protection

[chilly brook]

Much better than making 20k for a 15, I make double that

But I'm also a part of Accelerate @modern brook

[twin hazel]

Sometimes you cant even lust first pull and have lust for hakkar

[modern brook]

dang

[twin hazel]

ive seen it on fortified weeks too

[modern brook]

i was trying to leave accelerate

[twin hazel]

for the real big pumpers

[solemn magnet]

Yeah, sometimes you grt it on hakkar like last 40% or something.

Still worth using

[twin hazel]

yah for sure

[chilly brook]

When I wanna boost I never get in, when I don't its just constant pings

[modern brook]

exactly

they also have like active sellers at like 4 fucking am

and nothing during 5pm-midnight

[twin hazel]

ah yes degenerate hours

i know those well

maybe i should try and join

[flint tiger]

@sweet summit @strong forum would you guys run 220 alacrity trinket or 220 IQD with the decanter winds trinket? don't have any actual defensive/tank trinkets (aside from the meme bladedancer's one).

[sweet summit]

id run alacrity

not a big fan of iqd

so im biased

[strong forum]

Alacrity

[wanton condor]

I like IQD if you're willing to play around it, but it's not particularly easy or useful to do so as a tank imo

[flint tiger]

gotcha

and then would you both take a 226 weapon, even though secondaries are gross over gloves, where secondaries are better?

weapon: 220-226; from haste/vers to crit/mastery
gloves: 220-226; from haste/vers to crit/haste

wish i was just good enough to get 2K yolo pugging in 2s to just upgrade pvp weapon to 226 lol

[strong forum]

Yes weapon

[random oasis]

guys is there some stonks for 9.1 for prot that im not aware of?

someone mentioned something about prot probably being meta next patch in a key I did?

[chilly brook]

No

WaRrIoR jUsT sCaLeS hArDeR tHaN aNyOnE eLsE

[ionic fern]

Does it really matter if it's "Meta" or not?

[chilly brook]

^

[plush tendon]

Yea, we're here for stonks

[flint tiger]

if you're a fotm player, absolutely

[plush tendon]

not for metas

[flint tiger]

lolol

we here pride ourselves on the warrior for life mentality

[ionic fern]

Jeah..we can see how good the meta is for like 95% of the population..
Re-rolling the fotm DPS and then doing like 4-5k overall

[chilly brook]

Everyone always looking for buffs instead of looking for what they can do to actually be successful

[flint tiger]

idk how people can tolerate being fotm, constantly having to change whenever any new patch note comes out

and then stressing if you're spending time only to get nerfed

wild to me

[ionic fern]

Should just contact one of the world first m+ teams and ask them
"Hey guys, can you play the least fotm classes available for your roles for a month and see how high you can get?"

I can almost guarantee that it will be 3k+

[flint tiger]

forever the struggle

people play the game, see they're not able to do _____ thing

they look to the top players and what they're doing

[still pagoda]

[flint tiger]

"oh, that's why i can't succeed. I must be ____ also"

[still pagoda]

you either play well or no "meta" class will save your ass

[plush tendon]

or else youll join the ranks of all the new VDHs who cant press demon spikes

[flint tiger]

lmao

"i pulled all the mobs i see Nerftank pull at the same time, why am I dead"?

[plush tendon]

Basically, but Nerf and his crew are quite meticulous in how they pull and everything is planned

you cant just copy that without understanding it

[flint tiger]

on another note, do you guys think they'll nerf the cardboard assassin belt attachment? Only reason i think they might hold off on it, is i'm not sure how groups would be able to do some high key pulls without it, given how hard shit hits on fort weeks

[plush tendon]

same goes for their comp

I swear to god Druids 'take trees' but use them on pull and not when its actually needed

[flint tiger]

right now, esp. in pugging keys where you can't guarantee "optimal" group comps. I'm noticing i'm wishing i was engineering for their utility crap.

[plush tendon]

I recently swapped; Ill be leveling it up soon

[flint tiger]

like the rez/bres and shit

but with cardboard it feels even worse that i'm not, but I love being a blacksmith and enchanter (shit was expensive to level)

[warped mulch]

The good news is if people are being really anal about the meta, they probably aren’t pools you want to play with anyway so they doing you a favor really

[sick sentinel]

rez is nice

[flint tiger]

feel bad just throwing enchanting away (will always keep BS, the nostalgia for lionheart is too stronk)

[sick sentinel]

if my group mates could do mechanics it would be useless though

[flint tiger]

is it hard to use the brez item while tanking?

[sick sentinel]

i was told you can't block or parry

its nice to have if healer dies or something at the end of a pull and youc an save a brez from dk or lock

[chilly brook]

It prevents you from potting so I doubt it

[flint tiger]

oh, it shares CD with pot?

[chilly brook]

From my understanding yes

[flint tiger]

woah, didn't know that at all. makes me more confident that it wouldn't just get nerfed...

[solemn magnet]

FotM is like FotHalf A Year. So switching isn't really an issue

[flint tiger]

remember when people played games for fun?

[solemn magnet]

How do you know they aren't having fun?

[flint tiger]

good point

wrong of me to assume when the qq train rolls in for changes people aren't having fun lolol

[solemn magnet]

Wut

[still pagoda]

i'm playing whatever i want

holy pala is fun to me

don't care if it is meta

[coral kayak]

Tbh im a fotm player because i play solo and i wanna get invited

[still pagoda]

simple advice: Persevere, get enough rio to pug higher keys and slowly assemble a good group to forget about that

[chilly portal]

Hopefully quick question on reprisal legendary. Right now I've just been using it mostly as filler for when I'm short a shield block charge or if I'm taking very little damage use it to get a revenge proc/extra rage to get a little extra dps. Is that all there is to it or is there a way to use it more strategically.

If anything I prioritize charging/intervening over using my last shield block charge just in case I want to use that for an emergency. I'm on the right track?

[modern brook]

Yah u use it to get value out of the things it gives

Whether that's more sb uptime or more damage is situation dependent

[silk niche]

Literally just logged in here to ask the same question as @chilly portal

[chilly portal]

Cool. Just a much more active leggo than what I'm use to on pally. Pally tank leggos are very passive and just improve what you're already doing.

[dry kite]

uhhh so i just finished upper reaches floor 6 in twisted corridors and no reprisal drop?

da fuk

[silk niche]

You have to make the first floor upper reaches

[dry kite]

it was

[silk niche]

keep exiting/entering until you see uper reachers in the map?

is it level 3

?

Layer 3*(

[dry kite]

... no does it have to be

[silk niche]

Yes

[dry kite]

ffffffffffffff

thanks

[flint tiger]

@chilly portal I think when you first pull, you want to charge and use a charge of SB so the CD start rolling, but then yes you weave intervene/charge to maximize SB uptime and make sure you don't stay at 2 stacks of SB's cast itself so you're not wasting CD recharge.

[chilly portal]

Yeah that make sense.

[flint tiger]

i haven't tried torghast as prot yet, anyone know if it's easy enough that you can just skip straight to bosses to finish? or do you still need powers?

[modern brook]

depends on gear

i havent cleared a toghast floor since february on any of my characters

[chilly portal]

I usually get some powers. Otherwise it will be slow as fuck. But usually by the end of floor 2 I feel confident running straight to bosses.

[modern brook]

just wadlde to boss and kill do it again on the next floor

[graceful goblet]

Hoping to have Vault choice advice for tanking m+ on Kagarn-Arthas US! My equipped chest and trinkets are all 213:
Chest Rampaging Giant's chestplate (42 crit 91 vers)
Anima field emitter (i have a second one with + avoidance i can spend valor to get it 213)
And the infamous Blood-spattered Scale that I'm definitely keeping

With the screenshot of 2 choices, should I be going with the 226 Viscera of coalesced hatred, or go with the 226 chestpiece of otherworldy influence?

[mighty valley]

definitely 213 -> 226 chest

[modern brook]

you take 13 ilvl upgrade on chest every day

[mighty valley]

viscera isn't great

it's even a big haste one!

[flint tiger]

definitely chest

i have viscera, only cause i got screwed in vault one week

it does barely any damage or healing

[graceful goblet]

awesome thanks, i wasnt sure how good the viscera trinket is being

[flint tiger]

damage for viscera in a 16 DOS during push week

healing for viscera in a 16 DOS during push week

for some benchmarks/reference at how meh it is lol

disclaimer: the phial is also with the pelagos trait for 35% extra healing, but I can't see how many times i actually "used" phial. I remember not very often.

[graceful goblet]

oh lol i was pretty far off thinking it would be an interesting choice

[flint tiger]

yeah, it's pretty weak unless you're below 50% consistently. but that's just scary state to stay in on big trash pulls lol

i think i used phial only 1 time though actually. shows 10 hits (10 seconds total duration)

so it barely did only 40K more healing in an entire dungeon over 1 phial lol

i'm jealous of your DOS trinket though, wish i had it lol

[chilly brook]

You a healer boi now?

[still pagoda]

yup

need a refreshment for the time being

[chilly brook]

👀

[still pagoda]

[balmy coral]

Are people realizing that prot warriors are one of the strongest tanks atm? Damage rivals prot pallies, physical mitigation is a tick below Guardian and they do have some utility for movement and party wide utility.

[still pagoda]

basically. Finding a raid spot as a tank may still be not feasible, + if i'm gonna tank, it's surely on warri, which i'm yet to move back to Kazzak

[balmy coral]

I'm consistently doing close to 4k in push weeks in M+ and I just got 218 today.

[mighty valley]

viscera sims OK in pure patchwerk, but it's very poor in most realistic situations

[balmy coral]

I feel bad for trying the prot pally discord, but the reality is, they take twice the damage as us for 10% more damage output.

[mighty valley]

twice the damage is a bit hyperbolic, and they do bring a bunch of useful tools

but i dunno, all tanks seem fine right now

[lavish oracle]

Prot pally can do a lot of its damage while kiting

I think the goal in high keys is to grab threat and just stay out of range

[still pagoda]

since SL launch tbf, but the problem is still in the community perception

[mighty valley]

yeah, not a lot we can do about that

other than make friends and ignore pug life

[lavish oracle]

Haven't had any issues with community perception since reprisal

Except some people in like...14s

[silk niche]

i did a 16 nw last week with a warrior tank it was pretty ez to heal as a MONK lol

[plush tendon]

As far as i know, healers love to heal Bears and Prot wars

and they all hate BDKs

: ^)

[silk niche]

Blood dks are the worst, and i even know BDKs kit - still horrible to play with unless you know the tank lol

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, the most common compliment I get is healers whispering me about how easy I am to heal

[still pagoda]

the problem of BDK is the same

[flint tiger]

think the kite meta is a common complaint for a lot of the tanks pushing high keys

basically tanks that can do solid damage with solid externals, but more importantly can kite real well is a bit favored

[silk niche]

in the 20s, surely, but in the 15-17 range i havent seen a single tank kite anything that didnt just run with the back to the mobs and get owned worse than if they didnt kite... and most people arent pushing 20s soOoOo

[plush tendon]

makes me sad; love my BDK, but ever since they decided tanks cant be self sufficient, theyve suffered

still great raid tank though

[lavish oracle]

My brain cannot interpret what you just said

[still pagoda]

the problem of community perception on the levels below where tank choice actually matters

that's the only problem

[short kiln]

Korayn or Niya for M+ generally?

[still pagoda]

if you don't know how to play BDK, it's your own problem and not that of a spec

[solemn current]

It's amazing how often I have to correct prot warriors from turning their back. It's a forgotten mechanic that's never mentioned so new players don't consider it. Meanwhile some people think Prot warriors can get squashed when in reality they just don't know to face the right way.

[plush tendon]

well, I cant compare my Prot War to my BDK at this point in time

I do more damage on War and feel tankier

My DK is relegated to weekly 17s and raid ATM

[still pagoda]

turning back as a tank

nuff said

[coral kayak]

Whats the approx CD on shield wall with anger management ?

[reef knot]

Trinket question for a 212 Prot War - 190 Beating Abomination Core or 226 Bladedancer's Armor Kit? The Abom core does bonkers healing so wanted some opinions.

[sweet summit]

~2 min

[coral kayak]

Ty

[sweet summit]

abom core

[reef knot]

ty!

[sick sentinel]

Stupid question from new/returning prot for next week. Necrotic affects IP, right? 😄

[sweet summit]

yes it does

[inland raft]

F this week

[solemn magnet]

Korayn first strike

[solemn current]

Outside of something like masks in DoS, are there good times to use intimidating shout in a way that won't cause the mobs to run off and aggro everything?

[inland raft]

Immediately follow with a tclap or something, its useful as a stopcasy

[solemn current]

TC will break the fear immediately?

[plush tendon]

Pretty much

[solemn current]

Word. I've honestly been scared shitless to even test it much in keys because of the potential to aggro but I'll give that a try. In that case as Fury would whirlwind cancel it out the same way?

[solemn magnet]

It should

[solemn current]

Nice. I'll give it a go thanks!

[astral scarab]

Does Reprisal leggo drop in SoA?

[lyric relic]

i feel like i get fair use out of most of the mythic fights with reprisal. i've got both at 235 -- are there any you guys feel the wall is definitely the go to move? all I can think of that might be better for me to swap to the wall are like huntsman (cause i tank huntsman the whole time), and council

@astral scarab it's torghast -- upper reaches (layer 3 or higher)

[lavish oracle]

The fear breaks very quickly so any time the mobs are being hit and you need to stop a cast

[astral scarab]

Yea it’s been 3 weeks and still no upper reaches and I don’t have a leggo yet

[lavish oracle]

Or for stuff like the foxes on the 2nd boss of mist

[chilly brook]

Life hack, twisting corridors layer 3. Enter and exit until you get the torghast wing that you need for the lego, clear the first 6 floors and you get your lego

And yes it works, I helped my cotank get his DH one this way on Saturday

[languid flower]

why layer 3?

[astral scarab]

I’m only 188 ilvl. Cleared layer 1 but it was a major struggle. How much more difficult is layer 2 and 3?

[solemn magnet]

It's a requirement for the leggo to drop

[chilly brook]

It has to be layer 3 or above for legos to drop

[languid flower]

ah. interesting

[chilly brook]

Not very, honestly torghast is easy as a prot warrior or warrior in general

[astral scarab]

I’ll give it a go see how it goes

4K soul ash and no leggo feels bad

[chilly brook]

Victory rush is your friend

So is execute and execute powers

[signal plover]

Layer 3 should be more than doable at 188

Just slow down a bit if you're dying

[flint tiger]

@lyric relic as pinned message by mwahi says, reprisal can be good (even better for dps) in raid if a boss fight allows for the movement needed. The wall in general will be "better" as a simple generic rule for which legendary is good in which setting given it's simplicity and non-reliance with having to move around. Also, typically don't have to deal with 100% SB uptime issues in raid since you have a co-tank that typically requires tank swaps anyway.

[rugged sable]

Question, I have played Druid, Monk and DH to +15 key level and the playstyle feels very fluid. However with Prot Warrior I feel there is a lot of dead space where I am sitting there waiting for a proc or something to do. Is this just how warrior is? (I don't have Reprisal Leggo). I want to build more of an offensive Prot Warrior cause I will max out at 14's.

[ionic fern]

I rarely have any free globals. 👀

[signal plover]

Spend more on revenge

[flint tiger]

^, esp. when you get reprisal leggo

[rugged sable]

Okay, so you can revenge even on non-procs.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

And you should.

WHy wouldn't you?

It's the majority of your damage.

[rugged sable]

I think I was more just spamming it while leveling, so I tried to play conservatively and keep above 50% rage.

Revenge probably big help with threat Generation too, as that got dicey when I pulled back from spamming it

[signal plover]

Rage flows pretty well once you have decent haste. The only real threshold to worry about is having the 30 for shield block when you need it

[rugged sable]

Thanks, part two. Offensive prot warrior would prefer Reprisal or Seismic Reverb? Or is that a playstyle thing where you either charging all over or just facing it head on.

[signal plover]

Prolly just do seismic since you said you only wanted to do 14s

[ionic fern]

Talking purely offensive - Seismic.

[plush tendon]

Reprisal is the way to go; Seismic Reverb is for people who want to blast through 'trivial' content and do big damage

but Reprisal is just good all around

[signal plover]

Reprisal will make you rly impressive to the gurl that heals your keys and then eventually you can get married

[short kiln]

LMAO

[plush tendon]

and then you break her heart when you swap to Seismic, but then all the DPS know you have a big dick

[signal plover]

Yeah you could say seismic is the bi-curious choice

[supple lily]

so you have 3 homies instead of 1 gal

seems legit

[rugged sable]

I have 2 homies atm, so maybe 2 > 1. Since I have known them since kindergarten lol

[flint tiger]

I'm trying to decide if I wanna give mythic raiding a chance and make the wall, or have fun with seismic lol

[signal plover]

Technically you could do both with reprisal

[plush tendon]

can someone get CE without using a lego for us 😄

that would be great

and kind of funny

[flint tiger]

That's what I figured, but idk how many boss fights are super dependent on not running around or something. Assuming it's not, I'd Friday getting the wall lol

[plush tendon]

The Wall is simple and effective in raid

Reprisal a little trickier to use in a lot of cases since moving the boss around is not ideal, but very doable

and Seismic is only good 3+ targets

[lyric relic]

yeah, i've seen the pin @flint tiger -- that's why I was looking to gain some insight on fellow double-legendary users. particularly what fights felt better for them, and sayin' which ones felt better for me for wall/reprisal

i've kinda just been doing reprisal til sludge mythic, though my wall is still sittin there on the shelf... prob will start usin the wall on council tho

[chilly brook]

What if she's already married?

[short kiln]

The Reprisal will get your that OPP

[chilly brook]

Honestly reprisal isn't that hard to play on sludgefist

[plush tendon]

Just cause theres a goalie, doesnt mean you cant score

[chilly brook]

I'd honestly use it when we reclear, I only stuck with The Wall because I already had a bunch of pulls with it and was too lazy to swap

[signal plover]

Then hope it's a loveless marriage

Idk I'm not your guidance counselor

[chilly brook]

F I was hoping you would be

[signal plover]

My advice is simple

Do more pull ups

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna start pvping and lifting more

So I can be budget bajheera but with hair

And horrible at pvp

[plush tendon]

is this where we say hes bill differently?

[chilly brook]

Bill dipperly*

[plush tendon]

^ yea, that

[haughty sleet]

Anyone go venth for mythic sire?

[signal plover]

If u do more pull ups you'll get better at pvp

[plush tendon]

or, better idea. Buy a boost to 2400

[plush tendon]

you can, you dont have to. Play the Cov you want 🙂

[vocal bison]

pull ups for rbgs, arenas is bench bruh

[nova rover]

I need suggestions,

I have a 226 helm but this one has vers, the one I have currently has mastery

my trinket is 213 glutonus spike

[valid zodiac]

I'd go trinket

[signal plover]

Trinket

[nova rover]

thanks guys

[modern brook]

Bald is power tbh

Thats why I'm garbage rn

Hairs too long

Call me Nosmas

[ionic fern]

This.

[chilly brook]

Bruh have you never heard of Samson?

[coral kayak]

Im seeing people sayin that prot warr scales better later, can anyone tell me how

[chilly brook]

That's a meme

[short kiln]

careful... someone's gonna light you up for that one

[chilly brook]

Literally we no longer live in Cata

[coral kayak]

Oh lol

[chilly brook]

Cuz post cata is kinda when that died

Everyone still somehow thinks we scale super hard

[stark sage]

rage and gear work differently nowadays

[chilly brook]

Although it's not entirely inaccurate with the vanguard change

Since our armor is gonna balloon

[stark sage]

we still scale, but its more normalized across specs
so there's no special spec that's "in it for the long haul" everyone kinda just hopes for good tuning

[chilly brook]

But that's about it

[coral kayak]

Makes sense, thanks all

[wanton condor]

scaling is fake

[chilly brook]

K value basically guarantees that we can't scale

[modern brook]

no never; why?

[wanton condor]

99% of all power changes between tiers is going to come from some combination of buffs, nerfs, and encounter design

or other backend changes

[plush tendon]

plus bonus power blizz gives us

[wanton condor]

right

[chilly brook]

Samson was like uber stronk until he let a girl cut his hair and then he lost all his strength

[wanton condor]

substat stuff doesn't really matter that much

[modern brook]

no way sounds like a good story

[stark sage]

if you count borrowed power as scaling, there's an argument to be made there
But baseline specs scaling is not consequential enough to overcome stuff like retuning, borrowed power, encounter design etc

[chilly brook]

Who's nosmas bro

Is that Bill Dipperly?

I seriously need outside emotes

[modern brook]

Is that like in the bible or something?

[chilly brook]

So I can sell this harder

I'm trolling your troll

But no kappa

[modern brook]

this sounds like a classic wrong to meme

[chilly brook]

So I can't sell it

[stark sage]

just use 🙃

[chilly brook]

Oof you right

[analog swift]

kinda late to the party i feel like everyone who throws the word "Scaling" around is just trying to sound smart

there is maybe an argument that warrior "scales" well because the class is very block = unkillable, not block = kill and more unkillable is better than slightly more healing or something from a dk. Even then that's super weak. Ask most people who claim a class scales well why they think it scales well and they'll fuddle around the point

[modern brook]

thats a lot of "scales" 🤔

[plush tendon]

Well everything scales, but certain classes do 'scale' better then others. But scaling wont be the defining factor whether a spec is strong or not

[patent osprey]

My weight scales with how well prot warrior is doing. I get fatter the more meta I am, cause I have to do more wow m+.

[wanton condor]

the actual argument for warrior scaling is that AM increases overall time spent in Avatar as haste increases so it's kind of a double dip IMO

but it's not something worth caring that much about

[patent osprey]

oh... were talking about that scaling... nvm

[plush tendon]

thats what happens when you reach 3k IO

[analog swift]

big boi

[sweet summit]

lmao

[plush tendon]

it has to go somewhere

[wanton condor]

3k on the scales and on the rio

[analog swift]

but yeah scaling or not, that's not going to compare to warriors being able to block ranged attacks, a CDR or shield block or x3 bom (rip)

[signal plover]

io is just: weight in lbs *10

Scaling arguments are bullshit because content now scales alongside us in every patch

[honest acorn]

probably a weird af question but is signet a good/usable dps legendary for prot? lol

[signal plover]

The main thing that changes is incremental gains in borrowed power

[modern brook]

no

[signal plover]

Only reason to use signet is when you're asked to switch to tank from dps and you don't have ash for reprisal or wall.

[chilly brook]

Honestly the biggest thing we should be caring about rn in terms of scaling is our armor lol

Vanguard has the potential to become really dumb

[modern brook]

bro we're already there

i replied to the wrong one, meant to be re: become really dumb

[chilly brook]

Yea, just doing torghast and bumping a few strength gains you hit over 60% just from armor

Its fuckin hilarious

[wanton condor]

tru

[sick sentinel]

Which would you say is worse, being kyrian as a dps warrior or being venthyr as a prot warrior. I main prot but I might need to make a dps set soon.

[lyric relic]

depends, do you mostly care about raid or m+?

[sick sentinel]

I would say raid.

[wanton condor]

for raid you can do it covenantless

as prot

totally fine

might even be max dps as venthyr

m+ it sucks and I hate it but for raid you're more than fine

[chilly brook]

It's worse being dps as Kyrian unless you're doing pvp

[modern brook]

m+ condemn is stonks tbh

[fierce field]

daddy draven not terribad in raid situations either, with more frequent standing in place if you're looking at the defensive aspect.

[chilly brook]

Eh

Hes kinda bad

[plush tendon]

My boi draven is lackluster

Take Nadjia

😦

[chilly brook]

Draven isn't useful unless you're danger of dying anyways

Aka sub 30%

Nadjia is the play period

[plush tendon]

Sub 40% is when service and stone kicks in

[chilly brook]

Yea that

[fierce field]

just meant if you have to split soulbinds for dps vs tank

[wanton condor]

gotta go fast

[blazing condor]

crazy how pug life can either hold you for two weeks or ascend you in a night

got like +200 rio in a few hours

[vocal bison]

guys, lfr might be my new favorite thing

first time i did it gearing up my vengeance, i was literally crying tears of laughter watching everyone run around with their hair on fire trying to do shriekwing during intermission

[coral kayak]

Just got my warr to 50, i play solo should i go kyrian ?

[blazing condor]

Kyrian is a safe bet in m+ and raids. The phial is very helpful but also the spear is great as well. NF is a bit more Damage and also very viable but Kyrian is usually the go-to

[coral kayak]

Ok thanks

[fringe marten]

HMMM...not the phial of putrefaction I was hoping for; but a 226 overwhelming power crystal ain't the worst~~

[hollow sun]

any tips on how to group the first boss in theater? Its not really an issue but it drives me mad seeing them always running around

[sweet summit]

step 1) have aggro on all of them
step 2) make sure the fucker that TPs away gets kicked so he runs back to you
step 3) idk kill the boss or somehting

[hollow sun]

well yeah, but do you actively try to charge the dude that keeps teleporting away or you let dps do it

[sweet summit]

i play reprisal so i abuse any chance i can get to charge

[inland raft]

Ya charge int charge back can actually be nice there

[languid flower]

alternatively, kick the caster closest to you and charge to the one that TP'd.

[astral scarab]

omg, 2 hours of TC just to die on the last boss of floor 18 fml

[languid flower]

Yeah. TC is such an endurance battle

and then they give you the % damage debuff so you can't even take a break

I don't even think I ever bothered beating layer 8

[astral scarab]

so garbage they require leggo's behind L3. 185ilvl aint high enough

raging so hard right now

gonna eat food

later

[fringe marten]

Wow..sorry to hear it. I had one death in TC, in the wing where you just die to fire damage constantly. Had a floor with nearly nothing on it, and 2 hallways of fire traps...I go to leap, fire touches me..nothing to fight/heal up with..(even after consumables) then just died to DoT.

But I was well above 185; TC could actually be nasty at 185 towards the end.

[still pagoda]

nothing to rage over the choregast

it's boring

i had some fun killing normal torghast layer 8 bosses with infinite hammers of wrath as a pala today

but that's it

i don't think i will even bother with TC since basic torghast is boring by itself

making it longer won't help something that is broken by default

[past egret]

I was actually gonna ask for tips for TC 1-2 because I too want to get my Reprisal

Cleared layer 1 with much struggle

Are there any particular powers I’d try to focus on?

[sweet summit]

unless youre severely undergeared, go full damage

so get the execute/shield slam/avatar buffs and shit

and slap

[past egret]

187. Things went fine until past floor 15. I did get super unlucky with HP powers so I had none by the end, and the end boss was one who did nothing but spam an un reflectable 40k volley.

Hoping L2 goes better. I will try to get a bit more dps powers this time.

[safe thistle]

The barbarian build is cool too. The extra 2 leap + as much seismic as possible with the one that reduce leap cd by 10 sec with each victory rush

[fringe marten]

IMO only focus on single target dps skills.

You will be forced at some points to HAVE to pick aoe stuff as it will be the only 'good' choice sometimes. Like 50% clap/whirlwind damage..etc.

[safe thistle]

Don't be afraid to use it if your stuns are on cd you can use it too in NW to interrupt final bargain or the throw flesh.

[fringe marten]

But JUST the stat scaling from soul? whatever..that increases mainstat 10%..will make your AOE crush all the trash. Bigboy mobs are ALL that matter.

Bigdookie..think of intim shout as an aoe interrupt; or something that will halt mobs for a second so you can get away/kite..whatever. There's a LOT of places and reasons to use intim shout...hell sometimes for ONE interrupt.

and for torghast; TC specifically...don't overlook Pleonexian command. I would recommend getting a couple ranks of pleonexian command early on before it becomes any 'challenge' if you hit vic rush on CD (you're killing things CONSTANTLY) you will have unlimitronz amount of currency to buy out the vendors of ALL their powers/orbs every time you get to them.

IE a few ranks of pleonexian command = TONS of additional powers through the whole run.

in normal torghast; you only have 6 floors so you don't have time to build up the currency or sacrifice the powers for them.

What's absolutely bonkers is that after they did their balance'ish pass on torghast, we got even stronger? How's that possible?

I ask this seriously since I do not play other classes; Is there a class that's more powerful in torghast solo than prot warrior?

maybe prot paladin?

[signal plover]

Prot pally prolly

Vdh is also pretty damn strong

I think all tanks actually

Maybe not bdk

[rugged basin]

which trinket would be better to run on mythic sire betwen sanguine vintange(220) and blood-spattered scale(220)?

[fringe marten]

Because we get infinite healing due to vic rush...and every power is ? good..everything makes us stronger (minus...healing when you hit a new mob..FK that power)

we're still on mSLG..

so I'm not sure; I've heard mythic sire hits actually hard...so I'd lean on pure defense for progression..IE sanguine

[rugged basin]

yea sire hits me really fucking hard

[fringe marten]

Sanguine vintage is superior single target mitigation over time..and that's what you need on 'tough' raid fights is frequent chunks of mitigation for mechanics or to survive while healers are moving for mechanics.

[honest plinth]

vdh is very strong with

[past egret]

I used that build for TC1. Well, the powers forced me into it. The ancient rubble did do a huge chunk of my dmg even against bosses, but sadly everything of my kit outside of it was bad. Hopefully next run I get better powers.

[fringe marten]

Doesn't surprise me..every tank is god in torghast..but as far as 'ease' it's? DUMMY easy as prot war..you push W and fight whatever comes to you and nothing matters and you win.

[honest plinth]

what do you mean by easy? you press immo aura and run

is it easy?

[fringe marten]

yeah..not saying you're wrong I have no idea how vdh works in there; just know that it's absurdly easy for tanks and if anyone had it even easier.

The fact that some classes can still struggle unless they're incredibly geared or get certain powers? that's stupid

There is literally no better power in torghast for prot than Vicious culling blade; it's so dumb...the only thing that even TRIES to get close is Corruption Antennae.

Any power that boosts shield slam (damage or cd, and then eventually you get whirlwind when you shield slam..that overall combo is really strong)

[safe thistle]

Vdh is good just because off imo scaling well with the conduit and that power together.

[modern brook]

:morsecode: this just in, torgast is a joke

[fringe marten]

^^

It IS fun though..because we get to be OP af.

I broke TC up into a few nights randomly; the people that did bottom to top on day 1...ugh.. even easy; that's just too much time to be in torghast in 1 shot.

[plush tendon]

Whos ready for

[marble cipher]

Brewmaster is fairly broken in Torghast tbf

[fringe marten]

I guess it's ok that we finally have something we're good at..? Because ..ya' know...a decade of having almost no place in PVP outside of early vanilla/bc..kinda' sucks.

Wouldn't have bothered me until I HAD to do arena matches to get a neck essence in BFA.

[patent osprey]

Fun event ^.^

I already run full time with a assassination rogue so perfect 🙂

[plush tendon]

same 😄

Prot War, Disc Priest, Ass Rogue, Ele Shaman, Frost Mage

we ready

and flexing that Demo lock

[blazing condor]

Same as with pugging raids its crazy how easy it becomes to do higher keys once you "break through" the low rio barrier. A lot of struggles grinding around 17-18s and now doing 20s seem way easier because people are overall better

[flint tiger]

i hope the event gets huge amounts of attention

so this stupid mentality of no invite unless meta can start dying lol

would be nice to actually get to dps as war in pugs and get an invite, instead of an hour or longer minimum of rejections with a 1300 IO score

lol

[torn stump]

thats all dps

[blazing condor]

Had a 2,3k in my Top 21 who pulled crazy good dps

Too bad with didnt time it tho but

Still

I believe in you

[modern brook]

@sweet summit u wanted to see the vault right?

[craggy harness]

Do you at least get 750 Stygian for doing nada?

[lavish oracle]

I had a monk in a mists 19 who pulled almost 9k overall

It was nutty

[urban portal]

monk is gross

[warm remnant]

Currently doing TC floor 1 with no leggo and 149 iLvL... i apparently hated myself an hour or so ago

That said, could we just have the "shield slam casts WW" as a ... all the time thing please >.>

[timber nest]

how do people tank the 1st transition in mythic SLG?

do you swap in the middle?

or just have 1 tank do the entire thing

[sturdy sable]

Me and my cotank swap after I have 4 adds I take kal back after all but 1 dunk and I hold kal off the the side for wicky Bs while every is positioned in the doorway

We swap at 2 stacks I clear on first crystallize during intermission and first crystallize during grashaal phase

You don't need to swap one tank can hold the entire time but we felt it made wicky Bs easier to set up for the dps

[lavish oracle]

I don't know how much Ilvl matters in torg really

Solo cleared 8 on my like 170 pally

Pally might just be busted in torg, also

[bleak karma]

Arms is broken in TC. Can easily do 8th floor at like 180 ilvl

[heady pawn]

Hello, new prot warrior here, does necrolord have good value in raids now or is kyrian still top tier?

[urban portal]

it provides good value

[heady pawn]

Thank you

[vapid lynx]

gluttonous spike a decent trinket?

[dusky mica]

It does some damage, and some healing.

Not the best at either. It's good for popping jars in torghast.

[lyric cove]

do i have to do anything special to sim reprisal?

[signal plover]

0.2% SLG wipe

Kill me now

O wait no the boss did

[haughty sleet]

Rip

Slg is the only boss we didn’t have any sub 1% wipes on

[balmy coral]

Would you run pelagos with a 1 fury and 1 prot potency conduit or Kleia with a full prot build?

This is for M+, I am debating running pelagos with road of trials for raiding since i MS Fury

[flint tiger]

how's the tank trinket of sire?

for M+

[balmy coral]

Kleia is simming higher in raw damage

[plush tendon]

you could run something like this

[balmy coral]

That was what I was thinking

[plush tendon]

for fury, youd use double potency, whereas Prot you could opt for a finese or extra endurance

show of force is meh

[balmy coral]

Yea

I was thinking of Pelagos especially for this week of Necrotic

[plush tendon]

well Kleia this week is bae

but im NF so...

[balmy coral]

Kleia sims higher for prot dps weirdly enough

That 5% crit helps

[plush tendon]

Most run Pelagos

the 5% crit might be a simbait

but IDK

you can safley set up both a Prot build in Kleia and Pelagos and not screw up your fury build

no reason not to have both 🙂

[balmy coral]

I do that now

I may run pelagos this week for focus mantra tho

[plush tendon]

The Kleia bleed immunity is poggers though

like, in a M+ setting in a 5min window how many mobs do you realsitally kill?

[balmy coral]

Yea but I don't path that way tyically

[plush tendon]

Maybe 20 or less depending on dungeon

[balmy coral]

True

[plush tendon]

yea, youd lose potency

to take it

in which case, Id just run Pelagos unless you really want the immunity

personaly, i think its overrated

[balmy coral]

Kleia has been fine and yea I just realized sit's 1 second

it's*

[plush tendon]

so so, not particularly great

[flint tiger]

is it better than the alacrity pvp trinket at same ilvl, or 226 coalesced hatred?

cause those are my only "survivability" trinkets lol

that, or a 220 IQD

[plush tendon]

The only survive trinkets that most people use would be BSS or Alar. TBH, none of those trinkets are very appealing XD

I guess if you need defense, youd use vintage. If not, the Coalesced Hatred and IQD sounds ok..,

but it might be a sim yo self kind of answer

[flint tiger]

Gotcha, thanks.

For Kleia this week, would we run triple endurance to get the immunity on the phial? I'm assuming we always get the crit conduit effect instead of any of the others since they're kinda trash?

[final dome]

quick question: Does the Unbreakable Will lego apply to the whole raid party or just your 5 party members in the raid group?

[median tulip]

Depends. How much Haste and Versa do you currently have?

I'd go with the higher Haste one for tanking, myself. There's not a lot in it though, TBQH

[flint tiger]

higher vers would matter more if you're doing super high M+ keys with high bleed/magic damage, as vers is your only mitigation (outside of externals)

[jagged pier]

it makes a small difference survivability is still like 95% how your playing

probably more than that even in higher keys

[flint tiger]

right, but at the end of the day if you're out of tools only defense you really have is the vers, but we're talking like super high key where you're trying to min/max and shit. i'd also go higher haste one myself since i'm no MDI lord lol

i wish i had higher haste, but a lot of my gear is just 220ilvl from rival pvp

[jagged pier]

i mean plka is 4th top prot and hes gemmed haste and mastery

🤷

i dont think it really matters at all tbh

[flint tiger]

yes, but he's also mentioned what situations he would try to go more vers (if it mattered)

usually won't, unless there's loads of bleed or magic damage you can't consistently mitigate

but you are right, for all of us it really won't matter

[median tulip]

Mastery at high ILvl is really interesting because there's an exponential effect going on with both its effects. It's small in the current tier, but it'll get more significant I'm higher raid tiers/M+ seasons

[ionic fern]

Party.

[fluid compass]

Is there a reasonable break point for haste where vers becomes better for survivability?

[lofty widget]

short answer, no. longer answer, at some point having shield block/IP is not enough to survive so you will need some vers to stay alive even with correct play, however this doesnt happen until the 23/24 range (keys only)

[final dome]

thanks

[fluid compass]

Thanks

[ionic fern]

I really hope top pushers participate in that so people will finally open their eyes and understand that them not timing a +15 is not because they are not a VDH but because they are bad at the class or their teammates are horrible.

[jagged pier]

that actually looks pog

lets make a team

[ionic fern]

5 prot warriors.

Ok.

[jagged pier]

well 1 feral

i can play MW why not i have a 60 monk

[ionic fern]

We will all be Necrolord and run VR.

[jagged pier]

now that is a strat

[ionic fern]

And we will communicate who gets the killing blow on enemies so they can heal.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Wait, no , that defeates the purpose of VR

We won't communicate.

It's fine.

[jagged pier]

yes less communication the better

[ionic fern]

I'm actually leveling a MW right now also. 👀

Not like there's anything else going on.

😂

I have a bear that can be a feral tho.

[jagged pier]

i should probably lvl my chars as nothing to do

but i cant be bothered to do the maw intro

[ionic fern]

Wait, what.
You can get a solid team..
All rogue specs are open. Prot warrior/BRM are open..Disc is also open.

👀

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Fury is open also

What

[nova rover]

is the alar trinket bis now?

[ionic fern]

Isn't fury a beast atm?

@sweet summit explain

[jagged pier]

yes

[sweet summit]

fury owns

[ionic fern]

Or are you a Arms pleb?

[sweet summit]

ele owns

[jagged pier]

but its not run in the MDI meta

[sweet summit]

idk how they are on there

lazy writer probably

[ionic fern]

I guess just from class popularity in 20+ keys or something?

[jagged pier]

so this comp is gunna be BRM and 3 fury warriors

[ionic fern]

😂

NO.
Prot warr with MW healer + 3 fury warriors.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

As much warriors as possible.

[jagged pier]

sounds like a good comp to me

[ionic fern]

I wanna play fury but i can't get a weapon to drop. 😦

[jagged pier]

cant get my phial to drop

[supple fable]

i've been using a 220 / 207 one handers

from the drops i got while loot spec prot

[jagged pier]

i mean the difference is only like 2% and thats at 226 weps

from what @sweet summit said a while back

[supple fable]

it'll take two 216+ 2h weapons to unseat that, so i'll probably just be stuck with puny swords until 9.1

[sweet summit]

yep

[supple fable]

ye my point is more that if you got another 1h weapon to drop you'd probably be fine for fury

[lone turret]

I actually have a really tough vault choice, is there anything for tanks to sim survivability? Like healers qelive?

[jagged pier]

no

whats the choices?

[lone turret]

Sorry for shit qual

[sweet summit]

chest imo

[jagged pier]

☝️

[lone turret]

13 ilvls is nice

[still pagoda]

📈

[lone turret]

• i have pretty good trinkets

[still pagoda]

MW is fun

Was in BfA at least

Burns mana like crazy but gets the job done

[jagged pier]

well get gearing for the non-meta comp

[solid cairn]

220 wrist over 213with socket ?

[ionic fern]

2% with 2x1 handers and 2x2 handers?

I honestly forgot that you can do fury with 1 handers as well.
I got like 6 226 1 handers.

😂

[sweet summit]

2% in favour of double 2hander at equal item level

double 226 onehander is playable yep yep

[ionic fern]

What legendary for m+ tho?. 👀

Can i just rock Signet?

[sweet summit]

signet of tormented kings

[jagged pier]

signet

[sweet summit]

you rock signet everywhere

[ionic fern]

Can't wait to do less damage than as prot.

[strong forum]

Yo can't wait to open vault

Oh wait

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Diddn't you do a key? 👀

[jagged pier]

Nome doing keys LUL

[ionic fern]

I've been doing 1 key on all my chars for a while now.

[strong forum]

0 key Gang

[ionic fern]

"If the key you do is above +18 it counts as 5 keys, if above 20 it counts as 10 keys for your weekly vault".

PLease.

So i can do only 1-2 keys. 😦

[jagged pier]

ture

[strong forum]

Yeah I thought of that last night aswell

[jagged pier]

i agree with this

[strong forum]

Every individual key level above 15 adds +1 as counted key for vault

Then I'd maybe do stuff higher than 15

Or play at all

[median tulip]

Vault check: Slimy Consumptive Organ is bad, right?

[strong forum]

Very

[lucid pasture]

sanguine vintage thoughts for tanking m+?

[jagged pier]

pretty good

[sweet summit]

budget scale

[lucid pasture]

otherwise im going to use slg trink and phial or haste trink from pvp

kek

[jagged pier]

well its more healing as its 1 min cd but does not damage

and is a smaller shield

[lucid pasture]

hm

so quite usefull still

imma take it from the vault then, all other choices are shit

[ionic fern]

Just do 1 key so you don't have to decide.

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

do 0 to unlock infinite possibilities

[solid cairn]

Don't open it

[brittle owl]

ah yes

schrödinger's vault

[ionic fern]

😂

[median tulip]

One of the options in my vault was a DPS trinket, even though I opened it as Prot

[sweet summit]

some "dps trinkets" are also on prots loot table

[median tulip]

Yeah

The Spare Meat Hook is one of them

[lone turret]

ya i got one today

[median tulip]

annoying that my options were a DPS trinket, a bad trinket, and a Shield that's not an upgrade

[ionic fern]

Get that shield for mog.

[brittle owl]

tao of abortus : if a trinket is a dps increase, it is also a survivability increase

[median tulip]

Not when I'd have to drop either my 226 AFE or my 226 Scale it isn't

[blazing condor]

I know it doesnt really matter but do mastery have any advantages over crit when running reprisal with all the normal block uptime? or is crit block not affected in that way

[median tulip]

crit block chance is a % chance to turn any block into a crit block

so obviously more blocked hits = more crit blocks

[blazing condor]

Yeah thats what i thought, so in that case would more crit block have better use than parry?

the parry granted from crit

[median tulip]

There's honestly not a lot in that

[blazing condor]

nah i know it dont matter at all really

[median tulip]

Mastery does also improve your Ignore Pain though

[blazing condor]

im just curiuos

[median tulip]

(specifically, Mastery improves your Attack Power, which is what your IP amount is based on)

[strong forum]

I socketed and enchanted mastery to get more crit blocks

For example

Due to high block uptime and already high haste

So I'd rather get that 6% extra chance to crit block

[median tulip]

Mastery gets more value at higher item levels, because the things Mastery enhances are themselves heavily subject to ilvl and other secondary stats

[blazing condor]

i just feel like mastery would outweigh parry chance through crit when running with such high uptime on SB

[median tulip]

So you basically get an exponential function out of Mastery

[strong forum]

On average, probably, since you get more crit block chance per point from mastery than parry from crit

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

thanks

[lucid pasture]

raid 😦

[ionic fern]

Don't raid.

Easy.

[blazing condor]

no choices to be made if you dont play

[sand condor]

So mythic plus this week

[blazing condor]

this is a vault week

help ur guildies with ksm week

[sand condor]

Well my guild died

[blazing condor]

Well

[sand condor]

Well.

[blazing condor]

time to get boosting then

[empty spindle]

Bis enchant for raiding ? On one handed weapon

[still pagoda]

Any other days that are not the ones with the raid night are open

Unless you're in a typical RU 4 nights/week guild that can't even get CE

[strong forum]

Celestial for overall use
Sinful rev for more St dmg / parsing

[still pagoda]

Then you're fucked until you move from RU servers to EU

[empty spindle]

Thank you friends

[brittle owl]

isn't the correct word for that "blyat"

[still pagoda]

No

[brittle owl]

[lucid pasture]

kek imagine

my guild and i are on slg very not pog only 2 night/week tho

[still pagoda]

There are many ways you can put this in Russian, but not blyat

[strong forum]

Ъ

[still pagoda]

_ Ъ_

[golden basin]

I know this is completely subjective, but which covenant ability feels the best for you guys to press? 🙂

[sage nova]

I chose Nightfae for my prot warrior alt and can say the damage and the lockdown is so useful in mythic plus.

[strong forum]

I've never been anything but kyrian so, spear!

[sand condor]

nf is big blast

kyrian is smaller blast but more control

[valid zodiac]

226 Decanter,226Viscera,226 Weapon

• Equipped items (216 Scale and 210 Emitter), 220 weapon

What would you guys take

[strong forum]

Weapon

[vapid tide]

Got the 226 bloodscale or whatever its called in my vault. Gotta take that right? The other option is a 216 wepon

[spiral void]

I always get a little confused when picking GV items. I try to aim for highest Ilvl upgrade - this week my choice is 226 Sinsmasher (would replace 200 weap) or 226 shoulders, the unyielding combatant's so main stats (would replace 203). Any thoughts?

[spiral void]

Absolutely, it's amazing

[golden basin]

thanks for the advice on covs - I'm NF right now, still only level 57, but like it quite a bit so I'll probably stick with it for a while

was kind of tempted to try Necro because I like support abilities

[lime urchin]

Necrosimpin 😮

[granite atlas]

Sorry if its a dumb question, but is there new ptr changes? Didn't see anything on wowhead

[ionic fern]

Nothing for Warriors outside of the Covenant specific legendaries.

[strong forum]

The expansion of no changes meme continues even past bfa

[ionic fern]

BUT

NEW TORGHAST AND MAW STUFF

Super excited to never do them.

[lavish oracle]

Wonder if Limit'll run prot with the necro leggo in SoD

[jagged pier]

well as it doesnt increase the duration on others i doubt it

[lavish oracle]

It's almost worth running necro warrior for the buff on 2 people, on 3 its gotta be worth it

[jagged pier]

well no with 2 not really as compared to the other covenant u loose around 300 dps so it actually only like a 300 dps inscrease for the raid if they are used to u runinng a different covenant

and as its max is like 350 dps increase on a boomkin

its like ~ 700 - 300 in terms of dps gain

sure its more with 3

but running the leggo is kind of pointless if it doesnt increase the duration of the buff on others imo

[lavish oracle]

It's less of a personal dps loss with the leggo itself

[ionic fern]

Half the times the wrong person gets it.
The other half the time people don't have CD's ready for it.

😂

[jagged pier]

also what mwahi said

[lavish oracle]

I mean, it's Limit

[ionic fern]

But if they do end up using a prot warrior in a WF guild i wouldn't be surprised if they were NL.

[strong forum]

Probably

Since the WF tanks don't make the slightest mistakes and tank survival is never even a question

[jagged pier]

we will still be considered shit anyway

same as this tier

[ionic fern]

I hope so.

[strong forum]

Nerf and Andy are starting to advocate pwar

And playing them

[lavish oracle]

Oh, did Andy swap?

That's kinda big news

[inland raft]

Prot stonks are up

[ionic fern]

Who would have guessed that Prot is good.

[strong forum]

Definitely nobody saw it coming

[jagged pier]

dont be silly Mwahi we are trash been told all teir so far

[inland raft]

I got my warrior up a few weeks ago and now i barely can force myself to do my dh keys

[strong forum]

Pwar has potential to even be played for the great push event

[inland raft]

Prot just feels so much more like a tank

[strong forum]

Sooo. Yeah

Since you can't get cardboard assassin on tourney Realm 👀

[jagged pier]

👀

[inland raft]

Then when i do force myself to play vengeance the first couple pulls i have to relearn that im not a tank so much as a glorified dps who keeps aggro and run away like a bitch half the time

[lavish oracle]

Damn, I wanted to keep being secret OP

[granite atlas]

Slight propaganda, but guardian feels tanky too

[strong forum]

That's only allowed for guardian

[jagged pier]

Nome you joining the non meta push team?

[granite atlas]

wrong @ sorry

[strong forum]

Jakey the only thing I'm joining is the offline squad

[jagged pier]

XD

[lavish oracle]

This week for sure

[jagged pier]

i dont mind this week

🤷

but then again i dont really mind any week

they are all SHIT

[strong forum]

Be like me

Mind every week

[crisp dragon]

so pissed about the normal m+ teams

[modern brook]

That's me now

[crisp dragon]

Bdudu and fmage being so dang good

[lavish oracle]

I need an excuse to log off for a week and do other shit

[ionic fern]

I'll be happy once i get the control of my own survivability back to myself.

😦

[crisp dragon]

And if you dont have a VDH with them for magic debuff, then what are u even doing,

[jagged pier]

LUL we lost that a long time ago aint coming back

[lavish oracle]

I kinda like relying on my healer but also I have a lot of healer friends

[strong forum]

Tank surv left with Matzen

[ionic fern]

You're more like relying on your DPS'ers.

😂

[lavish oracle]

Haven't had issues with people kicking in 18-19 pugs

[ionic fern]

I got tons of issues like that in that key level in pugs.

[jagged pier]

same

[lavish oracle]

Mostly I've had issues with them not doing very much damage, haha

[jagged pier]

also true

[lavish oracle]

But as long as we don't die, you can skate by on pretty low damage

[plush tendon]

On the lists of classes, I was told It was based on the bottom half of classes played

super surprised to see Arms not there but Fury there

[modern brook]

Fury is for dorks

[plush tendon]

Fury is objectively a better M+ spec

[modern brook]

No argument

It's also a dork spec

[ionic fern]

I'm just playing Fury cause Arms feels so boring to play.

😦

[modern brook]

Seee mwahi plays it :^)

[plush tendon]

and Ele shaman stonks havnt reached the moon yet

so they still there

[lavish oracle]

I play fury because it's super brain-off

[ionic fern]

Now you made me feel bad cause i suck at fury.

[jagged pier]

ele is 📈

[modern brook]

Being bad at fury makes you bad at being a dork so it's technically a good thing

Even if being bad at fury is physically impossible

[inland raft]

Im a shit fury too

[lavish oracle]

I kinda suck at fury ST

[jagged pier]

u just press the flashy button for fury dont u?

[ionic fern]

Half the time i forget about Whirlwind.

[plush tendon]

something like that

[plush tendon]

thats the hardest part not going to lie

[jagged pier]

F

[inland raft]

Or maybe fury just bad st, i dont play it in m+ only in pug raids when they already have a tank, but got my cheat trinket so dont gotta play that spec anymore

[modern brook]

Bro that's the only part what do you mean

:(

[plush tendon]

Ill stick to my Unholy DK when I have to DPS though : ^)

[inland raft]

Bur i feel like im a wet noodle when i play fury

[lavish oracle]

I'm kyrian so I'm doomed to do bad ST damage

[plush tendon]

meh not really

Fury ST is not great; niche is that cleave damage

consistent 5 target cleave

[inland raft]

Id try it out in m+ but then im not playing prot so what am i doing?

[plush tendon]

also, they are pretty durable

[inland raft]

My only frame of reference is my st so i feel like im a shit fury

[lavish oracle]

As long as my ST parses are blue I'm feeling alright

[honest plinth]

Finally got 226 shield on my warrior

[sick sentinel]

Pog you

[strong forum]

It's impostor plka!

[signal plover]

Fake pika!

Fika!!!

[remote dawn]

question guys: in my vault i have neck: 220ilvl Crit 15% haste 21% versa 13% and new 226ilvl Crit 19% haste 16% versa 14% whats better? 5%haste is so much

[frail wyvern]

Stick with the haste

[languid flower]

What's your haste at now, balrogs/

[remote dawn]

21% and with the 226illvl 16%

but crit go from 15& to 19%

[sand condor]

yes

[unkempt fox]

hey guys is there anything worth going for after wall/TL/reprisal/seismic/leaper? got them all thinking if i should retire torghast

[ionic fern]

Retire torghast and never look back.

I retired it after i got 190 of TL/Wall/Reprisal/Seismic.

[blazing condor]

boreghast

[unkempt fox]

oh no there is an achiev for 250k phantasma

here we go again

150k atm

[ionic fern]

Mad man.

[violet drum]

Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to see the total damage transferred through intervene in warcraft logs?

[strong forum]

Na i don't think so

You could filter dmg events happening during Intervene

And then maybe see smth there

[modern brook]

idk if that info is really meaningful anyways tbh

[violet drum]

well not rly, just wanted to check how much dmg intervene was transfering in stone legions mythic, especially on goliath's feast

[strong forum]

Around 80% of every cast if you're quick!

[cold flame]

well

you'll be the one taking the damage from ravenous feast

so just see how much damage is being done to you

and if you sort it by your damage taken and show graph to only ravenous feast, you can just highlight each instanc

and see how much damage you transferred

given, you have more damage mitigation than whoever takes the feast

[violet drum]

that's what's wierd, it doesn't show dmg taken from feast, it might be just considering as melee

[cold flame]

what really

[main lance]

is there a preferred weapon for the heroic 220 nathria weapon? Axe or sword?

[cold flame]

1s lemme check

whatever gives haste vers

haste>vers

is it ravenous swipe?

[violet drum]

ravenous feast

[cold flame]

hmm

i'm only seeing ravenous swipe in logs

[violet drum]

feast cant happen on tanks, its dps/healer only mechanic, I just intervene the dmg

but ye was having a hard time finding info as well

[cold flame]

if i go to a few prog pulls which i tanked slg, it shows no damage taken throughout 38 wipes from ravenous feast

maybe ravenous feast is the cast, but ravenous swipe is the damage instances

[violet drum]

ah I see, Ill check it later to see if that makes sense, thanks

[glacial swift]

Reprisal or The Wall for Denathrius?

[signal plover]

I'm planning on wall and bolster time

Sire is Beeg slappa

[tame jasper]

What's your preferred order of the last 3 mobs in SoA before Devos? I normally go from left (spear) to right (void zone guy).

[sweet summit]

middle left right

[tame jasper]

to have more space for the spears?

[sweet summit]

i guess?

middle guy also does nothing

its also to have less spears

cos if u kill spear man first

2nd guy also gets spears

[fierce field]

mid/left/right... the effect of the right one isn't an 'avoidable' really is it?

[sweet summit]

but if u kill middle guy first he doesnt have spears

[tame jasper]

imo its easy to avoid them, but yeah many dds complain about them ^^

[sweet summit]

well yeah

but fucking hell they are annoying to deal with

[tame jasper]

at least in my guild, but I think the cause for that is the same that back then when we were raiding that the room of shriekwing was full of blood every week, even after sire kill 😄

[fierce field]

just think of it this way, spears mean more moving, means less time spending on dps

[sick sentinel]

The spears always pulse in the same direction, aren't they? So it's just a little repositioning after each throw. Not really a big deal.

[chilly brook]

No

I mean yes

But each spear isn't a carbon copy of the last

So where you're standing might not be safe after a new one drops

[plush tendon]

it always pulses in the same direction based upon a NESW with the butt of the spear pointing north

you can bait it a little bit I know, but it can be tricky

much easier if the whole group is range

[fierce field]

imagine convincing all my friends to go RDPS 🙂

[autumn pendant]

just disarm him

[sweet summit]

what

disarm hack?

[plush tendon]

Its hard, but doable. It takes a couple of tiers to oppress all the melee dps to become range

[vagrant arrow]

how we cant Sreflect necrotic wake second boss bolts yikes

[sweet summit]

blizzard hates us

[vagrant arrow]

they forgot to code it %100 sure

its shadow damage bolt so should be reflectable for sure

[autumn pendant]

there are some odd spells like that

like those whirlies in MAw or in torghast

not sure if intentional or just screwed

[sweet summit]

you cant use logic with spell reflect

[vagrant arrow]

1 employee doing it all random i belive 🙂

but dungeons are important specs gotta use their advantages

second boss reflect could be huge in tyra weeks

[plush tendon]

Spell Reflect Stigma of Pride last boss in HoA please

[sweet summit]

i have this fever dream that it worked on beta

[plush tendon]

It probably did

[sweet summit]

but idk if i was playing bdk and AMSing it

[plush tendon]

BDK can AMS it, but we cant spell reflect

-_-

[sweet summit]

yeah exactly

[vagrant arrow]

also that

indeed

is it magic dmg

[plush tendon]

at least we can spell reflect last boss ToP

[sweet summit]

yes

[plush tendon]

reaping scythe

[sick sentinel]

What would be the best leggo to bring for parsing in raid?

[sweet summit]

reprisal/the wall

[sick sentinel]

I was thinking signet

[patent osprey]

I heard there was an imposter here :O anyone see them vent?

[sweet summit]

id just check wcl to see what people are using

[sick sentinel]

Well

There using the wall, rep. And signet

Imma just sim them I suppose

[plush tendon]

yea, Twinblade

[strong forum]

Twinblade sus, he likes to hide in #fury

[sweet summit]

and how do you know, Big Guy? hmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????

checkmate 😎

[strong forum]

Was on cams

[plush tendon]

I was at cams and I didnt see you

[strong forum]

That's cuz you were already dead, dummy

[coral kayak]

Can anyone tell me when i see a lot of people craft reprisal on boots even though legs provide more stats?

[plush tendon]

cause they have juiced legs

[strong forum]

Cuz they have access to slg (233) legs

[coral kayak]

Oh ok thanks

[plush tendon]

I mean, at the time I made my reprisal I had 226 legs, but 197 boots

so I made the boots; long term legs probably will end up better but it shouldnt make too much of a difference in the grand scheme of things

besides, I needed new shoes, and everyone knows that shoes are the most important fashion piece

[haughty sleet]

I regret not making reprisal boots

[sick sentinel]

Can't wait to see the day necrotic gets removed

even for boosting is aids this week

[languid flower]

Good thing I got my KSM last week

I also put reprisal on boots

I already had leaper boots, because I couldn't justify putting leaper on anything but shoes on principle. And I didn't want to have to hold onto 3 different pieces of side gear so I left the legs alone.

Sub-optimal for sure, but I'm bad so whatcha expect?

[north pecan]

So just did SoA last boss

Missed twice with waiting

[lime urchin]

Blame the healer

[north pecan]

Got hits by throwing fast

No i mean the hotfix for the boss