicc

[plush tendon]

like every other class; 30% diminishing cap starts; otherwise no

[plush tendon]

Nadjia 99% of the time. Draven only when you need EHP (Effective Health Points) which you will only start needing in 24+ keys

[lilac quail]

Does that include the haste gains from Into the Fray?

[exotic wadi]

raid I guess Nadja is better

[plush tendon]

always

[exotic wadi]

gotcha, thanks!

[plush tendon]

no; flat stat I believe but I could be wrong

TBH, not something to really worry about

[chilly brook]

Always ran unnerving

Most of the best soulbinds have 1x potency and 2x endurance

[plush tendon]

Yea, but he wants to play Fury and Prot in both types of content, so its get a bit tricky XD

Unless you going back to the forge every time

[lilac quail]

Ashen is fine for prot - condemn hits like a monster anyways

[nova rover]

for +15s whats the best leggo? The wall or reprisal?

[lilac quail]

definitely reprisal

[woven galleon]

Reprisal fho sure

[nova rover]

for raids reprisal still? haha was behind the game as to when it switched

[sturdy sable]

It's competitive if you can make it work without giving your melee a heart attack run it if not wall is perfectly fine

[worldly verge]

Is there a downside to macro charge and intervene into the same keybind and change according to my target?

[grave wedge]

So how does venythr hold up for prot warrior.

[ocean bloom]

its fine, good single target dmg, most of the time you would be "better" with kyrian or NF

if you are just off specin it you can do 99% of content as venthyr

[grave wedge]

Sweet currently kyrian but i was considering the swap due to it bieng better for arm/fury

[worldly verge]

I thought nf was the best for fury?

[ocean bloom]

all are decent for every spec tbh were pretty lucky

[worldly verge]

I mean I chose nf just because the best soulbinds for fury and prot are not the same

wouldn't have to pick an inferior soulbind

[wanton condor]

NF is good! Best all rounder IMO

[worldly verge]

Is there any downside to macroing intervene and charge together?

like it switches according to ur target

[short kiln]

I do it that way and it works fine

mouseover for them both too

[plush tendon]

It’s the best way to do it; just remember when using reprisal to keep intervene on CD

And charge when able

[worldly verge]

ty

[nova rover]

Thank you

[tame jasper]

I‘ll do that but still dont get SB uptimes from 65+, always slightly above 60 😦

[jagged pier]

if your not charge weaving and only intervening you only get like 65%

[bold plume]

anyone know how to return the WoD time walking intro if blizzard moved you out because you were stuck?

[tame jasper]

My mainprob at charging is the min range. Sure for mobs like the fat guys in warriorwing in top you can run out and chsrge back in when they channel whirlwind etc, but mostly the mobs just run behind you or you have leap every now and then 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

u can stun charge

fear charge

as well

if trees are down u can get out as they are dying

u can charge range mobs

but you need to be careful about that one

so you dont charge through other mobs

[tame jasper]

Is it possible to create a weslaurs which shows an 8y radius around you, so I could better see when I can charge mobs, eg after I stun them?

[jagged pier]

pretty sure they got rid of anything range based like that a while ago

just comes with practice really

[tawdry dirge]

which tank has the highest dmg taken usually? DK?

[jagged pier]

thats a very odd question, tbh we all take the same damage we jus thave different ways to mitigate/ heal the damage back, DK is only worst atm because it really does work around taking the damage and healing it back

so they dont really stop the damage

also there are some boss fights where you cant recieve healing so they cant do anything in thoughs situations

[urban portal]

wait doesnt DBM have a way to track people near you

[jagged pier]

it used to be far better

and he was asking to track mobs

not players

[urban portal]

oh i thought we were talking about intervenes only

but yeah

doesnt DH also have pretty shit mitigation

i dont play other tanks

and a lot of their heal is from collecting souls

[jagged pier]

well soul cleave collects them for them

or whatever its called

[urban portal]

its still healing tho

and not mitigation

[south copper]

They can do the fiery brand build, spreading it to all mobs and they do 40% less dmg

[urban portal]

yeah i heard fiery brand is what made them good this tier

fiery brand, spam cds, and start running once brand falls off

[south copper]

Ya it's good this tier cuz theirs a Lego that reduces the CD on brand so they can do it every pull or every other

[brittle owl]

it's not brand

it's meta

in yhe highest keys you don't facetank outside meta

brand is a big component but not the biggest

[lucid wigeon]

Tbh its DH entire tool kit. Meta, firey brand, very high burst aoe dmg, good mobility/kiting and the 5%magic dmg

[lime urchin]

And the cc. Oh and those sweet sweet sigils.

[strong forum]

And the lack of stuns of vdh is such a good thing

People like to think that the current meta tanks toolkit is "oh so amazing"

So take it with a grain of salt

I for one feel useless with dh toolkit compared to warrior

It's a "the grass on the other side is always greener" type of thing when people talk about other tanks being good I feel like

[lavish oracle]

Sigils are pretty nice but not exceptional

[hollow snow]

yea you get clapped on DH super hard unless you use your cds properly

since without demon spikes up youve got like 1/3 the armor of a warrior

[brittle owl]

sigil of misery is a thing

but yeah, water is wet, people completely misunderstand reasons for meta picks

[jagged pier]

LUL the condemn leggo got nerfed for prot XD

[lavish oracle]

So now it extends sb and UF, right? /s

[jagged pier]

doubt it

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

I mean

It was blatantly overpowered if they fixed the conduit interaction

And it's still overpowered

Assuming they fix Unnerving

Cuz it makes legit 0 sense that it doesn't atleast extend Unnerving. It not working with Bolster could be intended but the conduit just makes no fucking sense

[jagged pier]

☝️

but i would also say the NL leggo not increasing the other buffs seems dumb imo

[strong forum]

With the 4sec + Unnerving you could stack up several minutes of LS with ease

The 3sec still is absolutely massive, but again, it requires the Conduit to work

[jagged pier]

but that might be why it should work like that because that uber OP

to have like minutes of LS

not that any bosses 100-80% or 20-0% takes minutes tbh

[strong forum]

No, but within that initial 100-80 window you can already stack up several minutes of LS lasting until 20-0 on short bosses

Guaranteed

You can condemn atleast every other global

Often back to back, especially during ravager

You just fucking spam those condemn

Back to back to back to back

[jagged pier]

give the kyrian leggo i want to see it

the paladin one is busted

[strong forum]

It's gonna be dogshit

Bet

[jagged pier]

if its anything like the paladin one it wont be

[strong forum]

Yeah na, we're not getting good shit

Not allowed

[jagged pier]

😆

literally paladin is gunna be busted 40 second cd on divine

then it casts 3 times inbetween

so literally divine toll every 10 seconds

[strong forum]

It'll get nerfed

[jagged pier]

fuking busted

[strong forum]

100%

Only repeats once, and 15sec later

Or some shit

[polar lily]

Cant all warriors just complain bout the venthyr leggo being meh so it makes to livw

[jagged pier]

every 10 seconds after you cast it for 30 secs

so that 3 casts

[strong forum]

Yes

It'll get nerfed

It'll never make it to live

It's too broken

[jagged pier]

i honestly want to go on ptr to play it, but its just data minded not in the ptr yet

[strong forum]

You can't get it on ptr yet

Ye

[polar lily]

More broken than stuff other classes have?

[strong forum]

Yes Ulf

The kyrian Paladin leggo is beyond broken

[jagged pier]

its a mass slience every 10 seconds

[strong forum]

It's also beyond broken for hpal

[jagged pier]

and hits stupid hard even at 60% effectiveness

[strong forum]

Infinite healing

Infinite glimmer healing

Infinite holy power

Infinite damage

[jagged pier]

like take mikanos have fun paladin you get divine toll every 10 seconds now just press buttons

u good

[polar lily]

Oh i was talking about war venthyr leggo. But that does sound pretty op 😅

[strong forum]

Venthyr leggo is also busted af for fury

You can get over 1min of reck

[jagged pier]

80% reck up time

well not anymore

but still alot

[polar lily]

Yeah but how "broken" is that really compared to what other classes already have

[strong forum]

Quite

It was too strong, it still is very strong

[polar lily]

Yeah lets have 9/10 leggos be useless instead. its safer 😅

[strong forum]

9/10 leggos will always be useless

If there is 1 leggo that's 1% better, the others automatically are useless

Welcome to your Illusion of choice

Also signet is still strong so idk what your point is

Venthyr was too strong

So it took even more choice away

[polar lily]

Thats a narrow minded view in my opinion.

[lavish oracle]

It'd be nice if there were more situational leggos that saw use

I guess there will be when we get 2 slots

[strong forum]

No that's exactly how balancing works. You basically said "I want venthyr leggo to stay broken" and then said "let's have 9/10 leggos useless instead" implying you want variety

[polar lily]

Well signet would probably outperform perma reck anyway is my intuition in aoe situations. Certainly one can imagine a legendary power that can outclass others in certain areas

[strong forum]

So which is it, balance or OP

[polar lily]

Both

[strong forum]

Can't have that

In a game where numbers are involved

[polar lily]

I want several strong ones, signet is strong in aoe, that one wouls be strong in st

The combat situation is not static

And with scripted fights you can tune legendary effects to be strong in different situations. Thats what I believe

[strong forum]

That could be done sure

But it's Blizzard, so it won't

Nerf the strong, ignore the weak

Occasionally ignore the OP niche cases

Call it balancing

#NoChanges

[gaunt dawn]

You're hired.

Finally someone gets it!

But in reality its more nerf the opressively strong

nerf the kinda strong next tier

niche cases is a case of popularity

if its too popular, decimate them

[polar lily]

Well blizzard made D3 from absolute shit to a great game imo. By now it is outclassed but within the time span of a year or so they did some insane improvents. Never seen anything like it

[sick sentinel]

everyone except blizzard gets it

arms warrior,surv hunter,ench shaman

all bottom

which is actually sadge

[gaunt dawn]

Only surival out of those 3 is true

[sick sentinel]

what if i want to play the more fun dps spec of shaman

[gaunt dawn]

the other two strictly false

if you're looking at output

representation, sure

arms is boring as fuck

enhancement doesnt bring raid util

survival hunter is a meme for 3 expansions in a row

[sick sentinel]

ARms is fun

who doesnt like condemn spamming

[gaunt dawn]

compared to fury

is it?

[sick sentinel]

just like tbc hunters

1 button rotation

heh dont get me wrong im venthyr and im fury

[gaunt dawn]

i wouldnt put survival hunter in the same camp as any other spec

its just utterly shit

(for raiding)

[lavish hare]

Biggest problem I see on this week is that it is Fortified and Tyranical at the same time

[jagged pier]

eh?

[lavish hare]

Bolstering on big packs make them fortified

So its huge time on packs and huge time on bosses

That’s why this is a fukd up week

[jagged pier]

i mean killed the mobs at the same time

🤷

[lavish hare]

Ow sure

[jagged pier]

dont do huge pulls

[lavish hare]

🤣🤣🤣

[jagged pier]

as they arent needed and u generally dont pull more than 5 mobs

some times sure

but most of the time u dont

[lavish hare]

DoS how do you pull?

🤷🏻‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i mean u dont need to pull the 2 big packs at the start

u can seperate the first pull

and focus the big guy each time

[lavish hare]

And there goes the timer

[ionic fern]

?

[jagged pier]

like you should anyway

[jagged pier]

?

how bad is your dps if slowing down pulls kills the key

[ionic fern]

Bolstering isn't rocket science..if there are enemies that have more HP than the others and you can't effeciently pull around them just focus target them down.

That's about it.

[lavish hare]

Sure mr scientist

[jagged pier]

i mean Mwahi isnt wrong

[lavish hare]

I like these forums, really

[ionic fern]

I mean if you're struggling with it maybe go play the game and try out tactics that work for you?

We are just speaking from our own experience.

🤷

[jagged pier]

like we are giving solutions to try

just beig toxic back and not taking in the advice is kinda dumb tbh

[lavish hare]

Who is being toxic?

You kids are so fragile these days

Gezez

[ionic fern]

?

[blazing condor]

lol

[jagged pier]

?

[ionic fern]

You okay there?

If you don't want our advise and are here just to argue then just stop it.
Otherwise i'd be happy to help.

[lavish hare]

I didnt ask for any advice, people came in braggin that some instances and affixes are no “rocket science”, like, “just do this bro”

This is no advice mate

[jagged pier]

DoS how do you pull? sounds like a question to me

[lavish hare]

If you really want to make your point on ang argument, cause you are so huge, just say it, dont brag

[ionic fern]

That's not "bragging". 🤔

[jagged pier]

and we both gave you different solutions

[blazing condor]

^

[lavish hare]

Owh but it is

[ionic fern]

And the "just do this bro” was the advise.

😂

[jagged pier]

sounds like your a bit butt hurt tbh

🤷

[ionic fern]

".if there are enemies that have more HP than the others and you can't effeciently pull around them just focus target them down."

^ advise.

[jagged pier]

'u can seperate the first pull
and focus the big guy each time'
^ advice

[lavish hare]

Me? Im not. Im not nerdy who plays this to know every class to its 100% of all. I just play for the fun. And came here to say that this week for pugs are shit crap

[blazing condor]

Bolstering really isn't hard if you think about those things - im pretty sure that was the point

[lavish hare]

Omg, another one

[jagged pier]

i mean made in your one pug

but in general if u mark mobs in pugs

they will focus the skull mark

i generally have very little issues in pugs and i pug 99% of my keys

🤷

u can generalise like 1 experience then aruge that its shit

when its just not and you could have done alot to help the situation

[lavish hare]

Im just a 1.3k rio, i’m nobody. I just came here to say that this week is crap

[ionic fern]

Okay, great.
It's fine.
This week is crap for you.

ENd of this discussion.

[jagged pier]

[lavish hare]

But anyway, anything you say here can and WILL be discussed always

Everybody has his reasons

[ionic fern]

That's what this is for?

😂

[lavish hare]

Like in all parties

No mate, that’s where you are wrong

[marble cipher]

There are tresholds of key levels where this week is utter shite.
Fact remains that people here are actually giving their two cents on how to improve those shite weeks

[lavish hare]

If everybody is right about something, thats ALL this is not for

[jagged pier]

its literally a forum anything gets discussed here dont get angry if ppl disagree

[lavish hare]

I mean that there is not ONE SINGLE DISCUSSION people wont disagree

There will always be the smart pants that disagree

[ionic fern]

That's why it's a "discussion".

[lavish hare]

No mate

[hollow bolt]

wait wait wait

[jagged pier]

[hollow bolt]

wait

wai

so if someone disagress

there being an asshole?

[lavish hare]

There are points that are facts that people cant disagree

But they still do

[hollow bolt]

and not just puting out there point

[lavish hare]

Omg, another one

[blazing condor]

my opinion = right

[hollow bolt]

fine i think this week is great

[lavish hare]

Exacly^^

[lofty widget]

disagreeing is like the foundation of an argument? or am i missing something

[jagged pier]

and whats the point we cant disagree with, that this week is horribel for pugging?

becuase its really not

[lavish hare]

You are missing that you cant disagree on facts

[hollow bolt]

yeah i disagree

[lavish hare]

But here everybody does

[jagged pier]

its not a fact

[hollow bolt]

every week is horrid for puggings

[lofty widget]

what are the facts tho

[ionic fern]

Lets not get carried away with this tho. 🙂

[blazing condor]

whats the fact here

[jagged pier]

its your experience

[ionic fern]

Just ping me if things go south.

[lavish hare]

I dont care what the facts are mate

[blazing condor]

???

[hollow bolt]

???

[jagged pier]

what?

[lofty widget]

???

[blazing condor]

lmao

[lavish hare]

???

What???

[hollow bolt]

Ahhh warrior discord

biggest stick wins

[lavish hare]

Are you saying you can disagree on facts?

[hollow bolt]

fuck ur facts prot warrior is the alpha chad warrior with no issues

[lavish hare]

Language

[hollow bolt]

its so good mdi is sleeping on it

yeah im speeking english

[jagged pier]

i dont know what facts youve bought to the discussion youve just brought your subjective opinion

[hollow bolt]

do u want it in arabic?

[lavish hare]

No, you are cursing

[sweet summit]

Thats ok

[hollow bolt]

yeah daddy says its ok mom

fuck off

[sweet summit]

I can say fuck if i want to, and so can he

[blazing condor]

cant we all just get along

[lavish hare]

Mods, please?

[lofty widget]

fuck

[hollow bolt]

you can we fuck 2gether

[jagged pier]

fuck

[blazing condor]

fuck-word

[strong forum]

This is a Christian discord, we do not condone such speech here. ✝️

[blazing condor]

i do

[hollow bolt]

I thought this was the 18-rattatui discord

+*

[ionic fern]

Don't go full #fury tho.

[jagged pier]

[hollow bolt]

ILL USE THE FURY WORD AS I PLEASE

ill say some scary stuff, duel weild, blood thirst...uuuh....

Heroic strike

[blazing condor]