Fresh prot warrior (well, for shadowlands anyway), when taking Devastator (which is advised right?), do we end up with a fair amount of globals unused over a fight?
I've always used devastate as a filler (while waiting on revenge proc; ss proc; thunderclap), but with Devastator that trigger goes to auto attacks and it feels "strange" not having a filler to press.
Mind you, I've only just got my bfa char out of the maw intro and into my covenante, and am just doing my weakauras and talents by smashing dummies, no real content done yet.
#protection
marble cipher
jagged pier
just replace your devastate with ss as well and spam that in the downtime will catch the procs u get
marble cipher
yeah, was thinking of binding SS to the devastate keybind (with talent macro so it's automatically should I swap away from devastate), just felt a bit wrong 😄
thanks
jagged pier
u never take devastate, unfortunatly devastator is far ahead of the other talents
marble cipher
at this stage, punish or war machine are hardly ever taken then? (unless specific niche somewhere)
jagged pier
u dont take them ever
marble cipher
k
surreal sinew
made the switch to kyrian recently, are there times when you ever switch off from pelagos?
jagged pier
u can go kelia for necro weeks
and in raids she sims higher
for most fights
i would still take pela on sludge tho as u can use PV and ashen
wwhich is more damage imo as u spear every pillar and u get the ashen bost on the last one
surreal sinew
k was mainyl wondering if the crit might be better for padding on keys
but i guess not
thanks
jagged pier
might be not actually sure, but i usually run pelagos in dungeons double potency and mastery buff etc better for aoe content
and hes not bad
surreal sinew
yeah makes sense, i might try and do some sims, got reverb up to 225 and the huge numbers make want even bigger numbers ><
jagged pier
i mean u can pump with pela and seismic
still pagoda
sand condor
imagine this
i ask a group "please kick shadowcores, they're the onoy thing that kills me in this dungeon"
so the dk kicks
the mage kicks
and the boomie refuses to do anything
the healer is just dpsing
and im sitting there
interrupting, spell reflecting, and then another cast goes trough
meanwhile i dps above the boomie.
still pagoda
median tulip
bad players tend to be bad at all aspects of the game, not just one thing
still pagoda
Typical pugs
median tulip
If you check I bet you your boomie ate more than his fair share of unnecessary damage taken as well
sand condor
guess who flames me
and calls me bad
the healer.
because i didn't kite.
newsflash, the only things actually doing damage to me were the casts.
torpid cape
hi i'm new to tank, could someone tell me your main stats? Thank you
jagged pier
strength
sand condor
ooh
median tulip
hi i'm new to tank, could someone tell me your main stats? Thank you
iLvl above all else
Then Haste (to about 20%) and Versa are about equal
jagged pier
what?
median tulip
Mastery actually gets better as a stat at high ilvls
jagged pier
you want as much as u can get
where the fuck has this 20% come from
u want 39% unbuffed
after ilvl of course
about 20% is for paladins and SoTR
median tulip
haste whoring is a bit of a trap IMO. But it's your character, you do you
still pagoda
about 20% is for paladins and SoTR
And even they go overboard since it smoothes out rotation
torpid cape
but it would be haste /versa?
jagged pier
after ilvl
median tulip
but it would be haste /versa?
Yes. But ilvl first and foremost. None of the secondaries are bad
jagged pier
you only care about stats on gear once u have 2 pieces of armour the same ilvl
not before
still pagoda
but saying u aim for 20% haste on warrior is incorrect information
even holy pala wants haste after slamming everything into ilvl
gaunt dawn
we put the 20% number out there as people like goals
but the reality is that you just slam ilvl
median tulip
For a new Warrior, at low ilvl and making your first or second legendary (Reprisal or The Wall), what you need to know is that it should be Haste/Versa, and it should go on the slot with the highest item budget (The Wall on Shoulders, Reprisal on Legs)
That should not be taken as the complete answer to end all answers, but for newcomers to the class it is the correct course of action
ionic fern
This happens wayyyy too often.
sweet summit
hidden priest hack
main lance
had one try to mind control it 2 days ago as they didnt think mindsoothe was a spell
still pagoda
warm remnant
I've mind soothe'd things and had people ask "Wtf is that"
errant leaf
Is heavy repercution a thing in m+ ? I tried it coupled with reprisal and ended up with 85% uptime shield block. Felt pretty good
sweet summit
its not a thing, no
sick sentinel
In general what fights do you guys take The Wall over Reprisal in the raid?
jagged pier
none
jagged pier
Is heavy repercution a thing in m+ ? I tried it coupled with reprisal and ended ...
i mean u can get 85% without HR and just with reprisal
signal plover
All (cept M SLG)
jagged pier
im using it on M SLG
jagged pier
then why the execpt SLG then ?
signal plover
Cuz the question was what fights do u run wall over reprisal in raid
I run wall on all cept M SLG.
jagged pier
u run the wall on the others?
signal plover
Haven't recleared mythic in months
jagged pier
i mean i cant really speak only done sludge since the patch
but i used reprisal ther
maybe council
i wouldnt use it
sweet summit
you 100% play reprisal over wall on sludge, i have no idea about the other bosses 
jagged pier
council seems like a big no to me but the rest seem fine, and council just because i literally planted my feet and didnt move
but even then there are times to charge and intervene
strong forum
Council is literally the perfect reprisal fight, just like sludge is
jagged pier
so council u could
strong forum
So many billion options to charge on council
signal plover
Is reprisal optimized in sims atm?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
no its not u only charge at the start right?
strong forum
Ye
signal plover
That'd explain why wall sims higher
jagged pier
^^
sweet summit
charge weaving is fucked
so even if u force heroic_charge
you dont gain the reprisal benefits
jagged pier
im not gunna lie the dps increase from taking AM alone is enough
strong forum
I mean..
signal plover
Yeah I mean that makes sense
jagged pier
same tbh XD
signal plover
But yeah I was basically always on AM+wall except early prog
strong forum
It's actually so shameful
How many people play wall + bolster in raid
Still
On every single boss
jagged pier
ewwww
i member when i killed sludge and my rank was higher than sense's then he comes back with repirsal and fuks everyone over
strong forum
I don't get to parse on sludge
jagged pier
signal plover
Ah yes
jagged pier
i only did cause no one was running reprisal
signal plover
The soak of sadness
jagged pier
and u can scam the soaks
sweet summit
isnt that just the tank soak or
jagged pier
if u make half of him hit the pilla
signal plover
Although I think with the changes the soaks r chill af
strong forum
Yes erga
jagged pier
u can melee him as he goes like into the pilllar
strong forum
It's rng as fuck
Half the time you can attack him
Other half he's even outside of revenge range
jagged pier
thats why u use the soak time to demo
sweet summit
so wouldn't that be equal for all tanks or
strong forum
Yes but if you say, assign ranged to the tank soak, you can also just not soak as tank
And full blast
Ykno
sweet summit
:truetrue:
strong forum
thats why u use the soak time to demo
Soak time is now 70% of pillar time
sweet summit
be a real parse whore
strong forum
So yeah...
jagged pier
Soak time is now 70% of pillar time
F
strong forum
Since the 2nd boulders dropping takes fucking years
And yet people still miss those
jagged pier
strong forum
Like the boss is so unbelievably easy
But people decide its a good idea to be unable to not get bonked on the head or soak your assigned spot
So I played it save and just took the farthest possible soaks as tanks
Instead of trying to get a good parse
Tfw will never get a good sludge parse
still pagoda
jagged pier
TRUE
strong forum
Bro if donny is dead I'm uninstalling
sweet summit
how are you supposed to get full tmog set without reclearing?
jagged pier
hes already got it
jagged pier
i swear the lucky bastard
sweet summit
strong forum
HELMETS IN 2021
strong forum
F
jagged pier
F
sweet summit
same but traded away cos i'm a very kind person
strong forum
Legs I got twice
jagged pier
i actually picked the shoulders tmog from the vault over an upgrade
i have no regrets
strong forum
Same
sweet summit
didnt get the legs til 2nd slg kill :/
sweet summit
wth
strong forum
No clue but I atleast wanted to test it...
signal plover
Shoulders 3 times
Fuuuuckkkkk youuuuu buddddd
languid flower
I just got a 226 spike last night
trying to decide between 226 spike, 226 heart, and 216 scale
sweet summit
heart as in al'ar?
strong forum
Spike + scale
languid flower
I'm also really bad, so the al'ar is better for me than most tanks
sweet summit
same
signal plover
I run alar like all the time, but I'd run a scale over it if I had one.
A 226 spike is decent
I'm on the arms vault now tho praying for that phial for reclear memes
jagged pier
ive been trying to get phial so weeks
signal plover
Jakey did ya kill SLG yet?
jagged pier
no
maybe tonight
hopefully
we had new ppl in last night so was basically wasted night
signal plover
Pray for me Tuesday I pray for u tonite
jagged pier
haughty sleet
I too hope to kill it tonight
I’ve been running 226 phial and spike
Spike is okay
jagged pier
but we are at a point where if we get to final phase it dead probably
once or twice more
me and the other tank need like one more pull to practice cds adn stuff
ornate pier
Beware the upheaval !
signal plover
I'm anticipating a couple single % wipes cuz of tunneling.
ornate pier
Do you get people running arround or on you with the upheaval ? 😄
haughty sleet
Feel like the entire fight comes down to not messing up the first blade and soak in p3
signal plover
Ppl turn the turrets
Into*
I think I'ma just tell our priest to grip in one of our locks
Big greeder
jagged pier
because then it would be ez
strong forum
Why does the focus of the boss fight have to lie on adds dying in certain windows.
Like... How is that fun
Imagine bolstering the boss fight
That's what slg is
shell hill
should i get the chest for my leggo since its the most armor?
sweet summit
i dont know of a single good legendary power that goes on chest
the powers are tied to two/three specific armor slots btw
for example
shell hill
oh you're right, whats the best for reprisal then
sweet summit
"the wall" goes on shoulders>cloak and "reprisal" goes on legs>boots (boots>legs if u (can) get slg legs)
shell hill
been waiting 2 weeks for shattered halls to open , hope its next week 😦
strong forum
You can farm twisted corridors aswell
sweet summit
soon ™️
shell hill
am i supposed to get a quest for corridors? i've done all the torghast quests so far on my alt
dont see anything else i can do
short kiln
might have to go in and do another run to get an item drop from the 6th floor boss which starts the next one.
if you haven't rescued Baine, Jaina and Thrall then you aren't "done" the torghast quests yet @shell hill
shell hill
yeah, thanks. i thought they removed the timegating but i guess i still have to wait for the next part
sick sentinel
Isn't TC account wide, if we are talking alt here?
shell hill
its my alt and i guess not
floral pewter
IIRC, the torghast quests are still slightly timegated, but it's now in 2 parts instead of 8
so you can get the first four steps this week, and the other four next week
sick sentinel
Yeah there is some minor time gating, but I'm quite convinced that TC should be account wide unless there is some really early part tied to unlocking Torghast in general like the Runecarver or something required at the start.
toxic prairie
anybody think about the borrowed power we got with reprisal? Like, if I am not using it i feel like I am getting chunked. Where other tanks can run dps leggo (prot pally, guardian, brew)
haughty sleet
Before reprisal was a thing I thought we should get some shield block when charging
deep steppe
We were good before reprisal, we just didnt have a phat lego like some classes had.
floral pewter
I mean, people can and do run Seismic for DPS
sweet summit
reprisal is a dps lego if you think UFR is a dps lego for bears
deep steppe
Plus with reprisal we can change our talents to be more offensives
shell hill
yeah im 192 ilvl rn with no leggo because im waiting for reprisal, seems like im getting chunked pretty hard in anything higher than a 6 or 7
floral pewter
prot paladins can run Bulwark, but that's more because all of their leggos are shit defensively than because they don't need help defensively
shell hill
maybe i just suck
sweet summit
probably
a) not using SB enough
b) not using cooldowns
c) not pressing buttons
d) a combination of the above
floral pewter
if you run Bolster, your block rate overall shouldn't be that much worse than reprisal
sweet summit
its a couple % behind, like 5% i think?
floral pewter
if you have some logs, look at your % of blocked hits
sweet summit
something along those lines
sick sentinel
At that level reprisal won't be the thing that makes or breaks survivability @shell hill. It's not like you suddenly take no damage after you get it in comparison 🙂
floral pewter
Bolster gives 15s of shield block every 2 minutes
for comparison, if you charge 2/min and intervene 1/min with Reprisal, ie using it but not trying super hard to game it, you get 24s of uptime every 2 minutes
and meanwhile you have probably around 50 seconds of SB uptime from just casting it directly
shell hill
i think i'm using revenge too much out of habit, i guess i should only be using it when it procs bc i find myself rage straved alot. i am hitting my buttons trust me
deep steppe
Revenge is good
shell hill
but i cant help it sometimes
deep steppe
sweet summit
as long as you have enough rage to use SB, youre not using revenge too much
shell hill
i dont like sitting around waiting for abilities
but thats the meta i guess
when should i be using IP?
sweet summit
to avoid overcapping rage or as a defensive rage dump when taking unblockable damage/very heavy blockable damage
floral pewter
I know it doesn't help now, but Reprisal will give you more rage and also free revenges, so it'll fix that problem too :p
use IP when you know the healer needs help, to prepare for a telegraphed hit, or to paper over gaps in SB/cooldowns
chilly brook
anybody think about the borrowed power we got with reprisal? Like, if I am not u...
Kekw bro we weren't really less tanky before reprisal
In raid reprisal isn't necessary to be tanky
chilly brook
And for m+ we weren't dying if you played properly
lavish oracle
Does anyone know if you can double dip on the red slime haste buff in plaguefall with a necrolord?
chilly brook
so not completely wrong
Sure but if you're getting chunked when not running reprisal you're just playing improperly
chilly brook
Does anyone know if you can double dip on the red slime haste buff in plaguefall...
Iirc it goes away when it gets absorbed
By a necro
lavish oracle
It doesnt
inland raft
Tou used to be able to refresh it if timed it well but with the changes idk
lavish oracle
But we forgot to test last time we ran
Guess I'll trying pulling the slime up to glob's room just to see
sweet summit
oh you mean two people absorbing the same slime?
toxic prairie
probably allot of playign improperly on my part, i mained a guardian druid the past 10 ish years, much easier tanking style
shell hill
i'm always using SB , and IP when theres a big hit inc or weaving it in when SB is off CD along with my on uses, just feel like SB isnt up enough rn. i'm not trash i just feel like im missing out on a few key tips.
sweet summit
SB uptime without Bolster or Reprisal is definitely low, regardless of how you play
but if you add one of those, you should not have many issues regarding SB uptime
shell hill
i'll try out bolster, been using AM as of now. and to clarify i'm talking about M+ strictly. i have no issues raiding since i can save rage for my taunt swap
ty for the help
plush tendon
Next goal, become the top Prot War on your server 😄
jagged pier
would be nice to have a group tbh
plush tendon
I just dont have time to run enough keys during the week 😦
We have a 'group' and by group i mean I @ my guild chat saying 'looking for key gamers'
then say "not weekly 15s"
lavish oracle
oh you mean two people absorbing the same slime?
No, I meant if you leave the puddle plus have a necrolord with the buff
sweet summit
oh i was way off track then sorry 😂
lavish oracle
I'd imagine if you could get that to line up for 1st and 2nd boss they'd both melt
sweet summit
bring plagueborers onto 1st boss and it melts 👀
sweet summit
what
lavish oracle
why not both
plush tendon
I got to learn how to bring plagueborers to CN to help us kill SLG
that should do the trick
sweet summit
if you ever figure that out, please do tell me
lavish oracle
wasn't there a bug in Uldir where someone figured out how to bring NPCs into the raid
sweet summit
yeah
lavish oracle
and they used it to solo one of the bosses
sweet summit
rextroy soloed vectis irrc
plush tendon
Imagine if you could start a SD key, get a big buff and then summon those guys in
with the 50% more damage for two mins
sweet summit
don't you lose the buff when you exit the dungeon now?
lavish oracle
Think so
plush tendon
you lose the buff when you put the key
lavish oracle
does anyone have a link to the VoD of dorki and team's 25 SD?
balmy parcel
guys how do you make a shield wall weakaura than only shows when it's up?
meaning when it's reducing dmg then disappears
sweet summit
create from template -> buffs -> warrior -> shield wall -> show when active
or just go to wago.io and search for shield wall then import one you like
plush tendon
I sort of recommend looking at for something like Quazzi's buff bar so itll show any external, CD, and SB above your other weakauras https://quazii.com/warrior-ui-shadowlands-protection-fury-arms/ dont have to use his, but I found something like this to be super helpful
I dont use his, but they are free and lets people copy them so....
plush tendon
yea, most people have sort of a similar set up
but I aint a weakaura master nor do I want to spend the time making my own
balmy parcel
does it work without elvui?
plush tendon
fo sure
sweet summit
the weak auras yeah
lavish oracle
does the fury one have a WW tracker
still pagoda
i steal from wago and then tweak
lavish oracle
same
still pagoda
OK, i also took main class WA's from one of our old buddies in #ui-addons-manager
and started customising it into everything i want
plush tendon
yea, lots of weakaura groups you can import, then change to fit your personal preferance
but his I found were pretty good and EZ to find/download for any spec
signal plover
I make frum scratch
Very kleen
Cept IP track obvi
Maybe SB track too
Ok but the rest freshness
balmy parcel
that works great thanks
plush tendon
The only weakaura I have every made is a /say weakaura that calls people names if they emote me; in direct response to those who spit on me cause of my nam nam weakaura
plush tendon
eating nam nam uwu
lavish oracle
I find those hilarious
sweet summit
and i hope you slip on the last step of some stairs
sweet summit
no just like any version of that
plush tendon
to really embrace the UWU
lavish oracle
I can't imagine an entire raid with those, lmao
everyone before the pull "eating nam nam, thank you food chan UwU"
plush tendon
we also have a new one where if a cheat death procs we now say "oh no, ive passed away"
or my favorite on Necrotic weeks the "fuck this shit, im out" when stacks reach like 20
lavish oracle
The Quazii buff bar is actually pretty slick
plush tendon
when we kill SLG, we are all ready with ours 😄
sweet summit
but that's ok
signal plover
The uwu is spreading in my raid team. Am worry
signal plover
No no
I haven't pugged anything in like 3 years cuz of dis guild
I'd rather become a weeb than abandon ship
signal plover
Puwurevere
cinder storm
I think its too late for you
lavish oracle
Pawwevewe
plush tendon
its the price you pay
grizzled forge
We had a what are you doing step Goliath for SLG ravenous
blazing condor
Does tanking matter on Sludge as in main tank / off tank?
to my knowledge we take the same damage right?
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's the same damage as long as you're right on top of each other
young oasis
anyone tested Hymnal of the Path on SLG Mythic? You think it can be good there?
jagged pier
ummm well u want the tank that deals with magic damage to tank boss in phase 1 and 1st intermission
jagged pier
anyone tested Hymnal of the Path on SLG Mythic? You think it can be good there?
i wouldnt run hymnal in a raid
young oasis
i wouldnt run hymnal in a raid
Roger, mi armano
jagged pier
but its basically all magic bleed from that boss @blazing condor
young oasis
I got pretty much every trinket. Gonna run Stone Legion versatility shit and Blood Scale
lavish oracle
anyone have the Growl/Dorki vod for the 25 SD they did the other day?
trying to see if they're running a route that takes Cage buff + pride on the 2nd boss
Nerf and team's route kinda whiffs that cage from the 24 I found
languid flower
Next goal, become the top Prot War on your server 😄
I did that a while ago. Super low pop server
plush tendon
no thanks, i like being able to log in on patch days 🙂
blazing condor
that one patch day a year
plush tendon
WURF
naw, i like my server. As long as you got a guild its not like you notice the smaller player pool on it.
sweet summit
love mage pugs nice
lone turret
https://prnt.sc/11pmlum guys which one will make me the thiccest tank i can be
mighty egret
scale at 220
still pagoda
I'd rather become a weeb than abandon ship
what if you're both a weeb and don't pug
sweet summit
scale+vintage is probably better defensively if you can deal with double on-use
still pagoda
HELL, THAT'S PERFECT LIFE
sweet summit
nah
jagged pier
well if u arent doing like 24s the heart is pointless
jagged pier
and even then u run scale and heart
slow warren
what about slg for keys
amber herald
sanguine vintage is alright
deep steppe
chilly brook
where she skips a guessing game cast
No but how do I do this?
lofty widget
maybe your dps killed the last 10 % uber fast
lofty widget
can also happen if you push the boss too fast iirc
chilly brook
I need that
lofty widget
had it happen in an m0 tho, not 21
signal plover
where she skips a guessing game cast
Yeh, saw it last week in a 15
Pretty sure she missed the middle one
Could be first, I can't remember now
sweet summit
it happened once on first guessing game here in the 21, and second guessing game on a 17 tyrannical
i have no idea what causes this
signal plover
Yeah idk, maybe there's a threshold on the %hp-based trigger
rancid ember
Happened on last Mistcaller phase for me. No idea what caused it.
Def didn't burst the 10%
blazing condor
📉
jagged pier
where she skips a guessing game cast
yes it was pog
lofty widget
which comp did you run? maybe a dps player feigned/invised/shadowmelded at just the right time to make the boss "reset" or do some other funky stuff
blazing condor
The guessing game gets skipped if you push a certain percent during a cast (usually patty cake)
sweet summit
boomkin feral fire resto shaman prot warrior
blazing condor
and then interrupt it
sweet summit
horde so no meld
sweet summit
was during a dodge ball so what @blazing condor said makes sense i guess
but
we barely did damage
so idk
modern brook
why is your comp so fucking scuffed
sweet summit
idk man
modern brook
my guys got the adjectently good specs :/
blazing condor
@sweet summit someone in pikas pug talked aobut it on stream today
so it was something like that
but dont remember 100%
modern brook
why is your firemage named chilledout 😠
blazing condor
heal mage Pog
modern brook
Great mages are best healers now too :/
signal plover
I mean a fire mage named chilledout doing bad fire dmg makes sense
slow warren
mistcaller thing is to do with spell queuing
modern brook
Frost is kinda pog in Mists tbh
slow warren
seen it happen once
signal plover
Ice wizard is cool tbh
remote hawk
Finally did it bois !!! a BSS dropped and i got it ! only 25+ runs !
sweet summit
POG
modern brook
for the record i knew this first i just wanted to show the proof
rigid elm
If 9.1 soulbinds don't change too much, will Pelagos still be BiS for Kyrian in M+?
Would it be horrible to use Kelia if I'm uninterested in changing direction every ~minute in addition to collecting orbs?
jagged pier
mikianos
sweet summit
mikanikos might become the go to with his end shit
sweet summit
but we dont know for sure yet
modern brook
If nothing changes then our current best would still be best, yeah
BUt things are changing and we dont have the 🔮
jagged pier
but 40 second cd on spear with mik
modern brook
Bron is a chad bro
signal plover
Bron does less dmg than chilledout
signal plover
Lots of failures are doing their best fwiw
modern brook
im reporting this to blizzard
They're going to buff bron 8000% and ban you from the soulbind
rigid elm
What if I hate both of Mikanikos's tier 2 talents? Auto using my potion or knocking back mobs in my death ball is pretty pepegga
modern brook
auto potion is less bad tbh
signal plover
They're going to buff bron 8000% and ban you from the soulbind
All good as long as they don't ban my warrior from it
sweet summit
a lot of times you save pot for a specific thing tho
unless im overthinking it as a venthyr gamer
modern brook
i mean
signal plover
I def sit on pot in a lot of dungeons
modern brook
you can still save pot for a specific thing unless you healer likes to be a dork
rigid elm
Yeah, imagine getting chunked in PF and not having it for rain
signal plover
Autopot would be pretty shit in like HoA
sweet summit
ya exactly
modern brook
nah if ur getting low u already have 90 bleeds on you
or u fucked up in which case oops
sweet summit
also not wrong
modern brook
be better
dont get me wrong
Im not saying auto pot is good
its just less bad
It also lets you still take Hammer + 1 potency
Which might change with the new stuff
rigid elm
I guess it's more of a matter of me not liking it. How much better will Pelagos or Mikanikos be than Kleia? I'm a scrub so I'm willing to play whatever I want unless it becomes 10-20% worse
sweet summit
idk i cant predict the future yet
signal plover
Kleia would be the best soulbind if you could summon your soulbind as a companion
chilly brook
Smh
signal plover
Fuck off
signal plover
Oh sry
chilly brook
Lemme be a fairy
modern brook
if everything stays exactly as is
sweet summit
be furry then???
signal plover
If they buff bron tho I'll do mika
modern brook
if you dont need autopot for verdict its not worth it
signal plover
I thought u were judging my kleia ways
modern brook
Kliea is the obectively correct choice paw
chilly brook
Isn't kleia gonna be dummy next patch?
sweet summit
yeah
chilly brook
Like dummy good
signal plover
Hers looked pretty solid too
rigid elm
I play Kyrian because I like my owl buddy (slave), potion and Path of Ascension mini game. I'll be a sad sad little prot warrior if Kyrian is so bad I have to swap.
signal plover
Like her thighs
deep steppe
I was actually gonna ask
chilly brook
signal plover
Kyrian is never gonna be that bad
deep steppe
What soulbind people were thinking for 9.1
chilly brook
I wanna be a blue gurl
signal plover
Cuz banner exists lol
modern brook
chilly brook
Blue gurls big thicc
modern brook
she kinda thicc tbh
wanton condor
Tank soul binds are going to 95% be about utility
modern brook
just a casual like 8% crit for taking the soulbind
wanton condor
Unless they nerf spear and pot heavily you'll be fine
obtuse marsh
Emeni feel pretty cool if you are necro banner bitch 🤡
chilly brook
Tank soul binds are honestly all down to damage wdym kek
wanton condor
As in between covenants
chilly brook
I should honestly look at necro stuff next patch
modern brook
between spear of the archon, capstone, and pointed courage you're looking at like ~10% crit in keys edit: higher actually i missed the 5% crit on valiant stirkes consumption
wanton condor
Kyrian will never be bad unless they totally fuck up
modern brook
necro is for dorks
chilly brook
I'd play one if I wasn't gimping my own performance
wanton condor
Necro just isn't fun and maximizing the banner is too fiddly
signal plover
If banner pulsed middle of the pack aoe dmg id look at necro
chilly brook
But also Aftershock and Korayn is hard to give up
chilly brook
Necro just isn't fun and maximizing the banner is too fiddly
Bro you think I'd try to maximize that? Lol
Nah chief
wanton condor
Lol
chilly brook
You get it or you dont
wanton condor
Dps adjust
signal plover
Call it after you use it kekw
rigid elm
I was happy that necro didn't end up being S tier after the banner re-work. Managing that in pug M+ is cancer
obtuse marsh
With leggo its more easy i guess
wanton condor
I'm going back to NF next I can
chilly brook
Honestly I'll play necro if it actually isn't a personal performance loss, if that means soulbinds make up the difference then I'll swap
If not I'll stay NF
sweet summit
it's always gonna be a personal dps loss
chilly brook
Or go Kyrian if Kyrian pulls ahead
signal plover
Kyrian is in all the sweet cinematics tho
chilly brook
Dont worry next patch is gonna be Ardenweald cinematic
wanton condor
Sorry, the player base has spoken, more big blue ladies moves more subs
signal plover
Yo also, did you guys know that if you roll your orange on your desk for a few seconds before peeling it, it makes it much easier to peel the skin off without tearing the fruit.
Literal god tier pwarr advice right there
chilly brook
Sorry, the player base has spoken, more big blue ladies moves more subs
They get my money if they make big blue ladies playable
vocal bison
I want to try NF so bad for M+, but I just can’t give up my spear for pvp. Let’s be honest though kyrian is hottest by far. It’s like the belf of SL.
deep steppe
They get my money if they make big blue ladies playable
what about the swolkins?
chilly brook
Nah
deep steppe
chilly brook
No slootmogs for swolkins
signal plover
Dude owlbois are just the cherry on top
rigid elm
Owlbois be mvp
chilly brook
I want to try NF so bad for M+, but I just can’t give up my spear for pvp. Let’s...
Just try it for a week you'll be sold
signal plover
No slootmogs for swolkins
Also no genitals ... probably
chilly brook
Also Bajh hit like 2700 or something stupid as NF @vocal bison
sweet summit
Bajh is just bill dipperly ya know
chilly brook
Bajh is just bill dipperly ya know
Who?
sweet summit
Bajheera
signal plover
Who is bill dipperly
sturdy sable
Bajheera
signal plover
Ok I'm on board
plush tendon
oh is that just an EU meme
and they find this funny in Europe?
sweet summit
i find it hilarious
signal plover
As a dual citizen of the EU and the US can confirm entertainment value
vocal bison
huh
modern brook
and they find this funny in Europe?
have you seen european comedy
Watched an entire stand up act that was just some guy saying Bill dipperly in different voices
sweet summit
:Nodders:
plush tendon
TBH, im more confused now then I was 5 minutes ago
modern brook
I hate that i cant change my name in this discord
sweet summit
u can just ask a mod
modern brook
not gunna ping a mod to change my name to @bulldipperly
deep steppe
Mwahi doesnt need a ping, he sees all
ionic fern
True.
sweet summit
deep steppe
👀
plush tendon
signal plover
languid flower
ionic fern
Nope.-
languid flower
I didn't know that discord had the ability to restrict that on a server basis until a few days ago.
Joined a guild's discord and couldn't change my nick to match my toon
vocal bison
wanton condor
Kind of a weird thing to limit name changes
sweet summit
cursed channel
vocal bison
cursed channel
He said the fury channel not furry
wretched hive of scum and villainy
sweet summit
i stand by my statement
vocal bison
warm remnant
Half a lvl to 60 for my warrior zzz
vocal bison
Get it!!
still pagoda
fickle ingot
strong forum
have been since launch
sweet summit
🐣
toxic prairie
currently venhtyr, I know draven is getting some buffs, but pushing keys I am drooling over some NF. Anyone else made that jump? I pvp in arena some and am worried I will miss condemn
sweet summit
if youre worried about pvp as well as wanting a better covenant for prot i recommend kyrian
warm remnant
It is done. 💀
vestal vault
currently venhtyr, I know draven is getting some buffs, but pushing keys I am dr...
So I went NF and got all my 15s done. It was easy and beat almost everyone in dps in every instance
+2ed multiple of the 15s easily
NF is insane pump in mythic+, and it was better for me single target too in raid with frenzy and burrs
But now going back venthyr for pvp for a while
Cuz NF is a real drag in pvp
vocal bison
It is done. 💀
Grats!
digital arch
guys, nyia or korain for prot with control of rage
chilly brook
guys, nyia or korain for prot with control of rage
With what?
If you're doing keys
Korayn
If you're doing SLG korayn
If you're doing basically anything single target Niya
chilly brook
Cuz NF is a real drag in pvp
It doesn't seem that bad
It's like an on demand burst of damage
vestal vault
It doesn't seem that bad
It's a decent finisher but not very good for pressure
I've been doing fine with it but it feels like more work for no reason
digital arch
If you're doing keys
Its for mitic plus, im using the rage contrl that reset the avatar, but im as nyia
warm remnant
Personally went Kyrian because I cannot bring my heart to make another NF character x.x
muted jolt
Best mythic+ routes to import?
young oasis
They are about to add 9.1 kyrian legendary or thats it? All other 3 covenants got it, only Kyrian didnt. 🙁
stiff tusk
@muted jolt I just use the weekly dratnos routes on raiderIO website.
muted jolt
<@332993190896336896> I just use the weekly dratnos routes on raiderIO website.
Awesome. Thank you
stiff tusk
Np
vocal bison
Awesome. Thank you
Careful of the non-skips for dratnos, I swear some of those are trolling people.
As an example, would never take the non-skip for SoA at any decently high level. So much pain.
short kiln
Plka's pug routes are pretty good also as a jumping off point.
solemn current
Where would you find the Plka ones? I've gone diving trying to find some and I've quickly realized that the ones I'm finding seemingly aren't the same routes I'm used to running when not tanking. Especially the Dratnos ones. I wouldn't typically care but pugs really do be sensitive about the routes tanks pick sometimes and I'd rather be using the ones that typically get used.
vocal bison
timber nest
would a 220 sire trinket be better than a 226 skulker?
chilly brook
Hes at it again
sick sentinel
Thunder lords is very nice for the slime serpent
chilly brook
Thunder lords is very nice for the slime serpent
You're best off using The Wall for that
sturdy sable
You're best off using The Wall for that
I legit just used signet lol
fathom jacinth
is haste/crit still considered bis stats and which guide would you say it best to get up to date?
signal plover
it covers all
fathom jacinth
tyvm
signal plover
check the stat prio there for more details on this as well
toxic prairie
for NF, you guys dont run dreamweaver right? cheat death thing isnt worth it?
wanton condor
Nope
plush tendon
for NF, you guys dont run dreamweaver right? cheat death thing isnt worth it?
why run a cheat death when you can get 25% crit and 10% more damage
inland raft
Plus that cheat prevents you from getting a brez anyways
Prob wouldnt matter as pod would likely be instant killed but even in event it isnt then you prob going to wipe due to no rez
wanton condor
basically pod is a bad cheat death as it generally results in the adds going to murder your party
heart and feather are good ones because you stay alive and just no sell the death
bonesmith one is fine if you have a battle rez to pop right after
as it gives everyone time to react and 10s of free dps
toxic prairie
Gotcha
chilly brook
o shit ikari left?
I cri
signal plover
F
haughty sleet
thank god slg finally dead
frosty ridge
SLG is never dead. we re-progress them every farm. ggs tho
brittle owl
😦
plush tendon
Check the faq and the wowhead guide for conduits; as for venthyr prots, they are around here somewhere. It’s a bit less popular then the other covs but still viable
wet osprey
Thanks, initially I was vent for dps but I main a mage, and just use this guy for tanking keys with friends
digital arch
kirian or maldrax for warrior tank?
distant crystal
sand condor
kirian or maldrax for warrior tank?
Night fae 
tame jasper
Not Venthyr 🤪
sand condor
Especially with the “no interaction with bolster” from the leggo they’re getting
past grove
Personally went NightFae and absolutely loving it. Aftershock is insane for some of those caster packs especially with pugs that never interrupt (Except for every time I have Spell Reflect up...)
Speaking of which, is there any way on Warcraftlogs/analyser etc to see Spell Reflect damage/casts etc?
sweet summit
details does a better job than logs in showing spell reflect damage
you can find it in logs, its just kinda complicated
cos you go to enemy and look at enemy damage taken from that enemy
cos they damage themselves
past grove
So you would need to go to each enemy
Specifically wanting to check on certain boss fights in m+ so that's fine. Would be nice to analyze as overall though.
sand condor
cus i've been running Scale (ye i know this is a good trinket) but for my second trinket I've been swapping between Phiall, OPC, Glut Spike
yeah i need to get heart
but big sadge my guild died and i've been mega unlucky
sweet summit
sand condor
and the one that dropped on our mythic raid?
was given
to the tank
they
benched
for me
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
sweet summit
sand condor
is this thing any good tho
sand condor
welp i guess im sticking with opc
sweet summit
spike is probably solid
past grove
One of our guildies were complaining about how much damage he takes during the Mordretha fight (Last boss ToP) as a paladin and I started laughing in Spell Reflect.
sweet summit
past grove
It's amazing in a full guild group on comms though being able to say "DON"T INTERRUPT"
sand condor
i scream it
past grove
and then watching 3 interrupts go on cooldown at the same time because we're all plebs
past grove
sweet summit
ever just do spires and have a boomkin beam the fucking birds when you set it up to spell reflect
yeah me too
fuck you Ginger
past grove
omg
One day I will get the birds right
I started with dh and got to learn very quickly that me pressing sigil of silence was like a fucking hotline to the boomies to do their beam
strong forum
ever just do spires and have a boomkin beam the fucking birds when you set it up...
I have lost some friends to that
sand condor
imma have to agree on that
past grove
One of the guys I run with has his cast bars set up to show differently if I activate Spell Reflect though ❤️
proper pecan
Boomkin I play with just said "I was scared for you" after poppin beam on perfectly aligned birds, pain is real here
haughty token
Welp. My entire friend group has sworn off Mythic+ after having gotten smashed in +7. 😦
Died a bunch, so probably was me and the healers fault TT_TT
Too many things to interrupt in Spires of Ascension
ionic fern
From my experience it's more often than not the DPS'ers fault. 😂
They don't know what utility is.
I still think that tanks/healers will make great DPS players in m+ etc due to knowing what actually hurts and needs to be CC'ed/Interrupted.
unique shale
From my experience it's more often than not the DPS'ers fault. 😂
no they are not what do you mean
crisp dragon
Ive finally started doing a bitta M+ now, can someone help me understand SD, the bit circle before 2nd boss
ionic fern
What's there to understand?
crisp dragon
Because looking at the map, I had a gargoyle inbetween orange
And I was so confused if I screwed it up
lofty widget
there's 3 stone gargoyles on either side of the boss, but only one of them will actually be a mob to fight
ionic fern
Two will spawn to fight. 👀
One on one side of the boss and 2nd on the other side.
lofty widget
right, one of them will spawn on each side
like you wont get 2 on one side and then 0 on the other
ionic fern
Because looking at the map, I had a gargoyle inbetween orange
MDT probably just has one marked on each side for the % cause only 2 can potentially spawn.
So you can't force like 3 of them to spawn etc for extra %.
crisp dragon
I see, I was just confused cause they're not marked on the map
And secondly, the vestibuges, the ones that spawn the big puddles on the ground, should they ever get that cast off?
It just feels like it hurts like crazy
ionic fern
You can stun/fear/hard CC the cast but you can't "INterrupt" it with your regular interrupt.
So chances are it's going to go off at some point of time .
lofty widget
it's just gonna recast until it gets it off, so best you can do is delay it for like 5-10 seconds
crisp dragon
And when pulling the packs in the circle, theres some many fucking patrols, Should I Line them by going into rooms?
ionic fern
It depends on your CD's / DPS.
And also if you have a Venthyr for the lantern.
In general i have Pride when i enter that room so i do a big pull in the beginning.
crisp dragon
It just feels like, I kill the melees, and then by the time they're dead, the ranged and the other patrol are so close together that I end up with a very bad double pull
ionic fern
Kite back. 🙂
crisp dragon
Might have to watch a VOD on a key
lofty widget
you can LOS in the opening of the doors to group it all up
also keeps the casters from throwing research for a bit
sweet crest
that part of the dungeon is pure cancer anyway 🙂 but yeah, doing a big pull when you enter and then los-ing to group things up might be a good way
due to the Vestige of Doubt adds, this part gets really messy, really fast imho
crisp dragon
I think I had some really pepega DPS, crazy low damage, Survival hunter, destru lock
like who tf are these people even
ionic fern
SV can do sick DPS. 👀
crisp dragon
Ill have to watch a VOD, see what I can do differently, cause truth of the matter is I really like the dungeons, I just really dont like SD
crisp dragon
honestly, I did quite a few double pulls, and everyone had around 6-6.5k dps on a +17 key, way lower than what Ive had on my previous keys
ionic fern
Overall?
lofty widget
thats.. not too bad
ionic fern
If that's overall damage that's good for a +17. 👀
sweet crest
double pulls in SD are what? 4-6 adds in general?
lofty widget
yes
sweet crest
doesn't sound that horrible if it's overall
ionic fern
In a +17 PuG i did we had lowest on 6k and highest on 6.7k
crisp dragon
Considering I did 5.2k as tank, I dunno man
ionic fern
Then again in a +18 i did we had highest on 7.9k and lowest on 6.9k
5.2k overall?
Or in the AOE packs?
sweet summit
the dps requirement to time a 17 is relatively low, 6k is fine tbh
lofty widget
well it's sanguine, if the spider bug was still in at that time 5.2 isnt unreasonable
ionic fern
PRetty sure you can time a 17 even with less DPS. 😂
crisp dragon
I think it was still timeable, we just wiped on the circle, and people kept just dying, then healer went offline
sweet crest
yea, the less dps you have, the lower the margin for errors is ^^
ionic fern
Feels bad.
crisp dragon
Thanks for the help guys, Ill have to look at how I can improve, cause honestly, ive prolly timed that dungeon all of 5 times
omegalol
ionic fern
I think SD is actually one of the videos that @patent osprey has with a commentary
On his YT channel.
crisp dragon
Would be sweet
jagged pier
also shameless plug to a less quality and less good commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJzFx1soS4&ab_channel=Jakeyplops
strong forum
I wish I had a vid of my pepega runs
On SD
To show you how it's not done, but at the same time still done
jagged pier
i wish i had them i had a 16 from a long time ago where we wiped like 3 times and still timed it
strong forum
"technically you could use lanterns, but we don't so... Yeah unluck"
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
"okay so 2nd boss you wanna spread out CDs to always have smth to kill the add-... Oh well everybody used everything on first one"
jagged pier
oh look we nearly wiped to the second