protection

[sick sentinel]

I did some PTR testing yesterday

and the first boss is such a meme

[crimson furnace]

same

[amber herald]

I heard a bit of what he said about prot

something to do with heavy repercussions being a dps increase in really high keys 20<

[sick sentinel]

it feels like prot will be great 9.1

[amber herald]

why'd you think that?

ptr changes?

[lofty widget]

feelycrafting

[sick sentinel]

well, because prot warr always scales good with stats

[still pagoda]

feelycrafting

[sick sentinel]

its just a personal opinion here

[plush tendon]

[sweet summit]

scaling 🤡

[amber herald]

yeah I was curious if there'd been changes I'd missed

[sick sentinel]

[amber herald]

I hope it's good too

[sweet summit]

scaling isnt a thing thats very potent

specs either gets buffed or nerfed, directly or indirectly

it doesnt scale well or poorly

[sick sentinel]

well what i meant is that usually it's a spec that tends to get stronger and stronger every tier

at least is what i feel or think

might be wrong

[sweet summit]

idk about previous xpacs, but i do know that the reason prot was so good after 8.0 was direct buffs

[still pagoda]

pugs

pugs never change

you can do lower keys in %insertgear%

[sick sentinel]

just git gud :

[still pagoda]

keys below usual ilvl drop cap are easy as fuck outside of first 2-3 weeks of M+

[sick sentinel]

pugs are crazy

like asking for specific cov/spec/class for a 12

[still pagoda]

[shut linden]

there's no loot specialization to let you get shields and 2H is there?

[still pagoda]

asking for a specific cov/spec/class outside of the highest keys

[sweet summit]

there is one in game

oh wait

[still pagoda]

there are none

[sweet summit]

no theres not

[shut linden]

rough, ty

[sick sentinel]

You can do a 20

with 3 ferals

a MW

and w/e you want

[still pagoda]

i know

always been a dude who hates bad play and moronic takes on meta

AND VERS

[plush tendon]

Well I have 25% vers

how much do you have?

[sick sentinel]

12%

[sweet summit]

enough

[sick sentinel]

i think

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

thats some low vers, you obviously cant push past a 15 with that much vers

[sick sentinel]

Andy hasters vs chad versers

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Naw dude, Andy Haste/Vers, Chad Crit/Mastery

[inland raft]

Brb deleting all haste gear and finding vers

[sweet summit]

brb reforging my gear

[plush tendon]

I wish though XD

[sick sentinel]

Reforge was Pog

[plush tendon]

Theres a reforge vendor in the Undercity

you should go check it out

[sweet summit]

👀

[languid flower]

(and 3 stealthed rogues)

[potent anvil]

I have 31% vers

[honest plinth]

pvper....

[potent anvil]

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-funny-we-dont-take-your-type-gif-14806320

[strange lintel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/msb8pk/tanking_m_really_do_be_like_that_sometimes/

Help I'm dying lol

[plush tendon]

That was us like a month ago

Now in days its not nearly as bad

but maybe everyone is so used to VDH cause thats how they tank XD

[wheat blaze]

vdh in a nutshell taunt run like a chicken and repeat

[plush tendon]

more like, Jump in, pop CDs one at a time while button mashing, see CDs are up, fear, jump out

[wheat blaze]

haha

only mobs i have to run from are the dogs in hoa

-_-

nasty ass bleed

[plush tendon]

bleeds scary

me no like

[wheat blaze]

reprisal leggo is really good for that

[still pagoda]

just healed pugs who took every single fucking puddle and unnecessary bit of damage(except for me and tank)

that was pain

[plush tendon]

imagine if they had vers though

[still pagoda]

wouldn't help

at all

trust me, it doesn't fix brains

[plush tendon]

kek

[still pagoda]

the only thing that made this pugproof is beacon of virtue lul

[still pagoda]

literally saved the day

[strong forum]

i like this one better

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

ah yes

because we totally didnt do +14s week 1 with 180ilvl

so doing +7s is too much

[still pagoda]

+14's week 1, casually binging through content and so on

pugs are a gamble at best

but i don't have any way around that for the time being

[median tulip]

A good guild and/or a good mythic community discord

I have both

Highly reccomended

R.IO is too easily gamed, actual knowledge of the other players in a community is the only way to be sure

[still pagoda]

that i know

[median tulip]

Basically you need a social aspect to the game in order to form good teams.

[still pagoda]

but lost 90% of that on the launch of SL.

[median tulip]

Sorry for you bro

[solid cairn]

Looking for a guild when you are a tank is not easy

[still pagoda]

sometimes even impossible

[solid cairn]

True

And then it's the PUG life

[novel steeple]

We just lost 8 of our mythic raid team while progging SLG

[median tulip]

A lot of people are taking breaks at the moment

[solid cairn]

Good luck finding 8 people now ^^

[novel steeple]

raiding has been cancelled. no clue if we are gonna try to rebuild for 9.1 or not.

[solid cairn]

My guild got in hibernation mode when i taked 1 week off

[novel steeple]

yea, hit all of us pretty deep. we shall see what we do. not everybody is leaving so dunno what the plan is

[plush tendon]

Its basically guild killing to take any days off at this point in the tier if you are pushing for CE

[novel steeple]

lost guild leader ( also one of our tanks ), raid leader, 2 healers, and the rest dps

[plush tendon]

we took Thursday off cause our RL was going out of town.... so lets see if we have a raid on Tuesday : ^)

[solid cairn]

it was when we just finished the HM

And before i rerolled tank

[novel steeple]

I was a hunter main but prot warrior has moved to the forefront for the guild. I prefer it anyway

[still pagoda]

dunno how long it'll take tho. The only thing that's left is that people from my previous guild remember me well, including my former co-tank.

So, now with me playing healers, i don't think it'll be long for me to get back to pushing high keys and stuff, even despite not being a tank anymore

[plush tendon]

People always looking for a juiced Hpal

[solid cairn]

i was brew at legion, didn't play at BFA (tried a few week but i didn't liked it); came back at SL and tried DPS

Then i was like

It's boring

Let's go back to tank

And now i'm prot

[plush tendon]

I get bored of DPS

I only really like DK dps and Mage

and Ele just cause its very visually appealing (havnt leveled mine yet though, got enough toons im playing)

[solid cairn]

will probably play a bit of elem on the side

[plush tendon]

super awesome spec

been recommending it to people for like 5 months now

[solid cairn]

i like the feeling of power when you use chain lightning

[plush tendon]

I just think its cool with spell animations, pretty engaging rotation, some cool CDs, and utility. Plus, shaman tmogs are on point

whats not to like?

[solid cairn]

not enough totem

[plush tendon]

eh, not big on totems

[solid cairn]

Was more funny at WOTLK

when my screen was just totem everywhere xD

[plush tendon]

Totems can be cool if they are short duration utility or damage Cooldown

[solid cairn]

yup

[plush tendon]

keeping totems up like a maintenance buff is bleh

[solid cairn]

the spec is cool

si will probably level my 50 one

[plush tendon]

and then Earthquake

what a underrated AoE spell that is

[solid cairn]

is it capped?

[plush tendon]

I think uncapped (20)

yea, tooltip not clear but I would assume uncapped

[plush tendon]

siq

knocks mofos down to

imagine those Shard packs in HoA where people miss kicks all the god damn time

and your eleshaman is just laying down the earthquakes

[solid cairn]

funny that chain lightning is capped at 5 target

[plush tendon]

I dont think there are many specs with more then 1 uncapped ability

maybe fire mage with flamepatch

[strong forum]

destro is 100% uncapped

[plush tendon]

on everything?

or just rain?

[strong forum]

infernal, rain, cataclysm

[plush tendon]

ah, ok

havnt seen one of those in a min

[strong forum]

its already competetive with affli on some bosses

and wil be better from 9.1 onwards

[plush tendon]

No doubt

I like destro locks; visually very appealing

especially when compared to Affliction

if you cant tell, im very big on specs that look cool when they do their things xD

[strong forum]

visually destro is cooler, but its just wannabe firemage, i like the idea of affli

i like rot dmg if it can pump

[plush tendon]

I think mechanically Affliction is much more diverse comapred to destro; but no one can tell me applying corruption is as cool as havoc chaos bolt with internals dropping from the sky

https://tenor.com/view/burn-muppet-elmo-feu-enfer-gif-16258033

[strong forum]

i liked legion affli

[plush tendon]

the reap souls was really cool

[strong forum]

seed spam into soulflame explosion

absolutely destroying packs

[plush tendon]

its also the same reason I cant stand hunters

it just looks so.... boring XD

[languid flower]

Do you think there's enough people like you that it could support a new role?

like let the dps players have boring vizuals and let the CC players have awesome vizuals?

[plush tendon]

Im confused? I just like specs that have visually cool spells

and whats a CC player? Crowd Control?

[strong forum]

a support

[languid flower]

yeah

debuffer, etc

a supporter, fo sho

[strong forum]

do 0 dps and just buff/debuff and CC targets

sounds to me like the worst possible thing to play, but it works in some other games

[valid zodiac]

Those who opted for Niya, what are you thoughts on new soulbinds in the upcoming 9.1

[plush tendon]

but are they aware that pumps?

[lilac jackal]

i hit an 18k aftershock yesterday. fealt good. im still quite low ilvl lol

[plush tendon]

I do like Necrolord; if they can take off the 'extra person' on the lego and just make it party wide baseline then we'd be cooking

maybe not a full scale AA barbaque, but at least wed be cooking

[plush tendon]

you should also ask the druid how he feels about the PTR changes 🙂

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_PCqxRCPgg , sometimes happens xD

[plush tendon]

KEK

[sick sentinel]

Whole crit with

[strong forum]

yeah fury has the highest instant burst in the game

[still pagoda]

[outer solstice]

heyo any of you has a decent heart of alar WA? also see #ui-addons-manager

[wet osprey]

whats oils u guys use for tanking?

[strong forum]

what kind of WA would you need for it??

if its on CD you have the debuff

[outer solstice]

yeah, basically jsut one to move my debuff closer to where I see it xD

[strong forum]

just make your own lul

[outer solstice]

4k screens are a b**** with standard UI elements

yeah gonna do that

[strong forum]

literally just a debuff tracker

[outer solstice]

yeah but with proper load condition if equipped and such thingies

[still pagoda]

pugs doing 2.5k average through the dung

[outer solstice]

hey I do double as much as tonky boi

[still pagoda]

210ivl
basically doing no damage

[plush tendon]

some people just dont know how to pump

Or they literally holding CDs for twice the length of the CDs actual cool down

had to explain to our fire mage in a 19 this week that he should probably combust pride, cause he'll get another combust with pride buff anyways

[still pagoda]

[plush tendon]

Im just flabbergasted by DPS who hold CDs. Unless you are specifically planning something with the CD like a boss push or something, just press your goddamn buttons

[sand condor]

whats the diff between soulful and spiritual healing potions

[fluid wraith]

max sb duration is 12 secs right?

[strong forum]

18

[slow warren]

is that including bolster?

[floral pewter]

Spiritual is crafted, Soulful drops from chests. The effect seems to be identical

[floral pewter]

no, Bolster ignores the cap

[still pagoda]

and even then you would usually hold for 30-60 seconds, not more

and this only applies to high CD ones

[still pagoda]

+7
Tank can't hold aggro and possibly doesn't know how to even play as his spec
DPS eat every single aoe
All blame on healer

[torpid cliff]

playing +7’s and expecting decent players
🤡

[plush tendon]

I dont even want to venture down there and see what type of players do 7s as their 'engaging content'

[vocal bison]

Probs better than the 10-14 range tbh, that’s a special kind of cancer

[plush tendon]

: ^0

its sort of amazing to me TBH

[novel steeple]

it's a whole different kind of hell. doing it on my warrior. rough stuff

[plush tendon]

Like, I get that there are people of various skills and what not, but like..... come on dude

[novel steeple]

5 ToP...hunter in group had never done ToP at all. got all the achievements for completing it after we finished it. Never did any mechanics on any bosses.

[plush tendon]

Big Wigs should be part of the base game

including voice packs

so even if its your first time doing a dungeon, theres a guy there saying 'Reaping Sycthe' 'rampgage' with some flashing letters or something

IDK

[novel steeple]

going from 17-20s on my hunter down to below 10s on my warrior....oof

[undone verge]

7s are harder than 15s

[lavish oracle]

I feel like everyone says "[key level I am currently pugging] is a special hell"

[languid mason]

yooooooooo

guys someone quick tell me wat dungeons (M+) bolster talent is good for and anger management

[novel steeple]

naw, it gets better the higher up you go usually

[lavish oracle]

Pugging is just generally hell, turns out

[languid mason]

leggo

[lofty widget]

you can run AM in all dungeons if you play reprisal

[languid mason]

i do reprisal

so bolster good for the wall?

[lofty widget]

yes

[languid mason]

U ARE A LEGEND

[vocal bison]

Idk, I am way more comfortable pugging a >15 than 10-14

[languid mason]

im pushing higher keys now so jus wanna min max properly

[vocal bison]

That’s the level of people thinking they can do 15s but still no clue

Plus you have pride and routing now

[languid mason]

bruv even now alot of people can barely do anything over a +10

[vocal bison]

Which is new at that level

[languid mason]

its crazy

[lavish oracle]

I pug both pretty comfortably, players in the 10-14 range just need more direct communication from the tank, I find

[languid mason]

u dont even depending on ur spec i guess

but thing is from the tanK has his routes down

u should be good

10-14

[plush tendon]

and by route, you mean press W right?

[languid mason]

no i mean kno wat to pull from wat not to pull

in a timely fashion

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I just try to give DPS some heads up if I need them to do anything special or if we're skipping etc

[vocal bison]

if I’m tanking as a rule of thumb I don’t bother with skips in 10-14, good chance someone will just muck it up

[languid mason]

and type fast

lol

i usually use routes that are well rounded for 10-17s

[lavish oracle]

Learning which packs it's safe to type on 😄

[fathom spindle]

So which lego would you guys say is the best to make first?
Reprisal or Wall?

[languid mason]

true

make reprisal

[lavish oracle]

I'd say reprisal

[languid mason]

if u gonna m+ mostly

and its good for raid

[plush tendon]

If you are raiding and M+ then The Wall, if just M+ reprisal

[languid mason]

jus dont charge too much and fuck up ur position

[plush tendon]

just as a 190 though

[fathom spindle]

Aye, finally going back to my Warrior.
DH is boring as hell, so mostly M+

[lavish oracle]

Reprisal is decent in raid and absolutely unmatched in keys

[plush tendon]

you can basically get both really quickly anyways soo

[languid mason]

lol dont charge while fighting heroic sire wen hes gonna wracking pain lolol

lolol

[lavish oracle]

The Wall is good in raid and okay in keys

[languid mason]

and then wipe the raid

[plush tendon]

The Wall is the safer raid pick and is decent in keys; Reprisal is much better in keys, but quite a bit harder to get full value in raid

[fathom spindle]

Reprisal it is first then, thx lads!

[languid mason]

i should craft the wall as well still prepare for 9.1

[languid mason]

wat he said

[fathom spindle]

I like the Reprisal gameplay though, seems fun

[languid mason]

its very fun in keys

and the uptime on block if u kno wat ur doing is mad sick

[fathom spindle]

Wanted to be Night Fae aswell, but went Kyrian since we’ll need it.

Jump and blink around would be fun as hell 😍

[languid mason]

lol

kyrian is jus sooo goood for prot warrior

overall

[fathom spindle]

Isn’t Ancient Aftershock really strong aswell though?
Against casters?

[languid mason]

night fae is good if u switch up between dps alot

[lavish oracle]

Fae is also quite good, ye

[plush tendon]

NF is for the pumpers

[lavish oracle]

I would miss phial but I know a lot of people prefer fae

[plush tendon]

Kyrian is for forced dungeon buffs

[lavish oracle]

Wonder if we'll still need to be the kyrian slot in 9.1

[plush tendon]

hopfully not

gotta bring dat WW

🙂

[still pagoda]

this should be an optional thing, but turned on by default

[fathom spindle]

I’m just glad i get a choice in the matter tbh 😅

Almost mandatory to be Kyrian as DH, with the setup i’m running.
No snapthreat outside of Elyssians Decree...

With Warrior it feels there’s som solid choices, and i could probably go Kyrian Arms for some PvP should i Fancy it.

DH in PvP is a no no unless you’re NF

[still pagoda]

i'm playing without bigwigs voice packs

[lavish oracle]

Kyrians good for fury keys too

[languid mason]

im good with kyrian on my DH and pro warr

im night fae on my blood dk

but then again dks are dumb

not worth the stress

[fathom spindle]

Nerf DK mobility though

[languid mason]

and if ur pugging alot u will be pulling out ur hair alot

hahaha deaths advance+spirit form+rocket jump+wraith walk

lolol

[still pagoda]

my warri is kyrian, DK is venthyr and pala is kyrian(but i'm probably going to switch to venthyr for slick transmog and more CD-focused gameplay the moment i'll stop pugging)

[languid mason]

thats 4 rite there

[plush tendon]

gross

[languid mason]

lolol

[fathom spindle]

PuG as tank in SL?

Ive got 10+ whispers the second i log in 😅

[still pagoda]

cancerous as usual

[languid mason]

me too wen u have KSM people literally ride ur dick to help with keys

[fathom spindle]

Naah, i enjoy it very much when 15 people in my guild needs help with a weekly every Tuesday

...

[languid mason]

but im learning since yesterday people can buy KSM so kinda not the vibes no more

lolol

still a minor accomplishment tho

[fathom spindle]

And now when i need a weekly on my fresh Warrior, there’s little to no help to be found 😂

[still pagoda]

buying KSM

[languid mason]

lolol

its mad innit

[fathom spindle]

It is, easy to recieve help though

[languid mason]

im slowly getting there on my p warr too seeing i didnt start the expansion with it

[jagged pier]

Buying KSM is great made all my money that way

[languid mason]

kinda depending on times ur on u can get shit pugs but im sure if ur guild is ight it should be ight

[languid mason]

kudos

[fathom spindle]

Same, went monk, my M+ team wanted me as DH, so rerolled.

Now i wanted to play Warrior, and they’re pumped about it thx to nerftank 😂

[languid mason]

yea nerftank changed the game once again

with his warr

killed it

rank 1 in 2 weeks

[fathom spindle]

Glad he did, DH is so mindless in raids, hate it there.

[languid mason]

DH is easy

[fathom spindle]

Indeed

[languid mason]

started with blood dk and switched bcuz i was getting tilted got KSM in a month

with DH

so easy

but still have to kno wat ur doing

way less buttons to worry about as well

[fathom spindle]

I just hate the Sigil system as DH.
Seems like a Warden thing, so always had something against it, just feels clunky and unfun.

And in SL our best damaging ability is a Sigil (consistant damage + snapthreat).

And the Soulbinds in Kyrian don’t fit DH.
Feels so incomplete/clunky, but way to efficient to pass up

[languid mason]

with DH in my opinion u jus have to manage uptime on ur mitigations really well to get the most out of it

sigils are fun

like relaly fun

really

jus timing and patience

all my sigils hit different

[fathom spindle]

Well to each their own!

I just don’t Fancy it very much, and ontop of that we have a resource which is useless (Fury), only Soul fragments count.

Pelagos seems to counterproductive aswell.

You’ll get mastery which is useless, and later 3% less damage taken in magic damage, something they already mitigate like beasts.

And Kleia is not much better it feels.

Atleast as Prot the mastery buff seems like it helps you somewhat, so you’ll pick up the orb.
And the 3% less magic damsge taken is highly appreciated for warrs etc 🙂

[languid mason]

yea to each his own to be fair

i rotate 3 tanks

DH is jus easy

and well rounded in fact to easy seeing its meta

prot warr is behind that

so im super comfy with the 2 and the blood dk in the back jus in case they buff it

and make it OP

[fathom spindle]

DK’s are extremly fun in raids though.
But the lack of mobility is tedious in M+

[balmy kayak]

what are we building reprisal on?

[fathom spindle]

Hope and dreams

[vocal bison]

On the collective hopes and dreams

[balmy kayak]

lul

[vocal bison]

niiice

[fathom spindle]

Great minds think alike 😂

[languid mason]

Legs are usually good

[vocal bison]

👌

[balmy kayak]

ok legs is what i was thinking, appreciate it

[languid mason]

np bro gratz

[balmy kayak]

❤️

[vocal bison]

If you have access to mythic SLG legs people go feet, but probably not for everyone

[languid mason]

not for everyone

[balmy kayak]

doing mythic sire prog now but i'm a boomy until next tier, so legs probably safest bet

[languid mason]

facts

i havent raided in a minute

on mythic prog aswell but so many busy things coming up only have time to m+

[still pagoda]

time to roll the dice on pugs in that dreaded key range

[vocal bison]

Fare thee well

[jagged pier]

10 is easier than 7-9

[still pagoda]

i already smell pugs fucking up tho

not sure if it'll be easier with pugs, but usually, 10's are easier than 7-9

especially in the current and previous seasons

P.S. Not applicable to seasons 1 and 3 of BfA and everything in Legion

[warped mulch]

Was kinda true in legion though, for at least part of it. Wanted to stay far away from like 4-9

[jagged pier]

oh if anyone here are mount collectors if u go solo the last 2 boss of PF on hc u get the slime serpent mount

well it will spawn in the 3rd boss room and u go pet it to get it

[gentle oak]

gentlemen, I bring you: the truth

[jagged pier]

this is all i see

https://assets.change.org/photos/7/gu/hx/wXGUHXKgSHCvOtg-800x450-noPad.jpg?1509215660

and i dont want that thnks

fits better as well as hes red

[chilly brook]

Come back to me when you're doing over 5k in dungeons as Venthyr

[gentle oak]

simple maffs

if the boss ain't alive

you don't need to mitigate

[jagged pier]

do more damage than me in raids then come back to me

[languid mason]

lol

beef?

[gentle oak]

idk I be posting memes, dey be postin' beef

[still pagoda]

AND... It is not even completed

[jagged pier]

F

[still pagoda]

that pug tank was so garbage that i couldn't even stand it

seriously

not using SB

almost at all

guaranteed grave

and he was the first to leave

and he pulled extra

and he pulled with his butt

and he fucked up second pride

WTF

i have never seen a worse tank tbh

[jagged pier]

pugs not much u can do

🤷

[still pagoda]

pretty much

always a gamble

i had to pull 6k+ hps to keep that fucker and the group alive sometimes

in 172ilvl

[languid mason]

we get it bro the tank was bad az fuck

check tank's RIO before joining a pug?

[jagged pier]

can tank some tomorrow in the day

[still pagoda]

of course i did.

Though, in my experience even rio is a gamble

[languid mason]

that is tru as well but u gotta give the benefit of the doubt

[still pagoda]

especially it was back in BfA

[languid mason]

but i guess in this case it was a bit futile lol

[still pagoda]

+2-14 range

hellscape of rang and pug gambling

just need to slog through it

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier wanna tell me how bad I am on SLG so far?

[languid mason]

lol

here we go

tell him @jagged pier

maybe @jagged pier is offline

[jagged pier]

im in a key

but its griff so better than i am

[languid mason]

there ya go @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier parses better than me hes just being modest

But heres the logs from thursday

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/thRGK6Q7AL2pMjn1/

[jagged pier]

well i mean parsing better means nothing really your mitigation will probably be better

ewww you take boss

[chilly brook]

Yea

[jagged pier]

dont really know how to look at that im on adds

[chilly brook]

I'll probably talk to the other tank about it

[jagged pier]

so i can cheese

[chilly brook]

It's weird af using reprisal on the fight ngl

[strong forum]

you took 800 dtps more than me over 3 less wipes

smh my head

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

its far easier if u are on adds to use it tbh

as u can charge to them running in

[strong forum]

you can also charge to kaal

makes the mobs move less

and your dps will like you a bit more

[jagged pier]

yes i do that as well

[chilly brook]

That's what I do in p1

[strong forum]

but ngl

keeping aggro of adds IS FUCKING AIDS

[jagged pier]

yus

range always standing miles away

jumps to them

[chilly brook]

Havent found it too bad

[jagged pier]

then they dont die at the right time

[strong forum]

na we all stack in melee

even range

but my mage... man

[jagged pier]

we are supposed to

[chilly brook]

Except for the one fire mage who wants to be away from the group

[strong forum]

too much damgur

he opens with 30k dps on 2 targets

wtf man i can only taunt 1 target

[jagged pier]

taunt leap taunt

[strong forum]

dont make me use my leap i need that

:angery

[jagged pier]

XD

[chilly brook]

Ancient Aftershock for 21k 4head

[strong forum]

gotta wait for all the adds to be in

[distant crystal]

what adds are we talking about

[strong forum]

before i use spear

cant just spear 2 adds man

need to wait for all 4

[chilly brook]

The windbois

From SLG

[strong forum]

skirmisher, first adds and then later on the ever spawning commandos

are a fucking bitch to get aggro

[distant crystal]

oh i just casually pick those up

[chilly brook]

Commandos I find ez

[distant crystal]

dps can bring em to tank if they don't wanna tank

😄

[strong forum]

cant hold aggro of a bursting ret

on freshly spawned commandos

[distant crystal]

intervene ret ez

[strong forum]

used for goliath

or the mage

its a struggle with a mage this good

[chilly brook]

Just revenge booiiiiii

Jk

That's some nice dam

[chilly brook]

Ngl I probably take that much more damage because for some reason we've been having it where I take Kaal during intermission and hold Kaal and like 4 commandos at once until I get 2 stacks and then we swap

[short kiln]

Got a heraldry drop today!

[distant crystal]

@chilly brook that's what I do

[strong forum]

im just gonna have the DH take adds in that phase for the first burn adds

[chilly brook]

Yea but we got a dk

[distant crystal]

other tank hates it cause i get to clap the commandos while he holds boss kek

[still pagoda]

lower keys in a nutshell

[ember token]

Isn't it easier to hold Kaal + all inc Commando until Goliath is dead and aoe taunt them by Goliath tank to burn? Thats what we usually do and works fine

[jovial fractal]

Question, I'm currently playing kyrian, and in thinking of swapping to NF or necro, is it worth losing the hp pot?

[velvet wasp]

context? For pet battles it doesnt matter

[jovial fractal]

For raiding and m+

[still pagoda]

main skill is always the main thing to consider

[unique shale]

👆

[still pagoda]

secondary skills, including bleed pot, are supplementary

that was talked about many times ever since beta

[jovial fractal]

Alright, thanks

[amber herald]

both are good

do what you feel is coolest

[fierce field]

Do the bloodmallet numbers for soulbinds factor in main skill on CD then?

[eternal ice]

any tips to soloing slime serpent

3rd/4th boss of PF I meant

[distant crystal]

did it on vdh 😮

[strong forum]

shouldnt be too hard on hc

should be fairly easy no?

[distant crystal]

the bosses take awhile idk

i was doin a lot of selfheals

[strong forum]

sure but indom should take care of everything

[distant crystal]

indom was just hp in bfa

wasn't it

[strong forum]

yuh

[sturdy sable]

I hold kal and collect adds till first crystallize (we arnt skipping it) then my co tank takes kal and I bring the 4 Mandos in

[languid mason]

take notes boyz

[unique shale]

should i go kyrain ?

i feel like 6m and 6.5m overall damage is not enough to time 18 keys

[astral crystal]

your dmg prob wont make or break an 18

[strong forum]

Tank dps defo doesn't make or break an 18

clean routes, execution and coordination however makes you time keys with ease

Also having dps that can pull more than 6k

[unique shale]

probably bad luck with pugging hopefully

[lavish oracle]

Bear in mind that the way you handle mobs will hugely impact your group's DPS

Kyrian definitely helps you do that more easily in a lot of scenarios

[unique shale]

i mean i always stay under hunter blue area and mage blizzard

[lavish oracle]

There are plenty of other aoes you'd want the mobs to be tightly grouped for while kiting

Flame patch is a big one, starfire cleave, not sure what the max range on cleaves like whirlwind or blade flurry but I'm sure your melee would appreciate the mobs staying tightly grouped either way

[unique shale]

how do you deal with necrotic next week as kyrain

cause i have easier time with venthyr

[lavish oracle]

Oh, necrotic is so good as kyrian

Your phial clears it, if you're using Klein, which you might consider during necrotic, you can be immune to new stacks of necrotic for 8 seconds, spear let's you get out when you need to

Other than that I just run bounding stride and call for CCs like frost nova when I need them

[languid mason]

anyone here pushing over 25+ keys?

[unique shale]

but you won't get a potency slot anymore

[unique shale]

PIKA

[lofty widget]

considering there is 2 prot warriosr who have timed 25s i think your chances are slim

[lavish oracle]

@languid mason Ummm, there's like 3 warriors timing 25s but yeah plka

[languid mason]

jus wanna ask if pushing a 20 key on HoA need a nice route

something easy

[sweet summit]

plka and nerf tune in from time to time yeah

[lavish oracle]

Oh, never seen nerf in here, neat

[languid mason]

always see pika and he responds to alot jus need a route still

[unique shale]

just watch pika videos on youtube timing above 20+ keys

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, typically haven't found a need for the immunity but if it were giving you trouble, it's something to consider

[languid mason]

and coordinating the bomb execution on PF is a pain above +17

its mad

[unique shale]

so run pelagos as usual ?

[lavish oracle]

Yep

[unique shale]

i died 2 times there but we managed to time it 18+

[languid mason]

nice

i only had 1 attempt at it an got tilted

i couldnt even rage at anyone cuz its jus a hard key to begin with

[lofty widget]

sap 1 borer, pull the other onto some packs=profit

repeat for the rest of trash

[languid mason]

bro its not that easy

[unique shale]

if it wasn't for shaman golem and monk circle it was complete wipe

[languid mason]

like no way

lol

sap 1 u say lol

and pull the other

lol

ok then

[lavish oracle]

I dunno, timed an 18 PF without any kind of fancy borer control

[languid mason]

@lofty widget is jus chatting shit

[lavish oracle]

I think the timer is pretty nice as long as you don't wipe right before the 2nd boss or something

[languid mason]

bout sap 1 pull the other

tru

my only issue is pulling them down to the 2nd boss

and getting out all the ads while maintaining sanity

[unique shale]

its hard cause they give you slow debuff

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, didn't do any of that

[languid mason]

well the slow is easy to counter with DH cuz of that glide

[unique shale]

i did that before but i was with help of a rouge that pulled other pack to me

[languid mason]

but with prot have to coordinate an intervene jus to get down the stairs which works decent but to get the other pack is hard so i see nerf pull the far right pack first

might try that

didnt try with a rouge as well

so defo need to do that

or try

[unique shale]

you just need good people

[lofty widget]

yea if you wanna get borers on trash at second boss you need leap and ranged interrupts in order to group everything in time

not easy at all

[languid mason]

yea

gonna cook up sumn

[patent osprey]

hai

[unique shale]

hi

[lofty widget]

hey

[sweet summit]

👋

[patent osprey]

sup ^.^

[unique shale]

nothing playing decline simulator with pugging

[patent osprey]

sorries :( I did a pug last night!

I pug too!

[languid mason]

@patent osprey the legend

[patent osprey]

Hai @languid mason ! How's PTR warrior feeling guys

[lavish oracle]

Did they change anything for protection on ptr minus the new leggos?

[sweet summit]

nope

[urban portal]

I know ppl probably asked this already

But does bolster work with venth legend

[sweet summit]

not currently, no

neither does unnerving focus

[urban portal]

Whack

ngl

it kind of makes sense for bolster

[sweet summit]

does it tho

[urban portal]

but doesnt make sense for UF at all

like if i were to code it, i would set bolster to give a shield block effect referencing last stand

[grand drum]

Almost like bolster in bfa 🤔

[urban portal]

but for UF, I would add the rage generation as a buff to last stand

but again thats from an outsiders perspective

[unique shale]

if they don't add it the lego is trash

[urban portal]

i agree

[unique shale]

otherwise it is better to change it to add 3/4 sec to avatar or shield wall

[warped mulch]

I honestly don't know how they came up with that being a legendary people might want. Yes, give me longer higher health cap....

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-bae-meat-slap-gif-10596622

prot war with more health is like

[floral pewter]

I mean, baseline Last Stand is kind of a joke of a cooldown

it's weird that they extend that one in the first place

[unique shale]

just change it to avatar and we gucci

[sweet summit]

no just make it work with bolster/unnerving focus/both

[unique shale]

can't cause that's too much

[sweet summit]

the covenant legendaries are supposed to strengthen the covenants niche it seems

and that would strengthen venthyrs niche

[unique shale]

i wish they would have change venthyr conduit 😦

[urban portal]

Thats what i was thinking, whats the point of extending your HP bar when you already got that heal

[sturdy sable]

Man if it worked with bolster I'd be pretty excited lol

Or even just the conduit tbh

[wanton condor]

if it worked with the various last stand buffs it would be pretty crazy for dps in raids and if you need more mitigation during the last 20%

[languid mason]

damn jake paul won in 1st round KO wtf lolol

thats mad

[sweet summit]

who

[languid mason]

jake paul vs ben askren

[sweet summit]

[sinful fern]

whats a good vers% to aim for?

[sweet summit]

as much as your highest ilvl gear makes you have

vers% is irrelevant

more stats is better

[sinful fern]

okay

so higher ilvl is better than vers

[sweet summit]

yes

[unique shale]

can anybody share mouse over intervene macro ?

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene; Intervene

[floral pewter]

Running keys as not-a-tank feels frustrating now

When the tank makes a mistake, it's too relatable

[tepid nest]

do you guys run celestial guidance or lightless force? i have been running lightless force and its decent dmg but celestial offers some amount of defensive value too

well, the top 6 prot warrs on rio are using a combination of celestial guidance, lightless force and sinful revelation. which confirms my assumption that it really doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

it really doesnt matter tbh makes a smol difference

[median tulip]

I use Celestial Guidance and Sharpening Stones for Raiding, because that gives the most benefit to Ignore Pain, but for M+ I would use Sinful Rev and Shadowcore

[crimson furnace]

guys, one question, if I may

do we want this???

[sweet summit]

what am i looking for?

[crimson furnace]

SB uptime

didnt have a person there to use intervene on 😦

[sweet summit]

ye sure

[lime urchin]

You are asking if people want 98% uptime on shield block?

[short apex]

weird flex

[jagged pier]

its over 5 mins very doable

[crimson furnace]

cool cool

[jagged pier]

what talents?

[crimson furnace]

i kinda like it

into the frey + heavy rep + BSC

[jagged pier]

makes sense but u really dont need HR

u get more use out of AM as u then get basically the effect of the wall as well

[crimson furnace]

i tried with punish as well to test this, but SS dint proc that much

as with devastator

so it was a fail

[jagged pier]

yer punish is less rage and less procs

its trash

[crimson furnace]

but it looks soo good on paper

then u play t

it sucks

u feel empty

[jagged pier]

nah its always been bad

deva is more procs so more rage

which is more DR

[crimson furnace]

yhea, the moment when u get 3 procs in a row

aaaaaaaaaah

the gods

have smiled upon me

[sand condor]

today is the day i get my last 18 done

i can feel it

[shrewd elm]

in the 9.1 PTR is Kyrian still our preferred covenant?

[median tulip]

Too early to say anything for certain. Some of the covenant legendaries are silly broken

[jagged pier]

Or they are working as intended, we dont know

[placid coral]

Anyone here done the Slime Serpent solo as Prot? I get to 40% with ilvl 212

Any tips?

[steep wraith]

Which boss?

[placid coral]

Domina

[steep wraith]

Get all the spiders out asap. Victory rush off them as you need.

[solid cairn]

i got it with 210 ilvl

just take all the spider and don't kill them togather so you can use VR to refill your hp

[errant timber]

I just did it last hour, 205 ilvl

the key is managing victory rush properly to use it as much as possible while killing adds

[craggy harness]

There's definitely no need for reprisal + bolster progging m council, right? Regular Wall/Bolster enough?

[sick sentinel]

sry newbie here..what is the best legendary for prot? my fury needs some change 😄

[inland raft]

Wall for raid reprisal m+ and can be used in most raid fights too if can use it without moving boss or killing someone

[placid coral]

Ah man what Leggo

What a legend at 205 ilvl

[errant timber]

used reprisal but not really useful

I think the wall would have been pretty good

also used bounding strike to e able to jump on every web of domina encounter and Rumbling earth for the stuns to domina's mobs

[north rampart]

Ittf vs ravager for a H sludge parse?

Got 74% on my 1st sludge kill need 1% more for the sweet sweet purple parse

[fathom spindle]

Might not be a Prot question per se.
But is Mag’har looking good now with the 10% reduced duration on poison/Disease atm?

Unsure what to go (currently Highmountain).

[still pagoda]

Go with what you fancy. Racials are really small in impact in 99.9% of situations

[fathom spindle]

Ngl Bullrush feels good, and i can cover enough distance for a charge.
Good with Reprisal 🤔

[still pagoda]

That 10% duration won't make or break your key or prog

[tame jasper]

I like my taurenstomp

[fathom spindle]

I’m just nitpicking here 😂
Since orcs look swell in plate armor.

Just finding excuses really

[still pagoda]

I'm playing belf female on every single character i make

Just as every toon was a goat girl before i went horde 1 year ago

[fathom spindle]

I have a hard time with Female Belf.
Feels like they run in High heels 😂

[solid cairn]

wanted to do a m orc and then i see the spaulder

[fathom spindle]

The shoulders are the best thing about them 😍

[young oasis]

Orcs are the only true horde race, everything else is just wrong

😃

[sudden fog]

Guys - i am trying to get better at tanking with my Prot Warrior, but i struggle to see when various harmful Dots are building up quite often. Is there a weak aura or similar that really highlights that? Sometime with all the chaos going on i don't really notice the little icons appearing in the top right of the screen telling me what buffs good and bad i have....

[sick sentinel]

Would it be worth goin for PoP trinket as prot?

[lofty widget]

i mean sure it does decent dmg, but you dont gain any tankiness from it

i personaly wouldnt play it

[sick sentinel]

Was thinkin of combining that and blood-splattered scale

What trinket would be a solid pick together with blood-splattered scale also

[lofty widget]

for m+?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[lofty widget]

emitter is a solid choice, spike, decanter, heraldry

[frosty ridge]

truth

[sweet summit]

pvp?

[golden zephyr]

Warriors seems good now ? 🙂

[solemn magnet]

They've always been good 🤔

[lime trail]

Do I get Reprisal to 225 or make Battlelord to get my foot in the door with PvP

Hmmmmmm

[blazing condor]

You can still bop niklaus stacks right?

[lime trail]

I think so, I know my partner (BrM) has something that can remove it so BoP should work too

[floral pewter]

simply learning which mobs do meaningful dots helps a lot. Gargons in HoA, deathwalkers in Hakkar wing of DOS, Stradama rain, maybe some others I'm not thinking of

but if you're using a unitframe mod to put your health bar closer to the center of the screen, it probably can also put debuffs by your health bar

eg, elvui does

[floral pewter]

the Al'ar trinket is great for push keys; it's nice knowing that when you're about to die you actually have ~50k hp left

if you don't need the defense, something like Phial or Decanter is fine

[blazing condor]

Sooo reprisal or wall for m sludge?

[sweet summit]

reprisal

charge on roar and stomp

you get giga high blocked hits

can reach 100% if u play well

[blazing condor]

Yeah thats what i was thinking

imma try that

thanks

Does that mean AM over bolster as well?

[sweet summit]

yar

[jagged pier]

shamless plug this might help you on how to use it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNrx_TNv1No&ab_channel=Jakeyplops

[blazing condor]

thanks a lot!

[sick sentinel]

do prot warriors use whirlwind at all?

[blazing condor]

nop

[jagged pier]

we can use it in torghast

[pastel wing]

Arms warrior is so much easier in torghast compared to my shadow priest. I'm only 207 ilvl but finished a tc6 with 14k currency and no deaths. At the end I decided to spawn the Tarragrue guy and he only does auto attacks so with the die by the sword powers you can't die to him. Unfortunately he had 213m hp and took 99% less damage.

[crisp dragon]

For Sire, what trinkets should I use

Kael + SLG 220
Kael + scale 226

[lavish oracle]

Depends on if you want another big defensive CD or consistent mitigation from verse

I'd probably go scale because having an extra CD for p3 is nice

[flat marten]

Has anyone messed around with korayn for M+ using the middle talent in the final row?

25% crit on pull seems nice

[ionic fern]

That's the default go-to for him.

For m+ atleast.

[flat marten]

oh, cool

I'd been using left-hand one

[floral pewter]

Pft, you quitter

Could've gotten the world first kill before 9.1 even goes live

[dull zodiac]

is using shield block on aoe a dps loss

if ur not concerned at all

with survivability

[ionic fern]

That's a weird question.
IN general yes - use that rage on Revenge.

[dull zodiac]

whys it weird

[ionic fern]

1)If you're not using defensives you're going to die
2)Why would it not be a DPS loss as a defensive ability on AoE?

[dull zodiac]

shield slam does more dmg with block afaik so i was wondering at howmany targets its a dps loss to keep spending rage on block

[ionic fern]

AoE is more than 3+ . 👀

[dull zodiac]

its just a question from someone that doesnt play prot that often

is there a good resource anyone explaining all this? how to max dps etc

icy veins is pretty barebones

[ionic fern]

Just spend all your Rage on Revenges and prioritize SS/TC for Rage generations

THat's about it.

[dull zodiac]

thank you

the rage gen of SS is so significant u would never rly stop using it on any amount of targets?

[ionic fern]

You need the Rage to use other abilities.

[dull zodiac]

yea sure makes sense

howmany targets on aoe u drop execute?

[blissful frost]

has anyone tried for the plauge fall mount

[ionic fern]

All of these questions are pretty quickly answered just by glancing over the damage of the abilities.
Check how much Revenge does.
Check how much Execute does.

MUltiply it by targets.

[dull zodiac]

well

execute can consume up to 40 rage

and its also not a fixed amount

the rage cost

i guess 5 targets and above?

[mighty valley]

depends if there's an important priority target

this all seems kinda academic

[dull zodiac]

lets jsut say there isnt a prio target

id just like to know when id be better of spamming revenge instead of execute ;P

[ionic fern]

I almost never execute on 3+ targets. 🤷

Just muscle memory for me tho.

[dull zodiac]

how does execute even work ? if it uses 40 rage it does the ful lamount of tool tip damage? if u use it at 20 it does exactly half of that?

like i dont rly know all this , and icy veins doesnt exactly say it either , so i just felt like asking

[mighty valley]

it's linear afaik

[dull zodiac]

thanks

[floral pewter]

in any situation where survival is remotely an issue, you should be at least keeping shield block on CD

30 rage every ~12 seconds isn't a big commitment; it's actually difficult to spend all your rage just on revenge and SB

IP is the rage dump, not SB

[mighty valley]

yeah the situations where you're trying to maximize aoe damage while not being hit are like... rare and also not important

[ionic fern]

"Up to 5.8k".

You will get 2x Revenges with that 40 Rage .

[sudden fog]

thanks man thats really helpful

[dull zodiac]

cheers boys

rly appreciate it

[languid mason]

wen is it viable to use into the fray instead of ravager

on certain dungeons or

[mighty valley]

there's no dungeon right now where I'd rather have ITF tbh

raid, sure

[strong forum]

Rule of thumb is: always ravager in m+

If you desperately need more block uptime, you can play ITF

But in general ravager is better threat, dmg and rage than ITF in m+

[errant timber]

Yes, did it with 205 prot war, using bounding strike and for the rest of rows the usual m+ talents. I used reprisal since it is my only legendary but it wasn't really useful

The key is about managing victory Rush by killing adds gradually so you can use it as many times as posible to maximize sustain

[deft crest]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/57986-shaman-warrior-class-changes-in-patch-91-build-38312/

[languid mason]

leech on blood splattered trinket is awesome az fuck at 220 ilvl

not the greatest but the addition is dope

extra stat

[vocal bison]

Nice, I’m jelly

[young oasis]

For SLG Mythic, Reprisal is go to, no questions asked?

since you can charge and intervenne as motherfucker

[vocal bison]

My scale is 216, have yet to get a 226 in vault or one to drop again since patch to upgrade to 220

[sturdy sable]

I ran it

[worldly onyx]

Is it worth to play with Seismic Reverberation instead of Reprisal just considering to push damage output as Prot Warrior in combination with "Best Served Cold" Talent? (for example boosting +14 / +15 keys)

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone know if the Sons of Hakkar are able to spawn on the trash leading up to Hakkar do they give more enemy forces %? Hit 100% count on a run last night when we should've been about .5% short going into dealer

[sturdy sable]

You probably pulled an extra crane

[floral pewter]

if you/your healer are geared and good enough to handle the loss of durability, sure, Seismic is a big damage increase

[worldly onyx]

nice! ty

[lavish oracle]

Depends on what you mean by worth, I suppose

[worldly onyx]

just considering damage ^^

[sick sentinel]

Nope, run ended at exactly 100% and I checked replay on the log. Got half a % somewhere

[sand steppe]

Just a general question for rage usage. Slowly progressing on M+ on a fresh prot warrior moving to 10 keys. Do you strictly use revenge procs only and dump most of your rage into SB and IP or also pump rage into non-procc revenges. Just figuring dumping into IP that’s not already capped will make my healers job easier

I read somewhere that you should not use revenge unless it’s procc’ed but I don’t know if that’s strictly bosses or if it applies to M+. Also using reprisal legendary

[deft sapphire]

nah you should be using revenge a lot for damage and threat on aoe

sb is much more important defensively than IP in most situations, so keep that in mind

[sand steppe]

I try to keep SB uptime as high as possible, just wasn’t sure if I should be prioritizing IP higher than I have been

[worldly onyx]

sometimes i feel like because i dont have much versatility i need to use IP to mitigate incoming magic damage -_-

[deft sapphire]

to mitigate incoming magic damage, kicks and use of CD (wall and sr) are much better than IP

[worldly onyx]

thats for sure so that's the reason why I sometimes get so much damage cause the kicks and CC are bad, need to work on that more jeah ^^

[deft sapphire]

IP is nice when you are flooded with rage with charges on reprisal etc, but the mitigation from it is not the best tbh

[worldly onyx]

but still better to go with double time and reprisal than shockwave CD reduction, overall right?

[deft sapphire]

if you are making use of the charges it can be

[worldly onyx]

jeah always ^^

[deft sapphire]

storm bolt is better in some cases as it gives you an extra disruption

kinda depends on the dungeon and your playstyle

[sand steppe]

In that same vein, if I’m looking for better mitigation to counter my lack of gear, would heavy repercussion be a good pick for M+ for SB uptime?

[deft sapphire]

nah heavy rep is kinda useless

[worldly onyx]

im chargeweaving like i can and intervene leap charge etc.

[deft sapphire]

for max sb uptime you will take bolster

bolster isn't always needed though and AM gives you more shield walls

so it depends on the dungeon

[worldly onyx]

AM with reprisal or bolster with "the wall" i guess?

[sand steppe]

I feel like as a 200 ilevel tank higher SB uptime increases my chance to push keys, but AM is really nice for fast avatar CD

[worldly onyx]

jeah Reprisal is helping a lot!

[real vine]

I main arms currently, but I'm thinking of trying prot. What is a good way to get a shield? My ilvl is about 213 currently.

[deft sapphire]

i would suggest playing reprisal and AM as much as you can, and getting used to using cds when you need

bolster isn't needed that often right now

[deft sapphire]

roll as prot spec in raid for a off hand token or in m+ and valor upgrade a shield

or pvp i guess

[real vine]

I don't have a shield at all currently

[deft sapphire]

just buy a cheap pvp one from the vendor to get yourself starter then

but you can change to prot loot spec while playing dps

and get a decent shield eventually

[sand steppe]

@deft sapphire thanks for the tips, I’ll keep going with AM and reprisal, maybe go to bolster if physical damage and SB uptime are a problem

[floral pewter]

WQ, mission table, or pvp vendor if you want to play prot by tomorrow

setting loot spec to prot and waiting for a raid, dungeon, or vault drop if you just want to try it at some point within a couple weeks or so

[knotty pewter]

is it worth replacing a 226 cube with a 200 sun king trinket?

[wanton condor]

for what kind of content?

prog: heart to save runs
farm: cube for deeps
m+: heart is just reliable imo

[pure sphinx]

Jw how good/bad is NF for prot warrior

for raid

[haughty sleet]

Very good

[pure sphinx]

ight

anyone else have input?

[wanton condor]

NF super gud

[sturdy sable]

Switched from venth to kyrian to NF and never looked back

[pure sphinx]

ight dope

[wanton condor]

I've done the world tour and NF is my favorite

[pure sphinx]

ight thanks 🙂

[inland raft]

I went necro to kyrian to nf to kyrian to nf and never changing again barring major redesigns to covenants

[wanton condor]

my general thoughts
Kyrian: Best in M+ on grevious/necrotic weeks by far, spear is really nifty to help get you a head start on kiting but can be kind of awkward as you have to decided if you burst with it or use it to kite later
NL: Big meh; can technically be good with the right teams but doesn't really feel like anything and while fleshcraft helps facetank a bit more it's not particularly amazing
Venthyr: Pretty decent in raid as it gives you part of an IP on execute but just there for parse chasing
NF: Absolutely ace, does everything you could want. Either snap aggro or big burst of HP and mastery via soulbinds, super extra kiting so you can run Crackling Thunder, KDs casters so they don't blast you, great ST, what more could you desire

[forest merlin]

So how bad is it to take punisher over devastator? Devastator is sooooo boring and nullifies what I liked about prot warrior all of bfa

[urban portal]

1 extra button=bad

id imagine its not that big

[forest merlin]

I’ve just read that numerically the extra shield slam procs come out to be better (which makes sense) but I can’t stand empty gcds so I’m just hoping it’s not so bad that I have to suck it up if I want to push

[calm whale]

Bolster worth it or just keep AM?

[mighty valley]

Honestly I have like... almost zero empty GCDs with devastator

[forest merlin]

Interesting. I find myself hitting the devastate button (which does nothing since I’m running devastator) at least once between each thunderclap

Maybe it’s a haste thing? Characters still fairly fresh 60

[mighty valley]

Maybe? What's your legendary? Wall gives more rage for revenge, and Reprisal gives bonus rage AND extra free revenges

So I just end up pressing revenge a whole lot

[forest merlin]

No leggo on him yet, waiting on the right torghast for reprisal. If I’m actively tanking a raid boss that’s only one free revenge and 20 rage every time I take over though which sounds like it would be back to empty gcds right after that

In m+ I’m sure I could leap or intervene out and charge back in since positioning is more lenient

[mighty valley]

I just use the wall in raids because I'm lazy but a lot of people here find it pretty easy to maximize reprisal in raids... there's no min range on intervene, for instance

A big part is getting more comfortable not using ignore pain when it's not particularly effective, since that's two entire revenges

[forest merlin]

I’ll have to try it in raid and see how it feels I reckon. So far I’m like 168 ilvl and have just been tanking keys way above my ilvl so every ignore pain is effective 😂

[sturdy sable]

My advice to people who complain about devastator being boring is make a custom macro that has the devastate icon but doesn't actually cast anything then spam that when youd normally cast devastate

[mighty valley]

uhhhhh yeah... you can get to 190+ just by doing the campaign lol

[sturdy sable]

While still being specced into devastator

[mighty valley]

I really didn't want to switch to devastator either because I really thought it would be boring and awkward feeling, but I don't miss the random button at all now

[sturdy sable]

The extra slam procs more then make up for it

[mighty valley]

There are a lot of times I don't even have the GCDs to hit TC even close to on cooldown

[forest merlin]

Yeah I’m like renown 20 almost where you get the gear. Just wasn’t sure that haste would affect the proc rate enough to be considerable

[sturdy sable]

Yeah and it gets even better with haste

Also @forest merlin you can roll the endless torghast till it's the one that drops reprisal and kill the 3rd floor boss for it

[forest merlin]

I actually do that kind of lol. I have a macro for devastateand cast heroic throw on shift and I just leave it there

[forest merlin]

I did not know that! Is it 100% drop?

[sturdy sable]

Yep

[forest merlin]

You’re the man

[lyric relic]

for a 20+ key, what food should I be using? is a feast ok? Or should I be doing haste? (Or vers?)

I’m not sure what consumes I should be changing. I swapped my ring enchants to vers to help a bit. But I’m not sure if haste is just also better defensively

[solemn magnet]

You prolly want vers food

And I only say that cuz I saw Plka start to eat a feast then switch to vers food doing a 24PF last night

[late ermine]

are warriors more tankie in m+ with reprisal than dh?

[bold linden]

Hi Guys i saw several MDI Teams fighting the First Boss in TOP and the Bosses did Not Port themselves away. What is the Trick in doing this?

[sinful depot]

When should I pop rallying cry during Mythic Council of blood for Dancing fever? Does it matter if you use rallying and then the whole raid jumps or pop rally in between the jumps? Or does it not matter at all

[frosty ridge]

should really plan it with your healers, they know best timings for them

[urban portal]

I got it boys

i got the mount with prot warrior

take impending victory and boundless stride

[urban portal]

DH isnt good because they are tanking

tanky

they just blow CDs then run like a bitch once their cds are over

[late ermine]

yeah I main a dh and I hate the run away thing

[frosty ridge]

kiting meta is not DH exclusive

[tame jasper]

And blizz still holds on it, kitibg a raid boss for 10% fu*** up all melees/tanks

[lavish oracle]

Eh, kiting tarragrue seems fine, it's a gimmick boss

[frosty ridge]

I think it's their idea of humor

1st boss though - so doesn't really matter. can do all sorts of wacky shit on 1st boss

[lavish oracle]

Or do you mean council add?

[sweet summit]

9.1 raid first boss

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it's a gimmick boss

It's fine

[frail wyvern]

I did it without either of these 😂

[mighty valley]

slime serpent was v easy, you can do it on heroic

[remote hawk]

Same lol